Thread 713360616

>>713360616 (OP)
the absolute STATE

>>713360616 (OP)
was he the same guy who said they couldn't make HD towns back in the PS3 generation?

arent they making like several games at once like sega? its why pso2 is also starved. the studio 3 guys are working on jet set radio, super game, etc.

>>713360616 (OP)
>Kojima and YoshiP are two of my favorite devs
>/v/ shits on both
Feels good to be a patrician

>>713360616 (OP)
remember when ffxiv cultists were jerking this guy off like the second coming of Christ?

>>713360761
>pos2
if you mean ngs they simply never gave a fuck from the start, they figured their moneymaker were the mentally retarded whales buying scratch tickets every weeks anyway.

>>713360830
>favorite devs
>they make terrible games
hmmm

>>713360830
>movie game man and MMO man
You're a pleb

>>713360616 (OP)
keep paying your sub to keep your house though lol

>>713360916
>>713360925
I don’t regard the opinions of subhuman slime.

>>713360876
They still are lol. But I think it's definitely split 50/50 now

>>713360876
I remember trying FFXIV 2.0 for 10 minutes and wondering why I was playing a shitty clone of wow with 3.5 gcd and loading screens every steps. Apparently turning a trash bin into a mcdonald makes you a genius.

>>713360616 (OP)
When he said cost he wasn't talking about monetary cost he was talking about the cost of committing time and a team to doing those things. Which is equally embarrassing.

>>713360616 (OP)
Thanks for the thread, maldy-kun.

>>713361089
ah yes, labour famously does not incur monetary costs

>>713361089
but that's the same shit, manpower has a monetary cost. If you're short staffed that's because you don't have the budget.

>>713360887
the sega super game project has been in the works since 2020. ngs came out in 2021.

>>713361089
>I cant tell my team to priortise important things first! instead, we'll do useless things that make no sense like talking about pixels for 15 minutes!

>>713361204
>>713361196
SE obviously has the money to afford the cost of the labor but they aren't willing to do it.

>xhe got filtered by an alliance raid
kekarooooo

>>713361089
>have the tools to make the game
>have the devs that know how to use them
>sorry we can't make hats or hairstyles work with vierra or hrothgar
>too expensive please understand
>takes modders an afternoon

>wowbucks are still losing to THIS
KEKAROOOOOOO

>>713361489
You will lose, xivvy.
We have the power of tolerance and mercy on our side.

>>713360830
Sounds like you should be on /tv/.

What happened? I haven't played since the end of EW

>>713361662
bad expansion msq and malding vengeful wowfags

>>713361662
nothing, the game just keeps spiraling further down the toilet like it has since 6.1

>>713361662
midcore players finally get content and they bitch hard that its too hard and cliquey like actual raiding.

>Try to swing at the king
>Miss
>become DOA

MANY
SUCH
CASES.

>>713361769
>midcore players finally get content and they bitch hard
What else is new?

>>713361575
I hold the power of racism, which is alive and strong in Eitherys despite prominent figures' best efforts.

>>713361662
Really subpar expansion MSQ but overall the content has been good. The issue is there are these frankly embarrassing issues that keep popping up on top of the ongoing memes like no Viera hats. For example there is new content on the moon that is like the Firmament where you can do crafting and gathering missions. For some reason the gathering missions do not refresh your GP when you complete one. You 100% need a full GP bar to finish these missions with the maximum rating, so you're forced to sit around for 5+ minutes between each mission waiting for GP to refill/Cordial to refresh. Yoshi-P admitted in the latest LL that they just didn't consider this being a thing that could happen but now we have to wait until AUGUST to get it fixed. Something that should be hotfixable within the week if not the day.

>>713360616 (OP)
When did he say that?

>>713361769
midcore has always been a meme term

>>713361918
recent interview

>>713361089
He had 6 years to evaluate why Baldesion Arsenal was bad design, and he doubled down and put out Forked Tower which is even worse. He has no fucking idea what he's doing, what players want, and what the game needs. The content cycle has been stale since Stormblood, nobody is left that knows how to weave the shit code in innovative ways. The best thing for FFXIV at this point is to just let it die. The game's been bad since Endwalker but it took until Dawntrail for people to wake up. Cut the losses, keep it on maintenance mode, and make FFXVII as a 3rd FF MMO/multiplayer live service title from the ground up.
FFXIV is an embarrassment at this point.

>>713361769
>get asked to make Bozja 2 or Eureka 2
>make an unholy conglomeration of both but do literally every single part of it wrong
Square employees aint what they used to be.

>>713361852
>the king
?

>>713361769
>midcore players finally get to grind the same 10 fates over and over for the next 8 months while the capstone of occult crescent is a savage raid that's impossible to queue into and they really be out here complaining...

yeah it's a known fact squenix barely re-injects any of the money FF14 makes them

>>713361991
Why can't you let it go and just let the people playing it play it?
>i-it needs to die because i dont like it anymore and i need my feelings to be validated

>Enter thread about XIV
>"MuH WOW WOWFAGS ARE OBSESSED WOW IS WOKEEEEEE"

Hmm.. curious

>>713361853
>>713361996
just another day in ff14. gotta please everyone but you cant.

>>713361950
>>713362024
its people who dont want to commit to a static but at the same time dont want pug tier brain drooling.

China won

>>713361852
more like queen (male)

>>713362024
>savage raid
>savage

>>713362097
>gotta please everyone but you cant.
LITERALLY all they had to do was make the FATEs, CEs and instanced content work the same as Bozja and it would have been praised and made the playerbase cum all overthemselves.
But they looked at every facet of Bozja and went
>how can we do this, but change it in a way that's fucking retarded?

If they didn't have the budget to make a normal mode and a savage mode, then they should have just made a normal mode like CLL that the average player can actually engage with, and added the savage mode later. Instead, they chose to just release a savage mode with no normal difficulty and an awful queue method, so the content is completely 100% dead on arrival. Only 400 clears globally three weeks after content launch is a full on disaster

>>713360876
>>713360989
You faggots are literally the only ones making threads about this faggot

>>713362097
It's like grinds.
>I want a grind but I need the grind to be as short as possible for me so I don't need to put in work but it has to take months for everyone else so I Can get my dick hard.

>>713362141
Dancing Green is a glorified extreme fight.

>>713361704
>>713361728
>>713361769
>>713361912
What happened to the ShB writer? Is she fired? Sad to see the game decline

>>713360830
Kojima is still making good games. Yoshi-P is Todd Howard-tier at this point.

>>713362270
You can't be this shit at the game, I swear to god. The fight is easy as piss. 90% of it is "stand on either the left or right.

>>713362141
Yeah? You don't think savage raids are hard, do you? Are you the retard who can't do spotlights?

>>713362303
She got promoted to a supervisory position. She may be a good writer, but she is clearly not a good writing supervisor

>>713362303
She was "promoted" into a position of near-irrelevance, and the main writer role was given to a notorious hack instead.

>>713362303
She did well so they promoted her to a position that has nothing to do with her original one. Y'know, the thing she did well.

>>713362097
>gotta please everyone but you cant.
They could have if they'd just reskinned Bozja, but instead the people designing OC apparently were unaware that Bozja even exists and did a half-assed Aldi version of Eureka that doesn't even have a satisfying grind or cool logos actions and that doesn't let you queue into fucking BA because the player limit in each instance is too low to accommodate a premade alliance.

>>713362320
How did you infer that from my post? Dancing Green doesn't do anything, it's on the tier of an EX.

>>713361662
The latest Live Letter, which has become a complete debacle.

>>713360616 (OP)
I wonder, why doesn't this thread get instantly deleted unlike the live letter threads?

>>713362241
Isn't that just the average audience for ffxivdiscussion? Hardly riling anyone up when that's the core of that entire cesspit.

>>713362486
i thought it was common knowledge that XIV only existed to fund SE's endless flops

>>713362327
That was my reaction to anyone who claims that Forked Tower is savage tier.

How can you tell me after a year ago when I heard and saw in person the plans for the future of the game when I left that media tour optimistic about the future of the game (In spite of my ex fiance using this as an opportunity to once again crush my heart/soul the night before the actual event lol). I literally got no sleep that night and spent the night/morning crying in the hotel room before I went downstairs for the bus with the rest of the media tour group.

Actually fuck it no one will read this deep. That media tour left me so optimistic it helped me with the mental beatings and outright abuse my ex fiance did to me.

You know that bitch, Brendan, drove all the way from the townhouse filled with tens of thousands of dollars of my property he's stolen from me to this day all the way to L.A. and hunted me down like I was a fucking animal? And then when I flew back to Canada between airports he lashed out at me again and caused me in an airport to break down crying? After THAT BITCH hunted me down like I was some kind of animal.

Yeah FFXIV and the optimism for FFXIV I had from that media tour helped me push forward. That's how optimistic I was.
And for anyone who hasn't been cheated on, had tens of thousands of dollars of property, had their work auth in the USA lost and them sent back to Canada unable to move to San Diego after landing a 220k/year job and needing to decline that cause "lul work auth", and then experienced mental abuse from their ex fiance tormenting them with the most VICIOUS shit ever-- THAT IS A FUCK TON OF OPTIMISM. And I wouldn't wish the absolute BARRAGE of brutality I experienced on anyone else.

