>We don't have enough money for development

>>713271591 (OP)
of what?

>>713272020
FFXIV you dork.

>>713271591 (OP)
Yeah, it’s a known fact that square suck money out of xiv to fund their shit products that nobody buys. They’re so fucking stupid that they don’t continue to invest in the one thing keeping them afloat. Gotta make 200 more mobile games and a bunch of games nobody gives a fuck about. Remember the SOLDIER battle royale they released and quickly swept under the rug? Subs pay for that, not xiv’s budget.

>>713271591 (OP)
so produce a quality 30 hour game instead of a 200 hour boreslop

>>713271591 (OP)
I don't even find that surprising. What is completely baffling is people that go around defending Yoshida.

Game design is free. Ideas are free. The implementation of RPG systems are extremely cheap things to do. But they require planning.
Planning that this director/producer/game designer opted not to do.
In an effort to cut costs(the only good thing he's remotely decent at), he removed game design from FFXIV. By removing RPG mechanics and systems, and neglecting to add new gameplay to the game in 11 years of live service, we are about to see the backfire of a lifetime.
Cutting costs will end up being more expensive than putting honest good effort on the game. Even if it was slow.
It is impossible to out-content a gameplay problem. It's not about "mid-core" or "hardcore" or "casual." It's about the game being completely trash regardless of your skill level or time spent on it.
This colossal blunder in game design needs to be studied, it's right up there with Destiny being mishandled entirely as a franchise.

>>713272961
They didn't make rebirth you dumbass

Post hardcore raiders malding about no new Ultimate in 7.3

>>713273127
I know, they made XVI which is even worse

>>713271591 (OP)
>removes rez restriction from forked tower

Behold, a normal mode

>>713273486
their b-team made XVI
>but XVI was made by all their ARR and HW staff
yes, their b-team

>>713273486
XVI is a 35 hour long game

>>713273163

>>713273643
I would argue C-team if dawntrail didn't exist

>>713271591 (OP)
Imagine making millions of dollars a year with your MMO, but instead of funneling that money back into the game to make it better, the higher ups feed it into games like Foamstars and leave you with a team of less than 300 people, while WoW has 500+.

>>713273809
dawntrail was A-team work, apparently they've been having workers scalped and yoshit says their QA team used to be bigger hence the bugfixes needed lately
>but but but wuk...
last we'll see of her is 7.3, don't care. i got an FF9 expansion and got mage mashers as a tomestone weapon, deep dungeon goes back to il mheg to see my scottish pixie wife again, everything else doesn't matter to me

>>713273043
>By removing RPG mechanics and systems,
I miss Stormblood AST/DRK

>>713273724
With 6 hours worth of gameplay. Fetch quests don't count as gameplay

>>713274001
>FF9 expansion
easily the worst thing about DT besides le mutt, but enjoy your slop

>>713274518
>i hate FF9
yes i was already aware you have bad taste

>>713273163
I want to do the ShB ulti before leaving for good, guess I'll come back in a fucking year

>>713273761
>>713273163
Weren't these retards saying a .5 Ult would be better because it's the longest wait for a new tier since it's just a lull before the next expansion?

>>713274819
yeah turns out they lied and they want a new ultimate every other patch

>>713274001
Do we know what they're being scalped for?

>>713272431
They did the exact same thing with FFXI. A lot of people forget when FFXIV came out it was a total bomb and they relied on FFXI diehards to keep them afloat while they remade that piece of shit into something tolerable in 2.0 and after that did practically nothing to thank the fans that kept them going all that time with mini expansions that were literally nothing but a couple quests. It really should have been seen coming that they will do the same thing to FFXIV fans as they push their next round of bullshit for other projects.

>>713273163
>story chads get raped by wuk lamat
>Raidniggers act smug and high
>no new ultimate
>hahaahahahaha
glad I quit

>>713273935
>the higher ups feed it into games like Foamstars
Friendly reminder that all your sub money went straight into "Killer Inn" for the past two years (minimum) instead of FFXIV.
Enjoy that accursed knowledge.

>>713275217
Isnt FFXIV about the same age as FFXI when they started developing XIV? I guess it's probably had its life and starting to age now. Only real thing left is to slowly trickle out content and keep the hardcore subs happy and focus on making something new. XIV is an old game now

>>713275294
>Storychads raped
>PvPfags raped
>Raidniggers raped
>Midcorecopers raped
>Grindtards raped
Who even is left? ERPers? Can they even be fucked over at this point?

>>713275176
my best guess is either FF9 remake (there's a rumor it went internal because the third party company developing it fucked up, same story as FF7 remake) or the tactics remake

>>713275294
>story chads get raped by wuk lamat
Story chads have zero tolerance for any other character in the spotlight after getting their prostates hammered by Shadowbringers and Endwalker

>>713271591 (OP)
Who?

How much of the total profit does xiv generate for square? You guys make it sound like it's over 50%

>>713276373
iirc its about 30% of their profit while their mobile division is the rest

>>713276373
XIV is the highest profit single game they have, it outstrips most of their mobile division. Relatively speaking, XIV singlehandedly makes sure the company won't go under no matter how dumb their AAA projects and prospects.

>>713273043
>game design and implementation is cheap
Lol lmao even. Besides, we all know that that most of the money that 14 makes isnt put back into the game.

As formal aporogy from me all fanfest attendees will receive sphene cospray gf free of charge. Also beastomasta is now proper job

>>713276642
hell we have verbal confirmation of money not being returned to the game with yoshida complaining about their budget and staffing in this brand new PLL part 1

>>713273163
Fucking hate ultimates, too much dev time for something few players do, and after a couple weeks most people just buy their runs to get the most over-the-top vomit inducing FX weapons, I'd rather they use that dev time to make Field Operations better because that shit's the last bastion of content where people actually interact.

>not even a new fucking frontlines map at the very least

>>713276771
there's undoubtedly a lack of talent in japan too.

so should they start taking in less qualified japanese people and training them, or, open up positions to foreigners

money and social media metrics are the only things they understand

if you're japanese. good luck otherwise. lol

>>713277486
lalafell cunny

>>713276506
isn't SE's mobile department constantly hemorrhaging money because they can't actually attract regular players or whales, only dolphins and minnows?

>>713275846
>fucked it up
more like they paid for what they got but someone who wasn't entirely obsessed with numbers actually looked at it and said they could do more

I seriously doubt cost is the actual reason
They're just lazy and only know how to make binary kill/don't kill in/out/stack/spread savage mechanics these days
With shoestring budgets for ARR and HW they clearly came up with varied content ideas that weren't just savage fights but for 4 people or super savage fights but for 20 minutes or savage fights but for 24 people
Yeah deep dungeon is hit or miss and diadem wasn't that great, but they were at least experimenting and haven't really made any new kind of way to fundamentally engage with the game since Eureka

Yoshida is absolutely lying about "cost" being the issue for forked tower

>>713271591 (OP)
I didn't like what I tried of FF XIV but I gave the team making it the benefit of the doubt and thought I'm sure it was a fine game that just wasn't for me, but FF XVI on paper was for me and it was also absolutely awful so now my opinion of Yoshida and CBU3 has dropped immensely and I wonder if I was too easy on XIV in retrospect.

>>713274585
if you actually liked FF9 you would have noticed all of the interesting parts of it besides rats were already in XIV before DT was even announced, you're either a shill or a retarded consoomer

>>713277814
they're not leaning into monetization enough on their good games is the actual issue. ask anyone who played opera omina

a bog standard waifu collector gacha would keep squeenix afloat for decades

>>713278017
don't get angry at the zoomer anon. his understanding of millenial culture is vicarious memberberry consumption

>>713276771
Specifically my point is this retarded idea that they can't implement or even re-introduced the RPG systems and mechanics they removed over the years to cut costs. Naoki Yoshida chose to remove instead of improve many parts of the game that today would make the game feel worth playing.

When we take a look back at ARR/HW/SB, these games had less content from a content release stand point. But at the same time much more content by virtue of Jobs being unique both in a party setting and solo. This meant that even on one boss fight having different combinations of players and jobs resulted in a different experience in general. More nuance to learn. A new idea.

But as the game stands right now with Jobs being so similar, with so few systems that actually provide gameplay. How can they make better content? How can they reward us with anything that's worthwhile? How can they even make new Jobs that don't feel like carbon copies?
Well they can't. They can't because the game doesn't support these ideas.

They can't out-content a gameplay problem. And that is a decision that Yoshida took on his own. I'm saying he's a stupid fucking retard. Because it would be cheaper to produce better RPG systems to create more emergent and dynamic content than to brute-force sterile and segmented pieces of forgettable trash.

TurnBASED won
Yoshitpiss lost

>>713271591 (OP)
>No more money to add in a Normal mode for a raid
Even the Japs are shitting on him in by his response.
>"If there's no more money and cost is the reason then why don't you make the content to appeal to the most people instead of making it harder that only a few complete"
https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/62440285.html

>>713278760
don't think me being able to put good boy points into passive bonuses is going to improve a game that people play despite 85% of them being bad at it

>but its not as interesting
play a different game. this is for retiring millenial gamers who used it as a proxy for a social life who'd prefer to kill 200 easy mobs than 1 difficult one

>>713273935
They aren't going to change, they have been like this for the past 10 years.

>>713278760
high iq post casting pearls before swine

xiv hasn't (just) become a shitty live service because the content factory isn't big & fast enough, it's because everything other than autistic micro-opitmizing parsetrannery is a cheap, disposable one-time novelty that yields nothing once consumed, if at all

>>713278760
They had the opportunity to try it again with occult crescent and it still ended up with 1-5% damage boosts/mits and 30-60s cooldown abilities that don't do much
They've entirely given up any semblance of trying
I haven't even bought DT but that's what OC looks like to me

There's only so many ways you can have the boss do in/out/stack/spread until it gets tiring (which was already an issue back in ShB, when they started this trend)

>>713278017
>alexander, ozma, a vivi reference, and the prima vista divorced of all context are FF9's only interesting parts
bad anon

>>713277971
They know most won't quit, so why spend more than you have to?

>>713279048
Just because you can't imagine a good set of RPG systems it doesn't mean those don't exist. There are plenty of games where these choices actively change how a game is played and provide different strategies. It is specifically this mindset why FFXIV is so mediocre now. Naoki Yoshida develops this game for mediocre people like you.

>>713271591 (OP)
>do I make you randy, baby?

>>713279817
>landy
ftfy

Square's budgeting and management of its franchises and entities is truly baffling.
It's like they want all their successful things to fail.

>>713279961
They'll piss away hundreds of millions on games that immediately flop, on games that no one asked for but refuse to spend what is necessary for the games that make them money.
I don't understand them at all.

>>713279770
>i don't think its worth changing a game thats been successful for 10 years
>you are retarded

you know i'm fairly certain we've had this conversation before and you immediately went on a personal attack last time too. i don't think you're here in good faith and i will be ignoring you for the rest of the thread

>>713280173
You're complaining about the business strategy that created ff14, they did the exact same thing with ff11 and that funded 14.

>>713280173
If product makes money, why spend money on it? You can use that money to make more products that will make money(they won't)

>>713278760
I dont even think its anything to do with budgets. FFXVI is really dumbed down with no RPG systems and linear dungeons similar to XIV. And that game had a massive budget. Perhaps it's just CBU3 isn't actually that great at making video games?

>>713271591 (OP)
glad my protest on Wuklame had an affect. Dawntrail is the first expansion I've ever skipped and I will continue to skip until real life politics are out of the game.

>>713280173
It's an industry standard, this is not exclusive to Square or even the Japanese, this is a worldwide and constant thing, look at the TW series and the Hyenas disaster for a great example of it. The idea is that your current, successful products profits should be used to generate and finance new products so you can increase your profits. Maintaining and cultivating the current product that is already successful would be a stable approach, but it would have diminishing returns and in a world where the entire goal is to have big spikes so your stockholders can get a major increase in their value, you do not want stability.

