What exactly is it that makes older cutscenes so much more enjoyable to watch than their remake counterparts?

>>712799924 (OP)
stylization
the old, janky models 90s/00s and animations have a certain charm to them because they had to put more effort into making them memorable and semi-human looking
remakes all look the same because they push "next-gen" graphics which only really benefit the high fidelity realism shit that all looks exactly the same

i actually thought these were great and that this game in general did a good job.

>>712799924 (OP)
modern people don't have any real emotions

>>712799924 (OP)
the old one has some top .0001% jawline

>>712799924 (OP)
Ah yes, maxresdefault-6. A great game but maxresdefault-5 was much better.

>getting back into D2
>think of getting remastered so I can mule shit around easier+get a few extra features
>whenever I scroll down the purchase page the she/her amazon makes me reconsider
How the fuck can you look at your source material, and think that sex appeal is not part of the game's style.

>>712799924 (OP)
the new one has forced animation and overblown budget for cinematics, turning this from a game into a moviegaym

>>712799924 (OP)
basically >>712800164
new games are all too obsessed with realism

that's why rockstars games all suck now, realism is a blight

Literally just because it's the original version. No pseud shit.

>>712801767
Remaking things precisely is way harder than making it the first time, yeah.

>>712800858
>not recognizing this game
Fucking retarded zoomer, just stfu.

>>712799924 (OP)
>Handcrafted old man with a slight hint of fear and crazy
>DevToolAi, give me an old man with Realism set to beyond real

>>712800904
>forced animation
You're retarded.

>>712800295
Yeah, D2R is definitely the least egregious visual remaster IMO, it sticks pretty faithfully to the original's looks
Unlike something like Demon's Souls Remake where they took wayy too many creative liberties with redesigning assets and it looks wrong as a result

>>712799924 (OP)
realism is a shit design

>>712800164
Would you say this technique is lost? D2r is a decent style up, not really a remake, as its literally the same game.

>>712800346
Right? I maybe stupid, but this is certainly what it feels for me. They are barely above stimuli reaction devices.

>>712802709
and you're a retarded faggot

>>712802782
I think the new lighting and environments are pretty good, but the characters look totally different. You're supposed to be a young and naive adventurer. You're level 1. The original characters all looked like they were 20 or thereabouts. The new models look like they're 40, as if they actually aged the past 25 years since D2 is out.
The assassin wears pants and her facial features look like they were lassoed and downsized, leaving them weirdly small in her face.
The paladin looks wrinkly and old.
The sorc has no underboob
the amazon looks like a tranny
druid is overdesigned with the number of pelts, and has grey hairs.

The original diablo 2 was stylish, sexy, gore and satanism. They lost hte style and sex, and only left gore and satanism. If they backported the UI and balance changes I wouldnt bother with the remaster at all

>>712799924 (OP)
nostalgia.

>>712802709

>>712799924 (OP)
80mm nostalgia goggles

>>712799924 (OP)
Direction typically
They seem to tend to miss the intentions behind the choices made in the original
Dunno about the game in the image though

>>712799924 (OP)
Me on the left

>>712802709
This is absolutely a thing especially among the tiktok retard generation where everyone tries to talk and move like a rubber banding cartoon.

>>712799924 (OP)
the right looks like a 70 year old I see on the streets. he doesnt look drained and battered.

>>712799924 (OP)
I think Id be happier with just the old cutscene but rendered in like 8k.

>>712800894
Amazons can be viewed as masculine females, no problem. The Asian assasin isn't bad.

>>712805494
Kys tranny.

New cinematics were good and better generally, I only quibble with some redesigns like Tyrael's wings which to be fair were to make it coherent with how they started portraying angel's wings after D3 (which is still shit).

>>712800164
>stylization
>the old, janky models 90s/00s and animations have a certain charm to them because they had to put more effort into making them memorable
this
i oddly enjoy this kind of vibe more than the overly realistic stuff
its more endearing, charming and to some extent even more creative
realism is just that
realism
it doesnt really tickle your imagination the same way

>>712800164
The first D2 cutscene when they are at the tavern has aged pretty poorly, but all the other cutscenes just blows the remake out of the water.

I will never understand why Marius decided to follow the Dark Wanderer and stay beside him even after all the shit he has seen during his travels.
Also I fucking hate the Diablo 3 retcon.

>>712805494
Sure, but the original design was a sexy amazon design, not a masculine design. And, not only does she look masculine and ugly, she also looks old. She's supposed to be this young hero, not a 50 year old woman.

>>712805803
And i still like the OG tavern scene more

>>712802315
mad that no one cares about bizzslop skinnerboxes anymore?

>>712799924 (OP)
Strangely, the Warcraft 3 cutscenes that weren't remade but merely less compressed were less enjoyable than the originals.

>>712800346
They do have emotions, just faggy and pathetic ones

For me, it's OG medievil

>>712805575
She's unpleasant to look at, no question.

>>712800295
aside from turning the amazon into a man, the paladin into a nigger, and the assassin into whatever they did to her, I agree

>>712805826
Valid point. Why tf did they took their creative freedom? Really not what they are paid for, as close to the original as possible.

>>712806948
But Paladin was always a nigger.

>>712807329
Show any render where the OG paladin has big lips, broad nose, and nappy hair.

>>712807329
And that was the perfect opportunity to fix that

>>712807410
I'm not a racist and I don't have anything against niggers or gooks, but I think you're being oversensitive and just looking for things to be mad about.

>>712800894
You can just play the original with PlugY for infinite stash / automatic sharing between characters. This means you don't have to make 50 mules just to hold all of your shit.

>>712805803
What? The D2 intro cutscene is probably the greatest cinematic in all of fucking video games. The audio quality and sound direction / detail alone puts it miles above everything else.

>my 20 pixel tall character isn't hot enough
who cares lol diablo is about gameplay stats and gear, if you want to goon to your character play ff14 or whatever

>>712799924 (OP)
old thing good new thing bad
what's even worse are the people that cant admit it to themselves and try to cope

>>712808070
Kind of an exaggeration, isn't it?