I only say that PURELY to showcase how optimistic I Was about FFXIV after the media tour. AKA: VERY VERY VERY MUCH.

So how the fuck are we a year later talking about development costs? How the fuck? What the fuck? That's my genuine reaction.

>>713362601
I wonder for how much longer its gonna even be able to keep itself funded.

>>713362564
because the blizzard cultists are already here smearing their shit on the walls. these threads are only allowed to live when blizztroons are dliating loudly to prevent actual discussion

>>713360616 (OP)
Just fuck my shit up

>>713362657
It is savage tier, though. Magitaur is 100% a savage level fight.

>>713362564
Because wowjanny likes shitpost threads and loves his angry wowgremlin minions spamming the same rote images and straw-posts ad nauseam.
Maybe they should worry about their own game, though. Current patch is tolerance and diversitycraft, and next patch is recyclecraft.

>>713362684
Anon, until it drops below ARR/HW leveles, it'll still be profitable, just less so.

>>713362736
>It is savage tier

>>713361662
They released a raid tier without a Normal difficulty, and when asked why the lead developer said they don't have the resources to have the full array of difficulty levels available due to lack of development funds. Naturally, this went over quite well with the playerbase.

>look at the sub drop it's definitely dying it's over
>it's back to ShB pre-wowfugee/covid/shadowlands exodus numbers
Chilling.

>>713362684
considering a large portion of the playerbase uses this game to mod it into an ERP chatroom i'm not sure the devs can do anything to get these "people" to quit

>>713362860
Yeah? It is. What do you think savage is?

>>713363085
Correct. There are enough mazed players that FFXIV can coast for the next 5 years without losing most of their paypigs.

The XIV dev team got too comfortable, they fell into the same trap that other MMO devs get into where they are too detached from their players and too big to do anything efficiently. I wonder if the Yoshi-P who was there during ARR patches would be screaming at his future self right now.

>>713360830
Kojima has made lots of kino, is pretty consistent. YoshiP is a one trick pony as far as I’m concerned.

>>713363073
That's just because wowie zowie e-celebs like Zepla gaslighted everyone into review bombing.

>>713363085
Easy. The XIV devs just need to go nuclear on mods and modding tools. Say goodbye to the modbeasts keeping this game afloat.

>>713361275
they literally dont
they been funding shitty flops over and over again using all the profit they made from XIV

Is this because WoW's next patch is looking shitty?

It's been four or so years that I'm not playing this game, so I'm incredibly out of the loop, but I need to ask: Who the hell is Wuk Lamat and why this character presence always bring controversy to FF XIV threads?

What they should have done is combined the gather/crafter and combat content into one full, focused package. A large "living" instance with hundreds of players, with gatherers, crafters, and combatants all working for a single goal. Battlers claim and defend land allowing gatherers to access new materials, which in turn allow crafters to create upgrades, fortifications, and other things to support the rest. Battlers get stronger to let them fight new bosses, or devices crafters make to draw them out. Gatherers get resources, and the cycle repeats. FATEs for every role, sometimes multiple. Eventually you take over the whole zone over several hours, unlocking a raid. Everyone can contribute to the raid regardless of role, with crafted consumables and role abilities being vital to success. Gatherers directly contribute via the environment, like clearing rubble or cutting roots or catching fish to distract adds with extra action buttons. No role is set, swap when you want. Do what you want. You contribute? You're useful. You clear the raid, and everyone gets rewards.

What's so hard about that, truly? Space exploration? Each new field instance is a different planet. Just fucking try something new.

>retards asking the same loaded questions with the same replies given
Don’t you niggers get tired of this? It’s been going on from the start of DT.

>>713362103
How does the mobile version play?

>>713363402
>Who the hell is Wuk Lamat and why this character presence always bring controversy to FF XIV threads?
1. Shitty character that nearly everyone hates.
2. Le /pol/ antiwoke culture warriors (or just those impersonating them to shit on XIV) are fixated on the shitty character to the point of feigning meltdowns even when the character is not relevant.

>>713363301
why would they ever kill off their golden goose like that?

>>713362103
How does AoE and stuff work in this if you only have like 6 buttons?

>>713363396
It's because there was a disaster of a live letter two days ago.

>>713362451
bozyja was shit

Why can't SE bring more staff to work on FFXIV?

>>713360830
>I have bad taste
>/v/ shits on me
based retard

>>713361489
I understand denying reality is a staple for you troons but wow has never lost to your garbage no matter how much you attempt to rewrite reality, not even at its lowest.

>>713363402
Poochie

>>713360761
NGS's problem is that their director is a fucking retard, the game was doing far better when it was alreqdy in maintenance mode during EP6

>>713363396
no, it's because WoW's current patch is looking shitty. something about how pride in your heritage is bad and you need to be tolerant. but the next patch being reskins galore and discount ultima thule probably doesn't help

>>713363402
A very poorly written character that is the "main" lead of an expansion, in the English version she's voiced by a tranny. She's always on screen during the base MSQ, and even when she's not nearly everything still somehow revolves around her. It's like they took Homer's idea and made a FF character. Whenever Wuk is not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, "where's Wuk?"

>>713361852
>still seething about it 4 years later
The black trans queen of WoW really lost to this piece of shit game. Embarrassing

Do not forget chat, yoshi p promised 7.4 would include job changes to make combat have more depth a preview of 8.0s full reworks.

>>713363641
Too busy working on FFXIV mobile.

>>713363770
I'm sure THIS time it'll be great!

XIV has a core group of players now. The ERP modders will never quit. Hell if SE came out and said
>We're never going to patch the game again or make another expansion the game is finished
The ERPers and modders would still stay. They'd have minimum 500,000 people who will play regardless of content. Hell I had friends who used to sit in Limsa and they still haven't finished EW lmao. They legit just pay their sub to /beeknees and chat. It's crazy considering you can just chat to people on Discord for free

>>713363770
I don't think that ever happened.
Sauce?

>>713363859
discord is full of tranny groomers and children thoughever

>>713363965
It literally was one of the liveletters after 7.0 came out, i am not spoon feeding you

>>713363731
ngs has had a new director since v2 btw.

>>713361950
wow figured out the concept of midcore 15 years ago.

>>713363807
That's outsourced.

>we're finally adding chat bubbles!
>except it will only show the first 2 lines and truncate the rest
Why is there ALWAYS a fucking caveat like this?

>>713363807
That's being made by the chinese though.

>>713363770
>Yoshi-P said that a Dragoon rework would be coming in 6.1
>delayed the Dragoon rework to 7.0 because of how extensive it would be
>Dragoon did not get a rework in 7.0

>>713360761
Yes. But NEETs dont understand jobs.

>>713363997
So no source then.

>>713364026
You cant expect them to actually do a proper job do you? Bro doesn't remember hats or the two channel dye system lmfao

>>713362064
>>713363073
You’re the only one talking about WoW obsessed retard

I'm out of the loop, what was so bad about the liveletter

>>713363160
xe is the same kind of mongoloid who claim ultimate is easy, he can't fathom somebody else not being an autistic neet.

>>713363859
A virtual chatroom has always had a kind of appeal to it. Add housing and character customization and you have a social experience that's absolutely fine to be what you play for. The problem is that in regards to ERP and mods and all that trash, everyone has to be special. Special snowflake syndrome and cliques run rampant and nobody ever reins it in, resulting in worse snowflakes and modbeasts that NEED you to know that they're special and different. I engage with that side of the community to an extent, but it's insane how people just fester and become progressively worse.

>>713364124
Nothing. Haven't you experienced previous live letters? There's always some retard trying to go "OH NO NO NO IT WAS A TRAVESTY EVERYONE HATED IT HAHAHAHA IT'S DYING FOR REAL THIS TIME."
It happened for the 7.2 LL, it's happening for the 7.3 LL, and it will happen for 7.4 and 7.5 as well.

>>713364095
why do you lie?

>>713361489
>>713361575
>>713361704

>>713364124
Exactly what's in the OP. Yoshida said they didn't have the funds to make a normal mode of Forked Tower so instead they only made a savage version. People are livid.

>XIV players and game journalists have never had a real job in a large corporate environment
I've been saying this in XIV threads for months, XIV is nearing the end of it's "product lifecycle" wherein they know they're not going to get MORE subs/players in the future no matter what they do, so they wind down the resources they put into it. It has almost nothing to do with money you literal retards. XI has always been profitable, but it was put out to pasture, because its returns to the company had stagnated or started declining. They definitely have the "funding" to create more/new content, but they won't do it because it wouldn't bring more profit than they're making now, and they understand this because they're hardened old nips in their 50's and 60's, not overly emotionally attached trannies whose first MMO this is. This is how the game is wound down, you could see this from a mile away if you aren't a NEET manchild.

>>713364049
>>713364092
https://youtu.be/WSGdMv72ghI?t=4599
They are looking at job identity

>>713364197
Nah man it's toxic asf. All about using Mare to make your character look like a bimbo it's fucked up

>>713364341
They don't have a MMO successor ongoing.

>>713364392
"damn you were cute until mare ruined it"

>>713364418
I don't believe this. Ishikawa has to be working on something full-time. There's no way they just have her doing nothing else but supervising Dawntrail.

