>E-Celebs are finally all talking about it
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

40k signatures in a day.

>>713580495 (OP)
IT'S NOW OR NEVER!!!

>>713580495 (OP)

>>713580495 (OP)
>40k signatures in a day.
now keep the same momentum for a month straight and you might get something

>you wouldn't get it

>>713581092
>Go on discord
>Find 20 people willing to play
>Play like the good old days
Not hard. This faggot is retarded

>>713581092
You can't ever re-experience seeing Star Wars again for the firtst time in theaters with everyone shouting and having fun. So we should destroy every copy of it.

>>713581092
What video is this from?

>>713581487
? from the retarded chipmunk himself. i wont paste it

I am proud to have aided in this noble cause. I am officially no longer the problem.

>>713581092
His lesbian pussy must really hurt after being told what a hypocritical retarded cunt he is.
>Uhmmm ACK-shually keeping this game playable wouldn't have made the game playable.
>It's a hollow shell because I said so
>Only my opinion matters
>The other people who were still playing? Fuck em

you simply wouldn't

>>713582004
Sounds based to me

I did not sign your communist agenda

>>713581695
>I am officially no longer the problem
You never were, anon.

LET'S GO WE CAN DO IT /v/.
Maybe /int/ can help us in this as well.

>>713581092
Wow, if only games used to have files people could share around indefinitely giving a game like Meet Your Maker a sense of value with fresh content still well after servers have shit off... if only file share and custom level existed... if only mods existed...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOUrnUktTjU
Send In The Clowns (From ‘A Little Night Music’)

>>713581092
The real fun of MYM was swapping levels with your friends

>>713581092
This whiny gay furry will bend over backwards as far as it takes to misinterpret what game preservation means.

>>713583483
Yeah why can't you guys just admit "preservation" is you want free games to spite the evil corpos

stop playing subscription services and thinking they're games.

>>713581092
SKG would LITERALLY solve that problem anyway
He's legit too stubborn to admit hes fucking wrong

>>713584085
>you guys just admit "preservation" is you want free games
supermarket stores in the EU started to give out discounts on easily spoiled food before closing hours
it's woke, but better than having to burn it.

i.e. if you want to wait 10 years to get the free game sure. which this isn't even what is being argued, you retarded idiot. leaving a game in a playable state has nothing to do with pricing. how is your skull this thick to not understand such a simple concept

>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF/

>>713584187
Technically every game ever made is a subscription service which can be terminated at any time for no reason according to the EULA.

>>713584085
I want to be able to play the games I paid for in perpetuity.

>>713584467
i honestly have no idea what MYM is but if that retard is simply saying people are fleeing the game because they don't want to play it, that's one thing, but if that game is relying on a central server (which i don't think) and that plug is being pulled without leaving behind any server software, then that's where SKG would come in. if that company wanted to sell software in the West

>>713584867
>erm technically the game on your shelf can magically teleport away from you.

>>713585032
Yeah most of the PC games already have. I can't use my World of Warcraft discs, or my Command and Conquer 3 discs, or my Planetary Ahnihilation disc, or my Orange Box disc, or my Wolfenstein TNO disc. They're all just bricks now because the online services those rely on have abandoned the disc copies of those games. Console games are getting that way too. If it isn't stopped now, in a few years practically every game will be like this. The only exception being some obscure indie titles.

>>713584980
The live service slop stops here

>>713580495 (OP)
The world is on the brink of WW3 and in late stage capitalism at the same time.

Even if it gets 1 million signatures, nobody is going to do even 10% of what Ross is asking. Changing the status quo that is currently in place would cost too much.

>>713584867
no it can't you retard. if they are selling you the software for usage but not the right to distribute it, then you have that right and that right should be enforceable regardless on what store the license was acquired (as long as the company or the rightsholder still exists)
>you don't get to have a slave just because you make someone sign a paper

retard, if companies want to skip physical and there's no way to resell your digital copy, then they will also get all the downsides of that: "give me access to the license i purchased, where is it, I don't care store X doesn't exist anymore. i want to download my copy"

>>713585601
>Even if it gets 1 million signatures, nobody is going to do even 10% of what Ross is asking. Changing the status quo that is currently in place would cost too much.
then you don't get to sell your game in that market and the money will be spent on games that do comply with it.
like literally 0 shits given.
sometimes you simply have to save people from themselves (as a people/government)

>>713585690
I agree that's how it should be. But as it stands the companies have all the power and we have none. Hopefully if this initiative passes it'll fix that.

>>713585601
>The world is on the brink of WW3 and in late stage capitalism at the same time.
cry me a fucking river and take your meds
>https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/genetics-suggest-our-human-ancestors-very-nearly-went-extinct-900000-years-ago-180982830/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2975862.stm

>>713585479
Yes, live service games as we know them now would cease to exist.

>>713586151
good

same anon
>>713586097
SKG has nothing inherently to do with licensing.
the same licensing just that you cannot make the product inoperable because the company says so because either a) you have a new product or b) the company is getting sold / going bankrupt.

you brought up EULAs so i responded to that.

>>713581092
>you cant just host the files!!!!!
You 100% could have a community archive of tens of thousands of maps and host them all locally if the devs werent gay cocksuckers, you can literally do this with mario maker right fucking now....

>>713586130
kinda different without nuclear weapons anon

same anon
>>713587250
i don't know MYM. does that mean MYM will close down central servers and it's not the community walking away for other games? (i assumed B)

>>713581092
disingenuous faggot

>>713587250
https://archive.org/details/super_mario_maker_courses_202105

>>713582262
Good goy

>>713582262
Corporations are not people, and they are especially not your friends. Sorry you equate not getting fucked up the ass to communism

>>713585601
That depends on what the law says. It'll probably be 100x more relaxed that what Ross is pushing for. But it'll still be a win for the consumer. Even if we just get a sign for every online only game that says "You are paying for a revocable license"

>>713581092
Watching Ross' video on this guy then seeing that pic just makes me more pissed off at this furry jew.

>>713581092
The roach fears the Mold

>>713582262
Corporations are worth more than the people of the nation state. To go against them is akin to high treason. Know your enemy.

I like how everyone that's against the initiative is just completely incoherent and misses the entire point of it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

>>713582262
Very good, goyim.

>>713584867
Not fallout 3
>entire game on disc
>doesn't need steam
>installs .exe and is gtg to be played

So now the mask is off and these threads are full eceleb shilling? No wonder all of the SKG supporters spamming these threads seem mentally ill and incapable of arguing in good faith.

>>713581092
any private mmo server disagrees

>>713590298
>the protocols haven't been updated yet but they still feel compelled to lash out in response
What a lack of organized religion and strong community ties does to a motherfucker

>>713582225
You sound like a troll.

>>713590298
its against their own best interests to stop stg. in the middle of the doublethink they can't manage to be completely coherent.

>>713590467
>/v/ has ALWAYS wanted more government regulations against video games, anyone saying otherwise is a contrarian!
why are you such a liar?

>>713587250
Fuck, Flashpoint did that with flash games

>>713590378
It's a skill to be both dumb and incapable of thought.
You're living proof of that.

>>713590298
The issue is that what they present as the problem isn't the real problem
Like they say it's about consumer rights and game preservation, when really it's just about trying to attack companies they see as ruining their video games
Like Gamergate, where they said it was about ethics in game jounralism when it was an excuse to attack woke shit in video games

>>713587608
nukes are overrated, half of them probably don't even work anymore and the uranium was stolen and sold on the black market

>>713590378
How about threads about this very thing getting spammed with CP in the past?

>>713590548
>anon comments on another anons link to youtube about pirate and pirates community
>random 3rd anon is personally offended and likens it to /v/ and himself
What an odd thing to do? Noone was talking about /v/ here anon.

>Forcing developers to spend time adding in a feature that they don't want and no consumer will actually use won't cost them more money, they can just work for free or take pay cuts!
Not surprising that this campaign failed to launch. Your only chance is getting children and NEETs to sign for such a shitty proposal.

>>713581092
>Over a decade ago, japanese porn game devs and their community solved this issue

>>713590689
i made you an appointment for this friday. you don't need to take anything with you

>>713590950
I don't think putting a sticker on the box that the game is a rental that will shut down in 2 years is too much to ask.

>>713590141
Did he really put a glownigger in his power point?

>>713590374
New Vegas is like that though

>>713591140
Did you not realize how based ross really is?

>>713591190
I have that too.

Know what kills me? I'd actually love it of SKG worked the way this retard proclaims. Just shoot anyone trying sell GAAS shit in the head
Guess I'll have to settle for consumers not getting fucked over instead

>>713584834
>supermarket stores in the EU started to give out discounts on easily spoiled food before closing hours
>it's woke, but better than having to burn it.
that's been a standard practice for many countries

>>713591281
one day anon, one day.

>>713591275
The New Vegas disc is a steam installer. Even if the files are the disc, they're 13 years out of date, so steam will still force you to download the whole thing from the internet.

>>713582262
are you american?

>>713591368
oh its been so long that i've installed fnv from disc I just took your word for it. that's too bad, would be better to have a non-steam version, considering steam won't last forever.

>>713591209
I knew he was based, but not in the "one of us" way. I remember him calling le happy merchant a slur when a game referenced it.

What if PirateSoftware is just playing 4D chess? He pissed everyone off with a retarded take about stop killing games so that it would pick up more steam from the drama and people would vote for it out of spite?
Probably not and the guy is just an idiot but it's funny to think about.

I
DROP
THE
MASK
ENTIRELY

What am I supposed to do for you?

>>713581092
>likes his own comment

>>713590141
lmao there is no way this is an actual slide he made?
it looks like a 4chan shitpost

>>713591427
Just cause he's not anti-semitic doesn't mean he isn't wise to the governments tricks. He's the guy who knows everything about disappearing into farming cults after all.

