>Game is set in the future
>Has Faster Than Light travel
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics

Seriously i cannot think of any space setting that doesnt have FTL. It's so creatively bankrupt

*folds piece of paper*

Does anyone have a pen?

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
It's so important in Mass Effect that they named the series after it.

without FTL you don't have space games

>>712726187 (OP)
>Remove FTL travel
>It now takes 1000s of years and cryogenic sleep / biological immortality to get anywhere
Wow, so creative Op

>>712726187 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
Check
Mate

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
plenty of games do

>>712726517
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot
Check
Mate

>>712726187 (OP)

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
What if you didn't have geocentrism for breakfast?

My space game will not have ftl, just the ability to distort time perception where biologically immortal characters slow down their thought processes to make it feel like 1 billion years was a couple minutes
And it's a core gameplay aspect to use the mouse wheel to adjust time perception according to the situation

"Muh realism" faggotry must be some kind of attention deficit diagnosis.
>You want to tell a story that involves aliens but have not modeled an accurate representation of their DNA analog and published a paper on your theory?
>Yea, maybe Sci-Fi isn't for you sweetie

They usually do, even if it's junk science or non-sense.

Mass Effect's is funny because it doesn't make any sense in a junk science way, mass effect field makes a giant ship have almost no mass and that allows the ship to jump faster than the speed of light like the biggest issue is the mass of an object. I think somewhere it says that the object is given negative mass, but that would still not allow the object to move faster.
Star Trek supposes the ability to break off from regular space time and keep normal matter in bubble and that they essentially phase into a different plane of existence where you can move faster than the speed of light and then return to regular space. That also handwaves time dilation.
I personal only care if they make up something, even if it's like 'some magical element or thing' allows the FTL travel, we obviously haven't cracked practical faster than light travel so I don't expect some computer geek to crack it so their game makes sense

>>712726187 (OP)
Either you resort to FTL or you scale down the setting to something suitable for humans.

>>712726187 (OP)
Look. not everyone wants to engage in autism that is interstellar space travel without FTL - although we could use more single-system settings, they are big enough by themselves - and trying to go beyond vague in explaining how your FTL works is an exercise in futility, because no one is interested in reading wrong pseudophysics papers.

>>712726187 (OP)
Its always handwaved for one reason. We're going to figure it out. Its a foregone conclusion we'll figure out a way to do it. Humanity doesn't give a shit if light supposedly has a limit of how fast it can travel. We're going to go faster. We don't give a fuck, we're doing it. And so every science fiction game does

>>712726517
Not alot of games use the "break off some space and make it go fast" explanation. I can't think of one, the Alcubierre drive is based on star trek but using actual physics to make it theoretically work but star trek's travel is different since they suppose the existence of "sub-space", which we haven't seen any evidence of.

>>712726730
>The stellar age runs out after a few minutes of travel because you slowed down your personal time for too long and the stars all burned down
Congrats. I hope your endgame deals with the colonisation of neutron stars.

>>712726187 (OP)
Futurama already solved this dilemma. Scientists simply increased the speed of light.

>Game is set in a magic fantasy
>Wizards can teleport
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics

>Future setting has magic but it's ok because it's called 'psionics'

>>712726187 (OP)
do you want to be suffocated by the thought that this is the final extent of the human species or do you want some escapism

>>712726187 (OP)
It takes 3 days to get to the moon, it takes 9 months to get to Mars. What sort of space world do you want to exist without impractical speeds? Sounds like a boring fucking game, you retard

>>712726941
Actually yeah, and even those are dying and that's another huge plot point

>>712726905
I personally don't believe we will. The Dark Forest is real. Transhumanism, immortality and millennia-long travel is the only way humanity could expand beyond the Sol system.

>>712726187 (OP)
The simple explanation is that space is 99% fucking nothing, so you have to speed up travel beyond light speed so it doesn't take the characters years or centuries to make it anywhere.

>>712726945
Futurama solves it twice, they also have the ships push all of space around their ships too. The ships in Futurama stay motionless when they're traveling in space

>>712726187 (OP)
Do you need Batman explaining to you too?

>>712727030
You'd think, but we will probably send at least some people past Mars so that they can lose all their muscle mass and get radiation poisoning while taking photos of Jupiter's moons or something.

>>712726187 (OP)
FTL (And all instantaneous speed interstellar communications) breaking relativity are kind of required to make any sort of space game functional. Like it's incomprehensible how big space is.

Lets talk about the real crimes like 2 dimensional tactics and blockades in space.

>>712726730
That sounds actually retarded. You can't have any progress in a setting like that and anything done in a world where you have wait billions of year to go anywhere would be one without a cohesive setting. Why even do sci-fi at that point?

>>712727101
What's the value of showing the last stages of life in the universe? You know it's just going to end with everyone ducking into simulations with massive time dilation so that every real time second feels like a year to the occupants.

>>712727142
It's also a way to completely dodge the whole time dilation problem.

>>712726187 (OP)
>laws of physics

Current Laws of Physics.
We know very little about the universe, we just make conjectures based on what we know now.

>>712727208
rounding error

>Female pilot
>Can flawlessly navigate asteroid fields and break the laws of physics
>"Where did you learn to fly like that?"
>"I grew up with 4 brothers"

>>712726187 (OP)
Firstly, not everything needs to be explained. Secondly, a lot of settings DO explain how their fancy FTL engine breaks physics. So what the fuck are you even complaining about?

>>712726710
12 year old me would have been able to jack off to this image, now I can't bust without watching 4k tranny gangbangs with multiple videos going on multiple monitors.

>>712726187 (OP)
Do you play games with real sized worlds? GTA isn't even sci-fi and it has an entire state the size of a small county, if GTA was scaled correctly you'd have to drive 3 hours do any of the missions. The mission where you go from bum fuck North to the city would be a 8 hour misson

>>712727548
OP's favorite game is Desert Bus.

>>712727490
Would your uncorrupted mind even associate pictures of eggs with sex? You fail to realize you didn't always associate flesh tones with naked bodies until you watched so much porn.

>>712726187 (OP)
man current day /v/ threads are so fucking dogshit
literally 2% good threads 98% dogshit

>>712727349
Yeah, that would also be a massive issue for any sci-fi setting. Midwits need to understand that plausible deniability is how sci-fi even exists as a genre instead of trying to nitpick it based off current understanding of physics.

>>712726361
In the expanse, too

>>712726187 (OP)
If they could explain it, we could build it even today.
You retarded fucking sperg

>>712727490
Don't forget the phonk tracks and earlicking asmr.

i'm not excited with the idea of humanity going to space desu. it's just gonna be more wageslaving for corpos and rabbis just with a different environment.

I remember some game that had like the universe imploding so now space is really small so going to mars is like a 20 minute drive. It was some DOS game, I still remember that being stupid because you still had to go into space and stars flew passed to get to Mars and the alien worlds and stuff.

>>712727693
Nigger that is EXACTLY what he’s saying

Energy is not equivalent to mass. Spacetime doesn't exist, time exists because the universe has a spin, like all particles do. This spin is due to photons, which also have a spin, which come from Let There Be Light, which proves genesis is literal. Quantum mechanics is slowly proving that everything is not relative, culturally relative, but that everything is unified under God. This was proved in the double slit experiment. The Schrodinger Equation proves that we have eternal souls, free energy is real, and that we live in a firmament. Reminder that all of physics is built on partial differential equations, which intentionally remove confounding variables to delete God from the integral. NeilDegassy Tyson worshippers might seethe real hard at these truths, to which I say, who are the happiest people? Are they quadruple vaccinated No Kings protestors, or are they children of Christ?

>>712727693
I mean pre-internet I was jacking off to the fuzzy spice channel, so absolutely.

>>712727913
You do realise that the corpos can genetically alter you so that serving them feels like sex to you, right?

>>712727441
You should write for Marvel

>>712728065
>pre-internet
>Pre
>Internet
You fucking existed before the internet?

>>712728051
Religious larp isn't funny since 2010, bro

>>712726960
magic, nigga

>>712726709
You forgot

>get in spaceship
>travel at 99.99% the speed of light
>turn on flashlight
>flashlight is now 199.99% the speed of light

(Inb4 "that's not how relativity works" from angry nerds)

>>712728395
Sorry, but you can't say that word here. Be respectful. Be better.

