Thread 713464219

>>713464219 (OP)
>DONT RETIRE...PLEASE SEE THE FUTURE WITH US

>>713464219 (OP)
How did someone get this mindbroken with some nip

>give us money so we can fund AAA flops like balan wonderland forspoken and foam stars
Nah.

AIIIIYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ITAI YO!!!!!!! ATSUI YO!!!!!!!
WHY WHY DID I DESTOROY FAINARU FANTAJI?!?!?!?!?!?!
TASUKETE KUDASAI!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713464676
FF has been dead for 20 years, move on, play other games

>>713464219 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYlAGogNqBg

>>713464219 (OP)
Sell some of your rings.

>>713464219 (OP)
It's more like
>we don't have any talented devs because they were all assigned to other projects while ff14 is being used to raise new people
but yeah

This is all because anti-wuk chuds didn't buy the official FFXIV hair dye.

>>713464219 (OP)
didn't your thread just get pruned?

>>713465234
Didn't you apply for a janitor position and get denied?

>>713465081
When are they releasing the official Wuk's dick removal tools?

dawntrail has officially flopped, SE killed its golden goose to chase a nonexistent tranny customer base

>>713464887
cringe

>low-quality b8 thread
>gets no traction
>people start discussing the game in earnest
>thread deleted
>new low quality b8 thread
>gets no traction
>rinse and repeat

>>713462648
>I mean to me this makes so much sense because the rest of us are a very clear afterthought in content consideration if Yoshida's mindset is domestic focused that is looking at the metrics for what the JP player base are doing rather than what everyone world wide is doing.
It took you until 12 years after A Realm Reborn to figure that out? Or are you just that new.

>>713464887
need to shit down this lalas throat

>>713465234
put your janitor application in and your dream can be fulfilled
oh, you aren't one? opinion discarded LOL

>>713464447
He spent years saying XVI would bomb. It didn’t, and not only that but it mogged Rebirth.

nip gaming is on its knees

>>713465564
Real?

>>713464219 (OP)
feels good to know me unsubbing is actually causing positive change

>>713464887
>he thinks he has time to play other final fantasy games instead of xiv all day
chat gippity must have helped you figure out where to find that song

>>713465564
>He spent years saying XVI would bomb. It didn’t

>>713465861
It made its budget plus marketing back in less than a week.

Is this based on anything legitimate or is this MMO's trannys having an episode?

this game is so finished

>>713464219 (OP)
Nigga you had 2.5 patches to try and unfuck the mess that was DT. I am donezo, bozo.

>>713465564
I…will…not…yield.
Should I surrender this fight, what will become of it all…?
What will become of our shitposting? Our FUD threads? Our…our edits?
What of this anguish which yet burns in my breast even after the passing of months?
No, no, no! I will not let it all be for naught!

>>713465970
Episode

>>713465970
Games in a shit state cause story sucks and that's the main thing people cared about

>>713465970
>Regarding why there's no 'Normal' and 'Savage' version of the Forked Tower, Yoshida says it was due to cost. He notes that sort of thing doesn't matter to players, but that future instances of Occult Crescent will implement both difficulty versions.
This is what's causing the backlash

I'm a new* player, should I do the endgame stuff at the end of each expansion to get new gear or should I just keep doing the main story until I get to Endwalker?

*Used to play when ARR was all there was, and played a little bit of Heavensward but quit before doing the endgame

>>713465929
XVI is in the same position XV was in, where everyone who believed the hype and boughteded the game on release quickly realized how awful it was and spread the word online and forever killed its reputation. One day you'll learn that day one sales aren't everything. But yeah anyway man I'm sure they cancelled the TV show and the stage play and all the tie-ins and merchandise because it just did so well.

>>713465970
Yoshi-P obsessed tard is still obsessed.
Water is wet.

Why are you still subscribed?

>>713465970
Everyone replying to you is trying to pretend the live letter a few days ago didn't happen.

>>713465970
VA for a prominent character in the MSQ is trans

>>713464219 (OP)
What is this thread even about?

Are the menues and the engine still absolute dogshit? I remember I rage quit this game when I was in a queue for like 40 minutes and I was crafting with some macros, when the queue popped I looked at my screen with like 15 seconds left, but I couldn't stop the craft and change my job in time so it ran out.

>>713466341
Dawntrail bad

>>713466210
the MSQ will occasionally give you some gear to catch up, as well as job quests up to 70 in stormblood, as well as tomestones to supplement gearing

as for content, just do the ones you think are interesting

>>713464219 (OP)
Context?

>>713466403
When did he say they didn't have money?

>>713466351
Yes you literally need plogons to automate it

>>713466274
Because I enjoy the game.

>>713465234
Not only did it get pruned, there's actually a different XIV thread up.

>>713466341
Yoship's ex boyfriend

>>713466516
I don't care about automation, I care about how fucked the menues are. I got stunlocked for like 20+ seconds because they are so fucking shit.

>>713466210
Do the endgame stuff, there's no point rushing to Endwalker and there's plenty of cool shit on the side. A lot of it also ties into the MSQ later.

>>713464219 (OP)
Is it incompetence or internal sabotage? Why don't they just relaunch a classic ARR 2.0 version of the game for free money? It would easily divide the community and bolster some extra white knights for the company. They could bring in free money offering a FFXIV 2.0 classic version. Roll it into Heavensward 1 1/2 years later then just do an anniversary server of 2.0 5 years later. It's free money man. It's literally keeping Blizzard afloat as their anniversary vanilla server has over 30k players

>>713464219 (OP)
Be honest, your lives are empty without this guy

>>713466457
On the live letter three days ago.

>>713466308
Nothing in XIV is pozzed though at least.

>>713466716
Except for the players, ohohohohohohoh

i'm quite displeased with how things are turning out

>>713466716
Yeah bro just don't do the crafting quests on dawntrail

>>713466210
The tomestone gear from the end of each will carry you through until the next every time.

>>713466864
qrd?

Why is Cocoli Coli (Balmung) so desperate for attention that he's trying to hitch his wagon to the folder spammer?

>>713466801
>>713466864
>>713466953
It'll never be as bad as Trannycraft.

>>713466801
like in every mmo

>>713466950
>>713466624
>>713466434
Thank you, I'm going to do it. Which expansion relic weapons should I skip on account of them being too grindy (ugh I know, I know)

>>713466624
>Do the endgame stuff
No point grinding say stormblood raids for level 6 materia when you can just go to the next expansion for entirely better gear, glam is the only reason to do that content.

FF16 fucking sucks. Clive is boring.

>>713466223
>XVI user score: 8.4
>XV user score: 7.4
Hmm. It appears you’re lying to me.

>>713467108
He's asking if he should do the raid quests and such.
>>713467078
ARR is the grindiest and sends you to do EVERY piece of content in the game including crafting and gathering and stuff like that. HW relics you could start because most of it is a tomestone dump and you can just drop excess poetics into that while you're progressing through the rest of the game.

Nobody posts Middies anymore

>>713464887
how do i get that glam? i'll sub today

>>713467161
>but muh review scores
>but muh day one sales
Go dig up some pagpag, seamonkey.

It just looks so uninspired. The combat is FF15 again but flashier, I still don’t know what the story hook is, and look at these character designs. It’s just boring and instantly forgettable. You either need a story hook, good character designs, or a gameplay hook. It has none of these 3.

Keep Yoshida off your next project. You need someone more ambitious.

If a tall if mean to you just think of Krile lala brothers and sisters,

>>713467281
Ah, so since I can stomach ARR then I'll have a better time with the others. Thank you.

>>713464219 (OP)
>destroys Final Fantasy because he hates turn based games
Sad! Hes also a dumbass that thought Mists of Pandaria was good

>>713467381
>get told sales matter
>move the goalposts
>get told user reception is warm
>move the goalposts

>>713466958
Obvious troon character tries to discover """her"""self or whatever. It took me like 3 quests to find out it's supposed to be a woman.

>>713466210
The only end game shit is savage and ultimates
All the normal raids are made for casuals which is what I assume you are referring to and can do as you’re going through the game normally

Wasn't expecting them to break the emergency glass for hats. Thought it would just kept it in their back pocket when it came time to promote another expansion since they can't hype up another race.

>>713467527
It's a bad video game that nobody gives a shit about anymore aside from a singular schizo who insists on making threads about it here every single fucking day. Nobody bought it past day one for a reason.

>>713464219 (OP)
bcause barry won

>>713467676
Forgot to say the arr bahamut raids are an exception even if you try to queue for them you’ll be waiting a while since they’re not in the normal pool for roulettes

eh...so when are we going talk about the fact that ff14 only has like 950k active characters currently? its the lowest in like 7 years

>>713467672
lmao

Krile/ The Lalafellin people deserve better.
Have they fixed the story yet? Foray and the rest are nice but if they aren't fixing the story then I've got no interest in the game, in resubbing.

>>713467686
>emergency glass for hats
nigga he said they were working on something right before dawntrail and you fags all scoffed because "ha ha just another thing that's not going to happen"
then it happens and you fags go "oh i see break glass in case of emergency huh"

>>713467676
Endgame means stuff you do at the end of the game, not high difficulty.

>>713467907
That's pretty good. Now I can get online without waiting 10 million years to get into stuff.

>>713467914
Are you going to mentioned that XVI dropped over a year on PS5 before it ever dropped on any other platform whereas Veilguard dropped on every platform simultaneously day 1?

>>713468014
Are you going to mentioned that the 3 million "sales" announcement was actually for copies shipped not sold

>>713467916
>Have they fixed the story yet?
Too early to say.
7.2 is great, but that's one (1) patch.

>>713468014
lol damn that's craaaaazy, when did Stellar Blade release on PS5?

>>713467914
People are actually playing Veilguard? Lol. Modding skyrim for the billionth time finally got boring or something?

>>713468151
>but muh other game numbers
and?

>>713468000
How do you do stuff at the end of the game when that anon used the term to refer to what’s possible at the end of each expansion

>>713467847
>FFXV was bad
>Forespoken was so bad it killed the studio
He won nothing

>"Only lalafells may enter this expansion"

Make it happen Yoshi.

>>713468260
Because that content is the endgame of each expansion.

>>713464447
>>713465564
The truth is this:
>XIV ARR got super popular and mainstream which caused 1.0 “fans” to seethe
>XIV became more popular than WoW which caused Blizzdrones to seethe
>XVI garnered high praise which caused XV “fans” to seethe
>all 3 held grudges for years and make shit up like >>713466223

>>713465564
in what kind of alternate reality do you live in?

game doed bros...

>>713468247
That other game's numbers completely btfo your cope about how XVI sold like shit because it released on PS5 a year earlier.

>>713468405
No it didn't.
XVI sold fine.

>Static mates haven’t logged in these past 3 years
>Still subbed for my rare house plot
>Don’t even half DT
Is it time to stop?

>>713468347
>1.4m sales for 14
Seems legit. Remember, always believe random numbers on the internet.