>>713591426
New Vegas is on GoG, but its been updated a few times and lost support for a bunch of older systems in the process. Better than nothing, but not as good as it could be.

what is the pirate rambling about? if he pirates games then why would this affect him?

>>713581092
Ok but does he has an agenda against SKG because it interferes with his plans or some shit and he can profit off it failing or is he just doubling down because he is a retard that was proven wrong in an internet debate and is just doubling down to save face (and failing at it)?

>>713591467
I didn't realize, holy shit what a fucking egomaniac. I can't even fathom the mindset to favorite your own fucking post like that.

>>713591429
No, he's just an industry shill. He stands to lose theoretical money from this initiative passing, so he's trying to stop it.

he deleted this btw

>>713591429
Wouldn't explain his other behavior unrelated to SKG

>>713580495 (OP)
Shills spammed literal pizza to get it kicked off the board because they seethed so much.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/478879249

>>713591572
should have downloadable versions after purchase just for that purpose.

>>713591532
Still, glow nigger is a very specific kind of based. You can know about the government's bullshit without knowing that the CIA niggers glow in the dark when you're driving at night.

>>713582262
>Tardwrangling corpos so that you can keep using the product that you bought at no cost to them is communist

>>713582262
poor bait

Gaming cannot be reborn if it doesn't die first.

>>713591634
Part of me wants to believe that he's some sort of industry plant but the most likely explanation is that he's a narcissistic retard that doesn't like to be proven wrong, his past controversies pretty much confirm his behaviour.

I signed last year already

>>713591572
Backwards compatibility is complicated because you can either package the dependencies with the game or rely on the system's. Even Microsoft that bends over backwards to maintain legacy compatibility makes concessions from time to time because it's not feasible to do that.

>>713591701
Unfortunately GoG only hosts the most recent versions of its games, unlike Steam which keeps basically every version of every game going back to release.

>>713591732

>>713591706
true true.

>>713591801
What broke it here is GoG galaxy integration. Even the offline non-galaxy installer still has the galaxy integration capable version of the game, which doesn't have legacy support. I don't even get why they try to force Galaxy anyways, no one uses that shit.

>>713580495 (OP)
Why did they demoralize everyone after trying to set up a huge petition?

>>713591829
which is a shame.

>>713591931

>>713591427
I am ancient enough to remember that "a Jew" in the early internet was an euphemism for the rich elite and and the greedy and not necessarily tied to one's ethnicity. Maybe it flew over my head but my impression was always that people who came later took it too literally.
Maybe he's also like that.

>>713591921
People are more likely to buy games when they have a launcher in the background 24/7 and just browse it from time to time like Steam. GOG is in a pretty rough state financially because very few people use it.

>>713590374
>Games For Windows Live now longer works
>can't install

>>713591647
>bottom reply
guy's actually retarded

>cars' tire safety matters
>truck/heavy equipment tire safety does not matter
like actually massively retarded. maybe he needs an edema to clear up his massive retardation

>>713592131
its true, bunch of retards got onto the chans and couldnt into sarcasm

>>713592220
We have it so good nowadays that we don't have to bother with Microsoft's garbage anymore, every game just goes through Steam now.

>>713591843
what's their secret?

>>713585690
Nothing ever happens, dumbass

I sleep.

Where's the KEEP KILLING GAMES petition?
Where's the KILL EVEN MORE GAMES petition?
Where's KILL ALL GAMES?

We need some Spanish / Portuguese / Greek guy to start talking about this. Those countries are NOT pulling their weight.

>>713592220
The gfwl drm implementation on Fallout 3 is completely broken. The windows live launcher for the game just runs an installer exectuable which isn't tied to it at all, so you can just run than executable and play it without even installing gfwl.

>>713580495 (OP)
oh right I can sign this up with all my grandparents gov accounts since I was forced to make it for them in february

>>713590298
jesus man its sad seeing chet falizek like this, i think hes gone a lil loony
at least erik wolpaw grew a huge beard and has a comfy cabin in the woods

>>713591647
>he liked his own post
KEKAROO

>>713592696
Based

>>713591647
Crazy how this guy is speedrunning fumbling the easiest and coziest job in the world. Hopefully one day he'll have to put fries in the bag.

>>713591429
He definitely did it to get more views on his content but his motivation is pure narcissism and malice.

>>713593114
Would you really eat fries served to you by him?

>>713591647
He really can't not double down. This is WoW all over again

>>713591634
>>713591753
He worked for Blizzard for 30 seconds thanks to nepotism and then ate their shitty dogma up. Blizzard hates private servers, mods of theirs games, user-made content -- literally everything that allows you to have freedom or fun that you didn't specifically pay Blizzard more for

>>713593251
True, true...

Why would I care about multiplayerslop being shut down

>>713591647
>>713593465
This guy's ego could power the fucking sun. He thinks he is Jesus Christ resurrected and can never be wrong about ANYTHING. EVER. Holy shit

>>713580495 (OP)
You are not getting half a million soignatures, no matter how many ecelebs shill this

>>713591647
was he cited as something to blame or is he trying to make this about him when nobody is talking about him?

>>713593632
Because then you have to wait decades before some autist figures out how to do it anyway, finally allowing you to play RE Outbreak with your friends

>>713593647
I wish pewdiepie still browses /v/

>Devs are our slaves! Maintain games for free!!!

>>713593763
Nigger just let us host our own servers

Name a single video game worth saving

>>713593763
>what do you mean we can't permanently shut the game down and leave gamers without any way to play?! those greedy bigots!

>>713593787
The code you wrote? It belongs to us now!

>>713593848
Ask the devs of Relooted about a single artifact worth saving

>>713593870
The game you paid for? You can't play it anymore!

>>713593870
This.
>Communism is suddenly fine when /v/ wants it

>>713593870
That washing machine you leased? We changed the terms of the agreement.

>>713591710
>no cost
What incentive would you have to buy future products if you can keep freeloading old crap forever? Digital products don't wear out or expire otherwise.
Stop being brown.

>>713592496
That would be the modern gaming industry anon.

>>713593990
Why should your parents get (you) more than one toy?

>>713593990
Make a better product than old product, then I will buy it.

>>713593990
The jew reveals itself.

>video game companies should be forced to keep games online forever
retards

>>713593953
>Wanting to own your games = com*unism
Lol this angle won't work no matter how many times you spam it.

>>713594083
You should be forced to eat shit forever.

Communism lost.

>>713593678
He says it in that comment, 30 minutes of the video is ross saying he thinks piratesoftware being the biggest voice on the topic, and being overtly against it based on a fundamental misunderstanding of it, turned people away, which is a stance the numbers support

>>713593979
You didn't buy a game you bought a license retard. If you don't like that, play a different game.

I love the European Union. It is the peak of human civilization, progress and wealth.

>>713594151
You don't own the socks on your feet.

I'm glad to see your final push to 600k signatures that I've predicated from the start

>>713594135
>stopping corporations from stealing money is communism
>owning things is communism

>>713594197
>I bought nu-socks which have rapid changing colours that come with a user agreement instead of normal socks that you own and after 10 years they stopped supporting it! how could I have forseen this?

>this actually works
I just signed for the second time lol. ALL NON EU ANONS, GO SIGN THE INITIATIVE AS A GREEKOID

>>713594375
A 5000 page agreement is not enforceable in EU court as reading it takes a week.

>>713594453
its not 5000 pages. usually a few paragraphs is enough.

>>713584467
He is fully fine with games dying (his nepo job in Blizzard gave him AAA dev mindset). He will always be against SKG

>>713591016
i thought spore did it first

>>713594263
That's the American way, brother. Now applaud Trump's bombing of Iran or else you're a communist.

>>713594424
Nigger, you know these initiatives are reviewed and FAKE FUCKING VOTES can torpedo it entirely?
Ross even talked about it in his very first video about the launch of the initiative

>>713594495
>its not 5000 pages.
1.3 GB of unformatted text

Isn't the petition just to force the EU to take a look at the situation, with no obligation to actually do anything the petition suggests? I don't get why people are so dead set against even that initial investigation step. If you want games to keep dying, then there's a good chance they would rule in your favor anyway that everything is fine as is, and the issue would be settled.

>>713582262
You couldn't even if you wanted to.

>>713594660
No. Legal act HAS to be proposed
>This popular initiative enables one million citizens of the European Union,[2] with a minimum number of nationals from at least seven member states, to call directly on the European Commission to propose a legal act (notably a Directive or Regulation) in an area where the member states have conferred powers onto the EU level.

>>713594624
I don't know what games those are but a lot of companies don't have massive agreements like that. i do agree that should be regulated. but still i think consumers know more or less what they are signing up to.

>>713594660

Pretty much and it's very unlikely EVERYTHING Ross wants will go through, he even states himself and some compromises would be nice.
Like at the very least, being able to play a game offline that doesn't really need online play should be the bare minimum.

>>713591209
>Tranquisition

This kills the shill. Remember, source code is not in fact, necessary.

>>713580495 (OP)
Shop on GOG, problem with GaaS solved. I can't participate in this since i am not European but i can shop on GOG and not give my money to platforms that push GaaS.

>>713581434
Or simply go to the GOG forums. That's how i play older games i bought on GOG in multiplayer.

>>713593990
I would be incentivized if they were to produce a superior product, instead of selling me the same thing because they disabled the old thing remotely to prevent me from using it. That was the essence of capitalism. Competition and evolution in products and services, not stagnation via abusing fraudulent loopholes.

>>713594879
>>713594956
You're a funny guy.

>>713580495 (OP)
As in non-english mega channels? If it's still english speaking channels the project is still dead.

where's the eu map that showed the signatures for each country? I can't find it anymore

>>713594606
>fake
Greece is in the EU, based retard.