>>712808070
The audio doesn't matter when the cartoon skeletons look stupid and make you laugh

>>712807969
>PlugY

oh thats nice. I was using the diablo 2 trainer for awhile but it was really annoying to mule shit.

>>712808270
>design doesnt matter lmao
and this is how you get D3.

>>712808735
not sure what you mean. d3 has a nice consistent art style but fumbled every other part of the game

>>712808686
It also gives you access to ladder-only runeword recipes and will also spawn Uber Diablo when you are in Hell mode (random low percentage chance). Obviously, it also removes your ability to actually play online, so do a separate install if you still want to use B.Net for whatever reason.

>>712806975
the demake director literally said in an interview they changed the amazon because he didn't want her to look like a "stripper in a nightclub"
>meanwhile the original team

so much for respecting the original

Decided to finish the game online in D2R and I'm in act V near the end with a sin on Nightmare difficulty. Not that I'd play with anyone else, but I've checked a couple of times out of curiosity and online on Normal and Nightmare is a ghost town. Is Hell where everyone plays or is online completely dead in D2R?

>>712803034
>>712804503
>>712805385
No you fucking retards. Forced animation is not a thing. What you're looking for is OVERanimated and even there it's a concious choice and style. You can't FORCE animation you fucking millennial mongoloids.

>>712805826
>not a masculine design
Nothing masculine about this design. You just don't like that she's old and grizzled.

>>712804503
this phenomenon is called furfaggotry

>act 1
>quests naturally follow up on eachother, slowly build up. You start with the beginner dungeon. Then you get sent out a bit further to a miniboss. Then you have a bit more complex mission where you have to backtrack after you get the scroll past the passage. Then you haev a cool side mission. Finally you have a buildup in which you go into the big end chapter dungeon in two missions, each one pushing you deeper
>act 2
>starts you off with a small side mission. Then springs the overarching quest on you.
>but then for some reason the black sun mission is just foisted on you, you have to destroy the altar anyway to get the amulet, you get zero reward. The summoner is just a mission youre given and then you immediately kill the guy, no buildup or reward.
>the whole 7 tombs gimmick is set up, only to immediately be resolved by giving you the answer. Instead of creating 6 endless dungeons and 1 real dungeon, and then asking the player to seek out the summoner to find out the solution, they just preemptively give it
>act 3
>No missions, you just get the jade statue randomly. You miss most quest prompts because the triggers are stupid and the layout of the town is garbage.
>blackened temple and guardian are both just given to you and you instantly resolve them by killing the guys tied to ti
>act 4
>oh fuck the deadline to go gold is in 2 weeks
It feels like they ran out of time halfway act 2. It is actually crazy how much better act 1 flows compared to the rest (and act 5, since they actually had time and experience)

>>712809108
I think there will be a ladder reset really soon, which is when everyone will start over on Normal
Nightmare is always mostly dead, and Hell is where everyone is later on in the season

>>712809343
>You just don't like that she's old and grizzled.
because it makes zero sense for a younger adventurer to look old and grizzled.

>>Nothing masculine about this design.
she looks like a fridge and her head is shaped like a man's.

>huge tits are masculine

>>712809417
>It feels like they ran out of time halfway act 2.
The game was delayed for like 1 or 2 years I think, it was the first big game I can remember where everyone went crazy and waited for release but it took them forever to finish, but they couldn't finish act 4 and had way more planned for that. Then for the expansion they got everything done and kept working on it with free updates after.

>>712809343
>Nothing masculine about this design
Anon...

>>712809343
That's a man

Not sure, but did Diablo 2 completely disregard quests that had a chance to show up during your playthrough and every single quest that's in the game is always available to you from the start? What I mean is, in the first Diablo there was a chance that you wouldn't encounter the Butcher quest during your playthrough for instance.

Kek, I will literally never give Blizzard any money ever again

>>712809417
I feel like Act 3 was deliberate - it is supposed to be more open and free-form, which ironically makes it the worst one to play through each time because you could get lucky and have the Spider Cavern be a stone's throw away from the docks, or you could have a true nightmare setup where the Spider Forest is split into two distinct halves, the second of which is only accessible by going all the way through the Mash and Flayer Jungle to loop back around to the other side (no, seriously this can happen). I have also seen a massive jungle layout which was essentially a big infinity symbol containing all three zones. The level gen in Act 3 is fucking wild. I have been playing the game every summer since launch and I still see new Act 3 layouts from time to time.

>>712809857
You can completely miss the Countess quest, Charsi hammer's quest if you don't speak to her after the 4th quest, then in the third act you can also miss another one if I recall correctly.

>>712800164
IMO it's more than that. I find that almost all modern "cinema" is beset by "rules" that modern artists took from their art school classes, which is reductive to how things used to be made.
For Diablo II, someone clearly had an aspiration to something. Idk if it's a novel, or a series of movies they drew from, but the "vibe" of how they decided to depict the wanderer for example, you can tell it's a very deliberate cinematic choice to have him look so run-down and rugged, whereas the remake almost has too much an emphasis on making him "have excellent graphics" or some shit. Or rather, the motion capture of an actor is put in the emphasis because they want "emotion" but that isn't the point of the old direction.
The point in the old direction is to show archetypes, and depict a man who is beyond saving and living his days of old through fear and agony over horrors he's experienced.

In nu-slop cinema, whether it's vidya cutscenes or god-awful TV-shows, there's always a temptation to make someone say something "impactful" and then have sound effects over it that are meant to be like "OMG, BE IMPRESSED". Typically a cut-to-black with a "BWAAAAAAAM" sound to emphasise.... something, that boils down to "Wow. IMPACT."

Older vidyas had better taste, simply put. It was made be geeks with relatively low experience in any artistic field, but they were thinking of the best fucking movies and novels you can find, and they were adamant that the game needed to somehow achieve that same feeling. I wouldn't be surprised if D2 Remastered was directed by some 23 year olds in suits who talk PR-nonsense about how "The Darkness of the Evil World of Diablo is portrayed in the World Class Cinematics" or some shit.

