.

a goddess' golden asshole taste better than any mortal cuisine

And?

>>712743151 (OP)
Reminds me more of Jesus on the cross than anything, the Romans also pierced him with a spear after he died

>>712743151 (OP)
It's always funny to see weeds trying to argue about one of their weeb properties stole from another, being totally unaware that both of these images trace all the way back depictions of the Crucifixion of Christ, where one of the Roman soldiers stuck a spear in Jesus at the end.
Read some history books

>>712743151 (OP)
oh mah god

>>712743151 (OP)
Miyazaki just mindlessly copies creators far better then him and sucks all of the power out of everything he imitates. He's an artistic vampire.

>>712743308
Just like Odin intentionally did that to himself Marika probably intentionally did that to herself

Why is Elden Ring base game lore so good but the DLC so shit?

>>712746114
The fingers being literal fingers is peak retardation and made me completely disregard ER lore. It's too jarring and stupid.

>>712747170
Chances are what happened is George Martin came up with "the fingers" as a governmental body and Miyazaki just took that shit literally and made them actual fingers.

>>712747391
Kek
I dont doubt it

>>712747391
The reason doesn't matter, it's in the game and thus, retarded.

>>712747170
it's cool and you're a faggot

>>712747535
omg guys... i just got my first "kek"!

>>712747170
That was literally the best part of the game.

>>712747170
Right but two snake guys with wiskers one which represents good and one which represents evil is not ridiculous at all

>>712747779
If this is dlc info, I don't know what you're saying since I didn't play it. If it's base game, it's stuck in a universe of ugly flesh decaying fingers so it's shit anyway.

>>712747779
Oh wait, you mean ds1. Yes, that is infinitely better. Even better that they are like catdog.

>>712748267
>catdog
takes me back

>>712746114
The DLC turned Marika into the most based Elden Ring character.

>>712746114
I think dlc had better characters than base. Messmer is far cooler than Memelina.

>>712748267
>Yes, that is infinitely better. Even better that they are like catdog.
k thats fine if you think that just dont criticize anything ever

>>712750726
kill hornsent, crucify hornsent, boil hornsent in a wok, etc.

>>712743151 (OP)
I don't into Elden Ring. Did they try to use the crucifixion of Jesus Christ as an aesthetic backdrop for some pagan ritual nonsense to give their game a sense of grandeur?

>>712751940
No the normans did and then the japs copied the normans

>>712747170
Faggot, it was fucking peak. Everybody was talking about The Two Fingers and I bet every player thought was it was some nothing-personal badass npc and then the door opened to reveal two literal fucking fingers. It's one of the moments in video games.

>>712751940
No

>>712751789
Everyone else who disagrees with me is wrong, and you're a fag. There is no room here for soft spoken retards that don't entirely stand behind their belief and will ridicule others who are blatantly wrong.

>>712754350
faggot coded post

>>712746114
The DLC lore is fine and completely compliments the base game

>>712743151 (OP)
With the DLC it's actually clear that an individual must die to become Goddess and usher with the return of a Lord.
The reveal is that Marika was never a real Goddess and only usurped the grace, and the end of Elden Ring was Marika's ascension.

Marika is not even ever called Empyrean

>>712747391
>GRRM doesn't know about the parasite-spawning alien lifeforms that can cause hallucinations and control people
I doubt that, considering he literally made sci-fi novels about them

>>712757179
I have read almost everything GRRM has written. What are you talking about? GRRM usually writes about telepathy, telekinesis, mind control, etc. What story did he write that involves parasites? Maybe Sandkings if you stretch a bit?

>>712746114
I think it's the other way around. All of the DLC bosses (except radahn) are a return to form in terms of boss design. Everything is easy to understand even if hard to execute. They feel like the classic "hard but fair" design that the base game bosses are just hit and miss at.

>>712756607
Nothing besides maybe Bayle and Marika's origin are good additions to the base game's lore. The rest of it is total hogwash that makes little sense.

>>712757575
I missed the word Lore.
Disregard.

>>712748136
ds1 you retard

are there really no leaks at all for their next game?

>>712757763
What do you mean leaks? They released official trailers for their next game it's called Duskbloods

>>712757412
Men of Greywater Station

>>712757904
their actual next mainline game, not some side-content fortnite tier slop

>>712743151 (OP)
Marika killed herself to be reborn as Goddess here. She is seen in the SOTE trailer using the Gate f Divinity while not being dead while the Rite shows the Goddess must die.

You can also see how she stole the golden strands from the real Empyrean

>>712758149
>while not being dead while the Rite shows the Goddess must die.
headcanon
>You can also see how she stole the golden strands from the real Empyrean
headcanon

>>712746114
There's no "DLC lore". It's just Elden Ring lore. Elden Ring without SotE is incomplete

>>712758236
Nope, it's all correct. You can actually see the statues depicting the Goddess carried in a funerary shroud.
Marika killed herself to ascent to Godhood

>>712758384
>You can actually see the statues depicting the Goddess carried in a funerary shroud.
lol

>>712743151 (OP)
I've played the game, read the text, and even watched lore videos, but I still can't wrap my head around how the whole marika/radagon thing works.

>>712758548
Feels good being one of the few high IQ individual that actually understands Souls lore. It's immensely rewarding because the settings are so great

>>712743151 (OP)
There's retards that still think Radagon did this
>>712743381
>Reminds me more of Jesus on the cross than anything,
No, the Odin paragon is fitting considering it's self inflicted

>>712758724
everyone laughs at you btw

>>712758724
If you're so smart, what is up with that random dead snake outside the jar village in the DLC?

>>712758565
>but I still can't wrap my head around how the whole marika/radagon thing works.
Radagon is marika's desire to follow the golden order, essentially her other personality that she switches between
when you kill radagon at the end, you kill marika too
because radagon is marika

>>712747170
embarrassingly shit opinion

>>712758724
From knows they can write shit vague shit with cool sounding names and the intended outcome is each player making up things so the story makes sense. People that take it super serious and try to "uncover" the secrets are cringe.
My big problem with from is that is it recycles too many of their character ideas/arcs from older games.
I got very little enjoyment out of Patches, Alexander, Blaidd, D and others because all of them have been done before in older games.
I think the 3-5 themes that Miyazaki likes to use need some time to rest before returning to them.

>>712758071
nigga fromsoft is now a fortnite tier slop company, the existence of nightreign should have taught you this.

>>712758965
um uh ontology um uh nihilism um uh gnosticism um uh SHUT UP OK?!?!

What did the dlc even add to the story/lore?

The lore and worldbuilding in these games are meme. anyone who takes them seriously are lying to themselves.

>>712758565
>>712759073
See the Asimi cut questline. It literally explains everything which is specifically why it was cut. Miyazaki doesn't like making things too obvious.