>>713594083

>>713581092
He's still at it?
Shut up already

>>713591572
You can always store your offline installers anon. Some of the offline installers i have saved are like more than 5 years old. That's why i love the GOG offline installers.
>got the offline installers on the GOG site
>got the ones saved on my external drives and DVDs
>also have Galaxy for autoupdates on new games

>>713594083
Retard

>>713591829
That's not true. You can pull older versions trough GOG Galaxy. I remember doing that when Owlcat broke Pathfinder:Kingmaker with a patch so i went to GOG Galaxy and loaded an older version of the game. The most recent versions are for the offline installers.

>>713594424
You need a valid document number and your national version of SSN

>>713595156
Yes, but if you sign while saying you're a Greek citizen when you're not, your vote is fake and it won't get counted in the end.

>>713594180
Hello Sunday Friend

>>713594180
EU is shit at everything apart from consumer protection laws.

>>713595156
Not anymore .
By refusing to sign this petition they have effectively rendered themselves outside the EU.
Member status revoked.
EU Citizenship rescinded.
Gibs denied.

True evropa for trve europeons.

>>713594180
It's far from it, but compared to the alternatives it is a veritable paradise. I wish the EU client states did not have to cripple their own economies to "strengthen the union members", EU production quotes here murdered several of our industries that used to be the staple of the country.

>>713595079
It made certain countries look bad so it has been replaced with a single progress bar.

>>713594180
This but unironically.
>>713594424
Don't do this. The initiatives are checked for fake votes. If you are not a real EU citizen you are just wasting your time. The votes are going to get checked against the EU voters database(the same one that they use to check if people can vote in EU elections). There is no chance to scam votes in. This is not a ''petition'' the way people are used to think of. This is way more serious and official.

>>713594180
t. von der Leyen

>>713595421
Sshhh let those tards fake the remaining signatures

>>713595421
>the EU is totally going to check if peepeepoopoodopoulos lives under this exact address

>>713595579
You can't fake them.

>>713581092
>This is not the way the game is intended to be played! You can't enjoy it because I say so!
Wtf is their problem?

>>713595579
You can't fake them >>713595570 >>713595612

>>713595594
They have automated systems that do it via citizen ID codes, yeah. This is not the US where dead people and illegal niggers can vote.

>>713595594
They're at least gonna check to make sure Peepeepoopoodopoulos is a real person.

What should we do to punish Spain, Portugal, Greece and all the other swarthoid countries?

>>713595683
>Peepeepoopoodopoulos
That name sounds suspiciously Greek.

>>713582262
>communism bad because american propaganda said so

>>713581092
>Completely dodges the point of SKG yet again

>>713595715
roman emperor pupienus (pronounced poopy anus)

It's a bad idea to completely fake a signature HOWEVER fellow eu fags can sign on behalf of any family/friends you know the names and addresses of (provided it's a country that doesn't also require some kind of government id number)

People against SKG should just admit they're spiteful and don't want other people to have nice things. Or that they don't care about preservation because it doesn't affect them personally. I can respect these stances and I get where these people are coming from.
But for whom I have zero respect for are these fucking slimeballs that try to imply that the SGK initiative may have unforeseen consequences for online or live service games or worst of them all the fucking little worms that say shit like "think of the poor corporations". Or concern troll about indie live service (lmao) being a collateral in this when indie devs are the ones who usually allow you to self host and do everything that SGK is asking for.
Some people are jaded and that's fine but concern trolls like PirateSoftware are the lowest scum there is. Fucking piece of shit knows exactly what he's saying and he's being misleading on purpose.

>>713595713
There are less hardcore gamers in those countries since gaming on a serious level is an expensive hobby. You can see how most votes are from richer countries.

This petition is VERY anti semitic.

>>713590298
Did his brain melt from too many drugs what the fuck is this

Developers don't care about me, why should I care about developers?

>>713595942

>>713595884
The poorer countries are also generally less informed and don't care about it as much because they're used to just pirating vidya so this changes nothing for them. They also have a weird disdain for EU as a concept despite leeching from it far more than the basically nothing they contribute so they see this initiative as another commie shit they shouldn't support.

>>713594624
Bad faith argument, that's a thousands of third party EULA's put togheter
I checked some of the games i have installed and they range from 1k words in Assetto Corsa up to around 8k words for yakuza or civ vi, and those include some third party licenses as well
This doesn't validate their content, but let's try being real here

I also like how they start with "IF YOU'RE AMERICAN WE CAN FUCK YOUR ASS"

>>713596046
The land of the free to be exploited

>>713580495 (OP)
I super dont care. If a game is about to die maybe its for a good reason?

>>713592496
You already signed it. Everytime you buy and accept the EULA of any EA or Ubisoft game.

>>713595773
Communism is bad, not being able to own stuff sucks. I will own, I will be happy.

>>713595809
You think emperor Phocas liked Pupienus?

>>713581092
>all that drama because he didnt equip a mana pot

>>713596112
You can own things no problem tho, you're just another victim of propaganda.

>>713580495 (OP)
This gives me hope. Reminds me of last stretch kickstarter surges. It's not over!!

>>713596027
>>713595884
The irony is that they are probably relegated to play games that can only be community server hosted rather than expensive live service games...

...is what I want to be true, but they actually all play Fifa and Gacha

>>713593870
Didn't know I own the code to Unreal Tournament

Whats his take on that? Im sorry but i couldnt be bothered to research this on my own. Asmons takes are usually spot on so i will just trust him.

>>713596085
Games don't "Die" every video game ever is able to be run indefinitely. "Sever dependency" is fake, and gay. The server is just another program being run on another computer.

>>713581092
Why is he so retarded? No, seriously, why?

Hmmm

No thanks, I'd rather watch gaming die.

>>713596168
>You own the Crew, and Dead Rising Off the Record, you just can't launch, or play them because the company shut down your game remotely.


Cool so just give me the files to run the game indefinitely in a end of life plan. If this isn't about forcing me to buy your new product by bricking my old one.

>>713580495 (OP)
Start killing games when?
>>713581092
hope this faggot legit gets fucked
>>713582262
mutts can't sign it

>>713596085
There is no good reason for rendering a game unplayable just because you designed it that way

>>713596447
bruh

>>713584187
Oddly this doesn't affect subscription services. There's no duplicity in the nature of your transaction. It's clearly you pay me X you get to use this program for Y time. There's no illusion of ownership/perpetual license.

>>713596375
he's been insulated from life through nepotism and private hugboxes

>NOOO NOT MY HECKIN’ 10-YEAR-OLD 4/10 LIVE SERVICE GAME WITH 3 PLAYERS WORLDWIDE

All EU can do is regulate American companies but can produce nothing on their own.

>>713596561
I paid for it so I better fucking be able to play it when I want to.

>>713581092
The clearest sign of an stupid person is the inability to admit they are wrong.

>>713596403
Based benis chads :DDDDD

>>713596561
>No one right now is playing Super Mario Bros so it should be forgotten!

>>713596561
Yes, MY 10 year old 4/10 live service with 3 players worldwide that I will continue to play because I paid for it

>>713584834
That's some new thing in EU? They literally made an anime about people brawling in the supermarket for discounted meals over a decade ago.

>>713596631
... ubisoft is french.

>>713596168
so you don't abolish private property?

>>713596651
>an stupid person

>>713596631
this whole thing kicked off over a french company you dumb mutt

>>713596707
I 'member

>>713591647
He's one of those shitbag retards who can never just say 'yeah my bad, I was wrong' when he says or does something stupid. He will go on days long million word rants about why he was actually completely correct and everyone else is dumb and unreasonable to him and sooo mean and crazy wah wah. He's done this loads of times about various things, it's exhausting to see his content.

>>713596631
Euro Games are better than the American ones, thoughever.

>>713595156
Greece pay the debts

>>713596631
we made Baldur's Gate 3
How's Concord going for ya?

>>713595079
I don't know about a map, but here's this.
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/

>>713596715
Private property is being abolished, not PERSONAL property.

>>713593990
Digital products DO have wear and tear... such as old libraries they depend on may end up being depricated and no longer working down the line, meaning that now extra effort is required to keep them running again. Or they just won't play well with modern hardware.

The decay is of a different nature than physical books, but it's still there.

>>713596816
so no one owns private property prior to abolishment?

>>713581092
This guy makes my blood boil.
I think he's a compulsive liar.

>>713596820
Making it even more unfeasible to demand infinite access, thank you.

>>713596812
>muh baldurs queer 3
You made like 5 noteworthy games from last decade. Also Russia is about to take your whole continent. Have fun with that lol

sorry lil bro but God discontinued the proprietary oxygen server, as such oxygen no longer works in your body and you will now suffocate to death

>>713584834
>it's woke
You fuckers have been mindbroken
it a clever business move, you get some profit on products that you'd have to throw away and you get good PR

>>713596893
the fuck

>>713581092
>>713596375
>>713596541
My fucking god, this is crazy. The existence of the City of Heroes private servers in and of itself (to say nothing for other types of titles) proves he's idiotic. Especially if all those user-created content and tools to do so is preserved, you absolutely run a private server that brings old content and assets, while also updating / expanding creating new ones - which can grow a significant server populace to give the "intended" experience. Aside from the subjective idea that something isn't worth playing without a massive population (something MMO private servers have already proven otherwise) , this is just counterproductive.

Even if you didn't think it was possible to preserve the
>SOVL INTENDED EXPERIENCE
the way you wanted it, you have the choice between supporting corpos sunsetting everything the moment its no longer profitable and locking it in the IP vault forever, or what SDV is trying to do..and this guy comes in on the side of the corpos? Fuck.

>>713596631

>>713596932
is private property not someone's personal property?

