prease understand

>>713354917 (OP)
SLOPPA

>>713354917 (OP)
Masahiro Sakurai is a Pyra chad so I trust his judgment.

I agree though if you are cutting time,costs and man power I expect the same for prices. Humans made a new tool to save time reasonably expecting humans to not use it is unreasonable. Full on anti A.I. simply isn't gonna happen.

>>713354917 (OP)
hand drawn animation is becoming too time consuming and unsustainable
3d animation is an option ti improve work efficiency

NOOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD BE A 100-HOUR WORK WEEK SLAVE UNTIL YOU'RE 70 SO I CAN BING BING WAHOO YOU SELFISH FUCK AI BAD AI BAD AI BAD

>>713354917 (OP)
>large scale game development is becoming too time consuming and unstable.
How?

>Gaming hasn't progressed since the 360, but no totally we need le AI to develop the gaems now
Go fall in a shit river rajesh

>>713354917 (OP)
>That will be $80+tip (DLC not included)

>>713355104
>unsustainable
it's never been more protifable lmao. The execs taking all the money and forcing more and more projects is what's killing the 2D animation industry. In japan at least. France is currently having a 2D animation renaissance

>>713355080
>I expect the same for prices.
lol, lmao

I hate how manipulative these twitter journalist posts are when it comes to translating a non foreign language
/v/ is also the same because half the shit anons type in the OP later turns out to be complete bullshit 80% of the time

You WILL consume AI slop, and you WILL be happy.

>realizes AAA game dev has become unsustainable
>instead of scaling back, try to plow through full steam ahead and think "eh, AI will fix it"
this isn't even about me hating AI sloppa (though I do) I really don't understand why companies ALWAYS think they can just slap a bandage on a sinking ship

>ai
>:(
>ai but japan
:O

>>713354917 (OP)
i remember from the monolith soft interview that the greatest problem of modern video games is the assets creation, we when from 1200-2000 assets on a videogame to almost 100.000, its just ridiculous to craft everyone from hand

>>713354917 (OP)
Or, ah, smaller games perhaps

>>713355702
Because most people in leadership positions don’t actually know tech anymore. They just know their buddies in the AI fields pitch them amazing looking snake oil, and because they’re gullible retards who see dollar signs in their eyes at the thought of saving money they say, “Gee, thanks Mr. Swindler, I’ll be sure to incorporate this miracle development tool right away!”

And then we see the results.

>IT'S TO DIFFICURT
>here, here's the entire working force from bandai namco
>STILL TOO HALD

>>713355830
Yeah right, that's how we get SAO VR the MMO by doing less.

>>713354917 (OP)
>large scale game development is becoming too time consuming and unsustainable
Based.
>Generative AI is an option to improve work efficiency
Cringe. Hackurai once again proving he always has the shittiest take on everythiing. Just make smaller scale games with lower budgets and less manpower like back in 90's and early 00's. Who am I kidding, this shit is never gonna happen. Line must go up, ALWAYS!

>>713354917 (OP)
Explain how he's wrong.
>n-no I'll get fired and replaced
If a machine can do your job better than you than you deserve to be replaced

>>713355449
It's funny, movies like Elio have a 300 million dollar budget and look like complete shit, you can easily make a good looking 2D animated film with a budget under 100 million

>>713355830
You tell any of these big businesses to "scale back" anything and they'll string you up on a cross.

>>713355961
>minor spelling mistake

>>713354917 (OP)
Stop making large games instead.
Going back to PS1 and PS2 games I've never played is more fun than playing any modern games.

>>713354917 (OP)
If you actually read the article you'll know he's not necessarily advocating for AI but rather lamenting the fact that it's seemingly an inevitability.

>>713355449
>it's never been more protifable lmao. The execs are taking all the money
STOP BEING ANTI-SEMETIC GOY. YOU FUCKING GENTILE PIECE OF SHIT

i will forever judge AAA games now just because of Expedition 33

>>713354917 (OP)
Why does he look like that? Doesn’t look Japanese to me, looks like that Ellen/Elliot Paige troon

>>713356298
the jews control the japanese animation industry? nigga are you fucking retarded?

>>713354917 (OP)
Sakurai would be one of the first people to embrace AI and think he's a geenus for it

>>713354917 (OP)
How do these people not understand that most of their employees arent doing anything?
>yeah so 20 years ago a group of 40 guys made world of warcraft but today a team of 1000 cant make the new smash bros

>>713356336
why are retards here acting like e33 is some pinnacle of quality
it's made with assets store assets and the female characters use male animations, it looks absolutely goofy

>>713354917 (OP)
Yet he would still refuse to add anyone’s favorites.

>>713356029
3D CGI movies are currently more expensive than 2D hand-drawn animation. talk about irony

>>713356029
>Under 100 million
That is such an insane fucking number. Most 2D animation feature lengths budget in france don't go over 10, and they look pretty damn good too.

BASED sakurai is not a Luddite artcel. Just like his friend Toby Fox who embraced NFT. Imagine a smash bros game with every character be NFT amiibo with new skins AI generated.... Kino

>>713356654
you don't understand goy. we must fall for the latest tech scam or it's shit. you're killing animation!

>Ai is bad because....... IT JUST IS, OK!?!
Why blame the tool for bad craftsmanship? If it is good AI usage you won't even be able to tell AI was used at all.

>>713356336
>>713356619
E33 is literally the unreal engine 5 asset store drag and drop game that people accuse every game in the industry of being now

>>713356776
I can only consume ETHICAL wageslaving for my bing bing wahoo

>>713354917 (OP)
did he actually say this or is this just some bullshit mistranslation again

>>713355830
>>713356434
these

>>713356776
But the tool itself actually sucks dick and can't recreate proper craftsmanship.

>>713356867
yet tendies have no problem buying the consoles made with slave labor in china
>umm well slave labor is fine because they use humans instead of machines!

>>713356904
He was more lamenting AI and thinking studios will probably be resorting to it, not personally endorsing it

>>713356797
Parrying feels good and the music is good so your argument is invalid.
Begone.

>>713354917 (OP)
No you FUCKING DUMB JAP
The solution is to make SMALLER GAMES with WORSE GRAPHICS like we USED TO when games were FUN you fucking RETARD

>>713357274
>The solution is to make SMALLER GAMES
They aren't even making bigger games

>>713356998
If it is a dead end tool then why are so many people claiming it is going to take their jobs?
Ai has progressed immensely in the past 5 years, and it is only set to accelerate it's pace of improvement. It is contradictory for people to claim it is a worthless fad with no staying power but then to also panic as if it will outcompete them.
It is going to be a second industrial revolution in scale and as a tool it will also give individuals more power to create their own games utilizing AI to massively improve the pace of their workflow.

>>713357428
If Indians are bad at their job (they objectively are) why are they replacing so many people?

How about scaling back games?
Not every game needs to have a giant fuck off open world map. No, There does not need to be 120 W, 300 X, 500 Y, 999 Z to collect dotted all over the map. Every game does not need to be a "forever game". You don't need to have super epic graphics that try to emulate real life. The roaster of characters does not need to be massive like Smash Ultimate.

>>713357428
>If it is a dead end tool then why are so many people claiming it is going to take their jobs?
Something doesn't have to be remotely effective, create good quality, or even beneficial to any party involved to "take jobs".
Most of the entire planet has legislated their manufacturing jobs away to China.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU
FUCK TRIPPING FUCK TRIPPING FUCK TRIPPING

>>713357549
>>713357604
Of course AI will be lazily used to attempt to cut costs, but that is again bad use of the tool and not the problem of the tool itself.
Really, this is akin to when digital art started to become prominent as opposed to traditional mediums, being accused of being "soulless" or "generic" and used as a way to sacrifice the quality of traditional mediums of art in favor of more cost effective digital development.
Just like AI, many companies did and still do use the exact logic stated above, but it has also opened the door for creative individuals to express their skill and visions much better.

How many epic lads did it take to make PS2 and GC games? Just do that again.

>>713357884
>but that is again bad use of the tool
There is no "good use of the tool". Just like manufacturing shit in china benefited nobody

>>713354917 (OP)
The funny thing is they are not using AI for the time consuming menial tasks, that's what jeets are for, they use it for the creative stuff like writing.

There is so much media warning about the dangers of AI but the moment AI actually became a thing everyone jumped on it like a free dick. WW3 can't come soon enought.

