This game looks good, I don't get the hate

It's not made by Itagaki

>parryshit with some OC donutsteel

>>712915608
Old games had parrying too.

It looks good but it damn sure ain't Ninja Gaiden
its not even ryu hayabusa no i dont care if he's in the story
maybe i'm just old and feel the same way people my age did when mgs2 didnt have snake in it, but mgs2 was still an mgs game

>Buy Ninja Gaiden 4 and tell Koei Tecmo "we're fine with shovelware Platinum shit that is Ninja Gaiden in name only"
>"Don't buy Ninja Gaiden 4 and tell both Koei Tecmo and the industry as a whole "we don't want proper action games, please keep making Soulsshit"

Grim. Hilarious but still grim.

>>712915473 (OP)
I am maining the rapier/drill, thank you very much.

not everyone is a blind fanboy or a shill

>>712915817
Ryu is literally playable

>>712915473 (OP)
Unfortunately it will probably flop, but I think it looks good too anon.
I really hope it doesn't flop

>>712915695
Sekiro invented parrying retard

>>712917672
Is it already known how much time they will devote to Ryu? I think it will be like with the girls in Razor's Edge, that is, three levels out of fifteen or something. It's not worth it

>>712918490
>Is it already known how much time they will devote to Ryu?
assume it will be the same as dmc4
same levels but with ryu and no story
so shit like always anyone tries to do this

>>712918490
It is not known exactly how much other than being less than Yakumo

It looks pretty good but the main problem is it isn’t made by Team Ninja and Ryu is seemingly replaced as MC. This is a monkey’s paw situation, even granted that TN fucked up with NG3 I don’t like how they outsourced this one and are also trying to butcher Nioh with open world and some forced class swap shit. Like just make Ninja Gaiden so I can be a badass ninja and make Nioh so I can be a badass samurai, is it that difficult to understand? TN had a bit of a resurgence with Nioh and I really hope they don’t fuck it up with this combination of decisions.

>>712918490
plat stated that yakumo is the main character and is their main focus, so I suspect 80/20 split in favor of yakumo while ryu will be sidelined. I suspect that's also why they didn't bother giving ryu any other weapons besides the sword or at least not even bothered to show any while constantly showing yakumo with different weapons.

>>712915473 (OP)
DEI woke slop

>>712918490
We don't know.

>>712919958
How so?

>>712915473 (OP)
It's not made for ninja gaiden fans, it's made for tourists

>>712915959
You chose the later. We don't want more ninja gaiden if it's gonna be like this and the game already made it's money back more or less because xbox is funding it + putting it on gamepass day 1.

Platinum should die anyways because they've been putting out shit for way too long now and anybody that has some creative talent left. THere's no reason for that company to exist now especially when it's gonna plop a steaming shit on the grave of ninja gaiden.

>>712921109
its made for fans
fans are FANATICS
they buy anything of the shit they love
thats why i call them blind fanboys, or shills

>>712921379
fan and fanatic are literally two different words you mongoloid.

>>712921263
>plop a steaming shit on the grave of ninja gaiden.
It can't be any worse than OG3 or Yaiba. This game will be fine.

>>712921563
if you are retarded yes

>>712921563
Retard

>>712921606
Yaiba was intentionally bad which looped back into being kino, NG4 will just be mid.

>>712921698
If you know the english language, yes. You're literally ignoring the definition of words to try and get a cheap "gotcha" to someone who doesn't know what words are.

Why are "people" acting like it's the same old Platinum that made nothing but garbage? The main tumor behind their worst games & decisions is no longer there, and the other rats have fucked off as well. Only the truly passionate genuine talent stayed with the intention to start afresh, under the mentorship of Team NINJA's finest minds. Microsoft literally wouldn't've greenlit the project had it been the same dogshit fraud company, they still remember the Scalebound fiasco. The path is clear for us to rule.

>>712915959
This is the only NG you're getting, its either this or nothing

>>712921950
>doubling down on retardation

>>712922235
retard

>>712921901
>/v/ defends Yaiba
Of course

>>712915473 (OP)
It isn't literally Ninja Gaiden 2. That's all. Any additional enemies, weapons, bosses, levels will all be written off by the zealots as 'Not Ninja Gaiden' because they weren't in Ninja Gaiden 2.

>>712915473 (OP)
>I don't get the hate
Nigja gaiden is dogshit.

>>712922476
Sad but true. The fanbase cannibalizes itself.

>>712921106
It's a bot

>>712922476
It's not Ninja Gaiden 1
It's not Ninja Gaiden 2
It's not Ninja Gaiden 3(RE)
It's not Ninja Gaiden period.

If you like ninja gaiden, like actually like it, why the fuck would you want this game? What about it is ninja gaiden?

>>712922092
NTA but I just want OG NG2 on PC, that's all I ask.

>>712921901
>Yaiba is now the DMC2 of the series

>>712922782
>What about it is ninja gaiden?
Izuna drop
Flying Swallow
UTs
OTs
Fiends
Dark Dragon
Dragon Sword
Ryu
Ninjas
Essence
Mix of near future and industrial city scapes combined with ancient Japanese mysticism and folklore

>>712922782
It will probably be more similar to NG 3 than NG 2 was to 1. Not every entry in a series will be or should be the same this is a normal thing among normal fanbases.

>>712923007
Yeah I'm thinking
GOTHIC...
NINJASPHERE...
KIIIIIIIINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>712922476
Why is 2 the standard to them? It's kinda shit.

>>712919390
>It looks pretty good but the main problem is it isn’t made by Team Ninja
That's not a problem, that's a good thing. Team Ninja can't make anything other than soulshit anymore. Yasuda said so himself in an interview.
If they made NG4 it would have a stamina bar, you would be able to jump no more than your height, it would be impossible to reliably fight groups of enemies and the bosses would have a larger move pool than the player character.
For better or worse, Platinum is one of the very rare studios in the industry with experience of making fast-paced slasher games. The only other studio I can think of that could make a proper NG game in 2025 onwards is Capcom. Give the IP to any other studio and all you'll be getting is either soulshit, parry slop or gacha trash.

It's a japshit garbage. it's shit by default. Nothing out of that shithole been good.

>New protagonist (Ragebound) :-D
>New protagonist (NG4) :-(

>>712923181
No clue, it's probably the first one they played as kids. Since they have no self awareness that means everything before it is irrelevant and everything after it is a betrayal.

>>712915695
Defense in NG didn't work like in your average hack'n slash or Souls. A parry was an extension of your blocking to give more agenda to the player. I find it more engaging and fun than any Sekiro clone.

>>712923562
It works more or less the same in NG4.

I just noticed it, but Ryu has a blue glow on his right arm, and its bandaged too.

>>712922092
Sometimes nothing is preferable.

>>712923043
>Izuna drop
It's just a move, ninja gaiden isn't the only series that has it either
>Flying Swallow
And?
>UTs
take a back seat because of yakumo's gay ass giant army clearing blood shit
>OTs
Only thing kept in tack that is unique to the series
>Fiends
Hardly, based on footage you'll be fighting cybercops more than ninjas or fiends
>Dark Dragon/Dragon Sword
Superfluous
>Ryu
Hardly and from what we've seen he's literally just the same old Ryu, nothing new, might not even have more than the dragon sword
>Ninjas
Not unique to NG
>Essence
Takes a back seat like UTs
>Mix of near future and industrial city scapes combined with ancient Japanese mysticism and folklore
Ninja Gaiden 4's world looks nothing like any of the previous NG games. It's world and character designs are completely different and look like astral chain 2 rejects.

>>712923114
>It will probably be more similar to NG 3 than NG 2 was to 1
The only thing it has in common with NG3 is using some of the sword moves added to 3. It has red flash attacks but they're not SoB attacks (which is good).
>Not every entry in a series will be or should be the same this is a normal thing among normal fanbases.
All of the 3 ninja gaiden games are different but they all share roughly the same DNA with NG3 having the least (removing essence entirely). NG4 shouldn't be a copy of either of the games, it should be bringing back what fans love and improving upon it. What do we get? here's your faggot twink OC donut steel who will take up 80% of the story and plays nothing like Ryu while we add a ton of new mechanics that have nothing to do with the core gameplay of NG and in fact take away from it. They've turned into a platinum game where you mash away and at any time you cancel into a dodge (with slow mo) and adding oh so trendy parries to the game coupled with god of war tier AoE attacks. There's nothing NG about this game beyond ryu

>>712923837
Probably some updated version of steel on bone? Yakumo seems to have so many new abilities surely Ryu has at least something to keep up.

>>712923416
gee I wonder what the core difference between the two are

>>712923939
Imagine being this fucking bitter and jaded holy shit.

Hope it's an interconnected map like 1.

>>712923181
>It's kinda shit.
How so?

>>712923837
Yeah and the arm stopped glowing after unleashing the ninpo. I wonder if it's a reworked bloody rage thing (like the powered UTs in 3RE but for Ninpo) since his arm was glowing in that game too, or it's just there to indicate the Ki bar being full.

>>712923939
There's no way anyone can look at this and say it looks more like Rising than Ninja Gaiden. I think it's literally just the camera, if it had the same (shitty) camera system as the old games it'd be undeniable. The main problem is a lot of fans aren't actually aware of what made Ninja Gaiden feel so distinct from other action games, like Ninja Gaiden.

>>712915473 (OP)
>doesn't play like NGB
>doesn't play like NGII
>movement isn't weighty
what's the point?

>>712923562
You're describing parry like it's a Sekiro parry.

NG's parry mechanics work more like dark souls where you're committing to a full animation and it has startup before the parry becomes active and then in NG on success it gave you a unique attack and each weapon had two different counters with different attacks. This is how most parries worked until sekiro made developers think no startup parries with THIRTY fucking frames of active frames was somehow more "skillful" so everyone started copying it.
3RE added the cicada surge ability which let you cancel any attack into it, which would not stun enemies or do an attack but simply teleport you behind them and this was really good, importantly it cost a special resource to use so spamming it mindlessly would prevent you from using your ninpo (which is also needed to heal) so while the parry was "instant" it didn't give an immediate big benefit and it had weight behind being tight to such an important resource.

Ultimately the point is that NG already had it right. Counters + cicada surge are fun and add a lot to the game and are especially unique compared to todays landscape. They took that way because platinum are retarded faggots

>>712924538
>There's no way anyone can look at this and say it looks more like Rising than Ninja Gaiden
They don't actually play these games. They just want to be mad.

>>712924084
Look at the enemy list.

In NG it's just you blocking and pressing the attack button after blocking an attack. Not like Dark Souls at all.

>>712924538
What looks like ninja gaiden there? LE EPIC CUTSCENE DECAPITATIONS? The most boring fucking mechanic shitagaki ever conceived? MGR is a platinum one off, a lot of it's mechanics don't really share much with their other games.
Epic slow mo dodge into a combo that ends with a giant morphing attack is more in common with fucking bayonetta.