>>712758965
The Snake was protecting the Rune of the Unborn and was a sacred being for the Shaman celebrants. Marika stole the Rune of the Unborn, a rune capable of birthing larval tears into worthy, non-sick beings like Radagon, who was created by Marika
>>712759659
No, there's a lot of meaning to what Fromsoftware puts in game, and they (or Miyazaki) is extremely based for conveying it entirely through pieces of lore scattered and use of metaphysics and symbolism.

>>712760637
>The Snake was protecting the Rune of the Unborn and was a sacred being for the Shaman celebrants.
The fuck made you think this?

>>712758565
Marika created Radagon as a larval tear, and imbued him with the crimson amber of the primordial erdtree.
Her plan was to merge with him, artificially turning her into an actual Empyrean, and that's what happens in the end.
>>712759073
Headcanon nonsensical bullshit

>>712760791
>>712760637
When do we ever see Marika with larval tears?

>>712760738
Because the snake is clutching onto something resembling an egg. Both the Bonny village and the Dominula village are tied to the celebrants who have motives of snakes, while Eiglay is herself associated with fertility and birth.

The Realm of Shadow is full of larval tears growing from spirit graves as the place where Death is conveyed. The Shamans had the important role of managing the process of rebirth of spirits with those larval tears and the amber egg.
>>712761068
When she is merged with Radagon as true Goddess

>>712760791
>Marika created Radagon as a larval tear, and imbued him with the crimson amber of the primordial erdtree.
headcanon
>When she is merged with Radagon as true Goddess
headcanon

this retard has no proof and he won't give you any proof, just more worthless headcanon

>>712761532
I hate that it makes sense and now I feel like a schizo
The problem is I played ER over a year so I don't remember shit
Maybe I need to replay it

>>712761532
The proof is in game, and not on Reddit where you pulled off your headcanon about duty and bullshit. Radagon's "curse" of hair is due to him being imbued with Amber Sap from the primordial form of the Crucible, seen in the Erdtree Amber talismans using it

>>712761435
>Because the snake is clutching onto something resembling an egg
What? Where? How?

>>712761734
>Radagon's "curse" of hair is due to him being imbued with Amber Sap from the primordial form of the Crucible, seen in the Erdtree Amber talismans using it
see? he just keeps posting more headcanon pulled straight from his arse

>>712761659
It doesn't just make sense. It's actually true.
Because I'm intelligent and attentive enough to actually understand the lore
Marika instilled Erdtree Amber Sap in the larval tear and then closed it with the Gold Sewing Needle, birthing Radagon with the Amber Egg, all elements that are tied to Radagon and that Radagon left to Caria

>>712762121
>Marika instilled Erdtree Amber Sap in the larval tear and then closed it with the Gold Sewing Needle, birthing Radagon with the Amber Egg, all elements that are tied to Radagon and that Radagon left to Caria
Schizophrenia in it's purest form

>>712743151 (OP)
what do you think of the theory that Golden Mask is inspired by Ibn Arabi? I thought it was very convincing but the more I looked into Elden Ring the more I realized it pulls exclusively from a few mythology and it doesn't pull anything from the islamic world. To me it looks like Elden Ring is exclusively pulling from:
>Norse mythology
>Greco-Roman mythology
>Japanese mythology (with Shinto & Buddhist influences)
>Gnostic Christianity
>Lovecraft
>Mesopotamia? (only the Imago Mundi is proof of that)

so even though Golden Mask = Ibn Arabi is very convincing I don't think it can be accepted. what do you think?

>>712758724
Marika didn't die. She stole godhood from the divinely wrapped couple that chose to marry and die for the horn-sent.

In your screenshot, the thing being carried is the wrapped dead couple. You can see statues of them everywhere.

>>712761921
>What? Where? How?
Here, where there is now empty space around which the serpent fell

>>712762267
>Marika didn't die.
Correct, Marika was never a Goddess until the end of the game

>>712762265
also I just remembered that George R.R. Martin is the one that wrote the lore so this can contribute to how exclusive Elden Ring's mythology is. It pulls from few mythologies that George R.R. Martin is familiar with.

>>712762251
Nope, I'm just higher IQ and actually attentive and inquisitive so I can better understand these things. I also read a lot which helps.

>>712746114
The DLC not only clarified things but also expanded on a lot. The only people who don't like the DLC lore are the people who were deathgripping their shitty fanfiction theories.

>>712762328
So where's the egg?

>>712762567
Are you retarded? >>712761435

>>712762393
Gurm wrote like two pages, his contribution is almost nothing and referring to his work as an explanation for ER lore is a waste of time.

>>712762675
>Gurm wrote like two pages
Source?

>>712762637
So where's the egg?

>>712762742
Anon I think he means this

>>712762516
I'm glad our intelligentsia are dedicating themselves to such worthy pursuits.

>>712762801
oh ok i get it i see the egg now

>>712762801
>>712762742
Fuck forgot pic

>>712743381
>Reminds me of the god of plagiarism
Yeah no shit.

>>712762887
You said the snake in bonny village is clutching the egg.

>>712762887
>>712762878
Don't forget Radagon (aka Marika) gave it to her as a gift

>>712762960
I'm not him anon, he's saying she stole the egg the snake was clutching and gave it to >>712762887
I don't know, I kinda like the idea but it does sound schizo
But no one else explained what the fuck that snake was so I have no choice

>>712762808
I have fun doing it, it's a great setting and story and I love delving in it as someone who actually gets it

>>712746114
>Why is Elden Ring base game lore so good

>>712762960
It was clutching an egg, and it's coiled around the position it had while protecting it

>>712746114
I liked the DLC more for cutting out the mostly worthless dungeons. If it was the base game I would have been happy, but it was tiring to have all that on top of something I didn't love.

>>712763035
>I'm not him anon
then why the fuck would you respond answering the question i asked to him?

>>712763150
And you know this how?

>>712763207
Because I could

>>712763207
NTA but it's pretty clear what anon meant, you're the only one not understanding especially after a picture was provided.

>>712763297
ok fair

>>712744181
Nah, the Elden Beast did it.

>>712747779
I wouldn't really say that Kaathe represents good and Frampt represents evil thoug.

>>712763276
Because the Shamans are depicted as priestesses performing libations of amber dew. This blessed dew coincides with the concept of bestowing grace, which is the imbibed into vessels that can accept it for a birth to occurr. This is how the players can be reborn, transfering the blessing of grace to a new vessel, which gives it life.