Therefore once a product achieves a certain level of success it is doomed to stagnate and rot since no further investment will be made into it and instead all profits will go elsewhere, and the process will repeat if any of THOSE new projects succeed, as well. That's why there will never be a game or product in the current market that slowly gets better and improves over time, or even maintains the quality it started out with.

Damn it, wrong image. I present to you the amazing HYENAS, the game that was supposed to let CA stop making TW games altogether, purely financed by said TW games while all the content and new TW games that could've been made with the hundreds of millions wasted on it gone forever.

>>713271591 (OP)
jap austin powers

>>713281459
I just can't imagine being part of Square Enix and not being able to make a decent RPG. It's something that blows my mind in many different ways.

>>713273163
>pander to raidfags EXCLUSIVELY FOR AN ENTIRE PREVIOUS EXPANSION
>mmo dies
Tale as old as time.

>>713282481
Expedition 33 puts FF16 to shame. And it was made by a company with like 40 people lol

Here's your content, bro.

>>713281459
>Perhaps it's just CBU3 isn't actually that great at making video games?

Hit the nail on the head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSNaMfdmFCc

>>713282750
oh look it's all shit i wouldn't wear anyways, w/e *logs into occult crescent*

>>713282117
>sega, of all companies, cancelled it's own Concord before it ever came out

>>713282778
Reminder that this retard chooses to talk about Naoki Yoshida while joining the game in Endwalker and not having played FFXI. This is a purebred grifter.

>>713283407
>mouse over video
>clickbait pic
>dumb choice of think-piece in the first place
>recognize every screencap in the thumbnail from the folder-dumper
>mouse away from video
simple as

>>713273043
>The implementation of RPG systems are extremely cheap things to do.
morons when they think they know game design be like

>>713274819
the thing you gotta understand is that none of them actually care about whats good for the game, they will just say shit that sounds good to get views and then constantly complain about shit, it's all they do besides raiding, which some of them barely do anyways.

>>713273163
i hate this dude so much

>>713277971
Like 90% of the changes are done to accomodate the japanese fanbase and metafags who screech whenever something is slightly sub optimal by banning it entirely from groups.

>>713274001
I hope the deep dungeon is good.

>>713277971
Yoshida actually clarified it wasn't monetary cost, but 'development cost'. Real shit way to say you don't have enough time or manpower on a part of the game, I guess

>>713271591 (OP)
He wasn't talking about money, he was talking about manpower and it's something he's bitched about more than once.

>>713271591 (OP)
>We don't have enough money for development

Yet a single Korea random guy can fix the netcode of his game, doing it in such a way that even people on console can use the fix, it doesn't require any mods on the actual game. Really makes you think.

>>713282750
>glams and mounts and emotes are content if it suits my "waaah the shop" argument
>if it doesn't, nothing is content
Wow!

>>713283407
>>713283585
He makes some valid points about XIV and XVI being the same kind of slop because Yoshi-P is a bad one trick pony.
The same points that were brought up in this thread but of course since le youtube video bad you can't resist the need to turn into a retarded contrarian for 4chan points the moment it gets posted.

>>713276891
Agreed and even moreso now that it's common knowledge all ultimate raiders just fucking cheat anyway.

>>713283927
hope so too, eureka orthos was a wombo combo of shitty design and shitty rewards. my biggest fear is that the weaponry models will just be the butterfly patterned "king's" stuff from shadowbringers again and not something new in aesthetic, even if it's more generic knightly stuff from voeburt

"The simple answer on why we didn't have a normal and savage version is cost, I know this doesn't "matter" for a customer"

>>713284139
You won't get through to the mental midgets in this thread who reactively feel the need to defend their God and Saviour YoshiP. It's a cult of personality.

>>713273163

>>713283585
maybe folderkun is that youtuber

>>713284061
Manpower has nothing to do with being creatively bankrupt, these guys will never be able to create a game with decent gameplay even with a team of 1000.

>>713284139
sorry anon it starts off with the exact same shit bait as our resident folder dumper, he's tainted by association

there isn't any point you or the youtuber could ever make that would make me start agreeing with somebody that malds 24/7
>>713284343
honestly that was my first thought.

>>713272431
Based, mmofags deserve it
keep paying it

>the big boy xiv players got filtered
>by a fucking alliance raid
Sides-sundering keks. First M6S and now this.

does anyone happen to have that old mspaint parse comic?

>>713284348
Okay? That's irrelevant to the discussion though.

>>713284442
Yes, your post was indeed.

the real reason why they didn't do a normal mode for forked tower is because it would be wasted since CLL, DRN and Dalaria are all dead in the water, try and get people to actually do them, only reason people do DRN is to get relics, so they figured just make the harder version which actually do get engagement still, BA and DRS, and go from there, but they didn't account on how entitled the ffxiv players are on wanting things they'll do maybe once.

>>713284261
I do agree. I am fearful that the fae theme will kinda fall flat. But if the content's good I can at least swallow it, even if it isn't ideal.
I wish they'd make deep dungeons less sequestered. Do we really need the PoTD floor 50 clear to access it rule in place? I feel like they're making several forms of content and just kinda shrugging and saying, "If you wanna do it, seek it out," rather than integrating it properly.

>>713284516
What the fuck?
I responded to the OP which was talking about money. I corrected the OP. You are a retard.

>>713273163
This guy is a complete retard, i don't know how people can watch him. The bald streamer at least is a very cohesive person, and other ones like Rinon and Peri are too. Now Arthars on the other hand... He just speaks nonsense, and he talks so fast that it's hard to even understand what he is saying.

>>713284628
all i really know about him is he's a mega-shill for the mobile version of FFXIV

>>713284348
>want to do something cool
>have the budget
>dont have enough staff to implement and/or test it so it can completed in time for the deadline
>it gets canned

I'm frankly amazed they're even doing another Deep Dungeon after Eureka Orthos completely died off in a week for everyone but the hardcore DD players.

>>713284729
>he's a mega-shill for the mobile version of FFXIV
sasuga

>Resub
>people aren't as social as they were before
>if you aren't modding you're basically invisible to half of the playerbase
>player skill is at a new all time low
>If I don't DC travel to aether the PF is practically dead
>spend the next 30 minutes trying to get into Aether
this shit sucks

>>713271591 (OP)
when did he start referring to you trannies as 'customers'?

>>713284628
>i don't know how people can watch him.
they think it's funny seeing the SEA man spazz out like a monkey

>>713279662
Also Cruise Chaser.
Also Hades.
Also the concept of a world being cannibalized by another world is pretty much what ascians already were.
Also the entire theme of accepting you're death is closely adjacent to accepting the absurdity of life in EW.
Also Endsinger was pretty much just Necron as a cute bird girl.
Probably more too that I'm forgetting.

>>713284835
Instead of wanting people to clear content for you maybe you should get good and turn your mentor crown on a be the change you want to ser

>>713273643
>b-team
this is the most retarded cope ive ever seen about yoship. actual nigger tier

>>713273163
>>713273761
wow raiders being over reacting little babies? don't tell me it's so! never happened before!

>>713284835
I don't mod and I'm fine.
NA problem maybe.

>>713284856
>what yoshida says
we couldn't do it for cost, we know this doesn't seem like a good reason to you as the consumer
>what anon heard
TRANNIES

>>713284835
DC travel was a mistake.

>>713273761
I like to prog and clear the ultimates and other things like criterion and savage too, but the last thing that this game needs at the moment is more very hard content. Still can't believe that they decided to go with only a "savage" version of the new very big raid that came with the field operation.

>>713273761
>>713273163
raidtrannies crying about oppression after one patch of not being pandered to

>I am going to make a new tier for the alexander raids
>although the budget is low, lets do:
>boss with changing forms with zany adds, transformations for players, bombs you have to push around, and an overall charge meter to gauge
>4 mini boss gauntlet each with unique mechanics like hidden mines, stop the orbs phase while dodging chakrams, enumerations + ranged/melee adds, and element passing
>massive arena with sometimes spikes sometimes adds sometimes jails sometimes massive billiard balls always chaos
>brute justice

>I am dev #2 and I am going to make a new tier for pandaemonium
>half room cleaves/circle aoes/square aoes/memorize movement pattern
>proteans/stack/spread/avoid bad squares
>stack/spread/dodge but now in a triangle
>pairs/in/out/stack/spread and then half room cleaves with chemistry debuffs that just amount to touching/not touching others to let you stand in spots

>>713284835
yeah DC visiting really was a monkeys paw situation, it's great to have but it really did just make the other DCs dead.
the social and RP aspects got destroyed by dalamud and mare though, modbeasts started demanding you pair with them to load their 1.7gb worth of mods to see their character which just killed casual rp and all that's left is club life and erp with their own hilariously petty dramas.

>>713273163
>Retarded SEAmonkey has retarded take
Remember his money is directly tied to FF14 pumping out Hardcore content like the Ultimate and Savage raid. He doesn't care about the health of the game, but what is profitable for him.

>>713271591 (OP)

Sadly this is true though, despite the fact that FFXIV has been carrying Square-Enix for a decade through monthly subscriptions and all the merch they sell, they INSIST on giving the devs as little man power and budget as possible constantly.

You would think they would throw money at this. Instead they just told him he can go produce FFXVI instead.

>>713274819
yeah, but ultimates are the only time these streamers get any views and money

>>713285194
So what you're saying is we should not have any ultimates until this thing leaves?

>>713285191
I'm glad that some people and venues are starting to push back against the insane modbeasts with 8K textures that nobody can even really fucking see. A lot of synchsells are putting limits and making people read optimization guides.

>>713285034
>people not understanding yoshida
it's so common in the ffxiv community I seriously wonder if most of the players are not only illiterate but actually dropped as babies stupid.

>>713285317
No I didn't say that.

>>713273163
>literally all it takes is one less Ultimate for raidfags to start screeching about NO CONTENT
Holy kek

>>713285395
Damn.
Because it sounds like a good plan.

>>713285317
nta but yes, we shouldn't have ultimates and put that effort towards other aspects of the game, hell make those devs fix some old systems, majority of the playerbase were way more hyped about hrothgar and viera getting hats than getting another deep dungeon

I play mabi now.
Log in grind with friends while chatting
find silly new things
make a lot of cute outfits
try out all the weapon talents
get super into commerce

it's so fun and I love how small and intimate the world feels.

>>713285345
Part of it has to do with the amateur live translation done by a literal tranny (not /pol/ everyone is a tranny)
Which is still halfway Square's fault for not having live-translation during live letters, but the "misinformation" portion is down to the translators we do have just being dogshit.

>>713285326
>I'm glad that some people and venues are starting to push back against the insane modbeasts with 8K textures that nobody can even really fucking see.
I'm shocked even they have limits, but thats good for them.
>making people read optimization guides.
fucking lmao, this is hilarious because the ffxiv community famously cannot read.

>>713284991
I don't even have enough comms to become a mentor. It doesn't help mentors "burger king crowns" already have a negative reputation in this game. Most people tell new players if they join an FC "don't trust mentors xD" you're fighting against indoctrinated lemmings.
>>713285024
Must be an NA problem the fishing community seems to be the only decent thing left in this game.
>>713285191
>ERP
they don't' even do that good it's just model rigging at this point

>>713285539
I used to follow the Discord live translation as gospel but recently realized they leave A LOT of stuff out and don't really translate that well.

>>713285602
The guide shit is hilarious because it's the FFXIV RP/club community it is done in the most passive aggressive way possible

>>713285539
>>713285345
>>713285034
>seething trannies dilate and cant read
hes calling you trannies customers after a decade of referring to you as players. its so fucking over

>>713284593
You corrected nothing, because neither money nor manpower is the issue.

