Thread 713038713

modern fire emblem sucks

scrimblo

so does historic fire emblem
the REAL mystery of the fire emblem is why it sucks

>>713038998
Nah, that's a retard opinion. Fire Emblem has always been good, even the 3DS entries. I just wish we went back to a chapter by chapter format again, without the stuff in-between.

The holy trinity of Fire Emblem

>>713039190
I generally like your list, but in no universe will anything Gaiden (or Gaiden inspired) be a top tier entry.

>>713039089
>Fire Emblem has always been good,
Gameplay or what?
Because it sucks.

>>713039269
Nah, just saying a sweeping thing like that to dismiss the series is what retards do. Please tell us the better SRPGs. If it's some tactics ogre clone or fucking shining force I'm going to laugh at you.

>>713039445
Shining force is better than FE

FE was literally never good.

>>713039523
Except you have zero arguments why, and you bring up a series that's just as flawed as some better example. So you're just contrarian.

You are the king of a dead genre and your most popular game was a persona ripoff with tons of chores lmao

>>713039523
>jarpig on a grid
kys

>>713039593
I dunno man, Awakening was pretty popular and wasn't a Persona clone at all. 3H was popular just because it catered to women.

>>713038713 (OP)
someone do a romhack of fe6 where all of the music is covered in fe8 style pls
and also tone down the color palettes of the maps while you're at it

>>713039445
>Please tell us the better SRPGs
Lmao. Just because Fire Emblem is trash doesn't make other games good.

>>713039947
Except yet again, you fail to articulate why it's apparently trash. It sounds like you were filtered because you're bad.

>>713038713 (OP)

God isn't one of your kind.

>>713038713 (OP)
fireeblem has never been good

>>713038713 (OP)
Fire Emblem is like pokemon. The entire series is garbage, but you grew up with one of the entries so you brainwashed yourself into thinking it was the only good one.

Sounds like we have some filtered and broken bucks in this thread lmao. "I-its trash!! I missed and got crit!! it's TOO UNFAIR!!"

Lol. Thracia, Binding Blade and Radiant Dawn turn boys into men.

Man I downloaded a shadow of valentia rom so long ago and have passed it over about 5000 times when thinking about what I want to play

>>713040670
Yeah, it's infact great.

>>713040690
I think whatever you like is probably worse desu

>>713039605
But enough about fe

>>713039190
I've always agreed with this. yes, even the gaiden remake

>>713040860
Fascinating that such a basic structural design filters your tiny little brain.

>>713040018
I've never played it?

>>713040931
Filtered because fe is dogshit yeah.

>>713040738
>game does all the math for you and tells you the outcome of any battle before you do it
>pretty much every game in the series gives you one or more units so overpowered they can solo entire maps by themselves even on the highest difficulties
Its hilarious to see a Fire Emblem fag honestly think their games could filter anyone when they're playing some of the easiest games to ever exist.

>>713041020
So you're retarded then. Good to know.

>>713041053
Lmao, these generalizations just show you just repeat memes and haven't actually played them. I'd love to see you try and beat FE5, 6 or RD with these allegedly busted units on your first few playthroughs. Sorry, but repeating what some metagaming YouTuber whose played the game a trillion times doesn't amount to much.

Your first greentext is also retarded. Those percentage chances don't reflect what's actually going to happen. Plus, there's the rest of the battle going on.

I know what's really up. In the one attempt you did at FE, you probably used save states as well lol.

>>713040690
>OP grew up with fe6
Doubt it

>player of extremely easy game convinces himself its actually really hard and that's why no one likes it
Why does this always happen with Nintendo games?

If you haven’t S-ranked HHM, your opinion is worthless

>>713038713 (OP)
>he says, posting this dogshit game
>>713039190
>he says, not knowing what a trinity is

>>713041460
Because they don't play anything else

>use le balanced army
>lose
>use marcus milady and percy
>le win

>>713038713 (OP)
Nah I love Three Houses and Engage, they're great

>>713041526
You should try being elitist over something actually difficult to accomplish.

>>713041460
>player of extremely easy game convinces himself its actually really hard and that's why no one likes it
>Why does this always happen with Nintendo games?

Most RPGs are easy, clown. People prop up FE5, 6 and 10 because they have wacky mechanics and scenarios which push your brain. We don't think their top tier games just because they're hard as the only metric, retard.

And on your first playthrough, not using fucking tier lists and guides, they are hard. Even the GBA entries, which are middle of the road in difficulty, would auto save every action you make- and you'd have to restart if you fucked up.

Meanwhile you faggots, if you actually play strategy games on PC, probably quick save every fucking moment lmao. Despite this, FE is more of an RPG than a strategy game and there's nothing wrong with that.

>>713041632
Yeah, that is. Of course you're just parroting YouTubers and shit posters though because you obviously didn't do that lol. Especially on OG hardware that autosavea.

>>713041715
FE is not hard. You warp staff and break FE5 on its knees the game expects you to do it. And yes western strategy run circles around fe always have. ALWAYS will.

You have severe mental illness. Please seek help.

>>713038713 (OP)
If you want old Fire Emblems then play Kaga’s games like Tear Ring Saga and Berwick Saga, they have english translations and they have a lot of experimental mechanics and interesting maps. Also play his newest saga, Vestaria Saga 1 and 2. They’re srpg games but somehow he made a really interesting world and set of characters, they had the old artist too. I hope he lives long enough to finish the third game lol. Seriously the maps are amazing in those they’re actual puzzles to solve, not just rout or defend maps like modern fire emblem.

>>713041351
Your*

>>713041918
Nah, I meant "you are".

>>713041715
>FE6 pushes your brain... by having desert maps forcing you to slog and FE10 pushes your brain... by handling you dogshit units and RNG conditions for losing
riveting gameplay truly my brain is putting a LOT of effort putting up with this garbage. Not even putting difficulty in question because these games are easy, but the way you convince yourself that these games have any candle of good game design is embarassing. Modern FE is a lot more consistent in quality in comparison, even with the dogshit Revelation into account.

>>713042224
There! Finally you admit it. You're a faggot crying about RNG. What a fucking clown. Bitch, take your losses and just keep moving forward. What a joke! They're great games, and the kind of nitpicking for the issue you bring up would invalidate any game based on metrics like that.

Great to know you're just bad lol.

>>713039523
I have extreme nostalgia for Shining Force but this is just not true. SF basically doesn't have strategy and it's slow as fuck with no challenge.

>>713042360
If I can't beat it on the first try every time then it's just not worth playing. I don't have the time to just play each map tens of times.

>>713041598
this but for every game in the series
how can it be fixed, bros?

>>713042224
If you chalk up FE5 or 6's difficulty to just "RNG" you're a moron. Their maps are like puzzles. Melody and Percival are there as "get out of jail" free cards if you're a bad player.

>>713042448
LMFAO, then don't reset you idiot. Iron man the game (minus restarting the game if your lord dies), as that's what the designers intended.

Holy shit.

>>713042469
don't give out the jagens until half way through the game like conquest.

>>713042360
>You're a faggot crying about RNG.
When the lose condition is tied into things that are out of your hand, I call that bad game design.
>>713042526
I didnt mention FE5 at all, and the RNG commentary was VERY CLEARLY directed to FE10.
You guys are FE players? with this much inability to read? Fucking embarassments.

>>713042647
Tell us, where do you specify FE10? Moron. Almost none of the entries have lose conditions connected to RNG, minus Battle Before Dawn (in the most overrated entry).

You're clearly bad at these games.

>>713042767
>>and FE10 pushes your brain... by handling you dogshit units and RNG conditions for losing
clinically blind or retarded, your call.

>>713042851
You're bad

I like fire emblem.
Conquest is very good, but I prefer the simplicity of the older games.

>>713042767
the RD relay died twice to a myrmidon 5% crit which the only way to stop it is to hit twice with a hand axe/javelin on an (early) projoted jill who moved directly for that one enemy. if that isn't RNG then i don't know what is. plus the green units in 1-5 are also quite suicidal as well.

>>713042197
Your are*

>>713040880
>>713040880

Another series gone to shit on 3DS. Sad...

