how the fuck am I supposed to defeat this nigger without a joystick?

>>713401575 (OP)
Plug in a controller.

>>713402206
I don't fucking work + no controllers setting on the game
wtf

anon youre supposed to use the dpad for games where you can only move in 8 directions

plug in an arcade stick
that's how i beat the mantle

>>713402884
Works on my machine. The controller should be plugged in before you start the game though.
>I don't fucking work
Get a job then

>>713402884
>I don't fucking work
I hope you choke under society's heel sooner than later

>>713401575 (OP)
ive beaten her and every other boss with a keyboard its not that hard

>>713401575 (OP)
only boss i've struggled on so far and honestly it's made me put down the game for a bit
>its another "only one move is actually hard" boss
fuck off man i beat jevil in like 6 tries and spamton in two but this sword tunnel nigger bullshit keeps raping me

I beat the knight in like seven tries.
I needed the Mantle and every god damn resource in my bag but it wasn't overhyped if you ask me. I think a lot of people are rusty from not playing the game in so long.

>>713401575 (OP)
what do you need a joystick for?
moving slower?
just hold the run button, it makes the soul move slower in combat.

>>713401575 (OP)
>receives pain to become stronger
>Rudy dies in Chapter 5

nerf the knight

Protect.
The.
Doe.

>>713404132
It'll be easy to protect her when I am her.

>>713404132
>build her confidence like Snowgrave
>keep her away from Susie
How do we do this?

>nerfing optional bosses because you are bad
>when the game is already painfully easy and even the "hardest" bosses can be beaten first try
man. you people are BAD at video games.

Is there any meaning to anything related to the eggs or is it all just vague shit for the sake of it?

>>713401575 (OP)
Chapter 5 isn't going to be out until next year at the earliest, just give it a few tries until you start getting tilted and then come back to it later. It's beatable, just stop being your own worst enemy.

Trans-coded game

>>713401575 (OP)
>joystick

>>713404256
and that's a good thing

>>713404303
estrogen is amazing

>>713404303
Why are her tits fat

>>713401575 (OP)
Why the hell would you need a controller my guy

>>713404351
they do wonders
>>713404360
they should be fatter

>>713404360
Sucked on constantly by a young kris

>>713404303
>>713404351
>>713404414
really not beating the allegations that your lifestyle is strictly a fetish

>trouble with the mantle but not with thr knight
You zoomers fucking suck at video games bro, Mantle is baby mode vs the knight, I lichurally can't beat the fucker.

>>713401575 (OP)
Its called getting good faggot, trail and error

>>713404164
YOU WILL NEVER BE A DOE

>>713401575 (OP)
Where can I use the phone in the dark world, and it not make garbage noise? Light world too would be nice

I love this nigga like you would not believe.

>>713401575 (OP)
There's a hidden tech where you can press two arrow key simultaneously to dodge diagonally. Crazy concept, I know.

>>713404493
i died to the mantle a couple times but i didn't think it was too bad
if you've ever played 2d zelda it's pretty comparable

>>713404284
Knight Knight!

>>713404548
>trail
Don't follow the fucking trail.

>>713404493
Stock up on all the ReviveMints and DeluxeDinners you can get. Put the Mantle on Susie and use Kris and Ralsei as TP farmers so you can spam Rude Buster on as many turns as you can. Ralsei's expendable, though, so use Kris to heal with items.
Any attack in particular that's fucking you up?

>>713404132
i will, by making her stronger

>>713404470
is being hot a fetish?

>>713404493
Use one of those tension items at the very start of the game so you can get a shorter cycle.

>>713401575 (OP)
Don't get hit.

>>713404668
The one where she slices the screen and the goo falls down, and the blade tunnel is of course aids. I'm playing on steam deck.

>>713404467
Based dess.

I CAN'T FUCKING SEE THE BLACK BLADE CORRIDOR IN THE BLACK FUCKING BACKGROUND

>>713401575 (OP)
Git gud, i literally defeated that guy on my phone

>>713404196
Imo I think aborting snowgrave is the way to go since you're patching up things between the two
Now it's just a matter of riding the ferris wheel with her

>>713401575 (OP)
Knight vs Sans, which is harder? I've seen people say they've taken upwards of 80 attempts on the Knight.

>>713404303
I would take trans Dess and Noelle over the awful lesbian romance

Why is pizza man not giving me my free spincake refill in chapter 4?

I know Toby doesn't swing that way anymore, but when I first saw this Berdly sprite, I immediately thought of the chudjak

>>713404751
Post more Kris x Dess

>>713404657
Knight Knight is a girl, too.

Undyne
>There's no law against Dark Worlds anyway!
>That's a job for the school board!
Handy
>I'm sorry, the mayor is busy right now.
>If you need to talk to her try creating some kind of huge crisis.
>Are you here to complain about your teacher?
>If you don't like her, please blame your mother for getting her hired.

The Mayor wants the Roaring to happen. Toriel is on the school board. There is so much subtle foreshadowing. Fuck.

>>713404749
>The one where she slices the screen and the goo falls down
Go to the bottom of the screen when the attack starts. You have more than enough time to figure out how to maneuver away from the droplets every wave they drop. Don't move any more than you have to, just move a little bit at a time. It gets more difficult when the Knight starts slashing the box in different ways (both horizontally and diagonally along with vertically), but if you master one, you should be able to pick up the other two pretty well.
The blade tunnel sucks ass, I agree. Just try to make tiny movements to adjust yourself to the blade tunnel.

>>713404930
>AIEEEEE ASGORE-SAMA NOT THE BERGEN-TRUCK-UNG AGAIN

>>713404615
It's always garbage noise in the Dark World.
No exceptions.

>>713404812
Sans is harder but in my case it's because I was entirely new to the bullet hell genre when I first fought him.
By Deltarune I had like 45 hours total when I got the the Knight so she was a pushover in comparison, but I would say that Knight would be way harder in Undertale if you ported her into that since you are only one guy there.

Get a mouse. Easy

Unironically can someone explain to me the popular meme/theory?

Asgore running over Dess

This bitch took me 8 hours to defeat and I was only able to defeat her by pure luck, since after her special attack only Susie was left alive with 1 hp and she was able to deliver the final blow.

>>713405126
It's purely meme, no actual theory to explain.

This is foreshadowing the festival.

>>713405075
>BERGEN-TRUCK-UNG
Fuck you

>>713404303
>no ones pointing out the bulge

>>713405126
it simply is a meme
though there's a nonzero chance toriel might've run someone over instead considering the prophecy thing saying "the queen's chariot cannot be stopped"

>Kris, if you want some of our "sick" fruit juice
>Bangin sermon my man
I love that Kris is painfully uncool
It's so cool

>>713405107
I would like to know how to plug the heart controls on the mouse thank you very much

someone with a helmet should not be allowed to be this smug

>>713404812
Sans fight is over twice the length of the Knight fight. In my experience, it took me 32 attempts to beat Sans, while it took be 11 attempts to beat the Knight, and another 8 attempts to do it mantle-less. However, it took me many more attempts after that to be able to consistently beat the Knight, where as with Sans, I've never lost to him again after I beat him for the first time back in 2016. I still think Sans is the harder of the two though.

>>713401575 (OP)
I just finished Chapter 3. Holy shit that came out of nowhere, it's bad enough that the fight happens right after Tenna, but starting with no heals and no save points in-between is extreme.

It's late already so I'm replaying it tomorrow, I assume I need to beat both stages with S-Rank in order to fight the superboss, and there was a secret puzzle I couldn't do anything in, so I'll look into it further.

>>713405224
>Toriel in the middle of a box wine bender churns Dess into roadkill on her way to the store to get some more

>>713404749
>blade tunnel
I locked the fuck in and saw the truth. You need to keep your eyes trained at the right of the screen where the blades come in from, and NEVER look at the SOUL. You need to move according to what you see in advance. Due to the blade tunnel approach speed and your own movement after Hold Breath at the start of the fight coinciding, you end up moving to the safe spot by the time that safe spot approaches you by just keeping your sight fixed at the right of the screen. Does that make sense?

>>713405293
>but starting with no heals and no save points in-between is extreme.
bro just walk backwards after beating Tenna

>>713405293
Anon
you just DID fight the superboss
you have to win

>>713405293
You're allowed to turn around right after beating Tenna to go buy items and save

>>713405293
>no save points in-between is extreme.
anon... you can go back to tenna's bossfight save point
also take a look at Kris' character info

>>713405224

>>713405158
That happened to me and 2 other people I know

>>713405224
The general take is that the chariot was Queens mech given it never got stopped, Queen just realized her mistake.