>You are a retard.
No, you are just projecting.

>>713285472
I am hyped about finally getting to fucking use hoods. Never expected that to happen.

>>713272431
>to fund their shit products that nobody buys
like ff14?

>>713285539
>Discord translators are literal tranny

>>713285539
>Part of it has to do with the amateur live translation
yeah I've seen them do a lot of errors they had to correct, but it still falls on the other people to have a critical eye and not take it as gospel.
>Which is still halfway Square's fault for not having live-translation during live letters
desu people choosing to misunderstand yoshida was still happening then, and I get why SE dropped it, those live letter would last for way too long because of it.
Kinda wish they'd release a translation faster, but since Yoshida is very freeform in how he talks and its not scripted it makes it harder.
>but the "misinformation" portion is down to the translators we do have just being dogshit.
yeah I don't disagree it's the biggest issue, but I do think many people in the ffxiv community are just genuinely dumb.

>>713285713
yoshida is a middle-aged japanese guy and i don't actually have a relationship with him, he can call me whatever he wants, i'm still the one paying him

>>713285713
I get mad that a game producer calls consumers consumers like you.

>>713285832
>desu people choosing to misunderstand yoshida was still happening then,
true
remember when zepla made the bigger fucking mountain out of island sanctuary
tried to sell it as the best feature ever that would make everyone cum in their pants while yoship was asking people to temper their expectations?
>yeah I don't disagree it's the biggest issue, but I do think many people in the ffxiv community are just genuinely dumb.
case in point: machinist AoE buffs that people cried about being nerfs because they can't read

>>713285702
>The guide shit is hilarious because it's the FFXIV RP/club community it is done in the most passive aggressive way possible
holy shit, I kinda want to read this it sounds hilarious

>>713284747
People have been making much better games than XIV with less than half the budget and staff.
Yoshi P and his team are just a bunch of untalented frauds who got lucky once, managing to trap a group of severely gullible retards into developing Stockholm syndrome for that piece of shit game, AKA the XIV community.
They now know they could literally shit directly into their mouths and these retards would gulp it down and ask for more as long as it's labeled XIV.

That's their only real feat.

>>713276710
your terms are acceptable

The funniest part about the raiders crybitching is that despite it all, Square STILL finds a way to try and throw them a bone with that hardmode deep dungeon boss.

>Can't add in a Normal difficulty setting for a raid because of 'Cost'

>Still fund the Primals live concerts
>Still fund all the in person events like the LA meet and greet next month
>Still fund the fanfests

If only they spent money on the actual game all these events are meant to promote instead.

>>713286446
Can't forget all the China pandering complete with their own Fanfest that absolutely shit on all the other ones.

State mandated Lalafell wives

>>713286446
They need to start doing it like ShB again and give us a bunch of content rather than nickel and diming us with the bare minimum slop.

>>713286636
we have *more* content lined up in this expac than shadowbringers did

Who will buy squeenix? Tencent? Snoy?

>>713286446
These events still have good value to promote their game and make a cool thing for the part of the community who spends more money than just paying the sub of the game. The real problem was prioritizing a savage version which a very little % of the playerbase will be able to do instead of making a version that many more people would engage with.

>>713286497
I do not envy the Chinese marketers having to try and sell them Dawntrail this time arpund.

>>713286852
Tencent is a possibility, but if not they are currently being targeted for buyout by an Activist group. This group owned 5% of SE in February, they now own over 10% and are looking to continue their ownership percentage.

>>713286692
No we don't. And what we got sucks dick
Everything spiralled down after ShB

>>713287069
What did we do to deserve this cursed ass timeline

I'm so tired of these long patches, we should be on 7.4 already

>>713287069
what kinds of activists

>>713284261
>eureka orthos was a wombo combo of shitty design and shitty rewards.
I was a month late to resub and when I tried to queue for this it took 30+ minutes. I was shocked it was dead within a month. Imagine if it took them 6 months to create this piece of content and it died so fast? Waste of time...

Also on the topic of Ultimates. I think they should just stop doing them and put their efforts elsewhere. They'd lose like what, maybe 1,000 angry Ultimate raiders? Not a huge number and it frees up way more time for other things.

>>713287435
Asset strippers.

>>713276710
Only if she's a hag trying to pass as young, with the outfit being too small and her belly poking out a little

>>713287435
the active ones

>figure i'll replay the game with all the nice new shiny textures
>login 7.25
>barely any of the textures have been redone yet
>some gear looks super detailed
>most other pieces still look like they're smudged in vaseline

wtf? How long does it take to upscale some fucking textures? Am I gonna have to wait for 8.0 before they finish this shit?

>>713287492
They should make people be able to enter any deep dungeon without completing any other first.
And add a deep dungeon roulette.

>>713275742
anti-cheat/actually checking & banning for modding and the game probably dies

>>713287281
All part of the plane to force you to play Chinese games.
Make western-aligned games gay
While making eastern aligned games based

>>713287728
please understand they had to pander to foot fetishists first

>>713287069
>one of their members is literally called Nippon Steel
Fucking kek'd

>>713282824
I just got done leveling all the jobs, now I just need to start clearing FT so I can get upgrade mates for my two sets

>>713287728
>he actually thinks they'll update everything
viera and hrothgar were added 6years ago and still don't have all the old hats and shit available, hell I'm pretty sure they still add new hats they can't use

>>713287728
>8.0
Hahahaha wishful thinking. Viera and Hrothgar are barely getting expanded headgear 6 years later.

>>713287728
I dunno. They've been kinda opaque about it, but they have been updating zones, NPCs and gear. Gear is the slowst of the bunch I reckon, but that which they update is broadly nice.
(Fucking love post-7.2 Drachen)

>>713287492
Ultimates Having that extreme difficulty content is good for the community, not because anyone does them but as a spectator event. It sounds stupid, but it does build something like a community event for people to watch.
That said, it's stupid to expect it for 7.3. Ultimates should be released at 7.1 and 7.5 if they're going to do 2.

>>713271591 (OP)
C'est fini...

>>713283589
Relative to asset creation, sound production, cinematics, server infrastructure? Yes, extremely cheap. You can find thousands of indie games with a fraction of XIV's budget and hundreds of times more ideas, systems, and gameplay mechanics.
>morons when they think they know what game development be like

>>713275742
people who play dress up all day and chat in limsa while their party finder for security for their harry potter esque magical academy rp never fills

yes, that's the game now

>>713284029
It sucks extra hard when you take into consideration the glacial patch cadence with no "good" excuse like unprecedented global lockdown and the fact that the thing they simply couldn't do is REMOVE content from a fight

>>713288282
Honestly, if he's just clear about it, it shouldn't be a problem.
Even now, we don't know if 7.5 will have an ultimate, though. We just know they are working on the next ultimate. The lack of clarity breeds uncertainty.
t. person who doesn't do or care about ultimates

>>713276771
The phrasing was actually that an easy mode Forked Tower wasn't done because the budgeting of time for everything else didn't allow for it. It's just everyone interpreted literally as "money", and this is where we are. So yeah.

Do you think they really need more money?
Like look at this expansion
>Crafter zone
>Relics zone
>Deep Dungeon
>Hildi
>Voice Acting raids
>Variant Dungeons
>Chaotic Alliance Raid
>Beastmaster
>Blue Update
>2 Ultimates
What do you want more budget for? because what I see is they don't know what to do with the game anymore and they are just using old ideas, a bigger budget will you give an extra dungeon and that's all
This game needs a totally overhaul of content, look what is coming to 7.3 and you will see the exact same things for 4.3

>>713289679
>asset flips
>palette swaps

the crafter "relics" even give you the materials for free now

fucking dead game

>>713289679
Only thing I can say is they could've crammed a variant and criterion into 7.3 somewhere.

>>713289679
>actually good stuff but will just be the same zone 3-4 times with different paint
>could not have been handled worse
>dunno yet
>actually a good and interesting hildy arc so far
>who cares
>standard dungeon but with 2 extra hallways and 2 extra bosses
>extreme trial with 24 people. exactly what people asked for, but people don't understand what they were asking for
>dunno what that is yet
>one interesting puzzle fight and maybe 2 new spells to add to the super combo, BLU isn't even the best at soloing low level shit
>ozma's off time

>>713289679
It's a mix of missing manpower to clear technical and content debt and a mix of leadership (both Yoshida and SE) that has clearly given up and no longer cares.
SE just wants to make their monthly mobage that goes into EoS six month later and Yoshida just wants to do what he joined SE for; work on Dragon Quest (so he can ruin that too).

>>713289679
Expansion looks crazy backloaded if they don't end up cutting anything.
I'm also curious about trials. Since we don't have a trial series and Dawntrail ends in 7.3, so that means 7.4 and 7.5 are kinda wildcard trials in terms of story.
(Please god no Hildibrand trials)

>>713289937
no one gives a fuck about those and like two people got the exquisite weapons

>>713289679
Describe what kind of content you'd like to see appear in XIV. You say you want an overhaul, and while I don't think they need a total overhaul of everything, I do think that their list of content is a bit stale for a very specific reason. Every piece of content is static, everything always goes the same way
However, I'm curious what YOU specifically want to see in content.

>>713271591 (OP)
With cost he wasn't talking about money but time and people working on the game.
Pretty obvious when they are posting "we are hiring!" slides in the last Liveletters. They are pretty desperate to get more people working on the game.
The skeleton crew meme is very real.

>>713290206
.5 patches tend to have 2 trials in them, usually 1 for hildy. and Asura is a fantastic normal trial, if not a bit too Endwalkery

>>713290310
Do you think lack of staff is not budgetary

>>713290319
Yeah, okay, if it's a bonus trial, I'll take it.

>>713290310
Aw shit, I missed the hiring thing. Can you post the slides or what requirements/positions they're looking for?

>>713289679
>Voice acting raids
That's a lie, they don't voice act the raid storylines

>Chaotic
Waste of time I agree

>Crafter Zone
>Relics Zone
Lad....

>Variant Dungeons
They're not here yet

>Beastmaster
Not here until 7.55

>Blue Update
Same as Beastmaster
>2 Ultimates
Yeah these can be cut out

>Hildi
This can be cut as well

I want more money for difficult options, more voice acting in the story, a better story so more money for that, better animations, better quest design, better combat encounters.

>>713290393
not really, the game can have money thrown at it all day every day but if nobody gets hired as a result of it it doesn't matter how big the budget is

>>713290206
>Expansion looks crazy backloaded if they don't end up cutting anything.
Oh my sweet summer child. This is the same pattern from StB when they initially went "emergency 1 dungeon per patch only for a bit" which then became permanent.
Both 7.4 and 7.5 will just be wet farts and at this point it's not even clear if Ultimate will release on 7.5.

>>713290393
hiring appropriate talent does take effort, as does teaching them how to do their job

but that takes months. why start now?!

>>713290393
Not necessarily. They've been hiring for a while. Practically every LL has an added slide with "WORK FOR US THIS IS HOW YOU APPLY" on it.

>>713290458
>Cutting Hildy
Fuck outta here. Hildi is premium content.

>>713290448

>>713290448

>>713290465
>lists ultimate as a content piece like anybody gives a shit about it
should have went with concern trolling over beastmaster

>>713290310
>They are pretty desperate to get more people working on the game.
I remember when the Flopspoken team got interviewed as part of another video and all of them were bright-eyed rookies that joined SE either because of Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest.
Allegedly all those rookies were laid off and not moved. So SE is reaping what they sowed.

I 'member when we used to get 3 dungeons a patch

>>713290757
i 'member my eyes rolling back into my skull if i got "the bad one" in expert roulette desu

>>713290723
beastmaster is getting cut from dt and when they add it in the next expansion it'll just be reskinned blue mage

>>713290310
>With cost he wasn't talking about cost
You're so full of shit people like you who don't like reality so you need to twist words into trying to fit some subjective state of existence, you're weirdo fucks who live each day a lie. Lying is not a good thing so stop doing it.