>>713465483
/v/ is a skinwalked corpse
the april 1st event was a test how could they methodically kill it once and for all as a gaming community, and after the site came back following the hack they went all in on the heavy botting, bait threads, and deleting any and all genuine threads to push out the actual users

>>713468272
>nobody wants to talk about ffxv
>not even when strongarmed into it by a retard who keeps talking about how "xv wonned" and "xv is da bestest ff" in threads dedicated to other ffs or threads dedicated to shitting on other ffs
big winnies for our big boy

>>713468460
It literally flopped

>>713468460
>No it didn't.
It absolutely did.
>XVI sold fine.
It didn't, your imagination is not real.

Krile, Plainsfolk Lalafell.

>>713468343
fuck you, 1.0 is the good version of ff14.

>>713468482
Luckybancho backs that up as the peak of the population, yeah.

>>713468347
>outdated numbers
>comparing a 2 year old game to games with multiple releases and several decades old

>>713468661
It’s objectively worse than 2.0

>>713468325
So I should’ve recommended him to do everything at the end of each expansion including trying to use duty finder for both the normal and savage versions of a raid since they’re both endgame, and not say that normal modes are a different category despite being endgame in your eyes easy and can be done as you play through the story

>>713468695
How much have those sales (actually copies "shipped" lol) moved since that initial announcement?
Any new announcements?
How'd the steam release do?
The Xbox release?

>>713468762
>It’s objectively worse than 2.0

they literally have vertical gear progression in 1.0, and you could customize your characters loadout to match the encounter.

ff14 doesn't have that anymore. and the only way to return to the 1.0 days is to pay the psycho tax trying to go to the WoD's MSQ.

Why the fuck are there multiple tripfags here?

>>713464887
o kurwa..... na to jest prawdziwa muzyka.....

>>713468482
yeah no shit it states that the sales are from the base game as of 2013.

>713468695
>comparing a 2 year old game to games with multiple releases and several decades old
see pic
>outdated numbers
feel free to post any updates

Imagine making an expansion that has somehow even worse writing than Stormblood and none of the fun side activities that it had.

I cried when I saw the standard of Ul'dah.

https://youtu.be/Jt1h1MinlLI?si=Eyf0R2DCGqSDtSnh&t=128

>>713469427
This is the worst trailer, at least DT has the Gulool Ja Ja fight.

>>713469427
That's the thing, the MSQ in Stormblood was retarded, but it was fun and filled with excitement. Going to not-Japan is a lazy move in terms of creativity, but it had a better sense of wonder and adventure than anything in Dawntrail. Even the Scions themselves barely acknowledge the giant cyber city right in front of them, so why should I care?

>>713468695
ps2 only 20 years ago

>>713469427
ffxiv made me cry quite a few times but none so much as when i first heard this song in game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guDguPQvRCQ
the lyrics literally broke me and i kept wiping : (

Turns out when you overexplain every miniscule detail of your world, you eradicate all magic and wonder in it. Whoops!

Okay but why don't they have money to fix the game? I thought the new young hip CEO was gonna save the company.

>>713468654
Hey do you have like, anything substantial to say? Is this the extent of what you post here?

>>713468983
You mean horizontal progression my little larper?

>>713469707
i know. when we went to the afterlife and found out that all the worlds religions were wrong and death became meaningless.

and for some reason no one remembers it

>>713467508
that's the least retarded thing he has ever said.

>>713469747
Because the execs decided that XIV already hit its peak growth and that investing more money into it will not earn them more money in the long run. Then the massively declining subs from DT started happening, and the execs decided that if the population is dropping then so should the budget. Which of course will lead to the population dropping further, and thus the budget dropping further. Obviously it's not impossible that the dinosaurs wake the fuck up and realize this game is the only thing keeping them alive and they should be trying to breathe life back into it, but this is Square Enix we're talking about here. SE is basically only still alive on accident. They do everything wrong at all times and just keep somehow falling ass backwards into enough success to keep going a little longer.

>>713469747
But anon, how else can they fund crypto shit and garbage flops. Using resources to make their money printer better is just bonkers.

xiv will die any day now

>>713469707
This is it. They will probably never recover from this mistake unless they shift focus onto interpersonal drama or something.

>>713469578
My lalaboy has the first quest of shadowbringers ready to do but I wish stormblood stayed more military themed in Gyr Abania, I had 3 Ul'dah soldier glams all made up for it, the alliance parts were the best.

>>713470157
I know contrarians will tell you otherwise, but ShB has by far the best MSQ. Heavensward is a very close second but lacking in presentation and has some huge pacing issues during some of the patches.

>>713470157
Ala Mhigo got shafted hard with how central it was to the whole story prior to SB.

>>713469689
are you a faggot?

>>713464447
Barry was also relatively quiet for a while, but eh started shitposting again after FFXVI was released on Xbox. kek

He is truly a disturbed individual.

my femala cant catch the titanic sawfish for Sisipu femala in the quest.

>>713470572
Keep trying, that's the easy part of that quest. Use Surface Slap and Ambitious Lure.

Krile Baldesion, Kucuru, female lalafell plainsfolk.

>>713467672
Holy kek

how fun are deep dungeons in a grp?

>>713468014
>Are you going to mentioned that XVI dropped over a year on PS5 before it ever dropped on any other platform
ah about that...

>>713467672
What's the character's name?

>>713470354
i wish i had such dog shit standards. I could enjoy a lot more games.

>>713470742
KRILES HIPS

>>713470857
Which MSQ do you think is better?

>>713470435
?

>>713470809
>uhmm about that
>ackchually umm

>>713470107
WoW died for years and somehow managed to get revived, so I imagine this will be a similar scenario.

I can't believe they haven't made another MMO yet though. It seems like such an obvious move to make goven that they already did it once. The setting is played out, the gameplay has explored every available avenue, make a new one.

Still kind of crazy they launched forked tower without the ability to queue as a party. Other than that absolute blunder OC has been pretty good. Shame we have to wait until August for a fix though.
Krile. Always Krile.

>>713471240
>the gameplay has explored every available avenue,
lol. Lmao, even

>>713464219 (OP)
How the fuck are you tolerated to make the same thread every day for like a year now? I've no clue what it's about, but I've probably seen that picture hundreds of times by now.

>>713471062
>corny ass song about love and chicks
>i le cried

>>713471180
Uh-oh are you having a bit of a melty because you were made to look a tit?
You were the one who said FFXVI sold poorly because it released on PC long after it was sold on console and yet it didn't damage the sales of Stellar Blade, if anything it seems to have helped.
I'll say it in plain English instead of implying it, Final Fantasy is a tired brand that has lost it's relevance, it's no longer popular and people are not interested in the series anymore.

>>713471608
>Final Fantasy is a tired brand that has lost it's relevance, it's no longer popular and people are not interested in the series anymore.
FFXV sales disagree, people are just tired of being fooled by FF games that don't play like the series they remember.

>>713471520
jannies love it

>>713471436
Wait, can you actually not go in as a party? I thought so long as you go into the entrance circle as a party you'd stay as a party.

>>713470742
kucuru femala.

>>713471769
trvth

>>713470809
3 million copies of FFXVI were sold in a few days. It took Stellar Blade over a year for Stellar Blade to reach that figure.

Anyway, I'm not hating on Stellar Blade, because I like the game. I'm just pointing that out to you, even though it is useless, because you are a completely deranged schizo.

>>713471520
as opposed to the rest of the board?

>>713471436
they wanted to repeat BA and push people to organically enter it together rather than discordcliquing it.

>>713471535
are you 12 years old

>>713471709
>FF15 sales disagree
Anon, FF15 released 9 years ago. The brand is dead if you're having to surface up sales figures from 9 years ago while there has been three other FF branded games released since then that you didn't mention, more if you include the spin-offs.
Fuck me, talk about a cope.

>>713471876
pot, meet kettle

>>713471823
Okay but how many times more did 16 take to make?

In all honesty krile would probably tease my lalaboy and make him cry, but I'm not a uppity n..nonce like Alphie so she would like me more.

4 niggas in a row. That's it.
How did Square fucked that up?

>>713471823
It took Expedition 33 just over a month to have reach 3.3million sales figures.
It took FF16 1.5years to reach 3.5million sales figures.
People don't care about FF anymore.

>>713470801
With strangers or with friends? With strangers it's one of the most unfun things you can do, with friends it's like Mario Party where you will have a good time and laugh a lot but then end up hating your best friend because he fucked things up for you during the home stretch.

>>713471823
shipped. And never updated again lmao

>>713466210
>should I do the endgame stuff at the end of each expansion
Definitely play through the post-campaign dungeons, trials and raid instances, at least the standard difficulty modes. Not for gear but for the content. The content itself is breddy gud, story wise some of them are lore relevant to later expansions and they usually aren't too difficult, with the exception of ARR's Binding Coil of Bahamut series whose later levels actually gets ballbustingly hard with randos. The post-game stuff in later expansions (HW and after) is geared for regular players so you can easily play through them, and usually have separate optional no-fun allowed difficulty modes.

Gear wise it's all meaningless since doing main quest and daily roulettes gets you enough for tomestone stuff. But in general you ought to do all the actual content you can as it comes along since mid game is the main draw of XIV. There's zero reason to hurry to max level.

>>713471823
He probably doesn't even care about Stellar Blade. It's a sledgehammer.

>>713468825
I miss giving a shit about the game's setting and watching videos like this. DT killed that for me forever

>>713471949
>crying is for 12 year olds
this is how retarded you sound

>>713472047
>People don't care about FF anymore.
Sure they do.

>>713472653
crying because of a corny upbeat song is for fags and women, yes. I guess that's a given for the ffxiv playerbase.

>>713468479
I realized I was in a similar boat this month, only subbed because of a housing plot but then I remembered most of my friends quit around 7.0-7.1 and no one visits anymore. I cancelled my sub and doubt I'm coming back for 8.0 with how risk adverse Yoshi P is at making necessary gameplay changes.

>818482 Gorillion youtube views
Come on now.

WA LAO BANG DA.WUSHOXIE CHANG ZANGXU

>>713472492
For me Dawntrail was completely immersion breaking and even if you remove the awful Wuk Lamat character it was how all the Scions acted that went against who they were, Alisaie and Alphinaud having a brain transplant to become different people you could almost say they were being tempered.

>How Immersion Can Be Broken
Inconsistent Character Behavior: When a character acts in a way that contradicts their established personality, motivations, or values without sufficient buildup or explanation, it can feel jarring.

>Unjustified Plot Events: Events that feel contrived, overly convenient (deus ex machina), or disconnected from the story’s logic can pull readers out of the narrative.

>Lack of Foreshadowing: Sudden changes in character or plot without prior hints can make the story feel arbitrary, breaking the sense of a cohesive world.

>Breaking Established Rules: If the story violates its own internal rules (e.g., magic systems, world logic) without explanation, it can undermine trust in the narrative.

>Overly Dramatic Shifts: Exaggerated or melodramatic changes that don’t align with the story’s tone can feel forced and disrupt emotional investment.

To me Dawntrail ticks all of these boxes in how it broke established characters.