The Rune of the Unborn was what they used

>>712746114
bro girls with big boobs are so hot wtf

>>712763635
No, the Elden Beast was only beckoned at the very end, through the Law of Regression applied to the Elden Ring

>>712743450
and i wonder what that was based on... hmmm

>>712764136
Real life

>>712743450
I'm pretty sure odin predates jesus retard
Christinaity is a new religion that stole from a bunch of older ones
Hell, 70% of the bible is stolen from jews
How the fuck do you have a religion that's only 30% your material and 70% some other religion

>>712762547
final fight should've been gloam-eye queen/melina/marika not the femboy and his buttbuddy brother
otherwise, yes

>>712764091
What Law of Regression? Marika just turns into Radagon then he dies to you and gets turned into a sword. The EB even has a grab where it crucifies you then stabs you with a laser exactly like Marika is.

>>712764302
The entire DLC is Miquella attempting to follow in his mother's footsteps which inevitably leads to a dead end because that was a failure.
The gloam-eye queen/melina/marika would have truly come out of nowhere and have no way to justify that.

>>712746114
They ran out of stuff from GRRM to base events on. That's why half the DLC is good (GRRM wrote all of the Crusade stuff and Marika's background) while everything involving Miquella was dogshit (It was just Miyazaki regurgitating BERZERK)

>>712764481
gurm didn't write shit for the dlc, it's all made up nonsense like usual

>>712764424
yeah i know but the story sucks, miquella is a side character and they ended the game on beating, as you pointed out, a retarded side character whose whole thing is gay incest
its cringe
dlc should've been reworked to focus on GEQ as the true final hidden boss behind a small quest, you can even keep the whole miquella story in

>>712764585
Wrong
The DLC should have been you and Ranni exploring space and killing cosmic horror gods, with Armoured Core cameos

>>712764561
He explicitly wrote about the Hornsent and The Crusade. It was part of the background lore he wrote. He didn't write anything for events actually happening, that's why all the quests except for Rannis (Miyazaki's moon waifu) are half baked trash.

/v/ will never accept this because GRRM makes this board go full retard because "Not muh tolkien"

>>712764731
i'd also accept this ending

>>712764731
>Pargmata but with a tiny loli Ranni
Yes please

>>712764743
fromsoft players are mentally retarded and haven't even read asoiaf which is the NFL of fantasy

>>712764743
>While George R.R. Martin contributed to the foundational mythology and history of the Elden Ring world, including creating the demigods and significant historical events like the Shattering, it's not confirmed that he explicitly wrote about the
Hornsent or the Crusade
it's all made up nonsense

>>712763635
What I mean is Marika intentionally invoked the ire of the elden beast goading it to do that to her

>>712763764
On the surface level they are good vs evil but obviously as you dive deeper it's more like a yin/yang dualism.

>>712764020
>Because the Shamans are depicted as priestesses performing libations of amber dew.
where are shamans associated with dew?

If you haven't read Sandkings or Nightflyers you have no right to comment on ER lore.

>>712765853
If I hated the GOT show would I like the books?

>>712765978
Not really. I read the books, after the first one they start reading like a screenplay.
I don't think game of thrones is well written at all.

>>712766053
>THE MORE SHE DRANK, THE MORE SHE SHAT
bravo, george!

A Japanese man wrote an entire book about how he ejaculated to this picture of Saint Sebastian
And then he attempted a coup of the japanese government
and then he killed himself

>>712766127
Mashima?

>>712766104
Funny enough The Witcher also has a scene exactly like that where Triss starts shitting herself because of a stomach bug and Geralt has to help her poop.

>>712766197
yup

>>712743590
>>712743151 (OP)
man japanese are so creative

>>712766127
huh???

>>712766293
men being stabbed is erotic

>>712764337
>What Law of Regression?
The Law of Regression, because the Elden Beast is the Elden Ring regressed to the form it has after falling as shooting star, as the remembrance states
>The EB even has a grab where it crucifies you then stabs you with a laser exactly like Marika is.
No, it's not. They are nothing alike. Marika pierces herself with Destined Death in a sacrificial position

>>712764302
The Gloam Eyed Queen is in the base game
>>712764585
>yeah i know but the story sucks
No, the story is really good. Retards bot understanding Souls story is a tale as old as Demon's Souls though
>miquella is a side character
He isn't, he's very central
>and they ended the game on beating, as you pointed out, a retarded side character whose whole thing is gay incest
No, it's not.

>>712765978
Depends what you hated about it. The show makes a lot of characters look way more retarded then they seem in the book. There are a few characters cut from the show, I think showing off culture is done a lot better in the books where things are a lot more grand. Battles are done poorly, intrigue is overall done well. A Feast for Crows was garbage, though.

Instead of getting invested in the series I'd just read a Knight of Seven Kingdoms. It's like GRRMs Hobbit, just a more whimsical and easier to digest version of his larger work. Then if you feel you want to know more about that world then you can read the Song of Fire and Ice books. If you didn't really care for the world or the kind of things you read I'd just drop it.

>>712764268
>I'm pretty sure odin predates jesus retard
As far as that depiction of Odin goes, we really don’t know that. The timeline of how Norse mythology developed and what it looked like at its early stages is pretty nebulous.
What we do know is that it reached its peak in around 700-900 CE, so it’d be pretty reasonable to assume most of the finer details of the myths weren’t taking shape until after Christ

>>712766494
What a hacks miyazaki and the fat one are for having two different evil snake demons in the same game and not relating them together at all.

>>712765645
In the Fortified Manor
In Marika's statues
In Marika's talisman

>>712766494
geq is not a boss encounter in the base game and your picture of a snake in likeness to marika's form doesn't change that

>if you didnt like it that means you didnt understand it
which part of it didn't i "understand", miquella is a fine character but hes not marika, i wanted to fight marika or an aspect of marika to close out the series, not her retarded gay child and the dude V2 they nerfed 1 week in because no one leveled vigor on launch

>>712743151 (OP)
Elden ring invokes much of the trinity, albeit from a skewed perspective.
In one way, Marika is God the father, Radagon the son, and the Elden Beast the holy spirit, with the greater will functioning as kind of a shared essense/nature

>>712766759
Right that makes Marika associated with dew. How are the shamans associated with dew?

>>712746114
>Why is Elden Ring base game lore so good
as a fan of Miyazaki anf GRRM, this is easily the worst written shit of both their careers

>>712765978
Most of Gurm's books are sci-fi and not fantasy

>>712766890
GRRM allegedly wrote quite a bit of shit, but Hackazaki intentionally shredded it and poured coffee on all of it, and then set the game 10000 years after his own headcanon of how it all fell apart in a very tasteless and amateurish way. The result is some rich lore nested in a meaningless world that makes no sense and you have no business giving a shit about. If GRRM played vidya he'd likely hate what they did with his story

>>712766740
They are related. You are just too low IQ to understand Miyazaki's work (as usual/
The Serpent eternally seeks vessels for his Aspect, which is why he is aleays referred to as a singular being from which many serpents spawn. They are all the same entity yet different manifestations of it.