>>713290607
Things must be dire in terms of staff if they are doing this.

>>713290829
there you go, lead in with that

>>713290757
Back when we had no other content?

>>713290828
they still have bad ones.. except now they stay in the roulette for ages

>>713289875
not like previous crafter relics were ever difficult to acquire. i'd take a more difficult synth over needing a primary gil investment step

>>713290607
>>713290612
>Hiring is not for CBU3 and instead for SQUEENIX instead
I can't apply anyways, but even if I could I dunno if I'd trust getting put on the XIV team

>>713290393
why would you want work on ffxiv instead of industry standard unity and unreal slop

>>713290934
i wish expert roulette kept more dungeons in it than just the current one and the previous one
other than strayborough

>>713290829
idk about cut from dt (but i wouldn't be surprised at all) but it is definitely just a recycled blu

add variant dungeon and deep dungeon roulette

>>713291037
can anyone answer the question

>why does expert roulette not include all dungeons at that level

I wonder what would happen if Square banned Dalamud or anyone who uses mods

>>713290962
original crafter stuff made you literally craft practically everything in the game dipshit

that is a crafter

>>713291226
ah haha.. they don't care about modders or cheaters lol

unless you literally broadcast on twitch and get a small vacation from the game
lmao

>>713291229
>need X material and Y material to craft
>how do i get X and Y material
>scrips
>how do i get scrips
>(this is where you think really fucking hard)

>>713291226
enormous depopulation of the game
not because of the actual number of people using mods, but because of what a hilarious breach of trust that is for literally no return

>>713291226
The game would die overnight.

>>713291159
Probably because the mentally ill asylum rejects will screech before immediately abandoning the instance if they don't roll the ones from X.0 that get immediately flattened by iLvl creep.

>>713291314
idiot. the original crafter special made you craft everything in the game including housing this was before scrips

they should never have scrapped it

the game is going in the right direction but the content feed is slow. patch cycles should be 4 months maximum

>>713291226
XIV is legitimately second life. Banning ERP faggots and modbeasts is equivalent of slicing your wrists

>>713277971
I just don't think that they know how to design engaging content that isn't team jumprope anymore.

>>713291545
*laughs in M6S adds*

>>713291545
they just don't care. look at the gold saucer neglect they just do. not. care.

>>713291226
They sent a Cease and Desist to the Player Scope guy that made him shit his tiny kecks and take down his plugin along with all resources (doesn't matter as it's been forked already) so if SE wanted to they could stop Dalamud, they just prefer to pretend it doesn't exist.

>>713271591 (OP)
What a pathetic fucking company. 16 sucked ass and they're too stupid to realize where they went wrong at all.

>>713291426
Isn't it way quicker than ShB and Endwalker?

>>713291226
last time i was playing Mare frequently had more active users online than steam... I know steams not the majority of pc users but mare has much lower total DL count than a lot of the base dalamud stuff. also the xivlauncher used to get recommended a lot just to use as a replacement to the standard launcher since it sucks

>>713273163
Fucking retarded ass fart sniffers complaining after getting their usual Savages, a brand new 24 man Savage, fucking BA 2.0, and their damn dyke Ultimate.

All for content that less than 0.1% of the playerbase actually likes doing without cheating.

Meanwhile, the rest of get the worst MSQ ever, fucking crafter grind bullshit, and the worst exploratory content yet.

These fucks quiting the game (or killing themselves) would be the best thing that could happen in Dawntrail.

>>713290465
>StB
Found the tourist. Fuck off from my game.

>>713291426
It was on paper, before DT's launch they put up the biggest list of content of any expansion thus far. Up until this latest patch the only real issue was the pacing and scheduling, the actual content has been really well made and we even got a surprise chaotic raid along the way. Now? It's going in the wrong direction. The Field Op was lazily made and is missing a lot of features and the raid within it was so poorly made ON PURPOSE that it raises a lot of very serious questions about the dev team. Going forward we still have no idea when criterion dungeon(s) are happening, BST hasn't been mentioned, and BLU is somewhere out there.

Oh yeah and no ultimate because....

>>713291617
It kills me that they refuse to make proper use of the gold saucer, it's the perfect place for them to dump casual content and they totally ignore it.

>>713291828
^5

>>713291934
I will get everyone to start using StB and you cannot stop me.

>>713291952
they don't ignore it! every two years they add something that costs 1,500 mgp!

Still doing OC despite people being filtered by an alliance raid tho.

It's amazing how this game can list like 10 things that are coming next patch and think "wow, there's literally nothing to do".
They need better rewards for everything in general.

>>713271591 (OP)
It's not just the game, even the quality of the excuses is declining

Again and again the issue is not that there's no content it's that it's boring, unengaging and doesn't really come to form a cohesive, interesting whole. You have to be some kind of mental retard to actively choose to spend your time on something like grinding fishing in FFXIV or farming another useless progress bar in Occult Crescent that at best is gonna give you some shitty weapon skin that's indistinct from hundred others they already added. Where's RPG elements? Where's stuff to do with other people and your friends? XIV is really just a smelly corpse of a themepark MMO concept, so when they don't put new rides in, people mald! It's that simple. The entire format is fucked! And Yoshinigger being the lying suit that he is, promised the world with Dawntrail only to, completely expectedly, underdeliver, and his hype men Xenosys Vex and Arthars did not help the situation.

Still though, cost or not, it took them six years to fix Viera heads and it takes them over a year to add a worse version of chat bubbles than what you can do with plugins, even if it wasn't about the format, the dev team is obviously checked out.

This guy gets more threads than other jrpgs, shows how cucked jrpgfags are compared to WRPGchads

>>713290458
>That's a lie, they don't voice act the raid storylines
You don't play the game.

>>713273163
The game would improve if they just stopped making ultimates.
UCOB was the only one who didn't have some cheating scandal.

>>713292169
it's why orthos flopped they didn't give it any cool rewards they just cheaped the fuck out again

>>713292265
>Where's RPG elements? Where's stuff to do with other people and your friends?
This is pretty much the reason I quit it and play on FFXI private servers. Spoke to more people and done more things that involve teamwork in 2 weeks than I did in a year of XIV. Oh and the jobs are actually varied and interesting, unlike XIVs copy/paste job system

>>713271591 (OP)
>NOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T MAKE A TURN BASED RPG ANYMORE BECAUSE...
>I CAN'T MAKE IT LIKE GAME OF THRONES

>>713292265
>the dev team is obviously checked out.
Judging by >>713290612 I don't believe the dev team even exists anymore. Yeah, they still have most of the grunt workers, but it seems that anyone competent within SE simply doesn't want to touch the game.
So even if they fill those advertised slots, what could the new outside hires even design with the decrepit corpse of FFXIV?
The game is rotten inside with technical debt, bad design choices and reckless negligence and they need to send it off like what they did with FFXI back then.

>>713291617
Why did they remove most of the special events in the Saucer? All I see is literally that shitty jumping puzzle or Yojimbo.

>>713286636
>They need to start doing it like ShB again and give us a bunch of content
ShB had less content than DT, you're talking out of your ass if you think it had more, it didn't even have a Deep Dungeon.

XIV should have ended after 6.0. Now it's just faeces or a giant enema

>>713292674
Friendly reminder that people who didn't catch on that Yoshida is actually retarded with picrel are just as retarded as him.
It is actually impressive how he can be so confidently wrong and conceited.

>>713292939
They removed the copycat game because they would have had to fit in the new races and they just didn't want to. No idea why they removed the Turks vase carrying game or the spot the difference game.

>>713292980
No we should've went to the New World alone and met all knew characters and people. Dragging the Scions along was a mistake.

>>713292706
They should just start sunsetting XIV similar to XI and make a new MMO with modern coding. XIV is now just as old as XI was when they started to market XIV.

>>713292585
>>713292169
Reward structure and by extension replayability are a big problem with their content design mindset. Hell they actually said the rewards in OC were set that way by design, how fucking silly is that.

>>713292939
the saucer competes with the cash shop so they don't want to give it a lot of not-pay-to-win rewards (same with free company subs/ships which haven't been updated in forever)

Damn bros.. I thought XIV was making so much money it was carrying Square Enix? Why did the devs run out of cash...

>>713293047
He is the cult leader. The cult will have traits akin to his, obviously.

>>713293060
>they just didn't want to.
What kind of excuse is this lmao

>>713293076
XI was around 8 years old when XIV came about, XIV is currently 15 years old

barry... won?

>>713287492
first time doing a foray? they are all like this, lots of people do them at launch, the turbo autist neets nolife it until they're done and then complain they sped through it super fast, meanwhile anyone with an actual life take it slow and easy.

>>713293047
This was a bad translation though.

The writing was on the wall for this game

>>713293047
>Japanese text is structure like a simple question and answer
>Localized text is passive-aggressive for no reason

>>713293187
>XIV is currently 15 years old
Wtf its ancient holy shit. I thought it was like max 10

>>713293076
I fully agree. At this point they're burning both money and time on a sinking ship. Much more efficient to give it .X-esque patches and start working on a successor ASAP.
Though with how SE operates, the successor would just be a mobage gacha...

>>713293205
Don't forget that he is now mainly responsible for the story and once ran a theatre that went bankrupt because of him.

>>713292465
>They voice acted the raid in Prae at the very end with Elidibus so that means they voice entire the raid stories
You're such a disingenuous cock sucker.

>>713293101

FFXIV funnels money for Square-Enix into other projects of their own. The support for Endwalker was fucking abysmal, yet just the year after FFXVI releases with gorgeous graphics and a development schedule that wasn't 9 years like a Nomura product.

>>713292169
I used to replay the same things with different jobs but now all those feel too similar

Remember when Yoshida said he wanted to keep this game going for another 10 years?

>>713292957
Who cares about a deep dungeon? That's shit one and done content.
ShB did it right, and EW and DT did not. Each expansion after ShB has been worse than the last and 8.0 will probably be worse than DT too.

xiv hater stop thinking about buttholes challenge

>>713293369
Yeah, it's not even really fun to level or play alternate jobs since both the jobs and content plays basically the exact same way every time.

>>713293275
Well I'm being a little extreme by counting the 1.0 release, but you get the idea.

In reality they killed off XI too early, and while XIV is a bit older at this point it would still be too early to move on from XIV considering it's popularity came about fairly late into it's lifespan, in ShB/ EW

>more content releasing
>less player engagement
Surely this will end well

>>713293398
Yes? And he probably will. Why?

>>713293197
>>713293213
While the translation definitely sounds more passive aggressive, the japanese still goes "Of course there are RPG elements!". And even then, despite the polite speech it still comes off as pretty stand-offish in japanese.
It does not excuse the fact that he thinks FFXVI has RPG elements.

>>713293415
>"I WANT CONTENT"
>SE gives content
>"NOT THAT CONTENT NOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT"
actual baby brain

>>713293398
Well if they keep phoning it in they can, doubt it costs much to put out this shit content

>>713293398
At this rate I think 8.0 will be the last expansion.
They're already admitting to cost cutting right now for simple features, if they don't pull their finger out and start impressing people then 8.0 is the last big expansion FFXIV will see.
I don't mean the game will do but it'll get the FF11 treatment smaller patches, maint mode, spread out over years.

>>713292385
They obviously love ff14

>>713293398
The more I look at it, the more the game's trajectory is starting to resemble what happened with PSO2. It may well be truly fucked

>>713293345
What anon said:
>voice acted raids
What you slid the goalposts to:
>THEY VOICE ACTED EVERY CUTSCENE FOR EVERY RAID STORYLINE
If you played the game you'd know that both the FFXI raid and Arcadion have had fully voiced fights, which is not something we've ever had before. Previously only Orbonne was fully voiced.

