Thread 712659659

ATTENTION, SCUM!

YOU ARE IN DEFIANCE OF THE EMPEROR'S LAW

I wonder why did GW decide to suddenly start shilling Arbites

>>712659767
hasn't been done yet. real question is how the fuck did leagues of votann end up in mechanicus 2?

>>712659767
They probably saw their profit margins drop substantially recently after the years of pushing to woke shit and Fem-stodes as the pinnacle of shit.
Arbites are one of the most popular aspects of the lore with old school/ hardcore fans so I see it as trying to appeal to them again.

>>712659880
why not? votann are not playable just a "neutral" enemy faction, also fits because they are opportunistic fucks and a forge world/tomb world is juicy

>>712660041
Because they released like a wet fart in church. No one cares about the Votann.

>>712659659 (OP)
ATTENTION ORIGINAL POSTER, MULTIPLE THIRD-PARTY INDIVIDUALS HAVE REPORTED YOUR ACTIONS AS BEING FAGGY.

40K
is shit and gay

>>712659659 (OP)
ATTENTION CITIZEN: DIE.

>>712659884
Yes, lets assume its wokies and not Games Workshop putting everything into SPESSMARINES while largely ignoring every other faction. 40K has becoming...

STALE.
BORING.
GAY.

>>712659884
>They probably saw their profit margins drop substantially recently
GW is making more money than ever before

>>712661045
Anon, they are making a lot of money but that's not what I said. I said their profit margins have dropped substantially recently.

Reminder I called the Arbites in Rogue Trader being black months ago and nobody believed me.

>>712661268
>and nobody believed me
and thay'd be right, he isn't even black if you compare him to Idira, Sosiel or Seelah, brown at most

>>712661595
y owlcat love black people? Insane over-representation in all their games

>>712661754
paizo and GW agenda, please understand

>>712662084
Oh yeah?

>>712662240
Yeah.

>>712659659 (OP)
YOU BETRAYED THE LEX

>>712662240
do not shitpost with the retard, she just needed a hug
Do shitpost with the dark heresy one, because that one will be irredeemable

>>712662337
LEEEEEEEEEEEX

>>712660286
Not even GW did otherwise they wouldn't have launched with a schizo identity nobody cared about of dorfs IN SPESS, NASApunk and Starcraft Terrans (the irony).
In fact the only reason GW decided to reboot the Squats is to try copyright as much of the concept of spess dorfs as they can.

>>712662976
>to try copyright as much of the concept of spess dorfs as they can.
deep rock bros not like this...

How large are Catachans supposed to be, canonically?
I vaguely remember one of the books mentioning they're basically mini space marines but he looks like a normal buff humie here.
How exactly do Catachan comissars work? Do they get some Billy Herrington type to show the entire regiment who's the boss of this gym or do they send some unlucky guy who tries to pull some commissariat shit and ends up getting folded into a pretzel?

>>712662240
I had Argenta shoot her when she got all retarded with Demonodora

>>712663791
Let’s see here, Ogryn is in, Inquisitor is in, Junglebro is definitely in, knife ear is getting a bolt, Kroot is getting a bolt, and Nigurgeon is getting spaced.

>>712660041
I think that they are neat. They are certainly a better take on spesh dwarves than the og squats were.

>>712659659 (OP)
40k art is so shit now

>>712659659 (OP)
I get the feeling none of my friends are gonna be interested in picking Darktide back up when Arbites drops

Good

>>712664058
The inquisitor is your character

>>712661754
oh god the two nogs in WotR..

>>712661268
ekundayo in spess

>>712664548
Is it? I thought we were starting as an acolyte and then being promoted half way through?

>>712663791
They are basically Rambo/Schwarzie huge.

>>712663791
Commissars attached to Catachan regiments don't tend to have a long lifespan if they try the usual bullshit, often dying to Ork snipers or boobytraps.

>>712661240
so are you implying that they invested an ungodly amount of money into woke stuff somehow?

>>712665942
I'm not implying anything, I'm saying they invested a lot into woke and diversity trying to market WH40k to capture an audience that doesn't exist while alienating existing fans.

>>712663791
Catachans don't tolerate Commissar bullshit and WILL stage a normal commissar's death but if the Commissar is cool they'll fiercely defend them

>>712666091
you're actually implying one of two things, either what i said or that they aren't making as much money; you didn't disagree with someone saying GW was making more money than ever before, so you're saying what i said. alienating existing fans doesn't have any bearing in this conversation unless you think it's material to them losing money, which you already don't think they're doing.

>>712666318
You're not reading if you think I said they're not making as much money, again not what I said read again.
Their profit margins have lowered substantially because their investment into woke media has not been reciprocated.
So I'll say again in plain English, they are making a good amount of money but are investing a lot of that money into avenues that are not making a return while their existing fanbase is shouldering the cost of GWs investment adventurism into their new Woke inspired properties an example being the femtodes animation.

>>712659767
If you don't use things you can lose things

>>712659659 (OP)
Fasthark does it better

>>712666731
To iterate on this,
Think about it this way, their existing fans are returning to GW a flat amount just for the sake of argument the existing fanbase amount for $100million revenue
GW operating cost is $60million
GWs investments in their woke properties at around $20-30million
GW profit margin is $10million

Remove the woke investment adventurism and GWs profit margin increases to $20-$30million

So looking at this you can see that GWs overall revenue is not increasing or decreasing but their margin for profit changes based on poor managerial decisions.

Again the numbers are not actual this is a just an example in principle to show you what has been occurring within GW.

>>712667160
Not to mention modern capitalism saying
>It doesnt matter if you are making money, if you're not making MORE money than last year, you're failing

>>712659659 (OP)
Nig Lords are the coolest

>>712669030
NIGHT

>>712663791
Catachans are Stallone/Schwarzenegger huge, and it's speculated they have already evolved into a type of abhuman through natural selection that some call them Baby Ogryns, though never to their faces unless they want their heads popped between biceps. Of course, they are much smarter and sharper than Ogryns, especially when they come from a death world where everything is trying to kill you.
Average commissars attached to Catachan regiments tend to get fragged unless they wise up and earn their place.

>>712669030
author's pets. Iron Warriors clear them

>>712669030
They literally cannot be anything but corpse pale central/eastern Europeans.

>>712669325
>author's pets
>posts Perturabo's based boys
I like them both but don't pretend Perturabo doesn't have a bunch of 'main character' moments especially with other Primarchs. He honestly deserves them though. For the record the Eighth wouldn't play soldiers with you in the mud so you wouldn't 'clear' anything.

>>712669984
your dudes can just spit at Abbadon's face becaus ethey are so craycray and like they are a bit sad when they rip people's skin so it's ok. They are sucked off by ADB. IW got cool moments because they actually think and adapt

>>712661754
>Kingmaker had 1
>Wotr had 2
>Rogue Trader will have 2
>Dark heresy so far only 1
That is on par with most other western rpgs

Fulgrim before his corruption is my favourite Primarch, he didn't let working in the mines destroy his soul and love for humanity.
He wanted to raise up humanity, not through fire but through diplomacy, it's very tragic he killed his most beloved brother Ferrus Manus is forever going to kill me

>>712670159
>Iron Autist complaining about a Night Lord (1) talking shit to Abbadon and getting shot
Ok grease monkey, why don't you talk about how Pert beat up Fulgrim with a surprise attack (lmao) and beat up Angron with facts and logic. All this stuff sounds dumb if taken out of context. Also
>bit sad when they rip people's skin so it's ok
Compared to a group whose main grievance is not being told what good boys they are and how much better they are then their cousins? Yeah I'll stick to skinning people while listening to Type O Negative

>>712670793
>favourite before his corruption

>>712670665
Mass Effect 1 and 3 had none, Dragon Age 1 and 2 had none, Fallout New Vegas has none. (Technically Deam Domino but he's a ghoul).

>>712661754
>one or two per game is "insane overrepresentation"

>>712670793
He was bound to fuck up. He saw so many wives dying of old age he was more and more detached off humanity

>>712670837
The IW proved they were the workhorses of both sides with the likes of Barbaras Dantioch. Perty used science to defeat reddit's favorite fuckup and that was cool. Also reminder Perturabo was secretly proud of the warriors who refused his order to glass Olympia, he and his sons have a lot more complexities than the night lords being cartels in space. Their tragedy is how their suffering and grievance are self inflected, perturabo telling Horus to fuck off was his biggest victory meanwhile your daddy is insulted by Sevatar the only competent leader of not trying anything else than skinning people

>>712667160
>>712666091
Games Workshop

>Y/E 31/05/2020
>Revenue: £269.7m
>Profit Before Tax: £89.4m

>Y/E 30/05/2021
>Revenue: £369.5m
>Profit Before Tax: £150.9m

>Y/E 29/05/2022
>Revenue: £414.8m
>Profit Before Tax: £156.5m

>Y/E 28/05/2023
>Revenue: £470.8m
>Profit Before Tax: £160.6m

>Y/E 02/06/2024
>Revenue: £525.7m
>Profit Before Tax: £203m

>Y/E 2025 (company estimates)
>Revenue: Not less than £560m
>Profit Before Tax: Not less than £255m

>Owlcat dropped hints for future Black Crusade and Only War games
I would actually be quite excited for those, especially Only War, if only to see how they'd pull it off. Helldivers 2 has certainly proven that there's demand for an expendable grunt simulator.

>>712671510
>Profits before tax

>Arbites is largely inspired by Judge Dredd
>Darktide gets the Arbites
>Rogue Trader gets the Arbites
>Helldivers 2 gets Judge Dredd-themed armor
>All in the same general window
It's a sign from God.