It just doesn't have a 'touch' anymore. It feels "standardized".

>>712805575
>>712805826
>>712809709
>>712809887
>turned sex on legs into IT'S MA'AM
I HATE BLIZZARD I HATE BLIZZARD I HATE BLIZZARD

>>712809645
I know a tranny with huge tits and he's as masculine as they came. Guy is built like a shit brickhouse with strapped on bags of silicone.

>>712809649
It is a shame they didn't go back and expanded on act 4 though. I dont think anyone would complain if they would go back and change things already in the base game. I always felt like diablo shouldve been the final boss though. Would make more sense to make your final showdown happen in hell. You slaying the main antagonist youve been chasing the entire game, rather than the final boss being some mop-up job. The act 4 base also feels more like a utilitarian grind-a-ton base.

>>712809857
Yes. Although D1 also had set quests if you played MP. D1 was way more influenced by the dungeoon crawling roguelike genre than D2.

>>712809964
I think the idea is cool, this big, suffocating dungeon filled with demons. You following a river up to an overgrown city taken over by corrupted humans and their priests. But the execution is just terrible. I have no idea how they couldve fixed it but act 3 skip servers being all over the place should tell you all you need to know.

>>712810057
He means something different. In D1 you would roll different quests every time you started a new game. For example, you could either get the butcher quest, or the corrupted well quest. Only a few quests were the same every time. If you didnt roll a butcher quest, you didnt even get to see the butcher that playthrough.

>>712810057
You can skip most quests. For act 1 you just need to do the den of evil to be let out of the starting pen (else flavie will stop you). You can then gun it straight to andariel. You dont even need to save deckard cain, although hewill charge you 100 gold for identifying everything if you dont. For act 2 you just need to make the staff and kill the summoner to get to the tomb. Act 3 you need to do the flail quest and kill mephisto. act 4 just diablo. act 5 you just need to kill the ancients and baal

>>712810078
>It feels "standardized".
It is. Just look at movies and tv/streaming shows, it all feels like it was done by the same guys.

>>712809081
>stripper in a nightclub"
Kono yaro! They sold us out big league

>>712809964
It's true. On my first run in d2r I needed less than 2h for act 3 and thought I misremembered the act. My second run was more than 6h.

>>712800894
>Press one button
>the game automatically turns into the old D2 graphics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBz7PzwUxq0
that's it

>>712811117
>I admit I thought myself:
Cool, looks exactly like the origin
>*press button*
Oh, OK... Wow.

>>712809081
>he didn't want her to look like a "stripper in a nightclub"
>characters can only be sex workers or hideous
It's very interesting how these neo puritans manage to be so incredibly sexist as well

>>712799924 (OP)
Style. Soul. There's no creative spark in the work of the demaker. It's just a moron taking someone else's original work and trying to make it look """better"""

>>712810719
It's because everything is hyper-corporate now. Corporates pushed away the real artists decades ago because big name artists, whether it's directors, musicians or showrunners, are often eccentric and think they can dick around the "bastards with the money". The actual industry is ultimately ran by corporations who aren't thinking about achieving anything else than a high margin. So the more the really talented artists became "troublemakers" the more of them got ditched for safe and replaceable talent over time. And what we have seen especially in the past 15 years is that studio-culture take over both video games and hollywood cinema, where people join out of school, with institutionalized knowledge instead of "vision" or self-discovered ingenuity, and they run for 5-10 years before the next generation is handpicked by the corporations, and the corporations want it to be this way.

It can't be about the "personality making the art" because that person will be replaced by someone else and repeat the "tried & tested" pattern of making a product, it's corporations deciding that. This is what the MCU was as well. People at the helm of a Studio deciding what to do, and putting different directors in a routine, but even though you get someone as deliberately talented as Sam Raimi and Danny Elfman to direct and score a Marvel sequel film, people came out of that movie going "I couldn't tell it was a Raimi movie" or "I couldn't tell that was Danny Elfman's score." because it's perfunctory. They're working within a well-oiled machine, where everything is decided by committee, and everything is running in expected patterns.

That's why when you see almost any TV Series or movie now, that has slow, drone-zoom-ins with "ominous music" over it, and a dull looking color palette decided by the "Lead Tone Master" on the film it's because businesses are deciding to set everything in a convergent pattern, and any talent working with them are just fitting into their mold.

>>712811117
Isn't something fucked up with the fps if you do this, though? It feels very choppy and I don't remember the original feeling like that.

>>712811758
your lcd doesn't display 25fps as well as your old crt did

>>712811728
Big finance = big politics = big corporations
State is dissolving and corporations will take over.

>>712806652
the remake made it easier to access and play but it looks worse most of the time. Shame its one of my favourite PS games, wish we got more indie shit inspired by it

>>712809417
This is precisely how I've felt since playing it back in 2000. It's why I genuinely have more fun making a new character and taking my time getting through act 1 than I do playing my decked out end game characters. The lore, the pacing, the atmosphere, the environmental storytelling, the bosses, the quests, the sense of progression in you character as you go from 0 gold and items to a full belt of potions, town portals and identity scrolls, full set of magic or rare gear, tons of skills etc. I love it. Fuck I'm gonna go make another new character and spend the next 2 hours in gaming bliss.
>t. 38 years old in August and been enjoying this game for the last 25 years

>>712812961
This game was for 25 years on the shelves

>>712799924 (OP)
Wtf did this guy do to deserve getting trolled so hard by arch demons

>>712809964
Can’t you just quit out and come back in to get a new map?

>>712812961
diablo 2 is two kinds of games. At the one hand it is an action adventure. You slowly build up your character with loot, gain new skills, and explore dungeons. If you do all the side content you'll hit 30 and get your ultimate abilities just as you close in on baal. NM and hell are just there to give it some longevity.

The other diablo 2 is a degenerate slot machine in which you TP to mephisto and blizzard him down a 1000 times to get a ton of epix and fry your brain.

