Thread 712669016

Worst generation ever

>>712669016 (OP)
Fucking kek. Does the PS5 even have anything worth playing yet?

>>712669235
It has Astro Bot so not really.
Platformers like it can be found everywhere without them wearing the skin of prior franchises like a skinsuit.

>>712669235
Do you like any games?

>>712669476
Besides, it's on a platform whose users were conditioned to hate games like it.

>>712669016 (OP)
The ps5 was the last sony console ill buy on launch. Useless piece of shit. Years later the only thing I pla6ed was returnal, demon souls (again) and last of us 2. Shit system

>>712669016 (OP)
I'm gonna have to buy this POS because of GTA

>>712669764
Cuck

>>712669764
Or you could just, you know, wait for the PC version or the PS5 emulator, whichever happens first.

>>712669016 (OP)
This ends in 2 ways:
1) you release a PS6 in 2028
It is barely an improvement over the PS5, and it costs $1000.
It will be an even worse nogame machines.

2) you wait until we come up with a new way to increase transistors for cheap, probably 2030
It is a big improvement over the PS5, you might get it down to $500 if you're really smart and the tech gods spoke to you

>company moves to the US
>everything it produces becomes garbage
this happens way too often

>>712670134
This is Sony. They'll pick the former.

>>712670084
Sony fanboys literally have 10k-20k posts all just to troll and fight console wars, I know those retards are gonna post spoilers everywhere. It is what it is. It's not like youtube is gonna be any better, everyone will post spoilers. I'd rather play it day one and discover the story for myself.

>>712670134
Watch them make it a digital only hybrid monstrocity (basically bundled with a ps portal type of shit)

>>712669016 (OP)
Worst generation ever yet, it can and will only get worse.

>>712670324
The WiiU?

>>712669016 (OP)
Anyone else notice how they say the PS6 but nothing about videogames?

We're getting closer, guys...

>>712670134
I think we're already seeing people leave Sony behind because it's getting too expensive and some staying on PS4 waiting for PS6. Waiting 2 generations might become the new normal for a lot of people.

>>712669016 (OP)
You would think the 2 major consoles becoming PCs, instead of bespoke hardware, would make development easier, and games easier to optimise. But, no.

>>712670386
Basically but pushing heavily on muh graphics (to play nothing)

>>712669016 (OP)
Is there a chance that this could lead to PS5s going on sale for much cheaper around black friday or so?
I'm looking to get a cheap GTA6 machine.

>>712669235
>Does the PS5 even have anything worth playing yet?
Every game that's cross platform yeah.

>>712670620
Since the PS1, all games use C++. no one does SUPER LOW LEVEL shit anymore.
Developers only do weird shit when the hardware forces em to, like with the Cell processor.

>>712670682
Most likely. Sony knows gta has pull.

>>712670682
Xbox Series S?

>>712670752
>Cell processor.
What a load of shit that was, muh cores. To this day no game takes advantage of more cores.

The 666 deal

>PS6
>GTA 6
>2026

>>712670715
why would you buy a ps5 to play cross platform games thoughbeit

>>712670842
series S struggles even with CP2077 and Microsoft raised the prices anyways.

>>712669016 (OP)
should of focused on astro bot, stellar blade and helldivers 2. would have generated more money than releasing flops

There is a single game that runs at 8k aas they promise?

>>712670996
Cheaper than a gaming PC.

>>712670842
I have a PS4 already. I'd rather take advantage of the backwards compatibility. Plus getting a free digital copy of the PS5 version for cross-gen games is neat, since i got Elden Ring and a lot of Yakuza games for PS4.

>>712669476
Why is /v/ so senti/v/e about old games being referenced? And only if it's a Sony game. Not every franchise needs to or should go on forever.

>>712670871
It was not just "muh cores".
It was the "mflops" meme incarnate, EVERYTHING made to give moar FLOPs.
Including doing the long pipeline mistake of the pentium 4, but WORSE.
Depending on what you don the SPUs, it has like fucking 40 stage of pipeline.
Any "if" on the code is basically a trainwreck.

>>712671016
Power of hindsight.
Fun fact: Both Sony and Microsoft rejected the motion controls stuff from that company, Nintendo accepted it and it made motion controls happen, gyro, Wii etc.

>>712671057
if your priority is saving money then pc gaming is cheaper than console gaming

>>712669235
Pretty much every high profile game that's come out, yeah.

>>712671120
Yeah but I can't play my PC on a big TV on the couch. That's why I bought one

>>712670996
Preferring discs over digital.
>b-but physical will le die
Cool, by the time that happens, I'll be too old to care about vidya.

>>712671191
So games better experience on a PC.

>>712671120
Not if you don't feel like pirating.

>>712670682
Everything that is not switch 2 are increasing in price because china anon... I really don't think so.

>>712671086
>Not every franchise needs to or should go on forever.
What franchise has gone on forever from Sony?

>>712671245
Physical is already dead.
If you need internet to run a physical game, it is not a physical game.
On PC on the other hand, you can turn a game into a true physical game if you want, as long the game is DRM free, or just protected by the steam bullshit store you can bypass by dropping a single dll on the folder.

>>712670134
sony will charge $1000 for it no matter what because its cultist fans will buy it anyway

>>712671239
?
do you not realise you can plug a pc into a tv?
>>712671245
is the priority the discs themselves? or is being able to always play video games, because on pc you can just copypasta your games into an hdd for a backup

>>712671349
NTA but God of War? But that feels more of a zombie franchise at this point.

>>712670996
>Physical media
>PS4 exclusives running at their best
>Cheaper than the alternatives

The same question can be said about modern PCs when a $200 prebuilt laptop can play anything worthwhile the platform has to offer on GOG.

>>712671261
Which experience? Slightly better graphics that normal humans won't notice the difference?
The PS5 is easier to setup. You just sit in your couch and play with your controller.
Playing with Keyboard and mouse is awful for my neck.

>>712671245
>He thinks he owns his discs

>>712671459
a $200 prebuilt laptop IS a modern pc you dingus

>>712671086
It's a problem when it's Astro Bot's only recognizable feature. There's a good reason why that game is called a graveyard for Playstation.

>>712671440
>do you not realise you can plug a pc into a tv?
It's not the same, I prefer playing PC on my desk. There are also games like MMO's, RTS etc that are for PC. I would never play any of those genres on a console.

>>712671261
I have kids I like to play coach co-op with. The experience is absolutely better on consoles where controls just work and don't need troubleshooting to set up right because my microphone being connected via Bluetooth thinks it's player 2 for God knows what reason.

>>712671480
do you people not realize you can use a controller with your pc or something?

>>712669235
stellar blade?