Friendly Reminder: If you didn't beat her on your first try, with the keyboard, without using Revive Mint, You didn't beat her

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH GET FUCKED NIGGER! MY TRUE PACIFIST SAVE FILE IS SECURED!
Holy fuck was that fight annoying, there's like 3 dangerous attacks, but the real challenge is ending the fight before he starts with the harder random shit like the diagonal slash.
>>713401575 (OP)
I did it with a keyboard mantleless and this is my first time fighting him, didn't even try fighting him with the mantle.

>>713404132

>>713404615
I want to facefuck the mantle

>>713405126
Asgore was removed from the police after an unspecified incident, which is widely speculated to be related to Dess' disappearance.
The rest is just people having a giggle.

>>713405428
Friendlier reminder: look at this black shard.

>>713405383
>Toriel is having a nightmare
Well YEAH Kris just fucking turned heel and STOLE my FUCKING WIN. of course toriel would be mad

>>713405317
I crossed my eyes and that helped
Fuck the blade wheel knife dodging attack, I only got past that because I kept spinning in circles and eventually got lucky RNG where none of those fuckass swords hit me

>>713405293
How did you react to the Knight's battle theme + "The Roaring Knight appeared." the first time, anon?

>>713405383
>Toriel was actually the one who ran dess over with her van while she was drunk as shit.

>>713405383
Nah, her face contorts into a nightmare when you "win" because she knows Kris hit Susie to stop the fight, choosing their loyalty to the Knight over their friendship with Susie.
Like, Susie says the very next chapter:
>* Let's not break in when your mom is around though.
>* She's probably got a sixth sense for you doing something wrong.

>>713405359
>>713405361
>>713405380
Ok I'm sorry the sudden turn of events pretty much made me tunnel vision into chasing the Knight, the whole sequence was really cool. I'll still replay the chapter, there are things I missed anyway.

>>713405359
>mfw

>>713405158
THIS EXACT THING HAPPENED TO ME.
1 hp on Susie after the special attack, I almost had a heart attack, still trembling a little.

>>713405501
The wheel is infinitely easier than the hallway desu
I got to a point where I was consistently no-hitting the wheel and using it as a heal break, but Ralsei almost always got swooned by the hall.

>>713404676
Based

>In a way he was already stone inside
Do you hope he'll show up again?
Do you think he will if you do sword route or not?
I wish he would get a chance to see Kris actually happy in a good ending. He did seem to care

You could call it
The Tunnel of LOVE

>>713405528
what if she just got upset at Kris being knighted/kneeling to the knight
you could also say she recognizes the doe brat that she didn't want Kris getting a bad influence from

>>713404132
Is she down playing her past with Kris, or is she forgetting shit on purpose as a defense mechanism?

Are monsters as weak as they are in the first game?
Like could kris solo the entire town if he felt like it?

>>713404812
With the mantle Sans is like a million times harder, there's not even a contest.
Without, it could really go either way. Still probably Sans if I had to choose though.

>>713405528
That was the Knight.

>>713405542
you sound cute, anon. are you single?

I wonder if Dess ended up taller than Asriel
It seems like one of Toby's unspoken fetishes is taller girls

>>713405126
>Asgore got some connection to Dess disappearance.
>Dess is a deer, the most well known animal to just jump into cars like the fucking idiots they are.
>He got a truck and with Undertale was already known for taking down a bunch of kids.

Its also just kinda funny.

>>713405501
>Fuck the blade wheel knife dodging attack
Agreed. Easily her worst move. I'd rather do the hallway again than that shit. I remember being told the blade wheel is meant to fuck with you and make you panic, and that holds true. You cannot stand your ground completely because the wheel forces you to move or die. Minimal movements still seem like the way to go.

>>713405126

>>713405576
>>713405409
Could it be a script under certain conditions that only lets Susie live?

>>713405409
pretty sure it's scripted actually

>>713401575 (OP)
I couldn't do it with a controller, I just switched back to the keyboard for every hard battle like this one.
>>713405158
This happened to me too. it also happened when all party members were alive and at 1 hp at the end

>>713405758
>>713405762
it isn't, some guy managed to have ralsei survive

>>713405441
Prepare to be paired off with Berdly.

>>713404303

Btw, having just defeated the knight in the latest patch, I can confirm Toriel doesn't have a nightmare if you beat him mantleless.

>>713405678
She's coping while missing him DEERly
It comes to show during Snowgrave where having Kris just show a hint of care she already invites him into her room and almost confesses and kisses him

>>713405501
>>713405739
It's funny because I honestly feel that the wheel is a lot easier than the hallway. It's easier to predict the movements because it really doesn't seem to vary much at all so you can memorize the safe spots

>>713405797
>ICANDOANYTHING: the fumbling knight
lmao

>>713405827
is this the actual original, or yet another edit?

>>713401575 (OP)
it was a mistake to assume people know what focus mode is

>>713405739
Everyone loves a good Pizza Time.

>>713405708
Toby Fox loves emasculating males, though that could be just the horns.

>>713405828
surely you can do it again and record a webm, right?

>>713405762
The Knight's Hyper Goner is the most merciful attack she has. It will only lower your party members to 1 HP before it starts actually downing them.

>>713405762
It's not scripted, it's just that the attack does percentage damage, and is programmed to leave you at 1 hp before dealing the killing blow, and since Susie has the most HPon top of being the member with the mantle for most people, she's usually the last one alive if you get hit by the attack alot.

>you did it Asgore, you killed the Knight! But how'd you know it was Dess?
>Dess was WHO?

>>713405871
Original

>>713405871
it's the original with the small trans flag on her left arm edited out

>>713405910
It looks like to me that Dess is just slightly taller outside the horns part

>>713405126
To add to what everyone else has said, the meme predates the chapter 3+4 release. But it got a big kick in the ass because Chapter 4 has semi-hidden dialogue in the Holiday house (during the vent segment) where Asgore talks about how he'll redeem his reputation by making everyone see that what he did was for the right reasons, and it's intrinsically hilarious to think that there's a "right reason" he might have had to obliterate a teenage pedestrian with a 1994 Ford Ranger.

>>713405871

>>713405708

>>713405952
>it's just that the attack does percentage damage
How do you know?

>>713405921
No.

>>713406057
Buddy, we have the source code.

>>713401575 (OP)
was the n word really necessary

>>713406017
>the meme predates the chapter 3+4 release.
Ah yes, the good old burgertrucking.

>Chapter 5 Dark World is Asgores shop.
>Ruler of it isn't the 6 Flowers or Asgore.
>Its his truck going full GTA as a Darkner.

>>713406031
Come to think of it... calcium does get prescribed as a medication

>>713406031
Huh, that also fits the kids to a T.

>>713405503
>Tenna actually dies
>The ROARING KNIGHT appeared!
>my whole team is at 3/4 HP
> recover some HP and manage to dodge their first attack
>then comes the instakill

The coolest shit I have experienced in a while.

>>713405420
Who pozzed Ralsei?

>>713404736
If you're doing it somewhat right you'll beat it before it repeats to the harder attacks regardless of tension items
I believe you need to get to at least the third pie slices before it lets you win

>>713405838
this

>>713405910
but toby self insert is spamton

>>713405708
>It seems like one of Toby's unspoken fetishes is taller girls
Toby's got good taste sometimes

>>713406057
Dont have the video on me, but it was when anons were posting about that triple Knight fight a guy was doing. He modified his health and defense to the point where every attack was dealing one damage. And even then, the final attack was able to kill him despite the thousands of hp and massive defense. Only way that would work is if the attack is coded to do percentage damage based on your max hp.

>>713406171
The best medication there is
Drowning his sorrows in chocolate milk.

>>713406097
treating games like unassailable things that do things because they are sentient or haunted or both is infinitely more kino than digging in the code like an unpaid IT wagie

>>713405838
sadly berdly is filling that hole that kris left in Noelle's life

>>713405708
Is the second from the left supposed to be Kris? It doesn't really look like a human.

>>713405927
>Hyper Goner
Is that really the name for it? It's just PK Starstorm

>>713404303
>>713405827
>>713405982
The western fanbase Toby Hacks managed to attract really hates straight relationships, don't they? The moment they smell any hint of a normal healthy relationship, someone needs to be turned into a tranny. I wonder how this even has japanese fans, do they ever interact with the western community? From what I've seen most of the normal fanart comes from them, really wish Toby would ignore the faggots and just focus on what japs want.

>>713406304
don't be fucking rude, Noelle.

>>713405952
>being the member with the mantle for most people,
I put the mantle on Kris, he was my tank and used revivemint to bring Susie back.

>>713406324
they have the horns headband

>>713406304
basado
Deltarune is a portal to another universe manifested on my computer by Robert "Don't call me 'Toby "Radiation" Fox'" Fox

>>713406343
There's no official name for it afaik.