>>712671582
Owlcat is a CRPG dev and not an action game dev, so Helldivers wouldn't be a good comparison.
Hopefully Only War will scratch the XCOM itch and let you make your own expendable Guardsmen team over preset characters.

>>712671684
It's a better way of measuring company performance than profits-after-tax since taxes can change.

>>712671768
>Dredd was 12 years ago
It hurts.

>>712671789
>Hopefully Only War will scratch the XCOM itch and let you make your own expendable Guardsmen team over preset characters.
That's what I meant. I know they are an RPG studio. My point what that lots of people enjoyed being cannon fodder instead of invincible heroes.

>>712671891
>That rare feeling when movie hooks you within the first minute
It was peak.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=venVgu1do2M

>>712671789
>not an action game dev
Soon™

>>712672362
First game from them that I'll skip.

>>712659659 (OP)
I like the fact that the Arbites characters in Darktide are NOT rejects. Looking forward to the seething dialog about being forced to work with convicts.

>>712670942
Perfection is an ideal we should all strive towards.

>>712672557
https://youtu.be/pw_GN3v-0Ls

>>712671240
yea

>>712659659 (OP)
you're in defiance of copyright law

>>712672668
Xenos, you speak of perfection as if it were a chain, a futile dream to bind the spirit. Yet you misunderstand its nature, for you lack the vision to see beyond your own wretched existence. Perfection is not a destination to be reached and held, but a fire that burns within, driving us to transcend the mundane, to carve beauty and mastery from the raw clay of reality.
Look upon me—do you see frailty? My form, my blade, my very will are forged in the crucible of the Emperor’s design, each step a testament to the pursuit of the sublime. Humanity, under His guidance, strides toward apotheosis, and I am its exemplar. To claim perfection impossible is to admit your own kind’s failure, to wallow in the stagnation of a species too weak to dream beyond survival.
Your words betray your fear—of being surpassed, of witnessing a galaxy remade in the image of mankind’s glory. Perfection is the ideal that sharpens our swords, that paints our banners, that lifts our souls. It is the spark of the divine within us, and though we may falter, we never cease to strive. That is what separates us from you, xenos. Where you see impossibility, I see purpose. Where you cower, I create.
Speak no more of limits, for I am Fulgrim, the Phoenician, and I will not suffer the prattle of those who cannot even glimpse the heights.

>>712672752
You joke, but I'm genuinely surprised that the Arbites weren't squatted years ago given GWs track record.

>>712671469
Again, I actually like the Iron Warriors as well and your defence of them is all accurate and cool. Your discrediting of the Night Lords is completely your subjective view of them, they absolutely have complexities with the dichotomy of justice and murder and how they all hate each other but have nothing else in existence. You referenced the Talos earlier but have you actually read the trilogy? You cannot walk away from it thinking Night Lords are not complex, they are borderline schizophrenic.
>Their tragedy is how their suffering and grievance are self inflected
Arguably the same for Curze and the Night Lords.
>Sevatar
If you seriously read that as some epic own by Sevatar and not an illustration of the vast depths that separate a god like being from his proverbial angels then you really need to re-read it without the Olympian stick up your ass. The tragedy comes in with Curze not believing another way would work so why waste the time to do it, Sevatar wishes history was different yet his perspective no matter how based is frankly irrelevant. I am not saying Curze was 100% right but to imply that Nostramo wouldn't be tamed without his methods is laughably naïve, keeping it tame is a separate issue and one that was torn away when the Emperor arrived. Curze didn't spend his time in power simply skinning people, he did reform the entire world but it was never finished and never enough.
>only competent leader
Learn the lore of the Night Lords, unless you have already and somehow missed Russian Sun Tzu.

>>712672884
Projected calories spending exceeding the benefit, ignoring the creature. Stench of makeup and foreign plastic in the nether region. Must find out what are the "strange things" this one does to his warriors

>>712673327
Xenos, your words are a cacophony of filth, a desperate scrabbling from a mind too feeble to comprehend the divine artistry of mankind’s ascent. You speak of calories and stench, reducing the sublime to the gutters of your own degraded existence. Do you think to wound me with such barbaric prattle? I am Fulgrim, the Illuminator, crafted by the Emperor’s hand to embody the pinnacle of human potential. My presence is a symphony of perfection—every gesture a brushstroke, every word a note in the anthem of our species’ glory.
You dare insinuate corruption in the bond between me and my warriors? The Emperor’s Children are my pride, each a living testament to discipline, artistry, and martial supremacy. We forge beauty in the crucible of war, our blades dancing to the rhythm of the Emperor’s vision. Your insinuations of “strange things” are but the fevered imaginings of a creature too alien to understand loyalty, brotherhood, or the pursuit of excellence. My legion is a canvas of perfection, and I am its master painter.
As for your crude fixation on scent and substance, you mistake refinement for weakness. The adornments of my court, the elegance of our craft, are not mere vanity but the outward expression of an inner ideal—a harmony of form and purpose that your kind could never fathom. While you skulk in the shadows, sniffing at shadows, we stride boldly toward apotheosis, sculpting a galaxy worthy of the Emperor’s dream.
Begone, wretch, and take your foul musings with you. I have no more time for a creature whose very existence offends the purity of this universe. My warriors and I have wars to win, worlds to illuminate, and a legacy to etch in the stars. Crawl back to your void, and ponder the futility of challenging those who carry the light of perfection.

>>712672951
Brutal space cops makes sense for a despotic space empire, unlike spess dorfs who existed for the sake of recycling a fantasy race in spess then deciding they weren't grimdark enough, only to bring them back for copyright lawfare after a certain reddit and stone game made spess dorfs popular.

>>712659767
Because they recently released the Imperial Agents Codex for 10th edition and saw an opportunity for brand synergy.

>>712673769
Strange mean of communication. Evokes concepts yet does not apply any. Logic isn't the main motor only the stillness of the moment. Quest irrelevant, evolution isn't the goal, astonishment.

>>712659767

They released a KillTeam box of Arbites miniatures and they sold extremely well. That's when GW remembered the popularity Arbites has.

"This place is a disease. This city. The filth, the sick, the perverse. I clean it up. I'm a cleaner. I like that. One day, the dirt will get me. Until then, I sweep it away. It's His work. When you say "His Hand", I know you don't mean it. I mean it. I do His work. When the bullet gets me, I'll be right up there, by His Throne. You'll be screaming in the void. I'll be in the light of the Throne."

- Sanctioner sergeant Draj of the Adeptus Arbites on the city of Varangantua. Bloodlines by Chris Wraight

Did fatshark add more hairstyles that dont look like fucking shit yet

>>712672536
While this opens up the avenue for more classes that aren't forced to start as criminal Rejects, I'm not sure how far they can really go in terms of Imperial subfactions
>Mechanicus Techpriest/Skitarius
Seems like the logical choice for the next class, can be a pet class with servitor/turret summons
>Squats/Votann
Another easy choice since they can just reskin Bardin, though they'd have to justify how and why nu-Squats decided to work with the Inquisition.
>Sororitas
Basically the Zealot, but better and forced to be fema- Body Type B(tm), what would be the point? Will also be butt ass ugly with the game's character models.
>Death Cult Assassins
The Zealot's stealth path except overspecialized and wearing gimp suits
>Navigators/Astropaths
Potential psyker sidegrades, but less combat focused so game design will be an issue
>Sisters of Silence/Officio Assassinatorum/Space Marines/Custardes
Too overpowered
This leaves us with other abhumans and hive scum, which would put us back into Rejects territory.

>>712659659 (OP)
How did helldivers beat darktide to it in the same month?

>>712677297
>Darktide fucking up the Krieg cosmetics
An easy opportunity to rope me in and you blew up.

>>712677783
The price was crazy too, more then I paid for the base game for 4 skins.

>>712669030
Whats up with his helmet, that looks corrupted. That is not the way of the VIIIth

>>712659659 (OP)
>

>>712659767
gotta start selling those imperial agents combat patrols

>>712676601
a seasoned techpriest would probably be to strong
its why we have a "zealot" and not a sororitas member or someone higher up in the ordes
assassins would also be to strong

>>712679879
Techpriests have a hierarchy, it's not like the playable Techpriest needs to be a senior priest like Hadron, especially one who has replaced most of his body with cybernetics and looks more like a snake/spider. A junior Techpriest with just a few replacement limbs and servo arm would be enough, and that would also make it easier for the lazy sw*de devs to reuse animation and cosmetic rigs.

>>712659767
I don't know, but I quit RT after baton-fucking the brown butch woman who was the head of my security.

>>712672557
>>712672884
>>712673327
>>712673769
I liked this exchange, good job to the both of you.

My commissar is going to blam Idira and Marzipan then meditate next to Yrliet.

Seriously though they gotta rework the origin so it can compare in any way to crime lord.

>>712682641
Idira is more innocent and less dangerous than Yrliet

>>712683714
>less dangerous
in lore idira is probably one of the most dangerous things on the ship. honestly the rt is lucky that the warp breach she causes only has a few of those midget tzeentch fuckers get summoned and some zombies iirc, it could have and probably would have gone way worse if it wasn't a video game. i still take her along because she's one of my favorite companions but she is just totally utterly fucked as an unsanctioned psyker. like if she was in fantasy she would at least have a chance as a fugitive witch, in 40k theres just no making it for her, she either puts on a deldar device that kills her soul or dies young from some inevitable freak warp accident.

>>712661268
>nobody believed me
Because your a brainwashed schizo

>>712683714
Yeah but I kept her around my last two runs so gotta cull the party size for my Dogmatic xenofucker run. Jae's not even gonna make it off Footfall.

