https://x.com/eorzean_info/status/1937724333163708585

Dawntrail is just a sacrificial lamb. We will be eating good, boys

>>713607970 (OP)
just have to wait 2 years :)

>>713607970 (OP)
>"It'll eventually be good I swear"

You can't patch a bad game good

>>713608030
let them cook

sure, 100% this time

>>713607970 (OP)
i'm enjoying dawntrail so far tho? even the recent msq is good
tho idk if 7.3 and 7.4 and so on will carry that forward

>>713609265
I'm sorry to tell you this but you may be retarded

>>713609567
nah

>>713609265
yeah, i like everything so far except the forked tower and chaotic AR

I don't have the faith they even know what all the problems are, let alone the correct solutions

>>713609639
yeah, forked tower was a misstep (even if they gave their reasons) and chaotic I just see as a neutral thing since I won't do it but the raidbucks I guess might like it so to them it's a positive
7.0 and 7.1 msq aside, I've been having fun. there are a few things I hope for that I'm not sure about (2 variants/criterions, a new instance in 7.45 that has both modes and not just one in 7.55)

>yeah we are currently working YoshiP to death by forcing him to work on FF16, FFT, more unknown projects and FFXIV at the same time but we expect this exploitation to have its benefits for XIV later down the line

What did he mean by this?

no it won't be
i love ffxiv but 8.0 won't do anything differently, even if they rework the combat they'll have this stupid shit where some old fight is broken and it's too much to fix so they won't change it
this is because they have so much old code that they don't know how to work with it, it'd need an ARR tier rework for it to try anything new with what people want
safest bet and what i wish they'd do is to add phantom jobs to the base game

>several concurrent jobs
oh boy, more remakeslop

>>713607970 (OP)
Words cannot describe how glad I am to have never bought shittrail.

NO NO NO JANNY A FFXIV THREAD WAS POSTED FFS DELETE IT NOW !!!!!!!!

But they said before that Yoshida and the team working on 3 different games didn't affect the development of FFXIV?

>>713609919
SE shat the bed too hard with things like NEO TWEWY, Harvestella, Soapstar, Balan and the likes - they now force Yoshida to spearhead literally every project expecting that to solve every problem

>>713610002
You think SE might have lied?

>>713609894
it means SE is incredibly terrible at managing their employees and they don't have enough to spare to help the workload

>>713609903
Maybe it's time for people to accept that if they don't like FF14, they don't like FF14.
Anyone expecting it to be completely different in 8.0 or any point in the future should just move on.
The most they can expect are changes to job design, instanced housing and other QoL improvements, maybe slightly more use of custom animation/mocap in cutscenes? The rest will remain the same-ish. Maybe at some point they'll yoink GW2's mount system as well just to have something. Maybe at some point they'll make overworld zones more like optional forays.
But that's about it, and that's me being optimistic.

>>713610002
In other news Square Enix claims one thing while the opposite is happening for the 20th year in a row!

>>713609776
>FT misstep
>CoDCAR neutral
bro both were supposed to be experiments to bring new and fun contents to do, both missed them marks so much, especially CodCAR
>Make Alliance raid fight
>Mandatory 24 players
>Towers/soft body checks
>Progging of hell with 23 retards
>You do have reward, but they are only useful for people wanting BiS for FRU (which is also turbo easy compared to the 2 last ULT)
>Isn't FOMO, but is dead months after
>Rewards scale based on how many new clears there are, incentivizing rushing the content asap
Seriously, what was wrong with them when they did that? I don't want to see this PoS content ever again.

FT is also backpedalling from Bozja and even Eureka. Clearly the game is regressing because japanese people don't seem to be able to critically think anymore.
AND they put the TT card in FT, that's the worse offense of all.
Fuck this game.

>>713610150
i believe that too
it's what i've been saying since endwalker, they're too deep into what the current game is that any changes to the job system or fights are not going to happen the way they want it
anyone that plays the game long enough can see this, at best we get new stuff like occult
it's an mmo and the mmo market is huge, not every mmo is for everyone, if people don't like the shb combat they won't like ew or dt and whatever comes next, it's time to accept that and move on

>Earn all your money from 14
>Should be reinvest some of it to make sure the game keeps being successful?
>Nah fuck it, lets make another NFT game

>>713609265
this is 4chan, especially /v/ you're not supposed to think anything is good. hating everything for no reason and hating things that are actually flawed 10 orders of magnitude more than is healthy or normal is the "meta", you see? so nothing is good, and something that's been mostly good, sometimes incredible, but had some stumbling recently like ffxiv is "unironically, literally a thousand times worse than being skinned alive". learn the "meta".

you could always try the /vg/ thread, but it's mostly devolved into a weird social thing that feels like a highschool dance at all times, if 95% of the people at the dance were hopeless nerds and the other 5% were hopeless nerds pretending to be cool and popular girls

>>713610260
They know that without bullshit penalties, people will just find ways to work around the actual mechanics anyway and then bitch about it being easy baby mode.
Look at Forked Tower. It's basically a spruced up Alliance Raid. People said to get rid of the penalties, but then it's pretty much just an Alliance Raid, which people call "babyfied casual slop" as is.

Only chance the game has to be fixed is if the mobile version is made with the intention to port the backend to the PC version
The game's code was fucked from the start and they can't fix it without a full rewrite

>>713610341
>you're not supposed to think anything is good
This is a lie. If there are enough paid shills or it is softcore porn, you must like it, no matter how shit the actual game is.

>>713610150
>Anyone expecting it to be completely different in 8.0 or any point in the future should just move on.
I would say it's still very retarded, because usually most games with updates try to improve things, to shake things up, to make players feel like they play something fresh and newish.
But not this game, no, this game is just
>be japanese
>conformism is king
>be following every stupid little rules
>be following schedules
>never be flexible
this type of thought can't be associated with mmos, it just doesn't match

>>713609265
even if it weren't dt you literally aren't allowed to like xiv patch content on release

>>713610443
anon the mobile game is just chinktrash, if anything it'll be the basis for an offline version

>>713609265
new patch comes out, you like it, some e-celeb says it has issues and it sucks, now you hate it and you parrot that opinion on 4chan

Overblown rage by people too attached to a virtual world. Do something else.

Reminder that the Wuk tranny VA has been jobless for a while. So SE is atleast capable of listening to feedback and reacting to it a few months later down the line. The furry is being written out of the story.

>>713610341
I know it's that way. As a storyfag, 7.0 and 7.1 demoralized me a lot, so it's not like I don't get it. But I know XIV has had low story moments before, and it's come back from them. I'm weirdly optimistic, I guess, because this time the story was so bad that almost everyone universally agreed that it was godawful. Which means there's no ambiguity there.
In the long run, I think that's a good thing. Had we stumbled around with just like.. 6.x-tier story where it's neither great nor appalingly bad, just mediocre, fewer people would have said anything and they'd just have slowly left. Now, at least, it's clear that people are not happy with the story and it needs to be fixed.
On the normal raid side, DT has been a lot of fun. Alliance Raid was alright too, but like with almost every Alliance Raid series, I have no sentimental feelings towards the subject matter.
Occult Crescent has been more fun to me than bad, but I do agree that Forked Tower has issues. Cosmic Exploration is about par for what I expect from the content, and the improvements they're making there (especially to GP) are helpful.
Chaotic was weak, but that's nothing new to me because the way chaotic is treated now is how Criterions were treated in Endwalker. Personally, I always felt it was a shame Criterions were so hostile to entry-level play. Something more EX level would've been nice there. Trials have been good. I loved Zoraal Ja and Queen Eternal as fights. Unfortunately, they just sucked from a story standpoint.

>>713610372
>being easy baby mode
well raidtrannies will always cry they don't have enough difficult content, while most of them can't clear without using plugins, AM, cactpot or even botting the gathering/crafting gear
>NA can't clear DSR (Wroth flames) or TOP (trios) without AM
>AM is mandatory for them, is even in the PF's summary
>every world first ult had some drama
it will always be easy for them because they've been playing the game for 11 years straight, using plugins as much as they can. But calling it braindead is where the hardcore raiders are being the worst retards they could be.

how does this stupid fucking company persist? yakuza money? divine intervention?

>all the raid trannies complained about Endwalker being too easy and there not being enough challenging different types of content
>Dawntrail changes that
>now people complain about dungeons being too hard
>about the space exploration being too much of a grind with players failing their upgrade missions
>the tower in the new zone is basically savage only and so far mere 400 groups cleared the thing globally
Turns out the majority of XIV players are a bunch of shitters who think they are better players than they actually are - by a longshot.

>>713610578
Chinktrash that embarrasses the regular client
They fixed the enemy combat animation issues, and the glamour system, among many other things
People that have played it said it runs like butter compared to what we have now

>>713610653
That does happen a lot, and it's funny. Saw someone who made like a several paragraph post about how great Dawntrail (7.0) was and then a few weeks later when the narrative tide turned, they said it was the worst XIV ever was and a complete affront to their intelligence.
Now, I truly do think 7.0 was broadly pretty awful as a narrative, but that's still pretty funny to me.
>>713610706
I think what's fortunate here is that they don't have to shitcan him. Wuk's spot in the story was probably always going to be dissolved after 7.3. What the community did was 1. push them to try and sideline Wuk as much as they could before removing her outright, and 2. making sure the dude didn't get any more roles.
Take for example Sicard. Sicard is voiced by Zenos' voice actor. Everyone loves Zenos and his voice, so he gets to play more characters. Y'shtola's voice actress, too. She voiced Titania and I think a bunch of other background/blank characters. Feo Ul's voice actress plays Shale.
We could have had the same for Sena Bryer. Wuk could've been gone, but he could've been asked to voice different characters. The community hate for him and his character probably eliminated that possibility, and thank god for that.

>walk 5min
>cutscene 5 min
>combat 30sec
>repeat
and this is for over 200 hours

>>713610843
>well raidtrannies will always cry
True and real. I'd like to see more EX-level content, but I do feel like they're in a difficult spot. Without penalties, it'll all turn into "it's too easy because I can just eat shit and be ressed", and with penalties, people complain that it's ultimate mode. They'll need to think of better ways to hit the sweet spot.
>it will always be easy for them because they've been playing the game for 11 years straight, using plugins as much as they can. But calling it braindead is where the hardcore raiders are being the worst retards they could be.
Especially funny to see them call everything easy when they're plugin'd out the wazoo (and still can't insta-clear it).