>>712726187 (OP)
Without FTL travel it would be impossible to get to other planets or galaxies in a reasonable time
Just makes sense to have it for anything that goes beyond the scope of Earth

I'll be schizo here.
Humanity used to be able to travel faster than light, without the need for external technology. Notice how technology is advancing, humans are degrading with it. Look at how weak and dumb and technology reliant zoomies and gen alphas are and how they fail to grasp the most basic of tasks.
Even in the relatively young vidya industry we use lost technology as a meme, where older games were made with greater, now lost knowledge leading to superior products.
And the further we go back in time, the less reliant humans were on tech to live a fulfilling creative life, and stronger the spiritual connection was between the individual and the universe.
The bodies and spirits of our grandparents are greater than ours. They actually know more than us and can actually manipulate the fabric of world way more easily than us with just their bare hands.
Then suppose we look back even further with this pattern in mind. Just take a look at the architecture and art of old.
I feel like history classes are lying to us, and medieval people were more advanced than us, thanks to the individual's soul being strong. Ancient civilizations were even more advanced than medieval ones. And we come to the stone age, with so called cavemen. They were in peak physical and spiritual condition, at one with all of creation, and I firmly believe they were not only able to travel as souls faster than light, but create galaxies and dream beautiful worlds into reality. That is the truth about cavemen without technology. They didn't need it, and it actively sabotages us as a species since its inception. Discard technology, strengthen your souls, anons, and conquer the stars with your will and spirit alone.
Welcome to Soulpunk.

>>712726187 (OP)
they are too low IQ to make a space game without FTL

i posted it in another thread, but a space game would be limited by speed of light travel, and travel between star systems would be like ~5-10 years, similar to how medieval people traveled between Rome, Baghdad and China (like Marco Polo)

of course to make a story like this you need to have a general broad knowledge of science and history

all FTL travel (including wormholes) would break causality and would result in "time travel" occurring (since time runs differently for various observers and in various locations)

of course that's just if you want a real hard-sci story, for fantasy-sci-fi it doesn't really matter

>>712728418
The light from the flashlight would actually slow you down if not come back and hit you

>>712728051
It's always funny to me how christians make this gigantic leap from "God is real" to "God is real and that must mean that all the bullshit some bronze age middle eastern cult members wrote about their tribal idea of God must be real too"

Remember, Jesus never wrote down any of his teachings and words himself and his apostles themselves admitted in the gospels they wrote that he constantly corrected them and was disappointed by how unreliable and stupid they were. But the moment he died, we are now supposed to assume that these incredibly tribal, politically motivated and untrustworthy men became these 100% accurate and trustworthy saints that only cared about spreading the undiluted word of God and were completely above lying? How do you come to that conclusion?

>>712726187 (OP)
RimWorld has a lack of FTL as pretty much the entire thing its setting is built upon

>>712728418
Can an angry nerd explain to me why this isn't true?

>>712726379
This is not actually strictly necessary in a hard scifi. If you are travelling at some high percentage of the speed of light you can travel across the galaxy in seconds, but the problem is that everything else ages thousands of years due to time dilation.

>>712728418
>flashlight is now 199.99% the speed of light
Not how it works. Light must always travel at the speed of light relative to the observer. You see the flashlight photons as moving at light speed. So too does anyone else.

>>712728582
>his apostles themselves admitted in the gospels they wrote that he constantly corrected them and was disappointed by how unreliable and stupid they were.
You seem confident about that. Have any proof?

>>712726187 (OP)
Creatively bankrupt is assuming that muh good boy physicists have any idea what they are talking about and then trying to apply crackpot theories to video games.

>>712728641
cause no pop-sci nigger science man actually explains it (either cause their retarded or think they need to dumb it down to make it more accessible)

here's possibly the best real science explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdycfWfAtsM

>>712728641
Because of relativity. From the perspective of something travelling at the speed of light, the transportation will be instantaneous, you never "travel" you simply teleport (but everything else appears to have aged). From something travelling at almost the speed of light (99.9999999%), anything going 100% of the speed of light will not appear to be going a few meters/second faster, it will appear to be going infinitely faster. It is not that it is actually going much faster from the perspective of a stationary 3rd party observer but the perceptions of time are distorted for those at relativistic speeds. It requires exponentially more energy to go from 99 to 99.9 and 99.99, and infinite energy (IE impossible) for anything with mass to go 100%

>Just want to tell a story about interstellar empire
>...but I don't want to get into details how or why it works, it's just magic

Worked so well in books, why shouldn't it work well in video games? Also, you can't pretend that stories like "Creatures of Light and Darkness" are not as fun precisely because they are so absurdly crazy.

>>712726938
Anything to do with Star Trek does, since the warp drive is based of and inspired by the alcubirre drive.

>>712726846
Generation Ship crew would be happy, like living on a Space village with your friends

>>712727334
>last stages of life
Last stages of life as we define it. Who's to say there won't be completely alien lifeforms operating on a different speed than us and to interact with them, we have to adjust ourselves to them.
You can do so much cool stuff with this final era setting bro, which is what I'm creating.

>>712728903
>want to tell a story about interstellar empire
WHY? What's wrong with solar empire? Or stellar cluster empire? Historically, empires have existed when the travel time from edge to edge was a couple years. Even then, rebellions were common. See South America. Hell, see North America. Lag times in communications and travel lead to cultural identities forming.

>>712728539
(You)

>Man, I really wish that space travel followed our current understanding of physics
No you don't, retard.
https://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

>>712729271
Uh, thanks?

>>712728778
The proof is the gospels, have you never read the Bible despite calling yourself a christian? Jesus always needs to explain to his apostles what he means by his allegories because they never understand them. He predicts that one of his apostles will denounce him in front of the romans because he fears being associated with Jesus. A bunch of times his apostles completely misjudge Jesus' reaction towards an approaching believer who asks something of him. Then there's that story where just before being taken prisoner he goes on top of the mountain to pray to God for the last time and he tells his apostles that came with him to wait for him and stay awake and 2 separate times he catches them falling asleep and disregarding his wishes.

The Bible as we know it was written by men and then compiled and greenlit by a roman council. If God went through all this trouble to incarnate as a human and spread his word, you'd think he would have made sure that that word was written down first hand by Jesus himself and not some Shakespeare bad quarto type of second hand account.

>>712729269
Because that gives authors creative freedom at designing planets, biomes and life forms. With solar empire you are restricted to domed or underground cities because everywhere outside of Earth you have highly hostile environment. Nearby clusters are mostly investigated and even if, that still leave little freedom. With interstellar or even intergalactic (because why the fuck not, at this point you can go nuts unless you put restrictions on yourself like 30ly jump limit in Battletech) you can go full balls to the wall crazy. Only problem comes from most authors lacking sense of scale but at the end of the day, it's still an excuse to write a story.

>>712729515
>The proof is the gospels
Cool then it should be easy for you to prove

>>712728654
>in seconds
Do you know what a light year is? The closest star is some 4 light years away. The galaxy is 100000 light years across. You dumb shit.

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
Turns out the old scientists were wrong, new laws of physics factor in new things and allow it

>>712729192
I think that as things are now, we could find lifeforms like trees spread over worlds or AI distributed throughout star systems. These forms of life would think much slower than us. But at the end of time, you'd want the opposite. Maximal computational efficiency that uses the colder universe to operate optimally from fusion fuel that was gathered throughout the ages. It would transcendental and almost certainly artificial. It would be computers created by once biological life that has long since shed its mortal form to merge with the singularity.

People think we have to colonize a "habitable planet". Stupid bitch. Space habitats are so much easier that terraforming or searching 1000s of lgiht years just to find a planet with the very narrow concentration of gases we evolved to breath as a result of a very specific time in Earth's history. There is way more to be gained by prioritizing the colonization of Titan over K2-18b (which is a vaper vapor giant, not Earth like in any way, DMDS is readily produced in reducing atmospheres, which are most atmospheres in the universe) or some shit

Muh relativity
Muh physics
Midwits posting dissertations here meanwhile kikes are literally casting magic spells powered by ritualistic child murder-rape in the name of Satan forcing synchronicity to manifest

>>712729625
Yeah I just did, I named several separate examples. I don't know the Bible well enough to know the exact paragraphs from those examples by memory, but if you have read the gospels surely what I mentioned would sound familiar to you. The only way you wouldn't know what I was talking about is if you had never read the Gospels at all, but surely that can't be the case considering you are such a devout christian.

>>712729723
And where you can find required raw materials for construction of said habitats, genius? Not to mention constant problems with artificial gravity and radiation.

And in our greedy world, it would be easier to convince investors to fuel colony on actual planet than building space habitat.

>>712729879
>not a single quote
You didn't do shit faggot

Off-world stuff will probably be done exclusively by robots, since information can travel faster than physical matter will ever be capable of. Just deploy ships to distant plants packed with robots and material, detect them land 100 years from now, then have them build whatever structures are necessary to not only perform their primary objective (mine, etc.) but also begin construction on another facility, which will allow them to construct yet another rocket with robots. You just keep doing this until you have a vast network, the intergalactic equivalent of telephone poles.