>>712684091
It's probably not something the writers thought of but Edge of Daybreak being active in the region is fucking up the ability for other shit to use Idira as a host. Heck if you ask her to look at the future it comes in and tells her to stop looking.

>>712666935
Wrong

>>712671240
i don't want any

are custodes still trannies?

>>712670665
>>Rogue Trader will have 2
Solomourn isn't black
>>Dark heresy so far only 1
Looks more like a poo, than a nigger

>>712672107
Fuck, now I have to watch it again.

>>712686109
Always have been.

>>712669325
That's not fair, IW clear everyone.

I hate 40k troons more than xitter poster

>>712659659 (OP)
Betternthan usual aside from the visor section. Coward student imagination glorifies the shit soldiers are to shoot. Catholic stupidity, inquisition etc. Man isn't to become so corrupt such shit is allowed on side. It's unacceptable now. All you pushed aside is natural, giving you attention is seeing you targeted. You get out of the way easy enough, to save yourselves rather than serve greatness.

>>712677783
>tries to hock off discount Steel Legion as the Krieggers

God I hope the Trazyn DLC gives a heretic friendly companion like an ancient Valancius noblewoman. I really want to do a Ministorum Priest Officer Vanguard with psychic awakening pyromancer heretic run and murder everything with the chaos sword.

How come GW never puts out black ogryn?

>>712679879
Just have a Skitarius or jumped-up Admech menial, then.

>>712659659 (OP)
I reached havoc clearance level 25 and got the notification for the lower body cosmetic but it isn't in my inventory. Is it bugged or do I get it with the weekly chest? Can anyone help

good nightlord books?

>>712689373
That's racist.

>>712659767
Trump won and with crime scaring everyone, cops are popular again.

>>712686028
tough noogies, you gotta compromise like everyone else.

>>712659767
Because they woke up one day and realised several video game properties wanted to add content and GW wants to sell miniatures.
If you think it's to do with politics, especially foreign politics happening on another continent, think again.

>>712686028
This.
>>712697075
>if I have to compromise and have a game with a black person in it
>then you do too
Why not neither?

>>712697181
>he believes this when they added female custodes
lol. lmao even.

>>712674645
T-thanks, doc?

>>712672557
Why is the emperor slaying custodes in this artwork?

>>712674707
It was not exactly arbites was it? They went as far to label the killteam as "extraction squad".

>>712674426
Now that's a fucking cover.

>>712698764
Is that guy ordo malleus?

>>712697638
Your point?

>>712662976
Realistically the failings of the Votann line are just a symptom of modern GW design methodology and sensibility. Which is have modellers make whatever the fuck they want after being given a few keywords, and then suits pick which of the designs they think will sell. Then the poor fucks in the rules/lore department have to figure out how to tie it all together. Contrast this with the Squats in Necromunda which were designed by someone who gave actual thought to their setting and lore and designed around that. They even put in Exo Suits and Trikes which everyone loves. All this whilst also managing to distance themselves from being associated with the loathed Votann bullshit lorewise to boot.

>>712672954
>*CLANK* *WHIRRING AUTOCANNON* I HEARD BOLTER FIRE

>>712690975
frankly i think a servitor would make more sense and fir the more ragtag setting of darktide

>>712659659 (OP)
Can I run darktide on a rog ally z1 at medium settings?

>>712699590
It has to something do with politics, retard

>nobles regularly have orgies that makes Epstein looks like a celibate saint
Remind me why haven't they purge every nobles?

>>712699989
Most combat servitors don't even have legs. They move on treads like tanks.

>>712700031
because they pay their tithes and that's what matters to the imperium at large

>>712700031
Because they help facilitate paying the tithe on time.

>>712700031
As long as they are doing their job and also not falling to Slaanesh upper management doesn't care what they do. In fact they sometimes prefer to have this sort of blackmail material on them to keep them in line easier.

I’m still baffled how space marine armor never had Samurai, Chinese, Native American, or Slavic inspired armors

>>712690975
Nah, just put in a low-ranking engineer or admech neophyte who's just sick of all the tech blasphemy going on
>>712700031
It's not really regular and is the reason why most planets aren't active warzones or demon worlds. Only the most entrenched and decadent of noble houses have this problem because otherwise, they're too busy actually administering their world or fending off rival houses that would immediately take advantage of such weakness.

>>712700030
You're right anon, the police faction is being advertised because the world government is about to stamp on our faces with boots we will lick.

The only politics is how half the range on the webstore are painted black, owlcat's arbiter is black and vermintide with guns is woke all the way down.

>>712700481
cool picture, where is it from?

>>712700481
Didn’t they technically pass that on to the Guardsmen?

>>712700031
Because in the grimderpness of the 42nd Millennium, there is no justice and everything is so shit you start to wonder how the entire setting doesn't fall apart under the weight of it all.

>>712700031
>why doesn't the imperium get rid of morally bad people
if you do your job as a governor and aren't actually worshipping daemons i don't think they'd care if you threw 1000 babies in a woodchipper every single day just for fun

>>712700732
Found it on Twitter

>>712700624
unironically that was my first thought when i saw helldivers, rogue trader and darktide all adding judge dredds
it wont happen though

>>712700031
they only give a shit if you start sprouting tentacles and worshipping slaaanesh. as long as the tithe comes in and they don't suspect you of aforementioned chaos corruption you can do whatever the fuck you want on your bumfuck nowhere planet

>>712659659 (OP)
The default armor of darktide arbites looks better than most premium cosmetics of the rejects. Great.

>>712700860
So it's an artwork by Andrey Simakov, cool art though.

>>712701002
they're gonna add faces that don't look like meth addicts one day right...

>>712700481
>Samurai
Worthless anachronism in history
>Chinese
White Scars
>Native American
Deathwing, originally, not today
>Slavic
Literally who?

The Guard has an example of Persian Immortals and had buyable guard of two kinds of Russian, Tsarist and winterised Soviet.

>inspired armors
Oh, sorry, you wanted space marines to look different? We lost the beakies so we don't even have any VAGUELY Mediaeval themed ones. And before you say we have vikings, go back and look at the Space Wolves closely. There's nothing viking about them. They're just wearing default armour, covered in furs with optional otherkin helmets.

>>712659659 (OP)
>>712667041
>still no bots for darktide

>>712701120
hope they keep them all as uggos. wouldn't want gooners and coomers to make 40k into ffxiv.

>>712701265
they should add anime girl squats who just sit on the side of the map selection jerking off

>>712700903
shrug
I think helldivers was always going to have a police battlepass because "dey's fashist" and much like movies, you get the same theme running down the pipeline in multiple places.
As a Dredd fan I'm very unimpressed.

>>712701156
I just want some different helmets.

>>712701381
>they should add anime girls who jerk off
Unironically gay

>>712701464
No. This is a tabletop franchise, secondary retard. Think about what having different armors and helmets for each chapter would mean in terms of production, sales and profits.

>>712701225
You cant play solo with bots who use your load out like VT2?

>>712700737
Yeah, that token diversity used to be far more encouraged in older editions of 40k, before streamlining it somewhat. But it still technically is with 30k's Imperialis Militia being so much more freeform with modelling opportunities.

>>712701381
You should unironically kill yourself.

>>712701569
Oh no not variety

>>712673974
>only to bring them back for copyright lawfare after a certain reddit and stone game made spess dorfs popular
This basically ensures DRG can never get a sequel without immediately being deepfucked by GW lawyers huh

>>712701464
Your options are
>official models
>official upgrade kits
>third party head kits
>greenstuff
https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/plp?search=upgrades

As you are not into the hobby, you should start with normal "beginner" models and learn if you like painting them before dropping money on armies, recasts, prints or otherwise.

>>712660286
Votann are my second-favorite faction behind Necrons

>>712662976
>NASApunk
Only like one vehicle can be accused of this, and none of their actual units

>>712701925
The book about votann sucked balls.

>>712659880
They have no other media, so they need to start somewhere, and they fit in well as dudes trying to salvage tech. James wants them to be rivals to admech as they have similar but competing goals

>>712699695
>modellers model
>suits pick what sells
>writers write
>this is a terrible
Anon, this is how it's always been. The lore has always been made up on the spot.
The difference is, and a symptom of why Votann suck, is... image related. Their current modellers are shit. They gave Guard kneepads, round sentinels and a fat woman eyeing the buffet as a general.

Their older, shittier models had heart.

I would also say the suits don't pick what sells - unless they're not selling to their country's population and instead are selling to investors who want half the range to be fugly, African and women.

>>712700481
Allegedly the world eaters looked like gladiators but I'm not seeing it
Also what the fuck is the dornian heresy

>>712701925
>>712702287
>a female dwarf is their leader chosen by the AI
Fuck you retards for liking such a shitty faction

>>712702081
>>712702370
Never read it, I just play them in Kill Team and like dwarves and robots

>>712702337
>Also what the fuck is the dornian heresy
Swap AU fan fiction.

>>712702370
>muh wahman are bad

>>712702337
Pretty sure those are relics of the Great Crusade era when the Primarchs were around and had enough clout to bully the Mechanicum into building custom shit for their troops.

>>712702491
Yes

>>712702486
Loyalist World Eaters sounds kino but of course they had to rewrite theme. Me sad.

>>712702491
you're absolutely retarded since you dont get the point. the lore for the votann is that they're artificially made biological beings who are shat out by their ancestor AI machines. This by itself implies that there is no purpose of genders or biological sexes and yet they have it for "reasons". Fuck you.

>>712698512
it was exactly arbites
>It is the responsibility of the Adeptus Arbites to enforce Imperial law. Exaction Squads are formed from the most highly skilled and experienced Arbitrators. They are tasked with hunting down and securing the most heinous of criminals, returning them alive to face the full extent of the Emperor’s justice.