>>712766127
>A Japanese man wrote an entire book about how he ejaculated to this picture of Saint Sebastian
I read this book and unironically it's one of the best books I've ever read. The ending seriously actually made me cry for real IRL. I don't give a fuck how cringe that admission is.

>>712743151 (OP)
Of the hot women who did nothing wrong, Marika is the hottest and the one who did the least wrong.

>>712766890
>as a fan of Miyazaki anf GRRM
HOW

>>712767136
That's Miquella

>>712767036
why do they hire grrm' use his work only to never use/follow his vision

>>712767216
lol

>>712764268
>odin predates jesus
The story about odin being stabbed in the side is from the fucking 9th century and based on nothing but plagiarizing the crucifixion.

>>712763297
HOLY SHIT IS THAT MIDRA

>>712767036
>If GRRM played vidya he'd likely hate what they did with his story
im glad we agree that its a massive improvement over george's hack writing

>>712767292
>trade one hack writer for another

>>712766791
It's not a snake likened to Marika. I know you watched some retarded youtube video about it, but Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen. It's inspired by the Serpent Queen Eglé, Goddess of fertility
>>712766873
Her being depicted pouring dew of the Erdtree, just like the Shamans are depicted in the same act.

>>712767292
Id argue its likely GRRMs version of Elden Ring was likely quite good due to him probably not giving so much of a shit about it and making it easy to parse for japanese. It stands to reason that he intentionally named poopoopeter such that a bunch of nintendo lookin ass slants dont get it mixed up

>>712767330
i like miyazaki's hack style, he likes feet and is a giant westaboo, george is a faggot who is so immature he doesnt understand the concept of good and evil either in fantasy or in the real world

>>712766127
>>712766293
>its real
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_a_Mask

>>712767336
How are you going to say
>I know you watched some retarded youtube video about it
And then turn around and say the most youtube tier conclusion like
>Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen. It's inspired by the Serpent Queen Eglé, Goddess of fertility
With a straight face?

The truth is it doesn't mean anything. Miyazaki or some random artist just saw some cool imagery they associate with more western and classical trends of religion and mythology and slapped it on a random wall/helmet

>>712767458
>who is so immature he doesnt understand the concept of good and evil either in fantasy or in the real world
??????? not even a fan or that anon but that's like the one thing he is good at in all his stories, gothic, scifi and fantasy

>>712767336
>Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen
>accept my head-cannon or you didnt understand or even enjoy the series
alright

>>712767550
>If I can't understand ut it doesn't mean anything
>And I don't want to hear the actual explanation
It's hilarious how mad you retards get. I hope From keeps doing this narration forever

>>712767502
When his nurse tells him that the knight is actually Joan of Arc, Kochan, wanting the knight to be a paragon of manliness, is immediately and forever put off by the picture, annoyed that a woman would dress in man's clothing.

Joan of Arc was [this] close to convincing some random heathen he wasn't gay. Truly a saint.

>>712767693
No, he's correct. You're pulling stuff straight from your ass. Made up headcanon, based on nothing, that's what you like.

Fanfiction.

>>712767692
>>Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen
Correct
>>Headcanon
The Temple of Eiglay has the Serpent Amniom which is used to birth Godskins, is protected by a Godskin Noble and the Godskins themselves are serpentine in nature with Crucible developments
Yes, Eiglay is the Gloam Eyed Queen, only a total retard (the majority of people) would miss that

>>712767693
I'm not the guy you're talking to, I'm just pointing out you went full youtuber.

>>712767839
>The actual in game evidence you presented and Btfoed me is completely coincidental and you are just seeing things!!!

>>712767910
If theres one thing I know about fromsoft, its that things that are the same shape, are related in some sense. So 2 snakes(as well as any snake) are definitely related in some sense in any fromsoft game at any time.

>>712768000
yes.

>>712767910
you've made an assumption based on insufficient evidence
a godskin also guards the tower to ranni
therefore ranni is the gloam eye'd queen
her skin doll's color could even be considered gloam
her doll's eye is shut and her true form has the other one open
therefore you're wrong and im right

see how that works? its headcannon bullshit

>>712767925
I didn't because the common narrative is GEQ = Marika or GEQ = Melina
Both retarded and wrong

They really did their big one, because I would have loved to marry Marika. Sad she is dead.

>>712768103
>im going to ignore a central piece of the game's lore, that being one of only 2 alternative ending cutscenes and just make a headcannon on who this character REALLY is, only I, illustrusious and intelligent above all souls enjoyers, can FATHOM such brilliance
lmao fucking moron

>>712766289
No they're not, baka

>>712767110
what's it even about, Mishima seems like he was a passionate guy

>>712767910
>Serpent Amniom which is used to birth Godskins
"Amnion from the mother's womb which cradled the poor unwanted offspring of a repellant birthing ritual.

It will never dry out, remaining damp indefinitely."

This is talking about the snake people that are in the volcano manor like Rya. You give it to Rya to progress her quest. Making the wild claim that it is linked to the godskins is outright lies.

>>712767136
agreed

>>712767910
>a enemy that's reused no less than 4 times' placement is concrete evidence, let me just ignore the other placements
>therefore, no the character with the quite literal gloam eye only showed in a secret ending is not nor is she associated with the gloam eye'd queen
based schizo retard

Lore and Story in the Souls games, maybe even all FromSoft games, is a bit of an afterthought. They have no issues shuffling levels, bosses and NPCs around, or cutting them outright, if the gameplay demands it. Or they'll put in stuff purely for fanservice, with no real consideration for lore implications. The biggest example is DS3, which shuffled bosses and levels around up to a month before release, Gundyr and Yhorm being extreme examples. Or Anor Londo, which was stuffed in there for no good reason.

What you're looking for in these games likely doesn't actually exist. You're putting a thousand times more effort into making sense of the plot and world than they did. Stop wasting your time.

>>712768094
>a godskin also guards the tower to ranni
>therefore ranni is the gloam eye'd queen
No, the Godskin noble is there because Ranni shed her skin you utter retard
>see how that works?
I see you are mentally deficient

>>712768217
All of the endings should have been picking different consorts to take her place and chance the nature of the Elden Ring and become new deities or just restoring her to keep the Golden Order going.

Personally I wanted Fia to stay alive until the end, and show up with our (me and the homies) baby to take Marika's place.