Very telling that whoever made this webm decided to record the latter half of the fight which is just OT OT combo>OT charge combo (with armor)>OT.

>>712923939
zSenzy? Is that you? Also you're moving the goalpost a lot buddy. Calm down.

This bishonen is causing so much seethes.

>>712925186
Stop being so ironic and obnoxious and maybe people will take you more seriously.

>>712924630
>more like dark souls
Stopped reading there. Holy shit this board is full of posers.

>>712925297
When you see someone who went out of his way to show how cool Ninja Gaiden is on real authentic hardware just to get mocked by "NG fanbase" it proves my point that there is no real fanbase for this franchise. They are Randoms from other spaces clinging to Ninja Gaiden. They've exposed themselves when they mentioned NG2, NG4 will damage NG3RE reputation the most. You have insane NG3RE players doing insane stuff and nobody cares, non of their achievements are celebrated or Recognized. From the stuff we have seen so far NG4 is a low IQ version of NG3RE so imagine NG4 players doing stupid stuff and they get celebrated and highlighted by the public while the real NG3RE Legends get left out unnoticed. Severe damage. Also, when you go to Metal Gear community look how they appreciate Kojima. When you go to Ninja Gaiden community they have animosity towards itagaki. Those people are frauds. Ninja Gaiden is the only franchise on the planet without a real fanbase.

>>712925186
Again, a lot of you just don't understand what actually made Ninja Gaiden games Ninja Gaiden games. You hyperfocus on shit that doesn't really matter so much like slow motion dodging. It's about how you engage the enemies and how they engage you, holding block for a moment to survey, isolating easier targets, and yes obliterating dismembered enemies.
>Very telling that whoever made this webm decided to record the latter half of the fight which is just OT OT combo>OT charge combo (with armor)>OT.
I think you're confused. You're the one trying to make it not sound like Ninja Gaiden.

>>712925297
>>712925515
>>712925519
Notice how people don't choose to engage in a sincere argument when someone actually tells them exactly why they're wrong and goes in depth explaining how things work?

Very telling that you people have nothing of value to say but want to pretend like your misinformed opinion deserves to be heard anyways.

>>712925519
There's only two genders. The Dark Souls parry and the Sekiro deflect.
>>712925559
Where is it from? See nothing on his channel.

>>712925559
Yup, it's definitely you zSenzy.

>>712925750
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stgKmckckmE
Check the comment section

>>712915473 (OP)
Hopefully it’s good but without Itagaki it’s highly likely it won’t feel like classic 3D NG, looks more like Bayonetta or MGR which if I wanted a game to play like those I would just play the games themselves.

>>712925905
>that other guy larping as an Itagaki truther while only having ng2b videos on his channel

>>712923181
Because it being written off and """difficult""" to access by a lot of people lets them farm it for their own ego while pretending it's far more than what it is. You'll notice any time actual criticism is levied against it they constantly resort to circular logic, denial, hypocrisy and plain gaslighting to avoid contending with the statements. Because it would mean they would have to be honest with themselves that the game is an entertaining spectacle that falls apart under its own weight with several contradictory systems and design philosophies that ultimately leave it an unfinished and broken game emphasizing the worst of its predecessor no matter how hard it tried to improve on it. Ironically all they do is highlight its shortcomings and drown the best aspects of it in their crusade against every other game, which just goes to show that they are a cancer on the whole of Ninja Gaiden.

>>712915473 (OP)
Same

>>712926264
nta but does itagaki schizo have a jewtube channel?

>>712926583
It used to be a lot worse when xbox emulation was bad so anybody who played the sigma versions would be waved off because they didn't get the "true" experience even tho most of the faults of 2 are present in either version. But now that 360 emulation is good it's easier to play the original and see just how full of shit these people always were.
It doesn't matter tho because NG2 is still the most popular and well known game and people will parrot the opinion that it's the best and hardest ever. They kept doing this with Sigma 1 too.

Nobody in here is defending NG2 tho. Just a bunch of retards trying to pretend NG4 is the best or that NG fans only hate 4 because it's not 2.

>>712921106
Gay main character.

>>712924027
wow he look so cool!
I'm glad he has been chosen to replace Ryu!

>>712926583
You sound like some sissy cringelord from /lit/
Fuck off

>>712927095
I don't.

>>712925695
Those are not sincere arguments. They are full of insincerity, spite and vitriol.
And some of them are frankly just straight up WRONG.
Ninja Gaiden counters are nothing like Dark Souls parry, that's a ridiculous thing to say and makes me feel like you are just a shitposter who have never played the game.

>>712925645
Ninja Gaiden combat is at it's best when it's about dealing with multiple mobile and aggressive enemies at once. This is mostly used through strong defensive tools such as blocking, dodging, and movement like wind path to position yourself more safely and using specific crowd control tools to keep enemies at bay like shurikens/windpath and OL 360+Y's or other i-frame moves.

This webm is not made by someone who is good and this is the beginning level but a lot of the movement he does here is just random with no point. Blocking is fine but he dodges and immediately goes into a combo to punish the enemy and when a single enemy attacks him he just armors through it like nothing happened while he just happens to catch 3 enemies in an absurdly long range attack that delimbs 2 of them for no brainer OTs while enemies pretty much stand still the while time. This guy is playing it like a hack n slash and it's working because nothing is forcing him to play in a more interesting way and I can pretty much guarantee it'll still be like this on higher difficulty levels.

Why does this game feel so similar to Ninja Gaiden 2?

>>712927907
It's literally the normal (easy now) difficulty. You people are so fucking stupid, I don't know why I even put myself in a position to view the garbage you spew.

>>712927618
Read what I said. When I say it's like a dark souls parry i'm directly comparing to a sekiro parry.

Sekiros parry has no start up, a lot of active frames, and quick recovery
Dark souls parry has start up and doesn't have a lot of active frames and has a decent amount of recovery that punishes you for doing it too early.

Ninja gaidens is closer to a DS parry because it's not instant. It requires you to press the button more pre-emptively

whens the last time platinums made a good game?

>>712928116
This guy is playing on easy and you're overanalyzing his gameplay like he's a pro. The closest thing he does to doing something that is more unique to ninja gaiden than other action games is when he jumps into shurikens then follows up to attack that specific enemy. That's it.

>>712927451
I know it's you, Mayo.

>>712928269
2015

>>712928269
I enjoyed Transformers, Bayo3 and Astral Chain.

>>712915473 (OP)
Because weird fucks want Ninja Gaiden 2
Not a remake, not a remaster, not nothing
They want them to literally rerelease Ninja Gaiden 2

>>712928269
Bayonetta 3 is good if you ignore the new character

>>712928274
I didn't analyze shit, I just hopped in to call you a retard.

>>712928915
>n-n-no I didn't

>>712928502
A Platinum adaptation of the new image comic book would be kino, especially with the wrestling moves.

>>712927189
>Nobody in here is defending NG2 tho. Just a bunch of retards trying to pretend NG4 is the best or that NG fans only hate 4 because it's not 2.
No one has said NG4 is the best because it's not out yet, not even those who are excited about it the most. But you only have to look at those who are actively brigading against it, in the same way they brigaded against both the Master Collection and 2 Black, and the level of ignorant kneejerk criticism which half the time isn't even true, to see who is behind it. It's not like they make it a secret.

>>712928269
Origins

>>712928415
Kek
He can't play these games for shit. That NG 2 livestream you guys linked was hilarious.

>>712928670
>They want them to literally rerelease Ninja Gaiden 2

>>712918490
Plat should just add character select option, this would alleviate some of the concern of their OC donut steel overshadowing Ryu and sidelining him. Also tone down the journo/accessibility shit with the exclamation marker and red arrows, increase enemy count/aggression and give Ryu a classic HUD/UI and it would be a step in the right direction. Ryu having only one weapon still stings but they could potentially add more weapons for Ryu in free updates.

Brother, how do you know Ryu only has one weapon when we have 3 minutes of gameplay for him?

>>712928129
>Ninja gaidens is closer to a DS parry because it's not instant. It requires you to press the button more pre-emptively

>Defense in NG didn't work like in your average hack'n slash or Souls. A parry was an extension of your blocking to give more agenda to the player.

That describe the first NG more, where you could hold block the whole time, and press the button only when an enemy's immediately connects with your block, or very slightly after. There's no real equivalent in Souls games. For NG2-3, yeah it's closer to Dark Souls parry.

>>712931478
They showed Yakumo with several weapons and haven't bothered showing Ryu with any other weapon besides the sword as of yet. They still have five months to add more so I guess we'll see.

Ninja Gaiden 4 will be
>Better than 3
>Better than 3RE
>Better than Yaiba
>Better than NG1
>Better than Sigma 2
>Better than NG Vita
But also
>Be as good as NGB but not better (old fag mind)
>Be as good as NG2 but not better (old fag mind)
Like you fuckers don't realize how many BAD GAMES there are in this series. You're delusional as hell if you NG4 will worse than the shit listed above and at worse it'll be under the two god games - NGB & NG2 meaning in in the top fucking three best 3D games in the whole series. That's just how shit ninja gaiden is in reality. Fucking garbage series

>>712931478
I'm starting to think the bitching about Ryu potentially having 1 weapon is a bit silly considering Yakumo so far has at least 8.

>>712932235
>Yakumo so far has at least 8.
4 normals and 4 powered up versions?

>>712932235
>Yakumo so far has at least 8

The truth is even if its a shittier NG2 and just Metal Gear Rising 2 it would still be better than 99% of modern gaming.

The current state of the industry is grim

>>712924408
Ok so after rewatching the IGN vid it seems to be the latter. Yakumo's arm glows when the meter is full and when it's not the arm is just red. Curious whether they kept the traditional input for ninpo or there's a new one. I think cicada surge is on RT+A now, and RT X&Y are reserved for the new followups (https://youtu.be/E2NnqO92d7M?si=iw52XeK1vUtAld9a&t=63), so it would make sense to use RT+B. Still wonder how you activate berserk gauge.
>>712931848
They haven't even showed the talons for Yakumo yet despite spoiling them in the deluxe edition rewards.
>>712932235
It's probably just 4.

Even if Ryu only had one weapon, they can always give him a bigger moveset, right?

how hard is NGB really? I dig the aesthetic, I'm just not much of an action guy, most I've played is stuff like RE4, Vanquish, Fromshit

>>712932740
>>712932960
>>712933596
Yes, from what they've shown in the gameplay the transformed versions appear to have their own moveset, the sword does multiple smaller attacks on top of the big charged slashes.

I don't get why people are filtered by Ninja Gaiden. It's a hard game yea, but there's ways around it. The first boss for example: Your sword has a slightly longer range than its attacks. Just stay out of its range and smack it with your sword.

>>712924538
This looks like a Sonic game

>>712935307
GOTTA GO FAST

>>712931848
It's so stupid. All you'd have to do is rip the attacks from NG2B (or any other version) and it should keep them happy

>>712935435
It even has Subway Surfers rail grinding just like Sonic!