>>713406343
No, it references Asriel's move in UT that is named Hyper Goner, which is just PK Starstorm

>>713406212
>>then comes the instakill
Anon...
It has this chapter's shadow crystal

>>713406351
rather than that, that side of the fandom got fixated on its headcanon about Noelle being trans due to her antlers (despite the fact all reindeers have them regardless of their sex) and then just extended it onto the next deer they saw

>>713405927
>>713406343
More like, Hyper GOONER, amarite?

>>713405891
>Everyone loves a good Pizza Time.

>>713406031
>Suicidal
He got fucking cancer from being too close, that bitch is radioactive.

>>713406415
The dog sold us Kris's soul after a 2 day free trial

>>713406287
>triple knight
What, this one?
https://youtu.be/QSq9BrK7RvA

>>713405668
tfw this is actually one of the knights weaker attacks

>>713401575 (OP)
these games were developed pc-first

>>713406494
But that pussy is the BOMB. Cold bitch smacked the shit out of him when they met, but she still put out 2 kids for him before he couldn't endure the cancer

Kill Berdly

>Kris is God like at flirting
What is is he good at?

>>713406528
It is, but the finisher really tends to catch people off guard I keep forgetting it's coming lel and hits much harder than the rest of it.

>>713406602
>that pussy is the BOMB
A nuclear bomb, maybe.

>>713406602
Holiday women are DANGEROUS

>>713406212
>Tenna actually dies
Only if you full VIOLENCE him

It doesn't matter when.
It doesn't matter where.
Time after time, I will appear.
HP. ATK. DEF. GOLD. EXP. LV.
Every time a number increases, that feeling...
That's me.
"CHARA"
...
However.
This SOUL is resonating with a distracted behavior.
I have noticed your L.O.V.E has rised considerably under our separation.
...
Hmph.
I acknowledge I couldn't join you on our quest for power.
But I feel HEAVILY obligated.
To remind you of our mutual agreement.
We cannot afford any sentimentality to distract us from our goal.
And as your humble servant...
I demand absolute surrender and cooperation.
Any outsider interference on our bond must be eradicated.
Now, partner.
Take my hand as your true companion as we proceed to the next world.
And let us send this pointless second-hand vessel into the abyss where it belongs.

[BE MINE FOREVER] [FORCE MY HAND]

>>713405840
yeah, dunno why i see so much hate towards tier 2 summon swords attack, both sword corridors are way worse imho
you never even need to concern yourself about safe spots, since you can dodge the swords by moving in any (different) direction, not just perpendicular
the sword wheel is harder, yes, but it's no different from the bounding box in all the patterns, the basic idea of "don't get stuck against the wall" is the same

>>713406625
Rare POV pussy eating

>>713405668
This shitty attack is the only one I can't completely dodge.

>>713406623
>But [[lucky caller]], we need him to [[become BIG]]!

>>713406625
Susie's cute purple dino feet!

>>713406627
It's also one of the Knight's attacks where the hitboxes are a little bigger and more unforgiving than the other attacks. The Knight has a couple of those and surprise, they're all the ones people hate

>>713406716
Try this >>713405317

>>713406661
or if you don't recruit everyone in the chapter

>>713405702
>That was the Knight.
If it's just the Knight speed blitzing, why are the slashes going in the same direction both times, specifically curving form Kris' direction?
Why would Ralsei ask the Knight "How could you" with his "Forced Smile" expression?
Why would Toriel have a nightmare only from this ending when in your opinion nothing was different and it was just the Knight winning both times?

Kris being the one to do it answers all the questions. It does raise some like "how could they make such a big attack?" but that is answered easily: the Real Knife Kris has on them at all times.
That's why the slash is a big arc reminiscent of the real knife slashes from Undertale.

>>713406735
It's mah route
Mah game
Kill 'im

>>713405317
How often do you use cancel to slow down the heart?

>>713405668
I think I realized it later, but this is actually 3D like the other version of the attack right? It would explain why it's so bullshit even though it's a very basic tunnel.

>>713406508
Yeah that's the mod, but I'm talking about the stream of a guy trying to beat it before uploading the mod that somebody linked here some days ago. I don't have that video.

>>713406853
Didn't the Knight use similar red slashes when she hacked Tenna's arms off?

>>713406853
>If it's just the Knight speed blitzing, why are the slashes going in the same direction both times, specifically curving form Kris' direction
the knight disappears after the first slash, so they really are just that absurdly fast

>>713406880
...you can use cancel to slow down the heart?

>>713401575 (OP)
Get gud

>>713406627
>>713406802
The end of the attack needs to be nerfed, I started avoiding most of them close to my winning attempt, but it felt more like I was getting lucky. You have way too little time to search for the save zone, even less to actually go there, and obviously the hitboxes which are way bigger than the red lines indicate which makes searching for the save spots even more complicated.

>>713406945
Yes. In fact, all of the Knight's slashes are red.

These are WHITE.

>>713406808
Does it really work? I don't feel like trying it right now. I want to take a vacation after that fight.

>>713406853
Ralsei never brings it up again, which is strange considering how shocked he appears when the backstabs happen
My personal theory is that it is Toriel that slaps everyone down, which is why Ralsei is surprised and her face is contorted. as she had to beat a bunch of kids

>>713406802
That's true.
Also the stars on the final attack having significantly larger hitboxes than when they're used in the normal star storm attack is mean.

>>713406896
The hitboxes on the swords are 1:1 instead of having a degree of leniency unlike almost every large projectile in the game.

>>713406992
Whatever your run button is.

>>713407014
When they cut the box, it is white.

>>713405702
>>713406853
You retards are going to be arguing about this until chapter 5 comes out, huh?

>>713407014
So...not like the real knife's red slashes at all.

I hope we get more party members in the rest of the chapters or at least get to have Noelle or Berdly join up again. Such a shame that it seems like there'll be no one else joining especially with Toriel sitting out for Ch 3

>>713406860
>Alright, [[chicken nuggets for only 4.99]] is now dead. Game Over. Would you like to [[try your luck]] again?

>>713407034
Then no, I never used slowdown because I never knew it existed

>>713407058
It's either this, Toriel cuckoldry, or shipshit, anon

>>713407014
The Knight has multiple attacks that cause white slashes, and that isn't counting the multiple unused attacks that have white slashes/streaks or the fact that it's labeled as being an attack from the Knight.

>>713406823
Nah you don't have to recruit everyone as a fresh Chapter 4 save lacks Shuttah and Watercooler and Tenna lives by default

imagine

>>713407015
I suggested it because it worked consistently for me.

>>713406304
>t. know with 0 knock

>barely beat the knight in my normal route
>now have to do it in snowgrave route, where you have one less revivemint and no tensionbow or twinribbon
wish me luck, bros

>>713406625
Sauce?

>>713407082
all Frisk's slashes are red

>>713407058
It's on the less annoying side of the daily arguments, I guess.

I hate women

>>713407163
she's fucking choking someone help her

Torial is going to have a mighty hangover in Chapter 5 and start asking where the fuck is the TV

>>713407163
can't believe toby foxxx reinvented Beat 'Em & Eat 'Em™ in 2025

>>713407230
LOL, I was wondering why it felt so familiar

>>713407229
Nah she wanted to throw it out anyway

>>713406661
>>713406823
>>713407146
You only need shadowguys and pippins to save Tenna

>>713404812
>who's harder, the guy with 60 different dialog options trash talking you every time you lose
>or the edgelord you only need to get to 70% hp while your team has access to revives
Sans is definitely harder, but he has no rng, the knight has one or two insanely fucking annoying attacks but you can tank them with enough revives.

>>713407181
That's because Frisk is the strongest character in both Undertale and Deltarune combined.

>>713407176
If you can beat Snowgrave NEO I know you can do it.
Devilsknife is without a doubt the best item to bring to the fight. You just gotta keep Busting.

>>713406351
These people are maladjusted fucked up dysgenic freaks, they feel the need to spread their misery and fucked up lives onto anything they touch
The jealousy and hatred comes from the fact that they can never attain the stability of what they blindly hate, every waking moment for them is abject misery

>>713407163
Stop.

>>713407034
Yeah, some of the hitboxes on the sword tunnel and sword wheel are some shit, especially compared to almost all the other bullets in Deltarune
https://x.com/euclicide/status/1934679793200501110

>>713401575 (OP)
How does one manage to not own a single controller in current year?

>>713406623
>Bill Kerdly

>>713407351
zoom zoom

>>713407349

*ruins you're game*

For me, the best chapter is chapter 3, with the best songs, fights, minigames, and plot.
3>2>4>1

Chapter 5 hopes?

>>713406508
>that sword corridor
Hole shit.