Arr-Bites

>>712703674
Ar-bee-tees

>>712700481
Because it's a british franchise. Go play japanese game if you want your samurai weaboo crap.

>>712701464
The Space Wolves have wolf helms but people seem to not like them.

>>712703931
>he doesn't know about the tau crisis suits.

>>712702601
They would just be War Hounds. And it would probably be a universe where Big E came before Angron got the nails and didn’t just teleport him on the shit and let his friends get slaughtered.

>>712704067
>weeaboo crap:
>underage girls defending planet earth from giant ants in mecha whose power is over 9000
>the developer wants to fuck the girls, the fans want to fuck the girls, your parents disapprove of your life choices
>40K:
>ugly adults who are blown up in seconds by giant gunlines, some of which are in slow moving metal suits
>your unpainted t'au army has prevented your girlfriend from getting pregnant
>your parents still disapprove of your life choices

>>712700481
There's an official samurai inspired chapter (Emperor's Shadows) but they're still a background chapter so they don't get any unique art or models

>>712659659 (OP)
Darktide base classes:
>human FPS protagonist
>human. FPS protagonist but melee
>fucking space wizard who could use lightning, fire and shit
>huge ogre who can smack the shit out of everything

Darktide DLC class:
>human FPS protagonist but cop

What the fuck? They were on the right track with psyker and ogryn but why the hell did they cheap out and do something so lame?

>>712702735
That's not their lore entirely and is missing a key detail. Try again.

>>712704752
What's your reductive take on the cyber-mastiff?

>>712705175
did you watch the gameplay? The doesn't even do much and it would fare even worse in havoc.

>>712705302
>The doesn't
The dog* doesn't

>>712703931
>British franchise borrowing from all of earth for the chapters, guardsmen, and vehicles based on all of earth cultures

>>712703931
>white scars are British

>>712705529
I'd also add that the 40k setting itself is basically the Fall of Rome IN SPACE.

>>712702316
No, before they outlined the faction or unit aesthetics and lore prior to the modelling step. Hence why shit was more cohesive. They weren't just being handed some signed off model unrelated to the process and told to shove it in somewhere. It is ass backwards compared to how they used to design new stuff.

>>712701265
This
I like it way better when the rejects look like rejects and not like supermodels for no reason.
also keeps gooners at bay

>>712704752
ratling snipers wouldn't work that well in this kind of game

>>712704752
fucking retards at fatshark should've teamed up with the mechanicus team instead of owlcat to give us a cyborg class.

>>712706502
They confirmed that the arbites are not going to be rejects thougheverbeit.

>helldivers gets a dredd warbond
>dark tide puts in a dredd class
Dredd bros are we back? Will we get a sequel to the 2012 masterpiece?

>>712705357
>>712705302
>The dog doesn't even do much and it would fare even worse in havoc.
In fairness Fatshark gameplay can make even the duelling sword look useless. I doubt what they showed has any bearing on what actual Arbites gameplay is going to look like, dog included

The dog could very well be 'knives that don't take up a grenade slot' for all we know

Why don't they just fly over the great rift?

>>712708085
Because unless you wanna slowboat it at sublight and take 1000 years to get anywhere you have to make a warp jump, and the warp doesnt obey normal spatial dimensions. The tiny few gaps that exist in the rift like the nachmund gauntlet are the only safe warp passages through, no ifs or buts about it.

>>712701569
It would mean GW gets to sell even more overpriced upgrade sprues

>>712708347
But you never hear about that Hadex Anomaly impacting warp travel near Baal. Why would distance matter?

>>712702316
what's wrong with the commissar

>>712708413
GW can't even keep up with their existing production most of the time. They would have no hope trying to add so many SKUs.

>>712708538
he monke

>>712708025
What's so great about the dueling sword.

>>712708715
It's good.

>>712659659 (OP)
I wouldn't play this game but I admit it's kinda tempting

>>712708025
>The dog could very well be 'knives that don't take up a grenade slot' for all we know
I've played the game long enough to know that it doesn't matter. The AI director would simply spawn 8 disablers instead of 7 taking the dog into account. Also, the knife is instantaneous and can be quickfired whereas the dog needs time to move and pounce on the one enemy at a time then maul him to death.

Anyway I'm skeptical about the new class being good but I'll withhold judgement till release.

>>712705148
NTA but I do think they missed a beat by not playing on the trope of female dwarves looking like males and nobody being able to tell them apart by making all the Votann classic beardy dwarves but saying they are really bizarre genetical crafted monstrosities that defy gender classification.
Guess that would have also made some people mad too though...

>>712708715
>great innate finesse multiplier
>mobility to match the knife
>massive damage-boosting blessings through Precog+Riposte (due to the way crit% and finesse modifiers stack multiplicitively) or Thrust+Uncanny to one-hit kill Elites
Duelling sword is literally the best weapon on any class that can use it, it's top tier against elites and bosses which spawn constantly in ADs and Havoc, and safer than pretty much anything the human classes can use because of how strong mobility is defensively and offensively. It's only downside is that it's horde control is below average, which you make up for anyway by just juking crowds with your mobility

The only reason you wouldn't take it is either sandbagging (because it's so easy) or particular build niches (ie. Thunder Hammer).

>>712708715
It's the most overpowered melee weapon by far. Dueling sword has some of the strongest weakpoint crit damage that executes in relatively fast thrusts, so 1 or 2 headshots can kill most enemies in the game. It has other useful features such as a very fast stab special attack that can stagger every enemy unit barring bosses on a headshot, and the Uncanny Strike blessing, which basically lets you ignore armor and due to how blessings work, also applies to DoTs, so for example a veteran's shredder grenades do a lot more bleed damage to enemies just by having the blessing active. It also has mobility rivaling the knife and decent hordeclear light attacks. In the hands of the psyker when it was exclusive, it was balanced by the psyker being squishy when focusing on a crit build, but that's less of an issue with the vet and zealot.

>>712709231
even the book draws allusion of their civilization to the tyrannids. Plenty of things didn't make any sense about the votann and the writer just chalks them up to "uhh who knows what the ancestors are cooking". It's so lazy and bad.

bump

>>712693571
Collect it from the penance stall.

>>712659659 (OP)
Is this a dartktide thread or a rogue trader thread

>>712660286
I really would like to understand the logic from GW of making the Votann a faction instead of Skaven which are way more popular in the warhammer setting.

>>712712781
yes

>>712705175
I dond dog

>>712659767
Because they are running out of things to shills

>>712713036
Squats have existed since early 40K and were a faction back then until they got “squated”
Votanns are essentially that so it makes sense to bring them back for that tradition
It’s also why they have genestealers

They probably aren’t gonna do space rats because skaven are the most unique thing about fantasy

I am gonna be honest lads, i am not hyped for Dark Heresy. Rogue Trader is still a buggy pos with a missing chapter and a story that shits itself after act 2. Full va and (if) gw forced them to release the game early like RT makes me worried

Which one of the dark gods doest thou follow, /v/?

>>712713036
>skaven
But that's the Imperium

>>712716620
Khorne. I"ve been angry at everything my whole life.

>>712713036
Ratmen would be a beastman sub-faction, which getting large enough to rival Imperium would be unlikely, also humans and Tyranids already fill most of the niches Skaven would belong to.

>>712716620
Tzeentch because Knowledge is power

>>712659659 (OP)
why did Alfabusa and rest of the team trooned out?
was it Jojo?

>>712679398
Unironically a decent start for a 3rd edition Witch Hunters army. Just needs an Inquisitor.
>>712699407
It's Coteaz

>>712700031
For the same reason the irl counterparts haven't been purged.

>>712717986
>Coteaz
Was there ever a named radical inquisitor model after Eisenhorn?

>>712718035
Their degenerate elites pay taxes in conscripts and weapons that keep humanity from being destroyed by hostile aliens and heretics, ours just parasitize humanity's efforts and conscript plebs to die in each others' gay wars.

>>712718148
Draxus, Cartavolnus and Ostromandeus

>>712669030
>>712669325
Night Lords are 100 times more interesting than "ahah iron within iron without!"

>>712718328
>Cartavolnus and Ostromandeus
How are these two radicals?

>>712718465
>Do nothing but raid backwater planets and defenseless civilian ships
>Cry about being the laughing stock among traitor spes mareens
How is that interesting?

>>712718738
I don't know what you mean by radicals.
>Ostromandeus
This guy also has no lore since Gwendolyn doesn't care

>>712659659 (OP)
>discount judge Dredd
Yawn.

>>712719000
There are 2 extreme parties in the Inquisition (regardless of the ordo) radicals and puritans. Radicals often employ xeno technologies and sorceries of the enemy, fighting fire with fire so to speak whereas puritans don't do such things and condemn radicals as heretics in the worst case.

>Sharttide
>Slop Trader
Yawn

>>712719403
damn you're so cool, tell us your good games

>>712719574
fortnite

>>712719785
Based and better game pilled

>>712667041
nigga it's literally the same artist

>>712701661
It's insane that FS doesn't let arbites class have a heavy stubber or any heavy ranged riot control gear. Sucks that they want arbites to be purely melee class.

>>712720109
You can always take the reload aura and pretend you're playing cawadooty as a discount vet

>>712720109
Is the bolter not enough?

>>712720109
>Sucks that they want arbites to be purely melee class.
But it's not. One of the skill trees is for ranged, mainly focused on shotguns. And DT shotguns are basically medium-ranged.

>>712670665
I was about to say King Maker had two, but I forgot the other one was a half-orc.

>>712720251
I want to play as a heavy weapons cop. Not just as a discount veteran.