>>713357884
any good studio will use generative ai just for the bussy work, the problem is that we live on retarded times

>>713356679
Absolutely fucking based idea

Gaming really needed to spend 15 more years in the n64 ps1 era

I knew Ultimate would be his last high-effort game at the time. I could just feel it. I didn't think this is how he would go downhill, but I knew he was going to somehow.

>>713354917 (OP)
lmao that fucker looks like ellen page

>>713358648
There is no actor by that name

>>713358715
There is no one born a man that has become a woman.

>>713354917 (OP)
>super smash bros
>large scale
bro those games have small stages and gamecube-tier graphics wtf does this middle aged dyke know about large scale games

>>713356434
I think a very large amount of the global economy is fake and propped up by
>everyone needs to be working 8 hours a day
You can’t just cut the fat cuz too many people will be left with nothing to do

>>713355220
>How?
anon, have you not noticed how long it takes for new games to be developed?

That's cool sakurai. If I don't notice it then no problem

>melee dev time: 13 months
>ultimate dev time: 30 months
>melee budget ~1-4 million
>ultimate budget ~80-100million
Sakurai is a bigger hack than Kojima

>>713354917 (OP)
That pedophile looking guy is lying, he actually wants to say this:

>large scale games and decent modern graphics are way too expensive for us, we can't properly jew our fanbase if we stop making PS2-tier cheap kiddieshit games worth $20 and sell them for 80

>>713357604
This whole idea that Chinese manufacturing is bad and only done because it's cheap is cope from people who can't handle the decline of American manufacturing. They used to say the same about Japanese manufacturing decades ago. The truth is Chinese manufacturing is just the best option in most cases, it's not even that cheap anymore.

>>713354917 (OP)
I mean yeah, it's clearly happening. Studios are killing themselves left and right, games are now expensive as fuck to make and thus making anything new and interesting is a risk.
Only other way is going back to PS2, maybe PS3 graphic standard and making *smaller* games but the consumer base would be even less likely to accept this solution.

>>713359131
If it was even remotely the best option the entire world wouldn't have legislated their manufacturing capacity away.

>>713354917 (OP)
He's right. Normies love slop and won't care and the people who do care don't buy anything anyways.

>>713355528
How else are we going to keep our rage tanks fueled?

never understood Smash appeal

>>713354917 (OP)
In fairness sakurai actually works on games that have tons of content in them so it makes sense he’d be sick of it

Modern games suck ass so it's not a big loss to me that I have to ignore AI slop games.

>>713355234
>>Gaming hasn't progressed since the 360
Contrarians actually think this

>>713356776
I mean, AI is literally a bad craftsmanship generator. Maybe you get lucky and get something decent out of it in 0.1% of cases or some shit, but it's much like the saying: even a broken clock is right twice a day.

>>713359465
>TONS OF CONTENT
maybe smash ultimate, everything else is just people fucking around going "LOOK I MADE A BOMBERMAN MESH WE WONT USE, LETS PUT IT IN THE TROPHIES!"
>but that is content
In the same way that I could write a 10000 page novel and put it in the EXTRAS menu, not really functional content

>>713354917 (OP)
I feel like it's no surprise Soccer Guy would embrace AI. I aint one of those artfags on twitter, but have you seen his games and how generic he makes locations and art assets look in smash bros. Everything has realistic textures like the trees and grass.

>>713359383
>character i like from x franchise is beating the shit out of character from y franchise cool
>also i can just pick the game up and not have to watch youtube videos to play one character somewhat competently
real mystery

>>713359524
It hasn't.
There's been a paradigm change in that it's now astroturfed esports garbage and the marketing around games is entirely different and a strong focus on long term monetization of existing users rather than making games that people will move more copies over a long period of time.
But the games haven't actually gotten all that much more complex than shit from the same era as the 360.

>>713355830
>>713356080
Its the truth. We need smaller games with lower fidelity graphics but scaling back on these things to achieve reasonable budgets and dev time is not possible when the industry chased itself into a corner by conditioning both consumers and investors into thinking that scale and graphics are the primary indicators of product quality instead of game design and cohesiveness. Games would be saved if PS2/Dreamcast level graphics were an acceptable standard for the AAA label games again, but they arent anymore so in order to make up for the huge investment on their open-world-free-scenario-online-live-service-next-gen-graphics-with-simulated-pubes-AAA-blockbuster-next-big-thing-game it needs to dumbed down so that any idiot with money can play it, so it cannot be challenging or original.

>>713354917 (OP)
NOOOOOO HECKIN' AI IS STEALING JOBS FOR DISABLED POC LGBTQ2
FUCK AI AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE!

>>713359849
looks retard as fuck
Must be a tendie thing

>>713360107
Literally everything has crossover shit these days you dumbass.

>>713358874
>>everyone needs to be working 8 hours a day
you mean everyone needs to pretend to be working 8 hours a day
when WFH happened all those office "workers" happily admitted that they don't do any work and just jerk off at home, yet it had zero effect on society

>>713356336
Exp 33 is AAA retard

>>713354917 (OP)
he's wrong, scaling that shit back is the answer to improve work efficiency. the issue being tackled is that the larger a game is, the costlier it is, and the more people you need to hire (if you don't want to implode your company's workforce), and the less profits you end up making (to varying degrees; outliers are the money printing machines known as gta online and fortnite). the correct answer is "just don't go too big, retard" but of course the corporate overlords are beholden to the investors, of which are all fucking idiots, so the corporate-provided answer he gave is the only answer he can say. if shit can't be changed, you just gotta adapt to the shit no matter how much worse off you are for it.

>>713359891
I still dont get how AAAs havent moved from 1 1trillion dollar game to 100 1million dollar games, eat the profits of the smash hit to subsidize the underperforming ones

From the article, the interviewer starts by asking:
>While game development is becoming larger and more specialized and segmented, the indie game market, which is produced by one person or a small group of people, is also growing. How do you see the future of the game market?
>To be honest, it's dark to see what's coming. I think that if you try to make a large-scale game like the ones we have now, it's too time-consuming and unsustainable. I feel that we can't continue like this, but at the moment, the only effective solution I can think of is generative AI. I feel that we have reached a stage where we must change our schemes, such as by using generative AI to improve work efficiency. I think that this will be an era in which only companies that can adapt to this change will survive.
>--What do you think about the potential of the indie game market?
>The indie game market also has its challenges. With over 10,000 titles being released each year, it is very difficult to stand out. Indie games have the appeal of freedom and creativity, but they also require a lot of effort, luck, perfection, and standing out in the crowd to succeed in the market. In that sense, it can be said that both large-scale projects and indies are facing an unpredictable reality in different ways

>>713359383
>>713360107
Dumb snoy.

>>713354917 (OP)
He knows tendies will eat the slop.

>>713359524
cyberpunk easily could have released on a ps3 if they bothered

>>713360510
oh so he actually is saying "we are forced to work like slaves so we need ai to keep karoshi rates down" jesus christ did the tweetnigger have to spin it like this

>>713360510
i kina get sakurai, imagine have a neat idea and having to spend 5 fucking years to materialize in a video game instead of doing the 1-year dev circle of before, that has to suck.

>>713358648
He's looked like that for two decades, why are people suddenly calling him a tranny now?

>>713359263
There was no mass legislation away of manufacturing capacity to China, China just invested heavily in manufacturing when global trade opened up and now they have the largest skilled manufacturing base in the world.

>>713360891
I'm not going to engage with you if you're gonna lie out of the gate.

>>713360107
Your boy Sony made their own Smash Bros game. Twice.

>>713360510
Everyone's going to ignore this so they can unquestioningly believe what Twitter says.

>>713354917 (OP)
Uh why is it becoming too time consuming and unsustainable?

>>713358976
Somehow the developers of olde did it. Nintendo doesn't even make graphically intensive games, so idk what their problem is.

>>713360961
Just say you hate free trade and want closed markets, pretending the rise in Chinese manufacturing is because of legislation and not the free market is cope.

>>713361087
three reasons
1: modern day programmers can not program for shit
2: the higher-ups are always breathing down the team's neck to make it bigger and more bombastic or else the investors will shit their diapers (this will happen regardless of how well the game sells)
3: japanese work culture does not allow for the team to collectively tell the bossman to shut the fuck up and fuck off

>>713360510
What I get out of this is that Switch 1 having bad graphics was not the intentional decision we were lead to believe. Now that Switch 2 is more capable they actually need to make higher quality assets and thus take longer to make games like other AAA studios have been dealing with.