>>712671480
Controllers work on PC, in case you didn't know. Maybe need the kb/m for 30 seconds to log in and launch the game.

>>712671086
>Not every franchise needs to or should go on forever.
Sony has tried to make franchises. They've just failed to do so forever. Their most successful franchise in that way is Uncharted, no huge controversy, sold well, sold Playstations. Still listed as a franchise they want to continue after all these years.

>>712669235
I'm really upset that I might have to buy a PS5 for DS2. Kojimbo taking the money like a desperate whore.

>>712671569
Then why do Steamfags hold some weird superiority complex when literally every household has a "modern PC" yet choose a console anyways?

>>712671796
You mean the Sony owned IP, Death Stranding?

Why spend thousands of dollars on a gaming PC when the PS5 plays all worthwhile games and is much cheaper?

It will even have GTA 6 a year before PC.

>>712669016 (OP)
The coof fucked up everything. They should have pushed the launch back at least a year.

>>712669016 (OP)
damn are they making the no games machine 2? I cant wait for a new console with yet no games!

>>712669016 (OP)
Is it been five years already?

>>712672105
>when the PS5 plays all worthwhile games and is much cheaper?
That piece of shit can't even play Fallout 1

>>712672105
Pc chads will be emulating it a week before launch

We won't see tangible info on a PS6 until like 2027 right?

>>712671931
not anymore,kojipro got the full right transferred

>>712671480
>Playing with Keyboard and mouse is awful for my neck.
lmfao what
are you constantly looking down at it or something

PS5 keep increasing it's price 5 years later, how costly will be the PS6?

I feel absolutely nothing about this. PS5 never seemed like it was going to be anything, even before it launched. If Sony wanted to surprise me, they would've released more than 2 games that actually look like they represent Playstation as a brand.

>>712672139
It's just not the coof, the moore's law is over.
From 1970 to 2010, we could just make the entire circuit of a chip smaller by improving the lens and making the mask bigger or with a higher resolution.
It was a constant $4000 per wafer, and every 18 months give or take, you could shove twice the number of components in the same die.
But we got to a point where the smaller shit like the tracks fail to work normally if you shrink em down. quantum tunneling makes electrons teleport around like crazy. we do abuse quantum tunneling to make flash memory, but in this case is undesirable and unavoidable.

What replaced it is what i call "the jensen's law". Instead of shrinking down EVERYTHING, we now re-design the components to use less space. the end result of this is that we both burn billions in research, and need more manufacturing steps to do a wafer, and as the end result, the best the manufacturing step, the more expensive is the wafer.
3nm is 18000$ according to this article:
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmcs-wafer-pricing-now-usd18-000-for-a-3nm-wafer-increased-by-over-3x-in-10-years-analyst
It's what is being used on the PS5 pro, which is why it costs $700.

>>712672105
Because the games are free on PC and you don't have to pay for online

>>712672628
I wouldn't be that surprised if it launches at $700.

>>712672850
Same as the PS5 pro? you're quite hopeful.

This has been worse than the gen before the NES

>>712672850
Honestly that might be a plan they are aiming for so it's the better option between it and the PS5 Pro.

ITT: People forgetting that when the PS4 was first rumored, everyone said the same thing. That it was too son, it'd be a waste of time, etc.

The PS5 as a whole was still a better machine than the PS3 and definitely the PS Vita.

So 2028 ps6?

>>712673074
>People forgetting that when the PS4 was first rumored, everyone said the same thing. That it was too son, it'd be a waste of time, etc.
Hello child, just letting you know you have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>712673074
PS3 had more games, free online, more multimedia features

>>712673074
PS4 had exclusives people still cared about and it made a ton of noise so people had good reasons to want to upgrade. And people didn't know what a mess live service push was gonna be. It's impossible to know the real data but I've seen more and more people online at least claim that they went to other platforms like PC because the PS plus was just getting too expensive.

>The PS5 as a whole was still a better machine than the PS3 and definitely the PS Vita.
But Sony still made the games people wanted back then which is why it's different.

>>712669016 (OP)
What the fuck does that even mean?

>>712673074
>better than PS3 or Vita
God no. When I think of PS3 I think of Demons Souls, Folklore, LittleBigPlanet, 3D Dot Game Heroes, Metal Gear Solid 4. When I think of Vita I think of Gravity Rush, Tearaway, Soul Sacrifice, Freedom Wars. They're no PS1/PS2 but I
I'll sure as hell take those over most of what came after.

>>712670229
>NOOO BRO SUPPORT US BUSINESSES LOOK FOR THE "made in usa" sticker PLEASE!!!

>>712673604
PS5 is winding down in Sonyland, PS6 development is ramping up.

>>712670275
Just avoid those threads? Have some self control? Idk? I was able to avoid anything and everything about GTA 5 before it came on PC just fine. if you wanne get a PS5 and play GTA6 just get one, but don't use some lame ass excuse to justify it.

>>712671779
>Sony has tried to make franchises
Lmao. They have been handed so many opportunities back in day but they never took them because they wanted something "more marketable".
Crash/Spyro? Didn't buy rights for them, let Microsoft snatch them in the end(but Sony spent more money om Bungie instead to chase live service slop)
Ape Escape? Dead and buried because controls didn't fit the standards and it was too "Japanese", rest of Japan Studio met same fate.
R&C? Rebooted it so the old games aren't part of the CORRECT timeline.
Sackboy/LBP? Buried and replaced with Astrobot.
Astrobot? A character about Playstation 5. Flies around on PS5 controller. On the same level of playing as Mii who wears Nintendo costumes and adventures around on Wii Remote. Good fucking luck making Astrobot make sense on PS6.

Honestly the sad fact is that Sony just chases trends. I happened to like PS1/PS2 trends(Japanese games, platformers, action-adventure). Sony's biggest mascot is the facebuttons of the controller. Which is excellent design don't get me wrong, universal and easy to remember. But it is why Sonyfans gets so excited for Playstation logos etc. like raindrops in Astrobot.

>>712673616
Guarantee you only played like 2 of those games when they were new, your post reeks of larp

>>712672968
Eh, the gulf in technological standards makes me want to disagree but fuck it, the Atari 2600 had games.

>>712669692
wisest thing to do is to buy consoles every 2 generations now
own PS4? buy ps6
bought ps5? wait till ps7 in 2034

in the end, it doesn't even matter

>>712673912
I played catch-up with PS3 I admit, but I was on it with Vita. I really wanted to play Gravity Rush. Also, do you really think people don't look back on Demons, LBP or MGS4 when they think of the PS3? Really? Those were actually pretty noteworthy games.

>>712673874
In no way is it an excuse. I've seen their post counts and it's insane. I can just sell it when it comes to PC.