Gloam Eyed Queen is small potatoes compared to pic related

>>712768707
so close to understanding yet so far, it must be so difficult being a midwit who needs to boast about his intelligence on 4channel

What we should've got:
>getting heart stolen isn't a death, instead it forces the arena into a neutral zone, you can talk to Miquella and Radahn to get the age of kindness ending.
>if you wanna re-fight him you can go to St. Trina who will give you a poison that kills you but also breaks the spell (once you've got it once you don't been to go back again, just chug the bottle if you get charmed)
>once you kill Miquella, if you've gathered all his discarded parts you can jar him the fuck up and take them to the big bowl to be revived, after which he decides fuck it, you can be his consort since you killed Rad Dan again, age of abundance ending unlocked

>>712768359
God damn... Were they fucking before miquella grafted into the haligtree?

>>712768319
It's basically about realising how being gay (or at least "not normal" in some way or another) means you will never be able to have a normal romantic relationship like you've seen in movies or stories.

hmmm ahhh yes Runequest

>>712769176
runequest is pretentious

>>712768334
Not him but the godskins are absolutely connected to serpents. They have snake tails.

>>712769130
But anon, surely a relationship predecated by my obsession with sex and "goodfeels" is healthy! It is important that you agree with me so I can normalize this behavior and make it common practice in our society but if you don't, MIND YOUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS

>>712760637
>there's a lot of meaning to what Fromsoftware puts in game, and they (or Miyazaki) is extremely based for conveying it entirely through pieces of lore scattered and use of metaphysics and symbolism.
That would be really great only anywhere from tiny details to large sections of their games are usually reworked, swapped around or entirely scrapped in development.

There is no fucking story to figure out.
There are fragments of ones they tried to tell, but they don't fit together into anything real.

Sometimes they can pull all the plot threads together, and sometimes they cant.
They are more concerned with releasing a game on time, than making sure the story is actually coherent.

You need to learn to distinguish when they succeeded with their storytelling: Dark 1, Bloodborne
and when they gave up and just tacked on what they could in service of whatever they can muster for release: Dark 2/3, Elden Ring

>>712769405
You know people don't choose to be gay right? Trust me if not being gay was an option I would take it in a heartbeat. Why would I not?

>>712768334
>This is talking about the snake people that are in the volcano manor
No, it's not, because the snake people are created from the communion of Rykard's grace and the God-devouring serpent, not birthed
>>712768238
I don't ignore anything, and that's why I understand lore. Those theories are simply wrong. Melina does not have the pink because she is the Gloam Eyed Queen. She has the pink eye because she has Shadow imbued in her. The Murky Iris writhes exactly like Grace or Frenzy, and it's the true original color of Ghostflame before it was tarnished.

The Roundtable hold shows the kindling maidens grow Death Spears into Crucibles, and those statues are depicted elsewhere in the Lands Between.

Melina is a Firekeeper equivalent that was created to control and manipulate Death in order to level up the Tarnished and manipulate sprites, which is also why she can transfer the player sprite to Farum Azula and channel Death
>>712768367
Every single time an enemy is used, it has lore implications to being there
>>712768860
>No u
Ok

>>712769524
The same way I dont choose to fixate on sex, or be attracted to women that arent my wife, that doesnt rob me the choice of doing the moral thing. Your argument excuses murderers and child molesters all the same "they were just born that way, bro"

>>712769467
>That would be really great only anywhere from tiny details to large sections of their games are usually reworked, swapped around or entirely scrapped in development.
This is completely false btw. All of it

>>712769089
Radahn shouldn't have been involved at all. It should have just been Miquella vs the Player. After Elden Beast and now that we had Deflection I would have loved just a small, spastic, quick attacking and teleporting blond haired Gremlin of a final boss.

The Options should have been Defeat Miquella and take him as your God, or do Trina's stuff and kill him or reunite them or whatever.

>>712769621
So I should just get over the fact that my dick automatically gets hard when looking at men but goes soft when looking at women? I should just brute force my dick into getting hard for women?

>everything about the golden order is a lie
>the greater will was never there; it was just metyr psyopping all life with the only messages it was ever given and thinking “any day now!”

honestly I would choose the frenzy flame after finding this out

>>712768781
All the endings are exactly what they are meant to be. You trying to tell Miyazaki how to write is fucking laughable. Yeah I'm sure your game would have been compelling

>>712769697
You should turn away from sin yes, the same way I turn away from a desire to cave your skull in with a big rock.

>>712769514
DS1 and DS3 only make sense because of the opening cinematic. DS1 and DS3 was based on "DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE GUYS FROM THE CINEMATIC?!"

Elden ring doesn't even have a cinematic, they used it as marketing and then didn't make a new one for their "blockbuster new series".

but it's actually just barely lighting modded DS3

>>712769721
It's literally just gnosticism. The Greater Will is an unthinking unfeeling unconscious entity that mortals proscribe meaning to. It's like when a village shaman says that the sea is "angry" after a tsunami. The sea doesn't think or feel or want anything, it's just a force of nature.

>>712769545
>No, it's not, because the snake people are created from the communion of Rykard's grace and the God-devouring serpent, not birthed
No? You give the serpent sack to Rya and her quest continues with her learning about her birth. Why would her quest continue if you gave her a godskin relic? I won't even argue you on you claim about where snake people come from which is just your headcanon. Just answer why Rya's quest about her learning about her past is triggered by a godskin relic?

>>712769514
>but they don't fit together into anything real.
Keep telling yourself that, low IQ retard

>>712769809
>sin
lol

>>712769968
Or do whatever you want, but dont be mad that someone caves in your skull with a big rock.

>>712770059
Try it faggot, see what happens

>>712769901
That's not what Gnosticism is about. According to Gnosticism tsunamis and the like happen precisely because this world is run by foolish, careless, or downright evil creatures. The Demiurge and it's facets are active in it's creation.

>>712769545
not reading your headcanon, enjoy your misunderstanding of basic alchemy

>>712764268
Except that 30% is infinitely more important than the 70% which was only include to exalt the 30%.

>>712770105
I have no intention to, thatd be a sin you see.

>>712769770
>4/6 endings are identical palette swaps
>DLC doesn't have an ending at all, just a flashback to Miquella getting a boner

Yes, surely this is literary genius and could never be improved upon in any capacity.

>>712770168
If you believe in sin you're a cuck

>>712770253
grow up

>>712770253
If you dont believe in sin you have no basis making any claims whatsoever, so it kinda washes out

>>712770310
>>712770324
Didn't the IDF already deploy you kikes to the front line against Iran?

>>712770409
>kikes
Neither jew nor gentile, neither slave nor free

>>712769907
>No?
Yes
>You give the serpent sack to Rya and her quest continues with her learning about her birth.
>Why would her quest continue if you gave her a godskin relic?
Because the Man-Serpent rituals is a corruption of the birth of Godskins, using the Amnion RIPPED from Eiglay and imbued by Rykard through communion.
Rya is not man nor serpent, while the Godskins are actually made from supple skin and cradled.

Rya and the man serpents are unintended offsprings rhe same way Millicent and her sisters are

>>712770324
>morality is only defined by my book

lmao

>>712770409
Yeah the jews created "morality" to prevent you from destroying civil society.