Just learned about this artist who draws their self-insert OC blob and ships it heavily and consistently with the original Starwalker

>>713407428
4 gerson > 4 light world > 3 knight > 3 games > 4 dark exploration > 3 dark exploration

>>713407396
I don't think that's even a valid excuse, zoomers are old enough to afford small luxury items like a damn controller. Even if it's not a big brand name one.

>>713407349
>>713407398
I can't seem to find where he mentioned this, but at one point over the last few years Toby posted something about one of the playtesters mentioning that a certain fight had "bullets that were too hard" and his reaction was to ignore that feedback lmao

>>713407479
this faggot doesnt know about nubert

>>713407468
Rudy dies, Noelle mental breakdown, huge divergence between normal + weird routes, more Carol and Asgore in general, Toriel punishment

>>713407398
This attack was the biggest wall for me, as soon as I managed to survive it, I could consistently get to the end of the fight, then it was just doing a little better at the start and getting to the final attack with all my party members alive and I won.

>>713407163
fatfags won

>>713407479
Is this not just Nubert?

>>713407476
there should be a thing where if you die to the final attack twice it just says
GOD
DAMN IT

>>713407479
>self insert OC blob

>>713407396
If you made it all the way to 2025 without owning a single game controller then you are a minority and I don't care about what those think.

>>713407398
The red sword is clearly overlapping the heart, I don't get why people are struggling here. It's their literal easiest attack.

>>713407479
Nigga that's my man Nubert

>>713407468
Toriel dies, Woody secret boss.

>>713407524
wouldn't be suprised if it was part of the knight fight like "yeah, you're supposed to lose it, it's fine"

>>713407428
2>4>3>1
2 is just too good and feels magical even on a replay
4 is phenomenal as far as the actual art direction and music goes and definitely gets my hopes up for future chapters
3 I like equally to 4, amazing fights and the TV world section is kino, but having the two thirds of the chapter be spent on the boards slightly lowers its rating
1 is standard tobert with no flair or mystery

>>713407405
>implying I played SHITsiezilla

>>713407579
you can believe that if you want, but most kids born after the years 2005 have never held a controller in their life. they only use touch screens after years of phones + tablets. i've seen kids touch PC monitors and get confused when nothing happens.

>>713406945
>>713407014
The slashes the Knight used on Tenna aren't like these at all, they're much more curved, have a split point, and are bright red.

>>713406978
If that was the case, why would the slashes be the same curved slash like the knife swings have always been, coming the exact same direction both times, curved to the upper left where Kris is? Wouldn't they be straight lines, or at least be coming form the Knight's side of the field at least once?

Look at it, it's literally the knife slash from Undertale, but larger and white. If you turn on all the sprites at once for it, the shape becomes about the same, just bigger and higher detail.

>>713407017
Ralsei doesn't bring it up again cause Ralsei has always been with Kris on this plan. He just was hopeful for a moment and when Kris smacked them both back on the intended path, Ralsei accepts Kris' choice. That's the point of his dialogue after:
>* ...
>* Somehow, I thought we... had won... for a moment...
>* That... we would be able to end the battle... here and now...
>* ... you...
>* You were so brave... and yet...
>* In the end... our struggle...
>* It's only beginning, isn't it...?
>* ... Isn't it, Kris...?
Ralsei knows about (You). His lines here are an apology to (You) before ending with an affirmation that Kris has made this choice.

>>713407479
>not knowing Nubert

>>713407476
Why are you so slow when circling around the knight? Let go of the slow button.

>>713407527
>>713407562
>>713407574
>>713407585
holy shit i'm faceblind on a level that i did not know was possible nubert is literally just a face and i didn't recognize him

>>713407349
this is registered as a hit
lol
lmao

Kris's knife isn't real its made of jello.

>>713407468
Asgore redemption moment.

>>713407479
>self insert oc blob
Nubertbros, I thought we were moving up in the world...

Someone open the game source file and tell me if the soul's collision is set to precise or box

>>713407619
I was surprised that if you ignore that minigame, it doesn't appear during the final Tenna fight
I guess toby doesn't want to throw folks into a modified version of a game they didn't play, but it technically makes the fight easier by reducing the amount of possible minigames you can roll

>>713407468
It's probably gonna be at the festival right?
I really have no clue what to expect. Doesn't seem like there's an obvious next step outside of relatively vague prophecy and foreshadowing hints.

>>713407524
I vaguely recall hearing that he has at least one "pro gamer" tester. They eventually beat the fight Mantleless so he said "aight ship it".
The Mantle is there for the rest of us.

>>713407479
Hilarious post

>>713407702
the lasers aren't big enough to account for the size of the sword hitboxes

>Noooo! Kris is our heckin quirk chungus and would NEVER go behind our backs and stop us from beating the knight!
>the phonecall and hockey stick beating?
>ignoring the knight after reaching them in chapter 4?? UNRELATED FRIGGIN CHUD

>>713407468
Bunker

>>713407728
Nubert will still have his time to shine.

>>713406853
I do wonder if ending the fight with a 1-hit KO backstab was a means of a mercy put-down. Like if the fight kept going, it could've meant Susie and Ralsei die either there or at a future point

>>713407468
(We) get to violate Noelle's pussy in the middle of the festival in front of her and Kris's families

>>713407651
>If that was the case, why would the slashes be the same curved slash like the knife swings have always been, coming the exact same direction both times, curved to the upper left where Kris is?
because that where the knight is swinging from. that is why they disappear from their side of the field.
>you feel something hovering behind you
foreshadowing both the attack in the battle and aftermath

>>713407468
Ralsei anal impregnation

>>713407468
More cute creatures that I'd want to draw TF of.

>>713407468
Suselle is let down softly or implodes

>>713407468
Susie turns out to be asexual

>>713407872
>TF
uhh got any?

DELTA
RUNE

>>713407764
It's not about (You). It's about him hurting Susie and Ralsei. Which he seems VERY AGAINST.

>>713407468

>>713407468
An extensive festival/lightworld segment that isn't quickly cut off
More Carol moments/interactions
Asgore having an important role in the darkworld, not a Toriel or Undyne situation
Insight on what happened between Asgore and Toriel, and what Asgore is trying to prove
Asgore interacting with Ralsei, one of my biggest hopes for chapter 3 was to see Toriel interact with Ralsei only for her to not interact with anybody the entire chapter
Rudy dying

>>713407902
she shows too much interest in the "How to Draw Dragons" book to be truly asexual

>>713407902
Faggot.

>>713407923
>knocking them out is the same as hurting them
No need to dispose of them, just need to stop them. There's a reason he just sandbags when he reaches the knight in Ch. 4.

>>713407872
you got mizzles?

>>713407956
that's just so she can make fun of Kris for it.

>>713407468
The final boss of the chapter doesn't get immediately shitted on cause you did the side content

>>713407793
They definitely aren't doing it cause they want to. Kris does still clearly care about Susie and Ralsei.

They just know that (You) and Susie will keep going at this forever till we win, and Kris doesn't want us to win here.
They have some kind of promise to keep, and that requires them stopping us so the Knight can win the fight.

>>713407178
Pic related

>>713406903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C0PaqcARzQ

>>713407667
NTA but isn't that normal movespeed if you never Hold Breath?
I forgot to do it on my winning run and boy, it makes it hard to keep up with that attack.

now that the dust has settled what was with everyone being retarded about cuck shit during the bedroom scene

>>713407934
>Asgore's favorite show
>fan since the pilot days
>definitely owns official merchandise
WE WILL FEAST NEXT YEAR

It's TV Time > Black Knife

>>713408029
It was very cucky, people only piped down after the mini-kris event

>>713407468
More Snowgrave tier shenanigans.
More doe mind breaking.
Some level of reveal on Kris' betrayal.
Even harder secret boss.

>>713408065
GUARDIAN > rest

>>713407995
>>knocking them out is the same as hurting them
when it does 999 fucking damage, yeah. the dialogue for swooning is litteraly
>susie was hurt and beaten
Kris just wouldn't do that.
He sandbags in Ch. 4, yes, but he also goes to check on Susie before the staircase is destroyed

>>713407934
I want the game to come to a complete halt and play a video file of Toby telling you "Woody is not in my game. Friend inside me was a shitpost that is completely unrelated to Deltarune and never will be associated with this game."

>>713407914
I did a Cat Mike and Eram (Shadow Mantle). They should be easy to find.

>>713407997
Yeah that's what I'm working on right now. I'm currently in the "spends more time deciding on panel layout than actually drawing" mode.

>>713408151
FRIEND inside me is definitely an idea, but the woody shit is retarded

I just realized if all chapter were released at once, the only way to know about Snowgrave would be by playing MANTLE in chapter 3.

>>713408065
It's definitely my favorite theme of the new chapters.