FE difficulty is a joke because literally the only true decision making you get (and thus the only true difficulty) comes from elements of an encounter you lack information on (reinforcements, fog of war etc). Except the moment you ever restart or replay that encounter all of that difficulty is now invalidated because you carry that information with you and thus already know the "solution" to the "puzzle".

The only way you could ever possibly brag about beating a fire emblem game is if you beat every single map with the best possible rank on the highest difficulty ONLY on your very first playthrough and ONLY without losing or resetting the game a SINGLE time.

>>713042364
SF doesn't pretend to be about HARDCORE SRPG ACTION

SF focuses on being fun first and foremost. And it did just that.

>>713042917
I beat the game and had no fun whatsoever with it. Its not hard, its maps are for the most part complete dogshit, the story is just a rethread of Path of Radiance under more convoluted circunstances, there's genuinely nothing redeemable about FE10. It is funny seeing anyone even defend this garbage heap.
>story is bad
>characters are bad
>gameplay is bad
>map design is bad
>win/lose conditions are bad
It is simply a dogshit game. Just stick to FE9, nothing about 10 is worth bothering with.

>>713043298
This. RD is dogshit

>>713041715
Turn based RPGs are very easy but even they have the decency to not do all the fucking math for you. There is nothing unique about FE that makes it categorically more difficult than a game like say, Etrian Odyssey, which is a turn based game and therefore cannot be considered particularly difficult anyway.

I'll never understand the 3houses hate. the story was legitimately good, it had so many sexo ass characters and the combat was fun with the squadran mechanics, I just wished the difficulty was a bit higher without moving into lunatic.. Engage had amazing combat and the ring system was fun but everything else was awful. atleast it birthed the sexy chocolate princess

>>713043298
I like the skill system

Pick it up FE shitters for that sweet reforging bonuses.

>>713043931
It falls apart on replayability while Engage gets better with replayability. If you only play games once, I can understand why you'd rate 3H so highly.

>>713044553
I did 3 playthroughs.. well 2 and a half since I don't think edelgards counts as 2 since I just reloaded my save at the split. I only needed the golden deer route and dlc. Engage I stopped playing after the 4 villians with rings fight.

>>713039089
>the stuff in-between
You mean like this?

>>713044676
Compared to drinking tea, teaching, fishing, dueling, forging, supporting, scheduling, rolling, gathering items scattered around, dating, swimming, doing push ups, petting, feeding? Yes, I'm not that anon

>>713044676
This is possibly the best hub world in FE.

>>713044989
>>713045114
I remember spending an hour inbetween chapters in PoR and RD just reading all the convos and managing everything. That's pretty much the same time you spend in 3H and Engage.

what if fire emblem got rid of level ups but you gain power with equips, that way you don't have to train units but still make weak ones useful by equipping them with powerful equips

>>713045179
Most disingenuous post award

>>713045114
so true sis, resetting many times with BEXP is so fun.

>>713045179
So you read all the convos and manage everything? How is it that 2 things can take the same time than reading all the convos + managing everything + all the 20 other things you do. The math doesn't add up here, please help I'm not good at math or fire emblem

>>713045383
Fine, that was an embellishment. 30 minutes.

>>713041598
bring back fatigue

>>713046103
>they bring back fatigue
>S-Drinks are easily purchaseable so it doesn't even matter

Cutesythea!

>>713043538
>brings up Memetrian Odyssey
It's so bizarre to complain about perfect info in FE, when the typical approach is to not even let you know how battle is calculated at all, and it obviously serves a tactical purpose in FE. Meanwhile Etrian Odyssey is a fucking joke in this respect, it's extremely bad even for the "genre." EO players have to use unofficial fan calculators to even know what any of the pindick incremental skill-tree effects do, and half of them are straight up bugged in earlier games, but I guess that kind of obscurantism feels super big brain if you're a damned mouthbreather.

>>713047167
Retard.

>>713045425
you have autism if you savescum bexp
not the game's fault if you do

>>713047209
You EO players are THE biggest pseuds and retards, though. I've played your meme "difficult" games. They're not hard or thoughtful at all, they're just grindy and repetitive in the extreme. No one would play them without the comfy vibes and the music, all they're good for. FE philosophically takes the exact opposite approach being anti-grind and information-transparent with small numbers, which must be the source of seethe.

>>713047412
>anti-grind
Retard.

>>713047443
>the EOfag even grinds in FE
not too surprising

>>713047293
I hope you suffer in chapter 12 fuckface

>>713041547
every time

>FE being anti-grind when 3HRT's exist
lol

>>713047636
>>713047412
not him but it does kind of depend on the game
there was definitely grinding if you wanted to play endgame Awakening stuff but nobody talks about it anymore (maybe because it was paid DLC and also requires grinding)

>>713047636
Awakening brought in a whole portion of fans who like grinding.

>>713047167
>literally say in my post the game is not difficult at all
>make a point about how FE has no mechanics at all that put it a cut above a turn based RPG at all, using EO as an example
>you make up a strawman argument to attack that has nothing to do with anything I said because the mention of EO triggers your autism for some reason
Oof, its not looking good for you, FE fags.

>>713047652
this one?
>>713047725
you don't need to beat 3H but it is true that most people spam fishing and skirmishes for several hours on their first and only playthrough so idk

>>713038713 (OP)
it's pretty bad yeah. If intelligent systems had some writers that weren't braindead I actually think the core mechanics and systems would play okay. The writing is the real weak point of modern FE, the new gameplay is very different and should have probably been used for a different game series but isn't bad in itself, just kind of a betrayal of original FE

>>713047758
By default, considering the campaign only (not DLC), FE starts from an inherently anti-grinding position. Games like Conquest are praised for being aggressively anti-grinding, but in fact grinding opportunities are limited in the majority of FE games.
This is in stark contrast to typical RPG design, where grinding is at the heart of it, and tactics are de-emphasized.
So in short, exceptions to the rule.
>>713047762
The core has remained unchanged nevertheless

>>713047891
Fire Emblem already elevates itself by having map-based gameplay, tactics. Your argument is just contrarianism for the sake of it. JRPGs are an absolute dogwater genre played by idiots. Even the scant minimum of some tactical gameplay will elevate an SRPG over a JRPG.

>>713047725
>grind = boring busy work
3 houses has no grind nigger

>>713038713 (OP)
this is the best cover art for fire emblem by far, composition wise

…except when you spam broken weapons on archers

>>713048263
You are very full of shit better do those auxiliary battles or you will softlock in reunion at dawn or chapter 2 lmfao.

Okay I only played Awakening, shadows of valentia, 3 houses and engage. What fine emblem should I play next? I got access to the gba, ds,3ds and switch. (plus pc emu)

>>713048382
what is this bullshit? I didnt even know there was a softlock possible in 3h. how shit do you have to be?

reclassing and it's consequences have been a diaster for modern fe

>>713048452
play in maddening for starters cunt

>>713048526
>I hate it when I can't use the meta anymore and now I have to think.

>>713048393
Sacred Stones is a quick and fun knockout. Or Fates since it's the only modern one you haven't played.

>>713048393
Trannius duology its perfect for a mitwit like you.

>>713048530
>french
I see...

I found him. The Wade counterpart to my incredibly blessed Lot from last time.

>>713048637
Alright i'll do Sacred stones thanks!
Oh on last thing, for fates what order do you play it? birthright was the easier one right? and conquest more challenging? and the end it with revelations?

>playing birthshit and revelation
That poor son of bitch

>>713048615
I actually didn't do this this time. My Alan got super stat screwed in strength so I dropped him as soon as I got zelot
I also used Gonzales and sophia

if you can't post your FE12 H4 completed save you are not qualified to speak on fire emblem's difficulty

>>713049229
Conquest is nothing but bad romhack tier gimmicks and I'm sick of people pretending otherwise.

>>713049352
what romhacks have you been playing with cq gimmicks

>>713048615
>now I have to think
It's the same shit though, just replace units in that image with the OP overused classes of each modern FE

>>713048452
Reunion at Dawn can actually softlock you yeah, especially likely in Maddening Azure Moon.