>>712673889
Sony's two genius moves were their buttons and the name Playstation.

>Honestly the sad fact is that Sony just chases trends.
Sony was always very corporate but for some reason Sony fanboys always believed they weren't. Wii successful? Copy that. Halo successful? Try to make their own Halo killer. Fortnite successful? Make their own live service. Switch successful? Make their own handheld.

But they haven't even stated releasing games for the PS5 yet!

>>712673889
Well also lets not forget that creating franchises isn't exactly on the agenda of many companies anymore, because that is expensive and risky for the pissing shareholders. Big Publishers and Studio's like EA, Ubishaft, Bungie, Sony, etc much prefer to take a older IP and retool it, or beat it dead into the ground with 800 sequels, and when we do get something published new by Sony or a Publisher, they usually don't even own the IP for it.
If they would quit ballooning budgets for every game, maybe they'd be willing to try making new IP's and franchises, like idk, how it used to be on the PS2 and PS3.

>>712673616
>seventh gen was 12 years ago now
>games weren't that amazing but people socialized in that gen years before everything became a fortnite advertising platform clone or GAAS internet connected game

Fuck me can we get the dudebro era back instead of arguing about pointless computer performance in the newest console?

>>712674434
The vestiges of Japan Studio crawled through the mire and tossed a cute mascot platformer out there. God knows that have to try that much harder to just not die these days.

>>712671670
>worth playing

>Sony PC games
>Already abandoning the ps5
As a PS4 owner I'm so happy I didn't buy a PS5. It would be the worst mistake ever if I did.

>>712674750
It and Astro Bot are as close as it gets.

>>712674774
>yfw

>>712674676
The Software branch moving to California in the woke era was a huge mistake.
It even affected Japanese games, since the retards in California had influence on Japan.
How much was spent on stuff like fairgames and Concord?

What saved Sony was that Microsoft committed Sudoku and allowed Sony to have Genshin Impact and Wukong as de facto console exclusives for a long time with their bad strategies.

>>712669016 (OP)
>top of mind
The fuck is that supposed to mean?

So Wolverine is really going to be a PS6 game isnt it? Like it will get a ps5 version but it will be the aids version of the game.

>>712674629
The dudebros weren't even online. Xbox and Sony fanboys always shitposted about power.

I'm probably skipping the PS6 and scooping up the inevitable remasters on PS7. I have a backlog big enough to get me through the next decade at least.

>>712675386
I'm looking at PS6 from a vantage point of "it can't be worse than PS5". Like hell I'll get one at launch but who knows, depending on Sony's tune it's not impossible that I'll look into it eventually. Nothing worth holding my breath over either way, whatever happens happens but I walked into this current gen with spite already in my heart. Can't be worse.

Who is going to buy this? Its going to be like 1000 bucks.

>>712669235
Unicorn Overlord.
Emmm Astro Bot
Death Stranding 2 but thats gonna come to PC in a year?
Demon Souls Remake
GTA 6 I guess but thats also on the PC in a year

>>712675008
It was and I don't undersatand what these people need to do to get fired by the Japanese masters. They released that the PS5 made a total of 15 billion in profit. Now I don't know if that counts the losses or not.

But they're basically 99.5% dependent for profit on 3rd parties and thats a massive loss for them in terms of potential revenue.

Whats even more confusing to me is that Concord lost them about 500 million dollars.
Fairgames and Marathon is going to cost them another 500 million dollars and thats not even counting their $3.6bn waste on buying Bungee that most certainly did not make that money back in Destiny sales.

So they made 15 billion dollars of profit but lost 5 billion on just 3 things. They also lost ??? on Naughty Dogs shitty game. The let Neil Fuckman basically kill Naughty Dog. They released 0 new IPs and they explanded 0 of their existing IPs with God of War and Horizon Zero being basically forgoten by everyone not meeting their sales expectations.

On the way they have Ghost of Yotai that is probably going to underpreform as well.

So after all these CATASTROPHIC decisions. Why is Sony Americas Leadership even employed at this point? Are they taking credit for all the 3rd parties being on the PS5? Are they taking credit for designing the PS5 basically a cheap PC with no real features that set it apart for Xbox?

Like what the fuck is happening? Why aren't heads rolling left right and center?

>>712669016 (OP)
>Playstation 6
But what for? There is no difference between the 4 and the 5 so why do you even need a 6? Gaming is stagnating

>>712675698
>>712675765
Where is there to even go at this point? It needs to have a gimmick because we've hit the ceiling on graphics and resolution. Is Horizon 3 going to render Aloy's individual pores and body hairs at 8K?

>>712675849
so
Switch game
bad mario clone
Pc game
PS3 game
PC game

>>712675849
>Why aren't heads rolling left right and center?
Jim Ryan's gone ("retired"), Hermen Hulst got a slight demotion from co-CEO and the sole CEO of SIE is Japanese again. That said, it's gonna take years and hundreds of millions of dollars to clean up the shitshows that have been brewing these last few years. It's gotta get worse before it gets better, a lot worse.

>>712675008
>How much was spent on stuff like fairgames and Concord?
Bungie was 3.6 billion, Concord lost 400 million, not sure if that includes buying the studio, Haven was undisclosed.

Here's what Sony executive Hiroki Totoki had to say during an investor presentation in February 2022, speaking to Sony's growing ambitions in an area where it currently has little authority. "The strategic significance of this acquisition lies not only in obtaining the highly successful Destiny franchise, as well as a major new IP Bungie is currently developing, but also incorporating into the Sony group the expertise and technologies Bungie has developed in the live game services space… We intend to utilize these strengths when developing game IP at PlayStation Studios as we expand into the live game services area. Through close collaboration between Bungie and PlayStation Studios we aim to launch more than 10 live service games by the fiscal year ending March 2026."

>>712669016 (OP)
This gen sucks because western games especially from the US have fallen off a cliff. All the hit games are coming out of Asia, except for Expedition 33 out of France. What the hell happened? The west was on top for ps3/360 and japan was in the dump. Now almost every western game flops hard. In fact I'd say japan was doing better in the 360/ps3 days than the West is doing right now.

>>712676003
In some recent corpospeak they've looked into the possibility of cloud gaming, but aren't committed to pushing it over actually playing a game locally on your device. But they've looked into it.

>The PlayStation 5 (PS5) was released on November 12, 2020
It's been five years already, anon

>>712676003
the ps5 and ps5 pro both struggle to run games in 4k

>>712670275
>caring about spoilers in a GTA game
Why? Barely anything ever happens in a GTA game, the MC/s have some adventures and commit crimes, the antagonists die, and the game ends with little to no chacter growth or anything important really happening except those.
I guess based on what we've seen they will invest more in narrative this time, but yeah. I wouldn't raise my expectations to some grand narrative level.

