>https://x.com/Genki_JPN/status/1937810761008730422

The humiliation ritual for Yoshi-P never ends.

>>713603286 (OP)
toriyama's autism with ff13 really convinced square that linear turn based games weren't viable anymore lmao.

>>713603286 (OP)

>>713603393
Now FF13 is more popular and better liked than 15 and 16

>>713603496
13 at least had great art and music, had the golden age Final Fantasy imaginativeness. 16 was good but just isn't a Final Fantasy game. Stranger of Paradise is unironically more qualified to be a mainline entry in the series.

>>713603286 (OP)
There's a thread with literally the same fucking image up right now

>>713603393
Not to mention their obsession with Stagger. Both VIIR and XVI having it is fucking insane.

>>713603286 (OP)
Fucking dumb assholes. It took a shareholder to tell them what to do what a fucking joke.
As if they didn't have an old-time audience to listen to. Fucking retards holy fuck.
I hope Square Enix fucking dies a quick death fuck them.
Shareholders being your priority like they're the ones who are going to make up your sales numbers. God damn FUCK SQUARE ENIX HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE FUCK.

>>713603286 (OP)
>>says they value turn-based games
>tries to get rid of it

>>713603846
holy shit someone better tell the CEO of 4chan

>>713603393
Isn't ff13's battle system literally just ATB with job switching?

>>713603286 (OP)
FF7R died so FFXR could live

>>713603863
Stagger is just a good mechanic.
Its a reward for hyper aggression or proper weakness matching

>>713604169
You don't switch jobs you switch roles. It's honestly not as bad as people think. It filters most because it takes a while to really pick up and open its doors to more customization but yeah I think it's a solid battle system just not better than turn-based combat we've seen in any title before it.

Oh my science is that a literally who tranny on twitter!!!!!?

>>713603794
What I'd give for sop 2

>>713604205
No its boring

>>713604169
The system itself isn't the problem. The game giving you an auto battle button and 99% of fights being better experienced by hitting auto and swapping roles as needed is the actual issue. Completely ass mob design, same problem 10 had.

>>713603286 (OP)
>Squeanix learning the wrong lessons again
Ah shit here we go again

They will never bring him back...
>Has one fucking flop of a movie
>Gets ousted
>SE has multiple experimental failures since then

>>713603286 (OP)
I'll believe it when i see it.

>>713605846
>Ah shit here we go again
Here comes Yoship taking the bare fucking minimum of what makes a certain game good and somehow makes it bland.

>>713603286 (OP)
Finally games will be good again....

>>713603286 (OP)
Stupid boomers always taking the wrong lessons from everything. Turn based combat is boring, expedition 33 succeeded in spite of its boring combat not because of it. Stop writing shitty stories and stop putting them in dull, boring settings we've seen a million times before and you will sell a shit tonne of copies

>>713603286 (OP)
even if they make FF turn based again, i don't think people will buy it at 70$

>>713605898
They drove off far more than just Sakaguchi. A ton of their best talent leaked out by 2006.

>>713606062
I will if it doesn't look like shit

>>713606090
Oh yeah I forgot about that.
>Nobuo goes freelance but works with Sakaguchi on the side
>Yoko Shimomura goes freelance
>Yusuke Naora goes freelance teaching art
>Matsuno leaves
>Akihiko Yoshida goes freelance and teaches art classes in his style
>Tabata goes freelance making game engines
>Yoko Taro goes freelance (I think)
>Masashi Hamauzu goes freelance but finally gets noticed for his musical work (it only took 15+ fucking years)

Uhhh that's all I know off the top of my head

>>713606090
with all the kusoge they put out, DQ in dev hell
can tell they bleed talent like crazy over the years, its like nobody inside knows what to do with their IP anymore, the company keep flip flop around ideas lacking actual vision and directions

>>713606421
Even before that. Vanpool, FuRuYu, Alpha Dream, MonolithSoft, Skip, there's shitloads of dev studios whose backstory is "Square fucked me, so I made my own studio."

Fucking AlphaDream was founded by the company's *ex-president* after a hostile takeover by bankers. Seriously.

>>713606421
after nier automata success for some reason yoko taro keep shitting out gacha slop
its so weird

>>713606436
Don't forget Mitsuda leaving to make Koudelka. Or Brownie Brown being ex-Mana devs. They churned through pretty much everyone pre-FF7 who wasn't a big part of FF7 and burned bridges hard.

>>713606874
Money, plus no ball and chain of unending AAA sequel hell.

>>713606880
Meant for
>>713606772

>>713606946
His games were more like AA, but I have to say Nier: Automata (if other developers didn't have to beg for it to be made) might be his 1st AAA title.

>>713603286 (OP)
Can't wait for them to make Final Fantasy 17 turn based and have it sell at most 20% of what 16 and Rebirth did.
16 and Rebirth flopped not because they were not turn based or PS exlusive launch or whatever else dumb cope people use. They flopped because most peoply don't give a shit about Final Fantasy anymore. Turning them into action games was actually a smart move cause they managed to tap somewhat into the souls-playing zoomer demographic.

>>713607075
If he made console sequels they would be forced into AAA hell.

>>713607149
If they put FF17 on Switch 2 and potentially Switch it'll be guaranteed to sell at least 3million from Japan alone.

Square need to stop pantomiming as Sony 1st party.

The issue with SE isn't the genre of the games they're making. They desperately need new management. Fresh blood.
Kick out all of the old guard and try again from scratch.
FF16 didn't fail because it wasn't turn based, it failed because it was trend chasing trash. SE returning to turn based games after e33's success is just more proof of this.

>spend years and years saying turn based never sells
>get btfo by a bunch of Frenchman so badly that for the first time in years SE is forced to admit that actual old school turn based jrpgs can in fact sell

They will never go back to traditional turn-based for the mainlines because they are treating turn-based games a thing for gamer boomers with the remakes or for the kidz with the 2D-3D shit for Nintendo.
But even if they did, they'll still fail because they don't get that what makes Exp 33 combat good are the parries, and they'll never aim for that.

>>713603286 (OP)
Turd based needs to die for good

>>713605898
They literally brought him back last year and no one bought his game

>>713607491
SE never stopped making turn based games

>>713608050
Lol

>>713608275
ouch

>>713607802
>turn based games are only good if they're not actually turn based but parryslop

>>713603794
Jack's game was great, I mean, maybe not perfect but I actually had fun when playing it.

>>713608275
>squeenix should make more turn-baACK

>>713603286 (OP)
>lolcowlizers translating japanese kino properly
theyll never make a e33-like

>>713608000
Checked but turn based is love, turn based is life and there's nothing you can do about it, they're even patching games with turn-based like Pillars of Eternity years after the fact to try and revitalize them. Real time is for ARPGs.

>>713607802
>They will never go back to traditional turn-based for the mainlines because they are treating turn-based games a thing for gamer boomers with the remakes or for the kidz with the 2D-3D shit for Nintendo.

It is tragicomic how Square-Enix still does not want to accept that Final Fantasy is inherently an IP for 30+ year olds. Kids don't give a fuck about Final Fantasy, no matter how much they try to chase whatever trends the old geezers running SE think is currently popular among the 15-25 year olds. That age demographic does not give a fuck about Final Fantasy.

>>713608000
No, every game needs to be turn-BASED.

>>713608050
They didn't "Bring him back" he approached yoshitpiss simply for a PC port of Fantasian.

GYATT

>>713609471

>>713607491
Actually, FF16 failed because it wasn't turned based. Everything else about the game had the making of a great classic FF game. All of its issues stem from not being an RPG.

>>713604205
Stagger separates winning the battle and the enemy dying. As such the player's euphoria shot is diluted. Stagger is thus objectively bad.

>>713603286 (OP)
BG3 is turn based and sold more than XV, FF7R and XVI combined in less than two years. Do japs just completely block out all RPGs from their mind if they don't have JRPG style turn based combat? I don't want Square to go back to archaic and simplistic 80s turn based combat thinking that's the solution to their problems. There are so many great turn based TRPGs and CRPGs that they could borrow ideas for gameplay and combat from, but they'll probably just stick to the same old shit, add some shallow shtick to it and call it a day. The state of JRPGs is really pathetic. It's no wonder they lost all their prominence in the last twenty years. I don't expect them to be as complex as crpgs, but they hardly evolved in the last 40 years at all. Lazy cunts.

>>713603794
Between 13, 16 and SoP, I would describe 16 as being the most final fantasy-like and SoP being the least final fantasy like from a purely aeathetic/story perspective. SoP is Dissidiaslop.

>>713603286 (OP)
Action Kingdom Hearts fags now coping. I guess action games don't sell either unless its ELDEN RANG or some soulless copypaste like Black Myth Wukong

>SE making a bunch of non FF turn based jrpgs
>I sleep
If turn based is so great, how come you never talk about those games?

ff16 didnt fail because of its combat system and e33 didnt succeed because of its combat system

SE should stop being trannies instead.

>>713603286 (OP)

>>713610047
Sagabro... just give it up.

>>713609650
NTA, but I disagree. I think there are problems with FFXVI that would not be solved by being turn-based. The equipment in the game is nothing but linear upgrades. There are no real choices, it's just bigger number = better. So why have that system at all? Outside of that, while the game has great characters (for the most part), the story falls apart due to the ayyylmaos. I don't know why they thought it would be a good idea to go with an antagonist with zero charisma, given that this was the same team that found such success with Emet Selch. Could you imagine a version of FFVII without Sephiroth or weird Jenova creatures, but instead just has some generic alien guys with no personality?

It really annoys me, because I like many of the characters. Clive and Jill in particular.

>>713606062
I will pay 80 dollars and get a PS5 if the next FF is turn based and they get rid of all that Kingdom Hearts nomura slop. Just have Nomura design the characters. Thats all hes good for

>>713606062
I would if it was an actual Final Fantasy. If the game doesn't allow me to go take a piss while i choose my attack from a menu, don't even bother.

>>713610134
>ff16 didnt fail because of its combat system

Yes it did. It failed because it wasn't an RPG and the decision to not be an RPG is the root of any of the game's problems.

And E33 succeeded because it is classic Final Fantasy game in scope without compromising, so in a way it is about the combat system, even though I personally would rank its turn based combat poorly.

>>713603794
13 would be better as action, imagine just slicing up shit with Lightning no annoying screen distorting to a fight

>>713610275
>I will pay 80 dollars and get a PS5
Anon, the next mainline FF wouldn't be on the PS5, it would be on the PS6 or PS7, if such things even release. These shitheads don't know how to make games in a timely manner.