>>712770553
lmao kill yourself nigger.

>>712770560
Its defined by God, our best assessment is documented in the library of His inspired word, yes.

>>712770634
I accept your concession

>>712764481
This is probably the answer. The miquella stuff feels complete out of sync with the rest of the game.

>>712770553
This is hard to digest. I think there are mediums your ideas would be better suited. Like Youtube.

>>712770686
Tbh the haligtree shit seems weird and out of place too, not to say GRRM didnt write that, but its very poorly presented

>>712770689
>>712770684

>>712770686
Because its just leftover level designs from the base game slapped together and "miquella did a thing here" on the ground

>>712770684
I asked a question and you didn't answer. You just shared more of your head canon. I don't care about you or your retarded Elden Ring theory anymore nigger.

>>712770972
>I asked a question and you didn't answer.
I did though, Rykard collected the womb of the Gloam Eyed Queen and defiled it.
Even by the stamdards of the subhumans low IQ majority that doesn't understand Souls games, this is actually very clear to grasp because the "communion" is literally equated to Mohg trying the same with Miquella.
Of course you are an extra retard

>>712770482
>>712770631
Sin is a kike concept.

>>712771179
Enjoy transitioning.

>>712771201
Its a description of falling short of the glory of God, the creator of all things, and betraying His will

>>712746114
>Why is Elden Ring base game lore so good but the DLC so shit?
In my opinion the opposite is true.

>>712771201
Of course whitey would say that

>>712771285
Yes, you worship the kike god

>>712771342
I'm sorry jewish religion won't let you rape and take a shit on children

>>712771342
Hes the God of all existence, not exclusively jews.
Galatians 3:28

>>712771338
Obviously white people don't worship the sandnigger god

>>712771201
As opposed to cultures without it where morality is a function purely of social order and if you escape consequence you are considered right in the eyes of god(s)

>>712771480
this poster doesnt have a foreskin

>>712771462
Of course, it wouldn't let them take a shit on children

>>712771528
So you're brown.

>>712771575
You're arguing on the same side as >>712771338 who literally admitted to being brown

>>712771639
>literally admitted to HEADCANNON
done

>>712771457
>Galatians 3:28
book written by kikes

>>712771712
Its actually a letter written by Paul who was jewish and converted to christianity

>>712771681
Only brown people would say "whitey"

>>712771712
I'm sorry the jewish god won't let you kill your children

>>712771750
>no it wasnt written by a kike it was written by a kike
lmao

>>712771773
>Only brown people would HEADCANNON
Easy

>>712771864
post hand

>>712771783
Yahweh killed plenty of children when he was preparing a place for his chosen people, do you even read your Bible?

>>712771750
why did the jews create christianity to destroy the roman empire?

>>712771942
Christianity didnt destroy the roman empire, roman decadence destroyed the roman empire.

>>712772010
lol

>>712772010
you say that but the only lasting part of the roman empire is the jewish church

>>712771930
The Canaanites could have repented for their sins and submitted to the one true God at any time. They knew about his power and what he had done in Egypt and to the Kings south of Canaan.

>>712771930
Christians don't read the Bible

>>712772052
Doesn't that prove his point?

>>712771930
>IM ALLOWED TO SAY WHEN IT IS AND ISNT OKAY TO KILL CHILDREN
if your argument has to first agree that God exists and is therefore the ruling authority for everything, you immediately have to concede that he is the ultimate authority on when its okay to kill children, he also has authority on where their souls go, so you should worry about it a lot less

>>712772082
Fuck off kike

Elden Ring?

>>712772193
CONTROVERSIAL OPINION: it's never ok to kill children

>>712772353
Where do you root your objective moral claim?

>>712772206
"Waagh, I don't want to stop killing my own babies and making money prostituting my daughters! I'm FREE"

Read Herodotus and then imagine choosing to live in a society where getting cuckolded was mandatory.

>>712772082
>it's okay to murder children when Yahweh commands it

>>712772412
Yep.

>>712772386
>>712772387
Nobody is interested in your desert religion, fuck off kike

>>712772412
If the author of all existence, maker of all rules, and essence of all that is good sayd "specifically those kids" yeah, its cool.

>>712772474
>>712772546
These kinds of people think they know what's best for you and society btw

>>712772593
We've been having a pretty good go at it for the past 2000 years, yeah.

>>712772593
All of your arguments thusfar assert Gods existence, but to not listen to His law, literally satanic argumentation

>>712772474
So, just so we're clear, you would be perfectly okay with committing rape and murder if your God commanded it of you?

>>712772593
This is Christian-approved moral relativism in action.

>>712772717
lmao

>>712772739
God commands me to love my neighbor and I struggle with that, if were both in agreement that its God saying it and not just me hallucinating, it would be right that I do it, whether I would remains to be seen. I can barely handle talking to strangers, let alone killing someone

>>712772896
kike

>>712743151 (OP)
The horn sent deserved it

>>712772171
no, there's a reason the catholic church was so powerful, it wielded the authority of rome

>>712772860
>8 millions people killed over 30 years
The Chinks and soviet union killed that many in like a month.

>>712773030
So Rome survived through the Catholic Church? So not only was Christianity not the cause of the Empire's fall, it was the primary means of it sustaining it's culture and prestige for Millenia after it lost it's territory.

>>712772739
Oh yeah, 100%. Only problem is he demanded the exact opposite. The bastard.

>>712772896
I thank you for your candidness, it's rare to see Christcuckolds be so honest about their retarded beliefs.

>>712762547
What did it clarify exactly?

>>712773297
You have no method by which to say Im wrong without opening the exact book Im citing

>>712765561
in the dark lord ending frampt and kaathe are revealed to work together, there is no duality

>>712773191
The Catholic church assumed the role of rome in legitimizing northern kings and playing politics, eventually dictating that maybe we should go over here and kill these people, or go over there and conquer those savages.

>>712773315
Everything about Miquella, confirming the fingers as an aggressive controlling entity (they're hands, we should have expected that), what Malenia said to Radahn before she bloomed, where Marika came from, expanded more on the Omens/Hornsent, how Marika became a god etc. A lot.

>>712743151 (OP)
Never caught onto that

>>712773692
>a bunch of gay romans die of fag disease and getting blown out by nordniggers
>the christians take control and immediately btfo the barbarian hordes and build a dynasty that mogs the romans in every conceivable way
>idiot pagan romeniggers cry about how the fall had nothing to do with the boyfucking or sitting around eating grapes all day, i-i-its the christians fault
Im not even catholic, thats funny as fuck

>>712773080
>it wasnt that bad
monotheism is just narcissism

>>712773719
Literally none of this matters because I’m just here to be Elden lord and those are just mooks in my way and I don’t think anything is confirmed about the fingers

>>712773376
The fact that you outsource your entire world view to a kike book proves you wrong

>>712774313
The fact you just make up yours proves absolutely nothing

>>712774313
And thats worse than you who sources 99% of your worldview to the very same kikebook?