>>713591710
>>713594084
>Having rights is communist
>Being able to go on holiday is communist
>Being able to spend time with your newborn is communist
>Being able to have weekends off to spend time with friends and family is communist
>Owning the products that you bought is communist!
>Filthy communist, making people think communism is based!

Libertarians are funny like that.
They are communism's greatest walking and talking advertisement board by equating anything that means a higher quality of life to the people at the cost of slightly less control by big corpos and the ultra-rich to communism.
None of these things are communism, but they make people think that it is... but instead of turning people away from the things you oppose (because they don't want to be associated with communism), you just end up making them sympathetic to communism instead.

>>713581092
If he was just honest and say that supporting companies that want to endlessly rerelease games for money, maybe people wouldn't listen to his opinions so much

>>713596954
>tons of indieshit
>janky slav rpgs (gothic, risen, etc.)
There are like 5 EU games that i would consider decent.

>>713582262
>>713595773
>Communism is when property and ownership is entitled to you when you pay for something
huh?

>>713596958
No, your house, your pc, your console, your shoes, your game, your phone, your chair, your burger, your wine are not private property but personal property

>>713590810
This. With all the crazy nations who hate America, don't you think ONE of them would try a nuke?

That's right, they wouldn't truly get a chance because we'd bomb them like we JUST DID to Iran. No, you hateful shitstate, you don't GET nukes because you hate your neighbors who aren't at war, let alone terrorists.

Why is the bastion of hope EU. Why cant you do this petition in America?

>>713596958
it's the other way around, personal property is a subset of private property

>>713597220
Ask your king.

>>713597110
God damn I hate communists fickle word play
Private property is everything you own you dumb cunt
You are not allowed to buy shit with communism, you have to ask the government to provide it for you

>>713597261
wrong

Don't get too off track here, remember that shitflinging gets these threads deleted quicker.
Besides, a libertarian viewpoint would include the abolishment of IP laws and for total free market decisions, but that's not who you are arguing with.

>>713597298
Not wrong at all, you think games would exist under communism?
You are retarded

>>713596904
at least we made something that's not a embarrassment
> Russia is about to take your whole continent.
>muh slavnigs who can't take over ukraine
i'm quaking..literally shaking lmao
Mindseye 2 when? i need another good laugh and financial bomb for you,
Good old muttland vs europoor pissing contest aside, srsly wtf is happening to you guys? why do your companines even make this legit trash?

>>713597375
Yes I think they would exist and would be much better.

>>713597227
So the other guy is fucking retarded then. It's a form of private property and thus subject to private property laws, that is, use, service and exchange.

>>713597220
Because there\s legal precedent that makes it harder, ProCd vs Zeidenberg I believe.

>>713597261
>You are not allowed to buy shit with communism
How does owning the means of production influence ones ability to utilize the fruit of their labor?
>you have to ask the government to provide it for you
Did you form your political opinions by watching 50's red scare propaganda?

>>713596954
GTA deserves to be there
the best GTA games where made in SCOTLAND

>>713597246
dead iranians are a good thing

>>713581092
I'm just glad that this idiot asshole is finally getting the negative attention he deserves. It's long fucking overdue.

What was that one game that you wish was saved?

>>713597619
>finally
He has been shit on for the past 5 months

>>713596283
i need to sit down and watch his older one about it. but i hope to god asmon dosent shill for corpos and thor if he were to react to it. i have hope though since asmon called out thor when saying people dont have the right to demand devs keep workin, that asmon refuted it with devs dont have the right to take away something they paid for

>>713595079
homos have it https://eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/
SDG does not, any more https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/

>>713597542
Propaganda like what you are doing now?
You don't even understand the Ideology you follow
>>713597401
uh huh, I'm sure you do

>>713596283
He never had any take of his own in his entire life.

Malta will forever fuck this over.
The only people that live there are tax evading billionaires (who couldn't give less of a shit about video games) and the impoverished masses (who probably don't even know what a video game is)

>>713597003
Ive had a crack theory for a while that all the modern inconveniences (Subscriptions, billions of different streamimg services, companies suddenly deciding to shit the quality up on a product, etc etc) is just one big communist psyop to make people yearn for it after decades of anticom propaganda, because strict centrallization and all that shit communism brings would be more convenient than to pay for twenty different services that all do the same thing.

>>713597614
Iranians are pretty cool for sand people standards.
Also, it's costing the US taxpayer over $1 million per kill. A random Iranian is not worth that much.

>>713596703
based

>>713597775
My king told me that they should die so they will.

>>713597719
If I remember correctly, he belongs to the same talent agency as roach software.

>>713584867
>eula
is this some burgermutt thing I am too first world to understand?

>>713596501
That's why they do this, and shills want to keep it like that. If people can't play the old games they think they'll sell more of the new ones.

>>713597003
Communism is a controlled economy
When you start imposing rules on the creators of luxury goods just because you don't like what they make, you're making the same mistake communism is

>>713597828
The king always does the opposite of what he says.

>>713597531
>Zeiden...
Every
Single
Fucking
Time

>>713597712
not a commie retard
You're shadowboxing straw and make look everyone in your ballpark retarded by association
If you want to have political discussion online at least get the facts about ideology right

>>713597874
consumer rights trump your gay ass argument.

>>713597874
There is a huge world of difference between controlling both supply and demand (Which is wholly unfeasible) and restrictions on how you can make a product.
Besides, IP law is a restriction on luxury goods and yet no one complains about that.

>>713597919
>at least get the facts about ideology right
I have the facts 100% correct dumbass
Ask any "scholar" about how you would go about getting a game console under communism

>>713581092
Okay so then lets not preserve that one specific game and preserve all the other ones, you stupid fucking retard.
I hate shills so much.

>>713597940
No it doesn't
If you give the uncreative class control over the creative class then the creative class won't make anything good, because uncreative people don't know how to be creative

>>713596954
>Freedom Fighters
MAKE A NEW GAME IOIGGERS

>>713597968
>restrictions on how you can make a product.
Why should you restrict how people make video games? You don't NEED video games, nor can they post a danger to you. If you don't like it, don't fucking buy it
> IP law is a restriction on luxury goods and yet no one complains about that.
Some people do, but many people understand that IP law is what allows things like video games to be made in the first place

>>713598040
the free market dictates what can and cannot be.
and alot say the way shit is going cannot be.
im all for capitalism. but i sure as fuck know when something smells like shit and needs correction.

>>713598084
>Restrictions that serve consumers bad
>Restrictions that serve developers good
Either all of it is ok, or none of it is ok. Let the free market decide or follow with the rules.

>>713597742
Individual countries don't have veto on europarlamentary ordinary legislation, that usually require the approval of majority of countries with 65% of the population. This rule was made specifically to stop microstates from fucking the rest over.
The effect is that once the europarlament rules on something the individual countries have to accept or adapt said directive into their law
If they don't commissions are formed, fines are applied and citizens can go to EU courts for easy appeals

>>713598040
>noooo you can't just tell corporations to get in line! they need to be allowed to do what ever they please with no repercussions!

>>713598120
Your post essentially boils down to "I don't like it"
The idea with the free market is if you don't like something, you don't buy it

>>713597227
Ah yes, the post-Marx term Personal Property with the Vaush toothpaste example that directly with both theory presented by Marx, and praxis.

Every single time they'll take the coat off your back. This is what everyone from Marx to Stalin advocates for. They literally seized toothbrushes. They literally seized fucking belts, and coats. Every regime to have ever existed has barred "Hoarding" goods as mundane as toothpaste. They steal people's used socks.

There are no protections, not even for the shirt on your back. If it's deemed of utility to the state it'll be seized. You can't even have a godamm cup, you have to share your cup.

>>713598084
Yeah, without IP laws we would be stuck in absolutely unacceptable situations like one dude with free time outdoing Nintendo at their own game. Clearly, the poor publishers need protection from this.

>>713581092
>3 likes
>one of them is himself
oof

>>713598040
>class
Always with the IDPOL

>>713598132
Restrictions that serve developers? You think developers making good games doesn't serve consumers aswell? The idea that developers are in conflict with consumers is just completely retarded in the first place, both parties want good games to exist, that's all it boils down to

>>713598167
the idea with the free market is. im going to snuff it the fuck out so it does not fester further.

>>713596631
I have never played an American game.

>>713598221
developers should be literal slaves

>>713598084
It allowed triple gay games to be made. The games I like are open source so loss of copyright wouldn't affect them.

>>713598221
Judging by developer tweets and shit like Concord or Marathon: No, developers don't want to make good games and they don't see themselves on the same level as consumers.
Fuck 'em.

>>713598185
Yes I'm sure if there were no money in video games then video games would be much better, one dude working in his free time will always make a better game than paid employees

>Public property
>Private property
>Personal property
Don't care, give me that toothbrush and game.

>>713598221
devs don't know what the fuck they are doing half the time and make terrible shit like vangaurd. the free market as god intended allows me to tell them to fuck off and go bankrupt with their shitty ideas.

>>713598265
>Art only started existing in 1930s after Disney lobbied its perverted take on IP laws

>>713598225
That's the exact opposite of a free market

>>713598261
>all people who develop games are the same and share the same opinions

>>713598151
Yeah but I'm pretty sure these petitions still need all the countries to pass their own thresholds

>>713596403
I don't have light eyes and I signed. What now?
Jokes aside, the map is simply a map of people that speak English fluently and consume English media.

>>713598293
I can rent them to you goy.

>>713598315
Video games require a huge amount of work to create, you won't have AAA games, you won't even have high end indie games

>/v/ literally every other day: Vidya industry sucks, billions of developers must hang, I'll laugh when the industry burns
>/v/ on SKG: B... but think of the poor developers.

>>713596283
He will probably side with Thor since he's a mmo rat.