>>712676341
5 years and nothing but concord to show for it
lmao

>>712671349
Mario

I still find it baffling that outside of resolution and framerate targets, none of the new games look notably better than PS4's best AAA games.

It's no wonder publishers are still releasing games on it when that hardware is more than good enough for 1080p/60/30 for the vast majority of use cases. Switch 2 being souped-up PS4-era visuals only further cements it.

>>712670871
>muh cores
It only had the one though

>>712676282
Cloud gaming is the most forced technology of the decade. "I want to access my game library but I'm away from my couch!" is not nearly as big of a problem as Sony and Microsoft think it is. And even if it was, Nintendo has that market locked up.

I haven't even turned my PS5 on in over 6 months

>>712676231
>What the hell happened?
The myth of perpetual growth and increasingly aggressive monetization efforts, culminating in "live services" and an emphasis on "player engagement". Also, western games at their cultural high still kinda sucked relative to the comparatively basement dweller shit of the 90s and early 00s. I mean, I'd rather play System Shock 2 than Bioshock any day.

>>712676148
Yep. Thats pretty accurate and I say that as a PS5 wonder from day 1.

I even stayed up till 3 am to preorder it. Yet the console has seen maybe a total of 300 hours of me playing it. It's quite honestly worse then the PS Vita by usage.

I obviously own a PC and Switch too. So it's quite literally utterly pointless. And even Capcom for example stooped pretending, I would have double bought MH Wilds like I did MH World. But they just released it day 1 on PC making it totally pointless.

I had high hopes for FFXVI but it was honestly meh.

>>712676168
How does it get worse than this? I don't really care about the money if the PS5 was 2000€ I would have still gotten it but it's pointless as a machine for me.

Like I bought 50+ PS3 games, I bought 30 PS4 games, I bought 50+ Nintedo Switch games. And my entire total for PS5 is 10 games.

Unicorn Overlord
FFXIV
Demons Souls
Death Stranding
Judgment 1 and 2
Astro Bot
Elden Ring (When it came out I still had a 1070 GTX)
God of War
Horizon

I have 0 faith in Ghost of Yotei being good. Not getting in unless it's a big sale
I'll get Death Stranding 2 because I want to suck Kojibos Dick

Am I missing anything? By the time PS6 comes out I'll have bought 12 games total.

>>712676341
>>712672759

>>712673074
If there were more compelling first party titles, and had full legacy BC, then I would fully agree with you that it's the best PS system since 2 and 3
It is actually a pretty damn nice system held back by the current competency crisis across the industry.
Now that family's played Rebirth and I beat Astro, Granblue and Shadow Generations, mine is basically just a PS4 Pro+ until something else shows up, and I didn't really have much on PS4 either and this is just me playing catch up just slightly enhanced.

>>712676380
I wanna play it fresh without any kind of spoilers, not just the story.

>>712669235
You are gonna play black spiderman and you will like it!

>>712669235
Returnal is p. litty (also on PC)

>>712676452
To be honest finally getting 60 fps in most normal titles is good enough but that about the same thing we can expect from the PS5.

I imagine competitive games will be 120 fps now that most TVs actually do 120 fps with VVR.

And finally 4K60 will be normal it still isn't for the PS5.

>>712676003
Yea, that's a big problem. Personally, I think consoles are on their way out. The main reason why people get them is for exclusive content and PS5 doesn't have that anymore.

Nintendo's success is due to that stream of exclusive content you cannot find anywhere else. But Nintendo will also have trouble keeping that supply of content going to keep a large enough audience engaged.

Because if you look at the steady growth of of Steam, mobile phones, or platforms like Robolox, the console paradigm doesn't compete all that well anymore. It's just so much easier to play a game on your PC/smartphone/last gen console.

>>712676696
>How does it get worse than this?
Those remaining live service projects still have to resolve their fates. Fairgames isn't out yet, Marathon isn't out yet, God knows what else they've tried that hasn't already halted development and wasted however much time and effort that went into them.

>>712669235
Every 3rd party

>>712676607
>Bioshock
That was a game that was considered amazing in the 360 days but now you barely hear about it. I think western devs are behind because they are still in the mindset that Bioshock was the GOAT and they haven't moved on. Many games I see out of the US feel stuck in the past.

>>712669016 (OP)
TLOU remake.
TLOU 2
TLOU 2 remaster

Idk man i think ps5 had good games

>>712676998
It still is the thing that if you can do 4K60 on a PS6, it'll likely scale down to 1080p/30 on a PS4. Just developers would re-learn how to fucking stream textures again to deal with 8gb of ram, unlike modern PC where they go "Yeah everyone has 16gb of ram + 12gb of discrete VRAM.......what do you mean nVidia is still primarily selling 8gb cards?".

>>712669016 (OP)
For Sony yeah, PC and Nintendo have been great.

>>712669016 (OP)
Who the fuck wants a PS6??

>>712672759
Lisa's law will be fun
"If you need more performance, you just add more chips"

I feel like I only just bought a PS5 why are they thinking about a PS6 already?

>>712677053
Well we do know that they tried last of us live service or multiplayer and that failed massively. Cost of that one is unknown but has to be 100 mil or more.

They got Wolverine still going questionable how that will turn out.

>>712677181
Also on PC making it a pointless console if you not a kid that can't afford to pay more then 500$/€ for hardware.

>>712677271
Wonder how PS5 would have been if Sony didn't cuck that region on supply (and a delayed launch) to sell more units in US/EU for its launch window.

>>712669235
this entire gen was pretty pointless

>>712677391
Most people don't want a PC.

PS6 is going to need a new storage medium, since BDXL's 100gb discs isn't enough for modern devs' laziness, clearly.

>>712677271
Japan has always favored handheld consoles. This isn't a PS5 issue. Its a Japan issue.

>>712670959
Why isn't GTA 6 coming out 6/6/2026?

>>712677562
They could just do what Nintendo has done and make it easy for lazy developers to just sell a key card.

>>712677562
>$100 games that come on their own hard drives
Welcome back, SNES.

>>712669626
no

>>712677562
Blurays still cost nothing, it's just insane greed if they can't throw in 2-3 blurays, 1-2 install blurays, 1 play bluray.

https://www.irwebmeeting.com/sony/vod/20250613/x8R5srwN/bsm_02_en/1_GNS/fireside_chat/index.html

About 14 and a half minutes in, straight from Hermen's mouth - live services aren't going anywhere. Concord was just a learning experience. Fucking hell.