>>713610160
Sad bro. No wonder they can't get employment and companies don't like hiring them. If they played turn based games, they'd actually be smart

>>713608275
>main character looks even gayer than 9s

>>713610231
Ultima is a classic FF style bringer of chaos to a T. Half of them are ayylamaos too. He'd fit in with Zeromus and Kuja.

I also like how petty and vindictive he is around Clive despite trying to come across as above it all.

>>713610134
LMFAO. E33 only succeded because fans wanted to dunk on FF. If FF was still making traditional based games, then E33 would feel less special and appealing

>>713609742
Really Square should have been raked across the coals since FFXV went action RPG.

Pokemon has been BTFO of FF since 1996 as a turn based RPG. Squares delusions of FF needing to be an action game was always a load of bollocks because they obviously weren't hitting the ceiling of what a turn based RPG could sell so there was always room for growth. You don't need Clair Obscur selling 3million copies to know that turn based RPGs can sell when Pokemon sold nearly 27million twice on one system.

>>713610529
>Ultima is a classic FF style bringer of chaos to a T. Half of them are ayylamaos too. He'd fit in with Zeromus and Kuja.
It doesn't work in a modern story, especially not one this focused on character drama.

Dragon Quest 12 development cycle must be getting rebooted.

>>713610438
Zidane was a chad, the fuck you talking about.

>>713603286 (OP)
They won’t do shit and you will still get action slop. Prove me wrong

>>713603286 (OP)
>Yoshida pushed the anti-turn based narrative the moment he got a modicum of power
>DT did so bad he lost said power
>E33 comes out and btfo'd his narrative
>SE can finally call him a retard and go back to making kino
XVII will be turn based

>>713610945
I meant 9S from Automata should have clarified lol

>>713610134
XVI has a great story but the DMC combat doesn't fit at all. Hell 7R's combat feels better than it

>>713605793
The system is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what makes JRPGs good. The entire game is basically "how not to make an RPG". Needing to build stagger and have a tank spam taunts doesn't make the combat any more engaging. It's just busy work that they think makes you think you're doing more. Turn economy is an important part battles themselves, but so is actual resource management in AND outside of battle. FF13 entirely misses the point because you get fully healed after every battle and the entire game is a single straight line with no dungeons and no puzzles so there's never any attrition or resource management. Paradigm shifting is just a shitter, worse version of character switching and it's integration into the game is fucking retarded. Not just because you spend 90% of the game with only 2 characters to control, but because literally every time there's a cutscene or chapter change or POV switch THE GAME RESETS YOUR PARADIGMS SO YOU HAVE TO GO AND SET THEM ALL FUCKING BACK UP AGAIN. I half believe this was even intentional because every part of this shit ass game is basically "oh shit we need to pad time out since we have no idea how to actually make a game" double spaced last minute school assignment crap. Fuck I hate that dogshit game.

>>713610645
>If FF was still making traditional based games, then E33 would feel less special and appealing
>If Square Enix covered this in demand niche then the niche product that came out to fill the gap Square Enix left wouldnt have been popular!
True, but they didnt want to do that with their flagship franchise.

>>713610164
The RS2 remake actually sold well. Like selling about 100k on it's first week.

rebirths combat system is way too good to suddenly pivot back to turnbased

Would FF7 remake have sold better if it was turn base?

>>713610134
I somewhat agree. I haven't played E33 so I can't speak for it but FFXVI had far more problems than just the combat.
If SquareEnix had been responsible for creating Elden Ring, but called Final Fantasy XVII and replace a few names with FF adjacent names, would it have flopped even if it was the same game? Probably not but as much as SE keeps trying to find a new audience that doesn't give a shit that they were the turn-based RPG company, they haven't really managed that.

>>713611618
It would have sold better if it wasn't locked to the PlayStation and was multiplat from the get go

>>713611618
no because 7s massive sales drop from remake to rebirth was caused by console exclusivity and story rape

>>713611618
Presumably it would've still been split into 3 parts so no. Most companies learned like 10 years ago that episodic gaming results in diminishing results as less and less people buy the next one.

>>713611618
Doubt it. It was mostly a stupid idea to stretch a single game out over 12 years. Not only forcing people to jump to new hardware inbetween but also taking risks with the story, leaving the opportunity for people to ditch it midway or simply lose interest over time.

>>713603286 (OP)
You weebs better say merci

>>713611539
When 2 of the past 3 GOTY are turn based games and rakes millions of sales, it's time for SE reevaluate their turn based taboo with FF.
What else they can do? Burn more money?

>>713603286 (OP)
If this were true, why won't Octopath and Bravely sell more?

>>713611618
No
The combat in 7r is much better

>>713611618
No. There are many complaints about Rebirth, but not too many people complain about the gameplay itself outside of complete purists. The problems extend to
>Long development times, its going to take 7-10 years to get the full "story"
>Absolutely wacky plot threads involving Zack, who shouldnt have ever been shown. The start of rebirth is absurd and this is from someone who isnt a complete purist dickweed.
>Typical sales dropoff from game 1 to game 2, a lot of people dont even FINISH the games they buy, so why would they buy the sequel?
>people waiting to play the full game
>people dropping off due to not liking how the story/characters are handled.
>genuinely poor pacing

>>713608275
I bought the game for the Switch. Hopefully more people played it on consoles than on PC if these are the PC numbers.
But that's sad. Fantasian is legitimately splendid and genuinely feels like Final Fantasy still unlike modern Final Fantasy.

>>713611906
bg3 turnbased system cannot even be compared to jrpg turnbased

>Kids hate turn based games
>Just ignore Mario, Pokemon, Persona, and several other hit series. And also this random ass game that came from nowhere.
I guess they're tired of looking like clowns.

>>713611351
>XVI has a great story
No the hell it doesn't.
The prologue grabs you in, but then it crashes and burns after Garuda.
Time skips Clive's life as a "slave" and Jill and Dog are thrown at you.
Not just that but the shitton amount of cutscenes for shit that doesn't matter grated me.

>>713608275
>Developed for mobile first
Told me all I needed to know

>>713612113
If you liked Final Fantasy and you aren't playing Fantasian, then you're missing out.

The last good FF game Square made was FFX back in 2001, when they were still Squaresoft.

>>713603286 (OP)
>The humiliation ritual for Yoshi-P never ends
Good. Hack piece of dogshit developer.
I feel so fucking burnt by FFXVI. Story starts amazing and then it devolves into nothing but cliché SLOP by the end. Absolute ragpull

>>713603286 (OP)
And just like that, my years of daily pro-action and anti-turn based combat shitposts go up in smoke. At least I'll always have my precious anti-tendie spam.

>>713612231
The MC design does the game no favors what-so-ever. You could have had any of these other characters be the MC

>>713612030
The point is the opposition to action combat. The combat slow the game to a stand still and the player has time to make a choice. The opposite direction of new FFs games.

>>713603286 (OP)
Absolute Barry VICTORY

>>713604359
Jack is the best FF protag and I'm not even joking

>>713603393
Metaphor, the follow up to Persona 5 in all but name, did 2m finally after nearing a year. FF16 did more than that in 3 days.

The problem with FF is the writing, you slap turn based on these dogshit scripts, pacing issues, filler shit etc and it still flops.

>>713612280
All he did was copy the barebones of WoW for FF14 and suddenly devs and fans alike think he's Hideo Kojima.

>>713605898
We need THE GOOCH now more than ever. Hell, Lost Odyssey was the prime inspiration behind EX33.

>>713612231
I don't even know what that is.

>>713612301
Good. You deserved to lose.

>>713612231
never heard of it, but at this point ill never give squenix any money ever again so maybe ill pirate it

>>713611618
>PS5 exclusive
>3 part
it was doomed from the beginning, this shit feels like its forged by bunch of expired boomers refuse to adapt to current year

>>713612231
Could say the same about The Last Story.

>>713611687
The sales have nothing to do with that. The third game will sell even less. It's the episodic model. People who haven't played the previous episode(s) won't bother with the new one, and there's an expected fall of with each entry. That's why Valve abandoned the Half-Life 2 episodes pretty quickly.

>>713612430
Mobile JRPG.

>>713612324
He is like a bishounen 2B visually. Feels kind of derivative but he is no doubt attractive.
Makes it believable when the girls then find him charming.

>>713606039
>in spite of its boring combat
Nice try homosexual. EX33 combat is great.

>>713612104
>The prologue grabs you in, but then it crashes and burns after Garuda.
It's really quite sad how much it falls off as it progresses. Those initial hours are strong.

>>713604169
no that was X-2
XIII pushed that concept to swapping your entire party's jobset and combined it with the most braindead auto-battle imaginable

>>713603286 (OP)
hahaha yesssss
The pendulum swings
Finally the insane fucking journalist brainworms about turn based combat from seventh gen are being undone

>>713603286 (OP)
They fucked up so bad it's insane. If they made FF7 a complete remake in one game with EX33 mechanics they would lauded as the greatest.
Materia is basically just pictos anyway.

>>713612480
Go have your portbegging therapy session with /r/PCMR and the rest of your inane PC fanboy warring buddies in a different thread.

>>713611943
Shit production values, terrible stories, grindy combat.

I'm pretty sure that beyond not being turn-based, a lot of people didn't like FFXVI's bizarre attempt at a Game of Thrones story for its starting plot and it was one of the common criticisms I saw being thrown at the game.

>>713612561
e33 reminded me more of ff9 mechanics than ff7

>>713612506
Maybe I will give it a try, but I have no shortage to play things this year. Just drop the headband and he would be passable. He is one of those "I probably have a twin sister" looking ass fags. Even Alphinaud looks manlier and that bitch aint winning any awards.

>>713603286 (OP)
>plan to continue delivering such games
which ones were these? world of final fantasy doesn’t even count; that game feels like the combat was an afterthought

>>713612428
Guchi + Nomura make a story based on the war on terror, human nature as demonic, the masterworks story that Nomura always wanted & hinted but could never complete.

>>713612360
because metaphor is not as mainstream as final fantasy due to its animr aesthetic
ff16 is a mainstream high budget title with a massive narketing budget and is expected to sell considerably more than e.g. metaphor
squeenix either needs to downsize so a game doesn't need to sell 10 mil copies to post a profit or make universally acclaimed smash hits that do hit that insane sales targets

>>713612503
>mobile
Disgusting. Never post that again.