>>713364341
Oh well if it makes them more money then I guess I shouldn't be upset that my video game is getting worse. Thanks, frogposter!

>>713364341
XIV has been the most profitable product SE has had year over year what are you talking about

>>713364392
I told you faggots that they should have banned all mods and tools, but no you faggots loved to use the lovense vibrating prostate milking massager addon. You literally caused the downfall of 14.

>>713364418
Still has nothing to do with their decision to slowly wind it down. Will putting more money into XIV bring back more money for SE? If yes, put more resources into it. If no, keep the same amount in, and slowly pull resources as the returns slow.

>>713364031
>>713364010
https://youtu.be/lHdB0TunFgo?si=ufOPxK5o-w0AUqb-&t=190

>>713364525
My point is they don't have a currently successful MMO going to replace XIV.
And they're not killing XIV off to take a risk with a new MMO people might not even try to play like 1.0 XIV.

>>713364341
>actually it's good that old japanese boomers aren't supporting the game anymore despite it being their golden goose, have you ever worked in corporate before?

>>713364571
>I told you faggots that they should have banned all mods and tools,
Who do you think plays XIV? I can tell you it isn't normal adults with families. It's weirdo NEET 20-somethings with no social life and obsessed with gooning.

>>713364557
You're a stupid fuck:
>Will putting more money into XIV bring back more money for SE? If yes, put more resources into it. If no, keep the same amount in, and slowly pull resources as the returns slow.

>>713364341
>They definitely have the "funding" to create more/new content, but they won't do it because it wouldn't bring more profit than they're making now

>they start making less content, at a lower quality
>subs collapse and they make less money
hmmmmmm something's not adding up here

>>713364595
Supervision =/= development, retard-kun.

>>713364572
>Still has nothing to do with their decision to slowly wind it down.
They wound XI down because they have a successor in the mix, retard. They wanted to move people over to it.

Also, they definitely want new blood. Most of the veterans are quitting the game because there's nothing to do. New players will take a long time to catch up. New players are worth more than veterans who will sub for a month max.

>>713364647
>make a terrible expansion
>subs drop, start losing money
>the product is 15 years old
>slowly pull resources from it in response to less profits
Yes, that's exactly how it works. Stop letting this upset you because you like the game.

>hire americans
>game instantly goes to shit

Honestly what this shitty virtual novel deserves for getting cocky in 2021 and trying to trash an actually good MMO.

>>713364679
Ah, that means they actually don't have to take time out of their work day to go over what the chinks have been doing and do said supervision, right?

>>713364679
But it is supervision of SE's biggest title launch in 12 years, in the biggest market in the world, on the most popular platform in the world.

>>713364803
>You will never play Stormblood AST/SCH/DRK again
Feels bad man. The peak of job complexity. I remember with DRK you could pull entire dungeons worth of mobs and just use Syphon to leech all the HP back.

>>713364968
Blood Price + Abyssal Drain and Delirium spam was so fucking kino. Royal Road was so fucking kino. Take me back.

>game is dead
>bunch of fags can't stop talking about it
I dunno about this one.

>>713364794
>slowly pull resources from it in response to less profits
But the resources were clearly being pulled since EW, which was massively successful on launch. So which is it? Is their action of pulling funds from the game in response to the peak of its success, or is it in response to the game's failure?

>>713365058
>players are talking about the game in a negative light because they're upset and the managed decline is now undeniable
>but this means it's all fine because they're talking about it
We've had a 24/7 general on this board for years for a game that sold like 20 copies.

>>713365026
Getting AoE Balance was good for my dopamine, while curing, while DPSing. So much stuff to do that kept me busy on AST. But then they streamlined it because literal sub 80 IQ players couldnt handle it. Or you'd get those total retard hardcore min/max raiders who would moan about fishing for Balance because it made the fight 0.0001% faster.

Parsetrannies genuinely ruined this game.

>>713365176
desperate sweaty FUDing is the opposite of dying
sorry to tell it to you. your angst and attempts to tortanic this prove how frustrated you are that it's not going away

>>713365135
Anon yoshi p doesn't give a fuck about the game anymore, neither does soken, did you even see his face in all the live letters since endwalker? He just doesn't care. None of them do. They want to move on from 14 and it shows.

>>713362230
No there's a daily "ummm I never heard of this FF16 thing game but I tried it and WTF it's good???" thread made and populated by mindbroken yoshitpissing cultists

>>713365310
What a wonderful non-sequitur, thank you for the contribution

>>713365219
Theres still more job identity in pvp than in the fucking story.

>>713365281
I don't want it to go away, you retarded nigger. That's why I'm angry. Jesus Christ you're unbelievably stupid.

>>713365395
LARPing fag please OD.

>>713365370
I'm not her but she's right

Even its biggest simps are turning on the devs.

>>713365135
>But the resources were clearly being pulled since EW, which was massively successful on launch. So which is it?
I gave a simplified, more recent example that was easier for retards to understand. The decline probably started then, but saying that to rabid XIV trannies will make them so mad from denial rage that they'd shut their ears instantly. Even the more diehard cultists can't deny that DT was poorly received.

>>713365458
Yep, and it has nothing to do with the conversation I was having earlier

Still playing the game.

>>713365426
Oh yeah man you're right, I forgot that if you like and enjoy something then you should be celebrating when it gets put on a managed decline and funds are taken away from it and everything about it gets worse. That's what being a fan is all about, after all!
Walk into traffic, retarded nigger. You can't even prove you play this fucking game.

By the way SE is funneling profits from XIV to fund games like this instead of reinvesting into their flagship product. A game that will likely peak at around 1k players.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1598230/KILLER_INN/

>>713365507
>bla bla bla whine whine whine i'm a ragepig i'm going to dump my folders again because daddy never gave me enough attention
We know. That's been your shtick for.. what? 5+ years now?

>>713365483
But why would the decline start then, at the peak of the game's popularity? Why would they start pulling funds from the game when it had more players than ever before? How does that make sense for a corporation to do?

Why does this dogshit game still make WoWfags foam at the mouth?

>>713365503
>still giving head to futa highlanders in the back rooms of the the lavender beds
ftfy

>>713365058
DT could have been the most popular the game has even been and retards would still say it’s dying. Streams say it because they get paid and shitposters wants another TOR.

>>713365647
Because they felt attacked by it and it refuses to die.
Crying about it is also a good way to distract from the fact that their own patch is pozzed dogshit.

>>713365582
Prove you play the game.

>>713365673
>DT could have been the most popular the game has even been and retards would still say it’s dying.
People said XIV was dying in Shadowbringers and Endwalker.
Now they're saying XIV is dying because it's not as good as Shadowbringers and Endwalker.
And next expansion, there will still be people saying it's dying no matter how it's received. That doesn't ever change. The tardos here will always be pretending it's dying or dead.

>>713365594
same reason wow had less content during wraith of the lich king which was their peak: when analysts believe you're never gonna top the subs that you have then the next course of action to increase revenue is to cut development costs.

>Let's make DRS 2 with a worse than BA entry system in 72 man instances instead of 144
Ya sure, single digit percentage player participation with DRS with a queue system and everything so you make another one where people struggle to even enter the fucking thing.

XIV truly is definable as "Content so good, nobody plays it".

>>713364341
The problem isn't any of that. The problem is they need new content they can advertise to everyone. Not more of the same content but brand new content. Even WoW was able to bait in retards with scalie dragon races that can fly. XIV keeps focusing on already existing types of content and just making new versions of it; job reworks, another postgame mode, more raids, more quests to the same questlines. You want more people? You introduce new features. An autistic alchemy system, actual romance with side npcs instead of worrying how you can make shit work with current ones, new skills or new equipment types - the same shit that makes new people pop into a game.

Honestly at this point XIV would benefit just trying to recapture their lost players.

sandoria raid is gonna be fun. i wonder what boss we'll fight there first

>>713364641
>>Will putting more money into XIV bring back more money for SE?

Yes, you stupid fucking moron. That's the entire crux of the fucking issue. You may be the dumbest person on this entire website and that's saying a lot.

>>713365647
nobody is foaming beside you cultists, you're the equivalent of linux troons being convinced that windows user are jealous and mad at them when nobody even think about you.

>when faced by a choice, they would rather make a raid that is cleared barely 400 times in 1 month than a normal raid for people to actually use the shit they grind in OC
>but because DRS was too convenient to access and too many cleared it, they made the entrance conditions completely ass
Idk man, how can you be so fucking out of touch?

>>713365673
>Streams say it because they get paid
You keep making this claim but the fact is that during ShB and EW if any streamer whispered a negative word about the game they completely lost their audience. Streamers are only saying DT is bad now because the community settled on that opinion first. Streamers are downstream from the rest of the audience, retarded nigger. Don't make me go dig up clips of fucking e-celebs praising DT's story on launch week before they realized the winds had shifted.

>>713365802
It is dying, please consult the chart retard-kun >>713362684

>>713365851
I haven no 11 hype. Was part 1 good?

>>713365802
see >>713362684 >>713363073
If you wanna ignore the clear and demonstrable decline in players and player reception then that's on you. The true death won't be for another couple expansions minimum, but the dying has already begun.