>this terrifies the zoomer

>>713598338
Nah, it was like 7 countries past threshold + 1mil total signatures. Nobody cares if Portugal doesn't vote as long as others do.

>>713598221
>The idea that developers are in conflict with consumers is just completely retarded in the first place
You seem to have a misunderstanding about the free market.
Developers might as well be doing whatever the fuck they want. If they don't make a profit then they die, otherwise they survive.
It's like natural selection.

>>713598319
>i and many others see new game
>new game is ass and full of shit
>i and others do not buy game and activly let it be known it needs to die and change is needed
>this is somehow not the free market
>consumer rights means corps and devs can make what they want and not listen to the consumer

i reject your reality

>>713580495 (OP)
dumb initiative put in front of the tyrannic communist megastate known as the EU because gamers thinking owning old discs and stream downloads entitles them to the developer's intellectual property
Ross Scott is an imbecile and should have stuck to making his (admittedly cool) retrospective videos on obscure games

>>713598397
I don't know what the misunderstanding is, I agree

>>713598265
it will always be more soulful, and in many cases that can be preferrable yea, a lot of people do prefer simple indies to AAA copy/paste slop these days
a single person can very easily make a game identical in quality to anything up to the ps1/n64 era these days, and with skill it's reasonable to make full length games of ps2 quality as a one man team, let alone a couple friends working on something they care about

ask yourself this, did youtube videos become better after money and agencies entered the equation

>>713581092
I signed it just to spite this faggot

>>713598364
Yeah, no artist ever did massive amounts of work before copyright. Didn't happen. World just doesn't work that way.

>>713582262
Shalom.

>>713598418
You choosing not to buy the game is free market
You trying to get laws made so people don't make the games you dislike is not free market

>>713598432
Alright then, that line about developers and consumers being at odds made me think otherwise but I'm glad we cleared it up.

>>713580495 (OP)
>>E-Celebs are finally all talking about it
>40k signatures in a day.
If those signatures and e-cucks are not from the brown nations who haven't signed then it doesn't matter.

I don’t see the point of this. Let’s say the petition reaches 1 million signatures. It will take a long ass time for the EU to enforce it, up to three years. By then, we’ll likely be able to generate games using AI. So there wont be any need to perserve games.

>>713598467
The amount of work it took to paint that pales in comparison to the amount of work it takes to create a video game

The problem with the free market is the same problem as democracy: People are idiots. Then comes the unique problem that a person not buying only has one vote while someone who is buying can have theoretical unlimited votes if they keep purchasing.
Solution: I got none. There is no way to have a system that makes people stop being idiots while also allowing them to express individual rights and liberties.

>>713598068
never ever

>>713598529
>this is what 2025 dangerhair soidevs actually believe
My man, you're gluing together blocks in UE5 like a kindergartener in Scratch.

>>713598440
What if you want games that look better than PS1 games?

>>713580495 (OP)
You guys have the flier? I think i might print some and glue them around my city

>>713598480
low iq retard unmasks themselves. (you) didnt read the petish. (you) are acting in bad faith. (you) are a double nigger

>asking for end of life services to play beyond the devs payroll is somehow asking for games to not be made


literal retard. im not saying i want laws made not to create games i dislike, this was never my argument

>>713597581
Well this list is not complete, obviously. There's no Helldivers 2 on it either.

>>713596802
No.

>>713580495 (OP)
I would sign but I need to put my ID number on a website on the Internet, even if it's the EU I don't trust it enough. Sorry bros but god speed and fuck Pirate

>>713598612
My upper limit is PS2 games. That's a good balance between graphics and soul.

>>713598589
You might aswell just admit you have no idea what's involved in the creation process of either work

>>713582262
based

>>713598652
So you want games that look like shit

>>713586151
No they wouldn't you dumb fuck.
Learn to read.

>>713598649
It's EU's site. They have your Id if you're an EU fag. It's how they'll authenticate the signature.

>>713597840
no you're just retarded

>>713598620
What reason is there for forcing developers to make their games always playable other than "I don't like it"
If the developer is upfront about the game having an expiry date, it's fair, you can just choose not to buy the game if you don't like that

>>713594180
I love the idea of the EU

>>713598649
The EU already has your ID and all the information in it.

>>713598373
It's obviously a raid

>>713598690
If they are still fun? Yeah.

"I want my work to be killed by my publisher at his leisure"

Said literally nobody ever. If someone tries to argue against SKG, never for a second believe him if he claims to be a dev.

>>713581092
>"let's preserve the content that already exists!"
>"That's not how the game is meant to be enjoyed, eat my whole ass."

>>713598613
I mean the b&w flier, i ain't printing in color

>>713598751
fun isn't real

Based countries coming through

>>713598528
>Guys I don't see the point of death penalty, people eventually all die anyway

>>713598390
poor zoomers don't know anything but matchmaking and 50/50 ratio

>>713598763
Why does this faggot talk about eating ass so much

>>713598752
I'm a developer and I argue against this, not because I like always online games but because it's a thinly veiled excuse to blindly attack people who create games

>>713598770
Make Jak 4, Neil you hack.

>>713598772
Delete this!

>>713598373
>im some retarded ass doomposter and think everybody here is too

>>713598728
This is why i'll never sign this shit, it's perfectly fine for a developer to say "this is a temporary game, this is what you agreed to" and tell autistic retards to fuck off. Anything other than this is just plain communism and a violation of the free market.

>>713598814
he is "gay", his partner is a a FtM
probably gets pegged

>1 month left
>not even 50%

>>713598728
the issue here is devs don't.

the industry would be in a whole diffrent place if they told you out right or on the box. (this game will end and you will lose your purchase or purcheses on X date.)

its not communism to think giving the consumer themselves the ability to play a dead game once you decide to nuke it. its pure commerce

>>713598815
Don't act like an ass and we won't treat you like an ass.
Developers for the past 10 years have been openly shitting on the gaming community, why do you think we are hostile? Also, if it the outcome is to save the games that you are creating, does it matter if people shit on you?

>>713598815
Yeah, heavens forbid if devs are held to the unreachable standard of 1996 Quake. This is an attack on their whole career.

>aaa slop game kills itself
>retards slop lovers who bought it get cosmic punishment
>other retards can't get suckered into buying aaa slop
>this is somehow a bad thing
someone make it make sense

>>713598872
yes, but they don't

>>713598373
It's 2 things.
Firstly it's Maldvius Figtree and his army of fellow gay furries who are defending him because they feel smart agreeing with a nepobaby.
It's also all parts of the industry, developers, artists, musicians, managers and so on brigading because this is probably the worst thing that can happen to them.

SKG means that successive games HAVE to be objectively better than before. No more enshitification. They can't turn off an old game and release a new game with a worse consumer experience. The only way the new game will be sold is if it is better than before.

>>713598893
>the issue here is devs don't.
Really? Because the messaging here is not "tell people that your game expires", it's "your game should not be allowed to expire"
"Communism" is needlessly regulating things according to peoples whims

>>713584980

Why? I can’t imagine anything more miserable than playing a decade old abandoned live service game

>b-b-but I want to

No. It’s offensive to human dignity and debases the soul.

>>713581092
I hate this narcist fag so much

>>713598898
This is class-based moronics, there is no "we", people who make games are human beings you can't lump everyone into the same group and then mindlessly hate them

>>713598228
You never played a valve game?

>No one right now is currently playing Devil May Cry so no one should be able to.

>>713598940
>Maldvius Figtree

>>713597375
Here, let me b you tfo with a single word: TETRIS

>>713582262
Powerful.

>>713581092
Its ironic that he's called PIRATE software when Pirates would absolutely be against corporations

>>713598529
we classify work as manhours, so no, you're a retard
Jusst because modern tools allow us to skyrocket productivity and complexity that doesn't mean those megaconstructions were not a bigger collective effort

>>713581092
Is this the guy that pretended to solve a puzzle in 15min that people spent weeks trying to solve?

>>713582262
Every time I see this image, it's attached to absolute most dogshit, retarded fucking takes imaginable. Every time, without fail. Fucking pottery.

>>713597641
Global Agenda

>Devs who make games that people like to play and have no end date are universally loved (See: Most indie devs, fromsoft)
>Devs who make games that die at a moment's notice on a whim are hated (See: Blizzard)
WOULDN'T YOU LOOK AT THAT.
CONSEQUENCES OF YOUR OWN ACTIONS.

>>713591527
there are thousands of brainlets who don't understand what SKG is even about. Of course he has to keep it simple

>>713599058
>we classify work as manhours
Exactly
One guy painting the sistine chapel took 4 years? 5 years?
Meanwhile a modern game takes 300 people the same amount of time

>But the EU will know my address if I sign this!
What is this retardation? They're already printing your name and address on a sheet whenever it's time to vote.

>>713582262
Glory to Israel

>>713599053
>implying that isn't the point
His name and his entire brand is to try and pretend he's a big scary hacker man and not that he did q&a as a nepobaby and that his leet hacker coding skills was writing regex in python to ban people for bad speech.
His entire brand is intentionally trying to align with piracy so that he can subvert you.

>>713598947
yes. i purchased the product. let me keep my hard earned product. or allow me to keep it alive my self.

its not needless. you are just a corpo cock sucker who is ok getting fucked in the ass and told to pay more.

we can complain about gaas AND not being able to keep the product i purchased. if consoles were being made to die 1 year into its life and they just told you "whoops. you agreed to this, buy a new one wagie" you are damn certain regulation would happen. i cant fathom why consumers having the right not to be fucked melts your brain

>>713584467
Him being stubborn is literally how he started most of his dramas

>>713581092
It's still insane that this shit stain of a human singlehandedly used his algogrifted ass to kill the movement and it's only picking up now because he was being a roach in wow.
I swear if I'm ever in the same room as him I am gonna punch him.