>>713473049
Truuuuuuuuuu

>>713473212
WOAH MAMA
MARE!?!?!?!

It's that femala Krile!
Miss Krile, Someone us lalafell look up to.

>>713468347
It will never cease to warm my heart seeing the 13 trilogy fall off. LR remains the lowest selling game in the entire franchise by far, and it gives me some small hope in humanity.

>>713473431
Lightning Returns is actually good though.

>>713473212
I hate this so much its unreal
Thank god you have to opt in to seeing that shit

can't believe Cosmic Exploration was the star of Dawntrail

>>713473619
Part of me wishes Cosmic Exploration was the foray instead.

>>713468347
Those numbers aren't remotely accurate at all, FF9 has sold 8.9million copies as per the 25th anniversary.

>>713468797
>>713469278
Last I saw was 4.5 million

>>713473493
If you're the kind of braindead retard who played 13 and 13-2 and then thought "Yeah, I want more of this" then your opinion is instantly invalid, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy that nobody with actual taste has actually played LR.

>>713473431
LR is actually a good game anon. A bad final fantasy but a fantastic game. And I am saying that as someone who was disgusted by FF13. Even FF13-2 was serviceable.

>>713473826
XIII-2 and Lightning Returns are actually good. It sounds like you just don't like the cutscenes, but I'm talking about video games here.

>>713473747
nobody cares what you saw, post a source.

>>713471854
Did they forget they have one of the most asocial playerbases? Nobody talks to randos anymore.

>>713473693
Lots of sales numbers you see randomly in threads like this are "dude, trust me". Like they have FFXIV as 1.45 million sales total even though the game has been running for 15 years and that's how many players they had concurrently until the Dawntrail drop.

>>713471854
>made the entry requirements obnoxious and shitty to force PuGs
>put body checks in the raid where 1 person's mistake one shots the entire group
>also limit players to 3 lives
now that's game design right there, baby

>>713474180
I literally told you the website mention that those numbers are from 2013 you retarded nigger

>>713473997
Before DT launch they said they were going to focus on proper multiplayer content. The problem with Forked Tower isn't that you need to group up, it's that:
>the difficulty is too high and mechanics too strict to wrangle 48 randoms through it on a whim
>it's near impossible to get a premade 48-man into an instance together because the player cap is 72
Also despite their claim that they were going to focus on multiplayer stuff, Cosmic Exploration was completely solo gameplay unlike Ishgard Restoration, and they also spent their apparently sparse resources putting Trusts into Cutter's Cry.

>>713474293
So sales numbers that are 12 years out of date? Very useful for something like an MMO.

>>713473693
yeah no shit it mention those numbers for FFIX are from July 1st, 2018, that does not help FFXVI case at all.

>>713474381
we were literally talking about FFXVI sales >>713468347

>>713474574
No one cares about FFXVI, this is a XIV thread.

>>713474694
concession accepted. Next time shut the fuck up.

>>713474740
Get more accurate data next time before posting dumb shit

there's no excuse for cosmic exploration being released a month after 7.2. no, i don't care if day 1 savage poopsockers don't get to see a special FATE

>>713474840
>your data aren't accurate, the other titles actually demolished FFXVI EVEN MORE
I already accepted your concession you retarded nigger. FFXVI bombed, end of discussion.

progress feels slow as fuck on the moon stuff. still can't fly in the zone, the zipline thingies aren't fast enough

>>713474381
So XVI is listed alongside sales from 12 years ago? You’re an idiot

>>713475008
Are you Indian? The sale numbers for XIV, the thread this game is about, are 12 years out of date.

>>713474909
They can't even use the excuse about delaying something for raiders because even raiders are dying for content in Dawntrail, there's absolutely no spectrum of the playerbase that's been happy with this expansion.

>>713473693
These artworks kinda suck ngl, very generic photoshop paint shit

>>713467420
I hate the designs. Not FF feeling at all. Yoshipee just wanted edgy westerners.

>>713473826
13-2 isn't perfect by any means but It is a huge improvement over the original and is what the first game should have been in the first place desu.

>>713464676
big KEK anon

>>713475190
>just go on the internet and lie.jpg

>>713475071
why are you obsessing with the sales for XIV? all the titles listed have sales data from different dates, some more up to date, some less. FFXVI is up to date and still get demolished by everybody else.

there's an ff14 thread up too if you guys wanna continue talking about the game

>>713475420
Yeah, we're in it.

Tarutaru>Lalafell

>>713475295
-Savage raiders got one piss easy tier that was so easy that people were pugging it consistently by week 1/2 in PF followed by a tier with a dogshit fight in M6S
-the next Ultimate is in a year
-OC flopped with people hating the gameplay loop and how FT was handled
-casuals have absolutely nothing to do, even venue RPers are getting fucked from the fake congested message when the player count is low
What spectrum of the playerbase is happy?

we need more lalas

>>713475609
already starting with a lie
damn

>>713475609
>M6S
>dogshit
Get filtered dumb fucking striking dummy parse tranny.

>>713475652
What spectrum of the playerbase is happy?

>>713475681
He's just your average regurgitator of lies.
If he ever saw anyone say anything negative, even if it was basic critique of something, he'll insist that all of the fanbase hates it.
Even though it's roundly agreed upon that Arcadion so far is the best raid series.

>>713475681
it's as bad as m2 is get some taste faggot

>>713475736
trannies, as long as they have their mods.

>>713475767
>Even though it's roundly agreed upon that Arcadion so far is the best raid series.
Because it was the first Savage tier you were able to clear?

>>713475793
M2 is a good fight but M6 is a great fight.
>BAWWWWWW I CAN'T JUST HIT THE STRIKING DUMMY BAWWWW WHY DO I HAVE TO POT OUTSIDE OF 2 MINUTES DURING PROG WHY DO I HAVE TO DROP HALF A GCD TO MAKE SURE I CAN HIT THE PRIORITY TARGET BAWWWWWWW
Get filtered by actual fights BITCH, stay gone.

>>713475894
He doesn't play XIV you mongo.
He just says random shit.

>>713475894
I have done every fight in the game
you do zero
it's just bad
nothing will compare to alexander in kvno

>>713475071
The sales discussion began with XVI. You want to accuse me of being a Pajeet while lacking comprehension skills? Fucking moron.

>>713472492
This but EW
>here's the ancients they're just hyur but big
>here's their science hub it's just a floating forest
>the big bad was just a compulsive hippie
>the noise was just his kneejerk science experiment
>to the universe where 98% of everything is dead and solved
>if you didn't think the wol wasn't goku already he sure as shit is now making every small scale story to come afterwards stupid
>the twelve were just some randos venat knew that all want to die kill them except for one that had a last minute change of heart that's put into the break in case of plot emergency jail
>the heart of sabik was just another alien crack rock implying ultima is possibly the biggest evil out there but lol to the break in case of plot emergency jail with you too
DT is just a rat scurrying around for crumbs. Not even WotG and RoV jumped the shark that hard.

>someone says a critique about XIV
>YOU DON'T PLAY THE GAME SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET OUT
Actual comedy people are still like this in 2025

>>713476107
first time dealing with the cult?

Either you are a Lalafell or your must look after them.

>>713476042
>you do zer--ACK!
Alexander was kino, yeah. How does this mean M6S isn't kino?

>>713476190
I literally do not care about an endfetus opinion, it's that simple
Maybe it's because it's half a fight.... who knows dude...

it always tackles me how nearly every anti-xiv shitpost here just feels like a variation of the
>wow japanese fans are vocal about the new chapter and they are not happy
meme
just pure "source: my anus" assertion that feels like it was constructed via a chatgpt prompt

>>713476105
*was goku

>>713476302
>I literally do not care about an endfetus op--AAAACCCKKK!!

>>713475246
Being much better than 13 puts you barely below average in the grand scheme of things, and it's marred by the taint of the first game which drags it down a lot.

>>713476439
Facts don't care about your feelings sadly, the numbers speak for themselves with people unsubbing.

>>713476457
>>713476190
Why can't you offer real proof that you play?

>>713476667
I just did.
Why can't you prove you play the game?

>>713476457
This is not the gotcha you think it is
If anything it undermines your dogshit take even more

>>713468479
I never got the email that I was about to lose my house so I could re sub and because of that I'll never re sub again since I lost it. I hate that system

>>713476709
Insane cope, but concession accepted.

>>713476614
>shifts goalpost
good little larp piggy

>>713476732
You should be thankful that they saved you money honestly, you aren't missing anything currently by staying subbed and the housing chain isn't worth it anymore. I'm letting mine demo now that they stopped halting it this month.

>>713476598
you're just playing semantic, 13-2 is day and night more enjoyable than 13 which had potential but no game around it.

>>713476779
The only objective good fight of this entire expansion so far has been m5 because of the SOUL
eden? dogshit
bee? dogshit
3? passalbe
4? gay as soon as it hits p2 (not in between)
7? massive fucking disappointment on par with what they did with p11

ex trials are for hypercasuals and tend to never be fun to reclear and has consistently been the case since endwalker

give me more criterion i do not give a shit about these savage bosses anymore. having any sort of faith or pretending like these devs have a modicum of soul in their body ousts you as either some sort of retarded shiteater or a glue sniffer healer player that plays a fight on a timeline while they mash glare 500 times. think you should just unsubscribe and get it over with

>>713477047
>The only objective good fight of this entire expansion so far has been m5 because of the SOUL
Every Arcadion fight so far is at least good, but this whole second tier has been great. Yeah, even Brute Abominator. I know exactly why you're melting down about him too. You're probably a melee player having a stroke because you sometimes have to drop a GCD.
>having any sort of faith or pretending like these devs have a modicum of soul in their body ousts you as either some sort of retarded shiteater or a glue sniffer healer player that plays a fight on a timeline while they mash glare 500 times.
This is an especially hilarious comment considering that yesterday I was being called a fake player who bought my account so I could doompost the game. No, I don't trust in the devs at all and I think they're sunsetting the game whether intentionally or just through good old fashioned incompetence. That's completely besides the point.

>>713477384
he doesn't play

>>713477384
I don't care about downtime. I don't care about people who pivot after you show your credentials.
Here's the bit you're not really understanding about these fight designs and why it sucks even if the gcd loss doesn't matter
Every rotation fundamentally breaks if you have extended downtime, it's in the essence of the game's dna to just shit out entirely, it's dogshit, it's bad. I don't play melee, I played melee in a tier and didn't care about the downtime previously. So because shit just breaks entirely I think more than anything they should double down on the stupid shit as opposed to making people do retarded greeds and waste prog time or my life if I was pfing, these annoying faggots are even worse and I wish they'd die just as much and get out of ff
I want extended segments where you are fucking around in some space in the arena that only a melee can do, maybe he has to sit in an area of an arena for a minute and stun a mob every cycle or something, I'm just spitballing here. 6 is alright, maybe I was a bit extreme in that sentiment but it's something that has novelty because we have quite literally not seen anything like it in what feels like years upon years and once you're done with the cool part if devolves into modern raid slop as usual.