>>713611897
I did. I also swore off disparaging the French ever.

>>713612589
What? The demo is entirely GoT shit and its the most well-liked part. What people didn't like is halfway through the game you throw all the GoT shit away for Ultima was behind everything. Even guiding you to kill the crystals was its goal. Controlled Barny and later the Empire via using the kid.

>>713612525
>t's really quite sad how much it falls off as it progresses
Ikr? I tried retelling the story to my gf and she was super interested until after Garuda. Plot takes a NOSEDIVE in quality.

Yoshi-P on suicide watch.

>>713612589
>a lot of people didn't like FFXVI's bizarre attempt at a Game of Thrones story for its starting plot and it was one of the common criticisms I saw being thrown at the game.
yeah only the intro is good, the bitch mom that wants his son do just die is a cool concept

Clive falls off as a character massively. Child Clive mogs Adult Clive in everything except design.

>>713612712
>Ultima was behind everything
Quite possibly THE WORST FF antagonist ever.

>>713612749
>>713612768
17 will have a much better writer (ishikawa)

>>713612589
the biggest problem i have with XVI theres no party members

>>713612570
Snoys are still subhuman cattle peasants and you should lower your voice when talking to PC Gods but it's true that FF16 would've flopped either way even if it was multiplat on launch. FF16 flopping is not due to being an exclusive seeing as other PS5 exclusives like Søy-Man 2 did very well. There are too many successful PS5 exclusives to blame the platform on slop flopping.

>>713612589
On the contrary, almost everyone liked the GoT portion of it the most.
It's when it makes a half assed attempt to shift back to "FF" after all, around the introduction of Ultima, is when the game goes to shit rapidly.

>>713612430
It's Final Fantasy by Final Fantasy devs under Mistwalker.
Change the voices to Japanese though.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2844850/FANTASIAN_Neo_Dimension/

>>713612768
>meme list is better than most non-meme lists people have
the blessing of barry is real

>>713612687
It's a proper and genuine singleplayer RPG with no online bullshit or any other mobage-isms you might expect.
It's a genuine single player RPG adventure on the scale of a regular single player RPG. And it got proper non-mobile ports made for it.

Dismissing it because the initial version of the game launched on mobile is silly.

>>713603286 (OP)
The coup de grace for action trannies. FF17 will be completely turn based, be Switch exclusive, and sell 20 million copies.

>>713612869
I didn't read part the first word. Just go to reddit /PCMR and circlejerk because you don't get console exclusives. Stop thread detailing you insolent balding PC fanboy warring loser.

>>713612712
>>713612712
I guess I should clarify, rather it's that the GoT plot goes absolutely nowhere with unsatisfying wrapups, devolving into a conflict against Ultima why I saw a lot of people felt dissatisfied. It made all the investment and buildup feel trivial and retarded in hindsight when the story just devolves into fighting god for the millionth time.

>>713603286 (OP)
They don’t get it still. We value games without faggotry and coalburning.

>>713613161
Also meant for >>713612871

>>713612768
>Child Clive mogs Adult Clive in everything except design.
I thought we would've been able to play as child Clive and go through his trials and tribulations as a slave, but NOPE!

>>713612104
don’t forget mother killing herself after her sons that vowed to kill her and had no love for her had a sappy emotional reunion and let their guard down and then shortly after clive going full retard on barnabs whom he’d never met and getting Jill captured. what a poop sock story

>>713612845
>17 will have a much better writer (ishikawa)
And she deserves every bit of her own mainline (No I don't count 14 as a mainline) because it's a damn shame that her single moment in Dawntrail was the best fucking piece of writing

Turn based would be a step backward for the series. I’ve never felt more engaged than I did playing VII Rebirth. People bitch about the game being padded but speed runs have it down to like six hours. It’s fun to swap between characters and see how different all of them are in play style. Why the fuck would I want to go back to where the only differences are in menu options? No. Plus it’s fun to flex on enemies by canceling damage with guarding at the right moment, even against bullets.

While i agree that FF should go back to TBC
The new FF have more problems than just combat

>>713612589
As someone that actually played it the problem is the game is just very hollow. Large maps but really nothing to do in them. Story starts really large but the pulls back and losing direction is a really bizzare way when Cid dies. Limited customization. No party members. Pointless fetch quests that don't lead to any neat secrets.
It's not like real time action RPGs don't work. Tales series has produced good games in the past using this formula. It just feels like it's the some old story of they put so much work into making a pretty movie and not a good game.

>>713613462
>tasting like beef would be a huge step backwards for steak. I’ve never enjoyed steak more than when it tastes like steak sauce

>>713613034
>Dismissing it because the initial version of the game launched on mobile is silly.
I think it's fair because it was designed within the limitations of playing on phone hardware and what comes with it, screen size and using your fingers. It will hinder any game that use a phone as your main goal.

>>713613161
>GoT plot goes absolutely nowhere with unsatisfying wrapups
True , but does that make the GoT portion the problem or the latter half?
I don't think many of us minded that they tried something new for FF. This is what FF7 did at the time, a big departure from FF games up to that point.
Square seems to have forgotten these risky changes can pay off, but they have to commit to it fully and 16 just doesn't.

That expedition game is cheap soap opera. Too melodramatic to the point where it’s annoying. Not to mention that stupid music chanting the title over and over. It’s shit and hamfisted.

>>713613485
It needs a job system, tbc, more crpg elements
turn based can be fun but devs dont know how to pull it off anymore also a complex elemental system like pokemon is always welcome it adds depth to the strats and a super hardmode you an chose from the start would be great too.

Overall though stories have only got better. They peaked in 6-7. 10 was great too. Old school FF stories are just: kill le evil demon lord. And thats it.

>>713613843
Now tell us what you think of the 7R story.
This should be funny.

>>713613843
shut the fuck up faggot you lack the faustian aryan spirit thats why.
https://youtu.be/NxTlhd2XeBY?si=NRLr7lO8lDdW0tm_

>>713613762
>screen size and using your fingers. It will hinder any game that use a phone as your main goal.
But the menus are reworked for buttons and the cameras and screen sizes have been are adjusted for larger screens. And since the environments were photographed dioramas they've been able to zoom out and in without affecting the game negatively.

>>713612231
Blue skin elf girl makes me interested, but hearing it's a ported mobile game makes me wary.

>>713613902
I didn’t play it because I’m satisfied with the original FFVII. I play other games, not just what’s “hot”. I bet you think Baldur’s Gate was revolutionary when it’s literally just Divinity with a new coat of paint.

>>713612893
To be fair, it doesn't look too bad. The mc voice does remind me of Vaan.

>>713613994
Sure, i was just saying that's not the norm and it is valid to criticize a game for being a mobile port instead of a game made for console or PC.

>>713603286 (OP)
TOTAL LUNE SUPREMACY

>>713613730

>>713612589
You’re retarded if you think that. The gritty medieval part is what was interesting and got players invested, not the Ultima God bullshit.

>>713614191
dude those feet got necrosis why the fuck they got no color

>>713613843
FF7 to FF10 were melodramatic and that's made them so popular, zoomzoom.

Can someone correct me here but, i don't remember FF being so obsessed with crystals before the new ones. I mean, there were crystals here and there but what's this obsession that Crystals are some trope every new FF game must have.
I don't remember crystals being important in FF8 or FF9. Were they in FF6 or FF1 ?

>>713614215
>no counter
action combat games are fundamentally flawed. once you see the enemies moveset there is no longer any challenge. tactics advance is peak gameplay for the ff series. sopffo added a good level of customization to the action formula but it still has lots of flaws

>>713614602
no. Crystals were always a reoccuring theme that is important in FF. in FF1-FF5 its literally what keeps the world from not rotting.

They shouldnt work that way imo though. It should be more like its just aether storage. Aether like the Aether theory in greek myth is the same in FF its basically the substance that makes up reality, basically magic makes up the universes in FF.

>>713604205
It's trash.

>>713614602
They were a core part of FF1 through 5. It wasn't until 6 that they took a new spin on the type of setting.

>>713608000
Nah. Fuck off and play your mobile games.

>>713614508
FF7 and FF10 had great planning for story beats and knew when to turn up the melodrama and when to not. Your shitty expedition game gets booted up and it blares a crescendo of strings paired with operatic singing, fills your screen with bloom and people turning into flowery petal shit, with sad faced uninteresting characters with heads too big for their bodies a la Dragon Age Veilguard, all without any sort of set up. You’re emotionally stunted if you think that’s good story telling. Not even Nier Gestalt/Replicant did that. I bet you’ve never read a book in your life that isn’t a school textbook. Funny how you say I’m the zoomer.

>>713603286 (OP)
emerald beyond mogs the shit out of shitspedition 33's puddle deep qte gay fake turn based combat, what a fucking joke, i hate modern "gamers" so fucking much it's unreal

>>713611943
Because they're budget games sold at full price.

>>713604205
nope it fucking sucks

>>713614992
>FF7 and FF10 had great planning for story beats and knew when to turn up the melodrama and when to not.
When Sophie "Died" I felt nothing, they give you no reason to have any bond to her outside of "She's the (not) main character's ex, please feel sad"

>>713614602
>Can someone correct me here but, i don't remember FF being so obsessed with crystals before the new ones.
If anything, crystals greatly lost emphasis after FFVII (assuming that you count magicite and materia as the stand-ins for crystals).

>>713603286 (OP)
>a single investor of thousands wants Square Enix to go bankrupt with AAA turn slop after an unprecedented stock rally
ok

>>713614602
Crystals were always a thing in FF games, but for some mainline, crystals take a backseat to things like "Aetheryte" or "Nethecite" or "Spheres" or...

>tfw I actually like Clive

>>713604205
No, no, no. Never ever bring it back, fuck it to hell let it die just add Paralysis in electric elemental attacks done. Stop being a pretentious faggot. Paralysis > Stagger. Done.

Or at least a Flinch for one turn like Pokemon.

>>713610149
This. I'm not playing any game made by faggots and trannies. Square Enix can't die soon enough.

>Final Fantasy series creator Hironobu Sakaguchi recently appeared as a guest on NOBIYO To Isshoni (Together with NOBIYO), a podcast led by composer Nobuo Uematsu, best known for his work on the music of Final Fantasy games. The two long-time collaborators met up to talk about their time together at Square, and Uematsu opened up about how Sakaguchi’s departure from Square affected him and the rest of the company, stating that “Square collapsed after Sakaguchi left.”