>>712774263
that's great dude, happy for you.

>>712773613
Them being two halves of a greater whole is the duality

>>712774413
Thanks, so we agree sote is pointless

>>712774357
>>712774394
It's better to literally guess at random at what the meaning of life is than to follow lock step the instructions of a kike book written by sandniggers who think cutting half your dick off is good for you

>>712746114
The DLC abandoned all the established plot threads from base Elden Ring because Miyazaki is allergic to story telling that isn't vague schizophrenic bullshit.
It's genuinely disappointing, I wasn't expecting much of course but now I doubt I'll even be surface level invested in the next souls game lore, I'll treat it like the gameplay loop slop it is.

It's all last minute changes too. The biggest tell is them keeping Miquella's eyes closed for his ingame model, if you view his model he has eclipses for pupils. Totally nothing to do about Godwyn and surely has nothing to do with Death being everywhere in the dlc. Instead we got Radahn for aura and hype.

>>712774560
Source?

>>712774529
>It's better to literally guess at random at what the meaning of life
I say you’re wrong.
See how gay you are?

>>712774529
And how do you root that objective moral truth claim?
Also circumcision isnt necessary

>>712774636
I say you're a kike.
See how jewish you are?

>>712774667
>Also circumcision isnt necessary
According to your kike book it is

>>712774421
Both are on the same side numbnuts, they conspire against the player, there is no duality.

>>712774529
>guess that its the christian God
Well would you look at that, thanks anon

>>712774727
>i just happened to believe exactly what my kike book told me to believe
right sure

>>712774701
Galatians 5:6

>>712774701
No

>>712774785
kike book

>>712774783
Im just following your advice bud, I guessed and landed on a conclusion, you cant tell me it was wrong, you told me to do it

>>712774847
I didn't say you can't guess wrong lol dumbass kike doesn't know how to read

>>712774908
This has been fun, God bless you

>>712775008
Heaven isn't real.

>>712772860
The catholic church was confirmed to kickstart the plague, the catholic church was losing power in all of Europe except for poland so a pope had them kill all cats, genocide the entire continent so his pedo buddies can maintain power

>>712764268
I HATE MIDWITS LIKE YOUUUUUUUUU

>>712775030
Hell is real.

>>712775030
It is and I hope to see you there

>>712774482
for you it is, clearly.

>>712775096
I wish there was a guarantee that all horrible people faced punishment for their crimes but sadly that's not reality, that's wishful fantasy.

>>712769880
>Elden ring doesn't even have a cinematic

>>712775137
Why should it be?

>>712775105
When you die you'll face an endless black nothingness and weep

> souls """lore"""

ahahahaha what a fucking joke

>>712775152
Source?

>>712775096
Yeah, and you're living in it.

>>712762547
>The DLC not only clarified
the DLC only introduced shitty contrived bullshit
the Divinity Gate for example is fucking retarded
Marika is a God because she has the Elden Ring inside her
the tower was made by the hornsent but there were gods before that like Placidusax's Dragon God, so the Divinity Gate wasn't needed for that
Myazaki has shown time and again he doesn't give a shit about continuity

>>712775238
>black
Thats not nothing, goober

>>712775291

>>712775272
My source is having eyes and a brain

>>712775347

>>712775381
I have eyes and a brain and say otherwise

>>712775317
oh fuck you're right oh god oh shit oh fuck

>>712775381
Yet you use transcendental categories like language and logic

>>712774560
>gay porn pic
>shit takes
classic

>>712775459
Both of which predates your kike book, so what's your point?

>>712775538
It might, but it doesnt predate God, Who made those things

>today on /v/ christians admit that they would rape and kill people if God asked them to
Kino thread.

>>712766289
The church is.........LE BAD?!

>>712775625
Everything you know and believe about god comes from that kike book

>>712775756
And almost everything you know and believe about morality comes from that very same book

This was supposed to be an Elden Ring thread.

>>712775849
It all started when some angry atheist who was forced to go to church one time instead of sleep in and play call of duty got buttmad that Christ was crucified before the fake story about Odin

>>712775834
Indirectly maybe, but the difference is you follow the kike book intentionally

>>712758884
>No, the Odin paragon is fitting considering it's self inflicted
Jesus Christ...

>>712775680
all morality comes from God
where do you think that you thinking rape is bad comes from?
in islamic law it's only rape if 5 men can testify to that
mongols used to steal women from other clans to make sex slaves and wives

>>712775989
Marika didn't literally impale herself but she intentionally goaded the Elden Beast into doing that to her so it was self-inflicted

>>712775938
Im just happy you follow the book at all friend :)

>>712776056
I think rape is bad because I imagine the experience of being raped and I think I wouldn't want that to happen to me. In other words, I have empathy. I don't need a higher power to command me to have empathy.

>>712775683
le creatividad

>>712776137
I don’t
Prove me wrong

>>712776210
You don't what?

>>712776137
>I dont need a higher power to have empathy
You spent the last hour calling people kikes, anon.....Im not so sure youre selling your brand of morality particularly well

>>712776239
Schizophrenia Speaks

>>712776314
>I have empathy
>immediately starts mocking people
Idubbbz, is that you?

>>712766738
>CE
Fuck you and your entire bloodline

>>712770686
Because Miquella's stuff is a huge mess of inconsistent planning.
Everything in the base game involving Miquella was written when he was supposed to have his own ending and Malenia could be befriended/romanced, but all that had to be thrown out so the Haligtree comes off as weird vestigial content.
Then when the DLC was announced Miquella on Torrent was shown, obviously hinting at some sort of ally role (consistent with the original plan), but then that was evidently thrown out too some time between announcement and release.
It's very telling how the player inheriting what was originally his horse doesn't come up in the DLC at all. Not even something as simple as Leda noticing it and it influencing her assuming you're a follower too.

>>712776558
Christs era, anon

>>712775680
I'd kill and rape regardless of God

>>712776669
Nice try revisionist, I'm not falling for your "common era" bullshit.

>>712776423
Just say something coherent next time

>>712776558
>>712776749
Probably the most pathetic thing to get upset about

>>712776853
Only a modern day kike would try to push CE.

>>712773943
>born into the ruined hierarchy of roman northern europe, join the local catholic church
>become the leader
>send out missionaries to local germanic kings which practice a different form of christianity
>notice me senpai
>after suffering a great defeat one of the kings limps to your temple and receives a baptism as a source of power
>he wins and his reign is legitimized by the local catholic organ once again
>only took 20 years for the catholic church to leap hosts

>>712776239
>gets offended by a racial slur
>ignores all the posts condoning murder and rape
Christcuck brainrot in action.