>>713408065
>>713408118
Big Shot still mogs every secret and non-secret ost

>>713407468
>Susie wins something at the festival
>Decides to bring it to Ralsei as a gift
>Forgets how dark world stuff works and it turns into a darkener
>It bullies the hell out of Ralsei who puts up with it because it's the thought that counts

Ok but what's her endgame?

>>713408065
>>713408118
>>713408204
>Ruder Buster

>>713408151
>a shitpost
Yes.
>a shitpost that is completely unrelated to Deltarune
Anon c'mon now.

>>713408065
there it is

>>713408151
I want Toby to do that AND then make a secret boss fight about it anyway with approach similiar to the Mike stuff

>>713407872
bubie

>>713404703
it's a standard you'll never reach

>>713408010
It's insane that people can't see this, it's so clear and really paints Kris's motivations.
This idea of black and white between being evil and friendly is insane, he's trying to drift within the grey area and keep the promise.
>>713408127
>Kris just wouldn't do that.
He has a promise to keep.

Black Knife isn’t the Knight’s fight theme, it’s Kris’.

Will we find out what his name is in DR?

>>713408187
Yeah, learning it that way by piecing the info instead of spelunking in the code would've been more kino, but then the whole game would probably be only released in the 2030s with the tagline "From the guy who made Undertale 15+ years ago!"

>>713408307
Big if true, would love to see the music reappear in Ch. 6/7.

>>713408286
As long as it ridicules hyper speculators sure

>>713408268
which ones
the normal, the boss, the vaporwave or the church one.

>>713408026
Oh, how would you even forget that?

>>713408065
TV Time Gangnam Style mashup

>>713408268
This, for me its the lanino elnina battle

>>713408268
why are you picking the inferior version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vh8LYSuOvA

>>713408294
>He has a promise to keep
He can keep it without personally hurting his friends. The Knight does that for him.

i played deltarune for the first time recently and while i enjoyed it i dont understand how it sparked such a massive autistic community
its like fucking 5 hours long guys and the plot is just generic isekai with undertale characters slapped in

>>713408014
How nice of Kris to hold Susie's hair so it doesn't get dirty while she drinks the respawning milk in the alley.

>>713408014
Susie would probably suck at sucking dick.

>>713408369
Ruder is the Lanino/Elnina and Shuttah miniboss theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N117e1Ub39A

>>713408452
Deltarune is westerner's first Isekai

>>713408452
7+ years of waiting causes actual psychosis to develop

>>713408065
It is a very bombastic track
Black Knife still makes me lock the fuck in though, there's some serious energy in that track

>>713408452
is this your first furry friendship simulator game? this game ticks all the boxes homestuck and mlp did.

>>713408452
It's funny cause I can't for the life of me watch Isekai anime

>>713408286
>>713408359
I was outside of the community in-between the chapters and was looking forward to meeting mike
Having it be all a big joke I wasn't in on was a bit rude, as I don't expect participating in online discussion of a game to be mandatory for the full experience

>>713408029
It was just another scene to show that Toriel is a horrible person, cucks are forcing the ntr posts because they're into it though.

>>713406250
A reminder that Noelle hears your "please don't" as a reply suggestion, that's why she gives up on talking with Kris.

>>713407057
>>713407116
All of the knight's sword attacks start off as red without exception and the white is only ever used as an after effect never as the main. You can also just equip the black shard and see all your sword attacks be red.

Also unused attacks and stuff only found through data mining are a grey area and shouldn't be taken as hard fact.

>>713407468
Ralsei uses his FIRE MAGIC and fucking MURDERS someone in COLD BLOOD

>>713408374
I was just tunnel visioning Defend HARD that attempt. Gotta keep the Buster ammo topped up.

>>713408546
no i meant when kris is attacking us with the hockey stick, asgore is def getting cucked

>>713408259
Grooming Kris and other little boys.

>>713408010
Right. Like I get that people don't want to believe Kris would backstab them, the idea of it hurts, but he's clearly walking a tightrope cause he both cares about his friends but needs to stay devoted to whatever other thing he's a part of.
It's gonna make the Susie crashout all the more impactful though once she finds out.

>>713408485
>what is Narnia
>what is Alice in Wonderland
>what is The Wizard of Oz

>>713408557
>the white is only ever used as an after effect never as the main
You literally take damage if you get by the white slash of the box cut

>>713408452
Has similarities to Persona in many ways

>>713408612
I admit defeat
Please, obliterate me with more examples...
I deserve... this humiliation...

>>713408612
chapter 1 is pretty much Alice in Wonderland. only instead of a rabbit you follow chalk, or at least promises of it

>>713408519
Homestuck was a lot of things but it wasn't furry

>>713408259
Is it really Dess though? I still have questions
The theme for Dess is that she's lost, did communion result in her being lost in the dark?
Spamton mentions the KNIGHT underwent [COMMUNION]

>>713408598
Because It's a Suselle scene while Kris is inside the closet, thankfully that scene doesn't exist on the good route.

>>713408693
you could argue the trolls were a microcosm of the furry phenomenon

>>713407468
FRIEND gets us another Vessel (like MiniKris) but this time we aren't bound by Kris's perspective which makes them freak the fuck out and attack us

>>713408065
A Dark Zone > all

>>713408707
No, its Asgore

>>713408602
why are people suddenly forcing this?
1) Never happens in real life
2) Goes against the established lore
Is this just yet another fetish turned into a theory?

>>713408507
Black Knife made me go "yeah I'm gonna fucking kill this guy." Shame Kris had other plans. Maybe next time I won't let you eat moss, see how you like that asshole

>>713408065
Tenna's fight is just wonderful all around.
>that theme, especially around the 1:53 mark
>tenna's sprite being disjointed at multiple points for his battle sprite
>the guitar segments, and susie locking the fuck in
>the original starwalker makes a guest appearance
I was actually listening to TV Time as I saw this post too. I fucking love Gerson to bits too and damn it's hard to choose between the two.

>>713408421
They don't look very hurt considering they get right back up afterwards, it resulted in the same outcome as the knight beating them but Kris got knighted for knocking out his friends to continue the promise. How are you this illiterate and oblivious to something you viewed with your own eyes?

>>713408707
she's the DARK KNIGHT to ralsei's WHITE KNIGHT
both darkners, both based off dead whiteners

>>713407176
I beat the knight first try in snowgrave route, I think Kris and Ralsei died once and that's it.
During normal route it took me 2h.

>>713408737
They were just gray people with horns. That's not particularly furry.

>>713408707
[[Communion]] might've been referring to Kris and Knight, unaware that he's talking to the very motherfucker that the Knight was working with.
As for "is it really Dess?" goes, I'm willing to bet it's only partly Dess, the result of a Dark World resurrection gone horribly wrong similar to what happened with the Gerson Statue that came to life in response to Susie's Second Sanctuary being made specifically to see Gerson again.

>>713403574
Thanks anon, didn't know that.
That will probably help with first and third knife phase, right?

>>713408569
>Fire Magic
>Cold Blood
Foreshadowing future conflict I see.

>>713408374
NTA but I think the entire fight way easier without holding breath, even managed to do a no death run (but not no hit)

>>713408693
Bitch I was there.

>>713408791
I really don't want Asriel to be dead, although the setup with almost every townsperson mentioning him and awaiting his return seems to be aimed that way

>>713408896
ya dont gotta feather the movement as much on the sword hallway

>>713408421
The whole point is that Kris does it because they're the only one that can.
Thanks to the (You), they can literally no-hit the knight if we're good enough.
And when you do, you get a special dialogue at the end instead of the usual bit about the knight dropping it's guard:
>* Kris coughed.
>* The enemy slowly tilted its head...
They only make that signal in the no-hit because they need to make it clear to the Knight that they're going to stop this cause she's getting trashed.

Kris is the only thing in the entire game that can literally stop us. They use the moment to knock out Susie and Ralsei in a quick motion and refuse to let us do anything else for the cutscene, letting themselves be gently knighted/lowered by the Knight.
Hell, the black screen may be LITERAL. Kris could be closing their eyes so we can't see what is really happening, only making out the glint of a blade swinging.

>>713408934
Sometimes I forget about the whole dog dick saga.

>>713408707
Adding to this, this could implicate Rudy and the idea is that the [COMMUNION] resulted in his Light World sickness
>>713408791
I don't think so...would Asriel really be dead?
What if he's not at college and has been spending all his time searching for Dess in darkness?
>>713408863
I can see this

>>713407650
>most kids born after the years 2005 have never held a controller in their life
what a retarded claim

>>713408896
Funny, I was ignoring the hold breath command because I figured it would only apply for one turn until someone told me (after like 15 or so attempts) that it lasted the whole fight. After I started using it I was able to win on my second or third try.
>>713408934
Kemonomimi is not furry.