>>713610843
as a 5/6 legend, ultimates are good but the reason people want them to be more difficult is just to gatekeep others, you can see this since top days, and i'm not saying look at the e-celebs, the e-celebs share that opinion (arthars which is a piece of shit chink that needs to die) because they want the views, they want the prestige of clearing that ult, and they get it but they don't want your average andy to be "on the same level as them"
in the top discord this was pretty common, people were rooting AGAINST pf clearers and laughed when someone made a mistake and clipped it
with fru, people claim it was easy but it's actually one of the best designed fights in a long time, but since more people were into it they're weaving this tale of it being as easy as uwu
i've said it before and i'll say it again, ults are for your own enjoyment and everyone else, every elitist will try to take that achievement from you or will downplay you in any way, so do them for yourself and whenever you see someone asking for ults to be harder, remember it's not because they want a harder challenge, they just want to be part of something exclusive and their achievement means everything to them because they have nothing else going on in their life

>>713611056
Everything about the 7.2 MSQ update screams damage control honestly
>Wuk still exists but she does basically nothing and gets ignored
>Sphene gets revived who was the most popular new character in the 7.0 story
>new villain sees you as a threat and openly mentions that after the previous story parts treated you like a mere spectator
>"Oh yeah this WoL person is kinda amazing actually we have to watch out"
Most complains regarding the writing get addressed here

>>713609710
To be fair, neither does the doomposters.

>>713607970 (OP)
If this game just fixed the spaghetti code for a glam system akin to wow then it would have a fighting chance. As it stands, lackluster gameplay and story, tranny and legbeard playerbase make it very unappealing

>>713610002
Fantasian Neo and FFT as an extra Producer. Have you been under a rock?

>>713611245
My favorite thing about “spaghetti code” is that it’s unironically a term Reddit repeated until everyone agreed it was true.

>>713611214
>Everything about the 7.2 MSQ update screams damage control honestly
Good.
And yeah, I agree. The fact that Wuk just gets Vaudeville Hooked every 5 minutes. I assure you, pre-7.0 feedback, there would be several sections where she actually blabbed a lot. While it wasn't jarring, it was definitely unnatural and noticeable that she constantly was brushed offscreen by a random NPC.
>Sphene gets revived who was the most popular new character in the 7.0 story
7.2 Sphene makes me like 7.0 Sphene less because while 7.0 Sphene was always artificial, having the real one present really, really emphasized that.
>new villain sees you as a threat and openly mentions that after the previous story parts treated you like a mere spectator
Agree. I remember YoshiP stating that he was kinda trying to echo Emet-Selch vs You with Sphene. Except Sphene is Emet-Selch and Wuk Lamat was your stand-in. And I was so surprised that he had the temerity to say that and not understand why people were upset with that. It basically vindicated everyone who felt like an accessory to Wuk's story in 7.0.
>"Oh yeah this WoL person is kinda amazing actually we have to watch out"
7.2 went hard on the WoL fellating. No doubt that was their way of trying to apologize.
With all that said, there's still this fear that 7.2 was a fluke and 7.3 could be a return to 7.0/7.1 tier writing. Maybe that's paranoia, but after just one patch, I don't want to conclude that we're safe just yet. But I am somewhat hopeful at least.

>>713611403
it's not so much "spaghetti code" but more like
>this person worked on making this whole system
>but we fired them or they left the company
>they didn't comment any of the code
>we don't know what to do with it
and pretty sure they admitted to this a few months back, it's what happened with squadrons

Well, after years, they finally added hats for Hrothgar and Viera, and hair for hoods, so maybe glamour dresser overhauls are not as much of a pipe dream as we think.
Definitely not expecting to see such a thing anytime in 7.x, but maybe 8.0 or 8.x.

>>713611403
>>713611245
The spaghetti code thing is still a lame excuse.
>oh no we cannot give players glamour dressers inside their apartments or houses because multiple people can be inside those houses/apartments and glamour dressers start shitting the server too death if multiple players at the same time have the option to access it cause the game is too badly written to distinguish those different players
I know a very easy solution to that problem.
Just - give players their own solo instance inside their home. A room only they can access. Call it a private studyroom or whatever. That is one single instance which functions exactly as every Inn room and now suddenly players have a reason to sleep and use their own house for something that isn't submarine money grabbing or farming autism.

>>713611523
Yeah that was related to the chocobo racing. I really do wonder what their codebase is.
Another issue is they can only hire those in Japan. Because you have autists that reverse engineered so much with datamining.

>>713611403
Don't really care what the correct term is. As a consumer I just care about the result and they can call it whatever they want with whatever excuse but in the end I just want a result

Any game that has been running for over a decade is going to end up with some bungled, tangled code mess. Especially one that was hastily scrambled together like 2.0 XIV.
I think they're getting to the point that they have to wake up and see that they need to start ripping off the bandaids and really dive in deep and untangle the mess. That it's no longer an option. At least, if YoshiP really wants a somewhat fruitful 10 more years of XIV (like he said he wants).
It's pretty much beginning to hinder them from making all the kinds of changes/improvements the players wish for, and I think some that they want to add themselves too.

>>713611214
7.0 till 7.4 are all written before hand. They are not changing much. Shit 8.0 is worked on right now.

>>713610150
I had this realization back when 3.1 was not only three months late but also shit the bed. Unsubbed and dropped the game until a couple weeks before 4.0 launched. It was obvious the game was never going to change, and that if there was another serious misstep I'd bail again, but at least if the story and music were interesting I could play at surface-level. Well, here we are today. I made it eight days into DT and shitcanned the sub. Only difference from the first departure is that this time I'm not coming back a couple weeks early to catch up. 8.0 has to prove itself first or I'll stay gone.

>>713611835
and that's ok

>>713609265
I like the content and the new Hildibrand.
As for the MSQ I checked out when I saw and heard the tranny cat. I was hoping Krile would take over and become the main character since it's HER earring, HER grandfather and HER legacy, but of course they couldn't let a lala have any spotlight. They'll probably Papalymo her too.

The only interesting aspect to me besides the new villain which is 100% Final Fantasy stock, is the idea of portal travel and making other reflections reachable. I'd really like to see new dimensions that are radically different from the base game in tone and there's a chance that'll happen.

>>713610016
neo twewy and to an extent harvestella were decent games, they were just thrown out of a 40 story window to die like dogs in the street so SE could pad the revenue crater they knew forshitten was going to be

>>713607970 (OP)
They need to just make a new game already. Collab with a western studio so the base game isn't full of spaghetti code while Square does all the asset work

>>713611835
Totally fine. It's best to know what you get and dip out when that thing you're looking for isn't present or is low quality.

>>713611782
Wild idea. But what if that’s what the purpose of mobile version? To recreate things and update the main game over time?

I can see them putting in some of the improvements from the mobile version.
Please no 16 dye channels, though. Stick to like 3 but they affect a lot of stuff. 16 with 14 of them being for separate minuscule elements sounds like a ginormous fucking hassle.

>>713612027
SE didn't give those games any time or budget. Instead they rushed them out of the door and put a 60 dollar pricetag on them. Which can obviously not work. Everyone saw that those are 30-40 dollar games at best. By giving them a full AAA pricetag people held those games to AAA standards which they obviously could not survive.

>>713612039
>western studios
>knowing how to code instead of hiring 50000 pajeets

>>713612093
I don't expect that to be the case. The code can't be directly transplanted since they're different engines and all.
But they can see how those features are received and maybe check out the code and think of ways to implement it into what they have. I think despite FFXIV mobile being panned, just about everyone likes the way the glamour system works, so hopefully they get that message.
We really need more open channels of communication.

The biggest problem I have with 14 right now is that even if 8.0 is a complete godtier expansion in every way, I'd still have to finish 7.0-7.x which would take me dozens of hours probably. I quit after the baby hatchery scene so I probably have like 20 hours left of 7.0 alone.

>>713612012
>likes nu-hildi
>likes lalafell
>likes calyx
jesus fuck your taste is horrid

>>713612152
anon no one "held them to AAA standards", people just outright didn't know they existed. AA games have been full price since the PS3 days

>>713612093
unlikely, people are looking into the mobile version as if it was some savior of current xiv, they're only kidding themselves, se won't learn the proper lesson from it

>over 30 jobs in the game
>still only 20 glamour plates
>in a game where people care A LOT about glamour and outfits

Dude spaghetti code lmao. Game would literally explode if gave player more slots for preset outfits.

>>713612093
I think they're setting themselves up for failure by doing that. It's going to be too slow of a rollout. The players are going to leave for other games long before the mobile version catches up

>X.0 will save the game

gee where have i heard this one before

Except it probably won't. Unless they have a direct team purely on revamping all the jobs, a team purely on applying those revamps towards old content, and a team purely on new content, they're going to flake on something.
Jobs are boring as fuck right now, it took until just a couple weeks ago for ANY casual content for those who don't raid (or lack the time and/or patience for dealing with it) and that content is apparently mediocre to boot, plus yoship is hellbent on making it an action game over an rpg.

>>713612012
Krile really did get felted when she didn't even get to use her own earring but the fucking baby had to do it for her.
Unironicall what were they thinking.

>DT being revealed
>instantly spoil Solution 9
that was so funny and so retarded hahaha
Seems like someone in their team knew DT was weak by itself (even though it's still weak even with the alexandria stuff)
it feels like they really knew it wouldn't go super well, but they probably didn't think it'd be SO bad, since chaotic alliance raid flopped, OC is more than disappointing, and FT is terrible

Don't worry though, they are making the new deep dungeon (still requiring PotD© 50th floor lmao) for the only 10 schizos in the world that like it! THAT will fix XIV!

>>713612375
God these aprils fools jokes were sovl

There better be more waifus and a story that isn't primarily about tolerance and diversity.

Yeah, nah.
They're too far down the road of smoothing down all the rough edges and removing every "barrier" that stopped "people" from playing the game.
They've found themselves with something that no longer appeals to anyone.
All it has left is inertia and that won't last forever.

>>713612450
>(still requiring PotD© 50th floor lmao)
They really need to get rid of this restriction and add a deep dungeon roulette. Pull it in more as a piece of core content, rather than having it locked away.

>>713612535
nope. I believe in the team

>>713612572
but who hasn't done potd 50th floor?

>>713612450
Guess they quickly realized that selling this as an easy-going low-stakes adventure would turn away all the players looking for those big grand-scale adventures so they spoiled everything to catch those players attention.

>>713612596
More the fool you.

With 8.0 you do mean FFXIV-2 right? That game needs to stop being a PS3 game.

>>713612359
typical japanese devs (technically inept)
sometimes, I even wonder if pajeets aren't better than them (well no that's a troll, of course they aren't)

>>713609265
Been skipping cutscenes since 2.2, content's probably the best it's been since launch. Now that races are done, I hope they just do QoL shit.

>>713612628
I think a lot of new players have not.
FFXIV has quite a few avenues of content, but they're treated like a dirty secret.
"M-maybe.. if you'd like to... you can try this deep dungeon as well.. uhm.. maybe this variant?"
Fuck that, just incentivize people to do all that stuff too.

>>713612367
>leave for other games
The only people "leaving" are those that came in during the last big shilling phase when the twitch ghouls made hordes of low IQ fags join. And the "other games" they play are just older titles in their backlog because nothing new is ever good.
Gaming as a hobby is dead because of normies and XIV is not the cause, it's a symptom.