FE fans will say this gameplay is fire fr fr

>>713049286
Gonzales is totally respectable
on Hard Mode
on at least one of the routes anyway. I forget what the deal with it is but there's two versions of Gonzales and I recall one being significantly better than the other

>>713049479
Do you want A+ Gonzales or B- Gonzales?

>>713049479
larum route gonzales starts at level 5 with C axes
elffin route gonzales starts at level 11 with D axes with the exact same stats
I think they're both about equally viable

>>713038713 (OP)
thats the neat part
it always sucked
old stuff, new stuff, all the same just different coats of paint on a completely shit series

>>713038713 (OP)
>Destroys Fodland to save it.
>Destroys fe threads to give them traction.
Thanks for nothing CUNT.

Multiplayer Advance Wars is a better strategy game. You're just playing against AI with room temperature IQ, that will never be interesting unless you're temperature IQ too

>>713048615
>class variety in that image: Lord, Paladin, Hero, Falcon Knight, Valkyrie, Swordmaster, Sage, Dancer, Wyvern Lord
>class variety in reclass FEs: the OP flying class for Str users, the OP mage class for Mag users, the class with access to warp, and Dancer

>>713039190
Get FE15 off of here, put Tear Ring Saga and Berwick Saga instead, and now we're fuckin talking

>>713049479
I also didn't realize that chapter 13 perceval doesn't get hm bonuses vs chapter 15 so he went from being OP as shit to just being pretty good but mogged by growth Cavaliers desu

If FE is so easy and solved, why does /vfeg/ keep failing the relays?

>3HRT's shitting the game that gave their combat art spam abortion life
very ironic lmao

>>713050078
they call all the games easy and braindead to deflect from their failures

>>713050129
But I am a Fatesfag.

>>713050273
and I'm a genealogy troon to disingenuous faggot.

FE7 is harder than FE6

I like how Roy is in the game where every map is seize and he refuses to get a horse on promo

>>713049948
You can still challenge yourself by doing ranked runs, LTCs, quirky unit builds, and other types of challenge runs. Idk why people sincerely take up this this midwit stance that is obviously contrary to all logic and intuition. It isn't going to be sweatlord shit necessarily, unless you want it to be, but do you also screech that puzzle games aren't "interesting" because they're "single player"?

Marriage with Marianne!

>>713050528
it was a soft reboot (including the Seize thing if you think about it)
Marth never had a horse

>>713043113
Kid Icarus... No...

>>713048615
Bro really tried to sneak Lilina in there :skull:

>>713050528
and his dad gets a mount when there is exactly 1 seize map left in the game

>>713048615
dieck is garbage and so is lilina

>>713038713 (OP)
You're making me wanna play Binding Blade more than starting a 2nd route in 3 Houses...
man the art and character design in GBA games was phenomenal

Ivy

>>713053095
agreed about lilina but dieck is solid and he gets axes for your dogshit wyvern spam

>>713053095
dieck is pretty good
he's just overshadowed because rutger steals his promotion item
obviously not a staple unit like niime or sin, but he's not much different from thany or clarine
also it's common to use only one of alan or lance

>>713047167
ABSOLUTELY BASED

>>713038713 (OP)
Modern FE is better than GBA FE
Just take avatars and avatarwanking OUT and modern FE is perfect

>>713054038
But that's like the entire premise of modern FE games, specially Fates

>>713043298
Based, fuck FE10

>>713053601
sluuuuut!

>>713054094
Don't care, take it out, it's garbage

>>713039445
Reverse collapse

You're really going to pretend Lilina is bad when she was such a key unit in both the completed relays?

Rank them

>>713054290
Very good game but FE is still better
Reverse Collapse is good for the small skirmishes, small cast battles
FE is for the big maps with multiple objectives and emergent storytelling from the gameplay

Alear

>>713050369
You post like one.

>>713038713 (OP)
You’re just NOW realizing that? Been like that for 13 years pal

>>713039089
>I just wish we went back to a chapter by chapter format again

Death to Avatars

>>713039593
>Persona ripoff

The fans will continue to glorify that game just for breaking sales records just like they do the first 3DS game for saving their franchise from dying a hero

>>713054760
Troon character

>>713048706
Of course the low IQ ESL hates Telliuskino

>>713054871
>Death to Avatars
BASED

>>713054343
She was only used in the first one because she was grinded to hell and back and she didn't do shit in the second one

>>713054760
Based character

>>713049015
Yeah play Fates in that order

>>713047762
*Sacred Stones

>>713051406
Except every incarnation of Marth had 7 mov

>>713047412
>Grinding in EO
Skill issue.

>>713053950
There is no point in using both of them because the second crest comes when Percival joins.

>>713042224
>FE6 pushes your brain... by having desert maps
It's got 1 (one) desert map retard

>>713049959
>Can't spam wyverns in FE11/12 because there's a hard cap and speed caps become a serious issue later on
>Fliers are not good in Awakening because that game has a fetish for anti flier weaponry
>Making a team of fliers in Conquest requires concentrated effort that's not worth it
>Pure fliers in 3H is asinine for a multitude of reasons that will essentially be summed up as diminishing returns
>A lot of wyverns and griffins in Engage are mediocre as fuck and it becomes obvious the moment you get past Ch17 when enemy quality spikes

>>713056128
You're literally forced to with all the constant backtracking and retreading. It's baked into the game design.

>>713047443
Awakening isn't a real FE game

>>713054349
ENTER

>>713056574
Anon, do you seriously know what players mean when they use the term "grinding"? Hell, you have no real reason to do constant "backtracking" and "retreading" in the later entries because there's shortcuts and floor jump out the ass.

>>713055056
Go worship your dike x trooren trannius faggot.

>>713056781
I'm making the argument that EO is a grindy, repetitive series. And well, it is. The games are designed around the notion of gradually carving your way into the dungeon, threading out as resources deplete, and repeating a given section of the labyrinth often tens of times. Along the way you fight the same trash mobs over and over and get overleveled enough to handle the next floor, boss, whatever. It doesn't "seem" like grinding, but effectively it's legitimized, core-gameplay grinding. Shortcuts are a part of this game loop.

>>713054349
fe7's is slightly more involved to warpskip so that one I guess
once you realize you can skip reinforcement zones in Murdock's chapter it kinda falls apart

>>713056926
Good morning saar to you too you projecting eunuch

>>713057152
Sis is so mad his shitty favorite game is woke propaganda lmfao.

>>713055056
Tellius is terrible.

No (You) for you to redeem saar

>Warpskip fag
I think you really hate your games so much that you want to speedrun because it becomes a slog on late game lol.

>>713057045
What kind of shitass team you've created that you have to repeat the same section of a labyrinth that many times or grind to the point of being overlevelled for a given section? I'm not going to deny that dungeon crawlers are an inherently repetitive genre, but a lot of that post just unironically sounds like a skill issue.

Cry harder trannius fag :^)

if Kaga didn't want me to skip his game he wouldn't have added poison swamps

>>713057297
wrong

>>713057226
it's woke propaganda, but, you know, it's tasteful 90s/00s style woke propaganda where it isn't obviously retarded and offputting

which politically might make it worse but most people like that kind of thing

>>713056754
>Big empty field with enemy spam
One of the worst maps in the series, if not the worst

>>713057348
Sacred Stones and Binding Blade HM definitely become slogs if you aren't skipping in the late game yes but I don't actually like them very much, also why no (You)? I assume you were referring to my post

I should have mentioned that you don't have to warpskip the SS map though you can just fly to the end and clear it in like three turns

>>713057573
pretty great fun in a Maniac Ironman from my personal experience but it really is tedious if you're handling the enemies too easily.

>>713057364
The games ain't hard, anon. So you can keep saying "skill issue," but these are just my honest observations. Love the tunes, the art, the dungeons. Hate the actual shit fucking gameplay of spamming the same move combos on trash mobs the entire game until a shortcut is found or a section is mapped, then warping back to town (because it's faster), then going over the same pathways again and fighting the same shitter mobs.
Something like Lost Shinjuku will have you going through certain parts 20+ times, unavoidably, if you're trying to 100% map it.

>where it isn't obviously retarded and offputting
Anon your villains are comically evil or you need them to kick puppies to see it.

>warp skip
>swamp maps
Just outing yourself as having not played the game.