The reason games take so long is because there's now a ton of abstraction and things that used to be simple are now complex as fuck. Yes, we have better tools at making games but at the same time those tools use overheads and shit that makes certain things harder eg. GPU vendors like Nvidia and AMD literally close their hardware and you can only communicate with them using their APIs when you used to directly code shit on the console/PC etc.

Another thing is that there are ton of bottlenecks introduced in development:
>Execs figured out what "sells" so they now breathe down the devs necks instead of giving them freedom and want to micromanage shit.
>You have consulting companies (not only Sweet Baby, but also others related to other stuff) that will make you redo shit over and over.
>Industry is flooded now with hacks and people who want to make games but only did a basic bitch Unreal course or something.
>Every game that comes on a console needs to pass basically a checklist and an audit before it's allowed on the store.

Any many others. Some AAA games literally now take almost 10 years if not longer to make.

>>713354917 (OP)
Then make smaller non-hollywood budget games like the PS2 days again, you faggot devs. MAKE SMALLER GAMES, THIS IS LITERALLY ON YOU AND YOUR COMPANY, NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO MAKE 100 BILLION DOLLAR GAMES.

everyone in this thread is a retard. i am the only exception. go to hell and stay there, you will be amongst your peers.

>>713356360
>>713358648
>>713359073
>managed to work himself to the bone, even keeping like 99.9% of the information of the guest characters from leaking
>anons start to insult his appearance now that he's not being shown to be openly developing the next smash game

>>713354917 (OP)
He's not wrong, it taking 12 years for GTA 6. They used to make them in 2 years.

>>713354917 (OP)
Genuinely just make 6th-gen hardware the standard again
Rerelease the PS2 and have AAA devs make games for it again

>>713354917 (OP)
games created using AI shouldn't have copyright protection

>>713361250
God Hand is a great example of a budget PS2 game that is fucking incredible.

>>713356679
That would be awesome

He’s been making smash slop for the past 13 years. What would he know.

>>713354917 (OP)
"Large scale game development" is the problem in and of itself. Absolutely no sympathy for companies that grow so exponentially gigantic like Ubisoft, lose sight of what made them great to begin with, and start to enshittify, mass layoff - or in this case, lean on AI - to create a product that is now inferior and more expensive to the consumer than indie and small corpo games, which are enjoying a gaming renaissance right now.

>>713359383
It's just jighting games for babies aka tendies.

>>713359383
>get friends
>grab alcohol
>turn on smash
>laugh your ass off
What's not to understand?

>>713356797
Have you played it? Genuinely the prettiest game I’ve ever seen, and the story and gameplay are also unbelievably good

>>713354917 (OP)
There goes the future of vidya we dreamed of as kids.

>>713362038
You were a kid when the vidya golden age was already over

>>713355234
>Gaming hasn't progressed since the 360
let me guess, you're poorfag playing only the low spec shit your toaster can run

>>713362217
Let me guess, you think that was the SNES

>>713362289
NES -> N64 was the golden age
You will never get to experience anything like itt

>>713361530
>He’s been making games that got a 90+ score on Metacritic for the past 13 years and sold billions
Wow, I wish that were me.

Big budgets aren't the issue, it's mismanagement. Now more than ever corporate cucks who know nothing about their consumer base are getting involved in the creative process of games. No one wanted Suicide Squad, not even Rocksteady who just wanted to make more batman or possibly a Superman game. Halo is the biggest victim of corporate bullshit, one of the biggest gaming IPs ever is seen as a laughing stock now because it took them two games and halfway through Halo Infinite's dev cycle to realize that people want Halo to play like Halo. That game wouldn't have costed a billion dollars if they didn't have to restart development and shutter their retarded ideas

>>713361119
AAA Games back then are comparable to indie games now

>Luddies come out in full force itt
kek
lmao
even

>>713362390
>N64
PS1*

>>713362803
You'd think someone at Nintendo of all places would have more teams scale back and leave a couple of AAA studios for variety. Did they cave to the stockholders and marketers saying they need bigger bloated games?

>>713354917 (OP)
>Generative AI
This costs many money.
We need to chalge $120 fol Smash Blos 2
Plus tip + DLC.

>>713360968
>Your boy Sony made their own Smash Bros game. Twice.
it was once and it failed because it is a retarded tendie thing

>>713361550
You can ask around and I'm sure people aren't going to be buying any sort of game if they aren't as big as the last one they have played. AI is the future and it will save the vidya and entertainment industry

I don't give a fuck about Smash now that there's an alternative with good gameplay. Sakurai can do whatever he wants, and Smash will continue to act as a ghetto for rosterfags who don't actually play platform fighters.

>>713357884
E

>>713363587
If Elder Scrolls VI is bigger and emptier than Starfield I will not play it. There is a sweet spot for playtime and bigger is worse a lot of times.

>>713361307
/v/irgins are fickle beasts who give and take their likes on a whim.

>>713354917 (OP)
As long as it's used to solve technical hurdles and not for design/art it's fine

>>713363082
Aren't the players themselves demanding bigger bloated games? Look at how /v/ constantly says that if a game doesn't take 100+ hours to complete it's shit and a waste of time and money.

>>713364431
>Look at how /v/ constantly says that if a game doesn't take 100+ hours to complete it's shit and a waste of time and money.
I never see this

>>713364431
Did anyone on /v/ want an open world Mario Kart game? It looks good in marketing materials.

>>713363386
So why has the actual tendies thing never failed if the entire concept is such poopycacadoodoofartknocker?

>>713364565
The only thing /v/ wants is the destruction of gaming and the deaths of everyone involved with gaming.

>>713354917 (OP)
>"Nintendo will never use AI"
T-Tendie bros... we're slop!

Just accept that AI is the future just like when the television came out, and then the DVD player, computers, CDs, laptops, flat screens, and smart phones.

Most budget is wasted on graphics that had barely improved since the late 7th gen era

>>713364786
We will fight against it just as people fought against all of those and more.

>>713360696
Delusional

>>713364806
How much better can they get? 100% absolute realism?

>>713358976
Then remove the unnecessary bloat that the comitee are, o any decision doesn´t have to go through 5 loops to get acepted

>>713363618
NOOOOOO IT HAS GRABS AND LEDGES IT'S NOT RIVALS NOOOOOOOO

>>713354917 (OP)
I trust Lord Sakurai in his decision. He is afterall the only successor of the platform genre that has SOUL.

>>713364786
>AI is the future
>like the television
That nobody watches anymore, so it's not the future.
>the DVD player
That nobody buys anymore, so it's not the future.
>computers
That are losing space to the smartphones, so it's no the future anymore.
>CDs
That nobody uses, so it's not the future anymore.

>>713355449
>it's never been more protifable lmao
In what world? The animation industry is dying

>>713364983
Games have already set the standards with being glorified playable movies and already cultivated a large audience around it, they can't scale back on that now.

>>713365118
Nothing is the future. Everything gets replaced.

>>713364923
They can't. They already look pretty realistic and the improvements are becoming less and less noticeable as time goes on while the computing power required keeps increasing.

>>713364786
Pretty much this. Every single high IQ vidya dev is saying how much AI is going to help make great games and it will pretty much make sure we don't do a massive nose dive into the ground. AI art is already better than a lot of professional artists, even Steller Blade lead devs said AI is going to be the future.
Everyone seething right now is pretty much the people who hate being creatives, You can do pretty much do anything that you want now but people still only cares about the """bad""" side of AI.

>>713355106
People said same shit when computers replace typewriters. Now you're gonna spend 100+ hours a week writing prompts while still making minimum wage (if you are lucky)

>>713354917 (OP)
>look up the interview
>He's specifically talking about replacing localizers

Typical game journo misrepresenting what the story is actually about.

>>713355528
anything that starts with "Sakurai said" is almost guaranteed to be a lie

>>713365229
It seems it´s a (They) problem. They will grow so big their feet will colapse under tthem and people will laugh at them for chasing the "infinite growth" while treating customers as walking wallets. Look at movie industry

>>713365519
People already make prompts for free, so getting paid for it, even for a small wage, would be an upgrade.

>>713355234
>Gaming hasn't progressed since the 360
The basic bitch /v/ opinion

>>713356619
This is why I’m confident my indie game will succeed. Though I at least combine many different types of assets and customize them to the point where most would be unrecognizable but it’s nice to be affirmed that the reason people here claim to hate UE5 is only because most game devs refuse to optimize their games. I mean I’m still using a 3070 and I can run my stuff just fine even in the editor, despite the editor running 10x slower than an actual game file would.