>>713362103
Isn't the mobile version crashing in ratings because everything from aetherites to dyes requires you to pay?

Calyx is shale and the arcadion is a prison for an ascian I'm calling it

>>713365938
>it is dying
any day now, buddy
maybe if you folderdump 50 more times it'll shut down at the end of the week
i believe in you. ganbatte

My lust for femlala is unreal

>>713362314
He hasnt in over a decade and his last 2 games were massive shitshows

>>713365938
>luckybancho
Yeah, you're just retarded.

>>713365934
Who is you ? This is my first post you nigger, go back to rèddit

>>713366004
How do we check? Do they have an app store site where you can look at reviews?

>>713365885
>Will putting more money into XIV bring back more money for SE?
The answer to this question is no, it won't. Again, they understand the asmoncringe bump in subs was a one-time thing that won't ever be replicated, because they aren't trannies who have made the game their identify.

>>713365961
the fights themselves are pretty good. the VA for Prishe is a bit off imho but the Ark Angels and esp. the Shadow Lord are fantastic. there's an enormous amount of fanservice that seems to be targeted at FFXI players who quit around the time WotG came out

>>713366078
>it was accurate when the game was still growing, but now that the game is declining its inaccurate
You're coping hard little buddy,

>>713365895
>he says
>sitting in a xiv thread
>foaming at the mouth at xiv
Moshi moshi, retard-chan? Are the pills hitting too hard?

>>713365961
The fights are good but the presentation is fucking retarded and incoherent. It's just a mishmash of "MEMBA THAT?" with no rhyme or reason. You fight Prishe in Jeuno, then teleport to the Boyahda Tree to fight Fafnir, then teleport to Tu'lia to fight the Ark Angels, then teleport to Zhval to fight the Shadow Lord. It's the equivalent of fighting Ryne, then teleporting to Bozja to fight Lyon, then teleporting to teleporting to Final Steps of Faith, then teleporting to Praetorium to fight Gaius.

you can tell the game is really healthy and in a great state from all of the people talking about how much they're enjoying the game and not just arguing endlessly every thread

>>713366161
That's neat. I should pick it up when the next part releases. I liked the look of it, but I have 0 attachment to XI and thought the glams were kinda meh.

hey wowfags, check the catalogue, there's a thread up and you need to defend the honor of mutt orc wuk lamat

Btw, we don't have the resources for a normal mode. A normal mode that, realistically would just need to:
>remove the resurrection limits, instead, when the raid wipes you get a %- on the gold that drops in the normal version
>give people the ability to coordinate phantom jobs in the first room
>remove all body checks from the fights
>remove all the highly coordinated mechanics and replace them with personal mechanics that can fuck you, like phase 1 CoD Chaotic
You could plan that out in one day between two designer, have it implemented in 1 week and give it one week of playtesting if you already have the hard version. It is staggering this hasn't been done.

>>713360616 (OP)
I missed the live letter did they mention upcoming improvements to story re: wuk lamutt?
Only reason im skipping this cycle's relic grind, i dont want to work while suffering under the shadow of that weak MSQ

>>713366184
Their numbers have never been accurate.
>little buddy
Yeah we know it's you homestuck, go back to posting loli or /b/ or whatever degenerate thing you do when not dooming.

>>713363641
Because SE is full of morons and has created scenarios where teams have be moved off onto other projects I'm sure

>>713364124
Nothing really, but Yoshida said they had issues with 'cost' in regards to some things like babby mode for forked tower. He also specified that 'cost' did not actually mean money in this instance but captain retard here doesn't care

>>713366491
This is your cast for 7.3. Since this ends the Solution 9 and hopefully Tural arc, we won't see anyone except for the WoL any more.

>>713365895
lol

>>713366261
>you're foaming because you called my hypocrisy out!!!!
people like you are a cancer and keep dragging FFXIV and Linux down to your retardation and mediocrity.

>>713366491
Of course not. They have never once addressed the poor reception of the MSQ, and at this point it doesn't seem like they ever will

>>713366491
>I missed the live letter did they mention upcoming improvements to story re: wuk lamutt?
they never do
but she was hardly relevant or present in 7.2 so they'll probably carry that through to 7.3 if they have any sense

>>713362451
Be honest: if they just did a reskinned Bozja you'd be bitching about that too.

>level phantom ranger
>realize this is what BST will be

Lol calm down lil buddy

>>713362486
>people are complaining that there aren't EASIER versions of raids in FFXIV

lol what the fuck

>>713366643
You’re undeniably sitting in an XIV thread crying about it while saying WoW numba 1

>pander to raid trannies throughout ENTIRE EW expansion
>game dies
How unexpected.

>>713366367
This. /v/ never bitches about successful games nonstop. I bet no one can even name 3 examples. Okay, not counting Elden Ring, BG3, GTAV, Night Reign, Disco Elysium, FFXIV at any point in its history, nuDoom, BotW or TotK, Mario Kart, Smash, Oblivion Remastered, E33, Persona...fuck, running out of examples. Wait, KDC2, Cyberpunk, KH3, Stellar Blade.

At least I get a new Deep Dungeon in 7.3.

>>713366792
>while saying WoW numba 1
quote me saying that. Concession accepted.

>>713366758
The difficulty of the raid is just one complaint. Its also that the raid is also somehow MORE of a pain in the ass to access and even easier for random people to fuck up than BA was. This is actually a total step back from BA even though they don't have the excuse of not knowing better anymore.

>>713366615
>>713366647
>>713366648
Shame
Fucking abysmal yoship, i may not even decide to come back for PUP

>>713366836
>EW and DT
Casuals got fucked hard for 2 years now, while people like Xenos go on stream and say DT has been his favourite expansion since raiders like him get new savage content at almost every game update. Now they also turn the last Deep Dungeon fight into savage slop.

>>713366667
Be honest: you're a fucking idiot with no argument. I wanted Bozja 2. Why the fuck would I be bitching? Walk into traffic you absolutely retarded nigger ape.

>>713366758
Yeah, why would the team pander to these retards? They should take example on wildstar instead.

>>713366862
Kek.

>m-muh casual content
i thought /v/ hated casuals?

>>713366615
>we won't see anyone except for the WoL any more.

Erenville was around for almost all of Endwalker so I expect we'll still see him. I expect we'll still see Wuk Lamat too, seeing as she's the new main character of the story and all.

>>713366941
I enjoyed 7.2 MSQ and if 7.3 MSQ is as good, that'll be neat.

>>713367037
if you can't complete the normal difficulty raids in this game you should try again after you ask your caregiver to pull the crayons out of your nose

>>713366758
>lol what the fuck
The high end fights have gotten extremely tiresome, and a lot of people are just tired of having to re-study for every single encounter. Forked Tower just is a pain in the ass in all regards and slaps a "you get 3 lives and then you are out" debuff on you, which makes it extremely hostile to even learn for new/weaker players, even if they wanted to put up with the lottery nature of the sing up and discord requirement.

>>713366929
>quote me saying that
>>713361852
Concession accepted

>want to make the raid feel like it's part of the zone that people have to go and access by standing on a special dias
>okay that's cool I get it from an aesthetic angle
>make it run on a lottery system so as long as someone just submits 1 cipher they have as much of a chance of getting in as someone who dumps 20 ciphers
>mfw
The Jap obsession with lottery systems is completely baffling.

>>713366615
Nah, keep Sphene around.
Wuk can fall into a pit and never find her way out.

>>713367231
oh so you can just grab any reply in the thread and claim it's me? Alright subhuman nigger, have it your way.

>>713367005
So that's a yes then? Thanks for confirming.

>>713367303
lmao just accept you’re retarded and got buttraped

>>713367207
Yes that's what I am saying, they should take example on wildstar.

>>713366985
>Still no DC protection in deep dungeons
Quite literally content I cannot ever do solo
And all they have to do is keep my character logged in to give me a chance to reconnect.
Fucking hate them so much for being so lazy.

>>713367303
^the raped

>>713366931
Their solution for 7.3 also only solves one of the many problems entering the fucking thing has. Even if you get 48 man into the instance, you still need to wait up to 40 minutes for the Mirrage Weather to appear AND none of the other 24 randos in the instance need to snipe a spot.

In general, zoning into an instance that has an alliance waiting for the tower to pop will suck ass for everyone else.

>>713367260
They brought Sphene back?
Holy armpits, but is she being paired with Wuk again?

>>713366985
>Now they also turn the last Deep Dungeon fight into savage slop.
Really? You can't even finish the deep dungeon climb without doing savage tier fights?
What the fuck are they doing?

I am a nigger tranny and a pedo and think FFXIV is the best game ever

>>713367383
>>713367407
wtf you're a fucked up individual:
>>713367521

Is Sena dead yet

>>713367495
Me and my friend completely dropped the EW one when one of the bosses had Coils mechanic.
We literally never once set foot into it and the DD boss one shot us with it in like 0.9 seconds.