Basically, I'm asking basic shit like - where's the chaos? Where's the personal responsibility, active ones, that aren't reliant on your uptime? If you look at the modern fight design, they basically almost always ask for you to just do your ABCs, how fucking dull can it get.

This is the part where I oust myself as a wownigger too (I play both games at a decently high end). One of the bosses in the raid tier you get turned into a trash ball and play mini katamari for like thirty seconds and go back to playing the boss. Where's that shit in FF? They really can't? I'm just numb to it brother, I'm bitter and angry. I hate these gooks for not having an ounce of interest in their product to make it memorable

I hate how easy it is to miss out on the romance related bond increase lines

>pvefags arguing about which faggy choreographed dance is better
Lmao what are you, women? Play a real game mode.

>>713478257
You will never be a woman Roland

>>713478257
I haven't had fun in XIV pfp since the 7.1 changes

imagine vomiting such bullshit even artbook dumper thinks you're crazy

>>713478257
>the choreographed dance, BUT PVP
you bought your feast gear too

>>713477990
>Basically, I'm asking basic shit like - where's the chaos? Where's the personal responsibility, active ones, that aren't reliant on your uptime? If you look at the modern fight design, they basically almost always ask for you to just do your ABCs, how fucking dull can it get.
But that's why M6S is so great, because that's exactly what it gives with the add phase. It's a type of chaos the playerbase hasn't seen since Alexander. And it actually makes the tiny, tiny differences between jobs stand out in a more meaningful way. If every fight was designed to have that level of chaos and personal responsibility then the jobs would feel a lot less shitty.

>>713478257
Frontlines is the only fun pvp mode. CC is gay sweat comp shit, I want to deathball.

>>713476693
I play! But I don't do much, just MSQ and a relic here and there.

>>713479850
That mhigger is meanmugging you.

>>713479917
That's the NPC to enter OC lol. Still a mhigger thoughbeit.

I didnt finish stormblood but I know my Femezen WoL is still waiting outside taverns for Lalaboys and yelling out Alphinaux’s name when she creams.

>>713480447
My middie WoL exclusively fucks Ravabulls, fat old men, and Alphinaud.

>>713477990
>>713479665
P3S has an add phase but noone dickrided that

You guys are weird

I don't understand the people afking in limsa in the same exact spot every single day why even launch the game

>>713464219 (OP)
Fix your fucking game first.

>>713480585
Because it's barely an add phase. You pull the mobs to cardinals and burn one at a time. There's no chaos to it like M6S has, there aren't any mechanics for other players aside from tanks.

why did she do it?

for the last 5 years ive been seeing threads using pictures of this guy and doom posting about how the game is dead and square being 2 weeks away from bankruptcy, what the fuck fuels this kind of retardation?

>>713482002
sheer asshurt and a lack of parental oversight

>>713482002
2 more weeks
trust the armchair prediction

>>713482002
but it's dead for real this time

>>713464219 (OP)
what do the rings do?

>>713482489
+1% damage

>>713482489
They stimulate the prostate when he fists his playerbase in the ass

>>713482002
on social media, the broader opinion seems to be slowly shifting back to positive

>>713482562
Some people are seeing the sentiment around Dawntrail slowly trend positively and they're desperately trying to control the narrative

>>713482769
This, so much this!

>>713482769
Of course. Some are doomposters who were trying to lead XIV into a death spiral, and others are people who have been upset about x and y and were hoping that the playerbase turning on the game (for different reasons) could be weaponized to strongarm the dev team into doing what they want.
The funniest part is I think it's fucking Viera hats that might have done the trick, because while people are less doomy than they were around 7.0 and 7.1, I wouldn't say discussion around 7.2 was generally positive. More tentative.

>>713475609
This sounds like the exact same problem as in that famous Everquest pic that people have been posting for years.

>>713464219 (OP)
>releases games with timed exclusivity during peak sales time on a console that was notoriously hard to find, and did nothing but foster terrible faith within its communities
>WTF WHY ARE ALL OF OUR GAMES FLOPPING??
Jeez, could not tell you.
Jokes aside, didn't they say they're going to stop releasing FF on PS with weird timed exclusivity anymore?

>>713464219 (OP)
I guess the ERPers aren't pulling their weight as XIVs main clientele, surprising no one.

How the fuck is Aether still congested everywhere looks like a ghost town.

>>713482002
Pure mental illness

How many times is this faggot OP gonna make this thread?

>>713483052
Most ERPers have quit as well, I see few of the regulars these days.

>>713483417
Well, there are a lot of people with a financial stake in the game, either in it doing well or in it doing poorly, so I would bet that threads about it will continue until they no longer have a financial incentive to continue.

>>713483417
Where have you been for these threads?

>>713481054
Everyone gets tethered and you have to bait dashes but yes tanks had to actually do mechanics that raid or be little bitches and do DD strats

>>713483417
he's been making them for years
and he'll make them for several years longer

>>713483283
Im certain the Aether congestion is just a switch thats programmed to flip after a certain time each day since the raid tier came out

>>713468479
One of my online buddies is keeping our FC house going in case we come back. I WAS the FC lead but Dawntrail didn't sell me so I quit 2 months after. It was one of the worst large Goblet houses.

>>713484687
Are you me? Cause I was thinking that after I got up and thought about it when getting some dinner lol

>>713478257
Why would you play an MMO for PVP are you retarded?

>>713485629
hi me hope you're doing well

>>713475236
Yeah I'm not impressed by them either, they're for MTG crossover.
Anyway here have some lo-fi Vivi playing FF9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAD62Ttp_w0&list=RDxAD62Ttp_w0&start_radio=1

>>713483698
based

>>713465393
>nonexistent tranny customer base
I'm pretty sure that trannies pretending to be women are the majority of the player base

>>713488036
Honestly, they're just so loud and annoying and on 24/7 cause majority of them are jobless and still super young. Covid did insane damage to the online youth population.

>>713483698
>pawg
>gyatt
>bruh
I fucking hate niggerisms and retards that utilize them.

>>713464219 (OP)
>be zzz
>isn't even the breadwinner of hoyo
>still gets tons of money reinvested back into it and the game is even better than ever
>gets more content per update
>gets more frequent updates
>devs always try and do new things
>devs listen to feedback and actively conduct surveys from players from all regions
>meanwhile CBU3 barely listens to their core audience of jp players
gacha slop might not be video games but they're sure as hell is a better asset than ff14 is

>>713464887
I will NEVER EVER forgive them for releasing Corsair

>>713465970
live letter a few days ago had him say they couldn't include content that was commonplace in past expansions (multiple difficulties for an activity) because of costs

In the end, Barry won.

>>713488161
pawgs are based

>>713488606
nobody wants to talk about either of the shit games he fanboys about tho

>>713488168
>game is literally in EOS maintenance for half of its existence
Great fucking content

>>713488606
He singlehandedly killed Final Fantasy with nothing but raw spite. What a fucking beast.

>>713482002
you could objectively look at the charts and see for yourself that the game is not doing good right now

>>713488720
What chart, fucking steam? The platform no one uses for ff14?

>>713488789
Luckybancho, newfag.

>>713464219 (OP)
>square uses the money that ffxiv sololy makes to make more live service games

>>713488720
I'm sure your 5000000 threads about your hate-idol had an effect on that.

>>713476105
I will never get over how Hermes was handled. They left the jagged parts of his hair where elf ears were supposed to be.

>>713479665
Yeah, I said 6 was cool, at least for the first couple weeks before gear raped it. And there were still some very obvious outliers like Viper, Black Mage killing their manta in 3 globals, yadda yadda but you're a faggot if you care enough to composition minmax for that in the first place (skill difference)

I think other tab target mmos still do class nuance well in the fight design. It's cool in POTD when you can sleep shit to ignore it entirely, knockback invuln working on mob autos to apply the debuff, let's work with this stuff. Stop adding tacked on 1k potency light shows with awful/missing sound work and add some niche shit and bake it into the future battle design for the sake of nuance. I like to think it might create the interest and intriguing gameplay that bored players so endlessly desire. And it sure as shit isn't arguing semantics over hitting a button on a 2 minute, a 1 minute, a 45 second, 30 second, and vice versa timer on a 300 potency filler. That's for damn sure.

Man, there are so many mindsets that I read in other places that I wish would die in a house fire where it belongs. I blame scrape-for-clicks influencers.

>>713467372
It's a bit of a grind. It's armor you get with silvers in cult crescent. You can dye it, you don't have to remain captain crunch.

Will Square EVER give a fuck about 14 again? Because the past 2 years have not looked good at all.
For the game keeping it afloat, you'd think they'd reinvest into it a little bit. I genuinely just do not understand what the people at the top are thinking at all.

>>713483283
aethers population is just paid bots

>>713489261
If you are not getting out of it what you want, just quit and move on.

>>713476105
This so true, this shit has turned me absolutely numb to this game, I really cannot care about this games story anymore.
Endwalker turned everything into such an explained and solved universe. And for what? I don't get it.

>>713475637
true!

>>713475242
>Not FF feeling.
Anyone who says this has never played an FF before 7.
Its just a retarded statement.

>>713485809
The new PvP in XIV was genuinely fun until a week later scripters ruined it for everyone.
What really soured my mood isn't that the cheaters arrived. It's that they were never dealt with in any capacity by the fucking worthless moderation team that, instead of banning accounts for cheating, instead chose to suspend them for spamming 'Good Job!'.
This kind of shit is so disgusting I shouldn't have to explain it to you, but there's sure to be some faggot who takes offense to me pointing out the clear disparity between honest players and cheating scum that makes up a pretty sizable portion of the community.
Right now a ton of the sub money is probably botters and RMT fags who want to get as much out of their 'service' out of the game before it fucking dies.
I blame Square Enix. There will always be subhuman fags who do this shit. The difference is if they're allowed to go rampant or not by a neglectful team of developers and a shit company run by old senile boomers.

>>713489461
This is what FF looked like before 7, dumbfuck.

>>713489312
I played the game since 1.0.
I have mostly quit. I pop back in at the start of a patch to see how things are and I'm gone again.
I want it to be as good for me as it once was, but thats not happening right now, and increasingly it seems like Square genuinely does not care about that game at all.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not wasting my time on it when every time I try it, I'm not enjoying it. Just wish they'd make something I enjoy again instead of coasting on the high of ShB/EW boom. Because I'm convinced they are still high off that massive influx a few years back.

>>713489261
No, even the ff14 devs don't want to work on FF14 anymore, that's why FFT remaster exists.
These guys along with a bunch of others are FF14 old heads that worked on the game for years, yes some have been at the company before FF14 but they stopped working on FF14 a while ago, Maehiro went over to work on FF16 and instead of coming back to FF14 and replace that retard Hihiro who wrote Dawntrail he instead went to work on the remaster of Tactics along with a bunch of other devs that were on ff14 were moved onto FF16 and weren't brought back to FF14.
They don't want to work on FF14 anymore so this is all to say I have no hope for the game because the new team who took over are incompetent, they're inexperienced and they've shown they don't know how to make an MMO and deliver a live service.
https://www.gamerbraves.com/asia-exclusive-bringing-back-a-classic-inside-the-making-of-final-fantasy-tactics-the-ivalice-chronicles/

>>713489614
I've played every mainline FF game + tactics.
I'm well aware of what 6 looks like, retard.