Indies are the future

>Any other dev uses AI
>/v/: PAJEET SLOP
>Nintendo uses AI
>/v/: I heckin love AI!

>>713366060
Indies are also using AI now.

>>713363587
you're speaking to hylics, just because the next game takes 100 more gigs does NOT mean it's any good by any measure
i would love for games to be smaller in scope but better designed

>>713354917 (OP)
it's mistranslated. he's complaining about it, not praising ai.

>>713366139
The future is fucked. How long before a kino AI game is even made? it's all so fucking trash. Where's proof of concept.?

>>713354917 (OP)
Using AI as a base and molding it into something better is a perfectly fine way to use it.

>>713355953
>he thinks we're getting a new mmo people like in this timeline
LOL

>>713354917 (OP)
They should replace middle management with AI

>>713356382
>he doesn't know

>>713356679
Toby Fox is legit the best gamedev ever..

>>713365017
>NOOOOOO IT HAS GRABS AND LEDGES IT'S NOT RIVALS NOOOOOOOO

i wish graphics weren't as important as they are, it feels like the industry painted itself into a corner so now the modern audience demands it no matter what
i'd be totally down for ps2/gc era graffix if it meant fun, creative games that didn't take 5-10 years to make and didn't cost $99.99 for the standard edition

I don't mean to sound like hitler but could we maybe have dedicated servers please

>>713354917 (OP)
He's right

>>713367494
You'll play through your 11 frames of input delay and you'll like it. Now go, and never ask me for anything again. Be grateful I did not add back tripping for this transgression.

>>713356797
And the AAA industry can't even compete with something on that level. What a disgrace!

>>713367340
Neck yourself troon

>>713356679
Ant Tenna wins again, baby!

>>713363618
>good gameplay
you're funny

>>713359038
>>ultimate budget ~80-100million
It's easy to burn through the budget when the entire game is based around paying other companies for their characters

>>713359383
It's mostly for the colored crowd

>>713368840
And you're filtered, but luckily there's a game that's right for everyone

It's prob fake news. Can't read the og article.

>>713355059
The only acceptable Xeno Waifu is KOSMOS

>>713355528
did you read the article?

show me the direct source not this retard twitter nobody

>>713355830
Cool it with the antisemitism.

Anti AI faggots are genuinely mentally ill looking at this thread.

>>713354917 (OP)
This is a shit translation of what he said. He said that current AAA development costs and timescales are not viable without resorting to using AI, but he also says that those current production models should be changed and this isn't a good thing.
Fuck gaming journalists. Prepare for Nintendo to sue you to hell for libel.

>>713354917 (OP)
He is right but generative models have to become better first.

Pretty much so good they become indistinguishable from human work. Otherwise someone will always call out the slop.

>>713361119
>current AAA game production spending 10 years and $500 million on Concord is bad
>HUH BUT OLD GAME PRODUCTION THAT DIDN'T DO THAT WAS FINE! I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT

>>713373098
>NOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE MONEY, I CALLED YOU OUT NOOOO!!!
Fucking pathetic my man. Posts on social media achieve nothing.

Masahiro SakurAI

>>713373317
More than you think. Organized review bombing and anti-shill campaigns could sink your product pretty fast.

>>713373551
Organised bombing does far less for consumer confidence than Steam accepting every piece of shovelware under the sun. Over 18,000 games released on Steam in 2024 alone. This shit is WHY people are concentrating around a small pool of "known" IPs.

Also go look at Monster Hunter Wilds' sales figures and Steam reviews.

how is this possible?
nintendo is making the same games that they were making 10 years ago. There's been no meaningful progression in graphics or gameplay
why did it work then and not now?

>>713354917 (OP)
>large scale game design too time consuming
Create some fucking boundaries and set goals for what you want to accomplish lmao wtf.
You literally have 1 job.

THIS JUST IN
SAKURAI LOVES COCK AND TAKES IT UP THE ASS DAILY

>>713374553
We already knew that

>>713374402
He's criticizing the industry at large, while saying that indies aren't having these moneysink problems. Not talking about any project of his own.

All I know right now is that AI pisses me off because it isn't making the vision I had in mind no matter how hard I describe it nor how many reference materials I give it.
Yes, maybe in the future it will, but I am better off honing my own skills in the mean time.

>>713355220
making nice 3d models, maps, animations, etc is a giant fucking mountain of work?

which is why all franchises reuse assets whereeever possible

>>713354917 (OP)
How come companies cant make games at the speed they once did? Surely as the tech became more understood, it should mean these companies can produce a modern game in same time frame they did 8bit and such.

>>713365142
keys

>>713354917 (OP)
Japan is always 10 years behind trends. They are now just embracing open world design, cross media tie in products, crossovers, and DEI. This shouldn’t be a surprise and Sakurai saying this just shows how out of touch Japanese are with the outside world. Why are people freaking out is beyond me, speak with your wallet. If Marathon can fail because of AI usage, so Can Kirby air riders (if it uses AI). People here should calm down

>>713375384
obviously the assets are much higher quality and the gameplay is more complex than how it was 30 years ago
the issue is that this isn't the case comparing to 10 years ago, the market today is far bigger, and games are making more money than ever. There's no reason AAA games should be too difficult to make today, the problem is budgeting and efficiency got worse.

>>713375384
Investors-sama want all numbers to be bigger. Your budget needs to be 100x bigger, and your profits need to be 1000x bigger or else shareholders will kill you. If you're not risking 10000x the losses than you're a coward that isn't trying your hardest.
Plateauing at a consistent cost to return ratio isn't growth.

>>713364786
Don't need to accept slop, more than enough old and good media already out to last me and entire lifetime.

>>713375038
>Not talking about any project of his own.
My comment applies to anyone, his dumb ass included.
Understand the scope of your fucking game and what you aim to do with it.

>>713355080
>prices lowering
Nigga what are you smoking?

>>713375384
Well I always see anons getting mad whenever a developer tries to reuse stuff for a new game.

>>713354917 (OP)
AI is a tool. I can make waifus in 3 seconds. Why not use AI to automate basic tasks or conceptualize stuff?

the entire point of AI gen is to make content fast, or iterate on it, or do things rapidly. You can take a real artist and have them use AI tools to make cool stuff too.

Why do games have to be so big and expensive?

>>713356679
That sounds like absolute shit. Do you idiots really enjoy consuming slop for the sake of consuming?

>next smash game will be built in AI
How'd you react?

People are reacting on a clickbait headline and mistranslated article by AI. This is exactly why our IQ is dropping. Btw, the article said due to AAA budgets inflating, AI will be necessary to keep costs down. Goes to show how illiterate people are on X and how emotionally immature people itt are. Gosh you retards are so gullible

>>713365549
>posts images that quotes him saying that Smash isn't a fighting game, but a response to fighting games
Okie doke

>>713361238
Nintendo is already capable of doing that. As shown with Zelda, Mario Odessey and Xenoblade games. Only the tech held them back from having higher resolution and fps. Gamefreak was the only company that struggled but that was expected from them.

>>713376693
Gosh golly gee willikers nigger it's almost like it doesn't matter because budgets don't need to be this high to begin with and that the solution isn't AI.

>>713355080
cost cutting is for the sake of profits, not for the consumer's pocket

>>713376997
>Gosh golly gee willikers nigger it's almost like it doesn't matter because budgets don't need to be this high to begin with and that the solution isn't AI.
That’s what he’s saying, he’s saying this will lead to a dark future where we will get to this point if companies don’t change their ways

>>713364786
YOU HAVE CONSOOM THE AI SLOP.. BECAUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO OK!

Nah, I'll keep playing retro games and the few good games that come out while you fags spend $80+ dollars on AI generated slop that looks, plays and runs like shit just like you do now. I prefer things with real SOVL. Not some indian typing garbage into an AI prompt and selling it for $80. lol LMAO even.

>>713365478
They're all saying it but are they even using it?
I bet most of the time it's just jumping on the latest bandwagon of buzzwords.

>>713376325
slop

>>713377078
cost cutting to give you a game in 2 years instead of 10

Expedition is pretty big. Regardless of how you feel about the game, it's proof these teams are way too bloated and don't need AI when they're producing shit like Smash Bros.