>everyone is upset that there is no casual content
>every single XIV content creator is exclusively complaining about there not being another fucking ultimate in 7.3
I can't even blame the devs for being so retarded when this is all the feedback they are looking at

>will make the next foray raid queueable and have a normal mode
>will not retroactively patch Forked Tower to be queueable and have a normal mode

>>713367480
Nah, she's being paired with (You)

>>713366985
the level 99 boss will have a separate savage version you can enter from outside the instance directly. it will be a normal DD boss on the tower climb

>>713367495
No no, the last deep dungeon boss will be accessible by a 4 man party as 4 man version as NEW™ content. Seems like budget for savage is always available :^ )

>>713367663
>will not retroactively patch Forked Tower to be queueable
They are, though?
No on the normal mode, however.

>>713367521
>>713367614
Samefagging to save face like this is utterly pathetic. Especially after getting destroyed LMAO

>>713367329
Why even post if you're just going to imagine whatever you want to read anyway? What made you like this? Can you even prove you play the game?

>>713367480
She lost her pit game but gained cutoff jean short shorts. I think its a fair trade.

>>713367775
you will be able to queue an OC instance with 48 people. There you still need to wait for the weather

>>713367780
just accepted that you just got exposed and buttraped

>>713367782
What game?

>>713367780
^the raped

>>713367871
kek. Ya you’re seething

>>713367887
Prove you play Final Fantasy XIV. Prove you have even set foot in Bozja and Occult Crescent.

>>713367680
She better not proceed or my wife will drop a meteor or three on her and S9

>>713360616 (OP)
Sony being Sony and continuing to anally rape the cash cow for their pet projects. It's been like this for years and they will justify continuing to slash the budget as the player base shrinks.

>>713367923
malding hard because he got exposed as a tranny and pedo LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

>>713365507
You're not even playing now I bet. Probably just afk in Limsa.

>>713367979
>>713367775
I meant specifically queueing into the raid not the instance. afaik you still have to have everyone submit ciphers.

the worst part is, square enix will NEVER stop being retarded
they would sooner kill the game off than to fund it

>>713367979
>"We have felt the support through the system in DRS was a bit too high so we wanted to reduce it a bit"
The fuck does that even mean? Is that them not wanting too many people to clear because their shitty DDR fights are too precious and should exclusively cater to streamers?

>>713367980
>Sony
Rent free

>>713368060
He's playing the "seethe about XIV every hour of every day" game.

>>713368060
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713367983
>the least angry WoWbuck

>>713367979
We have no high expectations for the UI. We're used to it being abysmal dogshit.

>>713368124
Yep. Too many people played the content and that's apparently bad.

The downfall of XIV is pretty funny ngl. This cost drama is making me laugh

>>713368273
No seriously, that is how it reads, right? I am really trying not to be too negative about that, but fuck me that is the most retarded statement a dev could ever give.

>they're killing the game to cater to this crowd
This will never not be funny.

Just ask the yoshidrones to prove they play the game when they get uppity. They can't do it. They're either a jeet farm or WoWniggers falseflagging to make XIV players look like unhinged cultists. Whatever the case, don't even try to argue with them. Just tell them to prove they play the game.

>>713368124
Probably means they wanted a system that pushed people to meet and play with each other in the game world rather than just becoming another queueing simulator but it fails because FFXIV players are deathly afraid of interacting with each other and would rather huddle inside of their discord servers.

>>713368204
>any one who doesn't suck the drooling shit out of yoshifraud's asshole is a wowbuck
enjoy your shit game, tranny. Oh wait you don't even play it, you're just afk while schizoing on discord servers with men cosplaying as women. Subhuman nigger.

>>713368413
calm down wowtroon

>>713368415
If they want that, the first step is to make content actually clearable with randoms from the mass of half-sapient apes they've curated as their audience.

>>713368415
CLL requires you to coordinate with your group. and it doesn't require a subjob to find and disarm traps and doesn't have a rez restriction

>>713368506
>didn't even read the comment

>>713368413
>or WoWniggers falseflagging to make XIV players look like unhinged cultists
lmao nice cope, the playerbase does a fan job on its own.

>WoWtroon
>WoWbuck

>>713368493
Damn bro you just keep blogposting. Are your parents brother and sister?

>>713368506
>>713368582
Prove you play the game.

>>713368415
I get that, and I think its a good goal to have. And I think the entrance system for FT is kinda cool: Forming up in an OC instance and getting to raid the tower is really neat... however you just can't make it that hard and that punishing, how the fuck did they not notice that?

>>713368413
Not those anons, but I play, what about you?

>>713368415
>90% of the playerbase is hyper-casual
>like genuinely incapable of doing anything beyond alliance raids (and that's really hard for them)
>want players to engage with each other for the new content
>require it to need very specific job comps, a limited rez limit, no way of switching jobs in the raid and the general coordination required for extremes and savage encounters to clear
THANK YOU MR. OZMA TRULY ANOTHER BANGER OF A RAID

>>713368789
Nice Hroth

>>713368648
don't like the first mechanic of a fight being a 24 man bodycheck with thrice come ruin and a rez restriction so you can't try again for another 1.5 hours?

you must hate multiplayer content

>>713368789
That would eat into his time crying about the game and how it's definitely for sure for real dying this time.

>criterion
>too hard no one did it
>chaotic
>too hard no one did it despite having more rewards than fucking OC
>foray captsone raid
>again too hard 400 clears despite being out for several weeks
You couldn't get them with "challenge", you couldn't get them with "rewards" and you couldn't get them with "use your cool now subjobs here!". When will CS3 admit that only very few people like "stressful" gameplay?

>>713360976
yet you still consort with them

Realistically what should Yoshida do to fix FFXIV in 8.0?

>>713368982
Then they make easy content and it's too easy baby tier braindead and the game is dying.

>>713366071
>Trump is Naruto's dad
Fucked up if true.

>>713369006
He should blow his brains out, to be quite frank

>>713368945
OOF >>713368964
Why can't you prove you play the game? Why's that so hard for you?

>>713363651
>>713360976

>>713368964
>He's still afraid in showing his character, thinking le /v/ is gonna go out of their way to get him.

>>713369006
Keep the MSQ good and deliver content at the same rate as DT.
That's all.

>>713369006
Scion dating.

>>713369006
-Fix the story
-Fix the content cadence (Occult Crescent should have been available in 7.1)
-Don't design shit to be even worse versions of what you had before

Wasn't ff14 his favorite game?
Wasnt ff14 successful and popular? All the mmofags kept talking about it.

>>713369138
Yeah, you absolutely will because you're an unhinged cultist faggot. How would showing my character prove anything anyway? Do you think I'm retarded?
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>costs too much to create two versions of the same raid

just scale down the numbers man, i doubt anyone gives a fuck. how much dev time can it reasonably cost. then again, it will take them over 2 years to implement chat bubbles

>>713367807
>>713367680
Im going to wait until feedbck from anond later
Ive already been bamboozled by yoship once

>>713369216
Nobody thinks you're important little bro. We won't go and find your futa viera gooner alts.

>7.3 isn't until early August
>7.2 released in late March
It's almost 5 months apart, are the devs silently trying to increase patch cycle time?

This was the worst LL they have ever done. Like, this antagonised the entire playerbase. Why the fuck did he talk for 10 minutes about speech bubbles that are not even releasing in 7.3?

>>713369290
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713369006
I will only return if they make sweeping overhauls to about 90% of job design
I'm bored of dump burst and 123 until next burst

>>713369291
Why? Are you really eager for more FFXIV?

>>713361991
They don't want discord groups monopolizeing FT, like they have DR and BA, so they made it a free for all to get in, and streamers are missed they can't get carried through the content.

>>713369306
See you in 7.3 LL p2 when you'll try to meme that as the worst LL they have ever done.
And then the 7.4 LL p1 when you'll try to meme that as the worst LL They have ever done.
And then the 7.4 LL p2-

>>713369306
>it took them years to release speech bubbles that are worse versions of a feature modders made in a day or two and that WoW has had since 2004
This is genuinely incredible to behold.

>>713369338
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713369363
Yes, I want to play the game I payed a sub for.

>>713361089
Because they keep making the teams that are supposed to be working on ff14 make other crap.

>>713369376
>They don't want discord groups monopolizeing FT
They literally made it exactly like BA but harder to get a premade into because of the low player limit per instance. Also DR and BA are still active to this day solely because of discord groups. FT is also not doable with a free for all queue system. You need organization because the content is too strict to just herd a group of random apes through. One person can kill everyone, just like Chaotic.

>>713369475
>>713369338
i'd bet neither of you play the game

>Please Gaijin understandu, no difficulty options in raids we no more have moneys.

Jesus fuck Yoshida, what the fuck did you spend all that Endwalker money on?

>>713369475
I just did >>713368964
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713369340
play VPR

In response to the admittance in the live letter that they didn't offer a Normal version of Fork tower due to 'Cost' JP are now asking if it's necessary to host live events when they can't handle the finances correctly for content in the game.
The vibes currently are not good.

>>713369618
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713369574
Got a link to that thread? Curious to see in the nips think the same.

>>713369574
I wonder if costs were also the reason XVI had no proper difficulties for the first playthrough other than "made for retarded babies" and "made for retarded babies with no arms and legs."

>>713368645
>>713368582

how is that relevant? Anyway I've been perma banned at the end of ew but here you go

>>713369648
isn't Viper also just dump burst and 123 until next burst
I distinctly recall people comparing it to RPR (which was also incredibly boring)

>>713369739
>I've been perma banned at the end of ew
whew

>>713369686
Interesting how you can't prove you play the game so you've just decided to try and derail by acting like a nigger. Why might that be, Rishdeep?