>>712677749
But aren't you glad they told the investors they're gonna try to make sure Concord doesn't happen again?

>>712670229
The PS4 was a let down too though. Besides Bloodborne I barely played it, stuff like Neptunia or whatever else I owned like Fallout 76 was on other platforms anyway

>>712677686
PS5 discs already are just a key card. Just they include most of the game data since you have 100gb sitting there to use as it is, an then you have to download the other 30-60gb.

>>712669016 (OP)
Serious question: why? They already far outsold the Xbox and Switch2, which just came out, is at least 2 generations behind from a tech standpoint. Why abandon your large install base for a new console already? You would think they would want to keep supporting the PS5 as long as possible.

>>712677749
Live Services are a flawed concept because they're part time jobs that offer infinite content. Why should I drop one live service I've poured hundreds of hours and dollars into and pick up another, just to start at the bottom? Single player games eventually run out of content to keep you buying the sequels.

>>712669016 (OP)
Last generation I will buy a console at launch. PS5 generation feels like it never happened.

>>712677810
Mobile gaming in Japan is literally Pac-Man.

>>712677496
>Most people don't want a PC.
Globally, most people game on their phones. And the only markets where consoles are bigger than PC are the US/CAN/AUS and maybe the UK.

>>712677749
>live services aren't going anywhere.
Playstation is dying and games like Roblox is killing it.

>>712671325
https://isthereanydeal.com/
Still much cheaper even if your choosing to moralfag over licenses.

>>712678224
It's impressive how much US spends despite their paltry population compared to the Asias. God forbid if India starts having free spending money for games though, it'd ruin the industry and cater to them exclusively.

>>712669016 (OP)
I agree, video games are in a crisis but especially console gaming.
I predominantly play on consoles, PC is solely for FPS and RTS.

There isn't enough young blood to replace the older audiences who stopped playing video games.
This is also partially why we have all these remakes of 5-6th gen games. This is when gaming was at its peak profit.
Younger generations have different habits, they basically just play Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox etc forever this is why software sales are nowhere near where they used to be.
PC gaming has eaten into their profits

The PS6 one hope is basically praying that Microsoft exits the hardware market and gains the 25-30 million Xbox user base. And even with this scenario the situation is bleak because the drop off is huge.

>>712669016 (OP)
oh boy can't wait for more re-releases and """"next-gen"""" remasters!

>>712677974
PS4 was a glorified multiplat box and people forget how free of a victory it was handed prior to launch. It is the recipient of probably the best optics a console launch could ever hope to get - they sat still and did nothing while the world around them burned down. Still, there was more effort put into PS4 - thinking Killzone Shadow Fall, Infamous First Light, Bloodborne, Last of Us II (lol), The Last Guardian, Until Dawn, Ghost of Tsushima. Hell, it had The Order 1886, I guess? I dunno, not too much to write home about at all but it's not AS dead as PS5.

>>712678071
>Why abandon your large install base for a new console already?
Because people have left Playstation so they're reaching the upper limits already and they're already milking their fans as much as they can. To make MORE money they have to sell another console. They also don't want to sit on PS5 for a few more years when Switch 2 is out. Same reason why they're making a handheld again, it's to counter Nintendo.

>>712678118
Pretty much, it's a gold rush where the great victors have pretty much already been determined. There's not much gold left in them that hills.

>>712678441
>Same reason why they're making a handheld again, it's to counter Nintendo.
You know what would be a better way to counter Nintendo? Making good exclusives.

>>712678441
They could just focus on developing more games that don't take an entire fucking console generation to finish.

>>712678348
The Chinese could spend more, but their social security programs suck ass, so they basically have to save half their paychecks to try and help take care of their parents. And the don't trust their stock market so they dump all their money into real estate which has been in collapse for years now.

>>712677749
The soulless business fucks insist on this shit as they want their infinite money printer

>>712678627
Nah, Sony is too addicted to the idea of a money printing live service game.

>>712669016 (OP)
more like
>inside belly

>>712677496
even the japanese are starting to get into PC gaming nowdays.

>>712677617
because is Saturday

>>712669016 (OP)
Why is a Korean the CEO

>>712676391
if you haven't noticed not one single console had notable games

>>712678604
It took Nintendo decades to get where they are and Sony already don't have exclusives, the second they started porting single player exclusives to PC they basically lost in my opinion, live service games wouldn't have mattered.

>>712678627
It's not like they can reverse how much they're spending, they've tried to make smaller games in the past and such and I don't think any of those games were that successful.

>>712678826
They are overwhelmingly. It's spliting into Handhelds and PCs. With the PS5 being left behind.

One trip to Yodobashi or BIC Camera will anywhere will show you a massive PC gaming part with PS5 taking up the minority of a stores gaming compared to Switch and PC.

>>712678826
I'm not obsessed with Japan so don't make my decisions based on them

>>712678978
>snoy has his head in the sand because nintendo triggers him

>>712678364
>The PS6 one hope is basically praying that Microsoft exits the hardware market and gains the 25-30 million Xbox user base. And even with this scenario the situation is bleak because the drop off is huge.

Very bleak, because if you compare the total number of PS5/XS consoles right now to the total number of PS4/X1 consoles launch aligned, it's a clear decline of about 25%. The XS is doing half as well as the X1, but PS5 is only doing about the same as the PS4. People are leaving the console ecosystem and not coming back.

Now, you could say they're going to NIntendo, but I haven't read anywhere that consumers are choosing between Nintendo and PS/Xbox. Typically, I hear people have both Nintendo and either PS/Xbox/PC. But even with Nintendo, it's hard to see the Switch 2 selling as well as the Switch 2 over its lifecycle. It's just going to be a very high target to hit.

>>712679020
>it doesn't count!!
kek

>>712678364
wouldn't the xbox users migrate back into PC? I swear Microsoft offers, or at least offered, you a way of playing your xbox titles also on PC.

You have to be a genuine retard to still buy consoles

>>712678498
They'll just keep cycling through multiplayer genres chasing the infinite money until every genre is either dead and buried or a second MMO boom happens somehow.

>>712673074
>The PS5 as a whole was still a better machine than the PS3
Delusional.

Say what you want about the Cell (and rightly so), but the PS3 had games. You can't say that about the PS5 generation.

>>712679037
ofc it's a tendie
lmao

>>712679145
>but the PS3 had games
Oh, how the times change.

>>712679202
yep thats a snoy seething and pretending theres no good games just because his god is dying

>>712679314
>only nintendo has good games because i love my corporation
how's that boot taste?

>>712679047
Nintendo have obviously gained users, they wouldn't be able to outsell the PS2 without that.

>>712677271
>PS4
>Does slightly better than the Playstation Portable 2
Grim.
>All of them do worse than the PS3
Double Grim.