>>713376152
nintendo hire this man

>>713376325
shut the fuck up

>>713354917 (OP)
Iwata must be rolling in his at the sight of this

>>713354917 (OP)
ULTIMATE PLAYS LIKE DOG SHIT AND SO DID BRAWL AND 4
SMASH 6 WILL NOT BE A GOOD GAME
GET OVER THE FRANCHISE

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

>he uses the word "slop" when talking about AI

how to spot an NPC.

>ULTIMATE PLAYS LIKE DOG SHIT AND SO DID BRAWL AND 4
>SMASH 6 WILL NOT BE A GOOD GAME
>GET OVER THE FRANCHISE

>YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

>making games is faster and easier than ever
>months of hard work, like hand-painting shadows and reflections, are now done in one second with nodes
>years of hand-keyframed animation are done in one afternoon with a mocap suit
>months of optimization are just... not done anymore lol ("let Nanite/Lumen figure it out")
>the gameplay itself has stagnated, there hasn't been a new mechanic in 15 years, and we just get the same copy-paste games over and over and over again

>yet games take 3X longer to make, have 10X the budget, and cost more to buy
????????????????????????????????

>>713356029
>It's funny, movies like Elio have a 300 million dollar budget and look like complete shit
It has a $150 budget which is on par with the other animated movies from Disney and Pixar. It looks like shit because the art direction is ass but the tech is still the same. They've been on this bean mouth shit for like the past few years and I don't know why.

>>713354917 (OP)
I don't care so long as the games are good.

>>713377242
>slop
but it isnt slop when a patreon "artist" does it?

I went to school for comp sci and now I can do better art than these retards. They can all fuck off.

>>713376915
virgin out of context interview written and translated by someone Sakurai doesn't even know vs the chad Sakurai's Youtube channel where he blatantly states it was always a fighting game, but a redditor couldn't see that

>>713377346
If Expedition was released by an established studio and not an indy dev it would have been panned mercilessly.
Companies are graded on a curve

>>713354917 (OP)
Every programmer I know uses AI and talks about how much easier their life is because of it.

the people using "slop" are retards who went to school for art instead of a useful major STEM related.

get fucked, idiot "artists".

>>713378865
>here's some evidence
>hey that evidence contradicts your point
>uhhh actually suddenly that evidence doesn't count now
And you have the audacity to call anyone else a jew

>>713354917 (OP)
>our money is losing value and our people are getting poorer
>we should put them all out of a job!

>>713376325
An artist would feel dead inside if is the work he is passionate about consists of making it with AI. Also he won't work less, but just use the time he spared to use even more AI. And it's also a waste of resources for the environment, to get slop in return.

Corporatefags have lowered the quality of their products while increasing their profits. They have no excuses. They always want to increase the profits, but then it becomes matematically impossible...

>>713379457
The source of him stating that it was always a fighting game was written spoken by him and translated by someone he hired and uploaded on his personal youtube channel, the only source of him saying it's not was an offscript interview written and translated by someone he doesn't know

>>713378976
it's because most of them have fake jobs that can easily be replaced by indians vibecoding

>>713380087
>work is about what's convenient for the employee

>>713380316
>working overtime to devalue and deboonk the evidence
>that he himself brought up in the convo
Your yiddish behavior holds no bounds

>>713380272
artists use modern tools like pressure sensitive tablets, photoshop/illustrator, other apps, can undo mistakes with ctrl+z...how is AI worse?

could original artists unto a paintbrush stroke with a keyboard?

>>713354917 (OP)
Oblivious, dare I say retarded anons think Sakurai is being honest here while the only thing that matters to them is "line must go up", which is going to be achieved by "less effort higher prices", which Nintendo is already leaning into.

I am yet to meet an intelligent person who is pro-AI and at this point I firmly believe I never will. You just don't get why it was developed in the first place.

>>713380875
Nice bait

>>713380875
>could original artists unto a paintbrush stroke with a keyboard?
They could by painting over it.
YOU can't "unto" your typo though lmao.

>>713354917 (OP)
>how do we make everything smaller, work less while making the customers pay 100 dorrars

at some point even the browns will wake up to the horrors of corporatism

>>713355220
So to be a little blunt about it: team sizes and budgets keep getting bigger. This means that games need to be massively successful to be worth the ROI.

Games are not really allowed to be modestly successful anymore. The economics don't work. And the trend shows no sign of slowing down. At some point, we are going to come to a breaking point where something will have to give. We're already, frankly, starting to see the cracks. If a game doesn't do amazingly, it's a flop that's costing the company a lot. Staff who aren't actively working on a major project are getting laid of rapidly.

It's also why people convinced you that games being $70 was acceptable. Why they're currently trying to convince you that $80 is acceptable. And why they're trying to float the idea of games being $90. Because that's one of the few ways this system can sustain itself.

You'll also notice something: a lot of the best games coming out are made by small teams. Because it turns out that throwing more developers at a game doesn't actually make it better. It just makes it cost more.

AI can be an amazing boon to game development as long it's used in an assisted role and the people using it are extremely skilled.

People don't like it because 99% of their exposure to AI is the lowest sloppa possible.

It's like hair wigs. You only ever notice the bad ones.

The final nail in the coffin for gaming.

We're done here. All we'll have are retro games now

>>713381215
bait how? you can fuck up 100 times on a canvas and ctrl+z it away. you cant do that with a paintbrush and oil paints.
>but MY cheating with a computer is valid, AI bad!

AI trained on an artist can be 1:1 with their future work, how can it be slop if it's identical to their past artstyle?

>>713381597
just because it can be doesn't mean it will be
go look at the dall-e general right now and tell me if you think the target audience even WANTS it to resemble real art

>>713381497
I could live without games but the fact that every facet of entertainment will be outsourced to browns operating AI, that's the end of humanity as we know it, unironically. It seems we have outlived our natural point of death as a species because everything past this point is gonna be pure deterioriation.

>>713381664
people are only mad at AI cause someone can do what they can do, much faster. it's jealousy at technology.
>MY art is better
how though? i've seen tons of garbage patreon art.

>>713380981
Apparently the tone of the interview in Japanese was more about him lamenting the fact that AI might be a viable option rather than an endorsement.

>>713381518
You talk as if using an eraser on pecil, white ink on ink, or overpaint on dried paint is cheating. What next, rulers are cheating too?

>>713364786
Kid, I've been around for a long time. I've been told that fucking everything is the future. Every new gimmick that comes along is the inevitable future that we need to get on board with. 3D television, Game streaming, VR, NFTs, crypto in general. And that's just things that are in recent memories. I have lost track of how many things, both in technology and not, that were supposed to change the world and then evaporated into nothing after a quick moment in the sun.

AI, thus far, is proving itself to be a gimmick. A bunch of technology with dubious use cases and far too much VC funding. If AI isn't crashing and burning in a few years, I'd be fucking shocked. And that's even before you factor in something like the house of mouse fucking destroying every LLM for copyright infringement.

>>713380697
I'm not the one debunking it, he did it himself by blatantly stating that it was always meant to be a fighting game on his youtube channel multiple times

>>713354917 (OP)
So not only do they increase price by 20 bucks while diminishing physical products, they also reduce employees with AI.

>>713381787
It's not a viable option though, I don't doubt at some point Sakurai was a creative but every single one of those guys become corporate drones eventually. You either die a hero...

>>713380875
There's no way you think having the ability to undo your last move is the equivalent of having a computer randomly generate an entire drawing

>>713381960
How do you think the line will go up if not by cutting costs AND increasing the price? Be ready to pay 100+ dollars for games that barely resemble human touch

>>713381976
Well if he's lamenting that it's an option for devs now I doubt he'll ever choose to use AI himself. He might be whatever but the dude is a workaholic that would rather show up to work with an IV attached than miss a deadline. I can't see him ever being content with sloppa, but he's not going to live forever.

You will play the games not made by humans, you will enjoy them and enjoy not owning anything and be happy.
That's it basically.

>>713381817
ctrl+z is cheating far more than any AI could ever be. i've seen art streams where people draw the same line 20 times and undo it.

but AI tools are somehow "not art"?

Can someone experienced tell me how exactly AI helping you with anything beyond simple queries like questions and chats work? I only use GPT chatbots sometimes and don't use it for work. Like, what goes into using it for automation?

t. aspiring data analyst.

>>713382107
>but the dude is a workaholic that would rather show up to work with an IV
don't tell me he did this?
Japanese are so fucking stupid.