>>713598947
If you read it the game wouldn't affect something like WOW since the transaction is transparent that you are not paying for a perpetual licence, you pay x dollars and get Y time. A clear cut game service.

>>713599137
>reddit spacing
if you willingly pay money for aaa garbage then you deserve nothing.

>>713599137
>. if consoles were being made to die 1 year into its life and they just told you "whoops. you agreed to this, buy a new one wagie" you are damn certain regulation would happen
Lol no, ever heard of planned obsolescence? You still aren't making any arguments that aren't "I don't like it"

>>713598935
pretty much all EULA's state that the developer reserves the right to terminate a server without notice. Even if they say that they will terminate in three months and do it prematurely it's not a violation of law because it's up to them what to do with their private property and IP
Don't want live service games don't buy them and don't expect some communist legislation can ever be erected so retard bureaucrats who don't even play games can start penalizing game devs for not fulfilling gamer's lofty expectations.

I don't understand why the guy organizing this didn't reach out to big local European content creators and streamers. Most of the people in the EU DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH or don't cosume English media. Only nordfags do, that's why you have maps showing all the votes coming from those places.
If the retard talked to French, Spanish, Italian etc. content creators about this shit and asked them to publicize it then it would have worked months ago. It literally takes 5 minutes to reach out for people like that Sabaku faggot who has a massive following, that alone should deal with Italy.
The only English motherlanguage country in Europe is Britain and it's not even in the EU anymore LMAO, why can't Americans understand this?

>>713599019
That doesn't help your case anon

>>713582262
what? how is that a fucking communist agenda? aren't corporations the communists?

>>713598872
>fair use is a commie plot from the USSR, when art reaches its imaginary expiration date it should be gone for good, erased from the collective forever

>Surely Beethoven's family should be profiting from his music when it's played over the radio. They're owed a stipend for each download of his songs. Otherwise his works must be destroyed and forgotten or else Stalin will come back and breadlines will form.

The IQ on this website has dropped to middle-school level understanding and insight.

>>713599095
>one guy making textures for borderlands took 4 years? 5 years?
>Meanwhile to build San Pietro 800 people had to haul marble

>>713582262
In [BRAND] we trust

>>713581092
damn, guess nobody ever deserves to play this game if its not with a gorillion players. truly a sound argument.

>Don't buy DLCs if you don't support it
>Don't buy DLCs
>Become common place in the modern era.

>Don't buy lootboxes if you don't support it
>Don't buy lootboxes
>Become common place until the EU did their thing, now only really existing in mobile games or skinner boxes

>Don't buy GAAS slop if you don't want it to be common place
>Don't buy GAAS slop
>...
Free market is worthless if consumers don't make informed purchases on their products. The last 10 years of gaming has proven to me that popularity != better products.

>>713599160
Well the campaign is about telling developers that they need to make their games "live forever" rather than just communicating their pricing plan
Which i'm pretty sure they're alreadty required to do anyway

>>713599183
I deserve VENGEANCE

>>713599237
Are we talking about the painting of the chapel or the construction of the chapel itself? Because the construction workers were definitely paid for their work

>>713599207
He did, no one responded. He asked his own EU audience to get him names of eurotubers... none responded.

>>713599207
Because Ross can't speak those languages and he even admits he is bad at this

>>713599207
Yeah he completely ruined it by not preparing a big list and just sending them an email.
There's thousands of European YouTubers that have thousands of subscribers who play old video games, play emulated games and he didn't speak to them.

>>713599207
Why didn't you reach out to them then?

Ross is literally the good guy.

>>713599206
but its for ANY game. not just live service or AAA slop. again guys really just cant fathom OWNERSHIP of your games

>>713599301
so was Michelangelo

>>713594424
>>713595156
We have fully digitized national ID system here, don't do this you fucking retards, it'll be disregarded and ruin the whole petition.

>>713585601
Status quo are being changed since 2020.

>>713599219
Is that so? Can you elaborate?

>Ross is literally the good guy.

>>713599095
a lot of gamedevs are lazy retards to be desu
i do assets/anims and can generally crack out something like a fully meshed/textured/animated weapon in a day, stuff that doesn't need animating i can do a few a day
modern AA devs literally can't even uv wrap/tile properly

>>713599207
He's an introvert and can't even speak polish while living in Poland and look at the guy he's clearly dumped Cha in character creation. He tried very hard but effort doesn't always lead to results. Ross wished some gigachad would have done it in his stead but all we've got is him.

>>713599195
thats not the same shit retard. we are talking about "what you agreed to" it would be a pr nightmare and regulation would stop it.

>>713599386
So whos' going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars comissioning devs to make AAA games?

>>713599382
I don't need it, games are like condoms, just play it and then toss it away.

>>713598649
How can you be on 4chan and be this tech illiterate? lol

>>713599427
sounds like a shitty life

>>713599413
Games don't make themselves

>>713599007
Not in 20 years. Enjoyed the mods more anyway.

>>713599253
It's the reasonable lifespan of a video game. Planned obsolescence is an abuse of the consumer.

>>713599382
you own every game you play if you pirate it. which you should be doing anyway.
not piratable? not worth playing.

>>713599423
A product breaking because it was designed to because the company wants you to buy a new one is EXACTLY the same shit, and it's legal and it already happens to nearly all your electronics

>eucucks

>>713599235
>it should be destroyed
Nothing is being "destroyed" you retarded reddit spacer, the IP and server code is still on someone's hard drive and they can do whatever the hell they want to it including deleting it if they so please. "the public" doesn't have the legal right to play Gundam Evolution perpetually because some crybaby didn't like that it went offline.

>>713599253
no, be playable past its end of life. let me own the product i paid for. allow ME to do the heavy lifting as long as you provide instructions or some form of tools to do so

Anyone else glad these retards weren't around in the PS2 era? I can load up the Ratchet Quadrilogy and have a blast whenever I want.

>>713582262
How the hell being able to own your games without corps taking them away communism? Contrarianism really did poison this site

>>713599552
>crusty old ass games

>>713599552
Ypou are literally ruining the industry by not buying TLOU2 remaster instead.

>>713599547
Well yeah now we're backpedalling from "games with limited lifespans are ok" to "you have to let me keep playing it forever"

>>713599229
A "communist" is anybody the corpos don't like, silly sheep.

>>713591429
No, all of this happened before the WoW classic hardcore event

>>713599586
>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T READ WAR OF THE WORLDS, THAT'S AN OLD BOOK
Suck a shotgun.

>>713596283
he will avoid the topic because he is friends with piratesoftware

>>713599547
You sound like a jew, trampling on people's rights for your own ends.

>>713599519
1 year? no you fucking mong. the low iq masses with be in a shit storm uproar over night. and it should not be legal, anti consumer anything should not be legal.

>>713599404
Go and look into how tetris was made, the communist government was not happy about it and took full ownership
Alexey only got what he deserved after the dissolution of the soviet union

>>713599586
>Someone watching Alien
>...

>Someone listening to Ozzy Osbourne
>...

>Someone playing R&C
>UM YIKES THAT GAME IS OLD, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!

>>713599638
>reading a book
are you a caveman or something

>>713580495 (OP)
I do find it strange why they waited this long until there was nearly no time left. Regardless, this is a good thing.

>>713599660
>he low iq masses with be in a shit storm uproar over night
Yes they will, but it's still legal, happens to everything else just not game consoles

>>713599368
I don't watch anything in my own language, I'm an exception in Italy, I never know who my friends are talking about when it comes to vidya, I barely know that Sabaku exists and I can't stand that faggots voice.
I also don't follow streamers so I wouldn't know where to find him.

>>713599160
But you still have to buy the base game and expansions. They're useless without the subscription, so then what are you paying for exactly when you buy them?

Anyways, if you merely exclude games that have a subscription, then simply every live service game would just charge $1/month or switch to free to play with microtransactions and be free from the law. Maybe they address this, I haven't truly read it since I'm not euro.

>>713599660
would*

>>713598658
>amount of work that goes into painting grand church
>a lifetime of dedication, practice, vigorous conviction, love of God and your country and beauty and desire to inspire harmonious feelings in your fellow man
>amount of work that goes into modernslop gamerpozware
>some fat, disgusting, ugly dyke spent 4-20 years (or more in some kek cases) at University on a "video games design course", learnt nothing, listened to nobody who knows anything (because they were white men) who hates beauty, grace and hard work sits down at a computer for 8 hours a day with latest starbucks, "vibe codes" transgender flag into game assets cobbled together by pajeets

>>713597074
and how many decent american games are there?

>>713596283
You mean the man named after a jewish prophet with a jewish german last name?
I wonder what his opinion is.

>>713582085
Chet responded? Is he crying again?
His failed L4D2 clone has 0 players

>>713599661
You said games can't exist under communism.
You were proven wrong (and I am pretty sure they had their own Pacman and Pong clones too).
Now take the L you little fudgepacker.

>>713599652
my rights outweigh the devs. nothing jewish about it. simple commerce

>>713596954
why is elex on this list

>>713599719
what an embarassing post
Michaelangelo was paid to paint it btw, he didn't even want to do it

>>713599586
i haven't bought a new game in a decade but i do have every console's entire library on my hdds and i just go through them one after another having a blast, seethe

>>713599610
projecting pirate tranny furry..

>>713597261
It's a common communist tactic to delve into semantics regarding what is and isn't private property

>>713599762
It didn't exist under communism anon
It was made under secrecy and then confiscated

>>713599768
That's not commerce, that's classism, the opressed gamer class trying to punch up at their opressors
It's the most Jewish lie ever constructed

>>713599609
some games like mmos are fine. yes. can't be expected to make them fuck with it like that. but yes. let ME play MY game that I PURCHASED.