>>713361089
If you dont have the labor you hire more. Thats a cost.

>>713369815
yeah i was mad at first but that was a blessing in disguise apparently and I did not feel the reveal of dt at all

I'm gonna say it: at least half of the reason for xiv threads being bad is because people feed shitposters rather than having honest discussions.

>>713366615
I still need Wuk to die. Spheen and Shale can join if they want.

>>713369774
VPR actually plays nice because it doesn't have a burst window where you need to line up cooldowns. You just don't cap your blue cum meter and one (1) single cooldown. If you follow that you can freely shift your 'burst' by up to 45 seconds and you get 3 gcd to freely disengage from the boss whenever you want. It works very will with the current 'athletic' encounter design.

>>713369774
Yeah, there was one bit of debuff management that they patched out in week one.

>>713363076
Its actually below SHB if not close to below SB numbers now

>>713369713
Here you go
https://ff14net.2chblog.jp/archives/62440285.html

>>713369006
Get rid of extreme/savage/ultimate. Raiders are ungrateful, and their cheating is ruining the game, DT's post release content was built around them and all they do is complain.
They said no more races but add a new small cute race to cull the lala numbers.
Add overworld content like FFXI's conquest.
Add P. Berserker's kit to Warrior

>>713369006
Use some of the money his games earns on the fucking game and stop piggybanking slop like ff16.

>>713369912
You're the biggest winner in this thread. I actually bought Dawntrail and wasted my time and gave them my money.

>>713364049
His idea of a rework is changing like 2 buttons to do things that 3 buttons used to. People are gonna be so disappointed with 8.0 its unreal. The only job that ever actually got a real rework was SMN.

>>713369006
FFXIV is good right now, so I don't have much to say.
It just needs to keep going the way it's going and not fuck up the story again.

>>713369947
that is unironically the best thing I've heard in months, maybe there's hope for 8.0 yet

>>713368395
sure doesn't look like catering with those numbers

>>713365836
Its wild that their reasoning was "Too many people actually played DR. We need to make it worse on purpose."

>>713369574
>what the fuck did you spend all that Endwalker money on?
Making more money.

>>713369939
>Wuk dies
>They make a protracted scene where they try and fail to tug at your heart strings because even if it's done well, everyone hates Wuk and will just be laughing and cheering while it happens
>Your WoL is forced to pretend they are sad
Fuck no.
Just unceremoniously drop her off in the palace and let her be forgotten after 7.3

>>713369006
Downscale my power in roulette dungeons.
I don't care if I'm hitting like a wet noodle I would rather be doing my rotation than spamming 1-1-1-1--1-1-1-1-1-1. For that reason alone I don't do roulettes outside of expert.

>>713366758
If your company cant afford to do savage and normal, you should always prioritize normal. Focus on giving things everyone does, at the risk of the top 10% getting bored for not getting their balls hammered enough.

>>713370195
>12.0
>the final finale of the game, the final patch
>we come up against the final boss
>WoL lowers his head
>thinks of pic related
>Azem glyph flashes over WoL's face

>>713369774
its 123 on a striking dummy but viper is a job about spinning tons of plates constantly rather then a pure build/spend like bard, only it does damage and isn't hyper rigid outside of literal RNG like current bard.
this means if the fight is boring the job is boring, but if the fight is interesting you can do lots of little things to adjust your rotation for the fight itself, its literally the only job that can still do this after blm brutally murdered multiple times over the course of DT though and was literally reworked to be easier for kirito cosplayers a month into 7.0 though so I imagine its getting raped eventually

>>713369142
Content at the same rate as DT is what is killing this game. Occult Crescent only just released a month ago and Deep Dungeon is releasing next patch. Why are both of these coming out close to a year after the expansion launched? And we STILL have BST not coming out until the end of the expansion. What was the six month delay even for when the pacing of the content is so horrendous? I'd be completely okay with them delaying the next expansion by six months yet again if it allows them to properly be able to pace the patch content better from that point onwards.

>>713370303
you motherfucker, i'm going to strangle you

>>713370312
>but viper is a job about spinning tons of plates constantly
You just follow the glowing buttons.

People will never be convinced until they have Wuk outright ambush you again in the cabana and tell (You) this is goodbye for honesty and for reals because her soul is now powering the Meso Terminal or some shit

>>713370312
>this means if the fight is boring the job is boring, but if the fight is interesting you can do lots of little things to adjust your rotation for the fight itself
This is true of every job in the game, and it's the fundamental problem with job design. Every single job is inherently boring and shallow, and the only thing that makes combat interesting is from the enemy's side, not from your rotation.

>>713370303
They would never do something as cool as having your ascian sigil appear over your characters face

>>713360761
It's funny when the sonic open world guys were free again and then we suddenly got a bunch of sonicstyle content in the game
:no hate tho, the Sonic LTQs they running right now are fun and different. Nameless City also feels very Sonic and is still fun.

>we'll be rid of wuk in one patch
>meanwhile, wow's wuk will probably stick around for 2 more expansions
someone please check in on them regularly because they might actually an hero

>>713368887
Yoshida keeps stating that his belief is that if you force casuals to gradually be exposed to harder content they will eventually become raiders. In reality they just leave.

>>713370482
Honestly should have happened in EW

>>713369618
>chat box screenshot, see see, I play!
You are so insecure lol. You're trying to validate your own criticisms of the game over others by constantly posting these. Complete attention seeking. What's next, picture of mounts or minions?

>>713370569
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713361991
>and make FFXVII as a 3rd FF MMO/multiplayer live service title
Please, no. This is their chance to create an MMORPG spinoff series, and no longer hijack the mainline title.

>>713370010
>people are viciously shitting on Yoshida
>also on XVI
>they say PC gamer isn't critical enough and they wish japanese outlets would write about it
>lot of people baffled at who FT should be for and that it is an absolute step down of the Bozja raids
>lots of food analogies

>>713370527
rent free

>>713370716
true. xiv does live rent free in their braincases, but it won't stop their game from sloppification

>>713370768
>he doubles down
there are meds for your condition, anon, you're not without hope.

>>713370527
Faerin received a ton of backlash at first because of her horrible woke appearance but I really don't see that much shit talking about her any more. I don't play WoW but I've read that she's nowhere near as badly written or as intrusive to the story as Wuk is.

momodi plap

>>713370548
It's a very naive viewpoint but I understand his optimism about it. In a perfect world casuals would slowly get introduced to more difficult content and learn to adjust but like you say it's not the case. At the first sign of hardship hyper casuals will fold and stop engaging.

>>713369006
>DT/SB pve content 7.3 is looking like a dead patch
>3 month patch cycle
>hiroi public execution
Well. I'm honestly half way out, I just want to do the Shadowbringers ultimate and leave

>>713370660
It's pretty great isn't it? The one comment I remember from that thread was saying the article writer didn't go far enough by saying it's not Yoshida's fault but it is because he's the Producer it's his job to lobby for the budget from the board and if it's a problem of Cost of why they aren't able to deliver a simple difficulty option in a raid then he literally is not doing his defined job role. Makes sense to me.

>>713369006
get rid of pct or make it rdm tier

>>713370398
They dont need to kill her, I just want her to say "Okay WoL its been fun you go adventure while I keep things under control in Tural" and maybe she calls us once per expansion on a linkpearl like Lyse.

>>713370815
it is very sad that they are stuck with a worse wuk for like 5 years probably

>>713360830
Yoshi Purple?

>>713370853
Yeah. Them bringing up all the concerts is something I didn't even realize, but yeah if you are in Japan it would probably bother you to see Yoshida going to all the concerts. Also
>he keeps casting Costga
kek

In a away I'm glad Dawntrail sucked, I've been free to play other games and reduce my backlog

>>713370939
why are you talking about wow in a xiv thread?

>>713370527
The difference is WoW's "Wuk" is barely present compared to her, and the game isn't centered around the story. Wuk had the most lines in the expansion while whats her name probably had like 10.

>>713370998
i am feeling sympathetic
we've had wuk for one expansion story and 3 patches so i know how that hurts
them having to deal with that for 3 expansions is probably suicide inducing

>>713369363
Yes you fucking nigger, I don't want to do the same fucking raid for close to 10 months

if the japanese got nuked twice and didn't want to relent I don't see anyones grievances over wuk being addressed really

Honestly I think I'm gonna just get my m8s clear and take a break from XIV for a bit. I just really want to actually finish a savage tier for once. It's been a really fun tier honestly.

>>713370939
Faerin is barely in the game. Woke Lmao was omnipresent throughout all of 7.0 aside from the Texas zone where we finally got a reprieve from her.

>>713370994
Yoshida already gave you permission to play other games...

>>713371063
why are you talking about wow in a xiv thread?

>>713371106
imagine getting wuk lamat'd for 5-6 years? i would be quivering in my boots. i feel bad for them

but can Worlo Warcar fans beat....this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfvKvy1t0pU

>>713364341
>they know they're not going to get MORE subs/players in the future no matter what they do
where the fuck does that premise come from? if they didn't give up after releasing 6.0 they could still be growing. the game declining is their own fucking fault, not an inescapable followup

>>713371147
he said that back when they were still catching up from the time wasted rebuilding the game.