>>713354917 (OP)
A lot of you retards don't understand what hes saying. There are lots of ways to automate things that would normally be massive time sinks and you can use it trained on your own art or processes.

Say I had a bunch of background tiles i've created, but I need more, or need some more variety. I can have ones made up from previously made ones, that still look fresh.

Or for doing in between frames in animation.

>>713382212
>what do you mean you can draw a line on a piece of paper, flip the pencil over, and use the eraser until you draw the line right? that's cheating

>>713382271
> Sakurai: That sounds rough. When you’ve got symptoms like food poisoning, you definitely have to go to the hospital, right? I’ve had that situation once or twice before during development. It was like I got food poisoning from some oysters that I didn’t eat.

>Even though you hadn’t eaten any. (laughs)

>Sakurai: It was like my food had come into contact with them or something. But I cook my food thoroughly… Why did I get sick?

>Uh, so… Do you take some time off when that happens?

>Sakurai: No, I don’t. I just get an IV drip and go to work like normal.

Nigga will drop dead during development of Smash 8 (or some Kirby spinoff). It's inevitable.

>>713376425
i want everything you love to be destroyed

>>713382430
obviously generating a Miku in 3 seconds is not the same as drawing by hand, but most artists are using digital tools just like AI to create art. So why the elitism?

>>713382367
You say that but deep down you know exactly what AI is going to be used for, which is almost anything. The only human input will be that of correcting glitches and other mistakes that are too obvious even for the braindead masses.

>>713382586
because they're not even close, your argument is since they're both used on the computer they're the exact same, it's like saying watching a video game playthrough on youtube is the same as playing it on your PC since they're both done on the computer

>>713382674
You're arguing with someone who thinks ordering food makes you a chef, it's a wasted effort.

>>713382212
I don't even understand how you are comparing undoing something to generating an entire image without doing a single thing.

>>713382586
>why the elitism
Oh no, not the Twittertard argument...

>>713382674
I think artists that copy manga/anime and sell their derivative work for profit is much worse than AI art for no profit, desu.
>pay me for my designs ripped off from this show!

>>713382736
youre right, because now they're arguing fanart is a bad thing

>>713382961
fanart is fine, patreon artists monetizing the work of other artists is much worse than AI art. Most "AI slop" is just for fun and not monetized.

>>713383116
you could say the same thing about AI artists that have 500+ people paying them on patreon to click a button, there's an innumerable amount of people on deviant art, twitter, 4chan, reddit, etc that make fanart for no monetary gain

>>713382470
>I just get an IV drip and go to work like normal.
An IV drip doesn't *do* anything unless in the context of a hospital where that is your nutrient intake.
Fucking retard. Dramatic like a high school girl.

Wait a minute. Sakurai. SakurAI. He was always in support of AI. It was staring us in the face but we've been ignoring it for far to long.

>>713383116
AI is used for monetization even by corporations, but the monetization changes nothing. Also, don't you find rather sad this... Death of human creativity?

>>713383303
Sakurai
Soccer
What could this mean?

>>713383278
computers allow even dumb people to do very complex things, why are "real artists" so mad at AI gen or models?

if their art is so much better, surely it isn't a threat to them. right?

>>713383116
have to agree with you
same with scalation groups that make you pay for a translated chapter of a manga or manwha

>>713383472
Well if 10 people generate hundreds of images in a second and start flooding all the gallery websites with them, then it kinda becomes a problem for everyone, don't you think?

>>713383449
a good artist can *use* AI to make even more cool stuff. or rapidly conceptualize ideas. AI isn't bad, it's a way to save time on stuff. Or to create, even if you aren't the best artist ever, you can make neat things if you learn the basics.

>>713383472
You don't need to be an artist to hate, and also it is a threat for being cheaper, it doesn't even need to be good. It's all to generate and consume more, with an higher cost in resources. It's sad...

>>713354917 (OP)
He's on the right path but AI isn't a one size fits all solution, and it's not going to solve the actual problem with big corporatized game development.

>>713383653
not really related to your comment but one of my worries with people who focus so much on AI usage as they're learning art is, why would they ever be incentivized to learn the intricacies of art? like, learning proper perspective or anatomy or gesture or composition is the most un-fun thing there is, but if you don't actually know how those things work, aren't you just relying 100% on the AI hoping it does it right?

>>713383449

No, because creativity is still required to output anything worth a shit with AI. If you don't have an understanding of how to use the tool and how to critically evaluate what it produces you'll get low effort slop, just like any other medium.

>>713383885
well technology changes everything: you learn math in school but a computer can calculate stuff a million times faster, are you going to calculate stuff on paper once you have tools after finishing school?

besides, AI is a tool: if you take a good artist and give them AI gen tools (like img2img) they can make incredible stuff. Computers exist to improve productivity or make better work, so why not use them?

>>713354917 (OP)
>large scale game development is becoming too time consuming and unstable.
So downscale, dipshit.
People have made amazing video games with a team of less than 10 people and a fraction of today's budgets.

>>713378108
t. seething poojeet

>>713354917 (OP)
>even the Japanese have kneeled to AI
You boys ready for new slop kino?!

why would you spend 10 hours designing something basic in code when AI models can do that basic work for you, leaving you free to do harder, more complex work? That's why AI is good. Creative people using AI are still creative.

>>713384175
They do teach you to do hand-math in school still though, the point being you should inherently understand how or why something works before using a tool to simplify it

also I've always wondered, what exactly would an AI artist (the ones who hide they use AI) do if people wanted them to live stream or show their drawing process? or do something like drawing alongside another person live?

the future of the gaming industry will literally belong to whatever studios figures out the best way to utilize AI in games. some of the most popular games of all time are games with semi-randomized generated content and also games that easily allowed for modifications and custom content.

think of how popular diablo was for its replay-ability due to its randomized maps. think of how popular elder scrolls games are due to their pseudo living world full of peculiar ai npcs/mobs. think of how popular minecraft was simply because of how it generated unique maps. think of how popular games like warcraft 3 became because of its map maker and modability.

AI can amplify all of this and make emergent gameplay and custom/personalized content no one can even think of yet. just wait till some genius autists figure out some new great gimmicks that utilize AI. we're already seeing the rumblings of it.


of course 95% of "AI" talk is bullshit, but there is also undeniably huge potential there for content generation. especially in regards to the 'machine learning' rudimentary AIs we have right now.

there will be a game that will be THE game that demonstrates AI's value. a minecraft/warcraft/zelda/mario/tetris/wii sports/pokemon tier game that will change how people think of AI in games. it will happen eventually.

>America and Japan are becoming nationalists and isolationists
>Both are moving towards robots and AI
Nationalist bros, we won

>>713380875
>manually doing something you like yourself
vs
>telling a robot to do it for you
Gee whiz, I wonder what the difference is here. Do you also claim you played a game yourself despite only watching a streamer do it?

>>713354917 (OP)
I knew HACKurai was desperate when Ultimate turned out to be shit but this is ridiculous

>>713384652
No I just say the game is shit and not worth my time.

>>713354917 (OP)
hey
what if
listen
what if we
like
what if
WE DIDN'T MAKE HUGE GAMES AND JUST WENT BACK TO PS2 GRAPHICS YOU STUPID FUCKING FAGGOTS NOBODY CARES ABOUT UNREAL ENGINE 5 SLOP KILL YOURSELF INDUSTRY

>>713384392
>Creative people using AI are still creative.
Well people will split on this into the Pro AI and Anti AI camps.
You will see the Pro AI camp will just at first go the route with these "creators" in their campaign for AI-Assisted game development. Then gradually they will replace even the ones using AI since they are just automata that put instructions into a black box. Then we will have full on ai game development and you won't be able to tell since it will be all assumed to be AI assisted as that became the norm long ago.

AI should be doing the shit that's otherwise getting farmed out to chinamen or jeets.

>>713384312
kek

>>713384814
This, it's a return to nationalism. Something that's much needed in this world today.

>>713384392
>That's why AI is good
And how about the energy cost of using AI? This cannot be sustained.

>>713354917 (OP)
They are already using it, even if it's for something simple as a brick texture.
Even Photoshop has AI tools nowadays.

>>713384431
They'd shit their pants and look for any excuse to avoid showing their process.

>>713381902
>Kid, I've been around for a long time.
Mid-20s isn't a "long time", lad.