>“To put it simply – he is the big boss. Always has been and always will be.” Uematsu remarks that, back when they were located in Hiyoshi, Square used to be more like a club of university students rather than an actual company. “But Sakaguchi was able to manage the work even in that kind of environment. We didn’t even have a proper corporate organization, yet everybody listened to him. It’s a kind of quality you just have to be born with.” In other words, Uematsu describes him as “a leader” – somebody who, despite sometimes being strict and bossy, has the ability to attract the people around him.

>>713615251
Why is that stock rallying anyway?

>>713615420
>“Maybe Sakaguchi isn’t aware of this, but the situation at Square was awful after he quit,” Uematsu continues. “He left and the organization suddenly collapsed. I thought to myself – Oh no, I should get away from here.” The final years of Square were very turbulent, with many key members leaving the company just before its merger with Enix – it was a state in which the staff didn’t know who to follow nor what goals to work towards. However, Uematsu commends Square Enix on getting back on their feet after all the trouble they’d faced.

>Square had faced many setbacks in the 2000s, with significant financial losses due to the delay of Final Fantasy X and the box-office failure of their movie The Spirits Within, causing Sakaguchi to resign from his position as a game designer in the company. Sakaguchi later went on to establish his own studio, and in 2004, Uematsu followed in his footsteps, leaving Square Enix to work as a freelance composer. Sakaguchi and Uematsu have since collaborated on numerous games, including the 2024 RPG Fantasian Neo Dimension, which Uematsu considers his final project as a video game composer.

>>713607802
faggot 33 is only good to retarded niggers who hate turn based jrpgs, the same kind of people who think chrono trigger, earthbound, and ff7 are the "peaks" of the genre and are their favorite and only liked turn based rpgs

>>713615193
Exactly what I’m saying. I felt no connection to her either because the story establishes that she had broken up with the guy you’re playing as and therefore there’s no deep connection between them anymore. There’s a reason why they use family members starting scenes like that because we all understand that pre-established emotional bond and how hard it is to lose. Not exes.

>>713603286 (OP)
Square Enix still makes turn-based games though.

Fucking niggers are all retarded. Especially if they think that SE would ever make a AAA turn-based game.

>>713603286 (OP)
Hopefully they get their shit together and stop being retarded.

>>713615405
most rebirth players are females and trannies, i'm not even joking that's the main playerbase

>>713615420
>Uematsu opened up about how Sakaguchi’s departure from Square affected him and the rest of the company, stating that “Square collapsed after Sakaguchi left.”
So as a surprise to no one, Sakaguchi was the paperclip that held the rubber bands and now SE will never find someone as competent as him to lead their sinking ship ever again

>>713615358
he’s kind of shallow. cid and dion were better characters

>>713614602
So for most of them, losing the crystal or otherwise having it damaged or destroyed results in really awful things.
No wind crystal = winds stop blowing; can't use most ships, dirt will settle, farms will die. Most non-shore areas will turn to desert.
No water crystal = no rain. Eventually water dries up and goes away.
No earth crystal = all ground becomes unable to sustain plants. Everything dies.
No fire crystal = sun goes out. TL;DR death of world via ice.

7 combined the concept of them into Mako and lifestream.

>>713609742
>CRPGs
wrpgs*
fixed that for you, misnomering zoomer faggot who doesn't understand what words meam

>>713615676
>cid and dion were better characters
Hell, the dog was a better character

>>713603496
13 sold a lot before people knew it was shit. That doesn't mean it's popular.

>>713615358
He was better as a kid.

>>713603863
Stagger mechanic is fantastic and it forces you to use tactics and strategy.
Why FF16 has it though? I have no idea since that game's completely brainless but in FF7R it just works so well and the fact you don't even realize makes me question your IQ. You're in the double digits for sure.

>>713615420
>>713615503
>All this glazing with no actual basis in reality
So much for this genius leader who fell into complete irrelevance while SE only got bigger and bigger after he left

>>713615420
>>713615503
maybe they shouldn't get rid of him because of a shitty movie, it caused domino effect in the company everyone is quitting

>>713615563
I think you just don't feel too much emotions.
They make you play as sophie for an hour, you get to see her perspective on life, her choices and her empathy.
You also need to explore and talk to npcs to get the most of her character, like the fact she denied gustave children and regret it.
I agree that it's hit or miss if you just the prologue. I didn't cry of course but I still felt bad because she was a good yet flawed person from most of her dialogues.

>>713603286 (OP)
Square Enix makes more turn-based games than any other publisher though.

The last thing we need is a AAA production, where all you do is spam the X-button, because turn-niggers are too retarded to actually learn how to play a video game.

>>713615095
This. The only way for the next turn-based FF to actually be fun is if they steal modern SaGa's combat lmao

>>713615358
If he wasn’t too no-nonsense, he would’ve been a better character. Honestly, I liked Dion better.

>>713615465
stock is speculative. all they have to do is announce a game and the stock speculatively goes up. and they have been announcing a ton of things. you won’t see the effect of sales until 6 months after a game launch

>>713615465
because their profits have been going up year by year. Most of their money comes from like anime, merchandise, smartphone games and stuff not AAA games.

Lune always wins baby.

>>713607491
Final Fantasy's biggest problem is that it has not had a real fucking identity since the Playstation 2. That's literally it. For some reason Square decided to chase the "Western audience" cashcow that they got a huge taste of in the PS1 era and that somehow, in order to appeal to Western audience more, Final Fantasy must deviate more and more from it's core gameplay concepts and even presentation, when ironically it was the fucking JRPG format that made Westerners fall in love with FF7 and want to play FF8, 9, 10, and 12 in the first place.

Long gaps between mainline games, weird deviations into MMOs and spinoffs, and giving entries off to various wanna-be auteur hack directors who think they're "above" traditional Japanese anime/game writing and want Final Fantasy to be something more inspired by Western storytelling have essentially killed the series' identity.

When you bought a Final Fantasy game 25 years ago, you knew exactly what kind of game you were getting. When you buy a new Final Fantasy game within the last 10-15 years, the game could be anything.

Your "Final Fantasy" brand literally means nothing when people associate it to games that came out between 1987-2006 and can be neatly grouped with eachother, but nearly everything since then has been an experiment, a spinoff, a completely different change in gameplay genre, etc.

>>713612360
>main series FF game with a big budget vs a niche ps3-looking jrpg made for a two-four of Sapporo

>>713615938
Bet you feel pretty stupid now huh.

>>713616094
>Your "Final Fantasy" brand literally means nothing when people associate it to games that came out between 1987-2006 and can be neatly grouped with eachother, but nearly everything since then has been an experiment, a spinoff, a completely different change in gameplay genre, etc.
Pretty based take.

>>713616118
>a game that people like
>vs a game people only remember fondly of cause the demo
If anything it showed that marketing and sponsoring streamers is a good ticket to early sales

>>713615987
For FF it would already be an enormous leap in quality to steal the SNES' SaGa combat, modern SaGa is legitimately too complex for most people let alone FF fans, you wouldn't even call it a filter, it would be a massacre

>>713603286 (OP)
turd based games are so boring

>>713615782
I dunno. I hated the stagger in FF7R because bosses always entered it just before their mandatory phase 2 transformation and we're invulnerable to damage.

>>713615782
I haven’t played 7r and I doubt I will because of the retcons and ugly character models but 16 is so fucking easy. there was no need to think about any sort of tactics. idk why they locked hard mode behind story completion because half the story is just tedious “check up on these guys” quests

>>713615465
Because investors are liking Kiryu’s new proposed setup and are buying in. Besides, their financials still look fine, despite their triple a games not meeting their intended targets.

>>713613339
>don’t forget mother killing herself after her sons that vowed to kill
Please tell me she has a full on breakdown when she finds out Clive is a Dominant and that Joshua is alive.

>>713611425
unrstraight of the shitgine also wasn't made by the saga team

>>713603286 (OP)
This is fucking retarded, because Square Enix already makes a ton of turn-based RPGs. You turn-nigger faggots just aren't buying them.

>>713616349
truth

>>713612508
>brainless parry slop
>great
Kill yourself retard. Great and truly excellent combat better than anything else in the market is FF7 Rebirth's.

>>713603286 (OP)
>Square Enix recognizes Expedition 33 success during meeting, says they value turn-based games
They should have recognized turn-based videogames when Baldur's Gate 3 hit 800k players on Steam. True BG3 is a different type of turn based but still.

>>713603286 (OP)
Square Enix absolutely, positively, unequivocally BTFO

>>713616219
What tiktok and social media has done to the zoom zoom brain.

>>713613994
>environments were photographed dioramas
Nice I can see it there now
>>713612893
I love use of miniatures for FX even in movies.

Turn based it's good only if you can do actions between enemy turns (parry, block), paper mario solved this years ago

>>713616164
DQXI is not AAA.

DQXII will probably be AAA though. :)

Retard

>>713612360
FF16 is a AAA with the final fantasy brand. Metaphor is a AA with no branding.

>>713616431
I'm not playing games made by trannies sorry.

>>713613430
She wrote something in dawntrail?

>>713615887
I interacted with every interactive points, explored every bit of that starting map and even beat the monster thing. I went into this expecting to be completely immersed and invested into the story but the setup was just not there. You can’t tell me I don’t get my heartstrings pulled, I’m someone who cries at sidequests and am a big fan of romantic novels. This storytelling just screams deviant amateur and that’s bad for a game whose main driving force is the story.

Who got exposed as a bigger hack between Yoshit-Piss and Hidehacki Shitsuno?

>>713616437
They could have coped and said BG3 has a D&D system and sold because of that. But now, E33 made them look dumb. E33 obviously only sold because of jaded FF fans that hate modern SE

>>713615676
I mean I can get why Clive is how he is.
>Father and Brother due after the Empire attacks Phoenix Gate for no reason
>Gets branded and is enslaved for thirteen years
>Gets stripped of his name and forced to fight in a suicide squad during that period
>Only thing keeping him going is trying to find the second Dominant of Fire so he can avenged Joshua
>Finds out he was the second Dominant the whole time
His entire character checks out but it could have moved on from that after he finds out Joshua is alive.

>>713608275
Wasn't this literally a mobile game port?

>>713612589
The game sold itself as a mature take on GoT, but it was a masked shonen slop. The demo felt like it was made in isolation from the main game.