>>712729879
You are forgetting about numerous transcription/translation errors and "corrections" accumulated over time. Bible we have today is one big mess that takes doctorate to figure out.

>>712729553
Just make it so that there's a greater empire and the story takes place in an enclave or something. Also, only Star Wars does the thing where every planet is a single biome. That's retarded IRL.

>>712730038
>Bible we have today is one big mess that takes doctorate to figure out.
Not really. The King James Bible was made centuries ago and it's fairly well rounded.

>>712730001
This except there won't be a humanity, everything will be done exclusively by robots for robots. Singularity, AI takeover and Judgment Day are inevitable.

>>712726187 (OP)
>>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
You do realize it's fiction, right?

>>712726187 (OP)
"Scientists" literally just made up the speed of light nonsense. If you want to go faster than it, just go faster.

>>712727019
Dominating

>>712729634
I'm not going to do the math for either of you, but he was referring to relativistic effects, which include length contraction. A journey of 4 light years takes at least 4 years according to an external observer but the passage of time and even the apparent distance to that star are different to the guy moving at 0.999c.

suppose there was a mirror in space a light year away, if you looked into it and zoomed really hard, would you see what was happening on earth 2 years ago?

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
>"Activate the FTL Violator!"

>>712729991
Are you retarded or something? Mathew 26, 69. Peter denying that he knows Jesus 3 times before the rooster crows thrice. Read the fucking Bible, you uneducated pseudo christian.

In my game the space travel works through something called the "Tranny Force". It channels the OPs HRT to propel ships at FTL speeds and it can ignore time dilation whenever OP dilates

They should make a space game where all the planets are just really close. I mean it's not any more fiction than FTL travel actually existing existing. There's a way higher chance that humanity spends the rest of its existence on Earth and Mars and FTL travel really was impossible.
Why is it okay for magic and dragons to exist, but even the most fictional of science fiction media refuses to just have planets be a couple hours away from each other and they must all be orbiting a sun or some shit? Why does that need to be familiar, but shooting lightning beams from your hands in a fantasy game is okay?

>>712730460
Why did it take you so long to post quotes? Are you really that mad?

>>712729553
good stories have restrictions on creativity

without those restrictions all stories converge to being the exact same thing and is boring

with FTL restrictions, you could make a story similar to a feudal stellar empire where travel time between stars is 90% light speed, and then read some history books on how feudal systems in medieval times worked, and just superimpose that into a interstellar space setting

or else at the end of the day it's just another star wars/trek clone that we've all seen before

for example dune put a restriction on AI with the Butlerian Jihad, and it's more unique than the usual starslop

>>712730457
yes if everything was 100% perfect like in the thought experiment (of course light scatters and blurs out and loses focus etc...)

>>712730460
>Mathew 26, 69.
Also just checked it. No such thing try again

>>712730535
this is how things actually are in the galactic core thoughbeit where stars are just light-months or weeks/days away from each other

>>712726187 (OP)
>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics
The simplest answer is that Einstein is a hackfraud but the entire field of theoretical physics has been set up to deify him for some reason, so no one is ever allowed to question his theories for any reason even though he's just wrong and the speed of light is not actually "muh speed limit of muh universe."

It shows that they don’t understand time, space, or even travel properly

>go faster than measurements can predict
>still takes years according to… measurements

Retards, light cannot be bested, math can

>>712726187 (OP)
I love how Starfield dropped the pretense of making a ""scientifically accurate"" FTL and just blamed it on a spirit from the future.

>>712730664
>light scatters and blurs out and loses focus
damn, shame

>>712726187 (OP)
space is fake anyway nigga

>>712730786
Yeah i hate it when settings like Warhammer 40k pretend to be hard-sci fi but then they also have FTL that's basically time travel

>>712730257
It's not. I was listening to numerous lectures about bible studies and nobody had anything positive to say about King James version.

>>712730535
like firefly

>>712730890
>settings like Warhammer 40k pretend to be hard-sci fi
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>712730890
what hard sci-fi their space travel is literally magic demon realm

>>712730918
stop listening to kikes then

>>712730535
hell yea, could also be done with a gas giant with 20 earth-size moons in a habitable zone
boom 20 planets a short distance away from each other and great skyboxx too

>>712728654
>but the problem is that everything else ages thousands of years due to time dilation.
Nobody will even make me believe this shit is real I don't care how many PhDs they have

>>712730257
The King James translation was made badly on purpose as a joke. I'm not even kidding, they used overly formal and antiquated English just to make it more difficult for the plebs to read. Even at the time, the language and vocabulary of the KJV was outdated and difficult to parse by design.

>>712730417
>length contraction
Ooooh you fuckwit. Recent studies have shown that it's not what we thought it was. Look up Terrell-Penrose rotation. I'll surmise it by telling you that picture A is what an object at rest looks like, while picture C is what it looks like when passed from the same perspective at near light speed. Objects appear to rotate, which is what accounts for the contraction of lengths.

>>712730539
Because I had to get up from my PC and pick up my Bible and search for it, which was mildly inconvenient for the expected outcome that you ignored the point of the whole argument regardless. When I say that throughout the Gospels, Jesus frequently chastises his apostles for not being very wise or reliable, that's not a "poost proof" type of situation. Everyone who read the Gospels would know what I was talking about without me having to cite a bunch of specific examples. It's simply an overarching theme of the Gospels. That's like me saying that throughout the Odyssey, Odysseus is betrayed or disappointed by the stupidity of his own men and you don't believe me without posting specific paragraphs.

>>712726350
I wish next time this happened in a new show the cast would loudly sigh in unison and roll their eyes.

>Space ship travels faster than light
>Except it never goes faster than light, they just use wormholes
Imagine writing fiction and still be autistic about IRL physics. Just bend space-time my dude.

>>712731129
>studies have shown

>>712730565
Original Butlerian Jihad was much more interesting concept than modern take. No AI rebel bullshit, instead humanity as a whole deciding to reject machines thinking for and this enslaving them in favour of becoming better humans. In very first book, one Mentat points out that Baron Vlad, despite not having any Mentat training, could easily outperform AIs of old. Fictional human evolution did more than technology alone could.

>>712727693
you don't associate flesh colors with naked bodies BUT in combination with the forms these eggs assemble, it's probably quite easy to do even for non porn-riddled minds.

>>712726350
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>>712731172
>Still no quotes
Prove your claims already. All you have to do is quote things you claim to be true.

>>712730918
>I was listening to numerous lectures about bible studies
What? Are you actually serious?

>>712731009
None of them are Jews, stop explaining everything with "da jooos".

>>712728162
Dangerously underaged post.

>>712731291
Nolan directed Event Horizon?

>>712730712
Lmao, you really are retarded, aren't you?

69 Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.
70 But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest.
71 And when he was gone out into the porch, another maid saw him, and said unto them that were there, This fellow was also with Jesus of Nazareth.
72 And again he denied with an oath, I do not know the man.
73 And after a while came unto him they that stood by, and said to Peter, Surely thou also art one of them; for thy speech bewrayeth thee.
74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.

You are a fake christian. You can't even look up a fucking Bible paragraph.

>>712731314
show tiny hat kike fuck

>>712731065
NTA, but time dilation smells like bullshit to me, too. The only "proof" we have for it is that clocks run at different speeds when in orbit compared to identical ones on the ground. They say this is because gravity and speed make the time around the clocks literally move at different speeds, but they have no way to control for the possibility that lower gravity just makes the clock operate differently in some mechanical way. The measurement of time being different doesn't mean the flow of time experienced is different. If a clock is running fast, you fix or replace the clock, you don't assume time around you is literally moving faster, unless that clock is running fast on a satellite in orbit, in which case it definitely proves time dilation!

>>712731297
I just did. And this is just one of countless of examples. Again, READ THE BIBLE, fake christian. At the very least read the fucking Gospels if you want to continue to larp as a christian on the internet, they're short enough that even an illiterate zoomer like yourself should be able to finish them.

Explain how 40k's explanation ISN'T enough.

>>712728641
Because the speed of light is not just a random arbitrary speed limit, and accelerating to relativistic speeds brings out more effects than just "travelling fast".
People often talk about time dilation, but only ever from a very detached perspective. Even considering only time dilation it would highly affect you when travelling at relativistic speeds, in particular when you're observing another object's motion. Applying this simplification to that post's example: the light is "actually" only travelling 0.01% faster than you. But your time is accelerated, so you see that light travelling much, much faster. So much faster that, to you, it's travelling at the speed of light.