Can't wait for Smash 6 with nu-DK, all the Mario characters redubbed, Jonesy Fortnite, some gacha whore, and AIslop

>>713381486
You're right. Ai itself is an amazing tool. Problem comes from the user themselves. Just look at the stable diffusion or Ai slop threads at trash. Such terrible ai artwork, but in the hands of someone not in their late 40s and has a half way functioning brain, you can create some amazing things. Ai just attracts the biggest retards.

>>713354917 (OP)
AI is just another tool. Whether it's good or bad comes down to how it's being used. If AI lets devs generate more content with less work then we the consumers get more game for less money.

>>713385071
It was obvious from the start that they'd never be able to top Ultimate, so why even look forward to the next one?

>>713357119
>>713366376
>>713376693
So, I'll break it down, he's saying that indies, AAs, Nintendo, and Valve are the future and the AAA industry will collapse?

>>713384431
I did all the integrals and derivatives in school. Now I can use a computer to calculate things way faster. But I know how math works through learning it. Same with AI art, you learn ideas and concepts then use PC tools to make new stuff.

>>713381902
Don't have to look too far of all the gimmicks considered "the future". Just look at all the failures Google has created. It's a long fucking list. Half of them I've never even heard of.

>>713385209
>for less money.
Imagine being this retarded and naive lmao

>>713385209
>implying they're not just gonna charge $70-$80 anyway

>>713384431
>the point being you should inherently understand how or why something works before using a tool to simplify it
Yeah before you use that washing machine you should spend at least a year washing shit off your underpants by hand. Why? Because... you have to!!

>>713385209
Did you not read my post you stupid nigger?
>>713384747

It will be hijacked the moment people accept it, you shitbricks for brains looney toonzass monkey.

>>713385370
False equivalent, would expect nothing less from a retarded poojeet, who shits his pants too apparently.

>>713385209
You guys who are saying games would cost less if AI is widely utilized are really naive and dare I say retarded unfortunately

>>713381739
Humanity is literally outsourcing itself to machines and people are clapping. This literally feels like the premise of some classic dystopian sci-fi novel.

>>713385252
>It was obvious from the start that they'd never be able to top Ultimate
better gameplay, less trash content and fire emblem.

>>713385507
False how? Here's another one: learn to produce fire using no tools before you start to simplify the task with tools and gadgets. Put down that lighter, you did not tame fire in the wilderness yet, you are not qualified. I can keep going, it's not hard.

>>713385654
your examples are pretty shit, a better example would be car parts
you could go your whole life never knowing how a car works and just taking it to a mechanic, and never in your life do you need to know how a car works, but you would also never know if they fucked something up or are overcharging you

>>713354917 (OP)
I won't buy it.

AI is a tool like any other. Like with most apps, idiots may be able to use it, but smart people using AI can make incredible things. Like photoshop, or any other app.

>>713355528
I wonder whose behind it..

>>713385071
>some gacha whore
yes please

>>713385535
>Humanity is literally outsourcing itself to machines and people are clapping.
People go to their job and do worthless busywork that doesnt actually provide value to humanity.
Is that what you want? More busywork, more middlemen, more absolute worthlessly spent effort?
The status quo?

We are in for some interesting times, whether luddites want to acknowledge it or not.

>>713354917 (OP)
That's Elliot Page

>>713385854
No, that's an example of a completely different thing and you're an idiot. The car is not a tool to simplify building car, it's a tool to simplify getting from point A to point B. And according to this guy >>713384431
"you should inherently understand how or why something works before using a tool to simplify it", in this case you should inherently understand how or why getting from point A to point B works before using, a tool that simplifies it which is a car. See, you're dumb as shit aren't you, can't even read

>>713386040
There's nothing interesting about things being worse while costing more, I understand the need to cope but we need to be real with what's actually going on.

>>713386087
so you're arguing that in school we shouldn't even teach math since you can just ask ChatGPT to do it for you?

>>713384431
I'd be interested to see a good AI artist's process. I've played around with Stable Diffusion and it's not as simple as just typing in some words and pressing a button. You slowly refine your output by fiddling with the workflow. Prompts, models, loras, image to image, masking, inpainting, etc. You have to learn how to operate the machine.

>>713386154
China has run blackout factories for years now, its created cheaper goods with higher QC.
People being butthurt over deviant are artists just want to stick their head in the sand.

We already outsourced coding to indians who literally have no clue what they are doing, some of the AI stuff out there is already better than they are.
You trying to save street shitters jobs, which are already gone, dead, and buried?

>>713386256
I feel like anyone who willingly shows their process of using a Lora of all things on youtube or twitter is asking to get blown up, like "yeah so first things first we find a specific artist we want to steal from"

>>713384957
You spend more time and energy drawing for 10 hours than an AI genning images in 5 minutes.

>>713386165
AI Chatbots should be used to teach the math, as opposed to a singular teacher who is stretched thin already.

>>713386445
>time
ah yes, let me instantly make something so I have more time to participate in consumerism

>>713385945
>x country needs immigrants in order to thrive
I fucking hate these delusional people so much

>>713354917 (OP)
>large scale game development is becoming too time consuming and unsustainable
While the products become less desirable. It’s incredible, really.

>>713386526
Go live in the woods then. No Internet, no electricity. Oh but you won't because you're a dekinai retard. Anyways enjoy importing even more browns than necessary into your country because you hate AI.

>>713386354
Clothes, electronics, even the quality of food is going down quite rapidly (considering it's been only 2 decades since the new millenium started), something like AI will only progress the deterioration process. You won't afford a house. You will wear bootleg-tier clothes while paying premium. Your phone will be a tracking device bombarding you with ads. Meat will cost a limb. But! At least you'll have your AI generated images that no one really cared about in the first place, and most importantly will never actually outperform talented, expert artists.

>>713361119
Dumb fucking nigger. Games these days graphically are orders of magnitude more complex, and when you take into account that many games for better or worse are open world and the increased amount of level design and assets needed to fill and detail that world. You should easily be able to see how it would take far more time to develop games.

>>713386751
easy to outperform the average talentless amerimutt actually.

>>713381383
wrong

>>713355220
https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/09/21/new-report-says-sonys-concord-cost-400-million-to-make/

>>713355220
A ton of games have already been made and already exist. To get consumers to buy new games anyway, they need to be bigger and look better. This means the cost has to keep going up forever.

>>713387228
>To get consumers to buy new games anyway, they need to be bigger and look better
is that even true? indie games sell for a fuckton and they often look worse and are smaller than AAA games

>>713381383
A certain team of ~20 white males disagree.

>>713387228
Its nintendo. Their brand power is so strong they can release whatever slop they want and people will buy it.

>>713387228
>A ton of games have already been made and already exist. To get consumers to buy new games anyway, they need to be bigger and look better.
Why can't they just buy the ones already made

>>713386751
You should go look up how much a pair of Doc Martins, Levis, and a New TV cost in the early 90s. Then you should remind yourself how much minimum wage was.

Levis literally cost half the price now, shipped my door same day.
You can complain about quality, but you wont complain about the sheer drop in price of cheap consumer goods.

If you want high quality goods, pay the price for them (like people did 30+ years ago)
I know you arent actually going to Levis and buying their premium Blue Tab jeans at $200+ a pair, bitch you are wearing costco jeans.

>>713387379
they can and that's a problem for the people who want to make money and are planning to do so via large expensive projects

>Stop using AI goy, instead import more 3rd world shitskins like a good goy
>That's why you should also not rely on machines too. Sub 2.0 fertility rate? Just import more jeets instead of becoming more reliant on machines to do the cheap labor!
And then the same retards are surprised at Japan still coasting on with a 1.2 fertility rate because they did exactly the opposite of what the globalists want while their shitholes are mutt/shitskin infested hell now.

>>713355220
YOU NEED OPEN WORLD GAMES WITH 8K GRAPHICS OKAY

>>713387721
>>Stop using AI goy, instead import more 3rd world shitskins like a good goy
or just don't make corporate open world slop that requires either AI or 50000 outsourced sweatshop devs to make.

>>713385535
>Humanity is literally outsourcing itself to machines and people are clapping.
So uh. How many childrens do you have? Zero? Shut the fuck up then.

>>713381383
The economics of modestly successful games does work. You said it yourself, a lot of the best games coming out are made by small teams and a lot of those games are profitable.
Its a boardroom politics thing, everyone wants a big project like Fortnite on their resume rather than 10 small scale modest games.
If anything the economics of 10 small games is better because it reduces risk.

How good is image generation at video game assets specifically when trained on them? Stuff like impact and special attack sfx.