>>713612450
I’m one of those lol. Deep dungeon is cool but they fucked up with HP scaling in EO in floors 1-30 so bad that it killed any use for leveling.
Fuck, I haven’t even gone for the solo clear in that cause of how long the early floors take.
I hate they didn’t do a CLL/Dalriada and instead did a more annoying BA. Cause all you can do in OC is just CEs and mob farming.
Bozja had variety with how the CEs spawned, some having FATEs to spawn them, and then variety in what mobs dropped. OC is a bit too streamlined and there’s no casual stuff to really utilize the phantom actions, like mini dungeons and such.
I’m not even bothering with trying to do FT runs until 7.3 when the 48 instance queue is added. The amount of time trying to queue sync is not appealing and I can work on my other goals.

MMOs are a dying boomer genre. Why are they surprised their boomer franchise boomer game is dying?

>>713609265
imagine being so retarded you can’t even appreciate nuance

I only play the game because i wanna be a girl.

>>713612628
you're supposed to level your jobs from 90 to 100, why does it even matter to have a level 50 feature done?

you're thinking exactly like the japanese devs
>you WILL conform to everyone else
even though they could have made OC level your jobs...

>Even the devs admitted Dawntrail was a flop
sisters????????

>>713612660
The problem wasn't that DT was low stakes, it was high stakes for characters you don't know or care about in a setting you have no attachment to.

>>713609265
How? Legitimately how? Even if you do raid, what are you even doing half the time?
There's literally no content. No meat, barely even scraps. And they clearly have no idea what they're doing when the content they advertise as casual aimed throws ball busting difficulty out of nowhere.

>>713612813
>The only people "leaving" are those that came in during the last big shilling phase
>played since 1.0 Beta
>quit in November
Keep telling yourself that. Game is a genuine mess now.

>>713607970 (OP)
>Come back to XIV after a year
>The MSQ is decent
>Cleared the latest ultimate, it was also a pretty decent raid
You guys literally like nothing, take me back to pre-endwalker when these threads weren't full of annoying niggas.

>>713612848
>I’m not even bothering with trying to do FT runs until 7.3 when the 48 instance queue is added. The amount of time trying to queue sync is not appealing and I can work on my other goals.
The queue will let you get into an OC instance, in there you still have to wait 30-50 minutes until mirage weather is happening.

>>713612930
>stuck out for 1.0 and 3.0-3.3
doubt, unless you're a mega storynigger

>>713612813
TRUTH
>>713612930
Obvious lie

>>713612897
not really, i just don't see anyone that is into that type of content to not have done the previous ones, sure maybe the new players haven't touched potd but it's not like clearing it takes forever, potd 1-50 is piss easy
it'd also teach them the basics

>>713612965
Yeah, so imagine how bad it must be to make me quit?

>>713612872
what do you mean?

>>713612939
>>The MSQ is decent
Not even the biggest yoshitpiss cocksuckers believe this lmao.

>>713612942
Fine by me. Can do CEs until it spawns instead of 30 minutes of entering and leaving.

>>713613046
I'm glad you won't be shitting up my roulettes.

>>713613061
>Buzzwords
OK, buddy.

>>713612915
I would say the "low-stakes parts" of DT were a big problem. Cause those parts were the ones that really treated you the player like a mere spectator with everything focusing on Wuk Lamat and her journey through the country. Meeting all those tribes and learning their customs as if she shouldn't know those already from her life in the capital.
Not only because ignoring the player is generally a bad idea - but it also took away attention from other characters who definitely needed some extra time to get fleshed out like our main bad guy Zoraal Ja.
The Solution Nine/Alexandria stuff is okay - that's not really a big issue, The story simply wasted too much time getting there to make things actually feel meaningful.

>>713612928
Answer this question for me in Shadowbringers or Stormblood.
What were you doing half of the time?

If you failed to make it good 7 times why do you think 8th time will finally make it good?

>game starts to show its age
>dev clearly needs to do something new story and content-wise to bring in new players
>tiny group of no-life raidfaggots screaming that they want all the content or they'll leave (they won't)
>dev folds to appease them and ups the difficulty for all content because they believe that harder equals better, since that's what the no-lifers told them over and over

>>713613160
this message was obviously for the people that actually like xiv.

>>713613079
Hadn't done them for much of anything in like a year, jobs weren't fun to play anymore.
Doing stuff stopped being fun.
And FRU was boring af

>>713613061
The story post-MSQ currently is at least somewhat interesting. But, I'm also comparing it directly to Yawntrail which was fucking dire, so ANYTHING looks better in direct comparison to that.

Major issues
>lack of reinvestment into XIV, diverted resources to other games
>long patch cycles
>inability to deviate from patch formula
>inability to deviate from MSQ formula
>bad MSQ writing
>lack of communication from devs
>not acknowledging common player feedback

Other issues
>not enough content for casuals
>homogenised jobs (supposedly for raid balance, but raiders generally hate the job changes)
>Mr. Ozma's obsession with difficulty: caused CAR to flop, caused FTB to flop, limited the audience for Criterions, caused Eureka Orthos to flop, caused raider burnout with the DSR-p8s-TOP gauntlet
>no live translations of LLs
>server maintenance
>DC travel without cross-DC party finder
>losing your house if you unsubscribe
>shitty glamour system
>abandoned content (GC, Gold Saucer, etc)
>new blacklist fumble
>shitty cash shop

Not an issue
>DT dungeons are too hard
>new relic is too grindy
>plugin use
>subscription fee
>diverted resources to XIV Mobile (no, it's licensed and devved by China)

Good things
>there is actually more content in DT even if it has mixed reception
>graphics update
>story is getting a bit better as of 7.2, Wuk will be shelved after 7.3
>finally fixing viera/hroth hats
>uhhhhhh...

>>713612848
>I’m one of those lol
hey congrats anon, at least you could say that you have custom content for you.
I'm not criticizing you at all (just to be clear), just criticizing SE's priorities (or more, lack-of) all over the place
>I hate they didn’t do a CLL/Dalriada and instead did a more annoying BA. Cause all you can do in OC is just CEs and mob farming.
yeah you and me both... and it's even worse considering it's mostly 1 fate 1 ce up at a time at once... so you're just in a big train that stops for no one. The zone itself seems big, but so empty. They didn't even both doing a CLL-like...

And the farming itself is one of the worse.
>gold farming is snoozefest
>chest farming is the worst of the worst of the worst
I mean, I'm not even surprised. This is coming from the VIDEO GAME companies who make achievements like
>"Kill X a dozen times"
>"Kill X a hundred times"
>"Kill X a million times"
>Reward: title "you fucking moron"

>>713613171
>>dev clearly needs to do something new story and content-wise to bring in new players
>bring in new players
no lol
why? are you jewish or something?

>>713613025
NTA. potd 1-50 might indeed be piss easy, but it still presents an unnecessary barrier. we need content to be less sequestered from the main gameplay loop, not more

>>713613238
I think 7.2 MSQ as a narrative (and also how it was directed) was easily better than all of 6.x, 5.5, 5.4, 5.1. So to me it's not just a "oh, it's good compared to 7.0's lowest sewage lows", but it's the best I've felt we've had for at least 2-3 years now?

>>713613282
why?
you as a player who pays a sub should engage with content, old or new
you want new content all the time when you haven't cleared the old one at all?
i don't get it, same as the people bitching about no 7.3 ultimate when they haven't even cleared the 7.2 savage yet

>>713612939
>take me back to pre-endwalker when these threads weren't full of annoying niggas.
I really do wonder what these threads would look like if it wasn't for the massive flood of WoWFags and retards watching asmongold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMP4HH7mct0

kino incoming, sources say this song plays during at least 20 cutscenes in 8.0

>>713613246
>Mr. Ozma's obsession with difficulty: caused CAR to flop, caused FTB to flop, limited the audience for Criterions, caused Eureka Orthos to flop, caused raider burnout with the DSR-p8s-TOP gauntlet

This is objectively wrong though. CAR is legit extreme tier content. The question is about who Forked Tower is made for. Especially after CAR was created. Just limit it to 24.

>>713613261
MMO players think that these game will attract younger zoomers and alpha kids. It's not happening. The best thing Square, Blizzard, Arenanet and whoever the fuck else can do is just tailor content to the existing playerbase.
And before some faggot brings up Ashes of Creation, it's not happening. It's not the savior. Strap in, cause if you like mmos, the big 5 are the only ones that'll have a playerbase worth a damn from here on.

>>713613246
Call me when they fix long hairs clipping through every 2nd outfit. Some clothes actually have that fixed by adjusting the hair position a little so it's technically possible.

>>713613246
>Good things
Arcadion raid.
(small) Hair under hoods

>>713611207
The funniest part is that even with the current difficulty level on them, a lot of people with those titles are ass at the game. There's a reason any failures of a title holder are mocked to a much greater degree than any burger king crown is.
>>713613136
Can't say as I was not active while those were current.
I can tell you that, back in ARR, I was constantly jumping around from thing to thing.
From CT being an actual time investment, to EXs being more interesting, dungeons actually requiring some thought, special FATEs, relic grinding, hunts popping up, doing tribals that took time to actually clear, etc I was constantly busy.
Nowadays EXs are unfun, the relic almost doesn't even exist, special fates and hunts don't feel special, tribals are like 5 seconds, and even the alliance is boring.
It boggles my mind how the game plays worse than it did in ARR, a game that had worse connection issues and janky job balance.

>>713613025
>it'd also teach them the basics
OR you could alternatively put a non mandatory tutorial at the beginning of the first floors.
OR you could actually USE the novice features to actually TEACH things to noobs.

Bro, you're supposed to level 90 to 100, using a DT feature. You don't go back to ARR to do it. It doesn't matter how easy 1-50 is. You just want to gatekeep yet another feature.
It's exactly like EW with shitterville being mandatory to get the relic. It's easy to do, but IT'S RETARDED.

>>713613390
show me on the doll where Asmongold hurt you. his FFXIV streams were 4 fucking years ago, there isn't an Asmongold boogeyman haunting these threads in 2025

>>713613246
>not enough content for casuals
>homogenised jobs (supposedly for raid balance, but raiders generally hate the job changes)
>Mr. Ozma's obsession with difficulty: caused CAR to flop, caused FTB to flop, limited the audience for Criterions, caused Eureka Orthos to flop, caused raider burnout with the DSR-p8s-TOP gauntlet
Excellent writeup, although I feel these are the major issues that make DT an absolute fail and drive people away.

>>713613131
It’s crazy how obvious it all stemmed from diversity consultants telling the writing to avoid “white savior” stuff or colonialism themes (while forgetting the Wild West was built on that). Then there’s shit like picrel, they did a sweep to make sure all human NPCs are brown. This one was one they missed for her world appearance vs cutscene.
A fun fact I like to share, you do not kill ANY human NPCs in the story or even FATEs in the world. The ONLY exception is the Vanguard boss or undead monsters. Any FATE where you beat up bandits has them run away, not die.