The full answer is obviously more complicated. Time dilation isn't just some random effect. Really when travelling at those speeds, the rest of spacetime is effectively compressed from your perspective. The speed of light is, in reality, the speed at which the entire universe is compressed to a single point in both space and time. That would take infinite energy to do, and thus you fundamentally cannot achieve that speed. The idea of travelling faster than the speed of light is therefore impossible at a level so fundamental that the idea of just "going faster" literally just does not make sense. The only reason we can even cognize the idea of moving faster than the speed of light is that our idea of motion and acceleration is actually very arbitrary and detached from reality, and only works at small scales.

>>712731365
>claim someone is retarded
>can't quote something for 10 posts
You sure showed me
Any other quotes? And do be quick your incompetent faggotry is tiring

>>712731235
The picture is literally a real object being passed at different relativistic speeds and recorded by a camera, Sholomo.

>>712731308
Not like I have a choice, my mother listen to such lectures while painting and I have too acute hearing to NOT hear it, even with door closed.

>lol living with mom
It's 2025, when was the last time you checked prices? Even renting at my country cost 2-3x minimal wage.

>>712731552
Explain why you fap to gay shit.

>>712731365
>Peter 69
Just checked. No such thing. Why do you want to look like a faggot so intently?

>>712731626
Why do you think the people in those lectures had a bone to pick with the KJB?

>>712731129
>"Ooooh you fuckwit" just for not reading "recent studies"
Go to hell.

>>712726187 (OP)
That's literally why the genre is called Science Fiction. It doesn't adhere to reality, but has interesting takes on possibilities. The common explanation for travelling faster than light is to "skip" to other locations in space by some means.

You ever watched any 60s-70s cartoons and their hilariously misinformed takes on things like physics, radio waves, radiation or magnetism? Despite the misunderstandings, there was a lot of creativity around whatever understanding they had.

Like, ponder the possibility of "moving freely during a time-stop". You can move freely as though time flowed normally, but what does the stopped flow of time actually mean for interacting with such a world?
You would hear nothing, for there's no movement in the atmosphere to reach your ears.
You would see nothing, as photons are not moving to reach your eyes. If you did see anything, you might be seeing things exactly as they'd stopped, regardless of your interaction with the stopped world.
You might destroy everything you touch, because on relative time scale your mass would be exerting an extreme amount of force in any collisions, at least upon the flow of time resuming.

The other thing about Science Fiction is that it's informed by our current understanding of physics, or at least the writer's own understanding.
Sci-Fi works have served as inspirations for figuring things out, that influence the development of new technologies and deeper understandings of physics.
If something is discovered that does in fact happen, is scientifically sound, and violates the laws of physics, this means that the known laws were not fully formed and become revised and refined. The Standard Model of Particle Physics has been amended over decades with new discoveries, such as the confirmation of the Higgs Boson in 2012-2013.

>>712731532
>"post proof"
That is your only quote. You didn't mention a single book in the Bible. Stay gay and mad

>>712731587
Lmao, I'm not going to continue arguing with someone who has clearly never even read the Gospels why I don't trust in the truthfulness and accuracy of the authors of the Bible. Go read the Gospels and THEN you can at least give it an honest try to defend your religious doctrine online, but you can't defend that which you have zero understanding of in the first place, pseudo christian.

>>712731365
your god is a kike

>>712731129
Also, give me an actual source claiming that Terrell-Penrose rotation actually contradicts the existence of length contraction as pictured in >>712730417 or fuck off.

>>712731956
Confirmed mad and retarded.
All you had to do was make a real quote, but you just shit all over your face and said you won.

>>712728091
why don't they alter themselves to feel bliss for free, instead?

>>712726187 (OP)
I want to make a game about taking the long way on a space journey, taking centuries to travel one light year, you're either a human that would live through the journey by your offspring or a robot that could endure the whole wait
it would be a cozy game

>>712732074
>>712731737

Dude, you don't even know how to look up a fucking Bible chapter. Matthew chapter 26. Just read the whole thing if skipping to verse 69 is too confusing for you.

>>712728539
I like it

>>712731737
just look up "Peter 69".

>>712731915
if your setting has mumbo jumbo explanations for things that work like magic then it's space fantasy and not science fiction

>>712732032
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaOQeGFVHgs
There you go.

>>712732246
>Mathew 26, 69. Peter
Is what you said. I'm not going to make your argument for you. That is up to you

>>712726187 (OP)
it would take tens if not hundreds of years to fly between planets at sublight speeds
the only ways to make a space setting without FTL would work are
1. set the whole story in a single star system, the wider galaxy is just set dressing
2. set the whole story in a single ship flying through interstellar space
3. make the story in a 'greatest hits' format, skipping over decades and centuries at a time

>>712726187 (OP)
That's why it is called science FICTION

>>712732372
damn

>>712732417
He was wrong to write "Matthew 26, 69" instead of "Matthew 26:69," but you're an actual fucking retard for not seeing the period ending the sentence before he started talking about Peter.

>>712732573
The comma and the period were the confusing part you nigger. If you want to have a solid argument you have to not make typos at important places. Your retardation is your fault

>>712726187 (OP)
Plenty of games with FTL explain how they violate the laws of physics, usually they just handwave it as translating into a parallel dimension where distances are shorter, or projecting a bubble that compresses spacetime ahead of itself. What the fuck are you talking about? Name one fucking game.

>>712732747
No one would ever write chapter-period-book like that. There is no world in which it makes any sense to read "69. Peter" as "Peter 69"

>>712733006
Not my job to translate what a retard says. That seems to be yours though.

>>712731674
Cuz yuri is hot. Now it's your turn.

>>712733082
The only retard here is you because you're a 12 year old brown ESL.

>>712726187 (OP)
>i need audio logs explaining how every single piece of technology in this sci-fi world works
this is retarded. you don't even know how everything in the real world works, but you need to know how everything in the fake world works? this is always the most midwit complaint. the amount of knowledge you have about tech in a fictional sci-fi world is almost the same as the amount of knowledge you have about tech in the real world.
>heh erm AKHSUALLY I DO know everything!
no you fucking don't and that's like a caricature of actual real smart people. actual smart people specialize and become extremely knowledgeable in one specific subject and their knowledge in other subjects is the same as yours. if the sci-fi world was real and you lived in it you still wouldn't know how it worked, you'd be posting on future 4chan complaining about how games set in the future future don't explain how teleportation works.

>>712732747
What's so confusing about it? There are no Gospels that go anywhere close to 60 chapters and there is no Gospel of Peter, so obviously the first number must be the chapter, the second number must be the verse. Literally impossible to confuse for anyone who has even the most rudimentary knowledge of the NT and the Gospels.

the sci fi setting that I made up doesn't have ftl, spaceships take thousands of years to move between systems and are all big self sufficient hulks, then they take thousands of years to terraform and colonise planets, leaving systems largely isolated from each other, regions of the galaxy are controlled by different empires and factions but "control" is used rather loosely since it can take a million years for a message to go through the entire empire, so a central power responding quickly responding to anything is basically impossible, people would also live a lot longer though, living 500-1000 years would be pretty normal, and you could be put in cryosleep, where you could also spend thousands of years, it would take a long time for anything to happen but people would also be alive for a long time so it sort of balances out, it would still mean though that systems are basically all self governing and can't really rely on help coming from the outside if something dramatic happens

everyone will die someday

>>712730890
>settings like Warhammer 40k pretend to be hard-sci fi

>>712730890
Well aren't you a stupid fuck?

light speed is not a constant speed.
Light travels at different speeds through different objects.
So if this is true it may also be possible to speed up light.

>game has faster than light travel
>it's actually the unhealthy kind of faster than light travel

>>712733141
Mad projection confirmed

>>712726846
>deploy the genetically engineered catgirls
I'm down for this one

>>712733205
>My argument
Arguments should be clear
>Your argument
If is your job to translate retard jibbles

It might seem crazy to you, but I am sticking to my guns on this one.

>>712733412
No, it's possible to slow down light and then make something else(such as other light) go faster than the slowed-down light. c cannot be exceeded.

>>712733412
>light speed is not a constant speed.
Yes it is. It's one of the only absolutes in our universe.

>Light travels at different speeds through different objects.
Wrong. It takes a longer route through any medium, such as water or air. It still travels at C throughout that route.

Don't you turn into super heated plasma or something and start burning everything around you to crisp with the force of a thousand suns when you start reaching the speed of light?

>>712733585
Yeah yeah, I wrote "," instead of ":" between chapter and verse. Big mistake, argument is now defeated. But answer me this, are you going to read the Gospels now? Because I do find it very pathetic that you never read them while you are pretending to be a christian online.

>>712733412
Nothing goes faster than light because photons have no mass and cannot go any faster than they do. In order to make it go faster, it would have to have negative mass, and that would either make it appear to move backwards through perceptible time, violating causality as it is understood, or delete the photon from our universe as negative mass would generate anti-gravity, forcing spacetime away from itself.