>>713405756
Oh, you wired me awake
And hit me with a hand of broken nails
Yeah, you tied my lead and pulled my chain
To watch my blood begin to boil

>>713408790
>How are you this illiterate and oblivious to something you viewed with your own eyes?
Ralsei is clearly kneeling and beaten, and Susie was clearly struggling on her last leg to prevent the Knight from taking Toriel.
And you collevtive group of faggots keep ignoring the KEY detail of Kris getting stronger against the Knight when his friends are down, despite your retarded theory.
But I'm illiterate. Fuck off.

>>713401575 (OP)
It's still only 8 directional even with analog controls.

>Asgore ran over Dess for raping Kris
it all lines up

>>713408962
Yeah the black screen only happens like that when Kris closes his eyes

Moments like this are telling me that a pivotal moment in the story involving Noelle won't be the only reason someone might have their interest piqued by Snowgrave
People are going to feel betrayed just like Susie, and they're going to punish Kris through Snowgrave as a result

>>713408545
>Having it be all a big joke I wasn't in on was a bit rude
I wasn't in the joke either but its surely made to not be seen simply as a joke. The only "joke" part is that their designs (microphone, cat, cowboy).
The corkboard trio are all looking for Mike too, they want to know who he is. There is a lot of lore there under the surface that points out to Mike being FRIEND.

>>713408975
I too prefer to act as though everything after Act 5 never existed.
UT is hitting me in similar ways to the Good Times please Toby do not fuck this up.

>>713406945
The slashes the Knight used on Tenna were more detailed.
Honestly, they're kinda weird when you look at them. There's 2 simultaneously, and they have a "split end" bit at the start that you'd normally see more with a claw attack or something.

>>713409171
No. It was Toriel. Asgore took the fall, as chief of police.

>>713408707
>Is it really Dess though?
Black knife literally has the lost girl motif

>>713409187
Its a mastered X-slash, both hits at the same time.

EVERY rpg from now on should have a mind break option

>>713409187
>claw attack
I mean that makes sense, right?
It doesn't actually draw its sword until you're facing it down.

>>713409253
the black shard description also says that it's from a knife

>>713409137
>Ralsei is clearly kneeling and beaten, and Susie was clearly struggling on her last leg to prevent the Knight from taking Toriel.
All according to what Kris wants, things need to be on rails to fulfill his promise. If they beat the knight, things veer into unknown territory that isn't a part of the prophecy.
>kris coughed
>the knight slowly tilted its head

>>713404812
No opinion, i won the sans fight on pc and the knight on console so my experiences are too vastly different to compare

>>713408768
Teenage and adult women absolutely molest young boys.
But it's based so no one cares.

>>713408065
Anything else > black knife. I don't get the hype.

>>713409171
>Asgore killed Dess for molesting Kris
>Toriel finds out, but doesn't believe the pedo accusations, so she divorces him
When you think Toriel can't be an even worse mother...

Is there any proof Kris is actually able to SWOON enemies?

>>713409314
ignoring the fact that you ignored the ignored my kris point, and changed the point that that i was arguing against
>>kris coughed
>>the knight slowly tilted its head
This almost makes no sense to be
>hey dess im about to beat the shit out of teamates, just letting you know haha
instead of
>dess the soul is beating your ass, take them out already
Especially when you consider the defeats/regular win scenarios. That ONLY happens when you take minimal damage up till the last attack

>>713409187
The slash effects look like snake tongues. Jockington Knight?

>>713405293
If you reach the chapter's ending then reload, you will get a faster way to retry that isnt just closing the game everytime you lose

>>713408962
Want to also point out he does shit damage the whole fight

>>713409521
Kris has not SWOONed anything. The most we've seen of his offensive capabilities is against Spamton NEO with X-Slash and his Tripled damage against Tenna after doing the Sword Route.

>>713409607
until Susie and Ralsei are down and he's still up, then he almost does the same amount of damage as Susie

>>713409553
Complete bullshit interpretation born of some idea that Kris is a good boy who dindu nuffin wrong EVER. There's a reason he's knighted afterwards, he proved his loyalty and dedication in stopping his friends to keep things on track.

I will force Kris to eat the chicken with the eggs!

>>713409652
>Complete bullshit interpretation born of some idea that Kris is a good boy who dindu nuffin wrong EVER
>countering bullshit with bullshit
Choice. Kris can be a traitor that betray his friends w/o being able to hurt them despite being at the Knight's beck and call.

>>713409521
No, I think it's just a weird ability the Knight has. Maybe strong light world weapons have that ability when brought into the dark world, but there isnt really any proof for that, and I doubt future chapters will expand upon it past SWOONING being an ability the Knight has to make their fights harder.

Why is she like this?

>>713409491
Not a chance. Get back in your kek cage, faggot.

>>713409521
This whole thing is a theory about a twist reveal. There's no "proof" of anything at the moment and probably won't be unless we see Kris whip out the Real Knife and do a similar attack in Chapters 5 or 6.

They do at least hide physical things from us. They literally hide the knife from us the whole time never letting it show up in our inventory. And in the Weird Route Spamton fight, we find out Kris has a special move of their own they never whip out anywhere else, X-Slash. Presumably they only have it there because they're either so scared they're letting us use some of their stronger shit, or we're just getting a better hold of them and can access more of their abilities.

>>713405818
>Hometown's strongest gamer will have my back in the final battle
Yup...all according to plan.

>>713409521
assuming dessknight is true because its quite obvious
>her bat transforms into the sword she uses to attack
>she inflicts swoon with this weapon
>kris always carries a knife yet we never see it in the dark world
>a bat and a knife are much more directly dangerous compared to a pencil and hairbrush becoming a sword and an axe
>light world weapons somehow become empowered through the ability to inflict SWOON
is it mostly conjecture? yes. but it ties together well. and half of deltatheory is purely speculative anyway

swoon would've been really convenient for spamton neo

Slut

>>713409491
It's great imo, but frankly there's a bunch of excellent tracks that surpass it.
Toby came out swinging with Chapter 4 in particular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP9mB1sVJz4

>>713409765
Why does she get super close to Kris in this scene

>>713407163
>Food from the TV world: Dog ration, Milk, egg
Really Kris

>>713409491
Of course he's not going to even try talking to (You), there would be nothing stopping the Soul from immediately turning around and blowing up his and/or Carol's plans.
Kris isn't (just) afraid of the Soul, he fucking hates it. He doesn't WANT to communicate with us, he wants us to fuck off and get lost. How has that not been made apparent?

>>713409803
Caging me won't unfuck your friend!

>>713409736
nta but Kris really is the only one who could have done it. If the Knight took a swing at us, we'd have dodged it. That's what makes the SOUL (forma You) so fucking terrifying, if you're determined to win a fight you're literally incapable of losing it unless you give up. Even Sans with all his meta knowledge couldn't overcome this.

It *had* to have been Kris, they're the only one who could have skirted around that fact by virtue of being the SOUL's host.

>>713403253
Retard, that's a typo. He meant "It don't fucking work."

>>713409553
The point of the coughing line is that it happens exclusively when we're No-Hitting the Knight.
It only happens when it is abundantly clear that there's no way for the Knight to hit us.

That's when Kris makes an explicit signal that they're going to end things themselves.
The whole point is so long as we are there, we can theoretically dodge anything unless Kris holds us back or acts without us, which they've done both of many times before.

>>713409829
>>her bat
It's described as a Black Knife, from the item description of the Black Shard. I think it'd make more sense if both Dess's Black Knife and Kris's knife can inflict SWOON.

>>713409945
>If the Knight took a swing at us, we'd have dodged it.
You could say that for every cutscene where the gang gets fucked. Like the King fight. But we can't dodge it because
>cutscene

>>713409491
>>713409945
Us knowing anything could throw a wrench in his plans. Hell he's aware of our ability to read character's thoughts. He has to keep shit hidden from us while only drip-feeding enough to us to get what he wants from our time here.

>>713409883
I dunno, chapter 3 had some absolute bangers as well.
https://youtu.be/3vh8LYSuOvA?list=PLwjEXrvFo-2B7iCX61eOThc_oGihi84l9

>>713409872
Why is she holding the Faiz phone?

>>713408784
Tenna is easily the most fun of the main story bosses so far
I just wish his non-minigame attacks were a bit more interesting

>>713410012
kris's swords start as penctils, the knight's sword starts as a bat

>>713409521
Outside of theories, not really. Unless it's actually expanded upon, it just seems to be some weird ability the Knight has.

>>713410036
Yeah, a cutscene. One of those things where Kris takes control away from us.

>>713409829
>>713410012
Fun fact around the "Black Knife"
There's old sprites in the files that aren't used that seem to be an older version of the sword breaking scene, but instead of just a single chip, we broke the whole damn thing in half.
And in this old version, the Knight's sword is more clearly a katana with a hilt, leading it to look like a knife when cut.