>>712720289
No. Belt fed stubber would feed much better than a paltry 15 bullet mag bolter

>>712720327
>shotguns
Every shotgun in the game other than the double barrel on vet fucking sucks.

>>712700481
Slav helmets are literally just north germanic helmets but slightly more conical unless you go really far back and get just a silly cone helmet.

>>712720618
>Every shotgun in the game other than the double barrel on vet fucking sucks.
And they're all getting buffed.

>>712720618
btw arbites fielding heavy weapons is lore accurate. FS is just lazy that they simply wanted to recycle existing stuff and upsell it for a profit.

>>712720723
>*getting buffed*
>meanwhile, the sedition gameplay of arbites shows shotgun needing 2 shots to kill literal chaff
lol

>>712720807
They are getting buffed. Can you stop shadow boxing some retarded shit I never said?

>>712704752
zealot can throw out miracles every 30 seconds everyone should be dropping to their knees at the arrival of a new living saint

>>712720867
That's just one ability though. The others are just the zealot zooming around and the other is them going invisible for 10 seconds. It's not that impressive.

>>712659880
>leagues of votann
>in mechanicus 2
That's a no buy from me then. Into the trash it goes.

>>712720827
A simple question. was the shown gameplay showcasing the buffed shotgun or nah?

>>712720964
they definitely play it as just another boring reject i'm just saying they kinda messed up giving the criminal fps protag a fucking "i am literally blessed by the emperor" button

>>712720723
NTA but when / where did FS say that?

>>712701608
you only get bots if there aren't other players wanting to do the same mission- or if someone D/Cs. every match i played that started with bots, they all got replaced by real players by the end.

>>712721018
It was showcasing the new shotgun, not a buffed shotgun. We don't know whether it was a lvl 500 orange one or a lvl 100 grey gun.

question is, what do you call your arbiter?
Joe? Rico?
Dekker? Hershey?
Giant? Carl-on-Duty?

>>712721154
Saints come from all walks of life, having some insane religious murderhobo get blessed with the Emperor's power is hardly out of the question.

Now if only Rebellion would make a proper Judge Dredd Game

>>712721179
>NTA but when / where did FS say that?
https://www.pcgamesn.com/darktide/arbites-class-preview
>The Arbites Shotgun is particularly powerful - so much so that Fatshark has had to rebalance all the existing shotguns to help them match up to the newcomer's might.

>>712721154
I think it has to do with the conditioning of heretics themselves. In the black library books, anyone even mentioning the emperor or golden throne in front of them, causes them to flinch or close their ears. I always took the ability in face value as the zealot reciting a litany of prayer out loud from the book causing the heretics to get stunned.

>>712721284
would everyone still treat them like a insane dreg of society only sent to die in battle as a reject? At the very least they couldn't say they're insane after seeing their power bodyblock plague ogryns.
>>712721414
in a similar vein this works for low level cultists but if you are saying these monstrosities can be beat around by any dreg with enough faith it kind of makes them seem really weak.

>>712704752
>oh a new class. Excited to see their new abilities!
>nunio aquila: basically just veteran shout
>castigator stance: basically just a toughness boost
>the other ability is just ogryn bull rush
>mfw

>nuspess dorfs gets into a game
>still no Centurion armor in any game
Welp

>>712659659 (OP)
>deepreddit lgbt&dragons

>>712721598
>you are saying these monstrosities can be beat around by any dreg with enough faith
If you think about it, beast of nurgle doesn't get pushed back by it only the ones which were once human i.e. plague ogryn, spawn and daemonhost are affected by it. probably due to a fragment of their past reacting to it?

>>712705175
cyberknotter

>>712708715
>What's so great about the dueling sword.
have you played the game at all in the last year?

>>712699743
>when he turns on the chassis light so the slave can see better

>>712700031
Anon the Imperium isn't run by good people. The only thing they care about is that taxes get paid.
A governor's an abhorrent slave driver who kills hundreds of thousands of people with overwork while he keeps sex slaves in his palace made out of gold? Well he pays his tithes so the Imperium's A-Okay with it, no intervention is required and business will continue as normal.
A governor is loved and respected by his people because he spends his time working to improve and care for the populace? Well an administratum clerk an entite sector away accidentally fat-fingered the Tithing form and added an extra zero, and the form never made it to the planet so his taxes were short. A minor Crusade will be sent to publically torture and execute the governor and his family before killing one quarter of the planet's population for 'lack of loyalty' before installing a new governor from off-world.
The entire Damocles Crusade, the largest conflict between the Imperium and the Tau ever, only came about because Imperial planets stopped paying tithes because the Imperium neglected them.

>>712703674
>>712703873
well which one is it?

>>712704752
The fuck else were they supposed to make?

>>712716620
KHORNE! I AM COMING TO KILL YOU! IN THE BRASS CITADEL! IN YOUR HOUSE!

>>712723816
oh I don't know. maybe one of the other hundreds if not thousand possible unique classes in the imperium?

>>712724034
Like what specifically?

>>712721331
Does Rebellion have the license? I'd like to see the guys who made the robocop game take a crack at it.

>>712724659
No

>>712725023
Rebellion owns all of Dredd and every other 2000AD IP, along with a lot of other British comics(it's why they show up in Atomfall as collectables), it's why I specified them out
Teyon could probably do a great job with Dredd but Rebellion are very protective of the IP

>>712726116
Couldn't think of one huh?
>skitarii
human FPS protagonist but robot
>err i mean eversor
human FPS protagonist but melee-ier
>hmm how about marines
human FPS protagonist (male)
>uhh i mean SoB
human FPS protagonist but melee (girl)
>catachan? nope. stormtrooper? nope. commisar? nope. ratling? nope.

>>712717027
enjoy your mutations, bro

>>712726314
You are either dumb af/creatively bankrupt or a retarded shill.
>Combat servitor class which can be modified with an assortment of modifications like mechadendrites and stuff
>abhuman beastman who are bigger than humans but more mobile and bestial, yelling "for the goat emperor"
>kroot mercenary who can eat enemy corpses and temporarily gain the ability of what they eat
There are so many possibilities. FS went with the one with the least effort and most profit.

i'm a deeply closeted loyalist

>>712686109
as a custodes player i refuse to acknowledge femstodes as canon because female faces are really hard to paint

>>712726920
You're a loyalist?

>>712716495
RT is not buggy at all, and by that I mean that there are no gamebreaking bugs because Owlcat games always have bugs you probably don't even notice

>>712726864
>Combat servitor class which can be modified with an assortment of modifications like mechadendrites and stuff
So the dog pet class but it's tentacles
>abhuman beastman who are bigger than humans but more mobile and bestial, yelling "for the goat emperor"
Ogryn for furries, great
>kroot mercenary who can eat enemy corpses and temporarily gain the ability of what they eat
First of all no one is stunning themselves to do this shit outside of Heresy difficulty
Second of all enemies in this game largely don't have any 'abilities', they're all just zombies with different variations of weapons and armour
Third of all this is a penal legion, not a rogue trader game, there are no Kroot mercenaries

>>712727382
>Owlcat games always have bugs you probably don't even notice
Dream on, I'm replaying WOTR right now and while it's not as bad as release I'm still running into noticeable bugs constantly

>>712727483
>this is a penal legion
>FS: the arbites aren't rejects
You are just arguing for the sake of argument at this point. I'm not going to entertain any of your retarded takes to save a shitty company's laziness.

>>712727934
Nigga you're the one downplaying the obvious differences between a control/pet class and the rest of the cast, and the best you can come up with is different brands of furaffinity clones? To me it sounds like you're just looking for flavor, not effort - you don't actually give a fuck about laziness, you just think wizards and aliens are cooler than cops and soldiers, and are willing to be as reductive as possible to justify it.

Any yuros for some darktide?

>>712728453
you are one strange nigger obsessed over labeling everything as "furry". the control/pet class in question isn't even as extensive as the necromancer in VT2 and yet you seem laud it.

They should have added a blank instead of robocop 40k

>>712726864
>Kroots demand biomass to eat for mercenary work
>hire them to fight enemies they can't eat without getting super AIDS
Maybe you'll like to be their lunch instead.

>>712729091
The Arbites are a Judge Dredd ripoff anon
Blanks have the problem of what would their ability or special weapon would be?

>>712729091
>load into the psykhanium for theorycrafting/mortis trials
>game crashes

>psyker teammate joins the match
>cannot use powers in your vicinity and head explodes if they try

>>712729280
>party member gets downed
>kroot can choose either to save them or eat them and become gigachad clutcher
sounds like you have a plan

>>712729091
>instead of getting a coherency bonus the pariah debuffs teammates close to him
>decreased toughness, health, speed etc.

>>712729587
kek it would balance out though since the enemies would also be debuffed.

40k follows Bandai Namco pricing of Gunpla where a box of Space Marines is $20 and bottles of paint and shit are like $2 or $3?

>>712729331
>>712729403
>>712729587
Get fucked psykers
Sending your souls to the Emperor

>>712729680
>where a box of Space Marines is $20
>>$20
LOL
LMAO

>>712700737
>guardsmen
guardsmen are basically world war 1 troops

>>712727382
>no gamebreaking bugs
they took months to fix the softlock issue in RT.

>>712669030
>>712669325
both are boring fencesitter factions for redditors. why play chaos marines if you don't even want to engage with chaos? you're basically just closeted imperium fanboys

>>712700481
marines have always been medieval knightly orders in space, thematically they should be mostly euro style armor

>>712659659 (OP)
Are they doing any new maps or anything alongside this? It seems neat but if its just repeating the same content Ill just wait.