>>713489706
I like how they couldn't be assed to compose an alternate ost for all that effort

>>713489710
Then why did you imply that XVI looks anything like NES or SNES era FF, you fucking mongrel?

>>713489710
Also, that's FF5, not FF6. LMAO, eat shit you fake ass fucking secondary.
>inb4 muh typo

>>713489750
>posting Amano artwork thinking it disproves anything.
Okay anon.

>>713489706
dawntrail is better than shb tho putting aside the story

>>713489827
>posting a Nintendo DS render and thinking it predates FFVII
AAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
Keep exposing yourself, secondary.

>>713489803
I've played every mainline FF game + tactics.
I'm well aware of what 5 looks like, retard.

>>713489261
It feels like to me they're doing the same thing what happened post-Stormblood, where that team moved to FF16 development. Could be they reallocate the core teams to do other projects and have to build up again. IDK, just a gut feeling.
>>713489710
On a side note, the full motion cutscenes for FF16 are ridiculously good. I loved FF7R, but the latter has that pseudo-anime feel to it.

>>713489832
People aren't gonna like that take. Can't get past the story. But the fights were great imo

>>713489897
>I'm well aware of what 5 looks like, retard.
Huh, that's weird. So why did you think it was FF6 then?
Maybe you're a lying faggot secondary?

>>713489672
Why did cecil wear spandex? Was the king just gay?

>>713489925
Buuuut, when FF16 isn't doing the full mocap cutscenes, it's pretty bad. FF7R has a much better consistency to it, especially Rebirth which got rid of the uncanny lip flaps in English.

>>713489832
>>713489934
The content we actually get, maybe. I could actually agree with it, honestly.
Such as the raid/ultimate/trials. The soundtrack too is still quite good.
But the content cycle is so sparse and gets lighter every year.
I'll ignore discussing the story of DT, because thats a given. But one cant understand how much liking the story and influence players to want to stick around and do other content as well.
>>713489884
>>713489946
I've played more FF than you.

>>713489934
They can hate what they want, but in the end, ShB was pretty barren, Eden's Verse went on forever, and Bozja took until 5.35.

>>713490140
>I've played more FF than you.
No, you actually haven't. And you still haven't explained how you thought NES or SNES era FF even remotely resemble XVI, or how you mistook FFV art for FFVI while you bragged in the same breath how easily you recognize it.

Bring back Foe Requiem.

>>713489925
>It feels like to me they're doing the same thing what happened post-Stormblood, where that team moved to FF16 development
That excuse doesn't really cut it for me anymore, most of them don't honestly.
I'm fine with them making other games, but its not acceptable when they let their cash-cow, one you have to pay monthly for at that, flounder in content drought after content drought.
>>713490204
Yes I have.

>>713489832
I disagree I preferred the raid story in Shadowbringers and the fights, I preferred Bojza I thought it was a real spectacle and tied up a lot of loose ends and had a cool concept, it was really fun.
Alliance raid sucked dick from a lore perspective the fights were fun but I didn't like the theme of Nier in FF14, but the setting of all of this on the First and people running around the Crystarium and Eulmore plus I thought the armour and gear rewards were so cool, the paladin armour basically being a cross between Berserk and Dark souls armour I loved it.

I've been entirely unimpressed by Dawntrail from it's themes, to the story, to the raids, I'm not an FF11 fan so the Alliance raids to me again are falling pretty flat, the lack of story to ground OC is also pretty shitty and lazy I know people don't care about story or narrative for the Foray but I do it's the reason to fight not the fight itself.
I just felt far more investment into the game in Shadowbringers, it felt like a FF game Dawntrail I'm not feeling it.

FF14 private servers any day now

>>713490140
>But the content cycle is so sparse and gets lighter every year.
I can agree with that. I really hope they get their shit together.
>>713490171
Yea, I'd guess that many who think ShB was the best expansion likely started after all the content was out.

>>713490140
>cant understand
Can't underestimate how much liking the story can influence players*

>>713490301
>private servers
mark my words. the 1.0 private server will be a game changer.

.

>>713464219 (OP)
well get a job then

>>713489461
You raging retard I love Amano's art. The 16 designs are soulless

>>713490394
Not if its 1.0 it won't, it'd need to be as close to 1.23b as possible

>>713490441
can I get his? they're hiring

>>713490614
Do you speak Nihongo?

>>713490343
Personally ShB was my favorite, and I've played since 1.0.
But I cut them slack on content stuff because the majority of that expac too place during covid shit.
Didn't realize it was just a prediction of how they were going to treat all content going forward.
>>713490283
>Alliance raid
As much as I like FF11 references, they absolutely have to quit just drawing everything from old FF games. Its just alienating and boring for anyone not familiar with those games already. Hell sometimes even those that are familiar. All of post EW was so easily predictable for anyone who played FF4.
>>713490450
>I love Amano's art
Thats nice, never said you didn't love his work. I do too. Its why I own picrel.
>16's designs are soulless
Imagine thinking Kazuya Takahashi's designs are soulless. You're a faggot.

Comparison between current PC version and mobile.
Although somethings are very obviously higher quality in the PC version the mobile version has actual hair and not drawn on lines.

>>713490236
Eh, I'm not really excusing it, just guessing what's going on.
>>713490487
Wanna know what 1.23b's endgame was? 2 dungeons, Nael Hard, Ifrit Extreme (for relic), and that's about it.
It was cool that the final job quest fights were 8-man content each tho.

>>713490907
Every "new feature" I see in the mobile version just shows me more how little Square actually gives a fuck about the main game anymore honestly.

>>713464219 (OP)
game is fucking dead

Game's been dying a painfuly slow death since end of HW/start of SB when it was passed on to juniors.
It's been bled dry, cut by cut.

I finally gave up after finishing FRU, where static spent more time talking about how good the game used to be more than anything else.
Whole static quit soon after too. We'd been playing together since 2.0

June 23rd is the 10th anniversary of Heavensward.

>square enix would sooner kill the game than to do anything to fix it
grim

>>713490727
Okay remember that ff16 underperformed and got outsold by goon slop

>>713491205
Is that supposed to mean anything to me? Aren't we talking about designs or are you just mad about FF16 in general?

>>713491282
How does it feel to be 16's strongest soldier

I just want Maplestory Classic and Blue Protocol they are all thats left. WoW classic wont last long for me. Why are these old ancient games so much better than modern shit?

>>713491320
I have many criticisms of 16. I'm speaking about the character designs anon.

>>713491370
They predate dev by committee

>>713491370
>Blue Protocol
I was excited for that but quit caring immediately when i saw censorship.

>>713491370
I'm gonna check out Mabinogi once the graphics update comes out
I still play XIV though

No corsair = no sub
Simple as

Why is Dawntrail so dogshit? Even with content I feel no motivation to play and this is the first expansion I've felt like this.

>>713491601
It would have fit better than Viper

>>713490727
NTA but Takahashi's designs are really bland. He's impressive on a technical level, though. I would only really call Barney eye-catching, but I have a massive bias for black and ultramarine.

if i haven't played since 2019 and am moving to controller should i just make a new character? It would be awkward being dropped into the middle of bumfuck nowhere in stormblood post story

>>713491693
Good story and world building encourages players to want to remain in the world and playing.

I'll be honest, I checked out with DT. Did they write out Wuk yet? Because I just saw a piece of official art with her for the upcoming patch, so I'm fearing the worst.

>>713491696
I was coping that Viper had a pistol for a ranged attack, but nope.

I wouldn't have dropped xiv if I actually enjoyed viper and the only job changes/additions weren't ALL just new big finishers. Especially red mage

>>713491805
she was shoved to the sidelines constantly in 7.2 and the overall 7.2 story was good
whether that persists in 7.3 idk

>>713491767
Its really your decision
It may be cool to see everything post graphics update and all the ARR dungeon changes. But if you don't feel like going through all that again just refresh yourself and continue where you left

>>713491767
If you've not played with controller before, it's worth starting over just to give you time to get used to it.

>>713491857
Unironically, they made it so Red Mage now has the most complicated job design. Which is saying a lot because nothing about it has changed.

>>713491742
Personally, I like it.
>Barney
Hes cool looking. Joshua is my favorite though as far as designs in 16 go.

>>713491795
I think that's definitely part of it, I haven't connected with a single one of the new characters introduced and I don't like the setting it's not interested to hang around in.
I could and did idle for hours in Old Sharlayan, listening to the music doing the yellow quests, talking to people next to the marketboard it felt chill and a relaxing place to just hang out.
The music in Tuliyollal is so loud and obnoxious in comparison and that place for a city is too big it feels even bigger than the Crystarium, I can't relax with it.

>>713491885
honestly i've probably forgotten most of ARR so it might be refreshing seeing it with a different class. My only concern is what character to make since i figured viera female would be unique compared to just playing a human dude last time but females in mmos always had shit armor

>>713492174
Dawntrail has a lot of pretty places to idle at, just not in Tulliyolall

>>713492174
I can't wait until we leave Tural

>>713491959
I remember someone posting a theory that Red Mage is so integral to general/casual prog because of it's raising capabilities, they don't mess with it, because it's core design has been the same since 4.0.

when they add romances next expansion it will be saved!
TRUST THE PLAN!

OP got banned having this thread earlier today already.

>>713492174
I really dislike the Tuliyollal music now. It was cool at first but it does not fit the setting at all.

>>713492262
let's just hope 7.4 and 7.5 don't take place in tural

>>713477990
The problem is that CS3 intentionally drove themselves into this corner where they are unironically unable to provide anything new.
Naoki Yoshida decided that, to cut costs, he'd just remove the RPG mechanics and systems out of the game. This means that, he INTENTIONALLY made this game the way it is.
Which means that they are unable to create new gameplay without engineering. Engineering that they flat out admitted they can't do.
Compare previous expansions where our Jobs didn't suck, like Stormblood. Any side content was very welcome precisely because those were things sitting on top of already fun jobs. But even if they released the best Eureka clone ever, it would get boring fast. Because the jobs are trash to play.
CS3 can't out-content a gameplay problem. It's impossible.
And I'm saying Naoki Yoshida is a subhuman retarded director that needed to get replaced a long time ago. Because he is the one calling the shots. He's the one that's part of the council that solely exists to cut costs and save money.

He not only has the courage to remove instead of add to the game but also tell you that's what you wanted and that it's better this way.

>>713492230
I don't like the sci-fi theme of Solution 9 but I can see why people might like the smaller areas around the vendor area.

>>713492262
Same, I'm hoping they take seriously the complaints of Dawntrail and not just half ass it. I hope they don't go with some aborigini theme next for Merycidia though, I don't want mudhuts and sticks.

>>713475236
the actual Itahana print for Vivi is much nicer but it's probably the most ignored artist print in the set because of how heavily mtg has fallen to waifu tax weeb bait

>>713492326
How would you know about that, little buddy?