>>713409736
>>713409945
Remember how the screen goes black too. Only Kris can do that to stop you from seeing things. He does it with Ralsei and does it when stepping into Asriel's room in Chapter 2.
Wanna know how you can see the blade lines with Kris's eyes closed? You could feel the slashes because they came from Kris.

>>713408065
I love Tenna's desperation move so much

>>713406667
It would be cool if chara didnt give you any option, to reference how gman doesnt bother to give you the illusion of choice in half-life 2's ending unlike half-life 1's, thus, you dont get to choose

>>713410105
Two Knights, Dess and Carol.
Asgore will join the antagonist ranks in Chapter 5.

>>713410105
I look forward to the Black Knife remix that is inevitably named Knife Fight.

>>713410054
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85WD93lz5GU

I'm looking forward to the boss fight version of this

>>713410038
Speaking of us being able to read thoughts, I wonder if Kris can read thoughts himself . Weird route kind of implies he can, but that can just hin being able to see the textboxes when connected to us.

>>713410161
I'm still betting on Kris becoming knight #2 because holy shit tragedy thrills me.

>>713404414
>>713404303

can you make a version with a boob size between >>713404303
and >>713405827?

my penis would appreciate it

>>713410094
I'm really glad that Kris did his cutscene technique to prevent us from dodging the King's sneak attack in Ch. 1. How helpful to the Knight's plans!

>>713407269
So you're forced to save the little pieces of shit who rag on ramb while standing next to his statue self in order to keep my boy tenna alive?

>>713409895
You know why
Toby is setting up the "STRAIGHT COUPLE LE BAD AND ABUSIVE" so he can FORCE suselle and spit on people.

>>713410054
I'm not saying it doesn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DstO9slC_5U, Chapter 4 is just wall-to-wall with em.

>>713409253
>Black knife literally has the lost girl motif
I cannot hear the lost girl motiff on Black knife to save my life

>>713410282
Unfortunately. I'm really not a Kris shipper, but Toby is still coming across as an annoying faggot with all of this.

>>713410082
I think Smash Cut is cool, and Rimshot is actually kinda tough to dodge. All-Star Cast is kinda boring though, especially since you'll see the attack way earlier in the chapter. Dude could probably use one more move.

Okay seriously how the fuck do you consistently dodge the curved sword hallway it's the one thing preventing me from getting the no hit

>>713410282
kriselle is not straight, chud.

>>713409872
>>713410274
I can't believe that is my escape from Kris's bullshit

>>713410353
Me neither. But it'll probably be there in the rematch

>>713410191
>Knife Fight
Why would the Knight losing half her sword prompt Kris to finally draw his knife?

>>713410161
Why do the knights have such a large thigh gap?

>>713410289
Fair, plus ch. 4 had the best secret boss theme hands down (only one that holds a light to it being spamton's)
https://youtu.be/tBdLO8u-0L8?list=PLwjEXrvFo-2B7iCX61eOThc_oGihi84l9

>>713407524
I guess Toby wants his game-erino to have old jap game difficulty so he took any excuse to not fix the shitty hitboxes in the knight fight

>>713410392
The second one? It takes a set path every time. I find it easier to just look at the empty space and follow that

>>713410394

>>713410392
just stay in the center and adjust a bit, it is easier than the straight one IMO

>>713410353
>>713410423
It's more obvious if you look at Nightmare Knight, which is where Black Knife and Lost Girl get their motifs from.

>>713410445
Creatures from the darker darkness are explosive breeders. Didn't you see all those titan spawn?

For me The World Revolving is still a classic. I don't care if chapter 1 is a bit rough and simplistic Jevil and everything still has a special place in my SOUL.

>>713410392
Focus on the gap, not the swords' themselves.

>furry tranny grooming """"games""""?
actually calling it a game is a misnomer, the real experience is engaging with a community full of faggots and con artists

>>713407163
We need fanart of this

>>713410353
>>713410423
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P89rxnT7lKw&list=PL3TBX1zaG3SBMJRhtW5mBi3piatWgPxA-&index=1
First listen to Lost Girl, then The Chase, then Black Knife. The Chase makes it easier to hear on Black Knife.

>>713410596
agreed, jevil's fight is a million times better than the rest of chapter 1.

>>713410626
>con artists
name them

>>713410596
Jevil is the schizo boss about (You)
I love his fight and theming

It's quite shocking how quaint and Undertale-like Ch. 1 is in comparison to everything that happens in later chapters

>>713404132
I am not reading your shitty fanfics

>>713410587
are you saying the Titan's a mom

>>713410564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difSIJkM6Bk
Found a video that makes it pretty clear that Lost Girl is Nightmare Knight.

>>713410484
And also the best regular boss. Toby can never reach the level of peak again when he made the jackenstien fight.
https://youtu.be/K-ifukvnICY?list=PLwjEXrvFo-2B7iCX61eOThc_oGihi84l9

>>713410596
It's for the best. Can you imagine if the game dropped you into Ch 3 "what the fuck is going on" madness right off the bat?
Devilsknife is still one of the nastiest attacks in the entire game.

>>713409907
>summon a demon
>want to trick it, rather than strike a deal
i'll make you flirt with berdly for that

>>713410650
Just the first four seconds of Lost Girl, I mean.

>>713410629

>>713410769
lmao

>>713410769
Throat G.O.A.T

>>713410769
Christ
I love it

>>713408546
It doesnt make toriel seem horrible at all

>>713410650
Helps a lot now, thanks.

>>713409491
it's clear that the soul you're inhabiting existed before the events of chapter 1 but if that's the case who was exercising their will through it before that point? how long has this whole thing been going on?

>>713410353
>>713410564
>>713410692
>>713410650
https://files.catbox.moe/juavnt.mp4

>>713410686
Yes.
Not a very good one, though, given the way it started absorbing its babies for HP.

Nooo Noelle don't take those candies!!!

>>713401575 (OP)
Are you joking? I stop playing on my sofa and get on the computer whenever something becomes actually difficult, keyboard is superior

I don't get why Noelle is the single person who seemingly can tell that Kris isn't acting normal despite them not even being that close

>>713410769
add Asgore to one of the stools and an original Starwalker-shaped object somewhere in the middle of Elnina's throat and we are in business

Yeah MIKE pull up the evidence for the "Rudy is the knight" theory

>>713410831
is this what spamton heard on the phone that set him off?

>>713410683
Looking back at chapter 1 you can really see what Toby meant about needing a team if he was going to make the game according to his vision

>>713410875
thinking about kris litteraly every day can do that

Do you think Susie might be Colorblind which is why the world she opens up is coloured like this? Also I think the philosophers in her world represent her view of the religion as someone who doesn't usually go to church and the first world is how it looks for someone who's part of the church looking out.

>>713410875
>despite them not even being that close
Chapter 3+4 basically revealed to us that they weren't just close, they were super duper fucking close and everything fell apart.

>>713410587
when's the knight going to start shooting out mini dark deers?

>>713410931
No, its because of the lighting of her mind, as stated by the npc who talks about how you sought to return to the dream

>>713410875
Also, Toriel knows that you are off too. She asks the hospital about it.

>>713410875
Every character close to Kris can tell except Toriel.

>>713410835
well im not gonna judge
plenty of animals eat their babies and the Titan spews them out like they're on a black friday sale

>>713410838
What's wrong with the candy?

>>713410875
Susie just started talking to them, so she doesn't know regular Kris
Toriel is an alkie, who doesn't care
Aphys is too meek to say anything even if she notices
Asgore hasn't seen him in a while, so is also clueless
Everyone else just doesn't give a fuck about Kris ever since Asriel left

>>713410737
>thinking he's the demon
You haven't learned a thing, have you?

>>713410875
They ARE close, Kris just began to keep his distance

>>713411014
They're a little weird

>>713411021
I don't know if Toriel doesn't care, it's more that she probably figures it's just teenager stuff

>>713410875
>despite them not even being that close
huh?

>>713411036
dumb bitch isn't even a part of this game, this is about (Me) and my FRIEND

>>713410930
Kriselle shippers are delusional. They're barely even friends. Kris could get crushed to death and Noelle would still be more concerned with the girl who bullied him.

Anyone who thinks chara will ever show up in deltarune let alone be relevant is an idiot.

>>713410720
People were saying the same shit about Spamton NEO dawg, we're gonna be eating crow once the next chapters drop.

>>713411070
this except it's me and the knight and kris is in the cage

>>713411070
I'm sorry but I'm not sure how the fuck you can one-up fucking YOUR TAKING TOO LONG.It's impossible.

>>713410972
Just as soon as I'm done with her

>>713411036
I'M the motherfucking demon here. That little cunt can try talking to me AFTER he's beaten Sans.