>>713613053
dawntrail story is awful. equatable to are you my mother tier writing

>>713613371
I'm just telling you that for a game, having all of these types of content hidden away and irrelevant makes the game seem smaller and like it offers less than it actually does.
Deep dungeons could work fine as just another type of 4-man content nearly everyone engages in, but it isn't because Square wants it to be its own niche.

>>713609265
Yes 7.3 has been pretty good msq wise, wonder what’s going happen with the new twink and us traveling to different shards

>>713613261
You either get new blood or you end up with a consumer base like WoW's whales. A horrific ogre nest of subhumans too fat, stupid and pathetic to stop, move on or even voice negative opinions because they've invested so much time and money in the game that any criticism of it is a personal insult to them and they'd rather die than voice dissatisfaction. And this stagnates and kills the game, because the devs know they can literally do whatever and the whales will still pay till they have heart attacks and are found fused to their WoW themed Razer chairs.

>>713613545
It started with him, didn't it? I remember during that time he was the big streamer playing it and that's what made it spike up in popularity for a minute. I'm not gonna pretend like that didn't cause any damage because it clearly did to these threads, lmao. The amount of people that participate in bad faith arguments increased tenfold.

>>713613446
I cleared CAR 10 times so I'm qualified to say that phase 1 is extreme and phase 2 is savage. It was a mistake to add mechanics where 1-2 people's failure can wipe the group to a 24-man content and that is the reason why it's dead today. If the whole thing was p1 difficulty you would still see regular parties for it, and it could possibly even by done on Duty Finder which is something this game sorely needs.

>>713613495
True, Arcadion is kino, especially with the announcer. I should have added that.

>>713613131
First part was boring story wise. Latter part was absolutely devestating world building wise and fucked the aesthetics of XIV up for good. We never have to revisit Wuk's trials, but we will always be stuck with Solution 9, its tech and the cavalcade of modern slop it introduced.

>>713613468
Never understood how studios do that
>make a character
>obvious clipping issue from the idle position
???? it always feels lazy to me when I see that.
They could fix it easily by changing the hairstyle just a tiny bit in most cases

>>713613526
You are making me laugh, anon. Sorry.

>>713613460
i agree, we don't need a new audience, we don't need more players, we need people that are interested in what the game offers, not bend the game for people that haven't even started playing it
i hated the wow tourists that shb brought and look at how they shat the game with their demands and their culture
>>713613527
you can clear 1-50 potd in under 2 hours, if you really want to level your jobs you skip one day of roulettes to do potd
in fact you can do it over 5 days, i don't get how engaging with old stuff is inconvenient
>>713613601
i don't think it's hidden away when you spend so much time in south shroud, unless you're actively skipping everything and not paying attention to shit, you can see potd there at all times

>>713613246
>Abandoned content
>GC
I hate it so much.

>>713613576
When I said recent, I meant 7.2.
7.1 and 7.0 were awful, yes. My point is more that I enjoy the content a lot, and even the one bad thing it had going on, it clambered back from a bit recently.

>>713613695
Fully expecting NotKuja to do some shit that limits electrope's use significantly outside of S9. All the faggots walking around in modern clothes are the bigger issue.

>>713613684
I was so devestated when I talked my casual friends into trying CAR together, and them actually having success in p1. Then p2 hit and they bowed out because it was too much. It is so frustrating, because it would be such a good content to give people more confidence with harder stuff and maybe get them to try savage/criterion or any of the other high end combat. I can not overstate how much a mistake "oops, it turned out savage!" was and how much doubling down with FT:B hurt the game.

>>713613715
Yeah most of the time you just have to lift up the hair a little when that specific outfit is equipped to make it not look like shit/have it break through the fabric. You would expect those devs to care considering how important fashion is for the XIV community but somehow even brand new outfits - EVEN STORE OUTFITS - still have this issue.
You are charging 8-15 bucks for a single outfit only for that outfit to look like absolute trash for like 30% of hairstyles. This is something you charge extra money for - not some random dungeon drop trash.

>>713613446
>CAR is legit extreme tier content
it will never be extreme tier content, with mandatory 24 persons, towers (even if they don't instantly kill 2 is a wipe) and yeah the individual platforms too. This part will never be an extreme, never. THIS is the most problematic part. THIS is the part when you understood that nobody at this company knows what level of difficulty they want to bring.

>>713613746
>i don't think it's hidden away when you spend so much time in south shroud, unless you're actively skipping everything and not paying attention to shit, you can see potd there at all times
It should be almost as normal to engage in as regular dungeons.

>>713613835
electrope doesn't appear to be super useful outside of the dome anyway. it does convert lightning to other elements but we're never told how efficient it is

>>713613390
Still would have annoying doomfags, but it'd be like 2 posts every 30 posts, instead of 7 posts every 10 posts.

>>713613746
>i hated the wow tourists that shb brought and look at how they shat the game with their demands and their culture
It's a both ways issue. I play both games, every time some retard wanted M+ in WoW I rolled my eyes, now I'm seeing tourists who stopped by FFXIV during covid crying for Blizzard to remove trash packs from raids or turn them into single boss arenas. Both games have their strenghts, flaws and clear design choices, and it's really tiring to see people demand FFXIV become WoW or vice versa.

>>713613684
Phase 2 is barely a savage fight. Only because they added a "small" body check makes it savage. I believe that you barely did any other content in the first place. Even with a lot of fuck ups you can still clear it fine.
>>713613864
The only argument that I am seeing, it's literally "body check = savage difficulty." Which is not the case at all.

>>713613910
what about juno? you know, the alliance raid
where notevilservant lezard guy remade FFXI in not america?
Maybe we should ask him to fix the game with electrope

Can we get a "Ganbatte intern-kun!" for the little guy who's single-handedly adding DT materials and dual dye channels to every single ARR, HW, StB, SB and EW item by hand?

>>713610341
>>713610505
>>713610653
>>713612713
Fully agreed.

So who is the guy who made the un-4channy statement that FFXIV is losing players and quality? Can we revoke his shares? Can we also impeach the dipshit who responded to him? We in the FFXIV Movement will not tolerate dissent of our game, even if it’s from shareholders, the director or the CEO. We are a fucking MOVEMENT.

>>713614006
he's hanging out in a void that appears to be connected to the golden city thats on the source. lots of electrope to use there

>>713609265
I don't really get the hate.
MSQ and wuk lamat is the only part of it that kind of sucked balls. And its something that took like 3 days at the start, and not even a day every major patch since. And now its over with so who cares

All of the actual gameplay content so far has been a lot of fun, as good or better than similar offerings in ShB/EW

>>713613910
Well for example, if you need wings you need only make them.

>>713614032
>by hand
Lol

>>713613985
>The only argument that I am seeing, it's literally "body check = savage difficulty." Which is not the case at all.
it is, because it's 24 people, because there are 12 towers. What more do you want? And don't forget the middle itself, with the tiles, require a specific number of people for the stacks or they'd die (with, you know, towers after/before)

You don't see it because just don't want to acknowledge how shitty codcar is.

>>713614032
The only guy who gets a ganbatte is that ONE guy who made exclusive beach sandal-boots for best girl in his overtime.

>>713614093
why does she need wings if she already floats

>>713614032
I'd rather give a "ganbatte intern-kun" to the people doing the graphical updates for zones, NPCs and gear.
They need to use more of that crystal shader, though. Why's it only on aetherytes?

>>713613975
Happens every time.
Gotta appeal to those that don't enjoy your game and ruin it for those that do in the process.

>>713613975
>and it's really tiring to see people demand FFXIV become WoW or vice versa.
Hear fucking hear. Let games be good at what they do instead of trying to turn them into clones of one another.

>>713614073
What gameplay content? The dungeons that were fun a couple times until the way gear works scaled it out?
The extremes where one idiot can ruin the entire fight?
Or how about the jobs that are completely unfun to play now and their identity gets ruined because "they can't keep up with the content identity"?

>>713614073
Fully agreed. I love doing the same shit over and over again while getting nothing in return. That’s why we still have more players than WoW. FFXIV has its highest population if you take out the COVID and post-COVID years. FFXIV is such a fun game, I just can’t stop having fun doing the same thing I was doing in ARR.

>>713614108
I just don't see it because I've cleared it so many times when it was released, and I've noticed how lenient it is. The only "hard" part, calling it hard in the first place, is also an insult. It's the first set of towers, and it was always funny seeing retards taking 10 years to go and sit in the tower when you have all the time in the world to do so.

>promised a vacation expansion with a crash episode where the WoL would get to see the girls in bikinis and play volleyball and eat chilled watermelon
>we play chaperone to a mentally ill tranny cat with two dads the whole time

Why

>>713613851
This exactly. P1 was so perfect as challenging content for casuals and then they hit the P2 wall and are naturally put off.

>>713613985
>I believe that you barely did any other content in the first place
I've cleared 4 savage tiers, 2 ultimates and all 3 criterions, so I know how to raid. Your next line will be that my opinion is invalid because I haven't cleared TOP.

>"body check = savage difficulty."
Yes.

The playerbase yearns for content which doesn't require a raidplan/video guide. Casuals could learn p1 with just a few basic instructions from a friend and have fun jumping in to a prog party. The difficulty of p2 is why the content is dead - it's annoying as fuck to farm when you require 24 people to play consistently.

Stop making large scale content where one single retard can wipe the entire team.
It's just that simple.

>>713614306
you don't have an opinion if u didn't dsr or top on patch and I'm not even that guy

>>713614383
But if you do that people will complain and say you made it too easy!

>>713614437
>people
Raid trash aren't people.

>>713614296
>I just can’t stop having fun doing the same thing I was doing in ARR.
This but unironically.

>>713614306
NTA but yeah I was saying that earlier that FT should’ve been like castrum lacus latore or Dalriada. Then maybe an optional savage (maybe when they added the new jobs in 6.45)
Hell it’s what they’re doing for deep dungeon 4. An unlocked savage boss after clearing.

>>713614303
>I just don't see it because I've cleared it so many times when it was released
It's not about how it is clearable (because obviously, it is), it's about how toxic this part is for supposed midcore.

well go try to do it again
oh well, you can't, because no one plays this anymore. You probably rushed it, especially considering the rewards scale with the numbers of new clears (not FOMO by the way)
Now imagine trying to prog this content now. You can't. No more progs. Because the P2 is the worst thing they can do. That's it.

Is it the most difficult mech? no, but it's so cancer it shouldn't be here, especially since
>you NEED TO QUEUE as 24 people
>DEAD content

>>713607970 (OP)
>random twitter account
MMO players really are fucking morons

>>713613684
What's the alternative though?
As much as I hate the "1 person fucked up and we wiped lolxd" shit, its still better than the alternative of "you literally don't matter at all, we can clear this with you on the floor"

I don't think its reasonable to start adding personal responsibility at an EX level and onward. Its actually the best place for them, because dps checks are very lenient and people that are newer or bad can put most of their focus on just doing the mechanic right without.