>>713056574
>>713057045
>>713047412
arena abuse is grinding
throne abuse is grinding
spamming skirmishes, valni, lagdou, aux battles is grinding
metal slime farming is grinding

if you're consistently making progression in the game while fighting or whatever happens on the side, then that's not grinding. that's just a fundamental misunderstanding of the term.

>>713057897
Gayden sisters, genealogy sisters, 3HRT's sisters......

>>713057573
If it's so bad then why does IS keep reusing the same map design for nuFE huh

>>713057897
Grinding is about repetition of monotonous tasks (for a reward). Yes, if you choose to do those things, you're grinding. But at no point are you pushed to. It's side shit, completely avoidable and out of the way. Who the hell throne abuses except actual plebs?
Fire Emblem is content to just let you play the game and succeed off the strength of your tactics. Most forms of grinding are rare, tangential, non-infinite, and carry risk of permanent death.
So yeah, not a grindfag series, even if the eternal grindfag will always find a way to ruin the game for himself.

>>713054349
I didn't do fe8 because it bored me to death. fe6>fe7 because the map was too big for fe7

>>713058080
Cheaper to design and balance

>>713058080
>IS keep reusing the same map design for nuFE
Which maps are those?

>>713058085
There's no need to grind in the vast majority of jrpgs but retarded posters like the anon above will somehow insist that they're all grindy.

>>713058202
Awakening, birthrout, SoV and 3H.

>>713058295
They're grindy because they're badly designed. Yes, that's me. I'm insisting upon it. I seriously hate the fuck out of JRPGs. They're just so bad. I will call a game grindy that forces random encounters on me and literally forces me to overlevel. It's tedious.

if your endgame chapter doesn't break at least 200 reinforcements can it truly be considered endgame?

>>713058332
Post specific examples, because picking maps at random from these games does not result in big open fields with enemy spam

>>713058394
There is no way in hell you're going to overlevel just from going to point a to b in the average jrpg unless you somehow have non existent directional skills.
its retards like you why we have to deal with cancerous on touch encounters in cramped spaces that are more annoying than just using estoma or whatever your game's turn random encounters button off button is.

>>713058085
If FE8 forced you to do a skirmish after every exit into the world map that wouldn't be grinding, it'd just be a part of the game. The duty would then be on the devs to raise the difficulty of the actual maps to accomodate for the higher amount of levels you're expected to get, and if they don't that's just shit design. Just because a game is easy and makes you do content that you think should be skippable doesn't mean it's grinding. It inherently has to be something you go out of your way to do. Otherwise you'd be calling something as basic as killing a fucking chapter 1 brigand grinding.

>>713058475
ENTER.

>>713058624
>on touch encounters
Nigger, it's all bad. Your brain is cooked, acclimated to decades of shitty, unfun, unchallenging game design. It shouldn't fucking be this way. I *tolerate* JRPGs. If there's something redeeming other than the gameplay, like in Earthbound or EO, I may enjoy them on those merits. But the gameplay universally sucks ass. The whole genre needs to be burned down in holy fire and rebuilt from the ashes.
Traditional roguelikes and SRPGs got turn-base gameplay right years ago. Deckbuilders can be good too.

Based and truthpilled. Fire Emblem has really gone to shit over the past decade

>>713058475
>>713058803
you are like a little child

It's always been a slog. I tried playing Geneology a few years back and it hasn't aged well AT ALL

>>713038713 (OP)
OP picture related

>>713058848
>SRPGs got turn based gameplay right
By being just as repetitive on average? Replace spamming your best combo for that particular encounter with letting your favorite juggernauts handle most battles. Some of them even include AoE moves, so then those boil down to gather as many enemies as possible so you can fry all of them at once.
FE and other games aren't immune to having tools that just let you skip the map (which is the entire point of the grid) either.

>>713058982
>Marth managed to get a literal infinity of dragons to stand down by killing their leader and sitting on their throne
Marth is a supreme Chad

>>713058982
>there is a 120-turn long reinforcement pattern that repeats infinitely for a chapter you beat in 5 turns max
for what purpose?
https://fireemblemwiki.org/wiki/Light_and_Shadow/Reinforcements

>>713059186
But...I don't mind skipping over parts of the gameplay (that I don't like). Where does this idea come from, that you should be forced to play every single thing in a game, like a puppy getting its snout rubbed in poop? JRPGs love to waste your time. That is exactly my issue. And you think I don't like skipping the shitty parts, knowing that?
I LIKE juggernauts. They're fun and keep the gameplay snappy, and it's not like they solve the whole game by themselves. Not every trash mob should be a damn event.

>>713059314
Because if you do not beat the map in 5 turns, then the game wants you to be screwed beyond recognition even on the easier difficulties

>>713058332
SoV does not do reinforcement spam and copied the original's map design
>>713058503
Here's a pretty bad one

>>713059470
what is zombie summon spam?
idiot

>>713059470
>92 enemies
>it's over by turn 12
Awakening maps are really weird.

>>713058848
There isn't a single good deckbuilder game.

>>713038713 (OP)
fire emblem always sucked. its was always about GOLDEN SUN on gameboy advance nigga

>>713059673
not even sakurai gives a fuck about your shitty dead series

>>713059164
filtered zoomer

>>713059606
What an extreme statement
I've enjoyed Slay the Spire and Culdcept Revolt, even though I suck at the former. Culdcept Revolt is pure kino and more jarpig fags should play it. It's like JRPG, but good.

>>713059470
>Forts you can control both to stop reinforcements and to get advantageous terrain
>Forests that slow crossings between the sides and middle of the map while also serving as strategic combat areas
>Middle impassable terrain serving as a block which assimilates units into narrow points if they approach the middle of the map
It mogs Clash, and I wouldn't even call it a good map

>>713059779
xhe's right, genealogy is terrible

>>713059543
True. However, I argue that you can eliminate all summoned monsters just by rushing the summoner. I don't really recall many cantors posing too much of a threat and slowed the map down besides the gargoyle summoner here>>713049437 and the dragon summoner. Even then it was the swamps doing most of the slowdown.

>>713059370
>Where does this idea come from, that you should be forced to play every single thing in a game
I never said that.
>JRPGs love to waste your time.
You say this and then praise the genre where many of them have excessively large maps where you do nothing but move units from point a to point b each turn with nothing actually going on.

>>713059986
>I never said that.
A lot of people think it's bad that you can "skip" content in Fire Emblem. Like Warp and shit is a design flaw instead of a design pro that gives you more freedom in how you approach the game. It felt like you were dangerously close to making that argument yourself.
>praise the genre where many of them have excessively large maps where you do nothing but move units from point a to point b each turn with nothing actually going on
Don't know what you're talking about

No, you cannot tempt me into fighting for or against either one of two IPs that I enjoy.

>>713059953


Yup. I get why people like it for the dark and interesting story, but it hasn't aged well. Honestly most of the SNES FE games have aged like shit. The oldest one that's still fun to play is the GBA one

Genealogy is good
Tellius is good
cope and seethe

3H is good.
Engage is good.
Dilate.

>>713060413
Thracia is genuinely amazing though. It's not even le clunky. Basically plays like a GBA game except with some original ideas in it.

>>713059831
In theory youre correct, but in Awakening most enemies move unprovoked and you end up in a huge dogpile anyway.

official /v/ fe tier list

>>713060558
almost unimaginably bad taste

>>713059831
It would mog Clash if pairup didn't exist

>>713060558
>Rev low ans CQ high
Eceleb parroter detected

>>713060558
comprehensibly good taste

>>713060662
Rev fucking sucks. Get over it. Not him btw

>>713060697
If you want to pretend Rev is a horrible game, you have to also pretend CQ is bad. You can't have it both ways, since they're both Fates.

>>713060074
Warp is legitimately a very powerful and centralizing tool in every game that it exists because it allows the player to functionally ignore most if not all of the obstacles between the start point/goal. Rescue is a more interesting tool to work with which is why you tend to see it have a better reception among players at all levels.

>Don't know what you're talking about
You can't tell me that you've somehow never once played a SRPG with a section where all you do is just slowly trudge your units from point a to b with absolutely nothing of consequence going on.