>>712732223
Some new cutscenes and new NPCs. Also some tweaks to progression system. No new maps/enemies/bosses though.

>>712726920
made for BWC

>>712659884
Bro they put out an Arbites kill team years before that happened

>>712731819
>IW
>not engage with Chaos
Peter Turbo is a daemon prince
they are the leading innovators of demonic tech
they absolutely do engage with Chaos, they just avoid (most) of the retardation that comes with it

>>712733656
40k needs more grotesqueness

>>712734535
don't post THOSE pics

>>712720623
There’s some variation

>>712726920
I know that feel

>>712734535
If you want Grotesque, you're better off looking past Marines.

>>712733656
why are these guys comically evil?

>>712736996
Why not?

I think chaos marines are grotesque

>>712731321
Retard

>>712737465
as intended

>>712716495
bugs are a lot less annoying than in release, btu the game is clearly unfinished from chapter 4 onwards

>>712659767
gotta remind the scum of their place both in universe and IRL

I bought arbites kill team set because it has a cute puppy
I named him Cupcake

>>712729680
>where a box of Space Marines is $20
that used to be the case back in the 90s
when I grew up in the 2000s a box of 10 was 30€
in the 10s it was 40€
now a box of 10 is 50€

>>712679398
the models remind me of the goofy old bloodbowl humans

>>712737542
okay zoomer
now try again
>CADIA
br'ish and am*rican world war 1 helmet and green coloration from both WW1 and WW2
>DEATH KORPS OF KRIEG
German's WW1 gasmasks and uniforms
>ATTILAN ROUGH RIDERS
Literally mongolian horseriders
>CATACHAN
Vietnam troopers
>MORDIAN
Prussia
>VALLHALAN
Russian and finish army
>TALLARN DESERT RAIDERS
Literally Ottoman Empire troops

now KYS
btw it's called the IMPERIAL GUARD, not astra militarum.

>>712659659 (OP)
Warhammer is most betacuck shit I've seen in my life.

>>712727382
>RT is not buggy at all,
by the time I got to chapter 4 the game had forgotten I'd kicked out heinrix and killed the eldar so they appeared in convos, t-pose corpses everywhere, and the fight against kibellah's cult would hang on every enemy turn for 60s doing nothing until it eventually crashed.

>>712738774
>br'ish and am*rican world war 1 helmet
? The Cadian helmet has more in common with the Starship trooper helmet than it does with the Brodie helmet used by those countries, you pic even shows it quite radically different from the Brodie
the Elysian Drop Troops, Kanak Skull Takers and Armageddon Steel legion don't really work in a WW1 context

>>712739087
you have very little life experience

>>712739617
Son, you could go out of your way looking to experience life and you wouldn't live though a fraction of shit I've lived through.
You're a little child playing with dolls.

>>712738774
>guardsmen
guardsmen are basically world war 1 troops
>>712738774
>ATTILAN ROUGH RIDERS
>Literally mongolian horseriders
>CATACHAN
>Vietnam troopers
So not WW1
Also Cadia is literally a 1:1 copy of starship troopers.
Kasrkin are modern special operations troops.
Finally
>Death Korps of Krieg
>German
Absolute brainrot-tier
Kriegers are 90% based on french WW1 trench uniforms, not germans. Not that you'd know that you mouthbreathing secondary

>>712738774
I agree sis, never forget our brave WW1 heroes

>>712739408
>>712739914
>>712740037
>Starship troopers
Cadian soldiers were around in 2nd ed. (1995) even before starship troopers was released (1997). Pic related.

They were redesigned to the modern look after starship troopers was released in 97', probably as a stunt to get some new people interested. All the new kits that I bought when I was a kid were designed from 97' to 2003

>>712716620
Malal, because he is the only REAL chaos god, all the others have too much structure to them.

>>712659659 (OP)
I don't think the Empire has any ratified code of law, nor is it applicable to uncharted space. Anyway eat dakka, git.

>>712736996
NIGht Lords consist of either low functioning sociopaths/psychopath onedimensional murderhobos or high functioning sociopath/psychopath philosophical murderhobos with no inbetween.

>>712739723
I know you want to look tough but writing stuff like this in an anonymous forum just makes you look like an edgy teenager

>>712740879
>Uhhhh for the first two years of their release Cadians actually were totally different
Ok
But neither those nor the new cadians are
>basically WW1 troops
Like you claimed here >>712731321

>>712701608
No, unlike VT2 bots in DT have no stats, skills and uses airsoft weapons. They're literally useless unless in the very specific moment of a full group wipe and some random shitter leaving: In this situation a still standing bot spawns in and might actually save the run by picking someone up, if it isn't hit by a disabler in 5-7 seconds it takes for every normie enemy on the map to beeline on it.

literally who

>>712702429
Based enjoyer and actual board gamer.

Any other good Arbites kino books?

>>712742330
not in 40k

New Warhammer games suck due to GW forcing the devs to model everything like the model kits.

>>712717986
>It's Coteaz
I still can't believe how badly they botched his update. The fuck were they thinking?

>>712729680
Lmao.

>>712738475
>goofy

this nigga still mad about getting his dark elves or whatever gay shit absolutely fucked on by griff oberwald

>>712743024
Just get Army Painter or Vallejo at this point, Citadel is far too overpriced for what you get

>>712731819
>alpha legion going totally unnoticed in this discussion

as planned

>>712736908
I like how Deldar kinda are the biotech counterpart to Necrons (with somewhat less Godlike tech)

>>712742730
If it were easier to change the axe to a hammer I'd legitimately just get one of the new Stormcast models to use for him instead of the real model.

>>712743158
Yep. AP quality is better or comparable now. And their bottle design doesn't waste paint.

>>712743240
Secondary niggas always harping on AoS for being fantasy MCU (they're not wrong, it's just not the outrage wellspring they think it is) but goddamn if it doesn't have some top tier models. And as a game it's leagues above (((the Old World))).

>>712659659 (OP)
>>712659732
Surprised GW didn't get sued for Arbites yet....the rip off is so blatant it's not even funny

>>712743856
>Sanguinary Guard get updated in 40k
>They're completely strippes of uniqueness outside of bad looking masks
>Meanwhile, in AoS...
It's amazing that Eldar, Kroot, and Space Wolves have pretty much led the charge for decent models in 10th Edition.

>>712743862
Way too late now.

>>712743862
It's genuinely shocking how litigious GW is with their IP considering how much of it is ripped directly from 2000 AD comics, Dune, and Moorcock's Eternal Champion novels.

>>712743024
Don't forget those fuckers will harden real fast unless you use them. Citadel colors are absolute ass in that department for some reason.

>>712659884
GW have earnt enough this year to be newly listed on the FTSE100 stock exchange. They also just gave their staff a £23 million bonus split amongst their workforce and are opening new factories at their head office.

They are absolutely raking in DOSH at the moment.

>>712744630
There is no way they're NOT raking in the profits. Keep in mind we're talking about a company that uses cheaper materials for their minis and has still been raising prices year over year.

>>712659767
I mean, when you have as much lore and as many wide and varied factions as GW has in the 40k setting it isn't really surprising that they decide to dust one down that hasn't featured in a while and give it a fresh coat of paint and some attention

It will be The Catachan Jungle Fighters next

>>712744610
>will harden real fast
Pro tip use a stiff needle to clear out the ring of dried paint around the rim of the cap to restore its ability to seal.

>>712744610
because their pots are garbage, whether intentionally by design or oversight. there's a reason why THIS is the norm. also, do what >>712744835 said.

>>712744835
Better to move them to a drop bottle. Saves space too.

>>712743862
GW actually held the license for making and publishing a Judge Dredd Miniature Game back in the late 80s. They made a whole load of models for it and had rules where it could be adapted into a 40k game setting
They lost the license in 1995 but by that time they had long used their license privileges to create The Arbites in 40k as a faction completely inspired by their Judge Dredd game.

It's not too dissimilar to how GW are able to get away with using Rattlings (basically 40k Hobbits) without any challenge from The LOTR license holders. GW have the exclusive rights to making the LOTR Miniature game and by proxy are able to use things inspired by it within their 40k setting

>>712745238
They are supposed to look like bolter rounds. Old design was bolter casings. Both sucked ass but the old ones were way easier to clean.

>eldar finally got some decent lore updates
>lol no yvraine’s fucked and no new Eldar faction
What was the point?

>>712747440
GW moves at a snail's pace and still haven't realized that people are sick of Eldar losing everything and think everyone still hate Ynnari for being super OP at first.

>>712747440
GW thought they could make Eldar a thing people liked.
They were wrong.

>>712743240
Squire niggas were a cool addition

>>712747440
Ynnari were part of the whole "let's squat slaanesh and make 40k more family friendly" retarded gameplan that the previous CEO had going, and as he was booted that shit was scrapped as well. It didn't help that the Ynnari as a faction lacked any actual models besides the 3 hero units, everything else in their range came from the Craftworld Eldar and the Dark Eldar so there was no real ynnari playerbase either.

GW could, if they had been smart and actually planned out the Ynnari, done something interesting with them, like making new models that combine aesthetic elements from both Craftworld and Dark Eldar, introduce units that play around with the whole necromancy/power of the dead stuff Ynnari are all about (could have shit like literal Eldar ghosts or whatever) but they did nothing with the idea.

>>712743027
these were the dudes I had growing up. goofy is right.

>>712749317
Why the fuck should GW care about a literal NPC faction nobody likes in the first place?

>>712749974
Kill yourself, retarded secondary.

Archaon or belakor for my first WoC campaign?

>>712750178
Archaon

>>712750132
>Buh muh spehss elves
You could remove Eldar from the setting entirely and nothing would actually change. They're worthless, unpopular, and unfitting. Their entire niche has been usurped by Necrons.