>>713609265
Yea the patches have been pretty good. But ofc many still pretend we are in 7.0 which was almost a year ago now.

>>713607970 (OP)
Nah, games still full of cheaters. Let it die, nothing of value will be lost.

>>713614304
Because having a beach/vacation expansion in South America is racist. It brings to mind colonialist tropes that indigenous lands only exist for the entertainment and enjoyment of the white man.

You might not have noticed the colonialist tropes, but Sweet Baby Inc did. That’s why they re-wrote the entire story to be less racist.

>>713614627
A lot of them probably won't give XIV another shot until 8.0. 7.x as a whole is ruined for them.
Which is fine, but not everyone feels that way. I'm still giving 7.x a shot. Just like 4.0 was awful but 4.x was mostly great.
If the story with 7.3, 7.4 and 7.5 goes 7.0 level again, or they start stumbling hard, I will see myself out until at least 8.0, though. But I said I'd give them a chance until 7.2, and 7.2 has been good for me. So here I am.

>>713614306
If your idea is that casuals want content that doesn't require any raidplans/video guides. Then MSQ, Alliance Raids, Fate spam it more up their alley. If you take away any type of difficulty from said content, it just becomes like the rest of the story content already is. Body checks don't make it savage difficulty. Because otherwise, a lot of the fights that came out in Arcadion savage themselves according to your idea can't be considered savage.
>>713614618
The idea that you have to queue as 24 people is fine, way better than having to queue as 48 for content like Forked Tower, Delibrum and such. If you ask me requiring more than 24 it's the true mistake.

>>713614626
This stuff is so hot and I wish people had done this to me when I was still playing.

doomtroons lost btw

>>713614737
unironically the best and only moment this game is playable is the .55
You get to do all the cool stuff, the expansion is cheaper, more people are here for the hype of the next expansion
you just need to stop before the next expansion hits though

>>713614548
We could have a new instance in 7.45. DR was added in 5.45 after all.

>>713614737
A lot of them don't do it because casuals are the actual doomposters of this game. If the story sucks, the whole expansion is doomed and called shit. If the story is good, then there's no problem with the game itself and everything is fine.

>>713614906
I can see that argument. In DT, that's probably gonna be the second and last Occult Crescent zone, probably a Variant&Criterion, Beast Master being out and the last Ultimate for DT being added.

I quit 3 years ago but I still pay a sub to keep my waterfall house on balmung

how cucked am I

>>713614737
I'm in the boat of trying to justify spending a month on the game for a sub, even if it's like $12.99 since I use the direct Crysta pay method, simply because I don't have the urge to sit down with FF14 when I've got other shit on my lap like Warframe. I hear the patch stories are mostly better, if a bit retarded on a certain front, but honestly 7.3 in August should theoretically be a prime time to just say fuck it and sit down through the stuff I haven't played at all since the DT launch month.

>>713614548
>Hell it’s what they’re doing for deep dungeon 4. An unlocked savage boss after clearing.
We really can't go a single patch without content for the beloved savage raider community. Imagine if Arthras or Xenos would make a mean tweet?!

>>713614624
>"you literally don't matter at all, we can clear this with you on the floor"
Actually, this is what dps checks best counter.
>Too many people dead too long? No clear.
Is better because it at least gives people the opportunity to learn through doing.
They just need to put more effort into the ilvl limits (min and sync) and force a ranged requirement through other mechs because of the current dps balance.
Less strict but requiring more clears for the rewards is probably healthier for the content overall.

>>713615013
You could also wait until like 7.35, when all of the 7.3x content should hopefully be in (deep dungeon, beast tribe, whatever else there'll be if anything), OC and CE fixes.

>>713614830
You can make content that requires learning, but doesn't require autistic, out of game resources, you know.
>>713614627
>>713614737
The patches have NOT been good outside of a less shit MSQ, what the fuck are you retards talking about?

>>713614878
>>713614626
>people fetishize healers and make them super sissys
>when in realizy healers in MMOs are the biggest control freaks and cunts imaginable who will mock you and rage at you for not playing the game perfectly

>>713614830
>The idea that you have to queue as 24 people is fine
yeah I was mostly talking about finding 23 other people, for prog, months after it's dead (but still for the same expansion, which is very funny but sad)
>48 for content like Forked Tower, Delibrum and such
yeah.... clearly the game isn't made for that. I can't wait to see how bad the UI will be to queue as 48 people for FT in next patch, since yoship himself said it'll be very bad

>>713615110
>the main problem with Dawntrail was the MSQ
>the MSQ improves greatly
>patch is good
Shrimple as.

>>713614624
>What's the alternative though?
With FT, it would be mindboggelingly easy to get personal stakes into that: You get a personal coffer of gold pieces at the end of the tower run. When you die a certain % gets lost. There, now you want to stay alive so better pay attention.

>>713607970 (OP)
Predict the 8.0 job teaser they'll drop soon.
Note: TEASER not TEASRERS. They're going to drip marketing this shit again like with VPR and PIC to drag out hype window.

>>713614619
Agreed. So is it okay if I use your post as a source in the community notes? The original untranslated tweet came from a shareholder and industry reporter, so I will community note him too as well as flag his account.

>>713615009
Pretty cucked but the housing prison is a cruel way to keep suckers subbed. I had a large in my favorite plot and I quit somewhere in the postgame EW patches, I still regret it sometimes so I kinda feel you. Ultimately though it was the right call

>>713614990
>If the story sucks
Then they (the devs) should work very hard at making sure the story does not suck dog dick.

>>713615080
I don't mind it since it doesn't force itself on the regular deep dungeon, but it really is funny.
And they're still bitching because they're not getting an ultimate in 7.3. Which they said they didn't want to begin with.

>>713614626
meanwhile healer in game

>>713615169
The main problems with DT were the MSQ, boring as shit jobs, and severe lack of content.
7.1 fixed none of that and 7.2 has BARELY begun to fix some of it.
Fuck out of here with your delusional bullshit.

>>713615080
It’s funny cause Xeno said Forked Tower was 10/10 and then ragebaits at the live letter and just complained about every little thing.
Another thing that I hate what headlines do, Yoshi-P was talking about QA not catching everything sooner, and everyone extrapolated it like OMG HES APLOGOZING FOR GAME BAD

>>713615110
>The patches have NOT been good outside of a less shit MSQ, what the fuck are you retards talking about?
Besides Forked Tower being really fucking stupid and the FF11 stuff being silly memberberries in a less interesting way than the Ivalice stuff, it sounds like most of the actual content is fine? The biggest reason anyone's actually been flipping shit is more job homogenization.

>>713615272
Hopefully they Hiroi in to the sun

>>713615314
Jobs are not changing until 8.0 so people playing DT made peace with that.
The content is good.
If you don't like it, nobody's forcing you to. Simultaneously, don't force your opinion down our throats either.

I want my wol to fuck Krile so hard it's not even funny. And I want Alisaie to walk in and see that massive midlander cock balls deep in tight, hairy lala pussy mid-nut so that she breaks down crying realizing that she threw away her chance with him by being a standoffish little bitch and not a hot, wet little cum receptacle willing and eager to serve the man who saved the universe, like Krile.

>>713615242
Unironically the best thing they could do for the game is not add new jobs in 8.0, and put their full resources and effort into the job rework to make sure everything has a very clear and unique identity and is fun to play.
It'll piss of the "I MUST play what's new exclusively" shitters, and fuel the doomposters. But if they don't fuck it up it'll be best for the game as a whole.

>>713614990
>casuals are the actual doomposters of this game
yeah because obviously the casuals have so much dedicated content for them, especially since, by definition, casuals probably makes more than 70% of the revenue by themselves...
are you a raidtranny?

>>713615318
He will 99% change this tune come 7.4 when he wants the media tour invite again. It really is tiring how streamer grifters operate.

>>713615382
>Simultaneously, don't force your opinion down our throats either.
He said, belittling everyone who doesn't agree with his take that DT content is great.

>>713615169
No, MSQ was the glaring issue with the expac but without the MSQ to keep everybody satisfied they started looking at all the other problems that have been present for a VERY long time. Actual gameplay issues.
Job design, fight design, general balance, system issues etc.
People have paid attention to those now more than ever.

>>713615318
>It’s funny cause Xeno said Forked Tower was 10/10 and then ragebaits at the live letter and just complained about every little thing.
The motherfucker has no opinions of his own. He's honestly become a cancer to the game. Him and his community of ffxivdiscussion mongrels.

>Criticize FFXIV
>They'll make a ton of excuses
>Actively try to lie to you
>Do anything to deny any and all wrongdoing by Square

>Criticize WoW
>Yeah it sucks here but my raid lead lets me come because I'm quirky with it
Why? Every other fandom is willing to accept sometimes their game has shortcomings.

>>713615382
Retards being retards does not change the jobs sucking and it being a big part of the issues with active gameplay. Dealing with mediocre content is a lot easier if the jobs are interesting to play.
>The content is good
The content is not good.

>>713615450
If you feel belittled by me and some other guy liking what Dawntrail has given so far bar the MSQ in 7.0 and 7.1, then I'm sorry that happened.

>>713615490
I miss XIV before ecelebs.

>>713615318
Telling Japanese people to stop apologizing is futile. Its in their culture

>>713615416
My dumb idea is introducing a subjob system that you can use for anything not the current savage/ultimate raid. Those are balanced around base homogenized kits (until the next one is out) while everything else can just do wacky stuff anywhere. And can do it with blue mage and Beastmaster and stuff.

>>713615416
Honestly I'd rather take that than more stapling shit onto this while most other jobs languish. As much as I want my akimbo autism to eventually manifest as a pure gunslinger, it would be better to seriously overhaul the jobs we already got altogether.
All this downsizing and trimming and trying to make it all ready for raid uptimes at all times has severely kneecapped actually having them do anything interesting. Shit like the Paladin being able to be an emergency healer is neat but almost entirely useless, and that's an exception to the rule.

>>713615578
If you feel people stating that the content in 7.x has been sub par and catering only to a tiny audience is "forcing your opinion down our throats" then you have a very thin skin.

>>713615549
>The content is not good.
I think it's good.

>>713615318
I read an interview he gave to a guy and they were talking about QA and they moved a lot of their QA to ai and that explains so much to me.
So for example they were create bots for Dawntrail to walk the entire zones over and over and over and CS3 would use heat maps to watch them over time if there were any janky areas that needed correcting.

It also explains if they're using ai for QA now why they aren't picking up the basic stuff that a script would miss like the mis-translation in the beast tribe quest where it still had Japanese in the English client.

>>713615591
I did have a sensible chuckle at Zepla's career with the game going the same trajectory as Asmongold. Both got filtered hard by top content (FRU and Mythic Nighthold) streamed lived for the entire playerbase to see and then turned into doomgrifters for their respective games.