>>713060819
nah you're just retarded
I've played CQ for over 1000 hours, I've played Rev less than 100
coooope about it

>>713060558


Crazy how the Gamecube and Wii had the best Fire Emblem games of all time! I would put Sacred Stones at A simply because of Lyn but overall good list.

anytime someone says they like genealogy or RD it is an instant tell that they enjoy western moviegame slop and would slurp up the most mind numbing gameplay imaginable if it had some pretentious story behind it

>>713060558
Too bad there's no way to fully capture /v/'s tastes through a poll or something.

>>713060913
>Haven't played Rev much by your own admission
(lol

>>713060902
Warp is fine
>You can't tell me that you've somehow never once played a SRPG with a section where all you do is just slowly trudge your units from point a to b with absolutely nothing of consequence going on.
Not...really? Maybe for like, one map? But not in principle, no. What games are you playing, so I know to avoid them?

>>713060506

3H is kino
Engage had a shit story but the combat was pretty good

>>713060515

I wish Nintendo would either give us a remake or at least release the translated version onto their emulator service. I know you just need to download the rom and the translation but for whatever reason I enjoy games more when I play them officially over pirating them.

>>713060981
You're about as smart as a fish

>sacred stones
>having a lyn mode

>>713060970
You can count the number of people who've seriously played Warriors 1 or TMS on one hand, so a lot of votes around those games would be disingenuous at best.

>>713061024
>What games are you playing, so I know to avoid them?
fire emblem the binding blade

>>713061024
Fire Emblem has sections like that in its own maps lmao.

>>713061076
Whatever you say, secondary

anytime someone says they like fire emblem since awakening it is an instant tell that they are a western retard and japanese fans make fun of this fact

>>713038713 (OP)
It's not shocking the series died when they introduced the cancer known as (((bisexual))) representation. Avoid any series with at least one installment featuring that garbage like the plague.

>>713061153
Tbf, this map is far more tolerable if you have mounts. Rescue allows for your units to never lag behind doing nothing if utilized properly.

>>713060961
The only bad part about RD's gameplay was Part 4's maps though

>>713061153
he would be filtered by chapter 5

>>713061250
and the entirety of part 1
and constantly switching parties in part 2
and the dreadfully long enemy phases (hello 3-E)
if RD was just part 3 but extended to full game length it would have been good

>>713061153
It's one map. And a lot of the issues players have with the map are because they refuse to set up rescue chains and rely on mounts. Again, I can't think of any SRPG where you routinely play in empty maps. Even Genealogy doesn't have empty maps.

>>713038713 (OP)
Naturally, modern Japan sucks. Culture doesn't exist in a vacuum, and it's only gonna get worse.

>>713061339
No one said anything about empty maps. The point is that the genre absolutely is filled with maps with sections where all you do is move units from point a to point b with nothing really going on. FE4 is one of the biggest culprits for this in FE although a lot of people forget about memes like FE3 Chapter 3 where you have to drag Marth's ass to the village.

I rabu Fire Emblem

>>713039190
based

>>713061779
Prove it.

>>713061681
>where you have to drag Marth's ass to the village
Be honest, do you ever use Matthis? If the answer is no, then you are the only person to blame for the map being long. Even if you do use him, you should learn to git gud and outmaneuver him instead of going the coward's way around through the mountains. [/spoiler,]

>>713061337
part 1 is the only time fire emblem has been good since fe5

>>713061779
SAME!!!

>>713061849
so good that you lost two ironmans thanks to fiona the shitter lmfao

>>713061849
try harder next time

>>713061681
>filled with
No it fucking isn't lol
That's why you're naming the obvious meme examples that everyone always picks. You absolutely do NOT see many maps like this in FE, never mind the genre as a whole. Genealogy is probably the worst for doing this as a whole and it's so unusual that it's the first thing anyone mentions about the game, the massive maps.
Like, my point was that JRPGs are full of pointless, grindy random encounters *in principle*. You counter that SRPGs are full of barren maps (that's what you're literally arguing, succinctly). And it just isn't true. It's straight up false.

Not gonna mention your fates favorite map aka snow shoveling?

>>713061909
>NOOO, YOU CAN'T LOSE A SINGLE UNIT IN THIS GAME WITH PERMADEATH
What the fuck was RD's problem?

>>713062014
We're already shitting on Revelation except for one idiot who always glazes it

>>713061337
>and the entirety of part 1
I liked it for the most part since I had to play strategically to get the best out of the Dawn Brigade
>and constantly switching parties in part 2
I don't see what's wrong with this, but I'll grant that 2-1 sucks after the first playthrough.
>and the dreadfully long enemy phases (hello 3-E)
Fair but emulation speed-up is key
>>713061909
Just git gud and save her quickly

>>713062039
It tried to have a le deep and complex story and didn't give a fuck about how shitty the gameplay had to be to get there

>>713062014
>Muh snow shoveling
Skill issue. Here's several ways you can easily handle this map
>Destroy snow with your tankier units, back up with your frailer units
>Don't be a complete coward and destroy snow effectively each turn instead of 1 tile per turn
>Move towards Zola at a good pace instead of obsessing over muh boosters
In short, git gud.

>>713062303
Tell that to your crybaby fagbase lol

>>713062379
Go crying

>>713062427
Yes your fagbase is crying meanwhile they love chores and abuse the troonwheel

>this map is so unanimously cancerous that you should skip over its only redeeming feature (stat boosters) in the game where every unit has no stats and desperately needs them
>the appeal or Revelation is the wide range of unit customization available
>I'm NOT a retard please don't fuck my face

>>713062039
Generally speaking horrendous game design

nobody actually likes FE
they like the slot machine level up screen and nothing else

>>713062498
>WAAAAH I NEED BOOSTERS TO BEAT REV
Massive skill issue

Find an honest Revelation fan, and you get a million bucks

>>713062619
what about the people that play with 0% growths

Is /v/ really so bad they cannot beat a Fire Emblem game without losing units?

>>713062775
Yes, next question

>Ending turn several times on random unmarked desert tiles until the game gives you extremely valuable hidden items like Warp and the Silver Card
Good
>Needing to detour a bit and kill a few specific units for minor stat boosters
Bad

Everyone hates desert maps you dumb nigger

Im not a larping oldfag like most of this thread is, I started this franchise with Conquest of all things, and its pretty sad to see nobody defending FE4 at all in the thread, the large maps are boring when you want to move your units around sure, but I dont mind at all the time wasted in each chapter, I usually would only tackle one chapter per day not to burn myself out and I vastly enjoyed it, It was kind of fun to get units up to a level where they could pretty much clean off entire army portions by themselves, Larcei's family especially guilty of this, Gen 1 was a bit more boring to play as because it felt like no real progression was being done unit-wise since most were already promoted and strong, I enjoyed the Gen 2 portion a lot better, that said shoutout to Lachesis I was invested in making her the best as she could be
FE4 feels like a sandbox version of Fire Emblem which is quite unique to me

You're never going to do a ranked run or efficiency playthrough, so why do you freak out over the fact that you need to end your turn a couple times? The time it takes to get gba supports or move around a map or shovel snow is trivial, it only matters if you care about the turn count

>>713062921
Then every game with desert maps is worse than Rev confirmed

>>713062938
It's trendy to hate on it. Probably deserves some of it, it likes to throw forest and desert tiles at you, on top of its already gargantuan maps for some reason. It's still one of the most original games ever made and I think anons who make shitting on it their personality are just trying to get a rise out of people.

Oh, I wish Shitvelation's problems ended with snow shoveling
You dumb anon
You stupid motherfucker, you

Just grind like you do in SoV and 3HRT pretentious dipshit

>he's a grindfag
oh

>>713063113
idk I can kind of appreciate when FE lets you make proper use of terrain, albeit it was pretty broken in FE4, some units went down to single digits of ever getting hit at all at times, but there's FE games where I outright can ignore terrain usage because its very redundant

>>713063161
>The snow map is the epitome of what's wrong with Rev!
Actually, it's pretty tolerable especially compared to the shit that FE commonly pulls
>W-well, there's worse than the snow map in Rev!
(lol

>>713062938
I like the gameplay and I've done replayed it multiple times with extra challenges. but there's not much I can discuss with casuals except pairings

>>713063262
The problem is it reduces movement to 1. In the game with the largest maps in the series. It's kinda silly.