The fact both exist at the same time and both are godlike experiences is impressive. The latter is what makes D2 a forevergame. But diablo clones sadly dont understand the other half of the equation. Even Diablo 3 thought that diablo is loot slot machine. I think that is why other ARPGs never managed to hook me. They were so focussed on getting you hooked on crack they never wondered if maybe you wanted to mellow out on some weed first.

>>712813738
I finished the game on normal at around lvl 60. Played 8 players in the options though.

>>712813738
>ARPGs never managed to hook me
Grim dawn has a little story in the beginning, but it falls of very quickly.

>>712814076
>Played 8 players in the options though.
Of course Im talking about the basic player experience. AKA just playing through the game, doing every dungeon, no farming, 1P.

>>712814135
It is not even that I dont mind the endgame experience. The way you can have these weird or fun builds is really cool. Like giving the assassin whirlwind with a claw runeword. Or people figuring out how you can turn a level 1 ability like bash into a absolute rape machine.
But the RPG aspect hooked me first. And it is what made me play again. Just slowly grinding through the game, picking fun abilities without caring about saving all my points. Other games never replicated that.
A year ago I tried D3. The toxic response kept me from it for over a decade. Despite them putting much more effort in with ingame cinematics and story, making the town feel more lived in, it didnt hook me at all. At some point I found deckard cain in hte cathedral. he was getting hit by some elite monster. I stood next to the monster, and I out-regened his damage. I dont know what happened, but it is obvious somewhere they completely broke the SP experience.

>>712809887
For me it's the ooga booga gorilladin. Or whatever the fuck the assassin is. Hell, even the barbarian looks like a fag and the druid is a hobo. Dolph Lundgren amazon could be worse.
I really don't understand the point of those redesigns. The characters are a bunch of heroes, they're obviously supposed to be people in their prime, so 20-something dudes. It feels like they thought
>hey, the game came out like 20 years ago, we should age everyone up by 20 years too :^)
or some gay fucking shit like that

>>712812961
Try this mod, I don't think there are other ones ignoring NM and hell
https://d2mods.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=68739

>>712814791

>>712814791
how do you even turn "just a black guy" into a crackhead mugger
it has to be on purpose

>>712814710
>But the RPG aspect hooked me first
Imagine if d2 would be rpg first and slot machine last.

>>712799924 (OP)
Going by that pic alone you can see the left one has an exaggerated expression that makes it impress as larger than life while the right is just trying to ape reality by depicting a realistic old man.
I think that's the main issue, devs just using powerful tech to make everything lifelike and thus ultimately dull.

>>712805826
I guess they wanted to differentiate her from Soceress and Assassin.

>>712802279
Is this supposed to imply that we should respect remakes more? I'd love to hear your bullshit explanation.

>>712816203
>Does that mean [thing nobody said]?
No, and I have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

>>712809283
>OVERanimation
not real, retard. What, you think animation is something you can drive over like a bridge? lmao what a fucking retard lol

>>712816131
Except they didnt. They were mentally castrated retards that are afraid of attractive female characters. see >>712809081

>>712799924 (OP)
Marius in D2 was much better because his trauma far beyond comprehension while remake, just another tired old man.

>>712816404
Those two ideas aren't mutually exclusive, for whatever positive or negative that entails.

>>712816404
Yeah it's literally retarded numale devs
Remember HotS? That game had an older version of the D2 amazon where she was still hot in her 50s with white hair.
Meanwhile this is supposed to be her in her prime. What the fuck.

>>712816480
The original devs managed with a tiny sprite.
>blonde
>raven
>brown skin
You already know which is which based on that.
or how about their gear
>staff
>claws
>bow/jav
Or the many other things like the standing posture, running animation, etc.

If you arent talented enough to get hired to make something original, maybe you should take that as a hint that you're not as good as the guys youre remaking. So stick to their designs rather than rubbing your shitstained hands all over it

>>712816245
With all of the shameless shilling for remakes that happens here every hour of every day, as well as the constant attempts at minimizing their original games, you can't figure how that would make people jumpy?

Should I assume your ignorance is genuine?

>>712816851
Okay, so again, you're talking about something unrelated to what I said. Wanting to differentiate isn't the same as "we can't differentiate". It's a desire to make differences more apparent.

I don't know why you're having a hard time with this.

>>712817539
I mean you sound like a disingenuous fucking faggot who just wants to start an argument, so you tell me.

All I said is it's harder to recreate than create. That's not a matter of respect or value, it's a matter of fact due to the need for precision. It's not inherently more valuable, it just requires more specific work.

>>712809283
i agree

>>712817590
smearing shit over the birth of venus, and pissing all over the primavera makes the differences also more apparent. But there is a good reason conservators dont do that.

This is trannylator tiers of cope.

>>712817760
*I'm* being disingenuous? You're the one who can't read the fucking room. I'm starting an argument with you because I think you're hiding something.

>>712818094
>"I'M being disingenuous?"
Yes. I'm talking about how recreating David by hand is harder than it was for Michaelangelo to make David, because there is no choice involved. It is precision in the emulation of another work. That doesn't mean someone who did that deserves more respect. You made that part up because you're looking for reasons to be mad.

>>712817590
NTA but they made them look more similar in a way when they were perfectly distinct before
the assassin was a pale white skinned goth and turned into a brown skinned asian, making her look more similar to the sorceress than before

>>712816805
HotS deserved better. The team never had any problems making cool/sexy versions of characters that absolutely style on the 'modernized' versions pushed out in WoW and their other games.

>>712799924 (OP)
Stylization.
It looks like a game instead of ahitty movie

>>712799924 (OP)
nostalgia glasses

>>712802851
realism is absence of design

>>712818354
Fair enough, we're talking intent rather than execution.