>>713615324
>MSQ is shit
>OC is shit - skipped for EW, supposed to be the jewel of the crowns for most casual people - doesn't even have any DR/CLL equivalent for them - CAN'T EVEN LEVEL UP JOBS INSIDE
>FT is shit
>CodCAD is shit
>Cosmic Exploration is shit
yeah the game is doing great! said no one
>4.5 months between patch
>less content
>shit content

>>713615616
Exactly, look at any maintenance updates. “We apologize for any inconvenience.” Even when it’s maintenance ending early. It’s just politeness that westerners don’t get.

>>713615659
>Fuck out of here with your delusional bullshit.

>>713615627
WoW Outlaw rogue is actually getting exactly that now
It unironically made me resub

Season XVI will be hilarious if the losers that got their free Crystal S1 come back to try to get Omega and Ultima for the achievement and plate.
Time to see what happens when you can actually demote tiers, fags, enjoy being hardstuck Plat4. All S1 and S2 Crystal ranks should've been revoked.

>>713615164
The problem is that it does like that, it is the community itself that treats a lot of stuff like FOMO. But I still maintain the idea that having large-scale "difficult" content has to be just 24 men and not 48 like Forked Tower does.
>>713615272
Yes, sadly they have to do that. Because Shadowbringers had a lot of problems as well, but people weren't as vocal as they are now because the story was good, so all those people were keeping their mouths shut.
>>713615417
You actually do. The moon crafting is casual content, the alliance raid is casual content, all the MSQ stuff is casual content, the Occult Crescent outside Forked Tower is basically casual content too. If you don't think so then I have no idea what to tell you.

none of this would have happened if they didn’t hire the tranny voice actor

>>713609265
The expansion is 7/10 at worst. People are freaking out because they aren't the main focus for once and MMOs are played primarily by the mentally ill. Now EW? That was dogshit from start to finish.

>>713615697
Impressive. Very nice.
Now let's see Zepla's numbers.

>>713615514
Because this game is a fucking movement man. If you criticize Dawntrail, you’re basically like Xenos and Zepla, who we ALL hate. Well? You don’t want to be hated by us, do you? Get in line with the fucking movement man, it’s not that hard. Just watch your cutscenes and do your FATE slop. Just follow the fucking rules man.

>>713615828
>More PVP!
>it's just more tiers
>too many high elo players are either wintrading or cheating with plugins
wow this is the pvp update the game needed for sure

>>713615828
They better not be cramming FOMO stuff into ranked PvP again in an attempt to strongarm people into picking it up. The weapon glows are fine. Don't go putting mounts and glams behind it again.

>>713615416
One job or none would be basically required to do what people expect out of job revamps.

Every job does not need a resource bar
The 2m meta needs to go and stay gone
Jobs can be differing difficulties (and I mean drastic diffferences, not DNC to NIN scale)
Jobs can have differing strengths in different content
Healers need real tools and less ogcd shit (and no more of this "muh dps" shit either. Your job is to heal, dps is supplementary. Remove fucking afflictus and let whmfaggots cry that their resource is a damage loss)
Tanks need actual aggro management

>>713615697
Don't know, never cared.
I'm just tired of having to deal with people with no opinions of their own because eceleb shit is gospel truth.

>>713615931
>Extremely anti-cheating to a fault
>Obsessed with game integrity
>Feel completely fine with cheating in FFXIV, automate my rotations and happily use PvP plugins
>Feel zero guilt nor shame about this

>>713615697
>>713615902
Looking at her channel views its obvious. Any time she covers XIV negatively her views go up

>>713615697
>hardstuck on ult
>visibly upset on her stream
>finally quits and gives up on the clear
>her group clears the fight like 2-3 days later with her replacement
>"AKSHUALLY XIV WAS BAD FOR A WHILE I HATE THIS STUPID GAME - ALL I DID WAS IDLE IN THE HUB ANYWAY FUCK YOU I AM PLAYING GENSHIN NOW - ALSO I AM UKRAINIAN AND A WAR REFUGEE EVEN THOUGH I LIVE IN POLAND GO FUCK YOURSELF"

>>713613098
"Cocksuckers" and a nickname are buzzwords now?
Moron.

>>713615514
>criticize ffxiv
basically everyone is criticizing it, DT effectively broke a dam wide open. the most you had seriously defending it at length was the voice acting controversy, anyone else is basically just riding the tide or pissy.

>>713615852
>You actually do. The moon crafting is casual content, the alliance raid is casual content, all the MSQ stuff is casual content, the Occult Crescent outside Forked Tower is basically casual content too. If you don't think so then I have no idea what to tell you.
bro you can be casual and not do that
Moon crafting is especially niche and there was more raiders than anything else there... Remember the first day how quickly it advanced? You really think that's casuals huh?

>MSQ stuff is casual content
no it's for everyone, even if it has been dumbed down in terms of difficulty to make it accessible

>the Occult Crescent outside Forked Tower is basically casual content too
and that's exactly the issue: everybody waited 2 expansions for shit like OC that has less content than bozja had. They can't even do FT, as opposed to CLL.


Bro you're fucking stupid. You're just confusing stuff, thinking
>easy = casual
But it's not always the case, retard.

>>713615828
I cared more about getting Diamond in S5 for the V. Haven’t bothered with ranked since then lol. Too much time hyperfocusing on one thing. I gotta diversify my bonds

>>713615416
At the rate of things I just expect them to make 100+ a bunch of role subclasses. They're retarded enough to forget why every job has a unique weapon family. Please look forward to DPS monks and Tank monks fighting over a boxing glove at the end of a dungeon during 1st week leveling.

well, the thread was good for a little while

>>713616136
>Says nothing of substance as to why he thinks something is bad
You might as well be saying nothing, sorry.

Dawntrail is the best expansion, prove me wrong.
>waaah story/content/etc.
Okay, so you’re Zepla. Look at her channel. Her views go up whenever she criticizes the game. That means YOU’RE JUST HATING OUR GAME FOR ATTENTION. WE LIKE FFXIV. WE LIKE DAWNTRAIL. WE LIKE WUK.

>>713616120
It will never not be funny.
With her book of grudges.

>>713609986
You still actually have to buy and play through it if you want to get to 8.0 and beyond

>>713616261
I can have issues with the game and still call a grifter what they are
Zepla won't sleep with you bro

>>713608297
I'll believe they care when they finally kill the console version

>leave the hag alone
wdhmbt?

really curious how they'll do a story climax with like one patch of buildup

>>713615852
>Moon
Is casual content for a small section of players. Being a focused crafter or gatherer gives you almost nothing to do as it is because you can't make shit for money with either outside of expansion launch or savage patch morning when you can log in at like 2am to sell melded sets. (And money has almost no use anyways)
>alliance
You get to do it once a week. That's not fucking content.
>MSQ
One and done.
>OC
Your only valid example and it took a year to get.

>>713616463
>and it took a year to get.
not a problem if endwalker had a fucking foray

>>713616463
>Your only valid example and it took a year to get.
More like 4 years, since they skipped ew

>>713616009
The simplest solution would be making offensive buffs additive and not multiplicative

zepla is a cancer in the community and always has been
took advantage of the ukraine shit
is a wowfugee rat
bitch is 40 years old and literally an industry plant i don't know who decided listening to this bitch was ever a good idea

>>713616447
>calyxarts tries to go BUT IT'S NEEDED, CAN'T MAKE AN OMELET WITHOUT BREAKING A FEW EGGS
>cal lessen to mee
>FUCK YOU FAGCAT
>cal it's sphene what the fuck is wrong with you
>AAAA IT CANNOT BE YOU BETRAYED ALEXANDRIA I'M MORBIN
>we have to put down calyx i guess

>>713616396
Didn't XI's console versions remain up until online services ended for the consoles it was on.

>>713616659
>FUCK YOU FAGCAT
calyx is now my favorite character

How's Worlo doing these days?
I'm thinking of hopping ship.

Nah, I'm good. I really disliked EW, their shit ass writing and asspulls, I disliked all the post EW story content, and I heavily dislike dawntrail.
By the time 8.0 comes out, that'll be like 4-5 years of shit content that was actively getting worse as time went on. I don't trust Yoshi knows what hes doing anymore, I hate the current writing being done, I hate how bland/homogenized job design has become to cater to droolers at the expense of literally everyone else and overall lack of job identity.

On top of all that, there is NO way SE is suddenly having a change of heart and putting the money the game earns back into the game, they refuse to do it, its funding all their remakes, slop mobile games, and other total blunders AND they refuse to put Yoshi on a single project, so even if he wasn't a shell of his former self, I doubt he'll pull off anything I'd want to come back to.

8.0 is not going to make up for a near half decade of misses for me. I ain't giving SE anymore money.

>>713616396
Not happening, a lot of JP plays on the console version, and the game is completely tied to it unfortunately. the game will always be a shell of what it could be, technically.

>>713616516
Still would have been a problem.
>>713616534
Fair. Plus the EW relic was a shitshow.
>>713616609
Nah, just remove all raid buffs.

>>713616162
That crafting content is basically made for casuals, none else. The fact that it is botted to oblivion is another discussion all together.
And yes, if you want stuff to be actually accessible to everyone, Jimmy TwoFingers has to be able to do it. Meaning that it has to be dumbed down also in terms of difficulty. It's not really hard to grasp. Forgot already that time when EW 6.0 MSQ had soloduties and people cried about the difficulty of those? And we are talking about story content here.
>>713616463
Alliance, MSQ even though one and done it's basically what they think to be casual content. I didn't include deep dungeon but I wouldn't be surprised if also that for them it's considered as such.

>>713615121
>Static has one healer who's a cute retarded megaslut (female)
>The other is a gigabased faggot who whips their co-healer into doing her job properly
>When a fight turns tense and people need to lock in, even the retard healer becomes a genius temporarily and aligns heals mits & shields perfectly, gains perfect insight into the tanks Reprisal and the melees Feint, Bloodbath and Second Wind
>"NIN did you use Shadeshift and Bloodbath there? Since I saw a little bump in HP which I assumed was Second Wind"
>"Yes, AST."
>"Good. That means I didn't have to use a GCD there. I didn't communicate it, but you would've died there otherwise. I simply assumed you'd use those 2 abilities there."
>"I know. You assumed correctly. And I knew you would."

Still meet up with them on occasion IRL. God bless them.

>>713616695
It's honestly great. Story is better than Yawntrail too, funny enough.
Gameplay is stellar, content is plentiful. Basically a complete reversal from 2021.

>WoW refugee
I've only ever met WoW rejects who weren't good enough to play WoW so they went to the casual game and started humping Squares leg like no tomorrow. There are very few genuinely good WoW players who moved and I assume they didn't stick around long.
When these guys went to FFXIV the average skill level of WoW went up and the skill level of FFXIV lowered.