>>712677749
Chasing Live Service is killing the games industry and you know what? GOOD. Fuck them MBAs.

>>712677591
>>712677810
explain how the PS4 has similar sales than the Switch and it beat the Wii U.

>>712679418
the whole world has gained gaming users
the industry has gotten bigger year after year
especially with china now entering the ring

the comparison of old tech sales with new ones aren't saying anything

>>712678498
>here's not much gold left in them that hills.
It's either keep mining or go into another business and the later is harder. Besides, if you look at some of the most played live service games, not all of them were the earliest ones.

>Dune
>Nightreign
>Delta Force
>Rust
>Naraka
>Marvel Rivals
>Helldivers 2
>R.E.P.O.

It's not all that different from when other video game genres and franchises dominated the marketplace in years past. Upstarts had to find niche markets and prove different gaming experiences to catch consumer attention. And in time, some of those upstarts ended up becoming the market leaders. Eventually, some of those market leaders will slip up and a new upstart will take their place. At least, as long as the market leaders don't become monopolies.

>>712678604
Hell, porting to PC would help them. BUT their PC ports are atrociously bad performing because they don't have more than Nixxes for porting their shit to PC.

Only Guriella by proxy of KojiPro is doing decent PC ports and that's because Kojimbo had black magic coders for his Fox engine before licensing Guriella's Decima for Death Stranding.

>>712677749
>Concord was a massive failure
>The lesson learned is to just keep trying
There are no words.

>>712679417
>all the games are bad because they aren't on playstation!
cultist

>>712679610
>the whole world has gained gaming users
This new user base does not have the same habits as the old one.

>>712679610
>the whole world has gained gaming users
and the PS5 lost users kek

>>712679767
you lack reading comprehension, ESL

>>712679748
PS6 launch is going to be glorious

>>712679610
this cope fails when you look at PS5 flopping

>>712679853
where does it say that the ps5 flopped?

>>712679418
Nintendo gained users with the NES, but the SNES sold worse. Nintendo gained users with the DS, but the 3DS sold worse. Nintendo gained users with the Wii, but the Wii U sold worse. And this is just Nintendo. I could do the other consoles as well.

Console transitions have always been a very risky periods for console makers. The Switch 2 trying to replicate 150M+ sales over 8 years with almost every Nintendo software product hitting historical franchise highs on the Switch is going to be very, very hard.

>>712679582
I don't understand the question, but here's another graph that shows the dominance of the mobile platform.

>>712679837
The PS6 is going to be the PS5Pro2.

>>712679956
Yet Switch2 oversold the Switch1 initial sales and it will gain a lot more users since Playstation keeps trying to shove concord tier games and the PS6 will be expensive as fuck, everyone is moving on to PC now.

>>712679748
>Lost $400 million point blank? Drop in the bucket. That ain't shit, HOLD MY BEER.

>>712679261
At least it had Killzone 2-3, Demon's Souls (ported to PS5 I guess), 3D Dot Game Heroes, and a few other titles.

What does the PS5 have that isn't a PS3 port that was ruined?

>>712680145
>I don't understand the question
snoys are so fucking retarded

>>712680190
I'm not disagreeing, I just think it's funny. If you had posted that 18 years ago to the day, you'd be getting a VERY different response.

>>712680145
Arcade bros we are goners.

>>712673874
>Just avoid those threads?
Surely nobody will openly post threads with spoilers in the title/image that appear on the catalogue day one right? never
>filter keywords then
doesn't work and easily bypassable if the intention is to spoil people
>I was able to avoid anything and everything about GTA 5 before it came on PC just fine
maybe in 2013 but not anymore. a game as high profile as gta 6 will have spoilers everywhere

>>712680271
that's just sad man
i loved arcades

>>712669016 (OP)
>pslop 6
a new empty console with saves only in cloud, lmaoooo

PS5 has more games than Switch 1 and 2. This is a fact.

>>712669016 (OP)
Well, it can't be any worse than the PS5.

>>712680184
If initial sales are all you care about, then I would be right to say the PS5 was gonna blow out the PS4 because of how well it initially performed. But that's not how it played out. Go do find a youtube video about the history of video game console transitions over the past 40 years and you'll get a better picture of the dangers.

Also, everyone's not moving to PC. They're moving to mobile. PC has grown mostly cause of global market penetration in areas of the world, like China, were PC already dominated the high-end gaming market.

>>712680459
No it isn't, retard. Check Metacritic. The Switch has more and higher rated games.

>>712679610
It didn't work out for Xbox and Sony's live service isn't appealing to core gamers.
If you think about their strategy and their switch to MAU it's all BS, really. They want to sell people on the console, at least 1 controller, buy a live service game AND pay for PS plus which is insanely expensive. Literally Sony treats PC gamers better, all they gotta do is wait and sometimes not even that. They play Sony games for free via piracy or free online if they buy it on Steam. What Sony is doing doesn't make any sense because the sheep that buys it for sports and COD they'll buy it anyways. But shit like Fortnite is everywhere, nobody needs a Playstation to play that and it's free to play, no need for PS plus. Sony's greed is driving players away.

>>712679956
Completely different situations. Nintendo has gained thousands of employees in the last few years.

>The Switch 2 trying to replicate 150M+ sales over 8 years with almost every Nintendo software product hitting historical franchise highs on the Switch is going to be very, very hard.
They'll have way more and bigger third party games this time around, they won't have do all of the heavy lifting. Switch 2 will be like the PS2 but for Nintendo basically.

>>712680184
Don't understand why Nintendo didn't pump out as much as they could for the S2 launch. Where's Zelda, Starfox, FZero, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Metroid, Pikmin, Splatoon?

I know a few people who bought immediately but they are only playing Mario Kart and trying to tell me BOTW looks 'amazing' now.

>>712669016 (OP)
and its going to get worse
live service ruined video games

>>712680521
Most people went from PS5/PS4 directly to PC, mobile gaming is its own rank because it's not something you buy specifically to game but rather something that you already have.

>>712680470
It would have to be an active, antagonistic effort to be.

Seriously though, this is every fucking big Western studio right now. When Monolith was shut down, they had gone 8 years straight without a single release, I'm shocked WB didn't shut them down sooner.

What's worse is Fable and Perfect Dark were absent this showcase, and they're both 7 years in development. How laboriously SLOW are American studios?

Capcom is 2 fucking office buildings and they've got 3 games lined up next year alone with others in pre-production for the year after that. The Japs are not suffering the same problems.

>>712680664
>Completely different situations. Nintendo has gained thousands of employees in the last few years.