Kojima was on to something with that one character in MGS2 having armpit stubble. he truly is a genius. however i think he made a mistake not expanding on that concept in MGS4. I think that the female soldiers should all have had armpit cutouts where there was an area without fabric to show them off. I also think he should have made a list of 20 or so armpit hair styles and made it so every female soldier spawns with a randomized one. He had access to the technology with PS3s advanced hardware. i also think that he should have made some gear for Snake to use where he could detect the path that those guards had taken that operates on detecting armpit sweat clouds in the air. it would have looked like night vision. the controller would vibrate more frequently the closer you get.

>>712818314
>You made that part up because you're looking for reasons to be mad.
So your ignorance is not genuine, then. You really do think I'm going to fall for this.

No need to look for reasons to be mad when you just can't seem to stop giving them.

>>712816805
old face looks old too

>>712807712
I'm tired of seeing knights and paladins blackwashed

>>712818478
yeah it was great. i watched some dev interview on a stream a few years back with one of the female lead artists, and she basically explained how she intentionally gave most characters bigger boobs and thighs and butts for visual clarity, so you could still see the shapes from a top down perspective. absolutely wild how different the HotS team was compared to the rest of blizzard and even the D2R devs, who were not even part of blizzard at the time.

>>712808351
>old thing good new thing bad
Because things never get objectively worse, uh?

>>712809343
She shouldn't be old and grizzled period.
Female character = hot
period

fragile coomers

>>712815119
it wasn't even "just a black guy", he always looked like italian/spanish guy not a nigger, and they turned him into a total negroid

>>712819391
pedoera cultist spotted

>>712819391
fragile pedo

>>712807410
His model wasn't hi-def enough to turn him into a true afroamerican, but in his concept art he was black-black

>>712810078
It's as simple as "Technology over Artistry"
Unreal Engine faces are now created via a highly polished process which turns scans and mocap data into a hyper realistic facsimile of a real person. There is no longer any room for artistic intent or interpretation. This is by design because those who own the process would rather place their investment in a process than in the individual talents of creatives which they can not perfectly control

Modern Western games are fantastically, impressively ugly on purpose. Not just ugly in the objective beauty sense, but ugly in the sense that they lack any soul or meaning or value, they are simply technology leveraged to create high fidelity Stuff. They are not always AI generated, but they might as well be

>>712799924 (OP)
I mean, they look so fucking weird and alien that it just sticks in your mind more

>>712805826
I hate the Druid especially. Fucking ugly designs all around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfq4H6Ouqdc

>let's make the music of the first dungeon an earworm

>>712818931
"Falling for" it being more technically difficult to recreate something? Come the fuck on, you're such a blatant faggot. Most artists can't even perfectly replicate their own art, piss off dude.

>>712800164
Pic very related

Old good, new bad, but unironically.

>>712820296
You might want to work on your gaslighting - you're not good at playing ignorant.

>>712811446
fictional characters can't consent

>>712819564
I always thought it was obvious comparing pally portrait to a3 merc and how dark a3 mercs were and not arab looking like a2 merc

>>712820989
they're fictional

>>712818354
WTF is that contrast setting

>>712821358
i guess they changed gamma and contrast to make it more bright, couldn't find a better image

>>712818354
Hori, that's true!

Modern games are just... boring? Have you noticed how older just simply look better? Or have some sort of tech that you never see in modern games? It's like... almost every new game is some UE5 project set in some desert with the same looking characters, textures, designs, everything. Everything looks the same? Like, it's so laughable, if you put R6S and like, Assasin's creed, and COD mw next to each other they'd al look the same

>>712821358
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcy7d2mNODw

>>712816805
They also made a skin for Nova that is original amazon.
>what could've been

>>712823685
>it even has the subtle nipple bumps
dangerously based

>>712820734
>Can't engage, just keeps shitposting
Fag

>>712799924 (OP)

Limitations breed creativity.

For example, the use of and intentional lack of lighting to hide the worst parts of a scene, etc.

>>712818985
OG amazon does not look like some grumply old man, kys.

>>712799924 (OP)
Old good, new bad.

>>712799924 (OP)
They say power corrupts, but money corrupts much faster.

>>712799924 (OP)
nostalgia in your case
diablo 2 is fucking dogshit

>>712824790
Money IS power.

>>712799924 (OP)
they were designed by white/japanese people and not indians

>>712799924 (OP)
I don't know about model quality changes, but original cinematics had insanely good direction. Comparing D2 and D3 cinematics is like day and night.

>Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you’ve set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern city of Kurast. There, you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate, Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!

>>712819440
i always saw him as an east african despite the low res
also having black characters wasn't new since the mage in d1 was black

>>712825856
Why did I follow him?
I don't know.
Why do things happen as they do in dreams?

>>712820656

>>712814791
MOVIN ON UP

>>712825856
did tyrael ever beat anyone in a fight?

>>712814967
>sorceress looks the same
Not true she was also aged, it's just that he still retains some of a hot mommy vibe instead of a complete sexless husk like the Amazon.

>>712828118
>Not true she was also aged
which is dumb because she has dialogue in act 2 where someone is surprised that the zann esu sent such a young and inexperienced sorceress to kill the prime evils

>>712826737
>still flattened the tits
>gave her a gay censorship-skirt
>shortened the loincloth-thing for some dumb reason
There's more, but why bother. You're disqualified.

>>712829058
>slopper has zero sense of style
wow, got any more revelations
maybe how the face is some gay korean face chinkfiltered to shit?

>>712826638
why did he do it bros?

>>712826737
Eh, just upres the og design instead.

>>712799924 (OP)
left is an artist's, almost cartoony, depiction of an old man. right is just a face scan.

>>712809887

>Old Mephisto looks weird because he's literally wearing the flesh of the high priest he was possessing
>"HMMM BUT WHAT IF THE PLAYERS DON'T RECOGNIZE HE'S A DEMON VILLAIN? JUST MAKE HIS FACE A DEMON SKULL"

>>712830113
This here >>712820656 is actually the OG 3D model before it got turned into a 2D sprite, the original artist posted it on twitter

>>712830035
why did tyrael believe this guy would be able to destroy the stone?
he put a lot of faith in him

>>712800164
Basically this, realism kills the suspension of disbelief, which ultimately degrades any style that is injected.