>>713616447
>Sphene concluded her training with Alisaie and Y'shtola
>just in time, because Calyx and Ebil Sphene are attacking S9... AGAIN!
>we get another cutscene of each Scion taking down 1 robot and having a one liner
>WoL, Wuk and Sphene go and find Calyx' hideout
><dungeon here, we find out Calyx is a tragic character who has a morally grey reasoning for hating death>
>Wuk gives a speech about friendship
>WoL confronts Ebil Sphene
>Wol beats Ebil sphene
>Sphene confronts Calyx
>50/50 on Calyx turning out to be Sphenes husband/brother or not.. either way everything is good
>big cutscene with identical NPCs standing in S9 as Sphene is getting re introduced and having a speech
>a new, Eorzea like alliance between Tulliyola and Alexandria!!!
>the end

>>713616710
I would be fine with BRD and DNC keeping their buffs at least. No one esle.

Why are people talking about WoW now?
Did I miss something?

>>713616779
>Gameplay is stellar, content is plentiful.
Elaborate, what makes it good?

>>713616798
>we find out Calyx is a tragic character who has a morally grey reasoning for hating death
his reason is he was born a cripple with a quartered lifespan and some ascian said "hey kid you wanna live forever"
and then he said "yes please actually i would like to live forever and not be chronically ill"
and then he lived forever and now he wants everyone to enjoy the same gift and can't understand why everybody doesn't want to be immortal and free of weakness like him

>>713616695
Plays like LEgion if you liked that. Game is no longer raid/m+ or die thanks to delves. Overall fine, safe. Downside is poor QA at every turn with each release being a buggy mess for days if not a week or two at launch, they're clearly rushing.
Story is aids, of course, but it's Blizzard writing anything after Legion, so what did you expect?

>>713616861
What other MMO can we even play?
Rift?
Everything else is dead and Chrono Oddity turned out to be a dogshit rugpull.

>>713615931
Honestly that's why I'm never coming back. They refuse to do anything about people cheating or botting.

>>713616861
The shitposters flooded into this thread a few posts ago and now it's back to the same old.

>>713616906
Oh boy so he just wanted the best for his people just like... like
*gasp*
omg just like Sphene... and like Lamati'y! Holy shit this... this writing it...
rhymes!

>>713616950
FFXI is still goat
just join a private server (horizonxi)
WoW kiddies will see what a real grind is kek

>>713616791
>wow players are so skilled they added a one button rotation helper for the people who play
Retard.

>>713616730
>Forgot already that time when EW 6.0 MSQ had soloduties and people cried about the difficulty of those
wow is that really the point you want to make? you yourself probably sweated a lot to reach the end of the msq before the casuals could even discover these.
You talk as if those type of contents (not just msq) are reserved only for casuals, even though most raidfaggots like you do most of the game gives you just because you're bored

You've casually ignored the part about how moon crafting was camped by sweats as soon as it was released, in the middle of the day. Then you say "it's made for casual!".
Would casual do savage? very very unlikely. Would a raidfaggot do moon crafting? Very very likely, especially when it's downtime for them
So which content is for whom exactly?

>>713616992
Yeah, except Sphene and Wuk don't want to turn everyone into immortal techno-zombies, probably.
And he does, because he thinks being immortal is super cool and anyone who doesn't want to be super cool is basically a dumb fucking nerd who just doesn't get it.

>>713616730
>solo duties
That's because the shit they've done throughout the years means the game never actually challenges the player just playing the msq and required dungeons.
They're shitters, but SE is also at fault.
>>713616814
Well yes, they are the buff focused jobs after all. Hell, expand on their buffs further and make their kits all about enabling others.
It would be simple to try to design the game to do a 2 melee (or 1 melee and MCH), 1 mage, and 1 buffer.

>>713616949
Sounds pretty vacuous if the world/story is shit and it's a buggy mess. Like what am I even logging in to do? Jump around and do some daily quests or something?
I guess I'll wait for Project Epoch and see how that plays out.

>>713607970 (OP)
Kill Wuk.

>>713616695
I went back a month ago, since I'm completely off XIV indefinitely at this point, even though I was subbed for nearly 10 years straight lmao.

Game is actually in a decent spot. Its still worlo, so if you hate worlo, you're not going to like it. But the content is good, they've been quick on class balancing, raids are good, delves are neat, m+ has been pretty fun. Overall, its okay, but thats basically what WoW needs to survive because sl/bfa were fucking disastrous.

>>713616879
>Classes are balanced but not homogenized
>Mythic+ rotations have been good, which is actually rare
>Both raids have been good gameplay wise. Telegraphic has been fixed: even mythic is readable
>Loot is plentiful and not a chore, but is still fun to get because tier sets are fun and trinkets do cool shit
>Classes have varying degrees of complexity too. You can sweat as a Rogue or chill as a DH
>RP servers are alive again (have been since DF) so you can bang Pandaren coochie after raid night
>Constant updates and events: TWW has gotten infinitely more content in the last ten months than FFXIV has gotten in four years

>>713616950
This thread is about XIV, so I'd think you would talk about XIV
There is a general MMO thread up that would probably be more relevant for you.
>>713616990
That makes more sense

The plot is so bad that the best I can hope for is real Sphene becoming a party member while we leave a certain other princess to rot, and I say this not even caring for Sphene all that much.

>>713617094
Same as usual, log in to raid, pvp, m+ or now run delves, which are essentially MoP scenarios but they reward heroic raid level gear at the highest level you can do them.

>>713617048
https://github.com/Nik-Potokar/XIVSlothCombo
FFXIV players talking about the one button combo as if it wasn't directly inspired by how many of you trannies use this shit.
Also it's a huge DPS loss for most specs and it's mainly for accessibility. Nobody would actually get caught dead using it in a realistic scenario and for some DPS it just flat out doesn't work because it doesn't handle that specs complexity.
Go take your hormones and dilate.

>>713617117
>This thread is about XIV, so I'd think you would talk about XIV
But I don't want to talk about XIV because it's garbage now. I've moved on.

>>713617048
>>713616791
WoW has the problem that the developers developed their content around sweaties who use addons in order to clear. You make fights with those cheats in mind and suddenly people have to use those mods in order to deliver the performance people expect from them. So now they add one-button-rotations to the game instead of banning the mods. The alternative would have been that ban and making content around people who play the game vanilla but you can't have that cause shitters would riot if they suddenly couldn't use their one buttons and cheat addons.

>>713616695
It's basically just more BfA/SL/DF era WoW. If that's what you like, have at it.

>>713617227
then why are you here

>>713617198
https://wowlazymacros.com/
You don't even play WoW, retard. People have been doing this for a decade, now blizzard just put it in themselves.

>>713617227
So move on from this thread

>>713617048
WoW devs do what Yoshida always promised: Look at what people mod it and make that baseline in the game. It is no coincidence that the WoW housing tools function exactly as the housing mod in XIV.

>>713617230
>Tired old addon argument
Don't ask an FFXIV player why there are way less reclear parties on Maintanence day.

>folderschizo asleep
>janny asleep
>actual nuanced discussion instead of just screeching about cultists, trannies, doomposters and discord

>>713617234
Not really, I guess, obviously I hate the direction the writing went in and I think the dragonmen look ridiculous. I loved early WoW and really wish they'd do something vanilla plus but I don't trust nu-Blizz to pull that off and I don't think they trust themselves either which is why they went "No changes except layering, store mounts and WoW tokens!"

Whatever happened to that beastmaster sub job?

>>713617297
I can point out that addons fucked up raid scenes for both games overall. And frankly the sheer amount of QoL you can get just from addons alone unfucks so much of both games that I feel bad for console players.

>>713617437
Should be in 7.4 or 7.5, Blue Mage was super late in Stormblood, too.

>>713617290
>30% GCD penalty
>Doesn't even attempt to handle whatever complexity might be in a spec
>Most cooldowns still have to be done yourself
>Doesn't handle Rogues stealth phases
It's still not very useful and won't be used in most scenarios.

>>713617437
7.45, probably.

>>713617297
XIV doesn't have the raid culture that WoW has. In WoW there are literally only two things you can do - raid or pvp. Pretty much everything else is irrelevant.
XIV meanwhile has people who pay a sub who never do any combat activity. You have people who decorate houses for a living. Or sub to play Mahjong online.
The game has a way more content diverse playerbase.

>>713617437
It was always going to be 7.45+
They were mistaken to announce it during fanfest, we could tell at the time that they were playing as many cards as possible to try to drum up interest in the expansion.

>>713617481
Between the One Button Rotation, Cooldown Tracker and Ion Hazzikostas' recent statements on culling functionality of some addons, it sounds like MS is strong-arming Blizzard to make playing WoW on Xbox viable, but we'll see.

>>713617295
>WoW devs do what Yoshida always promised: Look at what people mod it and make that baseline in the game.
So what XIV has been doing for a while now on a patch by patch basis?

>>713617437
Imagine the knotting

>>713607970 (OP)
Lmao, that's completely corporate Japanese saving face speak. They don't say they're even pulling him off the other projects to focus on XIV, it's just the exact same as what's going on now but it'll somehow "benefit" 8.0 to have him away from his main project.

>>713617481
A friend I made IG (who started last year), did his first savage and ultimate (fru).
I saw his transformation with his plugin usage.
Last month, he showed me how he could basically bot easily for gathering, crafting, doing fates.

>>713617519
Isn't the idea that you could swap to it for a moment while doing a difficult mechanic or taking a drink or something? Seems like a pretty good feature for that.

>>713617624
Like...?

>>713617569
>Wow has a culture of playing the video game
>FFXIV has a culture of standing around engaging in drama and ERP
I fixed that for you. FFXIV would be a far better game if everyone involved engaged with it and its systems in a meaningful way (I.E actually playing it).
Maybe then Square would have gotten actual feedback instead of being coddled and told everything was fine until it was too late.

>>713617569
>raid or pvp. Pretty much everything else is irrelevant.
Bro have you not visited Goldshire Inn?

>>713617510
Blue mage was account at the fanfest for Shadowbringers reveal tho, the surprise was that BLU was coming before.

>>713617510
>>713617525
>>713617614
All right, sick. I'm excited for it.

>>713617714
Like 90% of QoL improvements/changes going back to 6.0 have been based on/inspired by plugins.

>>713617086
>That's because the shit they've done throughout the years means the game never actually challenges the player just playing the msq and required dungeons.
>They're shitters, but SE is also at fault.
Yes SE is at fault because they bend too much their knee towards any little complain that comes from Jimmy TwoFingers. Yes, they created this wall so that anything that is above the Story Content difficulty is something unclearable and way too hard to do. Which is not the case at all.

>>713617060
I've never ignored it. I've just stated to you that the fact that type of content is botted to the death it's completely another argument. And also if you try to bring that "it was camped as soon the patch released in the middle of the day." Well that happens literally on every patch as soon something new gets released. That's a really weak argument.

>>713617736
Okay, guess you can add ERP to the list but thats something you encounter in every game be it XIV, WOW, SWTOR or TESO.