>>713612360
FF16's issues is not story because the story was pretty good for the most part and even better than most Jrpg's have to offer. FF16's main problem is that it wasn't visually appealing to normies. The game's too dark, dull and generic looking. Nothing special about it. It just look boring... And it is boring because the combat is complete shit. The literal definition of all style no substance and completely brainless.

>>713616297
no she literally only cares that her new son (big shocker was just Ultima the whole time). doesn’t even speak a word to her two sons. mega anticlimactic

>>713616461
This is the most retarded no true Scotsman take I've ever seen. Im sorry I talked to you as I bet no other human in your life does with this bullshit. At least your a genetic failure and your "I can never be wrong" habit wont pass on, LOL.

>>713612231
Redpill me
Job system? or no job system?

>>713603286 (OP)
Capitalism lol

A small AA studio has passion and creates a masterpiece and the capitalists and investors are like "is it because French? More baguettes?" "maybe cuz turn based??"

I'm glad there might be more turn based though lol.

>>713616724
You sound mad, turn-nigger.

>>713616648
Yes

>>713616746
that’s a man

>>713616431
>parry slop
>:(
>parry AND dodge slop
:O

>>713615358
He's better than verso

>>713604205
stagger blows when you only do meaningful damage when your enemy is staggered which is the case in ffxvi and the vii remakes.

>>713615358
Clive was based. Jill is also a great waifu. They deserved a better game.

>>713615358
Ben Starr sucks, he can't keep a consistent tone. They should've made him teen clive and got another dude to voice the older one.

>>713616709
>He's Ultima
>That guy is also Ultima
>She's Ultima
What next, Byron is Ultima? Torgal maybe? Hell, Tomes even?

>>713616787
ywnbaw

>>713616461
Horii never said that

>>713616746
There won't be, because turn-based fans don't actually buy turn-based games. They don't even know that Square Enix makes more turn-based games than literally any other publisher on the planet, yet they keep on demanding that Square Enix make turn-based games.

>>713611618
FF7R quite literally has the best combat ever made. Once it clicks with your monkey brain is not easy playing other Jrpg's because none are anywhere near as engaging, strategic and tactical.

>>713616818
He was fine as Verso in expedition. But yeah they should've gotten a different VA for young Clive.

>>713612360
Final Fantasy has a 30 year legacy comparable to Legend of Zelda. And Metaphor is a literally who IP that was made up a year ago. Gee, I wonder what will sell more to normies?
>The story was the reason FF16 flopped on every single platform
The last cope for action slop fans. Kek

>>713616568
I mean Yoshi P is litterally keeping Square alive with his money printer. I have zero intrest in FF14 either but I'll never get the hate considering his work subsidizes everything else.

>>713616616
>for no reason
hehe

>>713616913
I’m a heterosexual male, the image you posted is also a male

>>713616349
maybe they should advertise them like they advertise FF then?
Especially since most of those go for like a SNES era vibe, while most FFfags are most nostalgic for the PSX, early PS2 era style.

>>713616818
That’s some shit take. The voice actor was one of the good points about Clive.

>>713616934
>because turn-based fans don't actually buy turn-based games
We do, FF fans however do not

>>713616934
What was the last turn-based game SE made that wasn't chibi/pixel slop? DQ11 almost a decade ago?

I just beat Titan and all I'm saying is this. If Byron dies, I'm deleting the game.

>>713612301
>>713616775
Heh

>>713603286 (OP)
>Square Enix makes a AA turn-based RPG with Final Fantasy in the title
>Turn-boomers don't buy it
>Then turn-boomers cry for another ten years that Square Enix doesn't make turn-based games
This is how it will run down.

>>713616775
Yea, I wasted time associating with a retarded genetic deadend. We both know you struggled in highschool, never went to college, are a virgin, and have awful videogame takes, LOL!

>>713603286 (OP)
Doesn't really matter since Nomura, Kitase, YoshiP or really anyone else there now will only make shit games regardless of whether they're turn based or real time.

>>713617080
RS2 Remake

>>713616934
Stop pretending to be retarded. People want the budget given for action games be given to turn based ones. They want production values. They want FF turn based because that's the game with the highest production values in SE catalog.

>>713616975
They only reason they hired him to tap into the FF crowd he grew.

>>713617008
He whispers ALL HIS FUCKING LINES BRO. WHY ARE WHISPERING?!

>>713616872
sorry meant to say her new son dies but yeah. dion literally saved the two retarded sons who were doing nothing by killing Ultima. probably the best character in the game even if he was gay. speaking of tomes though how come all of the dominants knew who Ultima was and recognized him but tomes and Joshua couldn’t find anything on him

>>713603286 (OP)
KEKAROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
FFTroons on suicide watch.
Jesus christ dude, KEK!

>>713617138
Obviously they can't trust any of those hacks anymore. Just hire someone else

>>713616535
Yeah it was a small scene where the PC has a short Gondola ride with Graham Tia and they talk about mortality and letting shit go.
The whiplash players had just from that simple bit of writing made them realize that Dawn trail's writing overall is shit.
Ishikawa bounced afterwards and was never heard from again.

>>713616523
>FF brand
Tainted
>no branding
Like E33? Metaphor is the follow up after P5, it should have been another hit.

>>713617009
Ya you can shut up. You think BG3 is a masterpiece when it’s just Divinity in some D&D costume. Bet you’ve never even heard of Divinity. Tryhard nerds like you don’t play actual video games and just follow the herd for the next FoTM.

>>713616971
not even better than sopffo a spinoff game

>tfw Ultima's entire plan would have been ruined if Bitch Mum has Clive killed instead of enslaved
Is this why he pretended to be her new son?

>>713617173
e33 sold less than any numbered final fantasy game

>>713616980
>normies
>caring about FF
What decade is this?

>>713616746
The story was written by the hedgefund manager and backed by a billionaire. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>713617124
I remember that interview, thinking how fucking cunty they were. Like to the point where the people who got them where they are "not enough" they have to tap the CoD and GTA crowd.

Get fucking rekt.

>Out of touch japanese business executive are out of touch with their userbase and just mindlessly follow trends
waow!

I don't understand why they're still experimenting with the mainline titles. Either do turn-based or copy FF7R style.
In the 90s, they kept the same general combat system while trying other things for leveling and magic. Keep it kind of familiar but new. I don't think it's that hard instead of wasting time reinventing the wheel.

>>713616934
I agree with you, but I feel that's also due to a lack of marketing.
Like >>713617009 said, there's a lot of people who automatically think of final fantasy when they think of turn based, final fantasy is popular and familiar and it had a lot of great games.
I feel like if square just made another turn based final fantasy, and I dunno, added some optional crossover bonus content like a dungeon and superboss from their other countless turn based ip's it might encourage them to step out of their comfort zone.

>>713617103
>If Byron dies
I hate to tell you this... I really do...

>>713617103
I stopped playing after beating sleipnir but I don’t think he does

>>713617339
e33 cost less and has no brand. It was made by 30 french using baguettes as payment.

>>713617225
Yeah I wanna know how Cid knew who Ultima was immediately. Is it because Ramuh gives him knowledge or was it because Barnabas was colluding with Ultima?

>>713603286 (OP)
FF16's combat system has an identity crisis and it has nothing to do with being turn based vs action. Clive's base moveset has some cool stuff in it that they directly lifted from DMC, but the game disincentivizes you to use any of it in lieu of just spamming skill rotations. By the time you're 10 hours in, the game becomes a shitty cooldown management simulator for your skills just like an MMO. But unlike an MMO, your skill bar can only consist of a pitiful 6 spells total.

>>713603496
Only by the unfortunate faggots who grew up with the game and feel nostalgia for it. The same retards who think Sonic 06 was underrated.

>>713617307
>You think BG3 is a masterpiece
No?
I don't care about Larian's trash, and before you even try I don't care about Owlcat's trash either and BG has always been a casual franchise, take your meds and go outside

>>713617103
Anon-kun… I…

>>713617339
This is not true at all. Though I have to go back 35 years.

>>713617423
>>713617502

>>713617446
>baguettes
>baguettes
>baguettes
>baguettes

Can you fuckers have more jokes? Are frogs only knows for baguettes? How about not showering?

>>713617370
An absolute retarded troglyodyte. This is who these executives trusted instead of listening to the fans

>>713617502
>Anon-kun… I…
>>713617423
>I hate to tell you this... I really do...
Somebody hold this mother fucker's hand, the news isn't good

>>713617339
Sold more than 16.
WTF are you talking about
>INB4"16 doesn't count"

>>713617137
I hear turn-niggers are shocked that controllers have more than one button, because all they ever do is spam the X-Button.

Is this true?

>>713617307
>when it’s just Divinity in some D&D costume
I love Divinity games. They have so many kino moments.

>>713615938

>tfw E33 will win GOTY cause it was a weak year.

>>713617462
XVI’s combat system would’ve been fine if it just incorporated elemental weaknesses. That’s it. That would’ve made the game 10000x better.

>>713617595
I've never gotten off the island before dropping it

>>713617325
I think he did that to break the emotional connection to his conscious. I want to say Ultima stopped her hand that day but who can say because women are fucking retarded on their own

>>713617307
>You think BG3 is a masterpiece when it’s just Divinity in some D&D costume
Yes?
It's the game of the decade.

>>713617636
FF Troons are now praying Kojimbo will win, so they won't get humiliated even more

>>713617636
Nah, watch it lose to the Death Stranding 2 shill wave, like when Astrobot won

>>713617370
>Get fucking rekt.
Yeah, SE is totally rekt. KEK

Turn fags are completely delusional.

>>713610343
Like what I always say, worse games than FF16 have so better, so the reasons for it not selling well have nothing to do with combat or any of that shit. For starters you actually have to play the game to realize that but people did not buy it. So the next most obvious reasons would be people did not like the visuals of the game, right?

But
FF15 is a worse game than 16 and it sold much better.
FF13 is a worse game than 16 and it sold much better.
Why these 2 turds sold so much better than 16?
That is the real question.

Not to mention FF7 Rebirth is much better than any of these games yet is sold worse than all of them.

>>713612301
Well at least you learned your lesson
>>713616775
>>713617124
>>713617587
Oh nevermind, back into old habits.

>>713617660
Ultima had nothing to do with it. She was just being a evil bitch
>Hmm yes, the son I hate survived while the son I 'loved' didn't... Alright, brand him and put him in the slave army.

>>713617553
It's fucking insaine how nobody called out Yoshi-p for saying how every FF is what the director wants it to be...and then immediately states that he wanted it action based cause the new generations wants it that way.