>>712831894
considering he's a junkie and managed to sneak his way from Kurast through the jungle to the Durance of Hate alone and weaponless, I'd say he was pretty good

>>712831894
He probably didn't. But Tyrael was embattled with two lords of Hell, and Marius was his only choice.

>>712820656
>those intersecting capsules at the hips
ah, 2000s models. My beloved

>>712831894
He's an angel, he can probably barely tell apart humans. Like we think all dogs look the same

>>712831125
Imagine missing the mark that much. mephisto being a bloated corpse missing the bottom half was horrifying and awesome.

>>712832489
never underestimate a stubborn crackhead
see: gollum

>>712832896
lmao yeah
to be fair the final result was so low res you couldn't even tell with any model, even pic related who is half naked

>>712809283
I don't

>>712799924 (OP)
Actual artists worked on them before. People who cared about color balance and contrast, camera angles, scene composition, style and so on.
Now it's just "SO REEL" without any consideration for if it actually looks good.

Pic unrelated.

>>712833172
You can also very clearly see it in ninja gaiden black. The way his legs move make the joints obvious once you notice it once.
And the female character designer had some damn good taste. All the girls have muscular legs exposed all the way past the hip. And either a lion curtain or tiny panties to cover the crotch. Thats good design

because remakes are gay and anyone who likes them is a cucked fag

>>712831125
This is just your headcanon, much like Diablo does immediately afterwards, after a certain point prime evils discard all the flesh of their hosts and adopt their preferred form. There's no reason for Mephisto to look like a corpse after being on his host for decades.

>>712833771
remake=/=remaster retard

>>712833793
Mephisto needed to at least partially resemble Sankekur because he directly talked to his priests and tell them how Hatred is actually a good thing and he's definitely not corrupted despite requiring regular human sacrifices.

>>712833998
no, both terms have been used interchangeably to describe each other for various games
and regardless, in the case of "remasters", such as FFX where the game is "the same" but all the faces are worse in design and have less animation than the original meshes

>>712834120
That's a long ass time ago by the time of Diablo 2, Kurast is already a corrupted shithole filled with satanic zealots and everyone knows it's Mephisto's doing.

>>712834451
you're such a nerd, anon.

>>712826541
Yeah, east African is probably the one type of negro that works for a holy warrior of God,a shame they had to go with some ugly bixnood muhfugguh type instead. But it's not like anyone was spared in the remaster.

>>712834534
I just thought the characterization of Mephisto in D4 was cool, since he was always my preferred Prime Evil and he got shafted in D2 so I have a soft spot for his modern design.

>>712833172
if I lived in a humid jungle like kurast I'd try my best to be half naked or more as much as possible too

>>712833708
it was a better time

>>712833708
>lion curtain
I think the word you're looking for is 'loincloth' but honestly I like yours better.

>>712809417
Act 1 feels pretty linear, Act 2 feels more interesting. Act 3 is maddening though, playing it through legit is a huge slog of scouring the jungle looking for your objectives all the while fighting some of the most annoying enemies in the game: Ones that run away from you when you hit them and occasionally revive themselves if you don't go hunt every last one of them down. At least Act 4 just feels like a conclusion with a linear set of deadly enemies between you and your goal.

Seriously, Act 3 might be fine when you're young and have the time to methodically clear out each area but man is it just obnoxious when you're older. It really doesn't help that you can play for an hour or so and not accomplish anything, only to log out and have to do it all over again because the map regenerates when you do.

>>712833793
It's necessary because it looks cool.

>>712834747
He's better than D3 Diablo's characterization, that's for sure.
But we all know Baal is the beest because he's a real character

>>712835310
No I mean loin curtain. It's a tag on booru. A cloth is wrapped around the loins, while a curtain hangs in front. Lion is just a typo

>>712799924 (OP)
Old games were stylized and have soul poured into them, new games just redo the graphics into the most realistic way they can, so all games basically look exactly the same, this is added at how every single piece of dialog that was edgy and today would be considered not politically correct gets sanitized so a literal 5% of the population doesn't get mad at them while alienating the 95% which would actually buy their games.
Remember, leftists and women don't play games, it's financially a suicide to cater your games or any products in general to them.

>>712833793
baal also has the tentacles on his back from his human form. dibbles just shed his human skin entirely because he looks cool in D1. (and in D3 he also looks feminine because he took over a woman's body)

>>712835128
>halfnaked in a swampy town
imagine the bugbites. why the fuck are the grey wolves not all halfnaked chicks. And why arent they useful. I dont want to hire some fag from the desert

>>712835987
A true Diablo staple since the first game

>>712836281
their uselessness is a bit alleviated when you realize that in vanilla D2 you can't carry over mercenaries between chapters, couldn't equip them with any gear or even resurrect them

>>712835532
>>Act 1 feels pretty linear,
It is, but it has good buildup. Every quest leads into the next. Except for the countess which is a really cool side dungeon. In act 2 half the quests are incredibly redundant. The blackened sun, magus and (to a lesser extent) arcane vault quest are all useless. And the 7 tombs gimmick falls completely flat since htey already tell you which one is the real one before you even know they had 7 tombs to begin with. Act 2 should have you first find the 7 tombs at the end of the desert zones. Then you had to go back, go down the harem, find the grand magus, and find out which is the real one.

Act 4 is cool, but considering youre fighting your way through hell to kill diablo in his home turf, it should be a bit bigger to make it feel like a struggle. Instead of a short victory lap

>>712836434
As I said, the artist has a fetish and he went all out. All the girls have their thighs and hips exposed. It's always great to find someone that shares your fetish.

>>712830862
Came here to post this.

>>712836749

>>712819564
Wrong. Stop lying.

>>712836470
they didnt fix them in LOD though.

>>712837534
he looks like an african there, not an african-american

>>712819564

>>712799924 (OP)
Fewer pixels, more effort

>>712837637
>>712837691
He does not look African at all, stop worshiping negros.