>>713492361
>I hope they don't go with some aborigini theme next for Merycidia though
the next peace and tacos primitive civilization

>>713492276
I'd bang a birb.

>FF16 did well

Square themselves said it bombed

>>713464887
>Corsairfags renting the same shed as jdgfags

Homestuck and defending ESG, name a more iconic duo.

>>713492358
>Naoki Yoshida decided that, to cut costs, he'd just remove the RPG mechanics
i know you started playing with that big asmongold exodus but they were already lowering importance on "RPG mechanics" back in heavensward because there wasn't a lot of use for dumb bullshit like fire resistance in this game. heavily recommend getting into model trains or calculus instead of this if complexity and number crunching is what you look for in video games

>>713492443
It broke even early on because it's development costs were well handle, it's just the board of directors wanted it to sell gorillian copies.
Really, AAA was such a mistake, if only developers were aiming to do stuff like Expedition 33 earlier on. Really only Nintendo was doing that.

>>713492534
In what part of my post did I say this happened in Dawntrail anon? I guess I should have posted: "He'd just remove the RPG mechanics over every patch"?

>>713492534
>heavily recommend getting into model trains or calculus instead of this if complexity and number crunching is what you look for in video games
I'm really glad E33 came out and raped you.

>>713470431
Split focus has never gone over well. Didn't in SB, didn't in END, didn't in DT.

One fucking continent, and maybe another area as one zone. No 3/3. DT would suck regardless and maybe nothing but fucking Heya hoya tacos would be even worse but conversely we could have gotten an entire expac of solution 9 where they were willing to marginally consider writing above a 10 year old's level

>>713474342
48 is way too many to tard wrangle. Even 24 would be pushing it. For real raid experience I'd cap it at maybe 16, or 12 with 3 light parties. I mean christ even 8 man raids have trouble coordinating.

>>713491523
Yea that’s what you normally should do, like I love FFXIV and got like 600+ days playing but I always take breaks and play different games

>>713492696
E33 is a turn-based game and not a fucking MMORPG, ram rodding it into the conversation does not mean there is a point to be had. Same as everybody electing to cry about FF16 in the middle of a FF14 conversation

>>713492696
>Exp 33
The cast for that game was really dope as well.

>>713467847
Kek

>>713492752
sounds too healthy

>>713492443
Who said that

>>713492795
>E33 is a turn-based game and not a fucking MMORPG
Here's what you said:
>heavily recommend getting into model trains or calculus instead of this if complexity and number crunching is what you look for in video games
Do you notice the discrepancy in your cope here?

>>713492696
Someone can like both games
It doesn't always need to be a team sport with videogames

>>713482389
thirdworldie opinion discarded

>>713492861
Yeah, I didn't say it did. I didn't say you should like one game over the other. What I said is that I'm glad a proper JRPG came out and raped the stupid faggot who thinks RPG mechanics don't belong in video games anymore.

MATH? RPG MECHANICS? SAVE ME YOSHIP

>>713489123
when are they adding picrel?

>>713492534
Fuck model trains and calculus. Get into actual sports. My friend forced me to come join his pickup soccer game this weekend and I spent the next two days with autistic intrusive soccer thoughts about positioning and runspeeds and lines and yadda yadda. Real life is the craziest RPG of all, there are so many autistic fucking variables that do tiny inconsequential things that end up mattering in the long run.

>>713492942
Never also would it be as weak as Machinist

>>713492861
he's trolling homestuck epic-style by being a giant retard and pointing to a game that's not in the same genre

>>713489750
you are a retard if you think amano's artwork was the "official" game art
please stop. i enjoyed having an art discussion with you the other day. don't act like the other retarded doomers on this board

>>713493006
i meant the glam. already lost all hope with the actual job

>>713482898
i'm really really surprised they actually got around to the viera hats, i thought 7.0 was just the never-ever point for it
>>713492961
actual RPG video games are largely patterned after soccer and american football in how battles work or are visualized, you've cracked the code anon

>>713493057
>you are a retard if you think amano's artwork was the "official" game art
AAAAAAAAHAAHAHAAAHAHAHAHA

>>713491693
Imagine you had some game of thrones conan the barbarian game and all of a sudden they throw modern 5e tumblr D&D at you. Or if you were used to 5e tumblr D&D and then all of a sudden they spring berserk on you. These are more extreme examples than the vibe shift of DT but it's still a stark jump from:
>The end of days, child transforms into ravenous monster and smashes his father, world after world dying of despair and anguish, coming to the capital of your oppressors not gloriously but piteously seeing 90% of them fucking butchered or drawn mad, matsya holding a crying baby that's about to turn into a fucking demon or the anguish and despair of seeing a paradise that you know was and always will be doomed
to
>TACOS MI FAMILIA TACOS I LOVE TO HEAR ABOUT YOUR CULTURE DID YOU WANT TO TRY TACOS MI PAPI CAN WE BE FWENDS? Meteion asked if we can be friends and then was sanity-blasted by a galactic (at a minimum) bombardment of nihilistic agony

A world that is mostly or entirely happy and placid like the Turali is a world with no drama and a world that is so theme-park-y you can't really insert yourself in it. Even a fucking slice of life uwu high school harem anime has more drama than Tural does.

>>713489706
Any creative project has about a five year lifespan before it has to become a completely different project. People move on, the industry changes, funding changes. You have about five years. Even solo projects tend to change every five or so years, tops.

It's not really strange that people have moved on from XIV. It's weirder that the players keep playing it.

>>713493227
you are confusing "official" with "concept"

>>713493267
That's the fucking box the game came in, you unbelievably stupid faggot.

>>713493138
hair for hoods too

>>713493310
but that art is not in the actual game, you absolute inbred

>>713493267
>>713493349

>>713493237
endwalker literally saved the universe with the power of friendship

>>713493237
Turals biggest problems being solvable within minutes of arriving is so fucking dumb.

>>713493385
>>713493354
>if it's printed on the sticker, it means it's on the game
again, concept =/ official
the only actual amano art that has been used in game, are the logos

>>713493418
DTs entire story was plotted really badly. You can restructure its components into something competent with little effort.

will alisae ever be relevant again bros?

>>713492420
where the FUCK can i get an up to date meteion mod

>>713493572
i assume korosuke

>>713493571
HAHAHA TACOS HAHA FOOD I L O V E FOOD FOOD IS THE PINNACLE OF CULTURAL INTERACTION AND DIVERSITY ALL PROBLEMS GO AWAY WITH FOOD

>>713493487
>just because it's the official game art on the official game package doesn't mean it's official
Jesus Christ dude, just admit you're a retard. You're anonymous, it can't follow you.

is money the reason they cut DRK and onion knight out of the FFT remake?

>>713493487
What the hell are you talking about
Official art is the art on the product and also includes concept art and promotional art
Not what is in the game
You are making up definitions

>>713492230
>>713492361
I hated DT's story.
I think the addition of Solution 9 is stupid and poses more issues to the world building as a whole than it helps by any means and genuinely think they need to canonically separate it from the rest of the world (even if the player can still go there). That said, aesthetically, I think its cool and it has very nice music. So I do like being there.
>>713492406
Ill never forgive the ethtics department and Kate. unironically
>>713492348
I'm indifferent to the music there. Though I do think I'd lean to the side of feeling like it doesn't fit. At least the area looks quite nice though.
>>713492276
>Passing on Ryne
What a mistake.

>>713493487
>proceeds to post the bastardized localization art as an argument
retard

>>713493394
To use the buzzword shit you can have cringe become kino if it's earned. DT didn't earn fucking shit. It was the equivalent of a youtube commenter giving some epic story vignette of his imagination/worldbuilding that nobody gives a shit about, just doing patisches of what the kiddos loved expecting the same reaction. Endwalker was the +11 year conclusion of your experience with the scions.

In fact, that's just it - they tried the power of friendship at the end of ARR with the floating Scions and City-state leaders (Who throw you under the bus in 5 patches) combining forces to sailormoon Lahabrea. And that was fucking ridiculous and hollow. You do it after you earn that emotional investment and gravity and you get

https://youtu.be/lfXnXTRlfTM?feature=shared&t=1120

>>713493571
Someone on their dev team has either a mukbang fetish or an obsession with Dungeon Meshi and its_time_to_stop_filthy_frank.png.jpg.gif.webm.

>>713492276
This needs to be updated with Mablu

>>713492861
Yea but you know how nigger shitposters are now, they are do lazy they don’t even compare games of the same genre now. If we had any decent mods faggots like him would get a 30 day ban because they nothing to video game discussions

>>713493635
t.

>>713492861
>It doesn't always need to be a team sport with videogames

You're right but same as it ever was.
Same as it ever was.
This image is from 2008

>>713493237
This is pretty much what I thought, my love for the world itself the setting just didn't carry over with Dawntrail. End of days was so fucking cool, Garlemald, Thavnir with the invasion, and those creepy as fuck towers. Then as you say it was replaced in Dawntrail with SMILE PEACE AND HAPPINESS TACOS! PAPA!

I kind of wish they just finished the game with 6.0 and said it was over.

>>713493560
are you the anon that was making an alisaie ai chat bot?

>>713492696
You touched a nerve. If Yoshida had any honor he would have killed himself after E33 raped him so hard.

>>713494003
Help if I fucking posted it.

>>713493790
holy shit that one is bad as well
i think what the other guy is trying to say is using amano's art to categorize FFs is pointless
cause, every FF had amano's art, even if his involvement isn't conceptual
idk, imo it's a stupid discussion

>>713494072
Happens to everyone

>>713493038
Why didn't you reply to this post, bud? >>713492854
Is it because you realized you're a fucking retard who was talking about video games in general and not specifically MMORPGs?

>>713493865
I've lived in Japan for a while, and the problem is that for many of them they really don't understand other cultures beyond superficialities like food and clothing.

>Ooh I love India!
>You mean you like the Indian restaurants here?
>Yes?
>Have you ever been to India or talked to Indians?
>No?

And so on.

>>713494040
he's probably retiring soon either way
ff16 was really good for someone who had played older final fantasies years and some decades ago, and the action rpg flavor was a nice change
the only seething at the game are those who stupidly think that "FF means turn based" and those who have 4GB VRAM or less

>another five hour maintenance just to fix some text
How did the XIV team get this incompetent?

>>713494297
>the only seething at the game are those who stupidly think that "FF means turn based" and those who have 4GB VRAM or less
No, retard. XVI isn't even a good action game. It's not a good video game by any metric at all. And in the context of Final Fantasy it's just a pure abomination that despises its own roots. Go fuck yourself.

>>713494335
Oh right I forgot about that

>>713494335
I thought you were bullshitting, no fucking way. We just fucking had one.

>>713494297
XVI is trash. Most people pretend SoP is FFXVI.