>>712750479
Again, kill yourself, secondary shitposter. You do this nonsensical shitposting in every fucking thread. GW is not going to remove Eldar from 40k no matter how much you bitch and whine or how many arguments you try to instigate on /v/.

>>712750479
necron is the silly reddit faction with terrible gay lore

>>712750578
unless you're harlequins, in which case they are doing their best to

>>712750753
Harlequins are just rolled back into the CWE roster like they used to be before that brief time where GW made every fucking faction their own little codex. God damn Scitarii and Admech used to have different codexes for some insane reason.

The proper way of handling the Eldar factions is this: Codexes for both Dark Eldar and Craftworld Eldar, and both of them include rules for using Harlequins and Corsairs with your army because lorewise Harlies and Corsairs fight alongside both CWE Eldar and Dark Eldar.

>>712750578
Honestly though what WOULD change if Eldar got taken out?

>>712751475
very little, but here's the unfortunate truth, there's only 4 factions that are important in the galaxy/setting; imperium (and admech), chaos, orks, and tyranids, take out any other faction and fucking nothing changes at all.
all of these are needed due to their sheer galactic saturation, everything else is close to worthless

>>712751475
The setting would lose one of it's most aesthetically unique and beautiful looking factions as well as one of the original races it had since it's inception. The Eldar, Orks and Tyranids were part of 40k before even chaos shit was introduced. Only retarded secondaries dislike the og factions of the setting or wants 40k to have less races in general. The variety of armies you can collect is the best thing about the fucking game.

>>712752212
>beautiful
Ah that's it.
Always kinda windered why Eldar don't fit.
Beautiful things don't belong in 40k, except maybe Custodes.

>>712752893
Beautiful things do not fit The IMPERIUM you moron, because the imperium is an ugly, shitheap dystopia. The factions of 40k have their own aesthetics, not everything has to look like imperial shit. Orks look like mad max rejects, Tyranigs look like xenomorphs crossbred with dinosaurs, Tau have this whole vaguely asian mech aesthetic going on, Necrons look like terminators with vaugely ancient egyptian aesthetics, and Eldar look like elegant and beautiful space elves.

>>712753201
Beautiful things don't fit 40k in general. The only things that should be given leeway on that are Custodes since they're (figuratively) handmade by the Emperor, and potentially the Tau due to them being new and fresh to the Galaxy and as such they haven't experienced the horrors of it.
And 'elves is space' isn't a good enough justification for a faction.

>>712753432
Medieval Humans but in space isn’t either but here we are

>>712753432
>Beautiful things don't fit 40k in general.
That is literally just your opinion, one which is obviously not shared by GW because they included beautiful stuff into it from the get go and have kept them there for over 30 years.
The eldar aesthetics have changed remarkably little over time and if anything, they have gotten even more beautiful and elegant looking over time.

The Spesh Elves are here to stay, cope and seethe about it, secondary retard.

>>712743862
m8 the entire wh40k style comes from the same artists that did 2000AD material back in the day. the same "scene" produced both. it's de facto the same group of people

>>712704752
people asking for xenos are retarded, but there's still a lot o human options to add variety
>admech skitarii
>ratlling sniper
>nightsider scout
>voidborn assassin
>beastwoman cumdump

>>712750479
>worthless
Like all xenos
>unpopular
They're actually the most popular Xeno army, even if that means they're dwarfed by Imperium and Chaos players.
>unfitting
Nah they fit, their characters have just been poorly used and they spent a long time being a punching bag.

Trench Crusade is already on Its way to mog this shitty slop.

>>712659767
People asked the same question when Custodies got shilled. GW is shilling one by one. Once Arbites have been milked, GW will move on to another faction and you'll ask the same question.

>>712749317
>"let's squat slaanesh and make 40k more family friendly
This was never a thing. It was just secondaries seething about Age of Sigmar and trying to transplant the glaring issues with that setting onto 40k. And since they don't actually play the game they're not aware Slaanesh got some of the best models it's ever had shortly into Age of Sigmars history.

>>712727338
no, he said he is deeply closeted

>>712754505
then what was the point of even making the ynnari? that was absolutely GW floating the idea of ending slaanesh out there to see what the response was

>>712704752
>arbites lame
You're lame.
People have asked for this class for years.

>>712734535
POST MORE

>>712754717
If it was then GW did a shitty job communicating it since all the Ynnari have ever done in canon is job.

>>712754717
>GW floating the idea of ending slaanesh
Can't they just free Isha if they want to give Eldar a huge win that wouldn't require killing one of the chaos gods?

>>712750479
You can say that about any faction
Eldar are the xenos that are also connected chaos
They represent why chaos is a very real danger and not just an alternative religion
They represent the possible future the imperium can have
They also act as a reasonable rival to the imperium who are just as morally grey as them
And the dark eldar are an objectively evil faction that isn’t high from chaos or just mindless monsters
They are probably the most necessary xeno

>>712726864
Abhumans / kroot would not work lorewise.
A combat servitor could be cool. But I much prefer 40k judge dredd.

>>712755006
they're only jobbing in response to the entire audience going "no we don't want 40k endtimes you fucking retards, no we don't want eldar under one banner, no we don't want a chaos god to be killed off, fuck you" so GW said "ok well good try on us at least, ynnari are now schizo jobbers everyone hates"

dlc tonight or tomorrow?

>>712702735
>>712709231
I can't believe Games Workshop passed up the opportunity to get wokeness points by making a genderless but sapient faction.

>>712755109
Isha is specifically soft-retconned by GW because bringing her up would mean referencing her status of being held captive and abused by Nurgle, which would be an uncomfortable talk for GW's new target customer base.

>>712754717
No, it was the same reason they did Primaris. New models = More money. Except Craftworld Eldar players like Craftworld stuff and don't really care about Dark Eldar or Harlequins much. So Ynnari stuff fizzled out because the real concern lore wise was that Ynarri was going to "Kill" craftworlders and dark eldar way more than it was that she was going to ever kill Slaanesh.

So Ynarri is in the dustbin while the new line of Warp Spiders and their phoenix lord sells like crack.

>>712755232
That retarded shitposter just hates the eldar for some unfathomable reason. He starts this same argument in every fucking thread the Eldar even tangentially mentioned. This has been going on for like a year at least if not more. It is pointless to try to engage him in a genuine conversation.

>>712755476
grandpa Nurgle loves her tho

>>712755527
There are plenty of Eldar players like me who collect all types of Eldar and if Ynnari had been a genuinely new range of Eldar units I would have gotten them as well if their aesthetics and lore were good, but alas they were not. Well, the Vizarch looks fantastic and if that was the basis of the new range's look I'd have been all over it

>>712755476
>Isha is specifically soft-retconned by GW
So she's not a captive anymore or? And even if she still was, they could just free her and get points from the new customers. Killing Slaanesh just Isn't it.

>>712738774
>WW1
Tell that to the Phantine Skyborne and Lucifer Blacks

>>712755527
ynnari maybe shouldn't have been primarily fucking grey then for a color scheme when all other eldar are so colorful

>>712755751
She just no longer exists. She's dead like the other Eldar gods.

>>712672417
the books are great, the first ~3 seasons of the expanse too

>>712755736
Aesthetically they're quite good though I don't love what they decided to do with the Yncarne. At least the new Avatar of Khaine was fantastic. They really should have just done a Corsair line. Remember when Yriel was a big deal and he was going to save the entire Eldar race with pluck and daring? I can't believe I miss that asshole.

>>712678890
>That is not the way of the VIIIth
Cyrion
Uzas
The Exalted
Krieg
Skraivok
Lucoryphus
And many more
I bet you also think the Night Lords are good guys and are just misunderstood. They're evil cunts and always were and they are at least 50/50 chaos worshippers. I don't know where this meme started that they're the fedora legion

>Make new Eldar faction
>Their lasting impact are killing thecmost popular Craftworld and spawning lots of porn of their leader getting railed by Guilliman
Comical

>>712756079
There are rumors that the corsairs are going to get more stuff. I am hoping for light corsair grav tanks or GW's take on the old forge world wasp walkers.

>>712755937
is that very new lore or something? i checked a few sites including lexicanum and there's nothing about her being dead

>>712744495
>It's genuinely shocking how litigious GW is with their IP considering how much of it is ripped directly from 2000 AD comics, Dune, and Moorcock's Eternal Champion novels.
Don't forget Battletech

Dark age of technology, empire in decline, STC, Technological decay, Archaeotech, Cult of the machine.

All Battletech rip offs.

>>712744495
>>712756471
And of course, Titans, forgot about the most obvious part.

>>712756471
nah a lot of that is from stuff is from Fondation Battletech also ripped that shit off

>>712756471
That's the pot calling the kettle black, since like half of the battlemechs had no canon appearance for years because the originals were traced over mechas from Gundam and Macross.

>>712756332
I hope the Biel'tan thing works out because now they're sort of like a massive Corsair fleet, even more militarized then they were before, a bunch of the Phoenix Lords are coordinating with them more than anyone else, and they're slowly rebuilding the wreck of the Craftorld proper. Hopefully into a Giant Psychic Deathstar this time.

>>712756425
That's the thing; she's never mentioned as being a special case that survived, she's just treated under the same broad umbrella of the other Eldar gods as having died when Slaanesh woke up.
Even the Eldar codex doesn't mention her in a particularly unique way.
And fanbase wise there's a huge majority of people who think Leman Russ should save her rather than the Eldar themselves.

>>712744391
And Emperor's Children. They look amazing

>>712756816
>And fanbase wise there's a huge majority of people who think Leman Russ should save her rather than the Eldar themselves.