>>712915473 (OP)
>platinum
there, get it now

Does /v/ like or hate NG4?
Sometimes I buy games just to spite /v/

>>712923562
>A parry was an extension of your blocking to give more agenda to the player.
its a regular parry past ng1, idk why do you guys come up with the most pretentious slop ever just to say "I am not like you guys"

>>712934968
>how hard is NGB really?
>not much of an action guy
>like RE4
You might enjoy 1. Has the adventure elements along with well designed combat the same as RE4. If you're concerned about difficulty then stick to lower modes and you will have a good time.

>>712935947
I love NG4 so much I married NG4 and I'm naming my son after NG4.

>>712934968
it's doable on normal for your first playthrough, but it has a learning curve and some boss fights are a huge pain

>>712935947
/v/ hates NG4

>>712935947
/v/ hates everything theses days

>>712936305
Wrong >>712936217

>>712915473 (OP)
Doesn't look nor feel like Ninja Gaiden at all. Generic, floaty Platinum slop with no sense of impact whatsoever.

>>712936446
>nor feel like Ninja Gaiden
Have you played it?

>>712936517
of course

ng4 rapes

>>712935947
/v/ is one person and that person is ME. FUCK NG4 and every retarded, clueless secondary defending it.

I don't like Yakumo's design at all.

I wish xenia wasn't so shit, the sound bug happens a lot to me

I am an NGB MNM chaddy and I have decided Ninja Gaiden 4 looks like a fun time.

>>712938056
Me neither.
It's mostly the face mask and his two toned hair to be honest.
His outfit is otherwise fine.
I think he is too skinny. I think it would've made for a more interesting character if they made him an even bigger beefcake than Ryu. He looks pretty generic.
You can tell he was designed by a fujo who reads yaoi porn.
My cope is that the two toned hair has some story importance and it turns all white or al black later because he is actually half fiend or some raven clan magic shit.

I beat ngs1 on very hard, modded ngs2 on MN, and ng3re on normal (don't judge pls), and I have decided that the game is alright

>>712937536
I like this image.

>>712938556
>don't judge pls
Nah you good

I really hope the master/ultimate ninja difficulty is insane. I'll play as budget tokyo ghoul homo if the challenge is there. The hud looks disgusting too, and that circle which shows where enemies are has got to go, hopefully there's an ingame option to tyrn it off... but if not there'll prolly be mods for it.

Fingers crossed for chapter challenge so we can do all stages as Ryu.

I will never understand posts like >>712940831. We know modern games suck cock and game design is lost art, and still this cunt expects a fucking chapter challenge.

>>712941418
>expects a fucking chapter challenge.
This. It wasn't added in NG2B either. Wouldn't expect it in 4 unfortunately.

>>712940330
thank you gamer-san

>>712941545
ng2b has chapter challenge and ng+ was added post launch...
besides, chapter challenge is a basically level select, nothing crazy about expecting something like this

>>712941545
2 Black does have Chapter Challenge stop lying

>>712941872
So it's the same as UT

>>712941872
damn this shit is gayer than yahomo...

>>712941762
Chapter Challenge in RE allowed you play any character on any chapter. Odd 2B didn't do the same.

>>712915473 (OP)
No Momiji sex scene

>>712942025
Yes. Same as sob farming. Same shit.

Why are NGfags such tryhard losers? lmao

>>712919390
>Like just make Ninja Gaiden so I can be a badass ninja and make Nioh so I can be a badass samurai, is it that difficult to understand?
Obvious things are beyond comprehension for team ninja, this has been true since sigma 1 when they inexplicably didn't include the extras black had. Its like a rule at this point that if they ever do something good they have to fuck up the next iteration somehow.

>>712941872
A seriously deranged person made this video. It's sad that this is what NG community has become.
>They want NG karma players to spam the most brainless
BRO.
THAT IS WHAT NG KARMA PLAYERS DO ALREADY. Karma runs have always been boring like that.

>>712942039
2B is literally just UE5 graphics overlayed on top of sigma 2, and when sigma 2 was made the character swap thing wasn't invented yet

>>712915959
>endorse something even though it isn’t exactly what you want
>get picky after it’s caught on to get exactly what you want
It’s not that hard to figure out

>>712942401
>2B is literally just UE5 graphics overlayed on top of sigma 2
2B has a bunch of noticeable changes from Sigma 2.

>>712942262
Even self-proclaimed NG specialists don't know this series. Name me one sane NG fan. You can't.

>>712921901
AAAAAAAAAA I HATE YOU STUPID 4CHAN NIGGERS SO MUCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>712942541
NG 'fans' have somehow surpassed Square Enix fans in terms of mental illness.

>>712942528
yeah, they changed a bunch of things, but at it's core it's literally UE5 graphics overlay, there was a post on Twitter that showed this, but I don't have it anymore, I only remember that koenji guy was the one who made the tweet

>>712915959
Could do a repeat of devil may cry protest when dmc came out, the day this drops everyone goes & buys NG2B to the point it charts the best sellers to send a message.

>>712941872
What is the difference between this and the heavy attack Kusarigama string?
This is less safe and costs a resource.

>>712942893
To add, that probably wont work since the landscape has changed so much and the devs didn't come out and insult the fans like they did with dmc and itagaki is long gone which sapped a lot of enthusiasm for the series. Still its an idea, one that wont happen but hey.

>>712915473 (OP)
I just picked up the 2 remaster. It's really bloody.

>>712942440
By buying the product you endorsed what they offered. Any post-launch bitching will be ignored because people bought the product after all.

>>712915473 (OP)
Haven't seen much of the game but Yakumo is going to end up looking some modern-day pretty boy K-pop faggot, isn't he?

>>712925445
I mean most NG fans look like pic rel. What did you expect?

>>712942528
It's pretty different from Sigma 2, even if it's not as close to the original NG2 as the title suggests. It's more like what Sigma 2 should have been.

I'm just in it for the inevitable 4-2 remix

>>712933596
>the IGN vid
Watched the 9 min video again recently and was reminded how much of a cringey faggot the IGN journalist was, even the script he reads from sounds like it written by a literal chatbot. How no one made a reaction video shitting on him yet for sounding like the biggest reddit soijak is a mystery. The retard even confused essence with ninpo.

>>712931848
At this point the game is pretty much complete. I don't expect much additions.

>>712945075
I look like this

>>712941418
Least rudest autist in this thread

Team NINJA 2000-2008 [*]
https://youtu.be/yfInPRTS_ZM?si=sgUhCTSbEwZVTdMs&t=1930
They gotta enable audio webms.

tokyo ghoul gaiden

>>712923261
All the souls like from Team Ninja still have their DNA. Plus, half the people who made NG1-3 are still working there. I think the only reason this was outsourced is Microsoft demanded that it come out within a timeframe.

the die hard fanboys are having a hard time with people not just fawning mindlessly over this game like they wish people did with the crappy re-releases

>>712945930
Yeah the dude is a moron, couldn't even get controls right, at one point in the video he said countering is now done with RT, it's like they don't proofread shit

Is it true that this game has lock-on now?

>>712947162
Ninja Gaiden has always had a passive 'soft' lock on. I think this new entry will have an indicator for where the character's attention is.

>>712947421
Gamingbrit and Asmon won

>>712947637
Kek

>>712947421
Not him but it looks to be much more intrusive now, for example when the indicator appears around https://youtu.be/LypituWx0hY?feature=shared&t=322 yakumo starts magnetizing toward and around enemies which makes it look like a hard lock-on, but if its automatic and this intrusive than its even worse than a souls style lock-on which at least gave you the option to turn it on or off.

>>712935704
kek

>>712932980
Dude we just got Expedition 33. KCD2 and Split Fiction were also pretty good. Sure most games suck but that’s always been the case.

>>712915473 (OP)
>mgr 2
>good

>>712947993
Why assume Yakumo is being magnetized towards that enemy instead of just running in that direction? That's not even how it works in the souls games.

>>712945185
That's for Ragebound, which even has the original NES composers

Don't care. I'm still buying NG4.

>>712953516
this

>>712915473 (OP)
I’m playing the 360 original version of 2 right now, goddamn, what a fast game

Honestly, what they’ve shown haven’t excited me. But, starved for NG and a preordered

>>712954298
>preordered
Anyone grabbing the ragebound collector's edition?

>>712954286
speaking of NG2, ryu's auto targetting on that game is fucking dogshit and i wish it had NG4's indicator so i could at least understand why he keeps missing bow and IS shots

I can’t wait for them to release a Sigma version of this so I can watch Itagaki nigger backpedal and claim this version of the game is perfect and Sigma 4 RUINED it

Why did Ryu do it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052jbS8SEwc

>>712922036
But /v/ told me that platinum is dead cause Baldy left!

>>712915473 (OP)
>NGfags are journoshitters and possibly woke trannies
Let me guess. You got butthurt over Stellar Blade selling well despite being a "gooner game"
Hopefully your journo boyfriend is paying you good money for making this thread

>>712925695
Gamers are manchildren. More news at 11.

>>712923416
Ones a spin off the other has the number 4

>>712922036
I mean at least it’s maybe a good thing they lost the Bayo 3 director?

>>712924583
Its NG3RE 2.0
>>712946385
NGB is way more fighting game then NG2 lol, if anything 2 made the game feel more like an action game

>>712957349
Vigoorians are subhuman

>>712918490
>>712921036
>>712931090
Yes we do know, Yakumo has more playtime than Ryu.

>“There will be more of Yakumo. However, Ryu is not pinpointed, and there is a volume that allows you to fully experience his character and strength. Ryu continues the feel of ‘2’ as a base. And can fight using a variety of techniques such as Izuna Otoshi and Hien.
On the other hand, in the Yakumo chapters, you will develop new ways of fighting as you progress through the game. Creating a flow that allows you to gradually understand the system.”

>https://www.4gamer.net/games/875/G087562/20250127029/
Google translate it.

>>712915473 (OP)
Why are NGfags plugging in some literal who manwhore's video? Who the fuck is this journo jackass? Is IGN paying NGfags big money for this?

>>712958205
>Ryu continues the feel of ‘2’ as a base
based
3rannies on suicide watch

>Yasuda:
> In recent years, we have been shifting to historical action RPGs, so I feel that the feel of "NINJA GAIDEN 4," which allows us to focus purely on the action itself, the catharsis of the action, and the exaggeration have reached a level that we could not have achieved on our own. I felt that very much when we were test playing.
> And what's encouraging is that Nakao-san really loves "NINJA GAIDEN 2." I think we were able to communicate telepathically about the sensory aspects that are difficult to put into words.

>Nakao:
> This is not lip service, but when I joined PlatinumGames, I said, "The game I love most in my life is NINJA GAIDEN 2." That's how much I love it (laughs).


yeah, I'm thinking KINO

>>712958472
>some literal who manwhore
who the fuck says shit like this? are you some kinda tranny or something?