You'd have prove that. Did Nintendo NOT expand its payroll after the NES, DS or Wii? If that even matters. I don't know why expanding Nintendo's payroll would eliminate the possibility that the Switch 2 and its games do not gain the same level of adoption as the Switch 1. Just because you hire more people doesn't mean your games will sell better.

>They'll have way more and bigger third party games this time around, they won't have do all of the heavy lifting. Switch 2 will be like the PS2 but for Nintendo basically.
No one buys the Switch for 3rd party games. They didn't for the Switch 1 and that's what made it so successful. The Switch 1 had lots of exclusive content you couldn't get anywhere else and that exclusive content sold the best. In FY 2024, 80% of the revenue Nintendo earned on its Switch platform came from first-party software sales.

Additionally, 3rd party games are going to where the gamers are and that's not the Switch 2. The Switch 2 now has 3.5M+ customers to sell to. Steam has 40 million daily active users. Roblox has 80 million daily active users. Why would a third-party want to put their game on Switch 2 over the other platforms? Especially when China is the second biggest gaming market in the world and consoles barely sell there?

>>712680946
High resolution graphics and mocap must be the timesink.

>>712669235
>sony makes bloodborne but never ports it
NOOOOO PORT IT SO WE CAN PLAY THE COOL GAME TOO
>sony makes ps5 exclusives come to pc a few years later
HAHAAHHAHA I AM NOW NOT GONNA BUY YOUR SHITSOLE
what can sony do to please you dumbasses?
in all honesty if they didnt start the gen with insulting dmc v and demon souls fans, me included, they would have had a better chance.

>>712669235
maybe. it's a 5 year old console after all.

>>712681283
Maybe they should port the one game people are asking for.

>>712669016 (OP)
The PS5 has been out for almost five years bro.

>>712669016 (OP)
>>712669235

How are they not bankrupt yet?

>>712669016 (OP)
God, I can't wait for the Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2 to completely kill the PS6 and Xbox whatever.

>>712669764
wait one year more for PC DUH

>>712681614
For all the money they're losing, they're staying afloat on subscription revenue. They're actually making money overall, more than previous generations. PS3 was the shaky gen where they actually lost money.

>>712681614
Because they do way more than PlayStation retard, FGO probably pulls them about 1 billion a year alone on gacha as an example. Even if they where only PlayStation, despite losing 400 million on Concord last year SIE was still in the black because of network services, PS5 sales (these have been sold at a profit since launch, unlike previous consoles) and their store front. They are the second biggest company in Japan for a reason anon.

>>712680718
they're going for a marathon, not a sprint
padding game releases is how you should do it

>>712681283
PC niggers will be never be pleased, let them roast in their incel rage.

>>712680835
It's anecdotal to say people move out of consoles and into PC, but not mobile. People could be moving into PC, mobile, or just out of gaming in general. Then there are people who's first gaming device is mobile, but maybe they want to move into PC or console as they get older. Unless you have some surveys or polling that shows that, it's just a guess.

What is happening is the industry have found success and growth in the mobile and PC markets and no longer find it in consoles. That's why fewer devs bother with exclusive deals for platforms and now just go multiplatform. Because people have already moved away from consoles.

Only Nintendo remains in the console realm as a true provider of exclusive experiences, but the cost of accessing those experiences is growing higher as people can play more and more games for free on their existing phones and PCs/Laptops.

The poor of the world cannot afford the rising costs of consoles while the rich of the world can afford to spend unlimited amounts in live service games to show off their wealth in socially-oriented and online connected gaming experiences that are becoming more and more common.

>>712669235
Returnal is the only thing that comes to mind. I really can't think of anything else.

>>712673074
>Too son

Lmao that town in Earthbound Twoson?

>>712681143
>Why would a third-party want to put their game on Switch 2 over the other platforms?
Because Sony and Microsoft can't compete, pretty obvious.

>>712681656
yea bro imma wait a year to play the biggest game of all time

>>712669016 (OP)
It will have 24GB VRAM and PCtoddlers with 16gb gpus will be buck broken.

>>712674006
They tried so hard and got so far

>>712671480
>Keyboard and mouse
I am genuinely constantly in awe at how retarded the general public is. I had some anon tell me PC ports of retro games like Ocarina of Time are bad because controlling Link with a keyboard sucks.
Yes, really. That is how far gone we are.

>>712682537
and somehow will still be 500 bucks

>>712682373
Well, so. I heard, and keep this under your hat, but there's this new platform called "STEAM" and it operates on something called a Personal Computer. I hear they're going to be launching it around Y2K and it's going to have lots of games on it. There's also these upcoming phones that will have NON-PHYSICAL BUTTONS ROFLCOPTER. I can't see them succeeding, but if they do, the tech could be a great place for future video games to be placed.

Where are the fucking games on this machine? There's been zero exclusives worth playing and I've had this stupid thing since launch

>>712682748
Yeah have fun with the walking simulator 2 and GoY I guess.

>>712682850
it has more shooting segments now

>>712682850
>Consoles are dying and PC/Mobile will become ever dominate
EXACTLY! That's what I've been saying.

>>712682613
I've worked in IT for 18 years now and people have only got more disconnected from the PC. Zoomers start office jobs and they don't what 'Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to log in' means. Phones and ipads have fucked these people up.

>>712682752
Nowhere, and they're not coming. Don't fall for the PS6 meme. If you want games get the Nintendo Switch 2. I'm not getting it because hell will freeze over before I pay more than 60 dollars for a game, but that's where the games will be.

>>712682850
>GoY
lmao, I just noticed

Bro I'm still playing on my ps4 ;_;
>>712669235
No

>>712679748
>We are not wrong
>Let's go full retard with this strategy
Lol

Why does any of this matter when people are gonna buy it anyways? People bought a Switch 2 with one game, they're gonna buy a PS6 with no games. It doesn't matter, the market's too large at this point and people will buy it anyways because it's the new thing. The people on /v/ and Twitter aren't any notable majority at all.

We can sit here and say it's nonsense and that it's weird to even think of a PS6 when the PS5 doesn't have that many games in the first place (and like two true exclusives in the form of DeS and Astro Bot), but the company wouldn't be thinking of it if they didn't expect it to work. They don't even have to have games, they can just release a new console, get the usual people to buy FIFA, Call of Duty, and Fortnite, and then subsist entirely off of subscriptions. People bought that shit up when the PS5 had nothing and they're gonna do the exact same when the PS6 comes out.

>>712682998
Would it be easy for me to get a job in IT if I'm better with computers than these other tards? Or is it too late?