Nobody gives a shit about your blizzdrone golem skinner box, WoWniggers.
Prove you play Final Fantasy XIV.

I like how removing CE teleports in Occult cascaded into many of it's other problems.

Fate scaling being broken, can't multitask farm gold like you could with clusters, not being able to prep other CEs while you wait for the CE to start, finding the doofy treasure chests, ect.

>>713371247
I dont play mmos for the music

>>713371247
I'll be jamming to this next time I storm the capitol.

>>713371247
easy. xiv will never have anything as kino as this

>>713371360
>using a lance as a sword

>>713371303
you've got proven multiple times and just pretend you didn't see anything. Seek help.

>>713371247
Disregard this nigger for including the busted english version. Link the correct one or don't bother lil bro.

>>713371341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYidb1LvMs8

while i agree with you, worlo does have a few that go right for the heart

>>713371360
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH NONONONONONONO

>>713371402
>he doesn't appreciate true wowkino
swine

>>713371360
>using a lance as a sword

>>713371418
Go on and show me where you did anything except spam my own post back at me. Prove you play the game.

>>713371360
>the spinning in place
please god tell me this isn't real

>>713361196
They're not construction workers. They get the same paycheck whether they develop an AAA-game, a shitty ancient MMO, or play solitaire for 80h/week

>>713371446
wow has a tons of them, especially since mist of pandaria when they upped their game. even shit expansions like BFA slapped hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Hw8QEGnno

>>713371360
Why do their mouths do that weird putty thing when they yell? Its been a thing since BFA and they never improved.

I haven't played in 6 months. Why should I come back?

>>713371360
>dude so anime!

Sopped playing after heavensward. These threads always makes me happy.

>>713371516
>>713369739

XIV
>Better cutscenes (the thing you play mmos for)
>Better music (see above)
>Better sex modding (we like this)
WoW
>Better raids, dungeons and content in every way (who cares lol)
>Actual open world content that matters (lame)
>Actual gearing, stats and progression (nerd shit)

>>713371552
https://youtu.be/DQ0Xr0Tl-y4?t=205
Why wouldn't it be real? Can't handle kino?

>>713371705
That's proof that you DON'T play the game, dumbfuck frog.

>>713371738
WoW also has better jobs/classes. XIV used to have better but then they homogenised and copypastad them

>>713371763
that's mass effect andromeda levels of amateurism, how the fuck did they greenlight this

>>713371738
Truuuuuuuuuuu

>>713371360
Man the panda intervening between the blood elf and jaina at the end of thunder isle was more cathartic than this

>>713371773
concession accepted

>>713371738
Don't forget
>WoW
>Has more poz (which is great because we're trannies)

>>713368415
>Train players to play by themselves
>Design the game around progressing by yourself
>Put in a matchmaking system to drive home the fact that socialisation is not a major part of this MMO
>Try to force people to play together at the end of the finish
Legitimate retard.

>>713371738
While you're running maze+ I was getting laid in-game because ERP equals sex. Later virgins.

>>713371930
>more poz
ENTER

>>713371925
'Play' is the present-tense, as in you currently play the game at the present time. You have proven that you do not play the game. A little English tip for you to ruminate on while you kiss nigger feet.

>>713372042
I already accepted your concession

>>713372018
>ENTER

>>713371738
>Better raids, dungeons and content in every way
dungeons, yes, raids, no.
>Actual open world content that matters
retail's open world content is gacha tier shit now. they had a great world design in vanilla but ruined it through the expansions. still better than XIV tho
>Actual gearing, stats and progression
true

>>713371360
Nice cherry picking, acting like most XIV filler cutscenes don't look like shit as well.

>>713371738
WoW raids suck dick.
M+ sucks dick.
WoW has no content other than that since it believes in catering to one type of play worse than XIV ever did.
>Actual open world content that matters
World quest grinding that only moms do because everyone else is funneled into grinding the same m+ dungeons or raiding the same 4 bosses where the other 4 are glorified target dummies you'll forget about forever when they die?
>Actual gearing, stats and progression
You mean lottery for the specific trinket you need at the specific rank with the specific substats.
So you can do it again next patch when it's made inadequate?

nobody talks about wow as much as xiv troons. do. What causes this phenomena?

I don't play WoW, I've never played WoW and I've no interest in ever playing WoW so the retards trying to deflect the criticisms of FFXIV by saying "yeah but WoW" so what? I don't care, I don't play that game, FFXIV being in a shit state because Yoshida refused to eject Wuk from the story after 7.0 he refused to listen to job criticism, to not having a Foray in Endwalker so now they don't know how to deliver a fun one anymore in Dawntrail.

I was promised also, this wanker promised me that 7.3 they were going to increase the amount of rewards by 1.5x in content.
He better talk about it in the next live letter before 7.3 because he hasn't said anything since the only time he brought that up.

Also pushing the raid planner back to 7.4 when back in November of last year before 7.1 he promised it would be ready by 7.3, just fucking classic Yoshida.
Bringing out utility QoL long after all the content released would have been able to use it.

Curious how a WoW defense force would be here in a XIV thread.

i knew it was gonna suck when the cinematic trailer music was shit. it is apparent that nobody cares anymore

>>713372353
Most people who have played either game have played both.

>>713372316
They are mindbroken cultists and they operate on emotion not logic, don't expect any good faith arguments here, just deflecting and making excuses on god yoshit pp piss

>>713372353
for the love of god take your fucking meds

>>713372380
This. I could tell something off the instant I finished watching that first teaser trailer.

>>713372316
>Also pushing the raid planner back to 7.4 when back in November of last year before 7.1 he promised it would be ready by 7.3, just fucking classic Yoshida.
>Bringing out utility QoL long after all the content released would have been able to use it.
?
7.4 is probably the next time you care to use it since 7.3 doesn't have anything you'd use the whiteboard for.

They should unlock Savage, unlock savage yoshida you hack. I want to be carried by better players, and not play with players that don't know their left from their right. I'm not the best but I literally know everything I would have to do in the fight but I can't clear because the mare modder coomer get's distracted because they were looking at their coomer modded character

>>713372316
You are getting more rewards but I never said it was new rewards gaijin-san ;^)

>>713372268
>So you can do it again next patch when it's made inadequate?
Soo just like XIV gear then lol

>>713372510
Doing that would lower subscriptions. Yoshi Pee pee is happy to tell you to play other games. Just so long as you stay subbed

>>713364095
>>713361489
Nice blatent lie faggot lmao.

>>713372569
you have more screenshots and webms of wow than wow players themselves.

>>713372268
>I have to....play le game to get the gear instead of getting BiS 1/4th of the way into a patch and then do nothing?

>>713372576
Yes, but actually somewhat deterministically. Less of the "i'll spam the same 4 current dungeons and 4 old dungeons for months straight in hopes that i'll get the trinket the site told me to get with the right stats so that a few weeks after I get it, I can start anew."

>>713372576
you can full bis yourself in 1 month in ffxiv if you have a good team
it's absolutely incomparable to the rng grindfest that is wow gearing

>>713372661
>I wanna be a rat in a treadmill asking daddy blizzard to please let the lottery chest give me what I need for the 7th week that I read off wowhead or icyveins. Sssip now that's real itemization"

>came back after a year to try out OC
>even more boring than Bozja with no duels and no CLL equivalent
>even worse system for getting into FT even when compared to BA entry
baffling

I'm enjoying Dawntrail.
Except the 7.0 msq, that was kinda fucked up.

>>713372682
>i'll spam the same 4 current dungeons and 4 old dungeons
they're inherently fun and you have a wide variety of classes and playstyles to experience them fresh.

I haven’t played FFXIV since shortly after Stormblood came out, but XVI is pure kino.

>>713372653
your concession has been accepted and recorded

>>713372782
Its so funny seeing people on here bash RNG when its literally a core tenant of RPGs and MMOs.

>>713372741
>>713372682
I'll put a full months effort into collecting something and then maybe 2 patches later its useless
Hmmm

>>713372782
yup
and I like how angry that makes you ;)

>>713372856
>they're inherently fun
Cattle.

>>713372874
I am conceding that xiv troons are obsessed with wow yes. I guess it comes with the fact that there is nothing to discuss about xiv.

>>713372754
How nice of yoshi pee pee to care about our mental health and wellbeing!

>>713360876
>jerking this guy off like the second coming of Christ
wtf does the bible really say that

>>713372962
>he says being stuck in a shit game because of a virtual house

>>713360616 (OP)
>Can't budget for people who don't do 8-mans
Then I can't budget for his game any more. Gave him a year of sub (Had a nice house), with the hope of Eureka 2.0 coming out. Then it launched, and it's the safest, fucking uninspired content with a 48 man tuned for Savage.
I'd say this comment would be the last straw, but I unsubbed about a month ago after the fucking shambles that is OC

>>713372984
>shit up xiv threads for 3+ years straight with raw evidence and posting styles never change after being exposed
>expect people to just not catch on, notice and tell you to fuck off
We're not all sub-70 IQ tropical junglebungo dwellers with the cognitive faculties of a blind mouse. If you don't want to be noticed, don't be so easily identifiable.