>rocket hammer
>powered drill stick

not ninja gaiden weapons, they should have any kind of engine in them its not fucking devil may cry. these people are retarded. i dont see anyway that they are going to make their sales if this is full priced--- doesnt appeal to the core ninja gaiden audience with its new mandatory stupid character.

>>712957760
Bayo 3 is a good game though?

>>712959736
I actually don’t hate it like a lot of other people but it’s clearly a lot worse than what Plat was making during their peak

Should I play Ninja Gaiden Black on Xemu?

>>712960479
Sure, just be aware that cutscenes don’t work if you’re a Linux user

>>712960479
i havent used xemu for anything, but i can say with the upscaling it gets on the xbox one x or whatever the fuck its called, the NGB looks fucking good and plays really well too. if you can get it cheap thats a good option also.

idk if it only works with the downloaded digital copy for if it would work like that if you put the original disc in the console. im just talking about downloading it whatever version they have in the marketplace.

>>712960619
I'm a windows pleb so there shouldn't be any problems, right?
>>712960657
Thanks anon! I didn't know that.

>>712915817
It's basically their devil may cry 4.

>>712960817
yeah it looks really good. my original xbox stopped reading discs a while back and idk if i will be able to repair it or not. i would prefer to play it on my original xbox but the resolution upscaling on the series x is cool because i can better appreciate some areas of the game.

if xemu has anything like no clip/ flight/ camera control/ i would be interested in trying that to see what little hidden details are around the map that you wouldnt be able to see normally.

anyway it plays good on series x it feels the same/authentic. you can but NGB individually it should be like 5.00 maybe 9.99.

>>712959604
It's a new ninja gaiden game after 13 years. There will be interest after years of people clamoring for one. Put the doomer glasses down. Also there isn't a new DMC in the works currently.

>>712961241
doesnt matter if there is "interest" if people dont think they will get an experience that justifies 70 dollars or whatever it is. There are probably people who will see this on a store shelf (assuming they make a disc) see that its advertised in a way where you play as this new character, and instead of buying it they will research the game first and decide they will buy it later on sale or not at all. DMC fans arent going to buy NG4 just because there is no new DMC. Ppl play DMC because its DMC and they play NG because its NG.

If NG4 doesn't have fights like this then what's the point

Soulslikes are getting too hard guys...It wasn't always like this. When will the difficulty creep end? What is the endgame?

Hope they fix their dogshit camera. I hate all platinum games for this very reason. Why not just have a fixed camera in your chaotic action game?

>>712963598
This boss fight is peak. Only NG 2 had the courage to take an absolutely ass boss like armadillo and then make you fight 2 of them.

>>712964824
If they really had balls they would've made you fight two Gigadeaths

>>712963598
I've heard about these fights. How do you stop them from killing you with their nukes. Just block?

>>712965270
Yeah

>>712963598
>>712965147
Genuine question.
Were these games made using flipped assets from cancelled KT projects like how Demon’s Souls used Vanguard from Enchanted Arms?

>>712964751
just play keyboard and mouse, never had issues in bayo

>>712959604
>>712961550
Yeah it's definately gonna flop because it has all sorts of crazy cool new weapons. The fans will see that and go "URGH, I only want to complain about DMC on the internet!' and they wont buy it.

>>712965691
all made for ninja gaiden, nothing suggests otherwise

>>712959015
Sure but what parts of NG2 does he like? You need to know what's good or not to redeem that game.

>>712946904
There is a lot of corruption of the original concept in this "NG1-3" package of yours. You're endorsing his point that Team Ninja is incapable of making Ninja Gaiden themselves if the same people who made Ninja Gaiden Black also made Ninja Gaiden 3.
If anything Nioh is them finally learning to make a decent game again.

Is 3RE the hardest NG game?

>>712968591
The optional challenges are, the actual campaign not really.

>>712963598
>Here's that fantastic NG2 boss fight I was telling you about, how dare they take it away from sigma 2!!!!

>>712968591
Yes, objectively
>b-b-but le scythe 360
NG1 and NG2 can be cheesed in similar ways.

3RE has actual good bosses too, generally

>>712922036
>The path is clear for us to rule.
Nigga you're an unemployed potato. You're not on the team.

>>712970559
Yes how dare they

>>712968591
It's the hardest Normal mode for sure, enemies having better defensive options, and not being able to mindlessly launch/izuna is great, but takes some getting used to.
But if you use all the tools the game provides you with, it's a surprisingly fair and reasonable game, outside of the crystal skull challenges.
I'd say NGII(360) on MN is harder, but NGS2/NGB2, NGB/NGS are definately easier. What helps mitigate the difficulty of 3RE is the checkpoints after almost every encounter.

I'm currently working on beating 3RE on UN without buying the health upgrades and outside 2 encounters it's been very doable.

>>712970643
Best bosses in the series. They did need some time to grow on me, but now I even love the helicopter fight.

>>712928670
Not me. I want something like NG1/B again but with the faster pace combat of NGII (Xbox 360 version) but maybe a bit toned down on the difficulty and shuriken spam. Maybe they should rework the OT executions a bit as well since as it is its way too easy to hack away getting tons of iframes. Would also prefer the UTs to be more toned down again as well closer to what they were in the first game.

Point here is I want another game as amazing as the first again but with some qol improvements from the later games. I don't think gaming companies really have the skill to pull off games like that anymore. Anons have even been pointing this out in regards to FromSoftware and how they can't seem to make another interconnected world again like the first Dark Souls.

>>712966029
not like there isnt already countless examples of franchises failing today because the modern iterations dont feel like faithful continuations of the original stories/universes. people will buy it but i doubt they are going to hit whatever projected "goals" they are promising their shareholders.

>>712945185
It's such an iconic track that it'll be in both games

>>712974610
Meant for >>712953484

>>712974381
>Not me. I want something like NG1/B again but with the faster pace combat of NGII (Xbox 360 version) but maybe a bit toned down on the difficulty and shuriken spam

NG3 really should have just been them refining it to be a compromise of what worked best in both games and finding a good compromise between them. making NGB play a bit close to NG2 and making NG2 play closer to NGB. Really should have been simple. Yes I agree toning down both OT and UT would have benefited the game. delimbs should have been like 25% as common as NG2. Also maybe a meter that refills before you can do another UT forcing you to space them apart. Nothing ultimate about a UT if you can do 10 of them in a row.

>>712974684
Also want to mention that even on harder difficulties in NGB, i try to beat chapters without any ninpo, and minimal if any UT. Because if I can only beat the chapter using these and not large moveset that the game give me, i feel like i cheesed through and didnt beat it through skill. I got half way through VH in NGB before my disc stopped reading. Will have to replay again soon. Im hoping to beat NGB on MH one day but I will need to progress through hard again and VH before I can take a crack at it.

>>712974684
Nah a meter for UTs doesn't work. It changes the combat up too much. As it was in NGB wasn't too bad actually. People argue you could spam it but its not like these people are posting their gameplay to prove it. Even then its only going to be the top tier players able to easily bounce around pulling off UTs. The game was balanced around this mechanic anyways. Plus with the heightened aggression and enemy count from the later games it would be perfectly balanced with less spectacular UTs from NG1 that also take longer to actually be released. With the armlets making a comeback you can also have had a NG game that makes good use of those and maybe this time allows for you to put one for each of your arms since you know, it makes sense.

But yeah I am not entirely sure how you balance the delimb and execution mechanic to be better. You don't want it so difficult that it feels they are damage sponges so the combat is more annoying but at the same time it was way too much in these games. I loved NGII but when I went back to play it last year it occurred to me just how much it relies on its flashiness and gimmicks. It was also clearly a rushed unfinished game. But now that you mention meter, maybe this would be better suited for the delimbs. The better you do in combat the higher the meter and the more likely Ryu can delimb? If the meter is low then the delimb rate is lessened. Sort of like a performance meter similar to God Hand and DMC but instead Ryu gets more efficient at limb slicing and executions.

>>712974890
Same anon that replied to you again. I just really enjoyed NGB so much playing it again. Its honestly one of my top favorite games of all time now. It already was one of my top favorites but playing it again moved it up and solidified it for me. Its such an amazing game despite its at times BS difficulty and quirks. NGII is also one of the GOAT action games in the genre for sure. There just really isn't any games out there with combat systems like these two games. This is why so many praised NG2 black because despite it being an inferior remake you just don't get games with combat systems like this anymore. Not even back then you did.

>>712975042
i dont mean a meter like, you need to absorb X amount i simply mean time based like ryu needs to fucking get the energy back to physically do it again. I dont feel like its a bad idea because it could simply be a 3 second timer, a 5 second timer, or even 10 seconds. Just think literally anything from preventing and infinite loop would be a good idea. Its the same problem as the OT spam where when you just repeat the same animation over and over, it takes away from the spectacle of the game.

Maybe they could make it so you need 3 essence or something to pull it off. I feel like there could be a way to just tweak it enough that it would work. NGB is just a better game as far as im concerned because even on harder modes you can progress without using them much at all.

My idea for delimb balance is if you make it so the delimb chance was 25% of ng2 it would happen less frequently but enough that it still happens once every fight or so. That way you do not see the same animation replay so frequently. And when enemies clip through you and your I-frames it isnt such a crutch to get through large waves of enemies. Also triple the amount of OT animations so the combat is more fluid looking. Yes NG2 was shipped unfinished it had good ideas and concepts and is a fun game but if they had another few months who knows i may be saying it is a better game than NGB. That is me trying to be fair.

If NG2 had less enemies but they were individually more dangerous i think it would have worked with a diminished delimb rng rate. Also make the OT animations a bit faster so ryu doesnt look as silly standing there lining up his attack while a sword goes through his head with 0 damage. (also add chip damage to this not enough to stop him but it still punishes you to a small degree) any of these ideas would have worked. together to whatever balancing degree i think it would have majorly benefited the final gameplay.

>>712975284
NGB is a really hard game and has its own bullshit moments but what always kept me coming back and trying to play it on increasingly difficult modes, was the general feeling that whatever killed me was something that I should have reacted too sooner/ not put myself in that position to begin with. so overwhelmingly it felt like it was always a fair game.

NG2 i think was worse about this- i dont have a super strong opinion on it because i did not play NG2 as much as NGB, but i felt like a lot more of my deaths in NG2 stemmed from too much stuff happening that felt unfair in some way or luck based. NG2 went out of its way to really improve on the weapons and its frustrating to me that i dont feel its as fun of a game to play, because I wish a lot of the NG2 weapons were available in NGB and they arent. And most if not all of the NG2 weapons seem like things that feasibly could have been in NGB and made it even better.