>>713293467
>In reality they killed off XI too early
XI was fucking dead by the time of 1.0's release, it died the day WoW released and everyone instead went to it instead of playing a clunky badly tutorialized mmo. FFXIV unlike XI has actually been successful.

>>713293398
XI is still going with tiny content updates. They will do the same for XIV

>>713271591 (OP)
>daily wowtroon/bazzy seethe thread

>>713293520
Not to mention WoW is giving the players housing without a demo timer. If anything we'll see an even bigger player exodus early next year. Then people will come back to check out 8.0 only to disappointed leaving permanently, and then patch cycle will go from 4 months to 5 months, with the same amount of content or even less.

>>713293498
Yeah. Deep dungeons aren't content.

>>713293628
It did not and the sub numbers show that WoW releasing did not even nudge the XI playerbase.

FFXI, until XIV passed it in late ShB/EW, was SE's most profitable title of all time.

>>713293628
>clunky badly tutorialized mmo.
XI is more of an MMO than WoW ever hoped to be, regardless of subscriber count. If anything WoW started the downfall of MMOs like EQ and FFXI by streamlining things to make them more accessible.

>>713293345
>calling anyone else disingenuous when you had to try and change anon's initial claim in the first place because you couldn't argue against what he actually said
What did he mean by this?

>>713293494
FFXVI has RPG elements, yes they're not deep but neither are most RPG elements in most FF games, it has always been a series that has been light on the actual numbers part of RPGs. Anyways its been what 2 years? stop being autistic that a FF game is different.

Somehow FFXIV is now almost in the same situation as WoW with Shadowlands and if WUK LAMAT DOESN'T FINALLY DIE I'LL FUCK YOSHI-P

>>713293608
Ok because you want an argument here and I can't be bothered with going back and forth with a retard.
He said they voice act the raids, that implies the raid story not only the fights.
They do voice act the raid fights they don't voice act the raid story.
They should voice act the raid story.

>>713293750
No one is playing WoW for housing anon. Every MMO has housing, WoW getting a feature that every other MMO since the dawn of the genre has had is not noteworthy. I know the concept of housing is new to WoW players but it is not new to MMO players.

Someone post the howdy neighbor, go fuck yourself image for me.

>>713293520
>he actually believes this

>>713293769
>It did not and the sub numbers show that WoW releasing did not even nudge the XI playerbase.
me when I'm lying
>>713293782
>uh nuh this older mmo I don't play is more mmo than this other mmo
imagine being this much of a faggot

>>713293880
>He said they voice act the raids, that implies the raid story not only the fights.
No, it doesn't imply that at all. That's what you had to pretend he meant because you couldn't play white knight without doing so.

>>713293838
>that has been light on the actual numbers part of RPGs
FF7 gave you so much freedom you could make builds that would one shot the Ruby Weapon. Similarly, if you grind hard in Expedition 33 you can one shot all the hardest bosses too.

XVI has nothing in it that is RPG-like

>>713271591 (OP)
what's the exact quote and where was it said?

>>713293838
>FFXVI has RPG elements
It literally does not. Not a single one.

>>713293838
>Anyways its been what 2 years? stop being autistic that a FF game is different.
I actually want FF to be different. To me FF is a cutting edge, "next gen", JRPG series. They haven't been for a while now.
FFXVI has no RPG elements and Yoshida (and you) defending it just makes you both equal retards.

>>713293765
Deep Dungeons are actually really cool but that alone isn't worth resubbing for.

>>713293973
>me when I'm lying

You have the internet at your disposal, type it into your search bar and hit enter.

For what it's worth you are doing a poor job of hiding that you are a WoW addicted shitposter who has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to the MMO genre or games made before he was born (in 2008).

>>713293973
>imagine being this much of a faggot
I can tell you're 15 years old buddy. I wouldn't expect a child to know anything about actual MMOs like EQ/FFXI/Ultima. You only know about WoW (which is garbage) and FFXIV which after 1.0 was made to be WoW-lite.

don't want to go to light to PF, parties don't fill on chaos, cross dc pf years away, that's what killed my motivation, it's stupid but it's fucking annoying
>"just go to light"
>parties full of travelers

>>713293993
wow one FF game and one french made game thats unrelated to discussion, you really can't grab more examples from FF? again stop being autistic that a FF game is different.
>>713294073
you too.
>>713294075
>I actually want FF to be different.
you clearly don't.

>>713293863
>FFXIV is now almost in the same situation as WoW with Shadowlands

They need to cut ultimates and savage and just pump out tons of extremes and slightly harder 24-mans. No one plays ultimates and not enough people play savage. Autistic raidtards can't keep this game alive at the freefall it's currently in.
>But the ultimates/savage teams are separate and not responsible for normal/extremes!!!
And? They won't be separate when ultimates are cut

>>713293973
Nobody in FFXI moved to WoW, we considered it a casualized baby game and did nothing but laugh at it. You can find the sub numbers that prove it too.

>>713294130
>muh actual mmos
you've never touched EQ XI or ultima in your whole life.
>>713294213
man we like lying today

>>713287952
how long did this take you?

>>713294172
>No party to choose from
>No equipment besides equipping swords
>No skills/abilities to level
I-its still and RPG guys!!! God you're straight up retarded. Tell me what RPG elements it has.

>>713294172
I'm not mad that an FF game is different, I'm mad that it's shit. And that it's not an RPG at all. Thanks for your concession though.

They should've just nuked the sandbox again and made XIV 3.0 (despite HW being 3.0)
Now XIV is just stuck forever in this messy period where it's big massive storyline has finished and now no one's that interested in any of their new shit because the old shit's still there to remind them how much better it was.

>>713294189
we do a little trolling

guys, is it truly over?

>>713294213
ackshually they did. the freedom of movement, the more engaging combat (lol) and the feeling that the devs actually played their game

things have changed a lot since 2005 though

>>713293894
This is absolute cope

One thing I don't get is that they subdivide all their players and their interests in little corners. Why not make it so that the average player is drawn towards deep dungeons as well? Or is incentivized to try them the same way they would be with regular dungeons.
There's too much "m-maybe you can try t.. this too..." mentality. Just push it right in players' faces.

>>713271591 (OP)
>can't even hotfix a normal mode and a queue system for the existing content
>maybe in 7.3 the next one will have a normal mode and be queueable
It's really getting embarrassing at this point

>>713293863
I'd say it's in worse because that was almost 20 years into WoW's life cycle after multiple bad expansions whereas FFXIV is 13/14 years and this damaged reputation to the game is from a single expansion.

>>713293919
Screen cap my post and repost it if 8.0 flops. Time will prove I'm right.

>>713294213
People don't remember, are too young to have been there, or mentally block out the fact that when WoW released it was the most casual MMO that had ever existed. It was quite literally the Fortnite of MMOs.

>>713294259
Sorry that FFXIV was your first MMO dude. Must suck having missed the actual golden era of MMORPGs to get a single player game like XIV eh?

>>713294376
you're talking to a wowfag dumbass

>>713294193
cutting savage is just dumb, yes raidtards are dumb but raids are part of what keeps the game going and keeps them subbed, also adding more extremes does nothing because most of the playerbase don't even touch them anyways, you know what the playerbase actually liked? Hrothgar and Viera hats, and bangs for hoods, they're unironically what most people talk about.

>>713294315
It's a fact, go ahead and name 10 MMOs, yeah they all have housing. The literal first MMORPG ever created was based around housing.

You guys should shelve the WoW comparisons until Yoshida has Japanese government agents working as CEOs and legal experts in his company.

You know.

Like Actiblizzard does.

>>713294413
Your mother is a wowfag

>>713271591 (OP)
>American fans complain
silence
>Japanese fans complain
half of an entire live letter dedicated to dogeza and apologies, instant promise of change not even a month after the content is released
Why are they like this?

>>713294326
>It was quite literally the Fortnite of MMOs.
still is

>>713294472
as an american i'm glad they aren't bowing to western pressure

its too bad that they did already and the game is worse for it.

>>713294432
Not him but 20 year old MMOs have chat bubbles lol. Yoshida dick riders are genuinely pathetic

How did World of Warcraft win so decisively ?

>>713294193
They'll never do that, they made in the same year chaotic alliance raid (probably the literal opposite of what you said, and dead in months) and FT...
Next patch is the new deep dungeon, made for 10 people (still require 50th floor of PotD btw). They could have just skipped (and make something else) that by making OC level jobs, but they didn't.

My pussy bitch yoshi pee xDDDD

>>713294319
>>maybe in 7.3 the next one will have a normal mode and be queueable
>the next one will have a normal mode
>7.3
hahahahaha
next one is in 7.55

>>713294268
RPGs are such a wide spectrum and yes those are RPG parts, and yes FFXVI is shallow in these aspects because it wanted to focus more on the action part.
stop being so autistic that a FF game is different.
>>713294285
>I'm not mad that an FF game is different
yes you are, but either way either things is a retarded thing to be mad at.

Don't mind me just hanging out in my player house in a MMO that came out in 2002 and was played on a Playstation 2.

>>713294594
By embracing tolerance and mercy.

>>713288334
Good image

>>713294594
being easy to get into, running on toasters and being from what blizzard was the undisputed gold standard of vidya

>>713294472
Jap companies only care about the Jap playerbase. Same thing happened with XI.

>>713273163
i hope arthars dies
2 ultimates per expansion is fine, 7.5 is even better because there's no shit to do or any incentive to do the last tier of savage if the only reward is a mount and weapons that get outclassed by relics
in fact, if dt were to have 1 ultimate that'd be ok too, there's chaotic, forked tower, new dd coming and i wish occult got more updates than what we'll get
>>713292487
>ucob
you mean the fight that everyone agreed to use the tts calling out nael's rp quote mechanics?
let me tell you something, back then it was ok, it was the hardest fight, the people that cleared ucob tried to gatekeep ultimates from the general public and that's why there was no scandal, right now it's like "do it legit or you didn't clear it at all also if you used pct in fru you didn't clear and also if you don't clear in the first 2 weeks you didn't clear" but back then nobody gave a shit, there's this false valor and pride on clearing ultimates when all they take is time

>>713294574
If you keep moving the goalposts you never have to admit you are wrong and act like an adult.

YOU!
I played for a solid month, almost 2, of content but man oh man is this game a shadow of it's former self. I'm modding in fetish content now to fill the void between subs. I really wish this company was smarter, they were my favorites when i was a child. They even botched FFT somehow.

>>713294376
big words for someone that never actually played any of the mmos he claims to be the "golden era"
>>713294413
no I'm not some autist going tribal over mmos like him.

>>713294594
Those Bush presidency staffers using Actibliz as a money laundering facility might've had something to do with it. Your cut is in the mail, anon

>>713294594
By staying the course.
And being an overall better coded game.
FFXIV had an abysmal xpac MSQ which was the MAIN thing saving the game from other criticisms. Now everyone is taking off the rose-tinted glasses and seeing the game for what it truly is.

>>713294614
I don't know why they fucking insist on making content only 20% of people play instead of just making normal mode raids four tiers longer and adding more 24-mans. It's so retarded
>But what will the hardcore players do!??
Who cares.

XIV: circling the drain
XVI: pure mid and a flop
FFT remaster: more like a demaster
CBU3 used to have this superstar dev team aura. now they have the midas touch of shit. what happened?

>>713294721
Suck my cock Yoshi dickrider. Keep simping for the billion dollar company though

>>713294749
Anon we know what you are, you do a poor job of hiding it and all your posts are the same.