>>712733935
Why do you keep doubling down on your mistake? Is this the hill you want to die on?

>>712733880
Why would that happen?

>>712734063
It was a very minor mistake. Your mistake however was embarassing as fuck. Imagine not being able to look up a Bible quote and thinking that there is a gospel of Peter and that Gospel has 69 chapters, LMAO.

>>712726379
How many solar systems does a setting need?

>>712734309
Why do you keep making excuses for your mistakes?

>>712733880
You're talking about the Unruh effect (also known as the Fulling–Davies–Unruh effect). It is a theoretical prediction in quantum field theory that an observer who is uniformly accelerating through empty space will perceive a thermal bath. This means that even in the absence of any external heat sources, an accelerating observer will detect particles and experience a temperature. In contrast, an inertial observer in the same region of spacetime would observe no temperature.

In layman's terms, if you understand how hawking radiation is emitted from an event horizon, then you can image how traveling at light speed forms an event horizon behind you, which will be emitting radiation while you travel at light speed and release that shit in a massive blast if you stop.

why the FUCK does half the thread consist of two faggots arguing about retarded religious shit in a thread about faster than light, you cunts piss me off and I wish you left my board

>>712726187 (OP)
>ugh not the hecking sciencerinoooo laws

>>712729634
No he's right, the faster you go, the less time you perceive compared to outside observers. A photon for example experiences 0 time at lightspeed as it travels from point to point, making travel from its perspective seem instantaneous.

>>712734465
based, thanks for explaining

>come into thread
>religious newfag spams in bad faith and shits the thread up
sasuga

>>712726187 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
You basically surf on spacetime like it's a wave.

>>712726187 (OP)
>And for my amazing bait thread, I'll just make myself look severely retarded, that'll show'em
Ok bub

>>712734465
Don't forget that as you're moving, everything ahead of you will be blueshifted to an absolute extreme and cook you alive before you even reach your destination

>>712734703
Confirmed mad

>>712726846
All these sound bretty good
Better than wageslaving at any rate

>>712734803
>underage newfagbabble
sasuga

>>712734821
Cyber immortality sounds like absolute hell after the first couple of centuries. Cryo-statis seems terrifying as well, what if something goes wrong and you become aware, stuck in a 100 year long sleep paralysis? The only decent choice is the generational ship.

>>712735045
still no quotes
expected, but disappointed

>>712734709
>requires matter with negative energy density
Pointless mathematical exercise. It's the physicsbro version of "dude, what if?" That thing is never going to be built and anybody who thinks it could be is an idiot. It's about as practically useful an idea as pure mathematics.

>>712726187 (OP)
It's okay you can do it you just go to physics jail for a few weeks.

>>712728051
>Spacetime doesn't exist, time exists because the universe has a spin, like all particles do. This spin is due to photons, which also have a spin
True
>Everything else
Wrong

>>712726187 (OP)
See Terra Invicta

>>712735198
>everyone is the same person
there's that religious psychosis

>>712733440
This is my favorite FTL trope.
In my sci-fi tabletop setting, I do travel by wormholes, and it's like flying through a fractaline tesseract sorta bullshit, so vessels build reality anchors to keep themselves normal and close all the shutters so nobodys head explodes.
Accidents however, while rare, do happen.

Expanse doesn't have FTL (until it does, but then the aliens did it and no one knows how it works).

>>712735049
>generational ship.
Generation ship is so unreliable it might as well be execution for everyone aboard.
We have never made anything more complicated than stacked rocks that has lasted more than a hundred years. Let alone anything electronic lasting more than 30. Then you have to hope the generational game of telephone that the people on the ship have to play with both culture and the maintenance of the ship actually goes well, and they don't get reduced to techno barbarians who don't even know they're on a ship anymore.

The risks of cryo are far, far less.

>>712735651
If two people have the same argument why should I treat them differently?

>>712735742
Cryo straight up kills you, retard, ice crystals forming in your cells turn every part of you to slurry, and anti-freeze is incredibly toxic.

>>712726187 (OP)
>western retard obsessed with realism again
just make games as boring as possible why don't you

>>712733412
>different speeds through different objects.
lmao no, that's because it's reflecting around on the particles of the material and the average time it takes to penetrate fully is perceived as a slower speed when in reality it's all going at light speed

>>712732397
He got real quiet after this...

>>712735742
There was a movie I watched recently, I forget what language, but it was about a crew on a generation ship. The vessel got hit by a little screw that fucked the engines or whatever that skewed them, like, an inch off course from their destination. The movie is all about the complete breakdown of humanity when faced with the infinite void.
If anyone knows the name, please share so other Anons can enjoy it since I forgot.

>>712735910
he's making up arguments for other people because he's fucking retarded

>>712726187 (OP)
FTL doesn't violate any laws of physics, what the fuck is wrong with you? FTL is not the same as motion faster than light.
Anything with mass can't travel faster than light but using wormholes to travel doesn't make the object move faster than light, it just moves the object through a wormhole faster than light would need going the long way. It's cosmic equivalent of hopping a fence to get to an adjacent road instead of leaving the neighbourhood and then going around following the road.

>>712735742
How are the risks in the cryo sleep scenario less? You have all the same technical risks of the ship's electronics malfunctioning as in the generational ship scenario, except no one is awake for maintenance or to notice the problems ahead of time before they become unfixable.

>>712735954
Aniara, probably.

at some point these scifi writers are going to realize light speed isn't that fast. There's like a 2 second delay between the moon and the earth if communication is at light speed

>>712730001
Don't mind me, just ignoring your post for the image.

>>712736190
That's the bitch!

The X series just has them using ancient alien space gates that link sectors of space, there's no FTL Drive that's actually on a ship.

There were jumpdrives, but they just allowed you to teleport to a known gate, still not FTL.

>>712731430
Atomic clocks aren't mechanical clocks, they measure the extremely reliable frequency of atoms with extreme precision, enabling accurate timekeeping at the nanosecond scale and beyond. Their accuracy is not based on mechanical calibration, it's based on the known and unchanging physical properties of these atoms. This is such an accurate way to measure time that our definition of a second is based on it.
These clocks are used for extremely precise time measurements on things like GPS satellites which need to maintain the most accurate positional data possible at all times. Being in orbit, these satellites experience Earth's gravity less intensely than objects on Earth's surface do, which due to gravity's effect on space-time as described by relativity means that objects on the ground experience events more quickly than objects in orbit.
These relativistic effects create a discrepancy not in the extremely accurate measurements but in the extremely reliable physical process being measured, amounting to an error on the order of a few microseconds per day. This is completely insignificant from a human perspective, but for the extremely precise mechanics of orbital communication which requires accuracy within nanoseconds, the effects of time dilation would cause the complete failure of all satellite and orbital networks within hours or days if not constantly corrected and accounted for.

The "atomic clocks in orbit" example is most common because it has some direct relevance to our daily lives that rely on satellites, but relativity and time dilation has been repeatedly confirmed by experiments and observations on Earth too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele–Keating_experiment

>>712730756
Light months is still quite a distance though. Don't light takes like eight minutes to travel from Sun to Earth?
So either colony ships or most of the plot will be in artificial satellites between those planets

>>712735742
This began with a generation ship that effectively turned into techno-barbarians who lost their way. Great book. My waifu Spinner-of-Rope!
>>712736192
You should read anything that goes beyond the paltry moon.

>>712736069
Because in a cryo sleep scenario, once everyone is asleep, you can essentially turn off the ship. You've already accelerated, so the ship is basically an inert tube for the majority of the journey. Very little needs to be maintained. You wake a small crew up maybe a few times during the journey and simply swap out whole motherboards and then go back to sleep.

what do you guys think about aliens

>>712726350
underrated post

>>712735673
..... something like 40k, but with less eldritch beings trying to suck your souls out?

>>712727019
EYE did it best

>>712734574
How do we know that
Did we ask the photon how long it took from its experience
Or is it one of those
"We used science to erase a snails memories" type of grant farm where nothing provable is done

>>712736495
I guess, yeah, now that you mention it.

>>712736316
>Their accuracy is not based on mechanical calibration, it's based on the known and unchanging physical properties of these atoms.
And how do we control for the difference between time itself running at a different speed and gravitational differences just altering those properties of those atoms?

>>712730001
This would be a fun thing to have in your scifi setting, a long-extinct ancient civilization that still has self-replicating AI worker drones which are still mindlessly expanding their little comms bases throughout the galaxy for no real purpose.