>>712975428
>NGB is just a better game as far as im concerned because even on harder modes you can progress without using them much at all
that's not entirely true
the core game loop you have to learn in master ninja is literally leaving behind essence from your last encounter to chain UT to the next one
UT spam is integral in NGB for the average player

>>712975809
I have not played NGBs story on Master Ninja so i will need to take what you say as truth. you may be right. Im very hard mod i was able to get halfway through the game without abusing UT before my xbox stopped reading discs, and i imagine i could have beaten the entire game without it at that rate. Master ninja I beat a lot of missions in mission mode without using UT but that was also against mainly humanoid enemies that let me utilize my mobility for hit and run tactics. I wouldnt be able to say if i could beat MN without UT spam or not. however i would also say since like 5% of players, maybe more like 1% of players will ever play on master ninja mode, it may not be the metric to judge the gameplay by, since you cant judge almost any game on its hardest difficulty mode. Especially if its a game that had 4 or 5 difficulties and it isnt just 2 or 3.

I will say however that i am confident that if someone got through master ninja in NGB without UT spam- it would be significantly easier than i would be in NG2.

I think it looks good, but it looks more like a Platinum game inspired by Ninja Gaiden than a Ninja Gaiden game.

>>712915473 (OP)
>excitedly opens the gameplay video
>sees parrying
>closes tab

>>712935947
I game turns out to be "le hardcore, enemies are out there to kill you, git gud xd" /v/ will like it and hate it if it won't.

>>712976076
>however i would also say since like 5% of players, maybe more like 1% of players will ever play on master ninja mode, it may not be the metric to judge the gameplay by, since you cant judge almost any game on its hardest difficulty mode.
that's just plain wrong, master ninja difficulty is the only difficulty that matters when discussing the balance in these games
>I will say however that i am confident that if someone got through master ninja in NGB without UT spam- it would be significantly easier than i would be in NG2.
On the contrary, it would just be OT spam instead

>>712935947
I'm /v/, I hate NG4, just like I hate every other video game.

>>712975809
>UT spam is integral in NGB for the average player
NTA but I have beaten Master Ninja and I can absolutely assure you that no it is not that integral. It definitely helps a huge amount sure. But you can get through the game without having to abuse it as much as you think you have to. Really the only times you might want to rely heavily on it is for some of the endurance fights which give you rewards since those take so much time and are annoying anyways. Game could have halved the count on all of those fights and benefited greatly for it.

>>712976304
You and i can just agree to disagree then, because i dont think that the master ninja mode in any ninja gaiden game is properly balanced and calibrated to the degree that normal or hard mode is. (or very hard) my argument for that is the gameplay design is obviously designed around the way that the game plays around normal and hard difficulty. easy, and master ninja are just extra bonus modes which are outliers. The game is not designed around these. Its bent to accustom these modes. The gameplay combat loop does not scale properly in master ninja IMO. A large amount of your moveset isnt worth using at that level. Especially in something like NG2 where the underlying problems that are managable in hard mode become comical and absurd on the higher levels which are what necessitate spamming the same Iframe attacks to progress through waves of enemies. If the intended way to beat ninja gaiden was to chain UT into UT into UT into UT or OT into OT into OT into OT they would have added more animations to hide the fact that the same thing is happening over and over. And your movelist per weapon would also be like a third of what they give you.

>>712976542
>And your movelist per weapon would also be like a third of what they give you.
Seemed like NG1/B was like this to me and I consider it the better game. I have no problem with this desu. Y would go back to being the stronger attack that also can be held for UTs rather than just another X button for combos like it became.

>>712976401
i've beaten master ninja multiple times and i can assure you no one on this website can get pass sequences like the yellow room in chapter 1 or any fight with multiple basts fiends and red ninja without using UTs
>>712976542
people who care enough about balance and game mechanics in a single player game like this are all freaks who play on master ninja because that's where little differences in values become more apparent and have bigger effect
if you're just playing normal or hard, none of these talks about balance really matters

>>712976542
>>712976701
And also this would ironically compliment the execution system introduced in NGII a lot more. You have less combos to do so it might make players want to rely more on the OTs. Not just for the flashy looking cool kills but also because it probably would make a lot more sense to actually rely on them more if you didn't have a million other combos at your disposal anymore.

>>712976781
>or any fight with multiple basts fiends
The Izuna drop or the air combo works quite well on them to. Not to mention you also have other options like the Lunar spin attack (not the UT). This game gives you options. You don't always have to rely on the UT. It might not always be the most optimal but it is there. You need your timing down for the UTs anyways and desu MN mode is a huge powergap increase from even very hard. I don't think I relied on UTs anywhere near as much as you are claiming you have to but then again I didn't record my last run so idk hard to tell how much you are claiming its needed.

Also that yellow room is that tiny room that locks and you get jumped by the ninjas right? Yeah that room is quite crazy. You can also cheese it doing the wall run + jump + attack. Similar to what you could do to Murai on normal. Now for the fiend challenges which is the NGB version of test of valor yeah I would say you probably will want to definitely spam UTs in many of these fights when you can since one mistake 30+ minutes to an hour in means your death and doing that crap all over again which sucks.

>>712915473 (OP)
Autists still can't get over Itagaki leaving the company and expect the game to be the same as the NG games he made.
Itagakifags are also infamous for thinking any other approach for an action game is awful rather than judging other games by their own merits. No sane person should waste a second of time catering to these fags since they would still torn your game to shreds even if you tried to cater to them the second you don't do exactly what they want.

>>712977228
i know there are options but i think it's a ridiculous claim that UT spam is a problem that NG2 started when a core mechanic for NGB is essence chaining that doesn't even exist on NG2

>>712976701
off the top of my head its hard for me to remember how different the NGB and ng2 movelists are, but my impression is they were roughly the same length for most weapons but the combos in ng2 were more overly complicated or flashy and a little too fast like the weapons moved 25% faster or something and didnt feel like the same weight was behind the attacks. cant remember. i liked NGBs movelist because while the move lists were long compared to most games most of he moves were viable until you got into very hard mode. but the moves that were still viable in VH were still enough that you didnt feel like you only used the same 3 attacks. felt like in VH with the dragon sword there was like 10 different things i could do reliably which is the entire moveset of a character in other action games.

>>712976825
i think that the large move list is a large part of the appeal of ninja gaiden and adds to the replayability of it. there is something respectable in my eyes that a simple weapon in NG has the entire character move list of a character in another game. so by changing the weapon its almost like a NG+ where you can beat the entire thing with a new weapon and it feels like a new character. the OT system as ive said before, if it was too radical of a suggestion to lower the delimb rate, i think by adding more OT finisher animations the game would have benefited. if they intended for you to OT spam it seems like a weird oversight for them to make you see the same 1 or 2 so much in any one chapter. if the dragonsword had 10 OT animations the lasting impression people have of the OT would probably be better than it is right now all things being equal. i cant imagine that suggestion bothering anyone as long as the animations were all of a similar animation length.

>>712978873
>see the same 1 or 2 so much in any one chapter. if the dragonsword had 10 OT animations the lasting impression people have of the OT would probably be better than it is right now all things being equal.
the OT system have a lot of animations that depend on which body part is dismembered and what type of enemy it is, you're only going to see the same OT animation if you span the same move to delimb an enemy
https://youtu.be/7JHvyWA3WJA?t=2m12s

>>712979106
im going to watch more of this but the first minute of this video highlights one of the main mistakes ninja gaiden 2 made. by making all of the attack combos (UT or otherwise) so fast and overly complicated) they all just look like the same thing. and any difference between them are hard to see. it just looks like sonic the hedgehog movement. sometimes less is more and slower attacks with more weight behind them are more memorable and you can appreciate whats happening more. This is like if someone was a dragonball z fan and wanted ryu to have a "super mode".

>>712979316
i don't know man, i think most of your complaints are just a (you) issue
i agree that NG2 is a fucked up game and NGB is clearly the superior game but some of the things you say are just plain wrong or misinformed
i suggest you spend more time playing both NGB and NG2 before you talk about them

>>712976781
I beat the yellow room on MN without UTs on my first try just now, simply because the divine cicada slash(Y during flying bird flip) is absolutely fucking busted. If you want to make NG1 challenging, you'll need to refrain from relying on both UT and divine cicada slash, otherwise regular enemy encounters will still be incredibly easy.

Chaining UTs in the yellow room is arguably harder than divine cicada, because the red ninjas can actually catch you while you're attempting to OLUT.

>>712977228
You can still abuse divine cicada slash on Murai on MN, you just have to time it so that it lands during his attacks/roll forward.

>>712979457
its just my opinion- if i slow the videospeed down to 0.85 speed some of the combos are more entertaining to watch because i can understand whats happening. i dont think that slowling these down a bit and shortening their length by a few hits would have made the game worse i think it would have made the combos look like they were doing more damage because you could clearly make out the hits.

>>712979490
you can't really get hit on an OLUT setup if you start it with a wind path
honestly, this entire chain of argument started because some guy said NGB is superior because it's not UT spam like NG2 which is just retarded
if you're all going to argue that you can beat NGB withou UT spam then the same can be said with NG2
you're all ignoring the fact that the karma and essence economy system in NGB are also designed for UT spam, some of those time limits are impossible without it and the game literally rewards you extra points to spam UT

>>712979892
>some guy said NGB is superior because it's not UT spam like NG2 which is just retarded
because its an argument with levels and degrees to it. You can get through NGB on VH mode without using UT at all. NG2 with the higher enemy count on the hardest difficulties its much harder to do this AND they also give you OT as an additional crutch to balance out the new gameplay meta. The point is that in NGB you can get much further just using the basic weapon combos without feeling like you are kneecapping yourself. which is a good thing because the point of NGB is they gave every weapon an extensive moveset so you used the fucking attacks.

>karma

highscore shit is just the speed runner mentality there is nothing inherently fun about playing for high "SCORE" because logically to get the highest score you need to disregard 95% of the toolset the game hands you so this is always a fools errand to bring up unless its against other people SCOOOORRRRING online. Its neat to have but it isnt the point of the game. If you play well you get a high score regardless and still get master ninja.

>>712979557
Yeah, I get what you’re saying. NG2’s combo animations do get flashy to the point of visual blur, especially with all the blood, flying limbs, and particle effects flying everywhere. Half the time it looks like the dude’s just spinning wildly with blades attached. NGB felt a bit more deliberate—you could actually track what Ryu was doing, and the hit pauses gave it weight. Not saying NG2’s speed is automatically bad, but it does lose some of that crunchy impact when every string is a Beyblade tornado. Slowing it down a tick or tightening animations might’ve helped the readability for sure.

>>712980171
>You can get through NGB on VH mode without using UT at all.
no one cares about VH, i've told you already, go beat MN first before you talk about this shit
>Its neat to have but it isnt the point of the game.
team ninja literally had competitions for this retard, you even have the option to upload your score
it's an integral design of the game
and it's not just the karma that increases, as my previous post indicated essence economy is also affected by UT spam
you are rewarded with more money for spamming UT and with the stupidly high prices for items and upgrades in MN difficulty, it's almost mandatory unless of course you spend hours repeating the same fight over and over to grind essence

>>712980270
im glad that we can find some agreeable middleground here because i think just very minor changes to ng2 would have improved it dramatically. and its why i said earlier that even though i prefer NGB to NG2 in almost every way, i do think that if NG2 didnt get rushed out the door and was properly finished it could have been a totally different situation of me saying ng2 was better. Beyblades is a good way to put it.