>games with only one item slot and no trade because the dogshit personal gold system
good
>games with convoy and multiple slots
bad

>>713062938
people hate FE4 because it is easily the game that has the worst quality dropoff between a first playthrough and a second
in reality, most of the issues it has (overly large maps, extremely lacking difficulty, too many home castle timewasters like arena fighting and inventory management) are present in every playthrough, but they're greatly magnified when you try to look at the game as anything more than a silly story with some cheap and easy gameplay inbetween
to me the abysmal difficulty is the worst aspect, it more than just about any other game completely falls apart if you do anything resembling sensical gameplay, I can't be bothered having to put a dozen different restrictions just to pretend there is something beneath all the questionable design decisions
I genuinely do understand why someone could play FE4 for the first time and enjoy it, but I think if you view it under the same scrutiny that you would every other entry in the series, it's clearly many steps below in game design.

>>713063715
What's so timewasting about the inventory management?

>>713063941
having to sell and buy and occasionally store in the convoy just to transfer an item from one unit to another, compare that to just using the trade option in literally every other game
multiply that a couple times over for how many things you wanna move around at the beginning of a map and the extra time adds up fast

Is this really the Mighty Minerva?
These stats lmao.

No wonder Palla got a swimsuit, she is a beast.

>tfw game gave me like two dozen master seals
>refused to promote at all
>lost the ironman as a result
live by the 20/20 sword die by the 17/0 sword

>>713064510
There'a a reason the game is called: Mystery of who balanced Pella.

>>713064510
>>713064957
Yeah it's crazy, she's almost as good as kris or catria

>>713063941
>>713064102
Anybody bitching about inventory management should play FE1.

>>713064957
>>713065073
Kris is a bigger beast but sadly I fucked the character creation and my Kris cant fly.

>>713065152
You can still trade in FE1, making it less of a pain in the ass than FE4

>>713065262
>You can still trade in Fe1
No, you can't.

None of you nigs can even beat fe7

>>713066024
DELET

>>713065350
You can, it's just very jank trading.

>>713064957
nobody calls it that

>>713066024
Yeah we do we just have to grind Raven first

>>713038713 (OP)
The promo system is way too liberal nowadays and it leads to huge homogenization of the units.
Scientifically, a split promo system, or, dare I even say it, a THREE-WAY split promo system, is the way to go.
We all agree.

Whole series is shit but it's fun, so I don't care. I find it more interesting to discuss the dumbest/worst decisions in the franchise.
>gaiden requirements in shadow dragon
>sophia being unbelievably ass
>dawn brigade
>avatarsexuals
>needing skills to crit or double
Could go on, but you get the point. A discussion of what harms each game more and how these flaws compare to one another is at least different than the usual console war tier crap.

>>713065350
You can actually

I HATE FIRE EMBLEM
t. fire emblem fan

>>713066642
The dawn brigade is fine. Most of them are basically just subversions of thier classes. But it works specifically cause it makes them exploitable with bexp. Micaiah is gimped by having a luck cap of 40 even in her base class though.

>>713066260
You also have to limit yourself to 3 pieces of equipment with each character.

Fire emblem was never good

>>713066642
Let's go over the games I played:
>FE1: The entire inventory and convoy system.
>FE2: Map design.
>FE3: Not fixing the awful deployment system of FE1.
>FE6: So many to pick from... But I think I'll settle on Hard mode bonuses breaking several characters.
>FE8: Seth existing as he does.
>Awakening: The entire Valm arc.
>Three Houses: Having four routes in a game that generously only could have afforded 3.

>>713067295
Also, because I forgot:
>Shadow Dragon: Another game with so much wrong with it it's not even funny. Gaiden chapters make a strong case, but I honestly think adding the weapon triangle in a game where Axe enemies vanish after Chapter 9 wins out.
>New Mystery of the Emblem: Probably Kris existing at all. Though I'm also partial to the entire prologue being designed by Satan.

now FEH that's a good emblem!

>le difficulty rom hack
>2nd map is fog

>>713067489
I quit Bells of Byelen because of fog spam. At least I think that's the one that had it.

Name a single good fog map

>>713062498
What would Asa's class line be?

I want to make a Rom Hack based on the Thirty Year war but I'm not sure how hard it would be to add gunpowder units.

>>713067648
Chapter 9 in FE6 is alright.

>>713068053
look at her go!

>>713068053
DAMN CHILD UNIT WITH BAD GROWTHS

>>713067708
You'd first need battle animations for guns, moskets, etc. I wish I had the ability to do that, I need some models too for my hack and I'd gladly share.

>>713068213
Yeah, making sprites would be an issue (Never done that before). Most other classes (Like Hussars and Pikemen) could probably use default sprites.

>Finally reach an Arena where I can grind without that shitter Astram bothering me.
Its GAME time!

>>713068280
If you're loaded, there's people who accept comission on sprites and battle animations. Otherwise, I guess it's just waiting a few years for AI that can make it (lol)

>>713068696
Perhaps. I'm not exactly loaded, but depending on how much it costs I don't mind spending some.

Do wonder though if a thirty year war game would work conceptually. Would probably need to replace the melee weapon triangle with a ranged one.

>>713067708
there's a few gunmen on the repo

>>713068865
Looks good.

>>713068814
>I'm not exactly loaded, but depending on how much it costs I don't mind spending some.
Nevermind, the niggers doing comissions, at least in FEU, are out of their fucking minds.. Some guy wants from 120 to 300 dollars for a GBA combat animation.
Probably cheaper to message some koreans or chinese animators on youtube like E33 devs.

>>713069612
Yeah, not spending that much.

The one posted here looks fine. Sure i can find something for pistols and muskets as well.

>>713069612
Reminds me of some shitter asking 50$ for a shitty gba portrait.
Fuck off lmao.

When are we going to make our own SRPG? If /v/ could make a VN 20 years ago, whats stopping us?

>Be the single strongest unit in the game
>Practically immune to magic
>Defense comparable or better than knights
>Massive damage and crit rate
>Effective against the most dangerous enemy in the game
>People still call you dogshit
Why do people not like Fae? Are they stupid or something?

>>713070246
Most people like Fae from a character perspective. Her big issue is that she can literally only attack 30 times.

>Effective against the most dangerous enemy in the game
Wyverns?

I like Kaga games my problem with them is that all the individual agency and political machinery always end with the same stupid twists, with demons being blamed for everything.

you should be able to reclass dwagins after they break their stione

>>713070386
>with demons being blamed for everything.
Berwick doesn't have demons

>>713070246
Biggest issue is that she can only attack 30 times. You can steal a Dragonstone in C22 with a Berserked Thief.

>>713038713 (OP)
Agreed.
Sharp downward turn since Awakening.

>>713070386
It's because he keeps repeating the twist from Genealogy and Mystery not understanding why it worked.

>>713070403
you should kys

>>713070403
kys

>>713070403
It would be cool, honestly.

Though, frankly, I honestly kind of prefer the way FE1 balances them.

If non of my lords can survive an attack from the Dragon in the final chapter in FE7 is my run just bricked? Eliqood gets doubled and hector and lyn don't have enough HP.

>>713071302
You can just use Athos, that's literally why he's there, to prevent getting softlocked

>>713071302
Are you doing a Ironman? Is there a chance you can crit?

>>713071467
Oh, I thought you had to use the special weapons to kill it.

I can just give a bunch of elixers to Athos then and let him tank it.

Its dogshit matchmaker for normalfaggots, i hate myself for playing this shit and expecting some decent (you) romance.

>>713070403
You should NOT kill yourself, king

>>713072004
The (you) romances tend to be the weakest part of the story.

>>713072004
if you wanted actual romance, cut the middlemen and play a real dating sim

>>713072462
I will admit main stories were investing and interesting and to this day when i relisten soundtracks i feel nostalgic but the way they handle romance pisses me off
>>713072490
If they make it an option for player i would prefer it not to be some humiliation ritual where you get chromd, thank god i knew that shit beforehand otherwise i would have not played other fe games and would be even bigger hater.