>>713294631
Yeah I mixed it up I think they're letting you pre-form a 48 player party for the existing Forked Tower content in 7.3. Regardless that it's going to take two months to enable that feature is still really sad.

ah, it's folder-dumpy shilling for wow and crying about yoshida, i see

>>713294309
Cocoli you personally moved to WoW I'm sure, because you hate video games and just want the most streamlined, casual path to attention possible, but the vast majority of FFXI players did not consider WoW anything but baby game garbage.

>>713294743
How come you always show up and then the image spam schizo shows up?

>>713271591 (OP)
I dont get it

what went wrong now?

>>713293047
He was cosmically punished with BG3 selling tens of millions of copies + GOTY, meanwhile everyone stopped talking about his A”””””RPG””””” that took 8 years to make after a month. Just completely destroyed his theory of the consumer base. All his retarded 2007 game journo nonsense about turn based being archaic just objectively proven wrong.

>>713294841
The thread was nice and somewhat sensible for a while.

>Friend told me that Yoshi P finally apologized for the quality of content
>Check to see if true
>He apologized for quality of SERVICE from all the emergency maintenances
>He didnt apologize for Dawntrail being shit
>He didnt apologize for post-Endwalker being shit
This guy is STILL massively out of touch

>>713294875
nothing new, the game just continues to spiral down the toilet bowl due to grievous mismanagement and technical debt. same old same old

>>713294848
i remember my dynamis shell at the time falling apart because 1/3 of the players disappeared to wow

just as i was next in line for clerics pantaloons too. FUCK

>>713294795
I'm not talking about FFXIV at all though? I'm speaking directly to you, the retard who has only played WoW, who is claiming people are going to mass exodus from every other game to head to WoW because it's adding housing.

Housing is and always has been a baseline feature within the MMO genre, WoW hasn't had it for 21 years and that's not something to be proud of.

>>713294594

>>713294915
prease undastando bery bery smarr team prease pray occort curesento desu....

>>713294875
same old yoshida/xiv seethe thread you get every day (read: 5 times a day every day)

>>713294432
So what you're saying is housing is a popular feature, and with WoW getting housing that doesn't auto-demo it'll only boost it's popularity.
Got it! Thanks!

>>713294594
Cause despite how much people give WoW, when the WoW devs fuck up, they know they actually have to fix shit and put in effort to try and get people back.
The problem is the WoW team always gets cocky and it takes one awful humbling to fix their shit, for the cycle to continue again.
XIV's current team has never had to suffer an actual humbling until Yawntrail

>XVI is an RPG

>>713294915
good to see that NOTHING has changed kek

>>713294841
>>713294905
He's going to autosage the thread in a few minutes, like clockwork.

>>713292487
yes and no, the game would no doubt survive without ultimates as most players do not do them, but at the same time it is good giving the raid autists a bone to keep them subbed, and one of ffxiv's strengths is how it builds minicommunities around older evergreen content, like ultimates, eureka / BA, deep dungeons and even Fishing, so removing that does remove that and if we only get one thats fine.

Honestly I think the biggest issue with ultimates is how the old ones are so absurdly easy now, the numbers are just crushing them.

>it has the bare minimum of a genre so it has to be that genre!!!
ffxiv is a racing game because you can ride mounts

>>713295036
He STILL hasn't told us what these so-called RPG elements were, to THIS DAY

>>713295009
it almost always turns into plugging worlo warcar and seething mindlessly about yoshida. for some reason. i can't be sure why that is but there's something to it. somebody who seethes mindlessly about yoshida, praises his competitors and attacks his projects............................

wowfags back to your own threads we are having a discussion here

>>713295091
>it has the bare minimum of an argument so it has to be an argument

>>713294989
I don't even like WoW you retard.

>>713295073
>>713294841
>>713294905
Did you notice that it's when >>713294743 shows up and has been going on in the threads since he showed up too?

>>713295018
I'm sure it'll be popular among WoW players but people who play other MMOs, or other games in general, have no reason to be interested in it because it's something they already have, and have a better version of.

>>713294825
>Anon we know what you are
then say it, not like you're gonna try and pretend you've ever played those old mmos, you probably barely even play ffxiv.

>>713294315
Not really. People who act like housing in MMOs matters are usually RPfags, a tiny minority. Most people shrug, get a house, and never touch it again

>>713295197
>gooner
Unsurprising.

>>713294319
>Q. Please make it so your GP is fully restored after finishing gatherer missions [on the moon]
>A. This is another feature that should have been in from the start, but for some reason we didn't do it or overlooked it
it's beyond embarrassing
people were complaining about this week 1; the short mission timers too
addressing this shit in a live letter months later is fucked up

>>713294594
It is mind-boggling to me how to this day World of Warcraft is the only MMO that controls and plays perfectly fluid. You'd think it wouldn't be that hard to get right.

>>713295154
i accept your concession

Why do FF14 players hate WoW so much? There's not many MMOs left

ahahahahaha!!! FUCK my ugly lil bitch yoshitta aka yoshit piss LMFAO everything that guy make is trash bro I said TRASH ahahahahahah KEK lmfao at yoshitta and his life!

>>713295215
>barely even play ffxiv.
There's hardly any content in ffxiv so it's kinda hard to play it desu. Unless you like ERPing in Limsa all day long

XIV should have more rpg elements, slower gameplay with more strategic combat and room for creativity.
This isn’t even a preference thing, the ancient engine cannot handle the action combat the team so desperately wants to move to for some reason. Going the other way is the most prudent choice, because why wouldn’t I just play an action mmo with smoother, more responsive combat?

>XIV devs are out of touch
>WoW devs are supremely out of touch
>Chrono Odyssey already shaping up to be a rerun of New World but Korean
Why can't MMOs just be good, even during the era of the WoWkiller era we still had some good ones coming through.

>>713295215
Are you unable to read?

>>713294413
>>713294130
>>713294118

>>713295036
>>713295096
still mad after all these years, I wonder how it feels having autism this severe.

>>713295125
i am scarletworg
fuck you creep

>>713295237
>RPfags, a tiny minority
A very vocal minority that holds a LOT of sway because they are eternal subbers and because they will defend Creative Studio 3 for anything. Yoshi only cares to cater to this demographic and the ultimate raiders

>>713295363
I'm not mad. Just stating facts buddy.

>>713294852
Because clearly i trigger them.

>>713295328
because they're really expensive, so you need investors. and investors always, always, always, always turn everything they touch into complete and utter dogshit, without a single exception in all of human history

>>713295030
It's more like 1.0 was the humbling but that was a long time ago and with different leaders

>>713295197
fatty fat fat hrothgar isn't a sure sign, some of the existing avatarfags mostly do it to rile up folder-dumpy and behave themselves on the rare chance he's not around or when he's fucked off for long enough a thread finds its footing (this is assuming folder-dumpy also isn't doing it himself so he can point at it and try to justify his own spam, same story as barneyfag posting his own pony pics to link back to them and cry about it)

>>713295096
There weren't even any announcements made in April for the game at all.

>>713295292
Everyone hates WoW players and what is currently happening in this thread is a good example of why. As for the game itself? It's alright but has been going downhill for a long time.

>>713295363
Years being 2, and I get being a little bit annoyed still given how many resources were funneled from xiv to fuel the vanity project.

>>713295363
>Promise to say something later
>Never says it
>Call them out for it
>NOOOOO THIS IS AUTISM
Shut the fuck up punk bitch, admit your shitty idol lied

>>713295418
No, because you ARE the image spam schizo

>>713295097
They will never recover from 2021.

>>713295306
>There's hardly any content in ffxiv
lets see them phantom jobs, you did get your tier clear right, all the crafter relics right?
>>713295359
I don't play WoW and never said I play WoW, you're just seething and making things up.

>>713295210
>better version
Oh more delicious cope, I love it.

>>713295398
>they are eternal subbers
The only people who are eternal subbers are Mare users who use the game as a chat room because they have no social life.

i dont know what game this is
i thought this was an austin powers thread

>>713295309
the game can't handle buffs or dots either so wtf do you want them to do?

>>713295494
Uh huh, so you join a thread about a game you don't play so you can sing the praises of a game you uh, don't play.

>>713295440
naw, i don't think they'd do that. antagonizing one dude?

>>713295494
>all the crafter relics right?
I bet you think that getting 10,000 wins in PvP for a shitty title is content too, don't you little boy?

>>713295553
los uno persona...

>>713295405
you're very mad
>>713295467
thats 2 years too many and is just being autistically mad
>>713295479
yes, you have autism because no one should be mad that a game has shallow rpg mechanics after 2 years.

>>713278972
I wish extreme was the baseline difficulty.

>>713295569
>it doesn't count because uhhhHHHhhH
>IT DOESNT

>>713295487
I miss the party rocking saga so much it's unreal.

>>713295421
I HATE INVESTORS

>>713295607
You'd eat a plate of shit for free if Yoshida shat on it. That's content too right?

>>713295624
never forget /wowg/'s sacrifice

>>713295624
KEK

>>713295480
I've only got enough patience to throw some fat cat women pictures around now and then, this thread living autism is beneath me.

>>713295624
Halcyon days... cherish those fleeting memories anon.

https://streamable.com/99ed9j

>>713295494
That’s an unfair argument, that’s like saying there’s a thousand hours of content because of the 5000 frontline wins achievement

>>713294778
For me it's various factors
>Inflexibility of japanese people to try new things
It still baffles me that the live letter are almost fully japanese, using paper to show new outfit and stuff, just because "people liked it at the beginning"). They're always hiding behind their schedules, but it just doesn't work when it's been two expansions in a row like that. Or just look at the tomestone cap that's been that way for years, always criticized.
>when they try something new, they literally put ZERO thought how the content will be months after
>The money is literally syphoned by Square for their other project, revamping the code never
>Like most japan game devs, they are so far behind in dev/tech skills
Their motto is probably "Consistency is key" or something. The game is fun catching up, but when you do, it's just over.

>>713295552
I play ffxiv retard, I've just called out a moron who lies about playing old mmos, you're just schizoing that I play WoW because it's easier than accepting that dealing with the truth.
>>713295569
>gets listed content
>"NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT"
so you didn't goodbye.

>>713295727
But all you do is live in threads posting your shitty american hrothgar

In the end wow won and fell upwards despite all the breast milk drama.
Meanwhile XIV has to suffer with all the money they earned for Square Enix getting piled into other games that caused the company to gut entire divisions and restructure.

>>713295692
Don't project your coprophagia on me.

>>713295503
Be honest, how many MMORPGs have you played?

In SWG you had the ability to stake a claim on the world map, that's right, no instancing, no housing zone, the actual overworld map. You could setup shop just like any modern sandbox game and if enough people built up near you, you could turn your little spot into an actual town and get your own "flight path" to it.

You are ignorant to what the housing system is like in other MMOs.

Adding fun shit is literally so easy. While eating dinner I was thinking of something called Party Roulette where you get random effects e.g. Mini, Auto Attacks only, low defense, etc. Something a la Special Melee. All it would take is ticking a setting on duty finder to be added to the queue pool instead of hiding shit behind blue quests. Why oh why is Square so lame.

>>713295591
No one is mad, just slightly annoyed. And I get still binging it up because they have showed no signs of learning or improvement.
Game journos reviewing X and XIII eternally mindraped Square and it’s a really sad thing to see.

>>713295789
FF14 has to exist so WoW can get better and vice versa
Competition breeds excellency
The issue we're facing as consumer is that the options are becoming less and less

>>713295786
>Your entire post chain is praising WoW
>"bro haha i play ffxiv haha how about that latest patch fellow xiv players haha"

embarrassing

>>713295786
>I play ffxiv
Opinion discarded

Do you think XIV team will get their shit together like WoW team have to an extent?

>>713295747
>That’s an unfair argument
it isn't, getting your relics, doing the savage tier or leveling the phantom jobs is not the same as getting an achivement, these are content with a clear end goal made for you to play, it's literally content, you can't look at them and go "theres no content" just because you personally don't want to play it.