>>712833172
>she buys a potion of manliness from me every week!
What did that crazy old pajeet mean by this?

>farm countess for runes for stealth runeword
>Gul drops
>decent MF jewerly drops in act 2
>have 180 MF at the end of act 2 normal

D2 used to be my favorite game. I would grind baal runs for hours on end. Now I find it to be the most boring shit. Literally just spamming one skill. Even when not playing optimized and trying to use more than one the game just doesn't support it to where it feels applicable.

Did the game just get...outdated?

>>712838554
You grew wiser and more experienced, so this is no longer enough to satisfy you.

>>712838554
>>Did the game just get...outdated?
thats what every other Diablo clone tries to do as well. Pick a skill, pump it up to infinity, and plough through endless hordes.

>>712799924 (OP)
Diablo killing Marius didn't make any sense after all he did for him.

>>712838554
D2 is a great palate cleanser. After I spent months on PoE and D4 I just play a game where things are clear and items and abilities don't have several paragraphs worth of mechanics and synergies

>>712839649
It's almost like Satan and his two brother Satans are evil demons that despise humanity....

>>712839649
>Diablo
but it was baal. And I can actually believe it that he thinks killing someone completely insane is a mercy.

>>712837293

>>712839952
Baal, right, its been a while oops.

>>712837293
I know her looking like a floozy is iconic and all, but I really like her in 4

>>712819564
The paladin was always Arabic, or Indian. Case in point the pic looks Middle Eastern not African.

>>712838554
It's a stale genre. You can tell with how PoE and its newest entries borrow damage avoidance mechanics like rolling from better action games, making it more like DMC3 (though the souls games were for sure where they took inspiration from, even if the isometric view+dodging and killing hordes of enemies makes it a lot closer to a dmc/old god of war) Diablo's story, world, vibes and art direction was just so good that it overshadowed the fact that the gameplay was never that good .

>>712825856
>light being inhabiting armor
Still the coolest video game angels to date. Not to fond of what they became in D3 onwards.

>playing D2 while shitposting on 4chan
>magefist drops on nihlak as we speak

>>712826541
We had based niggas back then, now all we have are niggers.

>>712840469
Those scars on her legs kind of look like jap tally marks.

>>712840862
A FITTING DEATH FOR A TRAITOR

>>712838554
play modded d2 to understand how its still the best ARPG on the market that just needs more content
even the heavily modified medianXL has d2 soul which none of the poe-like slops ever will

>>712837293
Would.

>>712841450
>barbarian looks like an old guy who decided to get back in shape by roiding rather than white ronnie coleman
>druid just looks tired of living

>>712820734
This really meant a lot to you huh

I miss old Blizzard bros
https://youtu.be/-00uQzXyujI

>>712841450
honestly only druid and necro work, maybe sorceress but her face is once again uglified and way too chubby
barbarian looks retarded, like literally they took Pyle from full metal jacket and slapped him there
assassin, negro and tranny are a total failures

>>712841450
nu-barbarian looks like a dad about to hit the couch and watch sports with a beer.

>>712841450
>nu amazon is old amazon's dad
>nu assassin is old assassin's replacement to hit the diversity quota for the firm
>nu necromancer is old necromancer cosplayer
>nu barbarian is old barbarian's neighbor who's a big fan of norf FC
>nu paladin is a hobo who stole old paladin's armor while he went for a swim
>nu sorc is old sorc's mom
>nu druid is old druid's hobo uncle

>>712841450
Why everyone lose their shine and color? Every single one is a downgrade in various ways. Modern artists are pathetic.

>>712841756
we all do...

>>712842167
The Starcraft manual is incredible. So much cool art, descriptions of units, backstory for all three races...they really don't do it like that anymore.

Unironically the Diablo III Book of Cain is also really good, but it is a fully supplemental thing. It should have been included with the game or even just as a PDF download.

>>712807410
>If he doesn't look like my imaginary stereotype he's not black!
That's the sort of thing I expect to hear from progressive SJWs, not here.

>>712830035
Fool! You have just ensured the doom of this world. You cannot even begin to imagine what you’ve set in motion this day. Go to the Temple of Light, in the eastern city of Kurast. There, you will find the gate to Hell opened before you. You must find the courage to step through that gate, Marius. Take the stone you hold to the Hellforge, where it will be destroyed. Now run! Take the stone and run!

>>712841756
God fucking dammit every starcraft character they written back then was 10/10.
That Tassadar ending is just a masterpiece, 0 words spoken for 2 minutes making the guy a legend. Nowadays they would slap quirky one line every 10 seconds.

>>712800346
They have pseudo emotions they copied from the slop they consume
Simulacrum golems
It was set in stone once women became a part of the markets

>>712840586
Looks black to me.

>>712840586
sorc is indian, pala is middle eastern or ethiopian

>>712841756
I prefer the vanilla SC cutscenes. Most of them are just of random dudes getting their shit kicked in. Not the hero worship SC2 turned into

>>712841450
They couldn't do the bottom anymore. Modern gamers only care about realism.

>>712843225
>sorc is indian
looks more like princess jasmine to me

>>712843225
Old SC was gritty, brutal and somewhat realistic.

>>712799924 (OP)
stylization and nostalgia working in tandem. there is some merit to both arguments. you really will alter your style and design when working within the limitations of a medium. remove the limitations and the design choices no longer make sense. and nostalgia. it just looked better when you were a kid.

>>712801597
It is just easier and faster to motion capture models than create one from scratch. Like for example creating one character in og Modern Warfare 2 took several weeks, in the reboot it took just a couple of days.

>>712843921
>and nostalgia. it just looked better when you were a kid.
anyone with working pair of eyes can tell its not just nostalgia

>>712843921
>it just looked better when you were a kid.
It looks better now >>712841450

>>712799924 (OP)
contrast

>>712840956
who says they're not?

>>712844172
im assuming the top ones the newer one because of the lighting effects from the fire? i like the bottom one better, honestly.