>>712728474
Sorry my bad

Sorcery nigga

>>712733412
When people talk about "the speed of light" they mean "c," the "speed of light" in a vacuum, the speed that any massless particle or field effect travels at through empty space. This is the fastest possible speed that anything can happen at.
Light can only be slowed down, there's no possible interaction that can make it move faster. If you want to speed something up you need something that's already moving faster than it.

>>712733983
>Nothing goes faster than light because photons have no mass
If they had no mass they couldn't cause a physical mechanical effect on matter, and they do. They also would simply not exist with no mass.

>>712736316
>Hafele Keating Experiment
wtf, these things aren't at rest, the planet is moving at like 60,000 MPH, and from the perspective of the plane going at 800mph you're also at rest due to zero acceleration

>>712736558
Because time dilation at small scales is already observable. People on the ISS age slower than people on Earth.

>>712736558
yes, math and science proves it

>>712736658
That's basically The Expanse, only instead of robots it's a "protomolecule", basically a bunch of adaptable nanomachines which use organic life to build FTL gate in a system they appear in.

>>712726350
That's hyperspace, not FTL. Fucking brainlet.

>>712736726
>mechanical effect on matter
It imparts energy in the form of heat, causing atomic excitation, which laymen confuse for mechanical energy as a result of mass. Photons are massless, or they would not be moving at light speed.

>>712736658
The chronological ending to the Revelation Space series (what Mass Effect basically stole its story beats from) involves Greenfly, a rogue batch of terraforming nanomachines that drive humanity out of the Milky Way because they turn every 'planet' they come in contact with into a bustling fertile greenland.

>>712736384
They are out there. We'll never meet them because they're too far away. They don't know where we are because we're too far away, and they can't contact us because they're too far away (and they don't know where).

>>712731572
> that our idea of motion and acceleration is actually very arbitrary and detached from reality, and only works at small scales.
That's true for most 'classical' physics right? Sorry, brainlet here, but I like reading smart anons talk about stuff.

>>712736901
>It imparts energy in the form of heat, causing atomic excitation, which laymen confuse for mechanical energy as a result of mass
Retard. That's nothing but spooky action at a distance, it's woowoo bullshit.

The mass of the photon is a = 4mG /r2 = 9.8m/s2

>>712737115
what makes you say that

>>712737223
Or more basically without the spin included,
>2.77 x 10-37kg

>>712736642
"Gravity speeds up time" and "Gravity makes it so that the physical events within this field happen more quickly relative to events outside of it" is a distinction without difference

>>712736784
Welcome to relativity
There are dozens of other experiments you can look into that have confirmed time dilation is real. It is a routinely observed and expected effect. When scientists use particle accelerators to smash atoms together at near-light speed, they can observe the particles they create lasting longer than their expected half-life "should" be because of relativistic time dilation "slowing down" the time experienced by the particle. The same effect can be observed with high-energy cosmic rays scattering in Earth's atmosphere.

>>712726350
in english doc

>>712737115
Honestly, the best we can get. Dark Forest is a theory I don't want to see being proven in my timeline

>>712737380
>science, bitch!

>>712736726
Photons are massless particles because they have zero rest mass. They do not exist if they aren't moving.

>>712737319
>"Gravity speeds up time" and "Gravity makes it so that the physical events within this field happen more quickly relative to events outside of it" is a distinction without difference
No, it's "gravity speeds up time" and "gravity alters a property or the measurement of that property such that the measuring tool is wrong now."

>>712737271
No other theory makes much sense to me

>>712726187 (OP)
It's almost always explained as warp fields (bending space-time), wormholes (connections between two disparate places in space) or travelling through a different spacial dimension (hyperspace).
Sometimes you get Event Horizon/40K where you literally travel through hell.

>>712737786
what do you think they might look like

>>712737895
different

>>712737895
blue

>>712737538
And that retarded idea is why mainstream scientists don't know what 95.4% of the mass of the universe is made of and invent fudges like "dark matter" and "dark energy" (same fucking thing) as a shrug of the shoulders

It's light. 95.4% of the mass of the universe is photons, and to keep denying this so you can cling to old busted incorrect equations from dudes wearing powdered wigs means you are still 95.4% ignorant of the world around you.

>>712737895
Like this

>>712737895
Logically, like crabs.

>>712737750
>the measuring tool is wrong
It's only wrong if you assume that there is a preferred frame of reference where the experience of time is absolutely unchanging and somehow objectively more "correct" than in other frames of reference.
Which of the clocks is "correct"? Relativity has the answer

>>712738106
this is some terrence howard logic and should be tossed out

>>712738106
I'm sure your crackpot theory based on "equations you can find at Wikipedia" easily solves the biggest problem in physics for the past three decades, anon
Why aren't you claiming your Nobel Prize?

>>712726187 (OP)
>>Never explained how it can just violate the laws of physics

They travel at the speed of dark, which is faster than light.

So which space games are you waiting for friends?
I'm waiting for starship simulator,falling frontier and untethered

>>712736384
= 'demons' not from 'space' (nonexistent) but extradimensional

You guys didn't call me yet, even though you are talking about the universe. How dare you?

>>712738283
>Which of the clocks is "correct"?
The control that remained consistent without any drift in its measurement. Clocks don't tap into the 4th dimension and physically measure time the way a thermometer physically measures temperature. The fact that you're treating a clock as some kind of objective direct time measurement tool is the problem.

>>712736384
probably a few nice greys and space elves (the ones that are cross breeding with humans) stuck inbetween interdimensional traffic from the demons manifested by Collin's Elite and their predecessors, though there could conceivably be similar beings that do not exist solely to absorb negative energy

>>712726187 (OP)
There was some us vs soviet space game using Newtonian mechanics someone on /v/ made a decade ago

>>712738385
>Why aren't you claiming your Nobel Prize?
From who? You're not allowed to even be considered unless you are part of the club. Not even a mention or even direct criticism of the math has ever been given by the mainstream. More telling than anything.

The last two Nobel Physics prizes were given to AI-tards, not even physicists. And you think that holds any weight?

>>712738705
>The control
You're agreeing with relativity that there is no objective physical standard of time, you just don't understand it so you're getting mad about it

>>712738385
>discover the double-helix structure of DNA
>have everything attributed to your Nobel stripped away because you admitted to differences in intelligence between ethnicity
awards don't mean shit

>>712726709
Unironically quantum entanglement

>>712726187 (OP)
FTL doesn't violate the laws of physics though, it doesn't break causality.

>>712738573
>"space" I can see with my own eyes isn't "real"
>"other dimensions" that a purely imaginary are "real"
The whole aliens = fairies = demons thing is interesting from an anthropological perspective but I don't understand how anyone living a normal life can seriously subscribe to this LARP

>>712738985
made up sci fi garbage, entanglement isn't real
>b-but the scien-
nope, not real

>>712726187 (OP)
>Explaining
There is no explaining, nigga. If there was an explanation we could be able to replicate it irl. Sci fi just pretend to explain.

>>712726187 (OP)
Maybe fiction just isn't for you OP

>>712738929
Imagine you bring an alcohol thermometer into space, pic related. In the low gravity environment, the alcohol floats right up to the top of the glass. Do you assume that means the temperature just shot up to 150 degrees, or do you question the accuracy of the thermometer in that environment? This is what I'm trying to get at. I don't see any reason to believe time itself is moving differently because they haven't proven that the measurement tool is impervious to altered environmental conditions.

Reminder that a limit to the speed of light doesn't exist because the laws of physics are not constant throughout the entire universe and they OBSERVED that as far back as 2012
Literally a skill issue for you retards

>>712736898
Hyperspace is still FTL retard. If I need to get to a planet lightyears way and I fold space to order to get there in minutes, I have gotten there Faster Than Lightyears

>>712726187 (OP)
Elephants are the cutest animals on earth.

>>712739467
>they

>>712739201
Entanglement has been demonstrated, it's not a theoretical phenomenon.

>>712727102
>The Dark Forest is real
A meme that breaks down under even a little bit of scrutiny

>>712726187 (OP)
Wormholes are better, you can write far more interesting stuff with that kind of travel.

>>712739605
>b-b-b-b-b-
nope

>>712739184
>normal life
>taking external reality at face value
>believing in objectivity of wetware
There's a lot to take in with this post and you're clearly completely disregarding it.

>>712726350
>"You can just fold space like a paper because"
>"Because you just can okay?"

>>712739509
scientifically measured to be cats

>>712727913
Read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress
All this space doomerism is unironically a psyop because space travel is the ultimate form of white flight

>>712728051
>free energy is real
Radio recapture tuned to the CMB
Good luck getting enough to do much tho

>>712739785
Ok asshole, fold space time right now. I'm waiting

>>712739785
Well you can. It fucks you up so much if you have a passing understanding of Lorentz transformations.