The fuck are you even talking about? Some retarded secondary coomer slop shit spammed on twitter and reddit?

AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
BLOOD BLOOD BLOOOOOOOOD
MAIM KILL BURN MAIM KILL BURN MAIM KILL BURN
KILL KILL KIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLL
BLOOD HAHAHA BLOOOD

>>712756561
Titans might also come from Nemesis the Warlock

>>712756814
It won't. The latest Eldar codex still left them at "Breaking faster than can be repaired", and the only actual developments are that Yriel is a pirate again (removing all of his past character progression) and the Ynnari are basically dead.

>>712756816
so, what, is the very well-known thing about her being caged by nurgle a fan theory? i don't believe you that the eldar codexes don't mention her.

>>712756850
Meh. They're okay.

>>712659767
They got a redesign from their original straight up 2000 AD designs and now can be shown in the main game way more easily, and they're super popular

>>712756982
>Yriel is a pirate again
>Ynnari are basically dead.

>>712757016
Isha being captive of nurgle is ancient lore that hasn't been mentioned in Eldar codexes in like decades. That notion is mostly kept up by the fanbase rather than anything official.

>>712756906
Russ' whole thing is that he disappeared into the Warp to find the "Tree of Life" to revive the Emperor.
People have interpreted this as a sign that Russ will find Isha and free her from Nurgle.

>>712661754
>y owlcat love black people? Insane over-representation in all their games
Brown people make up 70% of the planet

>>712659659 (OP)
chill arby I'm a sanctioned psyker and agent of the inquisition although they mostly just ignore me

>>712757118
if it hasn't been changed/retconned then it's still true. you can say isha is dead when the codex says it, it's not like it has to be constantly reaffirmed every edition, it's just lore now.

>>712698764
It's one of Paul Dainton's best works, although it'll forever be Daemonhunters to me. Very similar style to Karl Kopinski but more of an emphasis on the environment imo

He's still at GW as their lead art director, and still does pieces for 40k

>>712756332
Memes about Guillman and Yvraine aside, all the development that Guillman has had over the past half decade has been kino

>>712757390
I thought Dainton left recently

>>712757032
I've just finished putting together my Champions of Slaanesh box and for me they are easily one of the best looking armies that I've built. They have a lot of SOUL in their designs and poses

>>712757308
I do not dissagree, I just wanted to clarify that it isn't really a recent thing that the whole "isha was saved by nurgle" hasn't been mentioned in Eldar codexes.

It is actually rather interesting how the Eldar have nearly zero engaging Leaders who actually feel competent and capable of doing anything. Outside of Eldrad and I feel like he hasn't been really relevant in a decade. Like there are the Phoenix Lords, who have definitely been the focus for the past few years, but they feel more like Heroes than leaders since they're so aligned with their specific branch of the Aspect Warriors instead of a Craftworld.

In contrast each Necron Dynasty leaders almost always feels like a fairly engaging characters in their own right.

>>712659767
Not sure about "suddenly" as Exaction Squad have been around for a year. GW seem to use Kill Team to gauge which niche factions or units will be positively received. People fucking loved Exaction Squad despite them being more complex to play and situational compared to your average Space Marine elite squad and it renewed interest in them as a lore object. Not surprising that Darktide was the perfect medium to push them even harder since they fit perfectly into the Darktide setting (i.e. a Hive is literally on the verge of collapse and it's population are going full heretic and it falls to the Arbites to be the last line of defense)

>>712757697
Idk man. I think Orks have it tough. They have one singular guy and that guy got decapitated by some literal who. God can we just get something else instead of Ghaz...

>>712757869
>GW seem to use Kill Team to gauge which niche factions or units will be positively received.
Nemesis Claw is pretty consistently sold out. I wonder if they would consider a Night Lords upgrade sprue for CSM.

>>712757894
There's Uftak Blackbawk but I heard somewhere his new book is gigapozzed

>>712758072
They absolutely will. And conversely with how popular Emperor's Children have proven to be I am absolutely certain that we will get an EC Kill Team some time soon. Slaanesh is already vastly underrepresented in KT. An EC KT makes too much sense

>>712758072
For good reason. I fucking love my Nemesis Claw team. Especially since Legionnaires are going to get retired soon

>>712757894
Ragnar isn't really a literally who. Not quite Dante or Calgar tier but he's up there. But yeah Orks have been hyper focused on Ghazkull. The Warhammer 40k inadvertantly showed off a fairly serious strength in Fantasy compared to 40k in regards to just how many characters and dynamics there are between different factions.

In 40k everyone just hates everyone but outside of very specific cases there aren't really a tonne of inter-faction 'rivalries' except between Space Marines and Chaos Space Marines.

>>712757482
Oh I might be out of date then

>>712758332
The Yarrick/Gaz rivalry is absolute kino though. They stumbled into gold with that one

Quickly: Tell me your favourite Horus Heresy book

>>712758332
>The Warhammer 40k
I meant the Warhammer Total War game.

>>712758571
Betrayer, Fulgrim or Fear to Tread

>>712758571
I actually thought Solar War was really good, the PoV of the normal human conscripts put in front of the imperial palace to face the worst that Horus could find was pretty kino

>>712674426
Makes sense. Plus Darktide fans have been wondering when a new career would show up, and it gives some new content to Rogue Trader fans before they move on to Dark Heresy.

all win/win really.

>>712758581
The one where Gorillaman punches the head clean off a Word Bearer whilst helmetless in the vacuum of space

>>712677297
>>712677783
>>712677914
I like both. What now nerds?

>>712758120
then you heard from a retard, no it isn't, at all. someone might post one single sentence from it and try to damn the whole book from that despite it being pretty fucking in-line for the eldar to do, especially the dark eldar. other than that one sentence, no

God I can't fucking wait to play as the Arbites in DT

>>712758856
Arbites were one of the few really easy choices for Darktide that fits the narrative well

The only other slam dunks would be some sort of skitarii exile or tech scavenger to get the mechanicus crowd in

>>712670837
I couldn't help but notice the severed boob on his pauldron
not to mention said boob has a nipple ring

>>712759180
Considering the Arbites class are explicitly not Rejects like the others, you wouldn't even need some sort of exile, the Mechanicus could just decide that Atoman Steel is important and send in some of their own agents.

>>712704696
it doesn't say what their origins are but something tells me they're a white scars successor

>>712759356
A skitarii would be awesome, they even have enough flavors now that doing three talent trees would be easy

Shooty skitarii

Melee Skitarii

Cybertheurgy Skitarii

>>712759356
True. And with Hadron being pretty much the most used quest/narrative giver out of the whole Darktide cast, it would be extremely easy for them to work an angle of her summoning help from a host of Technoarchologists now that Mobian Steel has been rediscovered

>>712705175
I hope we can name them.

but why skulls?

>>712760173
Memeto Mori art was a big influence on GW artists in the 80s, andthe style stuck around

>>712759583
If Skitarii got in, I'd want conversations between the skitarii and hadron that to everyone else is just binaric code, and is only understandable to the skitarii player.

Hi secondaries

>>712761180
Question; wgich ones are bigger secondaries, Imperium fans who don't buy the overpriced plastic, or xenos fans who do?

>>712731819
IW aren't fence sitters, they fully employ the tools of Chaos. Most of them just don't care about worship cause they're a legion of genuine autists.

>>712761310
First ones. The plastic IS the hobby.

>>712761517
But xenos are literally secondary factions?

>>712761678
Sorry but that'd be chaos

>>712761786
Chaos is automatically more important than xenos by the fact they're human.

>>712755751
>>712755476
>which would be an uncomfortable talk for GW's new target customer base
How many decades will it take before corporations figure out that the 'modern audience' doesn't play games, much less buy models?
Do they teach them in MBA school that the path to success for any corporation is to reach the 'modern audience' or something?

>>712761950
Chaos inherently waters down the setting by introducing an ontological evil that even the Imperium looks good fighting against.

>>712737921
Based

>>712761950
There are no other species that get seduced by Chaos powers? It's entirely made up of humans?

>>712762639
I wonder if anyone here was actually alive during the days of the original Rogue Trader, let alone old enough to have played it. My money is on "no".

>>712713036
Because Skaven is for Fantasy and AOS Warhammer.

>>712762580
>Do they teach them in MBA school that the path to success for any corporation is to reach the 'modern audience' or something?
Not exactly.
The concept is very simple; do as little as possible that can cause negative press while maintaining enough controversy to keep interest in products.
Femstodes happened because Custodes sell like shit and their codex was going to piss people off, so GW did something to stir the pot. It wasn't to pander to a group, it was to generate conversation for a product that otherwise would be immediately forgotten.
Talking about how the mother of the Eldar has spent all of 40k stuck in the ugly bastard sex dungeon being perpetually tortured is liable to be received badly.

>>712734535
>>712736908

I remember a warhammer thread that had a gnarly procession of like fantasy chaos with naked people, freaks, and genitals galore.

>>712762745
None who matter. You can thank the Great Crusade for that.

>>712762639
>Implying the Imperium aren't the good guys
Silence, race traitor.

>>712763131
What about members of those species who ascended to be Demon Princes? Or who's planets fell to Chaos and got sucked into the Warp?

>>712763271
There are no xenos daemon princes.

>>712763425
Horseshit, there are many mentions of princes that predate humanity.

>>712763425
Sauce plz

>>712763425
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nautilacknid
Shut up

>>712763601
>>712763730
>>712763875
There are no models for xenos daemon princes, therefore they don't exist. Simple as.

>>712756954
>Nemesis the Warlock
Dangerously based.

>>712764030
Neither does the Emperor

>>712764082
Not how it works.