>>712777135
Im not offended, its very dishonest to call someone a racial slur and then hide behind empathy

>>712767910
Godskin Noble outfit confirms the inhuman elements were assimilated, not that their own nature is serpentine. If anything it's similar to how the the Crucible Knights can take on animal aspects, or crucible-influenced mutants being born with animal features.
There's also the fact that the godskins are much more human-like than the man-serpents, again indicating that they're not actually born of serpents. The godskin swaddling cloth depicts an image very similar to a human fetus.
Given the many different serpents mentioned, especially in relation to Messmer and in turn Melina, there's probably some connection but insisting Eiglay was the GEQ herself is too much of a stretch, especially when Gelmir's own serpent culture mainly focuses on magma and poison, which the Godskins/GEQ have nothing to do with.

>>712743151 (OP)
Christian don't want to think what if Jesus try to be free from god and god refuse. Elden beast transform Marika into cross sword and use she as it please. It show the scary and unpredictable of god will.

>>712775935
This whole christianity debate only started when one anon mentioned he's gay

>>712777294
Kike.

>>712777809
Oh gross, he should repent

>>712777971
Repent for what?

>>712771338
>>712771536
>white
>with a nose like that
lol

>>712778040
For his spiritual wellbeing of course

>>712778158
Yeah but like what did he do wrong that he needs to repent for?

>>712771921
The Great Filter

>>712778301
Be gay.

>>712778385
I don't understand. How is being gay doing wrong?

>>712778436
Weiner not made for poohole, especially not guy poohole. No baby in there

>>712757179
You can tell given how he wrote everything else with that Song of Ice and Fire approach that The Fingers are akin to The Sparrows type shit.

Their role as being some sort of religious authority and interpreter of god further proves this. It very likely was a Miyazacki moment to make them giant fingers because aside from the metaphysical implications like controlling the fate of empyrean and being indestructible without a weird god dagger/corpse, they could have easily been replaced by a bunch of cardinal like dudes and the plot would still work.

>>712778539
Why not? Weiner in poophole feel good.

>>712757936
That's telepathy not parasites. He wrote basically the exact same story with A Song for Lya.

>>712778663
Just cuz feel good no mean is good. Stay home from daughter soccer game smoke weed feel good, no is good

>>712778794
Why god make feel good if not good?

>>712778663
Stabbing people in the face feels good but God says its bad which is why I can't do this to faggots

>>712764302
If players had already accessed Farum Azula through the normal method on a playthrough, the final boss of the DLC literally wouldn't even exist to fight. Also, Marika has no reason to fight you. If you think the GEQ is separate from Melina, she got killed by Maliketh ages ago, and that's when she had the superweapon rune instead of him.

>>712766341
Law of Regression is never used by Radagon or the Elden Beast, the Elden Beast can just transform, if it even is the Elden Ring as opposed to the golden star being the Elden Ring. As for the Elden Beast's grab attack, the rune arc strings up the Tarnished's arms in exactly the same way that Marika's arms are, and the first of the energy spears is larger than the rest and hits in the same place and at the same angle as the energy spear in Marika.

>>712778867
>why misuse Gods gift feel good
We sick, our spirit sick, our fallen soul heroin junkie, can't see light, only see feel good, no see is good. God write law on heart, but we very sick

>>712767336
>Snake without "gloam" eyes is the Gloam-Eyed Queen
Anon, the Gloam-Eyed Queen isn't the God-Devouring Serpent. Also, you can see a depiction of a human (or humanoid) woman on the Godskin Peeler. The Godskin Swaddling Cloth also implies that the GEQ swaddles her potentially homunculus soldiers when they're born, and it'd be hard for a snake to do that, especially when its only arms are Rykard's arms from a much later date.

>>712743151 (OP)
michael zaki is truly a genius

>>712779770
Why god make bad things feel good?

>>712779107
>Stabbing people in the face feels good
christcuck moment

>>712780230
>christcuck
you mean kikecuck?

>>712773719

>Everything about Miquella
We already knew alot about Miquella

>confirming the fingers as an aggressive controlling entity
Everyone knew that already, it was obvious

>what Malenia said to Radahn before she bloomed
No one even wondered that, they were in pitched battle not a philosophical debate

>where Marika came from
A town... great fucking reveal

>expanded more on the Omens/Hornsent
That was good information, I'll give you that

>how Marika became a god
already knew aliens did it

>>712772514
Where do you root your objective moral claim?

>>712780397
It's rooted in opposition to kikes like you

>>712780174
He no did, you did. Maybe kill guy feel good, make feel powerful, but know no is good make hurt, even no know no is good hurt spirit. God give gift, no misuse. Heroin feel good, no is good, no argue, put peepee in poopoo feel good, no is good, cry cry but same same

>>712780487
why god make heroin feel good if no good?

>>712780642
I make piano for make music. You put piano in poopoo say "why make feel good" no my fault misuse piano

>>712780730
you no answer why god make bad thing feel good

>>712780642
Make poppy for yummy bagel, you put poppy on spoon inject between toe, no my fault

>>712780879
1 corinth 6:12
Not God fault. God not make feel good = is good. False equivalence, bad presumption. Broken heart, broken mind, broken soul

>>712781076
god make universe. how not god fault?

>>712780230
Don't knock murder until you try it. It's way better than stabbing some guy in the ass.

>>712781129
When God say feel good = is good? That you, no God. You bang up think is good same feel good. Like say thing I like blue, so all thing blue I like, make no sense, retard heart, retard spirit and blame God for you sick

>>712781251
Alright I'm done with the neanderthal speak. God created the universe. Therefore everything that feels good only feels good because God made it feel good.

>>712781248
That's all well and good just don't ever pretend like you're morally superior to anyone else.

>>712781470
>it God fault
Satan speak, Jesus free retard spirit, cure retard heart. Just because feel good no mean is good
>but God make feel good
God not intend put peepee where peepee no go, same piano maker make good piano, no mean piano for put in poopoo. God not God of feels, God God of love

>>712781636
Why did God create Satan?

>>712781527
I never claimed to be morally superior. I just said you are ontologically evil and I would murder every faggot I could find were it not for God saying that was bad.

>>712781730
If you think I'm ontologically evil then that necessarily means you think you are ontologically good. Unless you just don't know what "ontologically" means

>>712781729
God make angel as messenger and serve God will, but angel have free will
>why God no make Satan no problem
Why God make you if put peepee in poopoo? He love you, even if make mistake.
>but God know satan do bad, stop satan
God know you do bad no stop you, love you, want love freely given, God love you like father love son, not like man love good coffee machine