>>713387317
A small team being hugely successful and profitable is evidence that the AAA games with massive teams and inflated budgets are stupid and unsustainable.

>>713365940
The correct one, you mean.

>>713381486
Have you considered that people inherently dislike it BECAUSE it removes the historical barriers to "creating" things and allows any retard to contribute to the 99% of AI content that is "the lowest sloppa possible"? It isn't just sex-obsessed losers on /v/ or Dunning-Kruger cryptobros on Twitter either; even massive corporations that have the resources and talent to develop worthwhile ideas are regularly trying to use AI to realize ideas that should have been shot down instantly.

I've seen some applications of AI that I like, but almost all of them are either for the purpose of humor or obscure backend applications that are rather mundane.

>>713354917 (OP)
This is mostly due to videogame deflation. Game prices continue to go down, meaning you either need more sales or fewer people making them because wages and benefits are the greatest cost to making games. Either you use AI or you get $80 games.

>>713388008
>>713387317
"large scale" corporate game development is unstable.
smaller scale indie doesn't face the money pit: unattainable returns ratio problem

>>713355104
3D animation has the opposite problem
The initial budget is fucking huge since competent 3D modeler/animators aren't cheap but the assets can be reused over and over again.
The initial game will always put you in the red so you have to rely on the sequels to turn a profit.

>>713378409
>They've been on this bean mouth shit for like the past few years and I don't know why.
Bro...it's been over a decade.

>>713385071
Smash DK will remain the same, Sakurai already took liberties with him and Bowser

>>713388731
>This is mostly due to videogame deflation. Game prices continue to go down, meaning you either need more sales or fewer people making them because wages and benefits are the greatest cost to making games. Either you use AI or you get $80 games.
If the production of games was stopped, and no one made a single game until the end of time, there would still be multiple lifetimes of games to play for each person that ever lives.

>>713386534
>delusional
They know exactly what they're doing.

>>713354917 (OP)
It can't code.
I'm sick of dealing with junior software developers who use GPT. The AI is so thoughtful it puts red squiggly lines in your code for you!
And I can't get them fired because one of the bosses told HR to get a boner everytime someone mentions AI.
You are writing a fucking login page, if you refuse to do that without GPT, go get a job in retail or in a kitchen washing dishes, where you belong.
And I don't even dislike GPT. I call my GPT "Gandalf" and he checks grammar, spelling and punctuation for all my emails and he's great at making them sound less hostile. But that's all he's good for.

>>713362239
>let me guess, you're poorfag playing only the low spec shit your toaster can run
I do CAD shit on my desktop lmao.

>>713387721
You're not fooling anyone Rajesh, the options aren't
>Hire Rajesh to completely fuck up the 3D modeling of all the assets
>Hire Rajesh to do the needful with The AIs to completely fuck up the 3D modeling of all the assets.

>>713388191
Much like the other stuff. If it has enough training data is will most likely be better than a human doing it. especially for SFX
If you make a lora for that stuff it will be just as good as any other lora/model out there

>>713361119
>Somehow the developers of olde did it
you are retarded

>>713389880
>It can't code.
Skill issue. Not even joking. Feels like you are just too old minded to know how to use those tools the right way

>>713357181
goy

>>713390301
Skill issue would be asking the AI to do the needful and steal you some code for something as basic as a character controller.

explain why I should care that "artists" are mad that I can make AI art. If you are threatened by it, then your art was shit in the first place.

graphicsfags are a blight on videogames
you are the reason every AAA title has an inflated budget

>>713354917 (OP)
Great. Now we have to listen to every tendie fluffing ai because nintendo said they’ll use it.

So how did they make games before AI

>>713355702
It's nintendo, retards will buy it no matter what.

>>713391385
I know right? I don't know what this dralw is supposed to be, did they really made images without AI? lol

>>713390779
Yes anon, the artists are transphobic of you identifying as an artist, and it's not literally everyone sick of you flooding everything with feces.

>>713391565
ive seen tons of garbage art on twitter well before AI art from tumblr retards.

>>713391931
The Point
You

>>713391565
>identifying as an artist
he didn't say he was, though?
only retards think it makes them an ACTUAL artist

>>713391565
>the artists
and why should I as a comp sci grad give a shit about these worthless idiots? 99.9% of them outside of a few people in japan/china/korea make anything of note.

>>713392938
>as a comp sci grad
The Point (Somehow)

.

Your Head

>>713392938
*don't make anything of note

i've seen COUNTLESS slop pieces on twitter from people making Tifa as a man or a troon, just because idiots post their shit online. AI should replace them all.

>>713354917 (OP)
nintendo smarr company. so smarr.

>>713393005
these shitty "artists" making patreon garbage feel threatened because a random person can AI gen higher quality art, as it's trained on ACTUAL good artists. This is why they bitch. AI is a threat to the shitty artists, not the great anime/manga artists for example.

Only mediocre retards are threatened by AI.

>>713393278
>not the great anime/manga artists for example.
One of the biggest manga makers in Japan said how scary it is that AI can replicate their style down to the singular line

Too many big games. Need to focus on new gameplay and ideas instead of bigger maps and gayer blacks,

>>713354917 (OP)
He’s not wrong about the development bloat. Some of the greatest games were made in 2-3 years. Mgs2&3, Diablo 2, AoE2, Halo 2 and 3, Majora’s Mask. The games coming out today taking 7 years are wasteful and run by incompetent people with no passion.

>>713354917 (OP)
and he's allowed to be wrong, most of the extra cost is developers overdoing the graphics for little to no gain, or adding open world to a fucking cart racing game.
Since they won't lower prices and will then fire people to start using this ai slop that means it's not worth money and piracy is always correct.
What is created for less money is worth less money.

i don’t understand what modern games are accomplishing besides adding more pixels and more empty, open world maps

>>713354917 (OP)
>gen ai
What a faggot. How about scaling back your polygon count, homo

>>713386761
>Dumb fucking nigger. Games these days graphically are orders of magnitude more complex
only because they keep adding unnecessary useless detail like "path tracing" and other stupid lighting gimmicks. Double Dash was the last good mario kart and that's barely a step up from 64. Everything after has added nothing worthwhile, nothing interesting, has improved nothing and simply been a worse game.
These choices they make that create the problem are due to the companies themselves being bloated and filled with idiots.

>>713381383
>Games are not really allowed to be modestly successful anymore.
yes they doh.
>The economics don't work.
for the purposes of the jewish stock market and private equity tards only.
Drop dead.

>>713377687
rude

>>713393396
it wont replace anyone, you still need talented artists and people to make attractive art. some random idiot can't replace the best manga artists or whatever.

>>713362803
Some games from decades ago still end up with more people playing then than the latest AAA flop.

>>713354917 (OP)
https://twitter.com/Stealth40k/status/1936888173327433860

>>713374278
People are getting dumber and are only in it for a paycheck. Novel solutions to hard problems are being replaced with lazy solutions instead. Games look the same as a decade ago but need hardware 4x as powerful.

>>713355080
>I agree though if you are cutting time,costs and man power I expect the same for prices.

>>713354917 (OP)
>Both CHADkurai and CHAD Carmack are on the AI hype train
Tick tock artlets.

>>713355106
>jobs go away
>most people no longer have opportunities to earn money and they become destitute
I'm so glad we have these time saving tools

>>713395062
I'm an accelerationist so anything that brings our civilization closer to the brink of destruction is fine in my book.

>>713354917 (OP)
I'm starting to think that the worst thing about slopping will be if it staves off another crash.

I agree that large scale game development is unsustainable but I think project scope should be lowered instead of AI being used. Most games don't benefit in any meaningful way from their massive budgets and development
teams
I'm okay with AI being used to save time on busywork (although I don't want those jobs to disappear) but I don't want it used for anything creative. I have no interest in playing games that make significant use of AI.

>>713386761
>Games these days graphically are orders of magnitude more complex
maybe they shouldn't make them that complex if it takes them so long :)

>>713395293
Maybe it's good in the long run but it is going to be a rough ride and the faggots who have ruined things to this point are going to be 100x more faggoty before they go away

>>713383449
Humans are a resource that exists to be consumed. They have no higher purpose beyond that.

>>713395709
look at this edgy faggot thinking he's profound

>>713395709
Shalom

>>713359383
fighting game but the controls are actually intuitive instead of made-up. Makes people mad when you say it though, maybe because they could have been having fun instead of memorizing a table and wondering why nobody is playing them.