>>713071770
A single elixir and a luna tome should be enough. My units were never so weak that I had problems with the boss, so I don't know what your issue is. You also have a ton of weapons to use against them.

>>713061940
FE3 has maps like Chapter 3 and the one with the ice dragons where you have to walk around in circles.
4 is the epitome of hauling ass with nothing to do on multiple occassions. I could be lazy and bring up spirit forest or chapters 5/7 but what about stuff like chapter 9 when you're making the trip between the western and southern castles?
Gaiden/SoV's maps are universally panned across the fanbase.
No one likes 14x in FE6, Jerme's map in 7 or the Sonia map in the same game either. Lyn Mode Chapter 10 is pretty shit too with the rain mechanic.
Or do we need to talk about how many members in the fanbase dislike revelation because of multiple maps being red light/green light tier crap

FE has a lot of shit maps senpai.

>>713061839
You dont hall ass around the map for Matthis. You do it to get Julian because having a thief saves a lot of time in several maps.

>>713050528
Rescue exists and then later you get the Warp staff and the boots shop, moving Roy around the map isn't as bad as people pretend it is.

Rout > kill boss > Seize >>>>>>survive

>>713076857
Warp is a bandaid for bad map design.

Fire Emblem

>>713077180
Every map is a rout map.

>>713062039
They knew there would be no recovery from a loss as severe as Fiona or Leonardo, so they're saving you the trouble of getting softlocked and needing to restart the entire game. Also lol if you enter the laguz map before getting the Meg convo and then return to base she's just gone forever

>>713062938
It's impossible to covince FE4 haters that there's anything fun about the gameplay so I've just stopped trying.

wow this thread is still up
>>713062938
I would have defended 4 but I was asleep. also, Oosawa's Ethlin is my wife

>>713079831
Engage

>>713076134
>naming THE worst games
>changing to "shit" maps
Look, you made a specific claim - that SRPGs are "filled with" empty maps where you spend multiple turns "doing nothing, just moving around". This is untrue on its face as no one would be interested in playing games where you do nothing most of the time. You still haven't been able to defend this bold assertion on its own merits.
You've only been able to point out that certain games are known for their bad map design or that certain games have one or two overly large maps, which no one ever disagreed with. I think you should drop this line of argument, it's clearly fucking silly and you only said it to get an "own" on SRPGs.

>>713084604
I can see why someone would make this claim about SRPGs in general, because this is a major issue with many non-FE SRPGs. Lots of featureless empty grids with randomly positioned enemies that take forever to kill. Main reason I could never finish TO or SRW, for example.

>>713085030
I do think those games are weak on the map design, but the anon was making a very specific argument - that you spend multiple turns moving around and doing nothing in SRPGs, which of course would be boring. Which I don't think is true even of those games. He wanted to find something to ding SRPGs for, but it's just not a good point if you think about it for more than a second.
Even a game known for its bad maps like Awakening isn't just consecutive turns moving around with nothing to do or fight.

>>713085305
Yeah FE4 is the only game I can think of where this happens somewhat frequently. Ch 4 is rough to get through on replays lol. Apart from that there's maybe one map per game like this and they're usually universally disliked. Even then it's maybe like 2-3 turns without action.

>>713085851
Gaiden and its remake too, arguably. But no one defends Gaiden for its map design. Just feels like a frivolous point if we have to scrape the barrel for games like Gaiden and Revelation.

Will we get cute Kemonomimi girls next FE?

>>713086332
i hope not

>>713073976
Combination of some truly horrible level ups through out the play through and losing some of my best units to bullshit. Lost Lowen to a 1% crit on the map where you get Durandel. Florina to two consecutive 13% misses, etc. I pretty much have just Harken, Rath and Sain left.

>>713082850
You can also safely kill Aran as an enemy, but you game over if you recruited him and he's killed. It shows that, despite the game's insistence that the entire Down's Brigade is invaluable, they are ironically almost all disposable.

>>713081941
...if you play like a faggot

>>713085030
>SRW
I could forgive you if you said FFT or TO but SRW maps are some of the fastest ones in the genre once you know what you're doing. Many of them even encourage you to play fast and efficiently with your positioning since they have time sensitive rewards.

>>713085030
Jeanne D'Arc was very guilty of this

>>713085305
>>713085851
>>713086234
>>713084604
>FE3/6/7/12
>The worst games
I will definitely shit on 7 for having rain/snow maps where they cripple your movement to 1-2 movement per turn and you have to wait for it to turn off. Jerme's map is so fucking ass.

>>713089875
Maybe it was just the one I played (30), but the maps were shit as hell

>>713090014
FE1 is the worst one if you want to talk about tedious shit.

>>713090014
I've come around to respecting the rain slightly more than I used to simply because it punishes people who underestimate FE7 by making them lose Priscilla.

>>713089781
>Not wanting all the XP
NGMI

>>713091147
rout THIS then >>713058982

>>713090036
>30
That one is bad, no time pressure and easy content. You can effortlessly one turn every map in that after a while. Play Alpha Gaiden, A Portable or OGs if you want something more interesting from a strategy standpoint. W if you like writing.

>>713091542
Tbf, it's more likely that no one bothered counting the turns of reinforcements than the reinforcements actually being infinite.

>>713090067
FE4's whole game design is literally built around doing tedious shit

>>713064510
Based Palla eating effective silver weapon damage and killing on the counter. I'm jealous of your Palla's 20 speed though, holy shit. Mine only has 17.

Happy birthday to Orochi from fire emblem fates birthright! everyone wish this hag a happy 35th for june 19th

>>713054343
to be fair Lilina hit like level 12 on her join chapter and then got benched for a while. didnt even promote until chapter 17 because we promoted clarine and elen. she didn't really do much until sacae.

>>713094980
I got Larum killed in the second relay AMA

>>713094980
>4 months ago
FUCK I MISS THE RELAYS SO BAD
BRING THEM BACK RIGHT NOW
I WOULD TAKE 20 SCHIZOS AND 20 BATMANS IF IT MEANT I COULD PLAY FE AGAIN

>>713094647
I wonder why she's not more popular desu. Her design is sexo.

>>713038713 (OP)
Nope it's the best fire emblem has ever been. The divine pulse mechanic is awesome and playing older titles without it feel very outdated. I don't care about the "play like it's real war" so you lose your units permanently or reset the game. Nah you can play like an autist with divine pulse if you want. This feature better stay for future FE games.

>>713095837
>>713095837

>>713095871
Non-royals in Birthright are just generally not popular. Not sure if it's because Birthright itself is unpopular or what

>>713095576
we still don't know what batman means sister

>>713096042
Even as a non-Royal, she's still one of the most valuable deploys in BR and Rev due to Capture.

>>713096193
I'm guessing anti-schizo investigators

>>713095871
because she's a crap mage that people only use to give notTharja something close to her canon hair color.
>>713096323
you can't capture V*llites in Rev, and enemies in both routes barely have any skills.

>>713095132
IQ status?

>>713096869
She's doesn't join as late as Niles in Rev, so she gets to capture a shitton of units. She also has valuable captures in BR since none of your units have much defense while the generics do, allowing you to tank in a game where you're not expected to tank.

>>713097156
~130

>>713095871
She's hag-coded which is honestly not that popular even with normies. She's obviously "anime old" at worst (25-30), but her ornate hair and personality make her seem like a spinster. And she doesn't really have Titania mommy energy or relevance to go along with it.
As a unit she's fine but casuals hate units with weird growths.

>>713097465
Tanking with captures in BR instead of just using one of the numerous units with good defenses is 50 iq shit.

>>713041351
NTA but i lost interest in awakening on classic a little after Chrom's sister dies, basically a few missions. The sole reason for this is that my Chrom and PC were so totally busted I was soloing maps like it was a muso game. Made every unit feel redundant.

>>713098410
Awakening is THE juggernaut game. Have you played any other FE games? It's like, unusually bad in this respect.

>>713098591
Nice.

>>713096869
Orochi's one problem is her speed and she's in the route with buyable horse spirit and multiple +speed pair ups.

>>713072004
The romance in this series is targeted to women, hence why there is so much more focus on shipping rather than waifuing (minus Engage)

>>713097794
>Using the game mechanics is low IQ
Huh?