>>713372546
That'd be about right recolour old armour from ARR and call it 'new'. There's my increased rewards.

>>713373075
>be me
>don't get house because it's not at all necessary
>be you
>don't participate in the rat race for a month
>lag behind and miss so many "valuable opportunities" to roll the dice for the upgrade you sorely needed to be competitive
I know what I'd rather have.

>>713373119
>Gave him a year of sub
I doubt he cares you unsubbed. You already gave him lots of money

>>713372997
it sure does! right next to the part where it says to deepthroat netanyahu.

>>713372661
I didn't think i'd see one day people defend skinner's box mechanics

>>713373161
you unironically are schizophrenic. Many such case in this game and the actual reason I ended up perma banned you insufferable sub human nigger.

>>713373196
Run it through an AI to increase the resolution as well, then wonder why the new high-res armor looks like its smeared in vaseline.

>housing autismos will never know the pleasure of logging out at an inn for comfy custom animations
>permanently mentally tethered to YoshiP's maze
You are a slave; I am free

>>713373292
Yup, shame on me. But I doubt I'm alone in this, and it's the board he'll have to answer to now he's not on it again.

>bro check this sick itemization and horizontal progression dude it's so amazing and not rote
>"www.icyveins.com what is best ring for my spec"

>>713373290
>cannot comprehend not racing and just enjoying content

>>713373290
Housing is a core feature in XIV. Its akin to subbing to WoW but saying you hate dungeons and raids. Nothing is "necessary" in a MMO, but you'd be silly to play a game that puts so much emphasis on X but not engage in it. XIV has kneecapped one of its most core features purposefully.

>>713373442
>bro just don't race man and enjoy the content
>the content is racing

>>713373390
I logged my character out in an inn for the last time ever before I unsubbed and uninstalled the game. I hope she sleeps peacefully forever

>>713373502
>plays semantic
concession accepted

>>713373354
>and the actual reason I ended up perma banned
Good riddance.

>>713373473
XIV is a full game with tons of content and features that justify playing without even considering housing. What do people do on WoW that isnt dungeons and raids?

>>713373390
ill unironically never understand being a slave to a virtual house, is it mental illness?

>>713373525
That's nice, I should have done that. I think I just alt f4'd wherever I happened to be standing, probably outside my FC's house

>>713373442
>racing and just enjoying content
>in wow
bwaaaaaahahahahaha

>>713373574
Yeah, now you don't have somebody telling you to pull your fucking weight in group content and can leech like the nigger that you are, both in game and IRL.

>>713373502
There is nothing in WoW outside of cutting edge mythic raiding where people flat out wont invite you after falling behind. And its not like getting geared again is impossible.

>nooo wowfags aren't constantly shitting up xiv threads
>make fun of wow
>URGH ACTUALLY WOW DOES EVERYTHING BETTER EVERYTHING XIV DOES WELL DOESNT COUNT BECAUSE UHHHH MODBEASTS TRIGGER ME AND I CANT STOP MYSELF FROM DOWNLOADING MARE
So easy.

>>713373697
Im being 100% honest with you that im a XIV player since 2.0. I cant think of anything XIV does better now besides housing, story and RP, and they're losing on the former soon.

>>713373697
nobody was talking about wow until you brought wow up because you are insecure trannies.

>>713361489
>>713361575

>>713373697
they are just being tolerant and showing mercy

>>713373473
>Housing is a core feature in XIV

See this? This is someone who knows jack and shit all about FFXIV talking straight out their ass lol.

>>713374020
Its so weird seeing posts like this when im literally logged into XIV

>>713374020
Many such cases in these threads. They just play the telephone game and regurgitate stuff.

>>713373681
Stop lying, if you actually play wow you know if you miss weeks of timegated content you'll forever lag behind the other people who didn't for the whole patch. yes, you can still catchup by doing lower tier content, but that argument is only valid if you're playing solo because your mates won't do that with you.

>>713373681
Did they get rid of the weekly vault yet? Or make you able to get equivalent level gear with repeatable stuff?

Aw dangit, I missed the thread. Back to OC I go.

>>713373525
>mfw escaping from Wuk, shitty danger hair stories and cultural sensitivity consultants

>>713372640
Where’s the lie? I think you’re just seething lol :)

>>713373697
>xiv threads
If it's not a thread filled with arguments about which face cat/lizard is the best, or image after image of modbeast... Then is it truly an XIV thread?

>>713373868
Honestly, this character and everything around it is worse than Wuk.
Wuk is just naive platittudes about peace and tacos.
Here it's shit like "heritage and pride le bad" "you don't want to be a supremacist chud" "you are the beacon of tolerance and diversity". I really hope she fucks off out of the story after TWW ends.

>>713374535
I couldn't imagine idling in a game for 2 years of my life, holy shit what's wrong with you?

>>713374020
It is.
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713373592
FFXIV exists in this weird spot where it scratches an itch for certain people they can't find elsewhere, yet they don't really like or care for the overwhelming majority of FFXIV. Like I have met more than a few people in FFXIV who spend all their time doing housing and glam and gpose and RP shit, they don't like combat, or raiding, or crafting, or any of the other shit that makes up the overwhelming majority of the game and is the very reason the average person plays an MMORPG for. What they really want is a SecondLife/Sims type social life simulation game that they can play with other people, but no other game on the market has all of it presented in such a way that it can be set up and experienced with other people in the way that FFXIV does.

I play! It makes him upset cause I have no shame.

>>713374535
>this nutter is the guy insinuating housing is a "core feature"
Good to know.

>>713374020
You should let SE's marketing department know.

>>713374742
I accept..............your concession................!

>>713374742
>Post proof
>Change topic/move goalpost
lol people on here cant debate for shit

>>713374750
Truly a staple of the game. Triple Triad.

>>713374718
Jacien my only problem with you is that you really like attention and were trying to be an e-celeb.

>>713374806
>leddit debate me!!!!
No, you just outed yourself as a disingenuous retard and now I'm going to laugh at you for it. Take your leddit debate awards back to ffxivdiscussion or whatever other hole of pseuds you muck up with your stench.

>>713374806
Youre not the average player. The average player does the MSQ, runs content once and unsubs. Very few people in XIV participate in housing at all.

>>713374742
It honestly should because there's an obscene amount of housing items that drop from everywhere. They need to drop the residential zones and make some kind of instance neighborhood system.
>>713374839
Yeah then IRL career popped off so this is just a hobby now. I love figuring out all these various OBS plugins and such.

>>713371738
>>Better raids, dungeons and content in every way
lol fucking no
wow raids are a clusterfuck

>>713374943
Careful you're one step away from frogposting.

I just wanted to thank everyone for this kino as fuck thread. I played WoW and XIV for a combination of 15 years and I'll never play either of them again, but seeing people lose their shit is why I come here.

>>713372190
This doesn't look like it's supposed to be a filler cutscene. Estinien killing Nidhogg looked good and that was in fucking 2015.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJFMXjZ3KQA

>>713374750
tfw I was kept from playing the game because a glam I like requires content I can't tackle..... fucking yoshitpiss keeping core features from me and then lying about it...

>>713370195
I'm 100% OK with them trying to pull a Horsefart with Llama Tea.

Let the devs feel like they redeemed her and made everyone sad with her passing, only for them to get assblasted when everyone cheats and memes on her death.

I want the devs that made and love her (as well as the trannie who voiced her) get absolutely pissed off and mad at how no one will ever love that character and how absolutely retarded they were for making her as insufferable as she is.

>>713374990
>It honestly should because there's an obscene amount of housing items that drop from everywhere. They need to drop the residential zones and make some kind of instance neighborhood system.
Yeah, I agree. But I wouldn't call it a core feature and compare it to raids and dungeons. Not in my wildest dreams.

>>713375027
Why can't you prove you don't play the game? >:(

>>713375027
You can play a game for 15 years on here but the moment you say something people disagree with they'll tell you that you're a tourist who never played it, or a spy from another game trying to trick them

>>713375334
>get asked to prove you even play the game you're defending
>dance around for an hour trying to deflect and change the conversation and copypaste posts instead of just proving you play the game
>cry about it
Isn't it weird that you can't prove you play the game?

Xal'atath is the better Sphene. Hotter, more intriguing.

>>713375448
You talking about the WoW guy or another one? One XIV nerd posted his.

>>713375334
I love calling people tourists.

>>713375525
I'm talking in general.

>600 posts of wowbuck whining
>still losing to wuk le tranny
KEKEKEKEKEKEKEK

>>713374718
You're the only old LARPer who isn't a sperg off their meds that I wish would disintegrate so that's a positive.

>>713375576
Promote more tolerance and mercy.

>>713375041
wow's meaty cutscenes are not realtime (like the one shown) they're prerendered but still with the game's engine. Cutscene from roughly the same time as hw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BiRUTgtFf4

>>713376020
FFXIV definitely never did that, but that's just evidence of WoW's larger production values.

game is fucking dead

>>713376182
>game is dead
>entirety of Aether still congested

>>713376182
you said this 3 years ago and you'll say this in 3 more years as well

>>713376207
This is true actually, went to see if a new char could be made, and nothing open on Aether.