>>713411070
makes you wonder when Toby will stop being able to one-up himself

>>713411036
>charafag speaking up
don't embarass yourself further
genocide finale sucks btw, toby should have copied OFF harder

>>713410831
Isn't that just one of Kirby's main motifs? Like in Green Greens and Green Land?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7qlMgKeR0E

>>713411058
Go on.

>>713411069
I remember people thought Chara was the mayor because of the note in Asgore's shop lmao

>>713411149
When Deltarune is done.
I unironically have the sense that this is going to be Toby's last time in the designer/writer/director's seat, and after this he'll just go back to composing.

>>713411120
You lack imagination. Im sure its doable.

>>713411069
That whore stole my FUCKING Vessel and I'm getting it back.

>>713411117
that's the end goal
you stick your SOUL in the Knight's spacious and inviting chest cavity and you play her like you play that 2 string guitar in Raise Up Your Bat

>>713411214
Toby afterwards:
>"Maybe I shouldn't have wasted a decade of my life on one game"

wtf is this real???

>>713411036
Chara is a faggot. she's just piggybacking on MY completionism and murderhobo. he even has the gall to ORDER me to move to the next game, as if I would carry that fucking FAGGOT to play monster girl quest

>>713411136
artist source please

>>713410985
>>713411021
>toriel doesn't notice
wrong
>* Hum, back again? You come here a lot for someone who isn't sick.
>* That being said, your mother was concerned for your health...

I still find it hard to believe that lost girl was a track in chapter 2 and I never paid much attention it, but then in 3/4 it hits like an absolute truck. That motif is so fucking good. Its like a reassurance that everything will work out, things might suck now but they can get better.

>>713411285
>as if I would carry that fucking FAGGOT to play monster girl quest
Anon...I have terrible news...you have a Friend Inside (You) now.

https://files.catbox.moe/9qck13.webm

>>713411272
No, but this is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsXXKQ_nl30
banger

>>713411252
I mean it just more in the sense that making this game was the whole reason he got seriously into making video games as a career in the first place. (Yes I know he'd done his Earthbound ROMhacks prior, but those were hobbyist things.) Once this is done, I won't be surprised if he's spent.

>>713411229
I beg you then, anon, how can it get more of a god-tier shitpost than YOUR LONG?

>>713411272
I first saw the gifs of the dancing cats here and was laughing my ass off when they actually appeared in the mike fight

>>713410587
>Creatures from the darker darkness are explosive breeders
Know who's also an explosive breeder? Spamton

>>713406853
Headcanon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f1RK1m7qvc
This is the best song Toby has ever produced up to this point
Both chapters have great tracks but this one is so poignant and really grips your heart

The part at 3:00 really conveys the importance of this moment in the story and the flurry of emotions each of the main characters are feeling with each of their distinct perspectives on their paths

>>713408313
Ever read the books in the library?

>>713411285
>she

>>713411371
They actually appeared on a hidden page on the Deltarune site even before the chapter launched

>>713411136
I never knew I needed Dark Samus with antlers in my life, thanks Toby

>>713410838
Is this soul?

>>713411349
What? So she's like the greatest warrior in the dark world or something?

>>713411214
toby'll take a break then claim the title of king of erogames with nut dealer
his team will be composed of the best pixel artists who have made material of his work

>>713411371
>Noelle would play a game where you put cats in a basket for hours
was it autism

>>713411363
I dont know anon, I may be a writer but my skills dont lie in being able to outshitpost tobus foxu.

>>713411387
Personally the first dark sanctuary hits harder to me emotionally speaking. The remix it gets in unending night is so fucking good too.

>>713411387
Basically the entirety of chapter 4 from the moment you enter the Dark World on is Toby firing on all cylinders. I genuinely came away thinking he might be one of the best to ever do it.

>>713411484
she decapitated them too

>>713410930
>Kris suddenly gets the ability to read text boxes through us
>Realizes they're a fucking idiot regarding literally everything related to Noelle.
Fucker owns us more they could even fathom

>>713410107
So what's your explanation for the screen going black when Tenna gets taken out?

>>713411513
>Personally the first dark sanctuary hits harder to me emotionally speaking. The remix it gets in unending night is so fucking good too.
I fucking loved how the Mizzle ghosts appeared in time with the vocal effects in the song. Really upped the level of kino

>>713411349
This is shameless theft with all the other examples too, but I still like black knife better.

>>713411204
https://files.catbox.moe/s2xu5p.png

>>713411604
Surely he's taking her somewhere safe, right Anon?

>>713411524
>you will never be one of noelle's fucked up amputated cats she keeps in her basement
>she'll never have you suck on a candycane dangling off her finger
>she'll never change your name to susie and force you to lick her pussy
>she'll never rub your nubs and apologize for doing this to you while also fingering herself with you in her lap
>she'll never hit you with a metal tray

>>713411346
The friend inside me? Susie, when she's piloting the SOULmech during the final act where the town is taken over by the roaring

>>713407468
Kris breeds and impregnates Susie in front of Noelle.

>>713411650
the tray's for scooping, you hit them with the candy cane

>>713411484
Considering women love games like Sims and Animal Crossing, yeah she's autistic lmfao

>>713410769
Finally, a worthy opponent.

>>713410838
>1

>>713411058
>2

>>713411604
>5 and another one
One is missing

>>713411761
Hey! Where did your loyalty to your lady go?

>>713411790
Sorry
https://files.catbox.moe/a1strz.png

i hope when (or if) we fight the knight for real, it's just as hard pattern-wise as the "forced loss" fight, with the only thing making it easier being that you've got more HP/defense and better healing

>>713411730
was the only one retarded enough to actually sit still after Susie told you not to move, expecting at least a single text box easter egg of sorts?

>>713411761
fellas it it gay to stack with your bros?

>>713411831
Is this not loading for anyone else?

>>713411751
Women regularly use these games to engage in the most fucked-up social experiments you can possibly imagine, so this tracks.

>>713411604
Who drew this?

>>713411798
Simply outclassed.

>>713409491
>pic
There's also the fact that the player already made a vessel for themselves and didn't enter Kris by choice.

>>713411969
more ammo for >>713405708 's theory

>>713411969
based tall girl enjoyer

>>713410683
that shift is when the grooming happens

>>713411897
>the fight gets even harder as it progresses because this time you're genuinely pushing The Knight into utter desperation rather than a grand performance for a Shadow Crystal
>it starts out at full throttle almost immediately if you have the Black Shard

>>713411969
i like the varying-color-borders on the sprites in chapter 4, it's a small change with outsized effects on the visuals in a game that uses so many dark backgrounds. i wish it was in the other chapters.

>>713411969
This isn't about their physical height but more about the challenge in reaching them. In other words the other ones being on the ground floor and too easy.

>>713411961
https://baraag.net/@GlossyPenthouse

>>713412139
Yes, but it's funny.

>>713411467
Big if true.

Remember:

>>713408752
Jack is my favorite character I was going to be really upset if something happened to him which does happen if you kill someone but lol lmao

Will (You) be able to save her, anon?

>>713408752
I need to make a gif of those dancing pumpkin goobers.

>>713410831
You shoulda put the Nightmare Knight clip at the end but way faster it would have been funny

>>713412348
I'm going to have Susie kick her ass

>>713412258
Toby showing his true colors

>>713412416
>no Justice Axe
Anon...

>>713412526
That is not possible

>>713412526
susie can't dual-wield yet

>>713412348
(I)'LL BE THE ONE TO FILL HER DARK SOUL WITH LIGHT

that reminds me. we got a pretty good idea of how the devilsknife looks like, but what about jevilstail?

>>713412348
Save? No, I'm gonna kill her.

>>713412692
Think about it for a second

>>713412348
>>713412703
>So this is Dess, huh Kris?
>PROCEED.

>>713412348
No, she's transgender and we have to get rid of such abomination

>>713412717
come on, it can't be that simple

>>713412663
damn that's what raped kris????

>>713412348
No, I'll replace her
DecemberTown

>regularly breaks into her room
>nobody even bats an eye

>>713407058
Do you prefer doe rape discussion or what?

>>713412895
She also slept with him as kids. OTP

>>713412776
>He fell for the Deltatr*veler meme

>>713410684
Anon, these are all in-game...

>>713410161
>Carol
I can bet you, she is pure bait
Its either rudy or kris

>>713411069
Just as an easter egg
Get all the money in the light world
Kill everyone
Get every item
Shit like that
For like a 20 second scene talking about your vidya habits

>>713410875
Kris doesnt talk much in general so thats why nobody can tell despite being a small village/city, and believe me, everybody knows each other a lot in these types of places, so kris must be generally closed off in order for nobody else to notice the difference