>>713098615
Yeah, Path of Radiance on GC and fire emblem on GBA. Good but not terribly challenging games; was a big fan of Ike.

>>713060558
why are birthright and conquest in different tiers? i just played them and theyre the same game with similar maps. is difficulty really that important

>>713048615
I used Wade once nad it was pretty fun

>>713102220
conquest's map design is many times better than birthright's
and yes difficulty does matter because birthright is laughably easy

>>713102220
Conquest has far superior map design and yes difficulty is obviously important to many players. Even the AI in conquest is better. In Birthright, enemies will just suicide onto you even if they deal no damage.

>>713054349
FE8's is definitely the worse because even without the WARP STAFF it can be trivalized by one flyer dropping any developed unit onto the boss by turn 4

>>713051843
>>713053095
>Lilina is le BAD
>Meanwhile, turns into an MVP in every ironman she's used, consistently proves useful with her nuking capabilities and she has access to the best weapon type in FE6
(lol

>>713064420
I never understood why Minerva is considered a "good" unit in player guides. She gets fucking shredded on anything other than normal and her Str is pretty sad for a prepromote axe user

>>713103006
Lugh clears

>>713102594
>Open the stream
>Streamer hovers over enemy pirates to see their range
>"Is red where they can hit?"
Oh no, she's retarded...

>>713103107
Lugh is usually good, but his coinflip growths means that he can also be very shit sometimes. Besides, Lilina is good to use alongside Lugh as well.

>>713103046
she is like a high C at best
I don't think anyone rates her higher than that

>>713103046
Because she's on a wyvern, so obviously dumping every stat booster on her is "optimal".

>>713102361
I'm using him right now and one thing he really has going for him is his support with Shanna, which grants +1 attack, +5 hit per level. His speed is really hard to work around though, very similar to Bartre.

>>713102220
Conquest has vastly superior enemy design and more map objectives. Ryoma Emblem isn't as good.

>>713104472
>Ryoma Emblem
Just don't use him? You can literally solo SS from beginning to end with Seth and that's fine, but having Ryoma join towards the end of the game makes BR bad somehow?

>>713060558
You can’t hate Revelations and love Conquest at the same time.

>>713104472
And Conquest is Camillaemblem

>>713102594
I thought this would be a fun stream of a slightly unhinged women but her constantly save scumming ruins it.

>>713103046
If its Shadow Dragon, its because the unit quality in that game is so bad in H5 that a mediocre unit like Minerva becomes good by default.

>>713104451
A double support with Thany and Allen would give Wade a stupid 25% critical boost and combined with his decent skill and luck (on promotion) would probably push him to 30% crit on most enemies.

Then it's spin to win...

>>713105081
BR Ryoma is so much more gamebreaking than CQ Camilla it isn't even funny.

>>713105719
>+5 damage on a unga bunga character
>+25 crit
Damn, that does sound good even if it just results in Gonzales Lite.

>>713104908
hating every route that isn't CQ is exactly what fatesfags have been doing for the past decade.

>>713103046
Axe unit in a axe game.

>>713105926
>>713105926

>>713038713 (OP)
3 houses was a legitimate masterpiece though.

>>713104908
conqueers are hypocrites

>>713038713 (OP)
Reclassing killed FE for me. Branching was fine but beting able to turn everybody in to wyvern knights and shit is just stupid.

>>713104884
Not using Ryoma just leads to the opposite problem where the lategame maps become tediously annoying instead. So your choices for BR lategame are either tedious and annoying or mindless and boring.

>>713106797
>Can't beat lategame effectively without Ryoma
Sounds like a skill issue to me

>>713106873
There's no skill involved in Juggernaut focused maps. You just need big numbers and broken skills.

>>713105719
Shame he's not a 'zerker. Unfortunately in my case, I'm not using Alan, so I'm going to make his other partner Echidna.

>>713106995
>Juggernaut focused maps
New buzzword just dropped.

>>713059817
The entire Culdcept series is kino, even if the stories are 5th grade trash. The game is just so good.

>>713106873
Even if you don't use Ryoma, you just end up with a Sol-Ninja Saizo solo or something instead.

>>713107802
>Even if you don't use Seth, you just end up with a Franz solo or something instead.
Just like Sacred Stones but with more effort needed for builds, yet no one is as harsh to SS as to BR. Curious...

Reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CIjJHCNTg&t=9

>>713038713 (OP)
Yes. Prepare for 50000000000000000000 weebanons screaming that you're wrong and black.

>>713038713 (OP)
You are right and white

>>713105909
And hating any game that isn’t CQ.

FIRST REPLY DECIDES MY 3HRT DANCER

>>713110095
Your Lord

>>713110095
Felix

>>713110170
cringe, nvm ur overruled im picking Lysithea

>>713110334
What house did you pick kek?

>>713110562
I stand with Dimitri

Never forget the 6 million who died in the Holocaust of Duscur

Fuck, Fates' 10th anniversary is in less than a week!! :o

>>713111562
Fucking blessed uncensored patch

>>713111562
Enjoy the nothing and how reviled that game is.

>>713044676
The intermission menu is nothing like Garreg Mach or Somniel, Are you retarded?

>>713044676
>Menu that gets you to point A and B
>Same thing as monastery or Somniel
FEfags in charge of not being disingenuous

I'm playing Roy's game for the first time

>>713112767
>Caring about what redditTrannies say
LMAO
I'm finally able to enjoy the game with every single piece of content thanks to the uncensored patch.
https://varishangout.com/index.php?threads/fire-emblem-fates-uncensored-patch.2738/

>>713113314
enjoy it because they won't make more of that games for your kind anymore moepig lover

>>713108794
I actually had that problem when I did that map last time because I was using a base level Seth. No one ended up dying, but he was pinned there for a few turns. I still managed to snag Amelia's speedwing.

>>713113550
They just made Engage (lol

>All Fire Emblem is le bad ackshually
Then why am I having fun playing them?

I like fire emblem

>>713115925
You aren't allowed to like the games here

Hate emblems

>>713108794
https://youtu.be/tYFwmikPcdM?t=11

>>713070246
Fae and Myrrh are sadly less like units and more like tactical nukes. Especially Fae. If you leave her in enemy range for one fucking round she could use half of her Dragonstone. Therefore, she's just a player phase "kill boss" button which you should already have in spades at that point in the game.
Myrrh at least has 50 uses so she can function closer to an actual unit.

>>713118041
People usually use Fae more as a status stave sink because she has insane res and you can abuse the deployment order to make them basically always target her

>>713118041
nah her role is to be a res tank

>>713118172
>>713118307
Where the fuck are you sticking Fae that only mages attack her and not melee units that deplete her Dragonstone? That's like, a handful of situations. Aside from the reverse deployment order status staff thing, which is an obtuse mechanic from bad coding and not the intended design of the unit.

>>713118454
>Where the fuck are you sticking Fae that only mages attack her and not melee units that deplete her Dragonstone?
I like letting Hugh attack her over and over through a wall on ch 16 so he's easier to recruit later
>which is an obtuse mechanic from bad coding and not the intended design of the unit.
Okay? The reality is that it's part of the game, and it's how people tend to use her.

>>713117943
Kek

>>713118640
>The reality is that's part of the game
So is the mine glitch. So are AI controlled thieves stealing Dragonstones. So are a multitude of other glitches the player can exploit.
The staff targeting thing is a glitch that only exists in FE6, and playing around it feels like cheating to me.

>>713119034
>So is the mine glitch. So are AI controlled thieves stealing Dragonstones.
Those are easily avoidable by just... not doing them... I'm aware of the staff targeting priorities, so it feels stupid to put a unit I don't want targeted in the deployment slot that guarantees they get targeted.

>>713095837
>>713095837
>>713095837

>>713118454
She's fantastic in 16x. Just send her in and let her deplete all 3 bolting tomes. The only enemies that attack her are the mages that do no damage and the knights that pose no threat and get doubled or critted.
The bishops are too far back and only get activated once you breach a line and activate everything else in the level. You could make it work for depleting those guys too though, not to mention the staves as well.
Probably her best chapter outside of 24 obviously.