If you were to slow down some of the combos in NG2 but remove some of the superfluous hits to the combo strings the animations would have ended up being the same length but it would have made the combat feel more real and less toy like. i dont really care when i see an enemies leg blow up if i dont even understand why it happened. slowing down the speed of the video i could see what you or the other guy said about there being more OT animations than i had previously known. they just all look the same without how fast and similar they look in full motion.

>>712918490
He'll probably get the Dante treatment like in DMC5 and 4, like a third of the game max

>>712918490
You know, if Platinum Games just straight up said that Ryu and Raven are two separate campaigns everyone would be happy. But we all know they don't have the foresight to structure the game like that, and are probably too late in development to change it up.

>>712980397
>no one cares about VH, i've told you already, go beat MN first before you talk about this shit

see this is where you're wrong. No one really cares about Master ninja mode. what percentage of people who play NGB or NG2 get to master ninja mode? like 5%? 2%? and what percentage of people finish it? 1%? the only people who care about master ninja mode are die hard ninja gaiden fans who see it as a personal goal. the average player does not care about it. and the reason i bring this up is that the people who made the game understood this. And they obviously never put the same amount of effort in balancing master ninja mode because there was never a reason to. It doesnt matter if 90% of your toolset isnt viable in MN because almost no one will play it. Its why almost every video of someone beating NG2 on master ninja looks the exact same. Because its such a clusterfuck that in order to beat it you need to abuse the underlying mechanics enough to cheese through everything no matter how skilled you are at the core gameplay. Thats why i said earlier that the gameplay (which is centered around hard and normal) does not scale properly at the master ninja level. and its more of an issue in NG2 than NGB despite them both having their own bullshit you encounter on the highest difficuty mode. Master ninja in NG2 is basically its own game at that point with the way you can play it and win and again that means ignoring the overwhelming majority of the toolset they gave you to use. to me its cool if someone beats it but the mode in itself i think is incredibly lame with how it was executed.

>>712965560
Not being able to run on the water in other versions of the game is criminal

Does this game have new game plus?

>>712980863
why are you talking about balance then? none of this talk matters, you can beat VH in NGB and NG2 without ever touching UTs if you want, you can even only use just DS all the way through and it wouldn't matter
comparing balance in this game only matters on the difficulty where issues show up more obviously, none of your complaints about NG2 matter on VH
you're excusing NGB UT spam by hiding in VH difficulty but you try to focus on NG2's MN difficulty
you can shit on NG2 but your reasons to shit on it are retarded, just play the games instead of probably parrotting some youtuber takes you've heard

>>712981215
earlier i said there are degrees to my argument. the way that ng2 is balanced, it is balanced around the use of UT more heavily than NGB. because they throw more enemies at you. And they also throw more enemies at you because of you also having access to the OT abilities as well. the waves of enemies are also worse in practice than they are on paper because of offscreen projectile spam in NG2 which is worse than NGB. Im sure you can get through VH on NG2 without abusing UT constantly or using OT but it would be significantly harder and more frustrating because the game relies on you using those to progress. If there was no UT or OT there would be significantly less enemies.

Im not excusing NGB for having UT spam what im saying is that its much more reasonable for a skilled player to progress all the way through normal hard and even very hard without having to rely on using UT. Where as to do that on NGB2 it would be much more difficult. And its always a good thing where a game doesnt force you to discard the overwhelming majority of your toolset just to advance. Are you really going to tell me that it wouldnt be signifigantly more difficult? You dont think normal mode on NGB with 0 UTs is more enjoyable natural feeling than 0 UT on normal in ng2? and this applies in hard mode. and it applies on very hard as well. and when you get into master ninja from the footage ive seen between the 2 games its apples and oranges. im just saying the difficulty scaling on NGB versus NG2 NGB does not pigeon hole you as much.

>>712981556
>Where as to do that on NGB2 it would be much more difficult.
meant to say where as to do that on ng2

>>712981556
>the footage ive seen between the 2 games
man this board is so fucking hopeless

>>712981674
youre hopeless because you cant make an actual argument. i have played VH on both NGB and NG2 and NG2 has significantly more broken difficulty scaling to the point where it isnt enjoyable to progress through. if everything i have seen of NG2 on master ninja is peoples high level play of it that doesnt make my observation of it wrong. and it shouldnt piss you off so much for me to say that a game with a bunch of difficulty modes may have a broken hardest mode where the game starts to fall apart because it wasnt given the same amount of attention is the lower difficulty modes. especially some rushed title.

>>712981968
ok dude, sure
the guy who can't beat MN difficulty and didn't even know about OT animations just a while ago is telling me how the games actually work because he saw youtube videos
fucking hell man

>>712982070
I said earlier i was half way through VH in NGB before my xbox stopped reading discs. it isnt like im not decent at the game. And i beat alot of the missions on master ninja difficulty. eventually i will have to reunlock VH and play through that again to do MN on NGB. But I only want to do that because MN in that game is not such a clusterfuck of abusing I frames. its the only reason i even care to try. And even that game has questionable balancing on master ninja. but it isnt to the degree that NG2 has. Makes sense because NGB was an extra polished NG04.

NG2 you cannot tell me is comparable in anyway with what its master ninja mode requires to progress through and that is why all high level play of NG2 looks the same. because its gameplay loop and its enemy encounter structure is designed around the constant use of OT spam in ADDITION to the use of UT because of the WAVES of enemies. why is it so hard for you to just say yeah that makes sense? That the underlying level structure of NG2 more heavily pushes you to rely on Iframe attacks?

>>712982356
>gameplay loop and its enemy encounter structure is designed around the constant use of OT spam in ADDITION to the use of UT because of the WAVES of enemies
this is like someone playing NGB spamming debi ET/UT and complaining that it's not balanced right

>>712982610
I never said that there was something STOPPING someone in NGB from going out of their way to abuse using UT over and over. That problem is inherent to UT in itself. My argument was that the way that NGB and NG2 are balanced, a player of equal ability can enjoy themselves more and get much further in NGB using 0 UT than someone of equal ability trying to get through NG2 not using UT. You can tweak the argument to be someone not overly crutching on it if you like and even using it sparingly if that is more realistic. And that difference just comes down to how the games were balanced. That difference becomes even more apparent on higher difficulty modes. I dont feel like im saying something outlandish because everyone agrees that NG2 throws larger waves of enemies at you that are also shooting shit at you off screen at the same time.

Its my personal opinion that if you can get through a ninja gaiden game just taking advantage of the extensive moveset that each weapon provides you, over repeatedly using the same Iframe attacks over and over, its better balanced/polished. i dont think thats a crazy statement.

>>712983104
i'm going to be honest with you, i stopped giving a shit about whatever you say when you admitted you were just going off of what you saw on youtube
since you like watching so much more than playing, feast your eyes on this brother
https://youtu.be/QLJ5vXH5yb4

>>712980613
I hope its more like Dante where he gets a loads of weapons and new mechanics.

>>712984474
>he gets a loads of weapons and new mechanics
Anon...

>>712980863
>And they obviously never put the same amount of effort in balancing master ninja mode
False. You clearly never played NGB MN.

>No Ayane
>Just some edgy fuck boy

>>712983317
ive got to hand it to you that was cool footage i had fun watching that. it isnt that i enjoy "watching" more than playing i just didnt find the gameplay in NG2 as enjoyable as ngb so would never have worked up to MN in MG2 like i have been in NGB.

that was a lot cooler than most of the stuff ive seen people do in MN on NG2. but i still stand by the general gist of what i said before on the gameplay balance between the 2 being different. just maybe not to the extent that i previously thought before.

>>712984794
What specifically is it that I said that makes you think i have no idea about MN in NGB? I was truthful that i havent played the story mode on NGB in MN. But I was almost there being half way through VH before my xbox stopped reading discs. despite that i have gotten through a lot of the mission mode challenge on MN and many of those you could argue are harder at times than the stock level set up in MN in NGB story mode. so it isnt like im not familiar with the gameplay at that level.

I've decided to boot up Ninja Gaiden for xbox and I wonder when does it stop being awkward to play.
>guard button is also a roll button, but guard is omnidirectional at least
>bow autoaims normally, but instantly enters first person mode on motherfucking LEFT stick movement
>mooks go for unreactable grabs simply because you blocked 1 (one) string and didn't go for instant counterattack because you're also being shot at from range
>have to spam r2 to recenter camera constantly, because it's at shit angles most of the time
>X, direction + X, X but you took two steps are all different attacks because input overlapping awkwardly is good idea
>zero fucking idea what causes Ryu to go for kick combos and regular three slash ones even if I mash shit the same

>>712986220
you hold guard to block but while you hold block you can roll since both are defensive movements. so you do this to get into an area where you can attack. thats what makes it click.

just tap b to shoot the arrow. roll and tap b then roll and tap b to shoot while repositioning

when you block an attack you roll away or attack before they do something (do you expect them to just repeat the same thing that didnt work?)

camera trigger button keeps you in control at all times its better than having to use a stick to move it. roll and press trigger and block again.

the kick combos are xx>xx xx>xy i think. thats while stationary but you push the stick. forward x at once is a rolling slash at knee level. moving forward and you have taken a few steps makes x be a different attack which is good

running forward and xx is what people call slish slash where you do 2 attacks.

>>712984689
He can switch weapons this time.

>>712986747
Yakumo you mean, no confirmation about Ryu having more weapons yet.

>>712986220
>when does it stop being awkward to play.
Zoom?
>guard button is also a roll button
Do you have monkey grip always clenching controller?
>bow enters first person mode on motherfucking LEFT stick movement
Learn stick control because that seems to be your issue.
>mooks go for unreactable grabs
No. Ninjas roll beforehand and soldiers grab during your recovery if you mash.
>Ryu to go for kick
It's contextual. That kick happens if it's the killing blow.

>>712986902
there are those really cool ninja that just do a side flip over you and stab you through the back.idk if that have a telegraph or not. i just try to not stay in one place and keep moving.

>>712986859
According to people who went to NG4 closed-door demo at summer game fest, this is directors' reaction to the question of more weapons
>Ninja Gaiden will never have only 1 weapon lmao

>>712987113
We'll see.

Does it have Big Boobs Blonde Bimbo?

>>712987113
>More than 1 weapon
For Yakumo yeah, can't say the same for Ryu. >>712931848

if i dont play ryu its shit

>>712987435
It's not shitposting on forum. They know what the question means.
My speculation is that you can unlock other skins in game. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense for not including NG2 Ryu.