At least people stopped calling him a savior after XVI and Dawntrail. Bro was the reason Clive was crying every hour in the game.

>>713617370
>Get fucking rekt.
I have very (very, very) bad news for your, turn-boomer...

>>713617636
Why it's a weak year?

>>713617653
>I've never gotten off the island before dropping it
Dude... you don't even get source or most of the crazy spells on Fort Joy. It's pretty much the tutorial section, the game really starts once you leave the island.

>>713617693
Took you all of your one brain cell to type that?

>>713617456
Because Cid used to work for Barnabas. The whole fucking story would have been better without Ultima though. Just make Barnabas the main antagonist, have him plot to become some kind of omni-dominant like Clive. Boom, story improves ten-fold.

>>713617730
>7m
>2 games in the poster
Does that imply tat 7m is both games added together? Jesus christ...

>>713617730
I think you're forgetting
>Remake also has the PS4 install base behind it
>Released during covid
>Intergrade was a fucking bait and switch to get more people on the ps5

>>713617828
They can have fun selling funko pops and gacha. Thats the only reason the stock is up. Not because of game sales

>>713617587
Having a good point here still doesn't detract from the fact you are a dumb fucking loser who's wrong about DQ11 being AAA.
Change the subject though, talk about anything but your multiple personal failings, kek.

>>713611618
Not only that but also they shouldn't have sold it as a remake, but like the shitty fanfic it is, all I wanted was FF7 in HD, the same game, turn-based, with different graphics. It shouldn't be that hard

>>713617828
>Magic the Gathering, a turn based game, inflated Square Enix stocks this year.
>"Seeee!? Get fucked Turn Based Boomer"
Oh, my sweet summer child...

What I want to know is why is there such a lukewarm reception to the Mothercrystal's being destroyed? Sure it's been five years since the Empire's one was destroyed. But Breath and Fang get destroyed in quick succession and nobody is panicking.

>>713617730
>>713617828
Your life seems so depressing

>>713603286 (OP)
Fucking retarded execs, you pieces of shit should kill yourselves right now.

You've been neglecting us, turn based CHADS, from over 20 years now. It's time you pay the price and go BANKRUPT.

I don't want to see you fucks going back to turn based after you insulted us for decades.

>>713617850
I know but I always lose interest about two hours in. I've tried like, eight times now.

>>713617708
>>713617704
PS5 only, sales look worse then Rebirth, and the game got pity 9s desu.

E33 got the whole "30 young dev" narrative, people love a good underdog story.

>>713617838
No GOTY games aside from KCD2 (forgotten), Split Fiction (forgotten), Death Stranding 2 (No PC no hype). E33 wouldn't have won if it released in any of the past 5 years.

>>713612231
>Fantasian
The game bombed on PS5 and PC.

Why, you ask? Well it is because turn faggots don't actually buy turn-based games.

>>713617868
How fucking long was Barnabas working with Ultima then?

>>713617818
You don't make 3 billion without white women consumers.

>>713612360
>FF16 did more than that in 3 days.
True.

>>713618046
>E33 got the whole "30 young dev" narrative
And then the trannies and race-baiters came along trying to bring them down

>>713617368
The writer is literally a random Chinese woman they found on reddit lmao fuck off conspiracyfag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBMLuQXr6n4

>>713605898
>Get hired by Nintendo
>Pull SE drama queen after doing last story
>Nintendo forget he exists not much after

The dumbest part for me is the ending
>Lol magic never existed. It's just a dumb story
>Yeah, but still
Motherfucker that scene takes place a hundred years later max. Are you telling me that these retards just burned all their books and references of crystals and Aether?

>>713618051
I bought it, because I love Guchi.
People are really missing out on Fantasian

>>713617868
bro barnabas having sex with ultima who was his fucking mom was weird

>>713617368
Who are they? Sounds like they're based as fuck.
They literally reignited my Hope in RPGs.

>>713617390
Worked for Elden Ring
>what if we made it open world + crafting + lots of easy mobs to grind to power up and steamroll bosses

>>713603286 (OP)
Good, FF should be command based. However I'm still not buying FF17 if it has any gay or tranny characters.

>>713618103
A long fucking time. Cid comments on this at some point.

>>713618325
FF16 had an all white cast and you didnt buy it

>>713617954
it actually got bad around the third crystal and the game talks about mass hysteria cause people can’t light fires and draw water anymore (lmao retards) but the story pacing went into overdrive around that point in the game and it felt like they were just trying to wrap up everything quickly and pretty much everything gets dropped when the Akashic are running loose. just bad writing

>>713618246
You think those magic-wielding savages were literate?

>>713617368
Story written by a random chinese woman who was actually hired to be a VA

You now remember Hugo having a schizophrenic hallucination of Benedikta and Clive/Ifrit cucking him before you fight him

>>713618051
>be Square Enix
>listen to fans that demand turn-based games
>publish Fantasian and put it on PS5 and PC
>it flops
Imagine being Square Enix and having to deal with such a whiny and pretentious fan base.

>>713618325
Yes, turn based is only the beginning. Theres obviously a lot of work to be done if they really want the fans back. They might release some turn based game with DEI shit which will set it up to fail

>>713618152
Headcanon, when a dev has 100+ in credits but call themselves "30 young blah blah" they are going to get called out, and add to that the nepo baby money. Shit was rigged from the start, at least they should've been honest.

Funny enough, watch the sequel have trannies. Like you fuckers haven't learned with Vávra and Drunkmann; you can't trust western directors. "Investors" are already outside Sandfalls doorstep.

>>713618051
it’s a 10 year old port of an apple game that didn’t even get announced. that has something to do with it

>>713618246
Why do people deny the Holocaust when we have photographs and witness testimonies from both sides?

>>713618367
16 had fags and is the reason I didn't buy the game

>>713618317
Not really, Elden Ring is a crescendo of the Souls series. It never stopped being true to the original gameplay loop the series is known for.

>>713603393
>toriyama's autism with ff13
It wasn't XIII though.

The direction the mainline FF series took towards more action is because of a XIII spin-off being rebranded as a mainline title (XV). It sold well. +10m sales. It might have given the wrong perception that despite the lukewarm critical reception that gamers are more receptive into trying out action games than turn-based games. Since then they've kind of "coped" themselves into believing that full-on action (XV and XVI) is the way forward for the series.

>>713618192
Yea, she was the hedgefund manager. I just looked it up and I was wrong, she was a retired private equity investor.

>>713618436
FF faggots get uppity online but none of them walk the talk or put their money where their mouth is, that is something the suits know well.
That aside, Fantasian is pure kusoge so it's not really a matter of FF fans being retards, nobody with a brain cares about Sakaguchi's trash.

>>713618528
Because a wooden door wouldn't hold gas in

>>713615760
>>713617476
13 isn't good.
It doesn't HAVE to be good to be better than 15 and 16, though. And it is better.

>>713618489
They didn't call themselves a 30 person studio though? That was completely made up by social media.

>>713618051
I'm a weeb who likes jrpgs and anime. Why the fuck would I have a modern playstation console?
I bought the game for the switch.

>>713618489
Everyone outsources, no one does QA or VA in house, the point is AAA games have 2000+ people in the credits

>>713603286 (OP)
Still not buying SEslop

>>713618432
I want sex in my games just not gay GoT sex

>>713618051
>The game bombed on PS5 and PC.
And on the Switch as well. Not even Japs bought it, although it is a Sakaguchi game.

KEK

>>713618423
>The Crystals are well documented
>Bearers are well documented
>Dominants are literally tied to each kingdoms culture
>Heavy reliance on shards is well documented

>>713618594
It's not like you need an air-tight seal to kill people with gas.

>>713608275
>mobile game
>denuvo
>50$+tip

yeah no wonder nobody bought it

>>713618427
See >>713618427

>>713618301
Im not into Asians but she us fuckable.

>4 niggas in a row is good actually
said no one ever

>>713618587
>put their money where their mouth is
I already bought ff1-12, tactics, tactics advance, and crystal chronicles

>>713609770
I agree with you but don't know how to articulate it. But FF16 does feel a lot like the classic FF1-6 games both aesthetically and narratively. Ultima and “ancient aliens” are classic tropes in those older games.

>>713618427
Yea, she was the hedgefund manager. I just looked it up and I was wrong, she was a retired private equity investor.

>>713618883
4 niggas in a row will win GOTY

>>713618790
With the amount they supposedly did? Yeah, you'd need a proper chamber. Also, what they conveniently ignore were the massive amounts of Polish POWs in the camps that would logically make up anywhere between 25% to 50% of the established six million

>>713603286 (OP)
A big part of my enjoyment of E33 was the writing was so different from most JRPGs and didn't fall into so many of the Japanese writing tropes a lot do (magic crystals, evil god behind everything etc). Putting turn based combat back into FF and still letting Nomura go mad with the plot and script won't help.

>>713618883
Looks like SE have started saying it lil bro

>>713618780
>He thinks those matter outside of the 10 people who could read

>>713618436
Thats the thing about FF fans though, they dont even know who is the creator of the franchise, they just buy whatever slop has the Final Fantasy name in it.

>>713618046
There is nothing wrong with E33 winning GOTY though. Except if you're a AAA industry shill.
It doesn't have preachy politics, it is not designed by committee, has a very fair price, doesn't have microtransactions, has its own identity with a strong vision, it has normal looking females and strong male protagonists.
I prefer FF over Expedition 33 by a mile but E33 winning GOTY would do no harm to the industry compared to the garbages that won before it.

>>713618968
Pekora Stranding 2 will win GOTY 100%, no way they're letting Kojimbo down, I won't believe it

>but muh bravely/fantasian/octopath/etc.
Why do actionnigs act like those games are comparable to the turn based stuff FF got in it's prime. People don't want budget hand-me downs, they want a big budget turn based game like what 7-10 were.

>>713618996
It’s not JRPG. The J stands for Japanese. Japaniizu onri.

>>713603286 (OP)
Tbf, Negro Oscuro dev has a rich daddy who paid for his passion project.

Does the CEO of Final Fantasy has a rich daddy too?

>>713603286 (OP)
>FF X-2 Combat
>Yoko Taro female designs similar to 2B and Eve to get the coomers on board. And Grummz will champion my game
>Hire Sakaguchi as main writer
>Switch exclusive so tendies online will defend our game. And also journalists will give high review scores

Hire me, SE

>series gets famous by being the king of the big budget JRPGs
>start making snoy action games instead because those are popular with the kids (allegedly)
>sales fail to meet expectations
Eventually the delusional devs will have a Capcom moment and realize that there's a large audience for the niche genre that they abandoned. Remember that Resident Evil 6 actually sold really well too.