>>713295280
>people were complaining about this week 1
Hell, people were complaining about it within HOUR 1. It's like the devs only playtested a single mission and then went "yep the game didn't explode good enough ship it out!"

>>713295789
I know you're shitposting.
But you don't honestly think Blizzard pumps all the money they get into WoW either, right?

>>713295797
I only play good MMORPGs like WoW, FFXIV, and OSRS

>>713295797
doesn't count

>>713295905
No. The Japanese are borderline incapable of changing course. They'll stick to exactly what they're doing until it's over and then they MIGHT try to fix it, but at this point I'd just expect ff17 online

>>713295879
Actual schizo, point to where I praise wow, I want to see how your schizo brain barely works.

>>713295905
Get what together? DT has been fun and the MSQ is looking good again.
Not sure what's going on over at WoW. That game doesn't interest me at all.

>>713295915
>playtesting at all
you're a silly little guy

>>713295921
hell the actual money-maker at ABK is candy crush and other turbo-popular-forever mobile games

>>713295921
No, but they certainly have more money to pump into wow than XIV will ever have

>>713295914
Well it doesn’t help that most phantom jobs are boring to play with. Also isn’t the percentage of the player base who does savage only like 20 percent at most?

>>713295914
>doing the same thing 5000 times for achievement is content
Reddit tier opinion

Come back NOW WHITE MAN!!!

One question. Is dawntrail still focused on the cat?

I hated my WoL being a moral support character for the msq

>>713295863
>No one is mad
you are all very mad, slightly annoyed people don't go "IT'S NOT AN RPG" after 2 years, they move on.
>Game journos
oh you're so mad

>>713296064
stick to roguelites lil bro

>>713296029
It doesn't really feel that way.
They just added a third type of content to the game this expansion. Otherwise they've been relying on raiding and m+ for like.. nearly a decade or so?
They can't even give their lizard dudes gear.

>>713296085
>Is dawntrail still focused on the cat?
Yes. She's in every cutscene still and you are the side character to her and SPEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>713296059
>b-b-b-but it's not fun so it's not content
it is content, you don't personally like it but it is content.
>>713296064
I know ffxiv players cannot read but come on.

>>713290607
>>713290612
>Scenario designer
DT tard got axed, didnt he?

>>713296085
7.2 pivoted to Real Sphene and Wuk had much less screentime. Considering 7.3 is the finale of Dawntrail before the next expansion setup of 7.4 and 7.5 it remains to be seen.

>>713296127
>lil bro
You're the one who's 15 years old buddy. Not even old enough to post here since XIV was your first MMO lol lmao even

>>713295850
>where you get random effects e.g. Mini, Auto Attacks only, low defense, etc. Something
This is already in game. Sometimes your party members only do single target, sometimes the tank melts, sometimes they have perma confuse on and run around aimlessly. So much fun!

>>713295931
>>713295953
If you'd actually like to talk about MMO housing we can have a fun discussion where I'm sure you'll learn a lot. Throughout the years with (nearly) every MMO having housing it's brought us tons and tons of really cool mechanics and systems. Maybe you'd even be curious enough to try one of these old games out and see what fun you could have.

If you want to masturbate over WoW adding a core MMO feature two decades late then stop posting because your ignorance on the matter is blindingly obvious.

>>713296085
>One question. Is dawntrail still focused on the cat?
Hasn't been since 7.2.
But she is still around, even if in 7.2 she got offscreened by NPCs at pretty much every turn.
7.2 was really good, but one patch is hard to make a pattern out of so we'll have to see how 7.3 goes.

I'm a WoWchad and I hope that FFXIV gets better

>>713296007
WoW is getting housing and it completely trumps XIV's in every single aspect
They're cracking down on addon bullshit while XIV team seem to just ignore the sorry state of all the botting and cheating that goes on

>>713295931
>I only play good MMORPGs
>WoW
>FFXIV
I bet you play Fortnite too huh?

>>713296247
Sure, I want an MMORPG where I can be social and people will be social back and not be arbitrarily soft-locked because I don't partake in installing hundreds of mods to play a game to have fun and relax with.

>>713295727
I think you're beneath most people, yeah. Like a fly buzzing around parading his awful fetish around
Naturally a furfag too - shameless!

>>713296064
nta but it gets me every time something new drops
>new achievements:
>do the thingy a thousand times
>do the thingy a million times
>do the thingy a billion times
>reward: title "the credulous idiot"
wow, so amazing! 0 thought put into the achievements, as well as many things inside the game
all this game has is the level sync option, that's just what barely makes it alive

>>713296321
>in every single aspect
except the two that matter - it is visually ugly and it is inside of retail world of warcraft. a fatal diagnosis unfortunately

>>713296321
>WoW is getting housing
Okay? I'm happy for WoW players.
>They're cracking down on addon bullshit
Are they finally no longer designing their fights around addons?

>>713296373
>I don't partake in installing hundreds of mods to play a game
So, not FFXIV or WoW then since both of them MMOs require numerous add-ons/mods?

>>713296152
>viera and hrothgar only ever didn't have hat access
>are just now overcoming the vast majority of their hat problems
>WoW can't under any circumstances change up how their au ra knockoffs look in gear

>>713296090
You keep saying people are mad, over and over, I’m not seeing it.
And it’s an objective fact that game journos are responsible for the psychosis the company has. Yoshida literally in interviews decrying jrpg as a slur because of Phil Fish types.
They said XVI was for “the younger audience” but it was actually made for the game journos and forum posters of 2009. Gritty realistic dark fantasy world, not the stupid anime nonsense of X and XIII. Action system like DMC, not archaic turn based combat! Story with grim characters and political threats, not anime melodrama!
It was the dream game made for those people, just 14 years too late.

>>713273163
>raidfags still cry even when ALL content is aimed at them
What a surprise. FF14 is ruined.

know of any games where you can play by pushing exactly 1 button with a dev created supported feature with no meaningful penalty that will probably get removed?

i never NEVER thought worlo would be the one to do it first

>>713294995
It is genuinely amazing how the faggots at Blizzard have completely and utterly destroyed everything fun or cool about Warcraft.

>>713296417
No anon I'm afraid you are wrong. Doing the same thing 1 million times is real content. An anon here told me so

>>713295624
I miss it too

>>713296450
WoW players don't even complain about their au ra knockoffs not being able to wear anything.

>>713296373
Unfortunately MMORPGs like that were all but wiped out when WoW came around, in my personal experience FFXI and EQ were the two best sources of what you are looking. Today the few existing MMOs have mostly centered their experience around short bursts of gameplay and queue systems.

You do have the Korean MMO side of things but those have only ever been good for softcore porn and grinding, like actual soul sucking grinding not the fun kind.

>>713296224
>So much fun!
Yes, those games are usually fun, as opposed to running to a wall and melting shit down ad nauseam.

>>713296219
stick to roguelites and ai generated content lil zoom zoom bro

>>713296085
You get a Goku moment in 7.2 and she's of significantly less importance in 7.1 and onward because her arc is done and she's not planned for the future. 7.3 is the point where if anybody's still talking about her they're deliberately choosing to get pissy about her. This was always the case, but if somebody is still focusing on her even after MSQ moves away from Tural in near-totality after 7.3, they're REALLY obsessed.

>>713296489
This is good because it shows WoW is catering to its playerbase. 14 refuses to cater to the majority and keeps putting out ultimateslop no one fucking touches.

>>713296071
I'm running things to do that don't feel like a job, don't have enough bodies in circle of people I know on my server to finish off Reisenjima NMs for Aeonics, and I don't want to make more REMAs, and am incapable of making a Prime.
It's over for me...

>>713296190
my crackpot theory is still that they were planning to have DT's story run to 7.5 but because of the 7.0 msq reception they had to pivot hard into ending it in 7.3, my only evidence is how basically nothing happens in 7.1 and suddenly in 7.2 we're not only getting a real sphene but also the villain in the same patch and we're gonna be done with them in the next one already, that and since theres no trial series this means the other trials are gonna be MSQ and were probably gonna be another fake sphene and then Calyx.

>>713296439
>Are they finally no longer designing their fights around addons?
Yeah they're taking a hard stance against combat addons next expansion
Actual good steps towards improving the game

>>713291828
Truth Nuke

why are you not her fan? you autistic or something? must have zero friends irl i feel bad for you

>>713296489
It's especially funny when the XIV community had an aneurysm back when they saw the Dawntrail button consolidation option where like High Jump changing to Mirage Dive and said THEY ARE MAKING IT AN AUTOBATTLER.
Meanwhile WoW literally adds an autobattler and it's like "wow you chud think about muh heckin disablerinos who want to play too"

>>713296563

Maybe I should just go play solo LOTRO or DDO or some shit, the devs basically gave me all the content in those games for free. I dunno man I just want to feel invested in an MMO again.

>>713296613
>I'm running things to do that don't feel like a job
Back to FFXIV then. Old MMOs were immersive and things took a long time. If you want instant dopamine go play XIV

Be real, how many people would actually quit if they stopped doing Ultimates? A few hundred? A couple thousand MAX?

>>713296719
huge perma plappers

>>713296581
They aren't allowed to complain, their game HAS to be the best it HAS to be the most popular because that's all they know it for. This is why they spend all their daily effort attacking other MMO fanbases instead of playing their chosen game.

>>713296723
LOTRO is good, they have a decent f2p system but very grinding
Regardless, I found the world and story very, very immersive. Give it a a try!

>>713296616
I think YoshiP said they were always planning to return to x.0 to x.3 is the end of the MSQ and that Endwalker was an outlier because 6.0 was effectively the end of that story.

>>713296474
>You keep saying people are mad, over and over, I’m not seeing it.
look in a mirror, or just consider the fact that people still being mad and won't even entertain the idea that ffxvi is an rpg years after the fact is just them being mad, for 2 years.
Also
>game journos
you're mad and want to be mad over people writing reviews.

>>713296616
It's a possibility but considering how far back all the voice work had to be recorded I doubt they were able to react that quickly. The XIV devs are legendarily slow to react to negative feedback unless the JP players raise a massive stink.

>>713296616
If you had played any of the expansions before Endwalker you'd know that Yoshi's holy content block system has the expansion story continue until 7.3 and they start moving towards the next expansion in 7.4.

Sorry, XVI isn't an RPG. It's an action game.

>>713296604
i get the feeling that in 7.3 she will do another "SPPPEEEHENNNEE" moment...

>>713296708

naw, i don't think they'd do that. antagonizing one dude?

>>713296770
They don't quit, they just groan and wait the extra 4 months to do content again.

>>713296745
Sortie and Segment Points just stop being fun or exciting after several straight years of doing them.

did he really claim costs were the reason for lack of content?

>>713296786
Sounds cultlike to me.

>>713296821
I dabbled in it years ago, I think before whatever current publishers own the IP. I remember liking it a fair bit but obviously being limited in what I could do as a f2p.

>>713294260
Idk was having fun

>>713296916
Yoshida claimed time-constraints and also complained about having a larger QA team in the past.

>>713296616
I'd be very surprised if you're right, they always hide behind their excuses about following their schedules (not saying it's false because they are probably already working on the next expansion, but they are overusing it, since they never try to really fix things between exp).

>>713296896
>after several straight years
Sounds like you got plenty of enjoyment out of XI then. I mean no MMO can last forever.

ULTIMATES ARE ACTUALLY LE GOOD FOR THE GAME BECAUSE PEOPLE WATCH PROG ON TWITCH FOR A COUPLE DAYS IT'S HECKIN EXPOSURE!!!!!!
>Only people who watch are the people who already play and will never touch an ultimate

>>713296843
this is probably the truth, I just like to have one crackpot theory and an excuse to spend more time with real Sphene.
>>713296849
yeah no, it's very much just a crazy theory.
>JP players raise a massive stink.
aside from the fact JP feels the same about the devs and western players, JP did not really like Wuk either, and it wasn't a voice actor thing, they just found her annoying.