>Only 1 weapon on Ryu
>No playable Momiji, Ayane, Rachel... anyone people actually care about except Ryu
>New guy hogs all the weapons
>New guy walks like he just got fucked in the ass
>New guy is a retarded anime twink with a wing on 1 arm; Nomura retarded design school
>Gameplay looks boring
>Platinum, so QTE fest
Its literally over
Not for sales, mind you; it'll sell well. It'll just attract the same retarded fanbase as other Platinum QTEslop games do. All meaningful discussion will br drowned out by 12 year olds spamming memes

>>712987909
>discussion will browned out
Kek
>12 year olds spamming memes
It won't be another DMC V

>>712987909
Trying too hard. You have to make it believable.

>>712988030
true; DMC5, strangers of paradise and rising were all hyped by people who clearly didn't play them at all (hence people claiming rising is hard or complex when you can 2-3 shot bosses in that game on the hardest mode), but were simply losers who really wanted to feel part of something
But unlike them, no one even cares enough to make memes of this game
its dead before arrival

>>712988131
Literally everything I said, as far as we know, are true. Ryu only has 1 weapon, there are 0 playable female characters (not even a new one no one cares about), new guy does have 5 weapons, he IS a nomura tier design and it IS a platinum QTElsop game.
Which part of this is wrong?

>>712987113
They're really keeping things secret? Perhaps there will be one last trailer to reveal more but this strategy is only causing more harm than good.

>>712988209
>no one even cares enough to make memes of this game
That's a good thing albeit. We don't need even more tourists than we currently have.

>>712986220
start getting used to holding the block button all the time
move around with roll, jumping or wind run, don't walk around enemies like an idiot
this ties in to shit like wind path, flying swallow, guillotine throw, and saving essence for UTs later which are all important for higher difficulties

>>712989036
This.

>>712988209
>Ryu only has 1 weapon
What we know is that Ryu has at least one weapon. It's a subtle but important difference. You complain about Platinums involvement, but in every Platinum action game, characters have multiple weapons. Also >>712987113
>0 playable female characters
Sad for people who liked those levels, but, save for Ayane in NG3RE, I never liked playing as them. If they add them as dlc, I hope they add some unique mechanics for them (like Yakumo seems to have) instead them just being a worse Ryu.
>nomura tier design
I don't mind his design. I like the 2000s edgelord aesthetic. It differentiates him from Ryu enough.
>QTElsop game
Only qte shown in the gameplay was for a collectible.

>>712989540
ryu if anything is closer to 2000s aesthetic being a character from the early 2000s. the new character is more like 2025 edgelord which is why it looks like they threw whatever is popular with weeaboos into a blender right now. its also why it doesnt feel like a genuine team ninja design and like an outsourced character from a gacha game.

>>712915473 (OP)
/v/tards hate everything

>>712989708
what is your favorite videogame franchise from the 2000s that has had a new entry in the last few years?

>>712989673
idk, he reminds me of scene kids from 2000s but edgier

>>712989845
i know it sounds from your perspective like im splitting hairs but people everywhere are asking why he has kpop band hair. his outfit is inspired by techwear and current modern internetgoth trends. people are saying he looks like an e-boy and its partially because of the addition of the pointless tattoos on the hands and arms. other people are saying it looks like a v-tuber. its just an amalgamation of stuff that is trending with young people right now. its corporate character design. i get your point though why you would describe it how you did though.

>>712990004
NTA but yeah design comes off as generic.

>>712990004
You guys are unreasonable. Dying hair has been a thing before kpop even born. Yakumo literally wears the same thing as previous Ryu.

Looks sick. I just hope the enemy aggression will be like RE's on MN.

>>712990310
it isnt the dye, its the hair cut. if ryu had his doa costume with his long hair and you dyed it the same way black/white black/silver (for sake of argument) it wouldnt look like trendy kpop hair. That haircut is more or less what is trendy right now on tiktok which is why people are asking on youtube and reddit and other websites what the new protag
>looks like an eboy
>looks like a kpop member
>looks like a vtuber avatar
if you like the look whatever thats your opinion im just saying what people think its a bad choice for NG. I dont think anyone wanted a new NG protag that is inspired by whats popular with young people on tiktok thats just dumb.

Because this has yet to be topped. I really dislike
>1 transforming weapon

>>712991150
Not that anon but best case scenario Platinum gives the option to select a character but I doubt they will since they seem deadset on putting their OC donut steel front and center at every opportunity.

>>712991150
His haircut is just average shonen protagonist haircut. I just don't mind Yakumo though. Ryu looks better no doubt.

My only two concerns are enemy aggression and being able to switch difficulty mid-mission.

>>712993037
I hope difficulty switching is only on normal/easy like in NG3RE. I don't think we should concern ourselves too much about different enemy compositions per difficulty, though. Literally every Platinum action game switched them up across difficulties.

>>712992569
it may look like a typical manga protag haircut but for the last 10 years or so anime and manga have been modeling their characters to look more and more like whats popular in kpop trends. mainly the haircuts. and e-boy/ tik tok users rip their look from kpop trends and anime since being a weeaboo is mainstream now. all of these things just blend together into a current year look. i think part of it may be anime trying to rebrand itself with more "grounded" character design. im not sure. i think its lame though and i dont think ninja gaiden needed a new protag that is obviously part of that trend. it seems really dishonest. not like they said this is the best character we could come up with for NG4. But rather this is the look we think that is popular with young people right now and might help us sell more copies to new players.

>>712993420
Honestly if Master and Ultimate lock you into a difficulty then I won't care as much.

>>712976781
>i can assure you no one on this website can get pass sequences like the yellow room in chapter 1 or any fight with multiple basts fiends and red ninja without using UTs
Only secondaries can't do this

>>712993905
true, now post gameplay
you can start

>>712994146
why didn't I record my yellow room clear in sigma 1 MN when I did it...

>>712994409
the yellow room is like 5 minutes after starting a new game, nothing's stopping you

If Ryu only has DS I'm not playing. TN is going to have to release Sigma/Black 4 where Ryu's weapons are restored + the whole game is playable as Ryu only. And once that happens I'll pirate it, fuck TN for prostituting this to Platinum, I'm not giving them money to keep running the same grift for 20 years straight

>>712993037
>being able to switch difficulty mid-mission
This is the biggest red flag and shows that Plat doesn't get NG at all and shouldn't have been developing NG4, hell I'd even prefer TN to have developed it themselves at that point even after a decade of solely copying From.

>>712994778
I think I saw him with Falcon Talons in the latest trailer.
>>712994835
Like I said above, if it has Master and Ultimate Ninja difficulty and they lock you into them then I don't care too much but I would still want the option to not be there and for the difficulties to be hand crafted.

>>712994835
TN themselves added that already in 3

my biggest concern is that this game wont have enough ninjas and samurai in it.it may sound boring but usually those are the bread and butter enemies that help elevate whatever shit tier enemies they decided to include in each game.

>>712995098
I slowed that down and he did indeed have something that looked like talons on his hands while channeling ninpo but you can see he's also holding the sword. I really don't get why they're beating around the bush on this when they know how much people hated this in vanilla 3. I get he's not the MC and it's like expecting Ayane and Rachel to have big kits of weapons but Ryu also doesn't deserve that status as a sigma girl.

>>712993905
>>712994409
>secondaries
>sigma
KEK

>>712996501
ch. 1 MN is harder on sigma, but you probably never got past normal in black

>>712997113
not really
shit like azure helm makes sigma twice as easy

>>712997323
it looks gay so I never used DESU

>>712994538
https://litter.catbox.moe/lbfp0jb9kc4qizuk.mp4
this is peak efficiency BTW, did as Hayabusa-ryu intended

Question oldfags, is NG2B good? Its on sale for 35 bucks and I dont have an xbox and no I wont emulate it, I dont like xbox emu's like xenia, they suck. I dont mind modding the game.

T.zoomer

>>712999256
it's good, if you will never ever play the original release
you can install the mod tho, it's pretty decent, it's on nexus

>>712999256
get master collection instead

>>712999256
Depends on how much of a NG2 purist you are. It's more like a halfway point between the original NG2 and Sigma 2. For my tastes it preserves most of the neat things about NG2 while being less grating, so I like that about it.
>zoomer
You're a cocksucker regardless of course.

>>712999256
Its pretty good, its not pure NG2 but its still good. The graphics update didnt ruin the style (it honestly looks pretty solid), my main gripe is the enemy count just like sigma, the game is sorta like an inbetween sigma and 2. The update added a lot more enemies to some stages and ng+. Id say its worth it at that price and the white mod makes it very very close to original 2.

>>712998723
good for you for actually posting your own gameplay
ngl though, that shit looks so fucking gay spamming the same wall attack over and over
here's NGB
https://files.catbox.moe/9l8xkk.webm
i'm gonna make another one later for sigma

>>713000062
NTA but did they already patch and update NG2S? is there a patch note list anywhere? i may end up trying it. i personally didnt like ng2 much but have been thinking of giving it another shot. gave the game to someone a few years back.

>>712999615
>>712999667
>>713000053
>>713000062
Ah gotcha, thanks. Ill pick up the master collection and 2Black, I heard you can play as the doa girls and Kasumi in razors edge which is pretty cool.

>>712984819
It's already been confirmed we will see "some familiar faces" in the game. Whether or not we get to play as her is a different story. They will probably be DLC.

>>712999256
Yeah its good. One of the best action games out there.

You might want to consider the master collection however as you essentially get the same game (with worse graphics) along with Ninja Gaiden 1 sigma and NG3 Razors Edge.

>>713000230
>ngl though, that shit looks so fucking gay spamming the same wall attack over and over
it is what it is
>https://files.catbox.moe/9l8xkk.webm
that's pretty sick

It's not a sourceport of NG2 so it's TRASH

>>713000637
>with worse graphics
2blacked looks worse than sigma 2

>>712999256
It's good. But you'll need the White mod to get the real NG2 out of that version. But for a beginner the vanilla game will be perfectly fine.
It's worth it anyway. /v/ bitches a lot due to what happened with the original game but no matter it's among the very best action games ever made.

>>713000412
gah damn

>>713001016
Another anon mentally mind broke by NG2B.

>>713000412
>>713000637
I hope we get to see Rachel again. It would be great if they reintroduced her with Ryu waking up and her holding his arm between her two big beautiful Rachels

>>712915959
i just buy nioh

>>713001251
another mentally ill chink mind broken by facts and logic

>>713001578
china saved the gaming AGAIN?!

>>712970858
I literally funded the development with my Deluxe Edition pre-order, I AM on the team. Now put fries in the bag.

>>712999256
>is NG2B good?
Yes
>Its on sale
Good
>only option
Go for it. Install size is a bitch. If that's an issue then buy MC for more options.

>>713001778
>bugmen delusions of grandeur
desperate for social credit points, chang?

>>713002325
Yeah NG2B is an extremely woke game. Look at this really woke design baka.

2 Black is bad because it's a broken game

>>713002674
>worse weapon
Who cares?