>>712739438
If you can come up with another coherent explanation as to why differences in gravity and relative velocity measurably affect everything from the resonance frequency of cesium atoms to the half-life of exotic particles to the redshift of light itself, then you can disprove relativity and you get to be the biggest scientist since Einstein
You're focusing on one test of one set of conditions, but in reality this has been repeatedly proven countless times over the past century by thousands of different tests which consistently find the same expected results predicted by relativity. This is not an incredible systematic mechanical failure that nobody ever thought of before you, it is an observed phenomenon in the laws of physics that was explained by Albert Einstein over a hundred years ago.

>>712726187 (OP)
As it should be, you autism fags have already destroyed fantasy by insisting that everything has to be explained and demystified with your boring magic systems. We don't need to know how ftl works in a game.

>>712728543
Flyby Effect
We observe causality breaking just with simple space probes now
Prove me wrong

>>712728051
>free energy is real
This is obviously true just based on the existence of the Invention Secrecy Act and the fact that the federal government seizes and makes classified the patents of any free energy invention. If they didn't work, the patents could just be denied, instead the government steals and buries them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

>>712740221
>we've known the answer for over 1000 years
>all the great saints of years past have verified it's the truth
>it's always been this way
>what makes you think you know any better?

>>712740408
#gottem

>>712739943
Delete this right fucking now

>>712739657
NTA but the chinks have figured out how to induce it, followed by the rest of the world about 3 months later 2018. Cope and cry and shit your pants some more

>>712726187 (OP)
The Rule-of-Cool Engine is too powerful for your mind to understand.

>>712739943
>metaphorically describe spacetime as a "fabric" for intuitive understanding of the relative movements of heavenly bodies
>Retards: HURR IF SPACE IS FABRIC WE CAN FOLD IT LIKE BED SHEETS DURRRRR

>>712740786
>it totally happened
nope

>>712740786
https://en.ustc.edu.cn/info/1110/3493.htm
Mostly used in quantum computing afaik though

>>712726187 (OP)
It just works. I welcome some schizotech explanation as long as it's cool, but it's not mandatory. Near lightspeed is cool too, you can do some fun stuff with time dilation once the Lorentz factor gets a little wacky.

>>712740917
I just posted the link you mouthbreather nigger
Have another https://english.cas.cn/newsroom/cas_media/202205/t20220516_305475.shtml

>>712740962
>>712741081
Shut up nerd no one cares

>>712741081
>china uses a quantum satellite to quantumly measure quantum states of two quantumly entagled quantum particles
absolute nonsense

I think I'm too stupid for this thread

>>712741241
I order you to rephrase that into a positive statement

>>712739785
FUCK aqua

>>712740878
>Fold space time
>get the corners slightly misaligned
>Mom yells at me

Sick of this shit

The redpill is that the laws of physics are fake and gay. Everything is perception. The perception of the time period you are in will manifest the technology.

>>712739467
>>712739581
https://phys.org/news/2020-04-laws-nature-downright-weird-constant.pdf
https://phys.org/news/2010-09-variations-fine-structure-constant-laws-physics.pdf
Irl ftl is probably just going to be figuring out how to create this on a smaller scale and exploitng it, like a sort of redneck alcubierre drive

>>712726187 (OP)
they call it the mass effect

>>712741228
Use google for a better source for your autism then retard, or are you one of those twitter dipshits that constantly beg grok to explain everything for them

>>712726187 (OP)
So you want a sci-fi space game set around a single planet because being able to travel to other planets triggers your autism.

>>712728654
>the problem is that everything else ages thousands of years due to time dilation.
This is not what happens at all

>>712741608
I'm not asking for sources, I am denying all existence of your buffoonery

>>712741608
LOOOOOL YOUR BROWN LOOOOOOOL BROWNOID CHINK

>>712739785
Do you really want to hear a two hours long lecture on how moving massive quantities of water in really specific ways produces enough energy to push the ship into FTL speeds?

name 5 hard scifi games

>>712741608
Cope China is WEAK and can't do shit quantum weeneism doesn't exist and everything your CCP masters say is a lie

>/v/ - science & religion

we umm i mean the chinese have super calculators because of uhhh ancient wisdom or something
dont google 4 pests campaign please please please

>>712741608
>expecting genuine discussion from underage newfags who come to 4chan to purposely shit up the place

>>712726938
There was a very old DOS game called Lightspeed where your ship has a spin drive engine that spins space around the ship into a bubble of subspace that allows it to travel between planets.

>"muh chynia nubah one!"
Aaaand thread shitted up by chink brownoids

Why do trannies always have to talk on and on about china as if it is some holy land everyrhing china says is just lies

>china this
>china that
why don't just go marry china if you love china so much

>seriously posting some dumb chink retard site as an actual source

>religious shitposters for the first 200 posts
>china shitposting for the last 50 and next 100
how will this thread end? what will newfags do next?

>>712742107
I dunno, maybe we'll talk about video games or something stupid

>>712728639
And yet skipping is canon.

>D-did someone say something good about China???
>AAAAIIIIEEEEE NIGGERMAN SAVE ME NOOOOOO THE BUGMEN ARE IN MY WALLS
Why are you people like this

>>712742232
if you come to /v/ to talk about video games you're fucking stupid

nobody cares if the thread goes off topic retard
go back to r*ddit

>>712742280
Unironic glowies I think

>>712742232
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Videogames
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On /v/
New here?

STOP TALKING ABOUT CHINA ALL THEY EVER DO IS CHEAT AND STEAL AND LIE IT IS ALL FAKE FAKE FAKE

>>712742306
>>712742319
>>712742364
14-25 year old newfag niggers

>>712742480
piss off, you old dusty hag, I'm having fun here

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>>712726187 (OP)
Independence War had the best FTL lore. For long distances you had Lagrange Points you need a special drive to enter and you had to maintain a minimum speed to trigger it. Then you could zip around the solar system with a Linear Displacement System that allowed you to travel at light speed without relativistic effects. And their idea for inertial dampeners was releasing high speed subatomic particles when you shut off the drive.

This was a decent thread, what the fuck happened? Why is it a shitty spamfest suddenly?

>>712742631
based

>>712726350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtyySlBW6kk

>>712742719
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

>>712730535
the Roche Limit, that's why

>>712742719
schizo sleeper cell was activated

>>712742629
you will always be a newfag nigger.
>>712742719
never underestimate the amount of ethnic hatred asians have for other asians (these are koreans and japs spamming)

>>712742751
Why are you spamming walls of chink scratchings at me?

>>712742827
动态网自由门 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Free Tibet 六四天安門事件 The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 天安門大屠殺 The Tiananmen Square Massacre 反右派鬥爭 The Anti-Rightist Struggle 大躍進政策 The Great Leap Forward 文化大革命 The Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution 人權 Human Rights 民運 Democratization 自由 Freedom 獨立 Independence 多黨制 Multi-party system 台灣 臺灣 Taiwan Formosa 中華民國 Republic of China 西藏 土伯特 唐古特 Tibet 達賴喇嘛 Dalai Lama 法輪功 Falun Dafa 新疆維吾爾自治區 The Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region 諾貝爾和平獎 Nobel Peace Prize 劉暁波 Liu Xiaobo 民主 言論 思想 反共 反革命 抗議 運動 騷亂 暴亂 騷擾 擾亂 抗暴 平反 維權 示威游行 李洪志 法輪大法 大法弟子 強制斷種 強制堕胎 民族淨化 人體實驗 肅清 胡耀邦 趙紫陽 魏京生 王丹 還政於民 和平演變 激流中國 北京之春 大紀元時報 九評論共産黨 獨裁 專制 壓制 統一 監視 鎮壓 迫害 侵略 掠奪 破壞 拷問 屠殺 活摘器官 誘拐 買賣人口 遊進 走私 毒品 賣淫 春畫 賭博 六合彩 天安門 天安门 法輪功 李洪志 Winnie the Pooh 劉曉波动态网自由门

>>712731223
>Imagine writing fiction and still be autistic about IRL physics. Just bend space-time my dude.
this is what i settled on in my idea, just with wormhole beacons to know when and where to arrive once in same-spacetime. normal travel still takes a while and there is safezones and schedules around the beacons, so it isnt as fluid of a travel system. the tech is still young. /blog
on another note, FTL sounds awfully unpredictable and dangerous, considering all the variables of stuff you could hit or just ships in your path.

>>712726187 (OP)

>>712742719
>decent thread
>religious fundamentalists putting their fingers in their ears and going "LA LA LA I DON'T HEAR YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE WRONG YOU'RE WRONG"
lol

>>712741373
>fold space time
>put it in storage
>unpack it later
>wrinkly lines all through it now

>>712742719
Bugman thinks we buy his quantum computing bullshit

>>712741319
nta but that anon is above it all! he is a man of action! theory, schmeory, thats his motto! i agree!