>>712800295
>MFW I agree with a frogposter

Female characters can exist without needing to be fapbait.

>>712844274
LITERALLY SOULLESS a
what were they thinking? just use the old footage

>>712844495
If someone considered me fapbait, I'd blush

>>712820656
This looks really good for old CG.

>>712845325
Even Diablo 1 had really good cinematics for the time. Blizzard had something going on

>>712844495
hot female characters can exist without needing to be uglified and censored

>>712844636
>>712806652
>let's make the villain look like a disney villain
the fuck were they thinking?

>>712842895
>no words spoken
>first line in the sequel is en taro tassadar
kino

>>712836281
bro emilio is the best

>>712844495

>Hit hell
>Everything have fuckllion of immunities making infinity a must
>Also everything get 50% physical res because fuck you

>>712844838
Why the fuck did blizzard dissolve that team instead of letting them remake WC3 and them D2. They actually care

>>712846123
bitch, amplisa is bestgirl

>>712844495
Yep, however it should not look like an eyesore. you have to look at the character at all times if the game is a TPS or platformer or something, and if it looks ugly as fuck, people will not want to play your game.
For example, Mario is not fapbait (for most people), but Mario is not ugly as fuck, so people like to play games with Mario.

>>712845559
>uglified and censored
You mean "Not being a weird blow-up doll"?

i honestly give blizzard a pass in their rampage of de-sexification of all their games in the wake of bad press due to their developers raping a woman to death. they kinda had to do it to avoid a media dogpile.

>>712799924 (OP)
>original version
>most skilled animator in the building gets rough directions and gets to do what he wants
>remake
>junior developer gets told to recreate the original to his best efforts but with better graphics (also add as many default settings as possible to speed up the development process)

>>712846285
desert merc will rape immunes for you

>>712846382
Nobody buys your tranny slop anymore, you can stop trying to wage a culture war on /v/

>>712846726
I think biggest problem is how awful scaling is, sure merc can rape immunes but you still need deal with big hordes coming and you need ton of grind to get proper gear which is quite tricky at start.

>>712846553
>due to their developers raping a woman to death

>>712846920
yea that actually happened at a company party

>>712846868
yeah, gotta stick to those max level areas that don't have many immunes for your build

>>712847087
It's even worse with melee due retard ass hitrate formula and fact that ranged enemies rape you if they spawn with any fancy mod.

I unironically enjoyed Diablo 3

>>712847246
lmao true, remember iron maiden in chaos sanctuary? good times.

>>712800295
>Posting positively on /v/

>>712847607
>deckard cain getting killed by a butterfly fairy

>>712847657
>game can decide to randomly delete you while youre whirlwinding
a curious choice.

>>712805575
>>712805826
what the hell have they done?

>>712799924 (OP)
Yes, yes, well done, Marius, well done
HOWEVER
jokes aside, that was one of the best executed twists I’ve seen.

>>712848484
i always felt like tyrael was retarded for believing marius would have it in him to go through mephisto's portal to hell, go to the hellforge and smash the soul stone
what the fuck was he thinking, giving that task to a random guy who wasn't even a warrior?

>>712819230
>who were not even part of blizzard at the time
Let's not forget that Blizzard is actually Microsoft these days.
Microsoft owns Activision, who owns Blizzard.

The passionate people at Blizzard that made the games that we grew up with are long gone.

>>712847892
Game still can send retard ass modifiers when it feels like.

Have fun with fanaticism muitishot bows.

>>712799924 (OP)
becasue the first time you see something it is always more magical

someone copying the work with a better engine / technical quality will not impress since its not stimulating any new thoughts inside you.

take the link below for example, and imagine if this was updated, and how much impact it would lose...

https://youtu.be/Rgps2D3LptY

>>712846230

>>712849239
doom guy looks so old

>>712848984
He didn’t really have a choice. It was either that or have him wander around until one of them found it again.

>>712848984
Definitely one of the weaker parts of D2's story. Marius was a vagrant who received charity from the rogue sanctuary. Free room and board and he sat around smoking opium all day. He was a bum.

Absurd to think that man had any heroic bone in his body and could complete such a monumental task like going into the depths of hell.

>>712848984
It's basically an epic breakup of the "unlikely hero" troupe, and a Christian-like redemption arc.
Marius gets a chance to redeem himself by conquering himself but he fails. And ultimately he fails not because he got killed by demons or anything, but because he was a coward, so he dies unceremoniously.

>>712848484
>> jokes aside, that was one of the best executed twists I’ve seen.
it wouldve made zero sense for tyrael to be in disguise.

>>712850270
The starting scene is in some tavern, after the wanderer already took over the rogue cathedral. As for tyrael's quest. It was stupid, but he didnt really have other options. There wasnt a place you could take the soulstone that wouldnt cause a problem in the long term.
(and Im pretty sure the story team at blizzard north, and the cinematic team were communicating that well. The cinematics don't line up that well to the rest of the story.)

Nostalgia thread

>>712824790
OPs image didn't have any conservative retard pandering so anon had to fix that real quick

>>712850951
It has zero mention of political affiliation yet you IMMEDIATELY realized that things were better before when people in general were more conservative.

>>712828539
modern western vidya devs are not allowed to sexualize women before menopause

>>712849329
You have autism

>Still no zod drop

heh, its funny to think that they never really followed up on diablo 2. i wonder what tyrael looks like lol

>>712852545
haha i wonder what happened to deckard cain haha

>>712852545
It's insane how D1 practically created the action RPG genre, and D2 birthed looter games. And then, nothing.

>>712852376
You save images with watermarks, which is worse?

>>712799924 (OP)
It's not low effort realismshit. Yes, yes, I know, making le 10 billion polygon realistic model is hard but ultimately pointless and soulless, the old games are a product of their time and the way they are made and presented is what gives it the "soul", nowadays everything is realismslop so it just falls flat. Just take the old game and make it compatible with newer systems, stop remaking or "remastering" everything to be the exact same low-effort realismslop.