>>712683620
>and they're gonna do the exact same when the PS6 comes out.
I won't, and that's what matters to me

>>712683734
>Or is it too late?
its too late, the IT job market got totally fucked by AI and importing jeets

>>712683620
Because you're right and it's depressing. In Switch 2's case, at least Mario Kart is Nintendo's actual best selling franchise so that one makes some sense. It's the Nintendo equivalent of launching a Playstation with a new numbered GTA, it's gonna go over pretty well.

>>712683813
Fuck!
Guess I'll continue to be a neet.

>>712679261
Yes, the "PS3 has no games" meme comes from the first three years of the generation, it wasn't true by the end

>>712683823
The major difference is that people KNOW that Nintendo will release more games. You can count the amount of games Playstation has released on your hands and many of their dates keep getting pushed back

>>712671261
ESL

>>712684330
>The major difference is that people KNOW that Nintendo will release more games.
That used to be the case with Sony, once upon a time.

>>712684317
PS3 had more games at launch than the PS5 and any Sony console after it will ever have, combined. How the times change, indeed

>>712684419
hey, they still can
PS6 will have
>bloodborne 2
>astro bot 2
>ghost of tsushima 2
>spider-man 3
>new ratchet and clank
>helldivers 3

>>712683620
>People bought a Switch 2 with one game
For every single person who skipped Switch or are simply new to Nintendo in general they're getting an insane amounts of games. I think last time I checked BOTW/TOTK are trending in the top sellers on the eshop. People who bought BOTW/TOTK don't have any reasons to buy those. The amount of FUD about the "poor launch" is crazy when there's a second exclusive the second month anyways. Nintendo always announces their stuff closer to launch. The one big exception I can think of is 3D Zelda, that's always hyped up for years.

>>712684525
Vita of all platforms actually didn't have the worst launch lineup. It had a lot of problems aside from that, but they did try to come out swinging day 1.

https://blog.playstation.com/2011/12/22/playstation-vita-launch-lineup-and-details/

This shit had Uncharted, Wipeout, Hot Shots Golf and Lumines day 1. Not awful.

>>712670134
Documents from the actiblizz lawsuit said they were planning 2027 for the ps6, and literally everything that's come out since, leak or official statement, has supported that timetable

>>712684870
>PS5 and any Sony console after it
By that I meant any future consoles after the PoS5.
Vita means life, and yes, it did have games. Killzone Mercenary shows what could've been...

>>712684551
>PS6 will have
*Also on PC, so, pointless.

>>712675008
It's really sad that back in the old days a company could spend a lot of money funding lots of projects and if some projects were commercial failures at least we still got to play them.

Now they just burn a lot of money for a couple of live service games that die quickly or that won't even release.

>>712684419
They got rid of the only studio that actually made games, JapanStudio. Now all they have are western studios that are trying to pander woke shit as hard as they can. Capcom and SE already dropped the exclusivity deal.
The only 2 games that might be worth getting are a BluePoint remaster of Bloodborne and Astrobot 2 (if you cared at all about the first one).

>>712685354
Have to perpetuate that infinite growth.

>>712677749
>>712677929
I shit you not, this fucker says they "learned from concord's mistakes", and then waffles around and refuses to give any direct answers on what those mistakes were to prove they're even aware of what they were so they can course correct, until finally saying it was because concord "tried breaking into a market that was too crowded". You know, the insanely crowded hero shooters in 2024 market. Population: odorcrotch 2 on life support. The same market marvel rivals EASILY broke into due to a lack of competition. No word whatsoever from Hulst on how marathon is supposedly going to avoid this fate as it goes into the FAR more crowded extraction shooter market.

>>712685365
They didn't get rid of Japan Studio, all the main brains left and then they got rebranded into Team Asobi, who ended up making the closest thing to a game PS5 has. Go fucking figure, right?

>>712671670
now on PC

>>712685428
To say nothing of the most notable thing about Marathon aside from Bungie's name - the controversy surrounding its stolen art assets. September's gonna be interesting.

>>712669016 (OP)
>barely any exclusives after five years
>most of their fans couldn't even buy the fucking console for the first two years of its lifecycle because of scalpers and supply chain issues
>wastes billions of dollars on live service games with racially diverse obese characters that nobody wants to play
>increases the price of PS+ every month while requiring it just to play online
>normies are willing to pay $80 for Nintendo games because they have established IPs with likeable characters and polished gameplay, Sony thinks people will actually pay the same amount for tranny walking sims like The Last Of Us 3 and Horizonslop
New Consore coming soon, prease understando, that'll be $699.99+tip+tax+tariff+foreskin+jizya, gaijin

>>712671591
It's only called that by people who can't play the game.

>>712678118
Because of stupid whales.
They can afford to lose a lot of the userbase if some whales stay.

>>712685994
>increases the price of PS+ every month while requiring it just to play online
The sad thing is that this worked. Subscriptions are the money maker for modern Playstation.

>>712671349
TLOU needs to be put to rest and just show up as the occasional cameo in games like Astro Bot.

>>712686246
TLoU has more remasters than actual entries at this point. By PS6 it'll have more re-remasters.

>>712673993
Wisest thing is to just buy consoles at the end of their cycle. A bunch of niggas are just buying ps4s

>>712685515
A mario clone was the laziest thing they could do, and this released immediately after the whole Concord thing so it makes sense people would appreciate an actual game, the problem is that they'll probably just spam Astrobot stuff because that's the only thing they have left other than remakes.

>>712686451
>and this released immediately after the whole Concord thing
It also released after years of PS5 having no games.

>the problem is that they'll probably just spam Astrobot stuff
Very likely, yes.

>>712686418
Yep. Did this with PS3 right before PS4 launched and that motherfucker was a better buy than any 8th gen option for about 3 years.

>>712686225
its interesting how people don't look at their bills anymore
they could increase it by 10 dollars every month and people wouldn't even know

>>712678668
The Chinese are the anti-chuds. Instead of "nothing ever happens" it's "anything could happen at any moment", so they refuse to spend.

>>712686821
The rich don't mind.

>>712674774
>As a PS4 owner I'm so happy I didn't buy a PS5. It would be the worst mistake ever if I did.
You must live a charmed life.

>>712685114
Oh no

>>712671245
>>712671459
Wouldn’t loading from disks be slower than the ps5’s proprietary super ultra fast SSD?
Why even buy a ps5 if you’re not going to make the most of it

>>712674774
Based
PS4 was the last sony console I've gotten and its done nothing but collect dust
Switched fully to PC and switch and I'm all the better for it

>>712669016 (OP)
Covid, scalpers and the live service gamble really fucked the PS5. If you have a PS4 Pro or PC, there is very little reason to get one because nearly every PS5 game is available elsewhere and Sony all but gave up on developing games that aren't bloated AAA messes thanks to GAAShit.