>>712742719
That's simple
>Good thread going on
>Mod sees it
>He either decides to move it to another board even if it's entirely ontopic, autosage, prune it or outright shit it up himself
We have proof from the entirety of /j/ leaking btw

>>712742897
Yeah you'd need a magic star trek deflector (the big ass glowing part on the bottom of their ships) to not get obliterated by a tiny rock hitting you at FTL (or even 0.99c) speeds

>>712743813
is there a /j/ archive anywhere?

>>712743635
You just made it sound super fucking gay

>>712741831
>Be retard
>Find internet
>Be retard on internet
How can we stop people from doing this?

>>712741367
man I wish I could

>>712744553
FACT: China doesn't have a quantum computer
FACT: China doesn't have a fusion reactor
FACT: Xi Jinping looks like Winnie the Pooh

>>712744829
What does your gibberish have to do with anything?

>>712743912
well I found this, but it isn't organized very well
https://bvll.neocities.org/j/

>>712745037
Israel and America will crush you.

>>712745195
>Israel and America
There is a difference?

>>712744182
gay used to mean happy, you know. therefore, i did it right. cheer up, happyphobe

>>712745974
>gay used to mean happy,
So you admit you are wrong

>>712746090
no, i'm taking the term back, i'm not letting the faggots have it, my little porch monkey.

>>712745974
Hope and Believe

>>712745974
happiness is gay though

>>712743873
so everytime a random ship they maybe cant detect, like lets say a romulan warbird is in their path, they just fucking ram into it? fucking sneaky federation fucks!

>>712746273
Swimming up stream is for salmon not snails

>>712745076
>Tranny janny discord raids are real

>>712746380
quirky chungus supremacy, sad-boy.

>>712726350
Unironic kino.

>>712746627
it is biologically impossible for you to become a woman

>>712739785
take ketamine and you'll feel space folding over like paper

>>712741373
it's a fitted sheet you fucking retard

>>712742923
the chad african cute-king vs. the virgin indian shit-snorter

>>712726379
Rimworld

>>712747000
>wash my space time
>forget to take it out of the washing machine
>space time starts to smell funny

>why can't this fictional story made with the purpose of entertainment show me exactly a nonexistent technology works?

>>712733246
thats kinda cool, but i have the worm wide web so i can shitpost with my anons from new australia about stinking native greys huffing spacefuel

>>712747363
Finally a good video games post

>>712743134
>buy new space time
>comes neatly folded in carrying case
>no matter how carefully you re-fold it you can never fit it back in again

>>712726187 (OP)
>Game is set in the past
>Has Slower Than Light lasers

>>712736803
Theyre not up their long enough to matter
And theres no way to prove they wouldnt have developed that way anyway
Its all more likes the environment and nutrition instead of some magic like time travel

>>712736814
No they dont

>>712741754
Yes, actually. Got a link?

>>712748202
NTA but parts of the internet like Starlink need constant corrections because the time dilation that occurs when communicating with an orbital object is enough to affect the delicate computations of modern electronics

china has literally never, ever won a war
and they've been humiliated for a thousand years by foreigners

>>712727030
Humans are the catalyst species for the next big order in the animal kingdom. We just need an extinction event to kickstart our diversification.

>>712748485
No one asked

>>712727334
>everyone ducking into simulations with massive time dilation
(You) play as the guy unfortunate enough to both not be in the sims and be tasked with making sure the sims run fine. EZ 4 hour horror game that gets lapped up by youtubers.

>>712748865
Kys
Actually fucking die you fucking fascist scum

>>712748485
I dont care about your gay satellites Elon. You have to go have make up sex with Trump, stop avoiding it

>>712726187 (OP)
>The universe has a beginning, but it has no end. —Infinite.
Stars too have a beginning, but are by their own power destroyed. —Finite.
History teaches that those who hold wisdom are often the most foolish.
The fish in the sea know not the land. If they too hold wisdom, they too will be destroyed.
It is more ridiculous for man to exceed light speed than for fish to live ashore.
This may be called God's ultimatum to those who rebel

>>712726187 (OP)
How does traveling at the speed of light work? Don't you have to dodge asteroids and shit?

>>712749143
>It is more ridiculous for man to exceed light speed than for fish to live ashore.
What does that make a mudfish then???

>>712747835
plasma casters, not lasers.

>>712726187 (OP)
Just redefine what the speed of light means through a lot of added nonsense granularity and subgroups of speed in mathematics, then apply travel bro. Call it Dwarf Light Speed.

>>712749154
Most of space is nothing. This is one of many problems with space travel nonetheless, another being black holes.

>>712748623
if they never won a war then why aren't they ruled by mongols
why aren't they speaking japanese or russian

>>712742897
Wormholes don't solve the "FTL is time travel" issue.

>>712749337
The Mongols did conquer China multiple times. They were just assimilated into Chinese society. The Chinese people wouldn't accept them as rulers otherwise, that's part of how their dynasties came to last, because they fully assimilated to the idea of being Chinese.

>>712749337
they fight with themselves more than with other people. An entire group of people who are completely unmanageable, unsubjugateable

>>712749337
they've been ruled by mongols and other steppe people for longer than "han" chinese
and those invaders assimilated into the soicore sissified rice eating culture where they larp as intellectuals, which is why in turn they get raped again

>>712749441
what's the issue? it's fantasy based on einstein's work and some mathematics

>noooo something something time paradox
Time isn't real you fucking moron, just like inches or kilometers aren't real.

>>712749741
My inches are most certainly real

>>712749741
I'll show you some real inches boy *unzips dick*

>>712749818
>>712749829
I know you were so proud to add that "and a half" afterwards.

None of this shit matters because we’re never making it off this rock

>None of this shit matters because we’re never making it off this rock

>>712726187 (OP)
You can't explore space and meet aliens within a human lifetime without FTL

>>712749880
and? there's no abundant life on mars and venus for a reason. The word fiction is in the category

>>712742923
why do even indian elephants look like norwood coomers?

>>712750201
>implying their hairlines arent /fa/ as fuck

>>712727490
This is me but with Tranny porn 6k 360 vr at 60fps (taker pov of course).

>space currency is called volts
yikes! energy as bartering object? fucking nerd

>>712749441
you're traveling through time right now and youre slow as shit, m8

>>712726938
>the Alcubierre drive is based on star trek
No, I’m pretty sure the Alcubierre drive is based on the theories of Alcubierre

>>712750256
look at the jeet squatting out a turd int he background. its the little things...

>>712726379
Biological immortality setting where humans casually live millions of years and are unbothered about multimillenium travel times sounds pretty cool to me.

>>712727102
>The Dark Forest is real.
Shooting first in a dark forest scenario would reveal your position and get you shot

>>712732397
"The contraction still happens but the visual appearance is quite different" Sounds like terrell rotation is a purely visual phenomenon and the dilation still happens

>>712727102
The fermi paradox is an anthropocentric meme. Our exploration of the universe is so primitive and barebones trying to establish any kind of standard is just retarded pontification.

>>712734465
Hawking radiation is bullshit, am I expected to believe that ‘virtual particles’ pop up out of nothing and half of them are emitted from an event horizon? There’s not experimental evidence for Hawking radiation.

>>712750767
His trousers are on

>>712750767
Jeet's playing 4D chess while giving birth to curry bricks mid-squat. Background NPC behavior like that is why India feels like a glitchy Bethesda map—immersive but buggy as hell.

Post more elephants.

>>712751851
so?

>>712736384
i think we're the first, or among the very few early ones
considering the simplest form of life has 531490 base pairs, the possibility of random aminoacids forming and combining into a chain that long plus a lipid layer plus all the other shit seems stupidly low

image for ants lol

>>712752173

Elephants are assholes, I had a young adult bulldoze me out of nowhere and kick dirt in my direction as I fell

I support poachers

>>712753978
You were a shitty human being, he could feel it.

>>712753978
you seem like a little whiny bitch so I'd do the same AND I'd piss on you

>>712753978
Based elephant.

>>712726187 (OP)
Because it allows you to have more interesting stories.
Fuck you I don't have to explain shit. How? they found a way. That's all there is to say on the topic.

>>712726960
You joke, but any setting having instant magic teleportation that being treated as the equivalent of shooting a fireball is retarded

>>712754413
>You were a shitty human being, he could feel it.
No, the elephant was being a nigger and attacked me out of nowhere

>>712753978
You mad black boy?
Gimme dem oranges

How is spaghettification the worst death ever if your perception of time would also be slowed down by a black hole?

>>712753978
lmao get ownt Botswanan bitch boy

>>712748176
Are you drunk?