>>713619148
So Elden Ring is a JRPG now? II's an RPG made in Japan. Think twice before you post again, retard.

>>713618795
6000 thousand people disagree!

>>713619095
0% chance of that happening unless DS2 blow up in engagement or sells a lot.
E33 made a bigger splash.

>>713619110
I prob would have played it but I was already too old for handhelds by the time the DS released

>>713619057
But E33 is the enemy of 7R fans. The only people who don't want it to win love 7R and see E33 as an existential threat. And the irony is it's not because E33's makers or fans are anti-7R, but because E33 is all the things 7R fans have deemed "the enemy" over the past few years. It's the kind of game they insisted had to die so that a great game like 7R could replace it. And suddenly E33 proves all their obnoxious shitposting wrong. Every E33 success is another L for them.

>>713612768
That list is factually correct

>>713615938
yo this gameplay is fire

>>713618489
What you don't understand is that even if you add the 10 koreans animators and musicians, E33 still needed 10 times less people that the standard AAA game.
So the underdog narrative still fits.

>>713619110
All you people want is wasting billions on graphics and cutscenes, not an actual game, FF in its prime was just as embarassing as it is now.
You expose yourselves as the frauds you are by looking down on everything that doesn't waste money on AAA graphics, none of you care about turn based combat or RPGs, you're fucking netflix addicts

>>713619236
Yeah. Japanese only.

>>713619302
Same but I just downloaded the DS emulator and having some fun. Catch up on the top 1% of the past two decades.

>>713619009
>Wow, all of our grandparents/great-grandparents all say the same thing about magic existing a hundred years ago before some guy called Cid the Outlaw destroyed the massive crystals in each kingdom.
>Nah it's all bullshit. Screw you AND your mountains of literal evidence, both written, visual and oral.

>>713618968
>4 niggas in a row will win GOTY
Not a chance. It has no chance against DS2, which is Kojima's best game.

>>713619376
I want to go back.

There's nothing square can do to get rid of the haters. They and nintendo are in constant battle for the "most deranged haters in the industry award"

They could make a string of amazing games (and have) and all the haters would pretend it didnt happen. These are people who entire identity revolves around being an ex square fanboy and current atlas/France fanboy. They arent interested in video games. You look at the reception of Revirth by people who arent in that deranged group and its clearly one of the best games of last year and jrpgs of the gen. No amount of review bombs can offset the excellent reception it has from the majority.

>>713619402
hey dumb nigger. I bought and completed golden sun 1 and 2, and dragon warrior monsters 1, 2, and joker. and guess what they don’t make those anymore either

>>713619315
????????

>>713619512
meme game

>>713619398
>3800 people game
>Still sold less than the 410 people game.
PPFFFFFFFTTTTTT

>>713619512
>The baby giving the double thumbs up
My sides

>>713619584
he's right

>>713619584
E33 fans are mentally ill

>>713603286 (OP)
>says they value turn-based games
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! LAST FINAL FANTASY GAME THAT WAS TURN BASED WAS FINAL FANTASY X IN 2001
>says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games says they value turn-based games
HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!

>>713618630
>According to Broche, the 32‑man team at Sandfall Interactive (33 if you include their dog, Monoco), already had plans to release DLC even before the game launched

https://automaton-media.com/en/news/clair-obscur-expedition-33s-success-caused-the-dev-team-to-reconsider-how-it-should-approach-future-dlc/

>>713619487
Yep. Just like modern society. Holocaust deniers, Flat-earthers, Climate-change deniers, the list goes on.

>>713619402
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The old ff games aged like fine wine. Install and play them and by the end you'll have a smile on your face as the credits roll.

>>713619567
They will hate SE no matter what they do, but thankfully there are fans like you and me who will love them no matter what. They can count on us to balance things out.

>>713619607
Both rebirth and 16 outsold e33.

>>713619579
You bought garbage?
I know already, you venerate dogshit brands but you don't give a shit about actual quality and look down games that are the same exact thing you worship, if not better, purely because they don't have your favorite brand name on the box.
You're absolutely pathetic.

>>713619315
I do fucking hate that turn based is finally making a comeback after Rebirth. From after pic related in 1990 to before Rebith Action RPGs have sucked. Rebirth finally made them good after 34 years of garbage and now turn based is getting big again?

>>713619751
Nicely handled

>>713619771
E33 sold more than both in 33 days

>>713618708
That's why nobody states the team behind it, because it doesn't make sense that internal resources are credited, but external ones aren't in interviews. They were selling a fake narrative "of le ex ubi devs" when only 2 or 3 of them were.

>>713619689
technically world of final fantasy if you count spinoffs is probably their last but the gameplay is so fucking bad. fast forward is practically mandatory and even then it sucks. definitely not a turn based problem because there are hundreds of other turn based games that are actually fun to play

>>713619854

Cope

>>713619315
>>The only people who don't want it to win love 7R and see E33 as an existential threat
>35+ year franchise sees new franchise as a threat.
LMAO

>>713619584
Newfag alert. Action slop fans have been bragging about FF16's revolutionary Devil May Cry combat for years even though no one asked

>>713603286 (OP)
They never stopped making turn based games for smaller franchises like Octopath or Triangle Strategy. Mainline Final Fantasy will never be turn based again.

>>713619727
The only old FF games that are barely playable are 1 and 5, the rest is unadulterated trash, I have actual standards

>>713619771
E33 has released 2 months ago. Already sold near 4M. We'll see when it is out for as long as both the games you listed.

>>713619878
world of FF is better than e33

>>713619854
It sold 33 copies in 33 days. That’s how shit it is.

>>713619845
From the lack of counter, I'd have to agree

>>713619812
bro can you even pick a fucking stance. fucking schizophrenia hours

>>713618427
>hiring VAs when you dont even have a story

You niggers will believe literally anything. E33 is straight spook propaganda it says it right in the title but you will just handwave it as being ironic or something. They always make up some rags to riches cinderella story for themselves to cover their intentions and get underdog points.

>>713619719
No anon. It's retarded. It's like if tomorrow all countries oil supplies dried up and then in 100yrs people are like "Oil made from dinosaur bones? To fuel cars? Are you retarded, that's just a myth."

>>713619923
>near 4 million
If you have to make up numbers you lost.

>>713610160
>>713610584
are zoomers just born stupid? or is it acquired mental debuff?

>>713619914
ff1 is one of my favorites but you are retarded. Refrain from sharing your shit opinion on this topic.

>>713619398
And GTA sold more than both, that's not the point, the game is taking "small studio" credit but you can't compare E33 to game like Miside or Mouthwashing. It had funds from Microsoft and the french goverment ffs.

>>713619914
You obviously never played FF2 you fraud.

>>713619898
>>35+ year franchise sees new franchise as a threat.
Yes, it does, which is why 90% of the posts itt exist. And why someone dedicates every day of their lives to spamming the same "turn troons" posts in as many threads as they can. The FF fanbase is very insecure considering it's such a supposed titan of the industry.

>>713603286 (OP)
When we getting FF13 remake with sonic style movement, rails and obstacles so the linearity of the corridors in FF13 is more fun to experience

>>713619970
What fucking stance?
You really think fucking Golden Sun is a good series? You whine about Dragon Quest disappearing when it's still being made to this day?
You're a fucking clown.

>>713620052
Their idea of a good video game is Minecraft and open world survival crafters like Valheim. So yeah. They didn't grow up in the 80s and 90s

>>713603286 (OP)
>Source: Some Literally Who on Twatter

>>713620112
Sagabro...please

>>713619986
they didn't hire her retard, they asked her to voice a trailer for free.

>>713620116
E33 is literally "boy i wish we were FF" the franchise and fanbase. Square isnt threatened by flattery.

>>713603286 (OP)
These threads, man
SE will never die
FF will always be king
Always in the center
Always to be put above the other franchises

>>713620112
Why is Guy holding a gun?

>>713620242
retard

>>713620052
Tiktok and social media. It's happening yo us to but at least our brains developed first. The future is watching ecelebs fast paced gaming.

>>713620112
FF2 is a poorly made blueprint for a much better series you should actually fucking play instead of trying to pretend you're hardcore.
There's zero reasons to play FF2 when the SaGa series exists.

>>713620128
>you only want AAA graphics
>no actually I bought and enjoyed these games with simple graphics
>you hate them because they’re not ff!!
>why aren’t you buying dq11?!
I did. schizo

>>713619990
You're forgetting that world doesn't have internet. A lot of people dismiss information when they have the collective knowledge of all human history in their fingertips, let alone in a medieval setting where it's easier to call bullshit and go back to tending to the sheep.

>>713620118
>WOOOOOAAAH I NEVER MEANT TO BRAAAAAG BUT I GOT HIM WHERE I WANT HIM NOOOW!
>WOOOOAAAH IT WAS NEVER MY INTENTION TO BRAAAAG TO STEAL IT ALL AWAY FROM YOU NOW

>>713619986
you know you can just say that you don't like the game without being a complete schizo. it's ok to do that.

>>713620279
Look at it and tell me it doesn't look like some weird, fantasy gun

>>713620242
You see, it was the style at the time.

>>713619315
It’s truly a shame that combat like Rebirth is being replaced with parryslop like Expedition 33, I’ll admit. Square's idiocy for not releasing on PC day 1.

I can already see the YouTube video essays in 10 years calling it “ahead of its time.”

>>713620238
something tells me this isn't your first post ITT

>>713620362
>be retarded like me!!!
no

>>713620310
>>713620118
kino
https://youtu.be/7rZM_aWpYu0?si=flPbpJn6fMmxDD3U&t=151

>>713620309
Ok better example.
>What? Four legged animals that were often used as mounts? Anon, horses were never real."

>>713620283
I take it you don't have very many friends.

>>713620198
Uh?? Why did he so called billionaire nepo baby had to go to /r/RecordThisForFree for voice overs??