>>713494394
>It's not a good video game by any metric at all
This tells me everything I need to know about your opinion lol

>>713493394
Sure but it was very well done in that I wouldn't say it was in your face about it. Kinda like how anon talks about learning about cultures and shit in DT but that is what we've been doing pretty much the whole time. The only difference was that in Dawntrail we had it constantly rubbed in our face through Wuk Lamat talking about it while being front and center constantly.
It's an alright base idea: take a Warrior of Light esque character and send him/her on an adventure with the actual WoL. The problem is they flubbed it hard in a number of ways all while Wuk lamat is in your face and never actually needs much real help at all. It's a real fucking shame honestly.

>>713494394
>t. brown with brown pc
you don't get to decide what's good or not, amigo

>>713494489
I preordered it on PS5. Do I need to post my feet again so you can have another weeklong meltdown?

>>713494473
Let's start with the gameplay. The big focus is on the eikon abilities, but the eikon abilities are all on MMO style cooldowns. There's nothing you can do about the cooldowns, you just use them and do your one 4-hit filler combo in the meantime. Compare to SoP or FF7R where all your cool shit uses a resource, and you're rewarded with said resource for staying on the offensive and engaging with the enemy. That isn't the case in XVI, you just dump your skills and fuck around swinging your 4-hit toothpick filling the time. That's boring. What makes it worse is that there's only one character, with one weapon. So you can't even change up your filler playstyle.
Character progression is on rails which is something FFXIII rightfully got shit on for. You get a new eikon every like 10 hours of gameplay and once you do get it there's no way to get anything else. You're storygated out of further cool shit. Character levels not only don't matter at all, but the exp gain is scaled so it stalls out when you start matching enemy levels, preventing you from grinding up. Not that it would matter, because those levels gain you nothing.
Weapon crafting is completely pointless. Each dungeon/boss gives you a material you use to upgrade to the next sword, which just raises your damage by +5 (meaningless). There's literally no point to this system existing, and yet 90% of all treasure you find are materials for this system that has nothing to craft.

>>713494462
Most people pretend SoP is FFXVI.
you mean FFXV

>>713494335
>>713494461

>>713494542
>>713494489
There are moments in the game where you literally watch a 45 minute cutscene, regain control, walk five steps forward, and get thrust into another 45 minute cutscene. The moviegame bloat is unreal, complete with slow forced walk and talk segments, squeezing past narrow corridors, and 'hold the triggers to do thing' QTEs. There are over 20 HOURS of cutscenes in this game. And that's not including the stilted canned emote sidequest cutscenes you'll spend another 20 hours watching.
Sidequests are ripped straight out of FFXIV. They exist just to fill time and for nothing else. Listen to someone spend 10 minutes telling you how and why they need an object on the other side of the map. Walk over and pick it up. Go back. Bam, more crafting materials you can't use. Thrilling.
There is no exploration. There are four giant open world areas with nothing in them but MMO sidequests, and there are hallway dungeons. The hallway dungeons are also ripped straight from FFXIV with the same two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> mini boss -> two trash packs -> final boss structure.
Eikon fights have spectacle, but that's all they have. Segments like the Phoenix fight at the start, or the Garuda fighting game segment, or the Phoenix vs Bahamut segment are all on rails and impossible to fail. They're cutscenes.
The only time the game is remotely challenging are in the chronostones (I think that's what they were called) where you have to use one specific eikon and fulfill challenges to keep your time up. The rest of the game you can sleep through. FF Mode isn't any better because you have all eikons out the gate and can just blast everything even more easily than in normal mode.

>>713494542
>console retard
opinion discarded

>>713494394
I dropped HiFi rush to play XVI and immediately regretted it and returned to HFR and never went back and finished XVI. It's just so fucking boring.

I'm just praying we never see or hear from Wuk again after the next patch.

>>713494598
>>713494489
>>713494473
Onto the story. The premise of the game is awesome. And then it gets rugpulled almost the instant the demo ends. Within five minutes of the demo ending you watch Clive regain his freedom, his girlfriend, get a new job. Even his dog inexplicably returns at that same moment. And then you play for another hour and find out that he didn't even kill Joshua (hilariously, this comes immediately after he has his big moment of accepting """the truth""" that he killed Joshua). In other words, nothing in the demo mattered. It amounts to nothing except for baiting the player. What makes it worse is that later on you find out that Joshua has a personal ninja cult who was there at Phoenix Gate the night of the attack, and they just didn't intervene. They didn't even attempt to save Joshua, they just literally did nothing until they appeared to yank his unconscious body away off screen. It's nonsense.
It's very clearly stitched together from several different drafts. You have shit like Ultima appearing in the demo wearing Joshua's face and robe. He then appears in the same guise leading Clive to Garuda. But then... Joshua isn't Ultima. Joshua is just Joshua and Ultima never appears wearing his guise again. It's never commented on, it's just obviously a draft in which Ultima used Phoenix to possess Joshua's corpse or something.
You spend the majority of the game's story dealing with Sanbreque and its political situation. Actually most of the cutscenes for the entire game's story are about it. So it must be important, right? Nope. It's just filler. Ultima is fucking around with Sanbreque trying to conquer a continent... that he already has control of. He's literally doing it for no reason. And once Olivier and Clive's mom die, nobody ever mentions the plotline again. It just vanishes, because it actually didn't matter.

So is he using AI or did he save all this? no way he's thinking and typing this in real time

>>713494659
the grammar is too poor for AI

>>713493865
>If you had the strength to take another step, could you do it?
God damn, kino. Every time. Just thinking about that guitar kicking in as Ardbert lowers his axe toward you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl4IzWkXk8E
>Champions from beyond the rift, heed my call!
14 out 10. Perfection.
Every expansion doesn't need to be Shadowbringers. I expected to go back to an ARR style set up even. But whatever they did with DT is actually so sad. How they could let that get out...
I hope things turn around for 14. But I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>713494659
i was about to reply, but yeah, it seems like stale pasta

>>713494638
I only bought a PS5 specifically to play XVI, and I haven't touched it.

>>713494659
I wrote this review about a week ago and it always makes XVI shills shut their fucking mouths and go away.

>>713494652
There's a lot more I could get into with the story but this copypasta does a good job of detailing a lot of the stupid shit. >>712105683
The music has a handful of great tracks, but the majority of the soundtrack is bland, forgettable, cinematic trash. If you download the OST you'll see it has 8 discs. But listen to it, and you'll hear the same 5 or 6 songs. Over and over and over and over. There are songs on the OST that are LITERALLY the same song, but with slightly different mixing or intros. It also overuses the fuck out of the Prelude and the FF Main Theme, presumably because Soken thinks that's a shortcut to making it sound like Final Fantasy. Soken is probably one of the most misused aspects of the game. He was celebrated for doing shit like XIV's Alexander soundtrack, exciting rock beats and electronic shit. And then they told him to copy Skyrim or something. The only songs on the OST that sound like Soken are Do or Die and Titan Lost. And according to Soken he actually sneaked those songs into test builds and relied upon the praise for them from QA to make sure the higher ups wouldn't rip them out. Fucking unreal.

>Amano isn't official
wat

>>713464219 (OP)
Where did the money go :)

I've noticed 98% of Millennials are dogshit at writing anything original, I think we're starting to see that same idea from Japan too
Dawntrail was handed to the next generation, and look what we got

>>713494743
All the great works you remember from Japan were written by people with real life experiences to draw upon. Now that same media is being written by people whose only life experience is being fans of anime and video games. Same exact thing that happened to western millennials, yeah.

>>713494743
idk why they thought hiroi would do a good job
they didn't even proof read his shit

>>713494743
Hiroi wasn't even "the next generation", he was just the next guy in line with seniority.

>>713494724
Zamn, looks just like FF16! I'm seeing double!

>what if we make 16 an action game
>also we include level ups that do nothing functionally since the game is on rails to make 85 into an rpg
>also what if we make the action babby tier because our audience can't into dmc
>also what if we interrupt the action with 30 minutes of boring dialogue every 10 steps
>also what if we just cover the screen in particle effects and numbers to appeal to zoomers
FF16 was legitimate garbage and anyone defending it only does so because they don't want to admit that Barry was right about that game.

>>713494791
so that's how barry does it

>>713494724
Sovl. I love ff6

>>713494910
he defends flopspoken and xv
he doesn't get to claim shit

>>713494935
vidya bu77s and others too

>>713494910
>what if we make an action game with one weapon
>what if we make an action game with a single 4-hit combo forever
>what if we make an action game where all the cool abilities are on cooldowns you have no way to speed up

>>713494152
Yeah people back in the healthier discourse after DT said it was a very Japanese tourism expansion, down to the stamp collecting. And the consultant they got which people verified was real DEI-energy wouldn't have helped it along.

>>713494475
It was more organic, less white woman tourist. An easy example I remember is going through the cave with the giants and seeing the murals. Alisae or someone could chime in with "Hey, doesn't that remind you of Rak'tika and the first? I wonder what these murals depict." Instead it's Wuk begging the giant to tell us about his culture. Minor and trivial in itself, but compound it with moment after moment and it builds up.

>>713494687
Yeah I can think back to all sorts of moments in the past and get goosebumps, like Matsya and the baby I mentioned. There's fucking nothing of that in DT, absolutely nothing. The closest I got was just sitting up in my seat and going "Hey this is cool" when we had the 97(?) dungeon against the Solution 9 forces. And that was after the Disney jihad nasheed for the train bomb had to be suffered.

As for hope, I am of mixed minds. I no longer think "It can't get worse" as people made a comparison of this being BFA (Or Warlords, which means the next expac might be okay), but I also am looking forward to the fanfest as it'll help me decide if I want to play on release or not even bother and wait to hear word afterwards.

>>713494743
You write from experience and most Millennial writers were given participation trophies, were wrapped in balls of cotton wool and were protected from the realities of the world far into adulthood and those are the people who through nepotism gained prominence in games media.

Can you imagine a Millenniel being able to write a fantasy world battle like Helmsdeep?
Tolkien was able to draw from his own experience of trench warfare from serving in WW1.
Now in comparison what are the hardships millennials have face? Anthony Burch who wrote Borderlands is the classic Millennial twat writer, what has he experienced other than his ex-wife stealing his Wii?

>>713494743
>hiroi
>millennial
jesse what the fuck are you talking about

>>713494910
I'll never forgive yoshitpiss for giving Barry the win.

>>713495014
>The closest I got was just sitting up in my seat and going "Hey this is cool" when we had the 97(?) dungeon against the Solution 9 forces.
For me it was when the cool final boss music kicked in as you summoned the Azem circle I know some people hate the Azem stone shit but I think it's kino most of the time. Shame what came afterwards.

>>713491693
the plot was boring and introduced shit that ranged from questionable to downright poisonous for the lore
one personal autistic sticking point i've had is the whole beast soul thing
>pre DT make a big fucking deal about making beast tribes "allied tribes" in an effort to be more inclusive
>this is something they spent multiple live letters talking about
>proceed to make solution 9, where they use "beast souls" which are an explicitly different (in some ways inferior) thing from non-beast souls
>"beast souls" range from actual beastkin to voidsent, which based on 6.x, are originally humanoid but morphed into monsters
>this begs the question on what the fuck differentiates a beast from a nonbeast soul
>so far no one has commented on it in the game afaik
i'm not even mad about them being antiwoke or whatever the fuck, i'm just annoyed they introduced a really fucking weird distinction that i don't think they actually care to chew on

>>713494641
so 7.4 and beyond?
if they have any sense, she'll get dumped in the palace at the end of 7.3 never to be seen again

>>713495149
>this begs the question on what the fuck differentiates a beast from a nonbeast soul
Brute Abominator even has a cyclops mixed in with his beast souls and cyclopes are canonically considered Spoken just like any beastman.