>>713597261
>You are not allowed to buy shit with communism, you have to ask the government to provide it for you
But that's not true

>>713599852
You're not making any rational arguments, just what you feel

It was eCelebs that ruined them in the first place.

>>713599845
ok retard.

>>713599910
The idea that you're in opposition to the people who make the thing you like is the dumbest thing imaginable, just think about it for five seconds

>>713599768
>my rights outweigh the devs
They don't, your rights as the customer don't override ownership rights.
That's what makes you a jew, overstepping your boundaries and trampling on the rights of others just because you feel entitled to what they have.

>>713599791
>mentally deranged leftoid cope and headcanon
kek, it's good you and your kind don't breed :)

I expected some ragebait but half of this thread is just rage bait.

>>713599892
how is having ownership over what i buy a feeling? what is your rational argument vs basic consumer rights?

>>713599816
Wrong on both accounts.
Why are you lying like that? Or are you just plain retarded?
No wait, don't answer that, it was a rhetorical question.

>>713599875
Uh huh, boy are you in for a rude awakening

Piratesoftware is sitting at home seething over this by the way

>>713599954
Your idea of ownership is a feeling. It's ok for MMOs to do it, but not ok for other games to do it. Why not?

>>713599954
>how is having ownership over what i buy a feeling
Because you felt you owned it but the reality is that you don't.

>>713581092
If you eat at a trillion star Michelin restaurant you'll likely never eat another meal as good ever again so you might as well stop eating afterwards.

>>713599953
BUSSIN CRASHOUT MY MOM IS KINDA HOMELESS NO CAP SKIBIDI GYATT RIZZLER

>>713599946
yes they do you mong. i bought the game. i own that copy and should be allowed to play it till the sun blows up. how is purchasing a game me stepping over what someone has?

>>713599958
>Wrong on both accounts.
wrong on no accounts

>>713599946
The devs don't retain any rights over sold products.
It's called the "first sale doctrine".

>>713598872
>Anything other than this is just plain communism and a violation of the free market

>>713600039
You bought a license to a game
What does that license mean? It might mean you can play it forever, it might mean you can play it for 20 dollars a month, it might mean that you can play it until the devs decide to turn it off

>>713596631
Because companies keep moving to places with no worker rights

>>713600005
but i do. no eula or corpo bootlicker can tell me other wise.

>>713599996
Because MMOs state in bold letters $XX for YY days of access right there before you click anything.

>>713599540
>the IP and server code is still on someone's hard drive
The publisher. The company with legal rights on a piece of paper. Not the creator.

>they can do whatever the hell they want to it
Nothing at all. They are motivated by profit, not the upholding of art and experiences for preservation.

>"the public" doesn't have the legal right to play (old online games)
Yes they do. If they paid for it and are willing to put in the effort to upkeep it, they have every right to keep playing.
You're still essentially arguing for the corporate ownership of artwork in perpetuity throughout the universe.

It is no more communism than looking at a renaissance art book in the library is stealing money from the Louvre

>>713600115
So if live service games told you when their service will end that would be ok?

>>713599704
I see, it is a similar case for me even I'm not European. In any case, you can just go visit their channels (should be easy after a quick google search) and if you don't know anyone just throwing a videogames name with some other native words should reveal other channels where you could just ask if they heard about the initiative. Or ask your friends to do it.

>>713600043
Oh, you really do have no arguments. Very well, I win.
Now go kys you fucking waste of life.

>did you just say "Burger King" on the McSidewalk???
>*pulls out pistol*
>*shoots you in the head*

>>713600097
Wuh ooooh

>>713600175
That is precisely the SKG argument. If you don't even know the first thing, what brought you to this thread?

Totally not an industry plant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1CCc_DClY

>>713600048
>first sale doctrine
Anon, first sale doctrine means that they DO retain rights but not your ability to sell or give away your copy.

>>713600217
>please don't educate me on what I'm actually paying for, my feelings matter more
what is this retardation

>>713597641
Skysaga infinite isles.

>>713600114
EULA's have nothing to do with this.

>>713600243
>That is precisely the SKG argument.
No the SKG argument is forcing developers to provide games an "end of life plan", not simply telling you that the service will end

>>713599996
if i buy a game that has a tacked on mp mode but also a single player mode. and they take the servers down while also taking down sp. thats bullshit and i have my rights to keep playing the game i bought.
if sea of theives dies one day and i bought it i should have the right to be able to make my own server and play. or at the very least a local copy for lan.
if an indie game for some god unknown reason dieced its server based and once its gone its dead. i have my rights as the consumer and purchaser to keep playing that game. devs dont need to support it.
would it be cool mmos can be made to play on my time? yes. wow did it. it can be done. but i dont expect mmos to have to do it.

>>713581092
>SKG won't keep my OC emporium afloat so SKG doesn't work for period! nevermind that there were entire sites dedicated to minecraft modding with countless community mods, and that's what made the game so successful
hypocrisy at its finest

>>713600167
>creators can't be publishers and creators would do this anyway
No true scotsman fallacy
>the public have a legal right to everything ever made
NEWSFLASH: It's not illegal to reverse engineer a game and build your own private server you fucking dumbass and you can't just expect a dev to do this for you because "I don't like it"

>>713600195
You made no argument other than "nuh uh"
>Now go kys you fucking waste of life.
perhaps you should take your own advice, you'll get to your ideology quicker that way

>>713600276
Back in the day this 'ackshually' shit with licences was ackshually true and yet we still got copies of games that would function until heat death that players could run themselves

Why should we be fine with that standard going away and not resist it anyway we can

>>713600276
You have to understand the mind of the jew anon, they don't want to accept that they're wrong or that other non-Jews know more.

>>713600097
say its a rental. not buying. if they can just take it away on a whim, its a rental.

>>713600260
Why would the prestigious Thor, former Blizzard CEO and NSA director, ever bring himself down from his throne to talk to a mere peasant?

How we feeling about pussy rape bros?

>>713600334
>i have my rights
No you don't actually have any rights to do that

I have literally never read a license agreement in my life because where I live they are toilet paper.

Hm, that's weird, it says "Buy". Not "Lease", not "Rent", not "License"...

>>713600373
If you really wanted to resist it you wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
All this initiative does is convince retards like you that not thinking about your purchases first is the best thing to do.

>>713600114
the eula stipualtes they can take it away at anytime. but won't give me a date when. it does matter. skg can and should get that shit removed from the eula.

>>713600373
>we still got copies of games that would function until heat death that players could run themselves
None of the games I bought in the 90s and 2000s still work

>>713600428
It's almost as if you're buying the license or something.

>>713600501
No, it clearly says "Stellar Blade"

>>713600428
SEK? more like SEX!

>>713600440
When corpos don't like the way something is, they lobby and pressure governments until they get laws changed and have everything their way.

When we don't like it, apparently we just have to get over it? Nah.

>>713600551
>other people doing bad things means I can do it too

>>713600353
but the argument is to LET me do it. either provide instructions or a toolset. LET THE CONSUMER do the work.

>>713600551
Yes, you get over it, SKGtroon. You'll survive.

>>713600458
lie

SKG may have failed, but it was worth it for thur's humiliation ritual.

>>713599810
lmao
As if saying I'm "projecting" means anything with how much you morons toss the word around these days.

>>713600574
>LET THE CONSUMER do the work.
You're forcing the developer to give you the tools to make it possible

>>713596815
I've been starting at this and there's a steady stream of a new signature every 2-5 seconds. I wonder when it'll stop.

>>713600458
take care of your shit you retard

>>713600571
Getting laws changed is bad? They should all be written in stone and we should be using the same ones as when the nation founded?

>>713600571
>>713600591
They do it for free

>>713600551
Cooperation brings society forward and is the reason we live in this age. Without them we would still be in pre ww2 era.

>>713600629
Good. Same reason why I fully support right to repair, sci-hub and other similar initiatives.

>>713600614
The discs no longer read

>>713600629
I also force the developer to pay their employees, provide sick days, and so on

>>713600551
>corpos
Can you retards stop talking like reddit?

>>713600571
yes. the moment you play their own game, they shit themselves. always be ahead of corpos

>>713600674
lie

>>713599790
it's German made

>>713600551
>they lobby and pressure governments until they get laws changed and have everything their way.
Exactly so you hit them where it hurts where no government can intervene, their pockets.

>>713600643
Pointless regulation over things you don't like is bad

>>713600708
yes and it's a dogshit game

>>713600415
come and stop me i guess?

>>713600715
>hit their pockets with collective action.
>But the people are retarded
Which is why we have representatives

>>713600731
it's good, i liked it

>>713600706
They no longer worked back in the 2000s when I actually had a CD drive, and they were less than 10 years old
You'd know this if you weren't a fucking kid

NEW BREAD:

>>713600664

>>713600664

>>713600664

>>713600715
>Le wallet voting

>>713580495 (OP)
you guys are going to be surprised when there is less games released by raising the bar and risk in general
literally asking for the government to ass fuck you, except in this case its going to affect everyone, not just the players screwed by the corpo

>>713600771
lie

>>713600629
>ignores instructions part
ah i see. pure retardium

>>713600771
I have CDs older than you that still read without fault nor scratches.

>>713600735
Stop you from doing what? The owners of the game stop you from playing it
Imagine saying "I have my rights" when you're just talking about your feelings, embarrassing

>>713600750
And yet we didn't need a representative to get people to not buy the switch 2 game keys.
I guess mainland Europeans can't think for themselves.

>>713600353
>It's not illegal to reverse engineer a game and build your own private server
It's not worth the effort if you're served a cease and desist from a corporate lawyer that could bankrupt you in spite of the legality.