>>713002435
couldn't even save it from being another flop, better luck next time chang

>>713002872
>steam chart for a game free on game pass

>>713002872
>remaster of a game from 17 years ago should have 10k ccp
so you are just a retarded tourist.

>>713002727
iIt's still broken for other weapons as well

>>712915473 (OP)
I want to get into the 3D ninja gaiden games, I've never played them before but I understand there's been some talk about later versions being shittified with less onscreen enemies, censorship, etc, and I want to play the good versions, not the shittified ones. When you try to look it up, it's all a bunch of redditors doing the reddit thing of making excuses for dipshit company decisions and not being helpful at all. Hurr censorship good hurrr I actually prefer less enemies onscreen hurrrr. Hard to sift through all the shitbags trying really hard to sound "chill" about stuff in a desperate play for like-ability points.

So can you guys help me, what is the best way to play these in 2025 on modern systems? Is the collection good?

>>713003054
>seething chinkoid making up scenarios to cope with the fact the demake flopped
kek, should have gotten more of your bugmen to bot the playercount then retard

>>713002674
you can mod the game to fix these btw

>>713003124
the collection is good for 1 and 3, but you should mod sigma 2

>>713003349
post your favorite game's player count. I will wait

>>712922782
>It's not Ninja Gaiden 3(RE)
Oh darn...

>>713003713
>chink trying to deflect from the fact the demake flopped
your copefucian tactics wont work chang, go eat some gutter oil bat soup

>>713003494
>a straight answer with no bullshit
Sincerely, thank you anon.

>>713003124
>on modern systems
Xbox is modern so those ports exist. Chances you own that is slim to none. Just buy MC.

>some indian is malding about china stealing his job

>>713005326
>admits NG threads consist entirely of chinks and indians
No wonder these threads stink.

>>713003054
Oblivion had way more than that because it’s actually a good game.

>>713006519
It's because their target audience buy horse armors.

>>712999256
2black is a piece of fucking shit, dont listen to those retards kid. Buy an Xbox or don't play the game, sigma isn't real ninja gaiden and 2black isn't real ninja gaiden either all the niggers saying otherwise are posers who suck dick at the game and need to play baby mode demake edition. The master collection is dogshit too and sigma 2 modded is still a piece of shit for faggots. Don't get scammed by these kike niggers. Itagaki would decapitate all these posers on the spot for praising piles of dogshit and fake ass CAG.

>>713007004
2Black is good, post a MAD to prove you are a "real fan" loser.

>>713007004
>Buy an Xbox or don't play the game
True but realistically no one will buy a console to them.

>>713007004
The only correct answer ITT

The better game

>>713008031
this was kino when I played it at 10 years old

>>713007004
I wouldn't even buy the games, do you think i will buy a shitty console the broke on me after a shitty ring of death?

>>713007004
the last word of your post outed you as a giga poser and a normie, sorry

>>713008031
wtf how did fromsoft ai generate this in 2009

>>712999256
>>713003124
ask yourself which one looks more fun to play
https://files.catbox.moe/6qdys9.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/jxe0x7.mp4
hint buy an xbox

>>713000731
here's sigma, i fucked up at the beginning thinking i can get away with an OLUT on time but i guess it was late for a couple of frames
https://files.catbox.moe/ybqmw6.mp4
also uploading on catbox is so slow right now for some reason

>>712924630
>sekiro made developers think no startup parries with THIRTY fucking frames of active frames
This isn't true
It's 12 frames

>>713008363
Now post yourself fighting worms or zombies

>>713009724
They're not ready for that convo

>>713009724
hey at least i can just shoot them with bow UTs or IS if i get lazy
what do you even do in 2 black? mash infinite arrows? lmao

No hot sexualized female characters with coomer outfits no buy

>>713004591
they patched more enemies into this part and the staircase

>>713011592
>goes from a complete jobber in NG1 to overpowered in NG2

Hopefully that was thanks to Ryu's training.

I'm starting to get the hang of stuff, although it seems to be a bit of a gotcha-fest with camera pointing away from enemies that just appeared just so they can score a potshot or two.

>>712999256
You can mod sigma 2 to include all the blood visuals from the original.

>>713012490
honestly don't even bother using the right stick unless you're fighting alma
the original release didn't have a camera control aside from R2, you'll get used to tapping it every time you move in a different direction eventually

>>713013713
not to say that it's a good system, the camera is easily the worst part of the first game but it's that way because it's old

bump

>>713013713
>the original release didn't have a camera control
04 didn't but NGB does. Press R3.

>>713008982
good shit bro
>also uploading on catbox is so slow right now for some reason
true

>>712915473 (OP)
>m*le protagonist in 2025
>not a hypersexualized woman with huge tits and skimpy underwear for ricecels to pinch their micropeens to
It's like they're begging to lose money

>>713008363
But the first one looks significantly more fun to play, he's pushed into doing a lot more to fight the enemies without them dying in two hits and they're more varied in their own approaches and teamwork too.

If you bought Ninja Gaiden 2 Black you deserve to be castrated, imagine playing a trash game that's pozzed, woke and infinitely worse then the original. All NG2B players should post their address so I can call the FBI to send a drone strike, subhuman filth like you don't deserve to breath.

>>713015665
Thing is Ninja Gaiden used to have both and thats what I wanted in 4 but since that doesnt seem to be case I'm keeping my money

>>713016747
Who could this one be?

>>713008363
>intentionally plays like a retard by not finishing strings and refusing to capitalize on enemy states
Disingenuous comparison. Chapter Challenge increases enemy hp across the board to accommodate for maxed out weapons and they still delimbed very fast whenever the hits connected. Sigma reworked a few enemies like is ninjas by tying the delimb chance to their health, which makes sense for the more dangerous types like them and the red werewolves who were no different from the basic ones in OG despite being the pack leaders. HP is literally never a factor in vanilla unless it's an enemy you can't just immediately delimb and OT, which is moronic because red gajas and fiend is ninjas had enough health to tank izuna drops.
And here's how the webm fight plays out in the xbox version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=684&v=qsiOAGd2Kts&feature=youtu.be

Does anyone have that footage of Yakumo using his super sword as a perch? It looks cool

>>713019039
But that's the funniest part about it. You can easily tell he's trying to play badly on purpose and it still looks so much better than the NG2 clip, especially with the few parts of intelligent play that leak out like actively repositioning so that he can GT towards the specific wall for positioning and better damage. Something that is shown to be superfluous in the NG2 clip.

I've always wondered...
If Ninja Gaiden 2 perfected not just its franchise but the entire action genre, they why would you care about new Ninja Gaiden games being made? Why are new games ever being made in the first place?

It's the same question I have about games like Hollow Knight Silksong or post- Third Strike fighting games: why are they even a thing when the original Hollow Knight and Street Fighter 3S exist?

sigma 2 defenders in the big 2025, grim

>>713020242
>If Ninja Gaiden 2 perfected its franchise
It didn't
>perfected the entire action genre
Has good ideas to learn from
>why would you care about new Ninja Gaiden
To recapture the magic

>>713020728
NTA but "recapturing the magic" is impossible because video game development became a lost art and modern videogame developers are unable to make good games (that's why the industry moved towards remakes).
You're expecting something that is literally impossible.

>>713002674
>game has a better camera that doesn’t spasm out everywhere just to look cinematic
>this is somehow bad
Reminder Itagakifag is a literal nigger.

>>713020930
I don't disagree but it's why many want sequels in general.

>>713021053
>muh camera
Itagaki schizo is a faggot but you sound like a bigger faggot.

Reminder that because Platinum is developing it, Ninja Gaiden will finally let you have a taunt button.

>>713020930
you act like remakes are more than 1% of new releases. They make those because they're low risk and sell themselves.

>>713020930
Expedition 33 came out like 2 months ago man

v

>>713013713
>the original release didn't have a camera control aside from R2, you'll get used to tapping it every time you move in a different direction eventually
Well, right stick moves camera alright. But I suppose it's primarily just to look around when nothing is happening, because Ryu stops in his tracks when you touch it. Sure, R2'ing helps, but when enemies are located right behind the corner it's very likely to fix camera and still only see the wall while enemies are getting ready to either plink from distance or rush your butt down. I'm also playing base Ninja Gaiden, judging by how I weren't suggested ninja dog mode yet.

>>713019483

>>713022453
Expedition 33 is a bad game; a textbook example of how modern developers can't make good games.

>"But it sold 3.3 million copies"
People bought that game as a way to protest against the cartel of AAAA developers like Ubisoft, Bioware and Bethesda, not because the game was good.

>>712931848
>>712933596
>>712945969
Hayashi looked at all the potential weapons the devs cooked up for Ryu and told them to cut it out of the base game, only to add later in the inevitable Sigma and Black versions.

>>713022398
>you act like remakes are more than 1% of new releases.
Most new releases are remakes, their lazier brother remasters and their even lazier little sister "collection edition"

>They make those because they're low risk and sell themselves.
And because they know no one can make good games anymore but they're trapped due to their business being a videogame developer, so they do the only thing they can do to stay afloat.

>>713024448
Hayashi isn't even making the games anymore

>>713002674
Did Team Ninja just die after Itagaki left or something? How did they decline so bad after he left?

>>713020242
>If Ninja Gaiden 2 perfected
Who says this? Certainly wasn't me. It didn't perfect anything its definitely a flawed game. A fantastic game but still flawed.

>>712935192
It really is 6-2 and going all the way back if you die to the final boss

bump

>>712915473 (OP)
>I don't get the hate
Ninja Gaiden faggots are all mongoloid retards that are never satisfied by anything. Which is why all that they can do is infight with each over why their preferred version of the games are flawless and why the other versions are unplayable dogshit.

Unironically the winning move for the devs in this case is to say fuck the old "fans" and just make what they want to make because those old retards are going to bitch and moan regardless as they fellate that hack Itagaki to come save them. That would at least get them better reception than trying to pander to perpetually unhappy schizos.

>>713030734
I'm not a Ninja Gaiden fan (my first and sole contact with the franchise is the Steam collection) and I am wary of 4 too.

>>713030734
>Ninja Gaiden faggots are all mongoloid retards that are never satisfied by anything.
Unironically this, I went to the subreddit to find the Sigma 2 Black download a while a go and the people over there are insane.

>>713030734
>Ninja Gaiden faggots are all mongoloid retards that are never satisfied by anything.
Based and true. Hope the new game makes these sub-humans rope.

True fans are going to hateplay NG4 and achieve world records in every made-up category.

>>713033358
>True fans
Name three

>>713020454
Tbh New Game plus is basically cheating even if its the most fun part of the game arguably
>>712968591
NG3RE UN no SOB spam is harder then NG2 MN no UT spam so yes

>>713025060
I want you to look at a list of games released this year and then say most of them are rereleases. Until you do that, you're ignorant and incompetent. You also display a level of narcissism that you should probably acknowledge before it gets worse.