>>713495149
Of course they don't actually care, they're just beasts, after all.

>give Shtola an actual role in the MSQ
>game good
>write her out
>game bad
I would have through they had learned their lesson by now.

>>713495014
I don't think "it can get worse" personally. But where its already at, I have little desire to play. I am hopeful that the .4 and .5 patches provide some interest for 8.0. My fingers are crossed that DT was a one time fuck up where they just listened to the Americans on their team a little too much and got a little too comfortable in their "formula" I really don't expect them to branch out of that formula though sadly
Honestly though, I loved from ride up through the end of EW though, so even if they never redeem themselves for me, I'll still have gotten some amazing moments I guess.
>>713495137
I like Azem stuff, but honestly it feels like they are relying on it too much now. It needs to get left behind with ShB/EW. Maybe pull it out like 2 expansions from now for a big moment and call back.

>>713495168
My wish but they might keep referencing her in the side content. I love hearing her be praised in Jeuno.

>>713495348
God damn I love that artist.

WHAT ABOUT MY COZY LITTLE ISLAND SANCTUARY

>>713495494
DEAD

>>713495494
It's gone...

>>713495361
oh yeah i forgot about that
she briefly got mentiond in oc as well
only at the start for a reason that cattle ram got to go there
but it was still her being present which i did not appreciate

>this game is dead!
>daily threads always reach bump limit


hmmmmmmmm

>>713494987
Both dogshit games.
Both better than FF16.

>>713495573
>Both better than FF16.
lmao, sit your ass down, retard

>>713494743
There was a really great post on /a/ I remember that encapsulated that issue >>713494797 touches on. I would add it's not necessary to have rich life experiences so much as to have a varied consumption of media (Book, film, game, manga, ect), and above all in genre or fictional-life-experience. If you do not have this you get something like Ready-Player-One or Yiik or some other shit that's just self-referential. Star wars suffered the same shit in the sequel trilogy: The OG star wars was buck rogers raygun shit + WW2 dogfighting + Samurai films + Wild Westerns + more. If Star Wars had just been buck rogers 2.0 it'd probably have fizzled out. The Trilogy was Star wars referencing Star Wars. You can get a glimpse of Ishikawa's willingness to do more than just regurgitate anime and manga by the fact that Amaurot/Ancients were deeply inspired by a fucking 16th century British satirical novel. It's not "ooo so high brow such literacy", it's that something from this wildly different culture and background brings interesting ideas you can alchemize into something new.

Or you can just copy Luffy and Naruto and past story beats in XIV.

>>713495494
The idea was neat, but the execution very poor. The way they turned what should be housing/RP content into an excel exercise that aims to optimise the shit out of your island, tells me the savage raid designers tried their hand at non combat content and failed.

>>713495572
i think we all know it's bullshit

>>713495629
I accept your concession.

island sanctuary would've been a good instanced housing introduction

>>713495572
The game isn't dead, it is just so puzzling how they manage to seemingly mismanage their cashcow.

>>713494659
inevitably this board's biggest chimps will find a way to turn a FFXIV thread into a yoshida and FFXVI seethe thread

barry legitimately got confused on the roman numerals of XIV vs XVI sometimes as i recall

>>713495218
which like, maybe they're setting up m9-m12 to have people steal other people's souls to power themselves up or whatever
that COULD be a cool thing if they don't do zenos, i swear to fucking god if they make some literal who use zenos's soul somehow i'm gonna have an autistic meltdown the likes of which have not been recorded in history, but i don't see them doing that
even if they do that, though, the concept creates this power structure for aether/soul shit that didn't need to be there in the first place that will probably never be further questioned or discussed in future expansions
it does the opposite of what the 6.x alliance raid did of overexplaining shit and making the fantastical boring, which is almost commendable in how you fuck up in opposite ways

>>713495712
there's no concession
flopspoken is woke trash and xv became slightly less trash after the multiple patches and dlcs
xvi shits on both games simultanously

>>713495835
>550 posts later
>OMG WRONG BOARD HAHA

>>713494743
the problem is everyone except the raid designers on the Dawntrail team is new to their fucking job
like even the fucking cutscene direction is so fucking bad, some of the cutscenes were intern-tier

>>713495349
I tried doing 7.1 and sending me to get fucking tacos as the first bit just made me go I'm out nigga I'm out. I hear 7.2 is pretty solid and speeen is cute, but the damage is done and I've just written it off. I'll either sprint through before 8.0 or suffer an MSQ skip even if I'd give them money because it'd probably come out even to subscription cost + time to clear the patches.

I expect the formula to be ironclad, they won't change it. But I am at peace with this being a glorified visual novel if the story is good (not great, not amazing, good). I just have no faith they'll make the gameplay some tour de force. It'd take far bigger changes than simply replacing writers.

>>713495834
FF16 has fags kissing.
Flopspoken has a magic system.
FF15 is at least an RPG.
You lost and your concession was already accepted. Fuck off back to r/lgbt

>>713496003
that's great but nobody's ever talking about flopspoken and ff15 of their own volition

>>713494598
But how can you get into the world unless you ask Martha's Rest how they're doing for the 28th time?

>>713496003
flopspoken was written by a bunch of fat retarded black women
xv was a moneysink that made tabata resign. even tabata was shocked at xvi saying "woah, so this is how a completed game looks like"

>>713496043
Ironic considering 16 only gets brought up to whine about Barry.

>>713496126
i've seen a lot of xvi discussion, not only here but in xitter
you soiling your pants over the game mere existence is another complete different problem

>>713496126
You haven't noticed the daily "i've just heard about this crazy game called... final fantasy exx vee eye??? what's this all about? is it kino and should i spend money on it????" threads?
>>713496193
>xitter

>>713496107
Cool, but no gays kissing and requires more than 1 button to play unlike 15 & 16.

>>713496126
yeah no shit, morons shoehorn 16 because they see lecryingyoshida.jpg on a ziv bait thread and think it's their moment

>>713470964
*mysteriously goes silent when forced to have an opinion of my own instead of merely dumping on the opinions of others*
Pssssshh nuffin personnell...... kid............

Knew he was gonna crop up when I pulled up his xitter and saw that he posted just 10 hours ago

>>713496275
so true, sister, praise the lawd
what? you whole ass studio died after the game release? not muh problem, yellow cracka. we out

>>713496275
>xiv thread
>trannies defending the gay shit in xvi
they never beating the allegations

>>713496126
LOL

>>713496376
As if you aren't pounding your chode to mediocre lesbian porn

>>713496372
You've mistaken me saying Flopspoken is better than FF16 as me thinking it is a good game. It just makes you look even worse for defending a game that got btfo by those disgusting gorilla niggers.

I was going to ERP but now the maintenance ruined my night.

>xvi gets dunked on
>muh barry
every tiem

>>713496449
then i'm saying it
xvi is better than xv
and of course, xvi is better than flopspoken
hell, i'd say asscreed nigga is better than flopspoken, cause it didn't had debra wilson

>>713496529
based

>>713496528
>go to pie eating competition
>shit my pants
>y'all just mad i won the pants shitting competition

>>713496126
Kek you called it.

>>713496590
kek, owned

Reminder they Barry won.

>>713496739
you'll win once you get out of your mom's basement

>>713496869
don't give him impossible conditions

>>713495968
>I hear 7.2 is pretty solid and speeen is cute
Yeah, I came back for 2.5 to see Occult Crescent. Its much better, but doesn't mean its where it should be by any means. The story is also so fucking Sci-fi now.
Speen is very very cute though and I would not be disappointed if she becomes a permanent Scion after this. Lol leave Wuk Lmao behind, take Speen with us.

>>713496810
Some people are too sensitive about their single button combat games getting btfo by the studio killing meme game. SoP clears all that garbage.

>>713496902
best case scenario: we keep sphene, wuk goes
acceptable scenario: we lose sphene, but wuk goes as well
unacceptable scenario: we keep sphene but we also have to keep wuk
burn it all down scenario: we lose sphene, but we have to keep wuk

>>713496979
Agreed.

>>713496275
Kek

what will i do when wuk lamat leaves the story and i can't obsess over her anymore

>>713497095
I swear they made her in a lab to be as adorable and defenseless looking as possible.
These fuckers said, "ALERT ALERT WE NEED TO TROT OUT WAIFUBAIT QUICK."

How is there another hotfix maintenance? Why do they need to take the servers down to fix some textboxes?

>>713497195
You will just continue to obsess over her for a decade longer.

>>713495813
Cringe tranny

>>713497210
>an issue will be addressed when HNM ToDs were during NA prime time

Do you think it necessarily has to be grimdark if you don't consider dawntrail to have been the "beach holiday" expansion?
I would at the lease be up for them introducing something to act as a new long form antagonist. Is there even anyone to act in that role at this point?

>>713495031
How old is he?

>>713497279
No, shit doesn't need to be grimdark or needs to slaughter half the cast to be good. Most FF games are very wholesome and the opposite of grimdark, this is just a rancid trend in modern fantasy.

>>713497195
you'll obsess over the next retard they put into the game
maybe the next one will be a ftm so we can get (slightly) new bait

>the audience doesn't understand what they're asking for
I have been very vocal about wanting dating content, especially with Y'shtola. All I got was shitty savage fights I don't partake in and a MSQ that shoves her more aside.

I feel it is time Yoshida listens to *me* and *my* demands.

>>713497198
Well it worked because it definitely pulled on my heart strings a bit.
I want her to stick around after just one patch. Shes adorable.
I also want to have her outfit for myself.
>>713497279
DT would have been 100x better if it actually was the "beach holiday" expansion.
Unfortunately, it wasn't even close to that. It doesn't have to be "grimdark" to be good though, no.
>Is there even anyone to act in that role at this point?
I worry about this too, especially if threats and antagonists are to stay grounded on the planet. They've basically unified all the nations of the world into one big ass alliance. I really don't like that at all.
>>713497290
Old enough to already have a failed theater/script writing job in his past. As well as work on at least some side-quests in XIV from ARR on.

I don't mind that, I think the emphasis on the very straightforward 'two packs of mobs then aoe down to open the door' kind of dungeon isn't that exciting or interesting to play. It's efficient but it's not very fun.
Honestly it should be the other way around, where the lower the level the simpler the dungeon, and higher level dungeons get more maze like and tricky to navigate.

>>713497435
agreed. we need more lala content

At work
Not in the mood for it
Dearth of interesting content
Y'shtola needs to be hooked up to a tanker full of whipped cream and pumped up until she's a taut blimp ready to pop