What Vimm's lair was doing was not illegal in the slightest, in fact it's within our rights to keep the data for games we paid for so long as we maintain ownership of the original. Yet Nintendo used threats to take it down because the legal battle just wouldn't be worth it for a free site meant for enthusiasts.

There should be no legal battle whatsoever. Someone claiming legal ownership of a service that has been defunct for ten years should have no legal power over it anymore than someone has legal power over Twinkle Twinkle Little Star. If you aren't currently engaged in profiting from a service and show no intent to do so, there's no reason to attack anyone trying to preserve it. That is what needs to stop.

>>713600715
you still think voting with your wallet works,

>>713600643
your mom told me she dislikes you but she keeps you around at least

>>713600825
That still takes work dumbass

>>713600353
>NEWSFLASH: It's not illegal to reverse engineer a game and build your own private server you fucking dumbass and you can't just expect a dev to do this for you because "I don't like it"
Nintendo

>>713600810
Yeah I'm sure EA will decide to not make and sell their squillion dollar games knowing they have to take the tiny extra effort to make sure they haven't timebombed the games

>>713600735
4 u

>>713600878
you have to be 18 to post here

>>713600812
Might come as a surprise to you but physical media degrades

>>713600830
So?

>>713600832
It's kind of like the whole Karen stereotype isn't it.

Whats Dmans input on this?

>>713600883
wont someone PLLLLLLLLLLEASE think of the devs! they might have to do actual WORK!

>>713599435
that's a valid concern. if you want to put your email on every website on earth go ahead

>>713600871
We have multiple instances of it happening successfully so you tell me.

>>713600993
Imagine thinking you should be able to force people to do work

>>713600935
>So?
You're a monkey.
>>713600883
>That still takes work dumbass
So does putting a cookie banner because you absolutely must sell my data.

>>713600915
its yet another thing they will have to consider when they plan the game and what they will have to do to offset the costs coming from supporting the game when its no longer profitable
what about the indies making games? you dont know what kind of shit the EU will do

>>713601035
I know that the newest monster hunter is a complete mess yet broke sales records, and the next monster hunter game is going to be the same

>>713601045
They installed the timebomb in their products in the first place, if they think its too much work to defuse before it goes off then they shouldn't plant it there in the first place

>>713600871
It does work, just because what you voted for lost doesn't mean it's not working

>>713601085
Unfortunately swedes don't actually have the capacity for rational thought.

>>713597641
Tabula Rasa and Auto Assault
Tabula Rasa was shut down by NCsoft while Garriot was in space so he didn't know until he came back down to earth a month later, he sued and won

>>713601085
Oh yes dude all the indie games with built in dependencies on the server farms THEY have in the basements of THEIR headquarter offices.

>>713601118
No it's not a lot of work, but you're still asking people to do work on your behalf just out of a sense of entitlement and nothing else

>>713601112
>yet broke sales records,
It sold less than the two previous games and it's currently bleeding players. Not to mention the tides are also turning on the reviews because the most recent patch ruined the performance.
So yeah, it clearly works.

>>713582262
*slurp slurp slurp* I just LOVE licking the oligarch warlord capitalist boot

>>713601189
my entitelment is my purchase. dont like it? dont make it.

>>713601189
>but you're still asking people to do work on your behalf
Exactly like every fucking law on the books you disingenuous piece of liquid filth

>>713601279
you're entitled to what you bought, nothing more

>>713601316
I am entitled by law to a working product or a full refund.

>>713601316
and what i bought demands extra work on behalf of the free market. dont like it? dont make it

>>713601285
whats your point?

>>713601189
No to undo the mess they made with their defective product that they went out of their way to MAKE defective. The sense of entitlement comes from having paid them money for a working product, lot of you tards always want to ignore that the consumer actually IS entitled to shit.

Do you grumble when you hear about a company announcing a recall of a product? 'Ugh how awful that they be FORCED by regulations to do extra work for nothing, this is truly communism'

>>713601217
it's going to outsell it

>>713601358
Yeah, and the product works exactly as intended. That's why we didn't buy it.

>>713581092
So... because the game was designed for and intended for a larger scale userbase... I should not be allowed to play it at my LAN party and have fun with my buds with it?
Because...?

>>713601367
>on behalf of the free market
you mean on behalf of your law you made up

>>713601005
How about only the EU website, retard?

>>713601387
Sales have stagnated and it doesn't have the double dipping benefit World did.
It's unlikely.

>>713601432
corect. the free market. glad we could agree

>>713601417
>as intended.
AS ADVERTISED

>>713601386
You're entilted to what you paid for, nothing more

>>713601476
They told us about the drm day one.
It's working as advertised.

>>713601482
I paid for you to toss my salad. Get to work.

>>713601467
That's a regulated market, not a free market

>>713601519
drm is not the same as "i turn it off when i wish. but also you can't know till it happens"

>>713601186
but its yet another thing they will have to think about and will limit the kinds of games they can put out
next regulation may sound trivial as well, but when all these future and past trivial regulations come together its going to suffocate everyone

>>713601531
The really free market listens to threats of violence

>>713601189
this

>>713601531
correct anon. why must i repeat myself? we clearly agree its a free market that favors the consumer.

>>713601465
even if it doesn't outsell worlds (I think it will) it was still a massive success and the next monster hunter won't be better optimized because they can easily get away with it, just like every other dev can

>>713592131
>I am ancient enough to remember that "a Jew" in the early internet was an euphemism for the rich elite and and the greedy and not necessarily tied to one's ethnicity.
This is true. But I have since then understood that the reason people ever even used it ironically to begin with, was because the meme was pushed by unironic antisemites using it ironically with the intent that if they kept saying it ironically then people would eventually say it unironically. And that's exactly what happened.
So I can't exactly be surprised.

>>713601612
>we clearly agree its a free market that favors the consumer.
no, a free market doesn't pit consumers against producers

>>713601551
That's exactly what it is.

>>713601482
Yeah I paid for a working game, and should go without saying I expect it to not have a timebomb hidden in it.

Hopefully we get more laws to stop this mindset that you can just write 'oh um actually what you're buying isnt really what you're buying LOL deal with it' in some document you can't even see before handing over your cash. I don't know why anyone seriously sides in favor of this bullshit, or what kind of liberties they imagine are being lost by losing the ability to do that.

>>713601673
that's what the current market is. in favor of the producer. which is not free. glad we agree

>>713601712
I'm in favor of you knowing exactly what you're buying, not FORCING people to make what you want
Big difference

>>713601712
>Yeah I paid for a working game, and should go without saying I expect it to not have a timebomb hidden in it.
You paid for a game with DRM that turned it into a time bomb. Everyone knew that from day one which is why the game flopped in the first place.
If you bought it then that's on you.

>>713601695
no its not you liquid brown stain in my undies

>>713601564
Oh just think about how these devs creativity will be SHACKLED by not being able to design their games to eventually become permanently unplayable
I think we can manage without that kind of creativity.

>>713601736
I don't agree on that at all you dimwit

>>713601808
No wonder you bought a game with DRM in it if you can't wipe your ass.

>>713601782
so give me a refund

>>713601764
No one's forced, the transaction is still free and open.
Just no timebombs. You're legit in favor of fine print wankery.

>>713601764
>I'm in favor of you knowing exactly what you're buying
As is the initiative. It has been stated several times:
Either don't build in a remote shutdown
Or visibly state a "use by" date.
Or provide a means for the customers to self-host after you decide to stop supporting it.

>>713601870
You don't get a refund because it's working as intended.

>>713601835
glad we agree.kmsx0

>>713601910
And which option do you think third parties will go for?

>>713601910
>As is the initiative.
No, it wants to force developers to work in a certain way

>>713601945
if its working as intended. it needs reform and broken down and built up diffrently. in favor of the consumer

>>713602001
Read it again faggot.

>>713582262
>communism is when government does stuff!
>also I fear the government but I have no qualms about letting corporations with money and power above entire nations to act without limitations or restrictions
Sure bro.

>>713601947
Does pretending I agree with you satisfy your monkey brain somehow?

>>713601994
and thankfully sales will suffer. stopping such horrid practices

>>713601994
You can't blame a subcontractor for something you are responsible for you subcontracted them.

>>713601736
a free market isn't just for buyers you 80 IQ retard

>>713602051
anon its ok. ik it was hard for you to come your senses

>>713602052
>>713602074
You're not answering the question.
In any case the answer is the only one that benefits them and that's dates and they'll slide it into the EULA that no one reads and nothing will change because the issue was always people like you not doing the research before you buy and falling for FOMO practices.

>>713602026
Oh sorry, you actually want developers to change how they work, not simply inform you of what you're buying

>>713602026
I don't think you read it

>>713602096
correct. but its best when its in their favor vs the producers

>>713602165
i cant read the eula before i buy it. my lawyer can read all the legal you fag,

>>713602227
It specifically outlines several exceptions.
>>713602165
>In any case the answer is the only one that benefits them and that's dates and they'll slide it into the EULA that no one reads
Why are you so dense as to think "sliding the date into the eula" would be permissible?

>>713602298
The EULA for a game is always posted online. You can most certainly read it before you buy it.

>>713602232
that's a ridiculous argument. There's no logical end to the concept of consumer rights. This initiative boils down to "my money entitles me to force you into indentured servitude because I don't like the fact that you shut down a game which required the use of your own private property"

>>713602374
>This initiative boils down to
Gargle my fat sack. You didn't read it.

>>713602374
>There's no logical end to the concept of consumer rights.
Yes there is. Consumer rights are ridiculously small in scope compared to the rights of the owner.

>>713595980
I think his brain melted from leaving valve to make that shitty L4D clone.

Not one single person defending SKG would pass the breakfast test

>>713602346
it's very specific about developers having to work a certain way under threat of punishment