>>713620379
well squares honeymoon with sony is finally over. e33 may be mediocre but I won’t call it parry slop because paper mario 64 and ttyd are great games

>>713620118
I would be fine with XIII if they just removed auto battle and added more shit you can do and go back to before the calmpulse lands
ie let me fight the rest of the falcie and make cid a superboss rather than letting him get away with killing himself

>>713620282
>>713620167
Which turn based game will you give first to your children

>>713620379
Yeah you can stick to those Kingdom Hearts 2 FM threads and keep sucking Nomuras dick. No one here likes this crap. Get back to turn based

>>713620494
I take you're absolutely fucking mad after being exposed as a massive fraud

>>713603286 (OP)
Even the haters can't stop talking about Final Fantasy. It is literally the KING of all vidya franchises.

>>713620526
I already play dnd with my 6 year old. I think that technically counts.

>>713618192
>found on Reddit
Lmao no wonder the game reeks of it. Shitty writing.

>>713619689
You do know Final Fantasy isn't the only franchise Square makes, right? They have and make like 15 other RPGs that are turn-based. Unless for some reason nothing matters to you unless Final Fantasy is turn-based. In which case it seems less like you really love turn-based games, and just like and want Final fantasy specifically to be turn-based.

>>713619487
>a hundred
the game literally postulates that people will continue being stupid and warring over everything even if magic is gone, why do retards keep acting like the ending isn't potentially millenia later when the setting already shows a much more advanced civilization that basically completely disappeared?

>>713620242
E33 fans, everyone

>>713620526
In order to develop my son's brain, I will force him to play through FF6, Chrono Trigger, and Persona 5 (to make sure hes not gay, and he likes dating girls). Also, he will not play mobile games or watch streamers

>>713620645
Haha, doubling down on being an autistic sperg I see. This is a Mongolian Basket weaving forum, quit being a lonely angry autistic genetic deadend and have some fun. 90% of the things posted here are fiction newfag. Learn to laugh.

>>713619689
world of ff and XIII-2 were both turn based and came out last decade retardbro

>>713620717
yeah but dragon warriors 3 was better than dragon quest 7 and everything since has just been a copy of 7 and it’s not that interesting to me. they’ll never make another monsters game

>>713620794
Anon, the crossbow has a fucking barrel

>>713603286 (OP)
don't trust squenix. they're Californian based. they'll bring back their esg as soon as possible

>>713620526
FF2 or Labyrinth of Touhou 2

>>713620506
Idiot, why would he waste his money on shit he could get for free? You think billionaires are charitable?

>>713620808
Based

>>713620857
They literally made dqm 3 last year

>>713620857
>likes monster games
>doesn't mention dragon quest 5
are you retarded?

>>713620906
>don't trust squenix. they're Californian based. they'll bring back their esg as soon as possible
Then Barry will obliterate them

>>713604205
I'm here to also say stagger is dog shit and I hope it never returns. What an unsatisfying gameplay mechanic.

>>713620997
they're already compromised. don't hold your breath

>>713620896
meds

>>713620659
Yep, that counts. I grew up with the D&D cartoon before playing any RPG actually.
>>713620808
Whether a shitpost or not, I wouldn't allow any child to have unsupervised access to a smartphone until they're 16. A tablet with severe limitations is fine for any age, though.

Thinking about the number of people who grew up with "watch this ad before continuing your game" because of mobile games is asinine. While it affects the third world who can't afford real games, ask yourself if a child would be happier with ad/F2P gacha shit instead of just shelling out money for a full game experience. Any cheap game from the last 30 years should be enough for any type. Zoomers got fucked so hard and Gen Alpha is getting a second taste of what mobile gaming and "f2p" forever games are on consoles/PCs like Fortnite.

>>713620526
Pokemon obviously duh.

>>713620485
>What, like a dog but 10 times bigger? No animal that big could support its own weight, let alone another person on top.
>But they were real, not that long ago. Look at this drawing I found!

>>713620757
The game is set in a late medieval/pre-renaissance period. They also already know about gunpowder, how combustion works and have mythril powered engine. If it were a thousand years later, it's be more modern looking or at least Victorian era looking.

>>713621032
he refuses to acknowledge his failure

>>713620896
I posted that pic and always thought it was a gun too Anon. Just some kino 80s fantasy.

>>713603286 (OP)
Does that imply that Dragon Quest XII wasn't supposed to be turn-based or that the game didn't start it's development yet?

>>713621032

>>713620821
Oh don't worry, with clowns like you who pretend to be le ebin oldfags as a last resort to save face on an anonymous imageboard I have no shortage of material to laugh at.
Next time take just stop posting and have some decency.

>>713620397
I believe you, i bet you have been paying close attention to this thread all day lol

>>713620928
I mean they donate billions to charity. How much have you donated?

>>713621098
>And all the statues
>And paintings
>And carvings
>And figures
>And crests

>>713621178
>dq11X
I'm sure they won't tell us. it should have been out by now so my guess is no.

>>713621247
>he thinks they do it for the good of the people

>>713620112
Jesus Christ it does look like a weird shaped gun

>>713621052
Unsatisfying? Its the most satisfying

>>713621279
Completely unrelated but how cool are dragons? Man, I wish they were real.

I don't get it.
Who won?
Who lost?

>>713621229
So you've entered the "everyone's a liar" era of your sad angry lonely isolation. The part I dont get is you must know your awful at reading people, always awkward in public, 20 yrold virgin with no friends. Yet you are a keyboard expert? Delusional, LOL.

>>713621369
its a flying ship. he is just doing a martial arts fist pose, that guy is a physical fighter there is no guns you can wield in FF2
dude starts with an axe but he is good as a puncher too

>>713620112
>never played 4 because plebbit said it was misogynistic lgbhiv+ not accepted

>>713621454
Given the strangely similar depiction/role dragons have in countries that had zero connection until the middle ages... I'm honestly thinking something has to exist that was similar

>>713621095
Are you going to give your first born child the original Pokemon games or the more up-to-date quality of life Pokemon experience? You suffered through bats with Zubats and HM slaves, shouldn't your kid too?

>>713621537
You almost got me

>>713621537
His right hand is grasping a handgrip

>>713603286 (OP)
FF rebirth tried to combine the old turn based with action and failed horribly, Expedition 33 showed them how to do it.

>>713621582
Still, we don't really believe they existed despite countless stories and depictions. Anyone who says they saw one would be called a drunk at best, a schizo at worst. At most there was some big lizard that has since died out that spawned the folklore but even then we'd probably have more details. Either that or some dinosaur that took its sweet time to die out.

>>713621565
I respect 4 fags but it's bottom 3 for me. Way too short, and I hate the main character / story. I don't know what Im missing?
I still rank it higher than 13 and Origins though. Also the grave on the mountain part was absolute kino.

>>713621663
>>713621650
its a crossbow stop coping

>>713621618
Pokemon Emerald because that is the best one

>>713621954
Yeah, but if horses just vanished one day people wouldn't think they never existed in a hundred years

>>713603286 (OP)
I have a feeling they'll just make another feature-lite, convoluted time ghost story vetted by California advisors. But it will be "turn-based" like the filthy gaijin want, and then they'll act surprised when it doesn't sell gangbusters and slip back into "people don't want turn-based games".

>>713619567
>jrpg
>action button mashan

>>713621998
I just downloaded some handheld Emulators. After Fire Emblem Emerald is top of my list. I quit playing after silver.

>>713620526
Wizardry 4.

Why are you people trying to deflect to crossbows? FFII doesn't have crossbows.

>>713622116
Like with the dragon example, maybe they did but why would we believe it? A hundred years is a short time but in a medieval setting, where people are unlikely living that long to begin with, information would be lost pretty quickly and facts turned to myths.

>>713621892
I disagree >>713619820

>>713603286 (OP)

Square Enix never stopped making RPGs with turn-based combat. But they also know that big selling games like CoD, Fortnite, Genshin Impact, Wuthering Waves, Elden Ring, Resident Evil and others are usually action based games, whether they be adventure or RPG games.

Also, Expedition 33 has sold like 3.3 million in about a month while Metaphor Refantazio has sold about 2 million. Although both are critically acclaimed, they have not sold as well as more action oriented games.

Maybe Final Fantasy 17 should be release in 2026, but with a smaller budget and should be turn-based. Square Enix should still make action oriented games since they have made those types of games in the past. Games like The Bouncer and the Kingdom Hearts series are action oriented games and so were their Tomb Raider games. Even their most popular recent game is Nier Automata which is an action oriented game with RPG elements.

I just looked up how many units Square Enix sold with the Tomb Raider reboot and they sold 14.5 million units while Shadow of the Tomb Raider sold 8.9 units. Why did Square Enix sale the Tomb Raider franchise off to some libtards who are going to make Lara Croft look like a troon in the new Tomb Raider game?

>>713605898
>The smaller names moved to Bandai Namco, Capcom and Nintendo.
>The big names became independent.
>Sakuguchi took personal blame on the movie failure, even considering all the changes in the movie's structure was approved by Squaresoft, and left before the things get worse.
>Hiroyuki Ito, for some reason, stayed in the company, but it has been twenty years since the last time he worked in a game.

I'm still unsure why Enix bought Square and put some Dinosaur names that effectively tanked that company, but here we are, with Square having to rely on Nintendo to survive for the fourth time in their history.

>>713611236
>XVII
will be an mmo.

>>713622508
Such a good post than you get to the last paragraph. You poltards really are broken. I bet you were happy once.

>>713621582
I'm skimming through the wiki page for dragons out of curiosity for when they first showed up and there's an interesting theory that part of why they're recurring across multiple cultures is that they actually found dinosaur fossils and built a mythology around them. Finding something that big long dead certainly would've been prime material for a creation myth or two.

>>713603286 (OP)
>says they value turn-based games
Well yeah, they still make them, Bravely Default, Dragon Quest, Octopath. Retards hear think those don't count because they don't say "Final Fantasy" on it.

>>713622339
Yes but if you lived ina society that heavily relied on horses like how the people in XVI rely on magic then no. People would be questioning that shit for centuries before they became fiction.

>>713622716

Wtf? The libtards gave Lara Croft a freaking troon face.

>>713622928
and I bet you were happy once.

>>713622803
That's probably the case.

>>713622803
Nice theory but dinosaurs werent discovered until the 1800s and there is zero evidence anyone had possession of fossils before that. Much less being able to have any idea what they belonged to. Dinosaur fossils are exceedingly rare period, complete ones are jackpots, and dont even form in all the places that have dragon mythology.

>>713603496
LMAO

>>713623505
It's possible some were discovered but either lost to time or just destroyed by whoever conquered them afterwards. Plus some creative liberty in filling in the gaps. Consider yourself lucky our idea of a dragon isn't pic related.

>>713622848
>retards hear think
Nigger