>>713284517
>d since CLL, DRN and Dalaria are all dead in the water
Because they are behind a stupid explore zone. Content like this should be in the main story, main areas,etc.

They need to change the game.

>>713296975

>i'm not crazy
>you're the one who's crazy

yall need a pepsi

>>713296916
He claimed costs were the reason there aren't two difficulty modes for the new content yeah. As in dev time cost not monetary cost.

>>713296930
When you realize that most people have played WoW at some point and moved on from it you start to realize just who the people are that can't let go and feel the need to attack anything that moves.

>>713296936
Yeah, their F2P system is not ideal. A ton of quests and zones locked behind Turbine points
But if you really dig it, it's worth paying a sub for
I enjoyed it a lot

>>713296959
Where did they all go?

>>713272431
>Yeah, it’s a known fact that square suck money out of [game] to fund their shit products that nobody buys. They’re so fucking stupid that they don’t continue to invest in the one thing keeping them afloat. Gotta make 200 more mobile games and a bunch of games nobody gives a fuck about.

>>713297001
>this is probably the truth, I just like to have one crackpot theory and an excuse to spend more time with real Sphene.
Fingers crossed she comes with us.
And Wuk does not. (I doubt she will. Get Lysed.)

>>713296916
Not actual literal monetary cost but development resources.
Nobody wants to work on a dated 15 year old game held together by gum and a prayer for the wages SE is willing to pay, so even if they want to expand the development team to produce more content they can't, so dev manhours are a very limited resource.

>>713296991
The streamer said that because the streamer needs money. For actual players it's about 2-3 months of raiding content, which is fun because it's you getting to hang out with 7 other friends on a nightly basis.

>>713296604
If they have any sense, they'll push her into the background as much as they can again for 7.3, and at the end of 7.3 she gets tossed into the palace and effectively stops existing.

>>713296867
hey guess what, I have, I call it a crackpot theory because I am very clearly joking about it, learn to read.
>>713296970
>I'd be very surprised if you're right
I'd be too, but I do think 7.1 was really fucking bad in it's pacing as really nothing happened, and yeah the x.1 patch msq is always pretty chill but 7.1 really had nothing in it, besides finishing off Koana's character by making him almost die protecting a cow and making sure he won't ever be relevant ever again.

>>713297115
>For actual players it's about 2-3 months of raiding content, which is fun because it's you getting to hang out with 7 other friends on a nightly basis.
Damn that's hella sick for the 600 people doing it and the 15,000 people paying for clears

>>713297001
>>713297054
Please look forward to doing [random side content crap criterion trials gatherer role quest] with Sphene in 10.0

>>713297194
Nothing ever happens in .1, it's a shame

>You get to hang out with other people by wiping over and over in a circular arena
Damn epic

>>713297024
Work on newer titles and games not held together by code that was poorly done by an unpaid intern

>>713297054
>Fingers crossed she comes with us.
it would be great.
>>713297054
>And Wuk does not. (I doubt she will. Get Lysed.)
Wuk was always gonna be Lyse'd, she can't leave because she became the Dawnservant and far more popular characters than her didn't end up coming with us, only one to do it was Estinien and G'raha and both didn't have anything tying them down to their location.

What really sucks about OC is that it almost captures that feeling of just being in a huge zone with a bunch of people casually grinding and killing bosses. It ALMOST feels like an MMO but then they shot themselves in the foot with Forked Tower.

>>713297194
Can you explain the joke? I missed it.

>>713297260
lol you think newfags/shitposters care enough to know this?

>>713297232
Sounds like every piece of content in WoW, you guys like that right? Buying arena rating, buying achievements, that's the norm these days?

>>713297001
>JP did not really like Wuk either, and it wasn't a voice actor thing, they just found her annoying.
Because she's just badly written, boring, and steals the spotlight from the player at the most critical important time.
During 7.0's release they were tons of posts on nip social media basically lamenting how it was her seiyuu's first real major leading role, and how it was a role she did a good job with the material she was given but won't help her break out because it's just a badly written role that falls flat and had controversy over.

>>713297194
I'm gonna be honest, I think 7.1 is the best x.1 patch because it ended fast. Every single x.1 msq is completely worthless.

>>713297324
>Can you explain the joke?
that's it's a crazy crackpot theory that doesn't make sense, yeah its not that good but whatever, the thread is almost dead anyways.

>>713297236
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>713297310
Yeah. Even if you're super cynical about the story and aren't even tuning in, I think it's easy to tell that Wuk was set for irrelevancy past 7.3.
Maybe, very maybe if she was absolutely loved and adored, they'd find a way to keep her around.
But uhh... clearly that is not the case.

Game ended with 6.0.

>>713297343
Yeah wasn't she an amateur seiyuu who got a huge break over there? I hope she doesn't get blacklisted for this shit lmao she seems really sweet.

>login to ff14
>see this
what do?

>>713297328
NTA but I really can't think of a .1 that makes me go "wow, that's great."
Usually .2s is where it starts to ramp up, and then .3 is obviously the crescendo.
(Except EW)

>>713297498
>blacklisted
wat

>>713297532
shieeet nigga wassup *throws up crip signs*

>>713292169
Making the combat engaging at all beyond ddr for retards and the same rotation on repeat might help
Even the sub-job system from eureka 3 is lackluster and boring

>>713297319
It was fun in the first days, but they fucked up with only having 1 fate and 1 CE at once on the map (though, maybe it's just my DC that has this issue).
It's just a train from teleporter to location. You can't even slow down or you're gonna get fucked for the fates.

>>713297532
wtf clara stop installing mods in my game

>>713297532
who the fuck installed this on my computer

>>713297575
Maybe the wrong term, I guess what I meant is losing opportunities for roles due to the character being received poorly.

>>713297370
it probably did but I was so bored of it I actually just didn't finish it until the month before 7.2, and thats when I experienced the fucking Cow arc and holy shit Koana is such a wasted character.
>>713297343
>Because she's just badly written, boring
yeah she just isn't a good lead, she could've worked but ironically they missed that when you make a very shounen character thats hyper and talkative they need characters to bounce off on and she barely actually interacted with people other than WoL who can't speak, and then when she did interact with others they just praised her.
>During 7.0's release they were tons of posts on nip social media basically lamenting how it was her seiyuu's first real major leading role, and how it was a role she did a good job with the material she was given but won't help her break out because it's just a badly written role that falls flat and had controversy over.
she'll probably recover, I assume she played ball and did at least do a good job, unlike certain others.
>>713297447
>Maybe, very maybe if she was absolutely loved and adored, they'd find a way to keep her around.
thats a big maybe, Aymeric is very beloved and he barely shows up anymore, maybe if we had some new content in tural but I don't think they'll bring her back in the future unless they really need her.

>>713287308
8.0 should be releasing right now.

>>713297575
I said I hope she doesn't get blacklisted you retarded fuck SHUT UP

>>713297818
>thats a big maybe, Aymeric is very beloved and he barely shows up anymore,
Point made.
Thank fuck they steered away from Tural in the patches. That shit is poison.
Hopefully they don't make us do anything there in 7.4 and 7.5.

>>713297498
She has been doing "Girl B" tier work for more than a decade.

sena bryer won bigly

>>713297901
probably not, I can't see us returning there until BLU mage quests, and thats maybe 10.0 at best.

>>713297953
Yeah but I mean like MAJOR roles like lead girls and shit like that dude.

>almost 600 replies
holy FUARK dood we are back

>>713298030
Side quest is fine. MSQ Tural shit is frighteningly braindead.

>>713297827
For what, a potential mid story, 5 normal dungeons, 3 experts and 3 trials?

>>713298054
TRUE DOOD

>>713298054
80% of it is shitposting and dooming
half of them are me
you are nothing

>>713298063
honestly side quest tural has been pretty boring too, theres very little conflict going on there

>>713298054
And with minimal schizoposting too.

>>713298085
And TWO extreme trials!

>>713298085
so true they should just never release any more content

>>713298054
Like 200 of these posts are mine

>>713298118
Yeah, that's fair. Pelupelu tribe was... nah.
But I think people are generally less upset about that than the MSQ.

Game won't be good until Blue Mage update and Beastmaster dropping.

>>713298153
At this point, it's probably for the better.

>>713298180
bazzaGOD...

>>713296845
No one is mad. If anything people are disappointed that so much time and money was wasted on a game that no one actually wanted. And yes the game journos are partly to blame, the anti-rpg shit was fucking everywhere. It’s not just jrpgs, that same mentality led to the “awesome button” in Dragon Age 2.

>>713298238
Under/over on being able to tame beasts and have them with you like they're minions/companions?

>>713298209
yeah, the Pelu questline was terrible, but most people dont care, it is something that hurts tural as a setting.

>>713297691
She won't get banished but it didn't really help her career at all for such an amount of work. She'll probably go back to just mob barks which is sad.

>>713298238
>Game won't be good
Game wont be good until they go back to Stormblood jobs

>>713298310
how about the over/under on BM even being released at all?

>>713271591 (OP)
Crowdfund it too retards

>>713298153
No, I don't know, maybe flip the game a little? Bring new and fresh things?
How about making more content in the open world that isn't limited to a pack of mobs that auto attack/blank aoe/cones? Or why not even try to include a field operation from the beginning? That they would improve EVERY patch?
So many ideas and possibilities, but we're always stuck with the same rigid schedule?

>>713297901
The biggest contenders for next expansion are Meracydia and Hingashi, who are pretty far from Tural.

>>713298407
they could probably be sued if not

>>713298238
>Beastmaster
They aren't adding any more jobs are they?

I could have sworn they said that after pulling the viper bullshit out their ass

>>713292585
There were some cool rewards(if not many), they just were, again, locked behind sweaty goals that the average derp can't complete. For every person with two brain cells to rub together who can look at something and instantly solve the puzzle in their head of how to navigate it, you have 100 who will get their shit pushed in within a minute over and over until they become frustrated and give up forever. That's before you even take into account technical difficulties possibly fucking people(dc during DD being insta-fail, etc).

>>713298310
If they reintroduce an actual pet system through the limited joke job I will be very upset.

>>713298372
I at least liked the Yok Huy, so maybe it'll be something worth checking out.
But it looks like we're getting a candy ass cutesy rabbit mount though.

>>713285118
This, the loudest minority on the fucking planet

>>713298484
They'll just say there was too much "cost" involved, and push it back to 8.5

>>713298510
It's going to be the new limited job at some point.

>>713287882
What's to stop gamers from just returning to old games though.

>>713273761
>larps as a hardcore raider
>has to get carried every tier

I did not like Tural as a setting, it’s just a collection of tribal stereotypes painting in the same hyper-wholesome gloss the rest of the game has.
>but what about the eugenics!!
solved with vegetables. this game has shifted hard into g-rated world building since shadowbringers. Also see zero, a half void sent who spend hundreds of years living in a world of harsh survival and bargaining, instantly making friends and being wholesome with the people of Thavnair, who are also similarly ok with this strange demon woman just walking about the place with her scary scythe.
It’s not even a woke thing like some people on here claim, it’s just lazy writing. Why bother writing tense conflicts when everyone can just get along instead.

>>713298632
i don't think that keeps them from getting sued for false advertising

>>713298238
>Beastmaster comes out
>It's just a reskinned Verminion.

>>713273935
>300 people, while WoW has 500+
For the last couple years there's been positions open on the FFXIV team, the turnover rate just seems to be high there, nobody wants to stay and work on that shit

>>713298856
Disney Fantasy XIV

>>713298860
The best part is when they say updates (plural) and not update (optional)