But XIV is the only game where i met a guy who bought a sub and story boost just so he can dance and watch movies with people in one of the Kugane clubhouses/nightclubs

>Champion, Tataru Taru has gone baby-crazy and urgenly needs you to fill her womb with your virile semen so she can be a mommy! Report to the bedroom anon!

I wonder if vipers and pictos will be looked down upon going forward, having been introduced in the least popular expansion...?

>>713617665
Realizing how many of my friends were just botting crafting 24:7 really killed my interest in the game, that and whenever you have people who get ill on every raid night that was scheduled the same day as a minor patch.

>>713617627
Runar's va got giga cancelled in Japan so he's never coming back with voiced lines. Besides, they need to leave Y'shtola available for when they pull the ripcord on npc dating to appease the gooner part of the playerbase.

When will he do a guide for the other FT bosses?

>>713613246
Pretty good list. Wanted to share my thoughts because why not

>long patch cycles
At first this bothered me, but I'm kinda ok with it. I like not feeling pressured to play the game. I'm actually glad we're not getting another Ultimate in 7.3 because my mid-core static is tired of raiding 5-6 days a week as we worked through Fork Tower on top of Savage.

Too bad the mindset of players is that they have to do all the things RIGHT NOW which kills content 1-2 months after release.

>not enough content for casuals
After seeing DT singlehandedly kill my FC, I definitely agree with this. But then I step back and take a look at all the content the game does offer. Leveling alt jobs, normal raids/trials, alliance raids, Island Sanctuary, Criterion, Gold Saucer mini games and Triple Triad, treasure maps, Eurkea/Bozja, PotP/HoH, and a bunch of other stuff I'm missing. And I know so many people who have never touched any of it nor have a desire to which makes me wonder: What do causals even want?

Please tell me. I legit want to know.

>Mr. Ozma's obsession with difficulty: caused CAR to flop
At first, I would say we can't blame all of CAR on Mr. Ozma. From my experience, most players do not have the mentality to learn like 6 major mechanics and bail the moment they realized they can't be a shitter and still get dragged across the finish line. But then I remembered the body checks and fuck that.

Fork Tower has the same fucking problem. 1 person's mistake (legitimate or even a fucking disconnect) can kill an entire run.

>no live translations of LLs
This is so fucking stupid. I have no idea how 10+ years later we'll still relying on fan translations for critical information outside of fanfest. No wonder the community's expectations are fucked all the time.

>new relic is too grindy
The atma drop rate is shit, but it's a one time deal. After that, weapons are just given to you via tomes which you get from just playing the game. I don't see this as being grindy.

>>713617869
>Okay, guess you can add ERP to the list
>But XIV is the only game where i met a guy who bought a sub to ERP

>>713617869
You CANNOT ERP in SWTOR.
I spent 5 years trying. Meanwhile first day I logged on XIV I got sucked off by a miqote.

>>713617910
I doubt it.

>>713617973
>What do causals even want?
At best all I can think of is more dungeons (yawn) and moving the field operation up to the .1 patch instead of .2 or later, which would be a good idea imo.

>still can't change your login name
nah

>>713617929
>who get ill on every raid night that was scheduled the same day as a minor patch
hahahaha and that's exactly why I don't play any jobs in raid that I can't play without xivcombo.
When is SE debloating the bars by just putting 123 on the same button (which they have done for both pct and vpr)

>>713618007
Make a woman character
Bonus points if alien
Go to Vaiken Station on Starforge and stand at the stairs
Someone will whisper you.

>>713618007
Bro how do you not get ero in SWTOR? DK chat is filled with people looking for the most degen shit

>>713618053
The casual peeps are fine if the game has a good story. Simple 'as. And you wish I was joking, but you also know deep down that's the truth.

>>713618084
I don't know man it just feels like 90% of people don't want to play the game at all and would happily cheat every last drop of gameplay to impress other people with their clears.
It's depressing.

>>713617936
Good to know, I was mostly talking about beastmaster as a job though.

>>713618193
I think you're right, sadly. I do think Hiroi's writing is aids, hope he gets shunted off to just side content asap.

>>713618184
I was a straight white male Jedi.

>>713615514
Your post should just say people who still like their game and people who don’t like their game anymore lol

>>713617947
Nigga just hit your assigned color, count buffs, soak your assigned snowball, kill your assigned snowball, bait your assigned tower, wait for 3 hits, run around, kill your assigned tower, if 2nd boss isn't dead by now you flame your party and quit because you're not making 4th boss enrage.
FT bosses are easier than extreme despite what people say, 90% of the wipes could be avoided if party leaders just wrote in chat what our assignments before every boss since there are like 7 different versions for assignments.

>>713618318
>jedi
Thats the problem. All the sluts are on the dark side

>>713618318
Pubside is dead-dead my man.

>>713617936
>Runar's va got giga cancelled in Japan
I want to know more. How can a Japanese possibly be cancelled? Did he commit economic fraud?

>>713618413
Probably smoked weed.

>>713618413
aymeric's japanese VA got cancelled as well. specifically he cheated on his wife and then denied it in the most whiny way possible

Average XIV player (who actually plays) is better than in games that don't put forced roadblocks like trials in the way.
Obviously that precludes people still in ARR who only sit in Limsa.

>>713618413
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-09-22/voice-actor-itaru-yamamoto-agency-ends-contract-due-to-serious-breach/.215873

We're not sure what happened exactly, but over in JP they hold voice actors to a massive standard. Aymeric's JP actor was caught in a cheating scandal a while back, thus he's been unvoiced ever since.

>>713618336
Every game with difficult content and a playerbase that engages heavily in that content will eventually develop a "I like the way this sucks" mentality. Monster Hunter Frontier players know their hitboxes are fucked. Fighting game players know sometimes their shit is kusoge. CS players know the hitreg is weird. Warframe players know about the power creep and you can just ask them how they felt playing during the Steve era. Fatshark players are in perpetual torment.
No game is perfect and you either learn to accept that and either fuck or keep playing but FFXIV players actively lie and pretend absolutely nothing is wrong.

>>713618610
Yea I’m not reading all that but I’m happy for you or sucks if that happened

Does Squeenix need to add one or more new jobs every expansion? Balancing this shit can't be easy. In fact if machinist is any indication, they're struggling with balance.
Also, I really miss the job exclusive quest chains. The dragoon lore was so goddamn cool.

Never EVER PVPkeks.
Just reminding you!

You ever think you only dislike FFXIV because you're supposed to?

>>713618680
No, I think we're at a place where they can stop and just work on balance and QoL.

>>713618608
Why the fuck did couples cheating become everybody else's business? Why the fuck would or should anyone in the entire world care?

>>713618776
I dunno, JP's on some 1930s America shit.

>>713607970 (OP)
>Yeah! In one expansion they will add RPG mechanics to every part of the game that they slowly removed over the years to create actual gameplay instead of brute forcing sterile and boring meaningless pieces of side content to keep people's attention!
>In 8.0 they will finally combine every piece of segmented side content into the main game so there is a cohesive character and job progression across the board instead of the disconnected progression we have now
>8.0 will totally make Naoki Yoshida stop intentionally cutting parts out of the game to save money
you're retarded

>>713617973
>What do causals even want?
Exploratory zone/relic in X.1, with new steps in every major patch.
More content at the early-extreme difficulty (can be cleared with randoms and a macro, not a raidplan/video guide).
Minigames
Collectables
Skill trees/lost actions/etc as a way to experiment with playstyles (in easy content you don't need to be optimal so you can have fun with this whereas in a raid setting everyone will just copy what's optimal)
NPC dating
Solo battle content

>>713618716
I've been collecting these for over a year now... My patience will be rewarded when Yoshida decides it's time to address the ranked PvP rewards situation. Feast items are begging to be brought back.

>>713618881
making every raid, trial series and other side content MSQ mandatory would be a bad idea. the MSQ is big enough

>graphical update happens
>every single femra face gets worse except fishra who get a huge upgrade

What did Yoshida mean by this?

>>713618680
They probably need to add new jobs every expansion or the community goes ballistic, but personally I'd like them to just work on the existing ones.

>>713618309
Shadowbringers had:
Hildbrand content cut
Deep Dungeon cut
Bozja's story being left completely unfinished and finishing in a written note
Half-Assed Crafting Zone with the restoration, that didn't receive big updates

And people weren't shitting on the game with all these cuts left and right because the story was good.

>>713618740
They can't do that. Otherwise a huge vocal community will start crying on they also started to cut resources on new jobs and such. Without understanding that the game needs basically a whole expansion where they focus on fixing a lot of QoL missing + a lot of technical jank regarding the game.

>>713618731
I think I dislike FFXIV because I kept coming up with cool ideas for content/job design/tweaks and then I watched the LLs and they announce that they're doing the exact opposite.

>>713618680
Definitely think they should pause adding jobs and work on the general job/combat system

>>713619034
You forgot that 5.2 to 5.3 was the longest wait between a patch (even including the new patch rollout) and Bozja was only added in 5.35 on top of that.

>>713619017

>>713611214
god I don't remember where I read this but they confirmed somewhere that it takes them less than a year to make the MSQ and only up to 4 months to make a patch. So they very much change things on the fly instead of having one long-term plan in terms of MSQ.

>>713619163
geeeeg

>>713607970 (OP)
Can you fix the gameplay please?
Dehomogenize jobs?
Add buffs/debuffs that actually have an impact
Get rid of the 2 minute garbage
Make it so healers have to constantly heal, in any fucking piece of content even a random trash mob on your level
Add some randomness to fight, something to esuna, something with a telegraph thats long enough for you to react to it, don’t make them entirely memorization
Change pvp back to how it was
Make bard and dancer have actual support stuff
Please just fix the goddamn gameplay its horrible its fucking awful. Tell every single person complaining about the story to just fucking kill themselves and stop catering to the raidfags so much because they are literally what broke the gameplay

>>713619230
BUT THE FUCKING LOGS BRO!! THE FUCKING LOGS!!!!!

>>713619163
It's the same image.

>>713618962
Who said it needs to be mandatory? The problem is that, for the regular player, there is no reason to do any side content. I can't go to POTD and use the unique effect of a Padjali weapon to go into an Undead mega dungeon. I don't get a unique shield from savage that I can use in criterion. These things don't change the game if they stop existing. They are literal attractions in a theme park.

>>713619230
How many jobs are there now? There are only so many unique things you can do. Eventually a class is going to look like another class no matter how distracting the effects are.

>>713619124
From 5.2 to 5.3 was a bit justified due to COVID and such, but still the point stands. From the casual point, everything was fine because Shadowbringers had a kino story, so the game was completely fine. It was the same as EW. Everyone loved 6.0 because of its story, then the post-patch story starts and it sucks? EW has a lot of problems and doomposting starts.

>>713619295
I think the characters could use some improvements post update. But the way some were acting was crazy. Like their character died and was replaced with a stranger causing real depression

>>713607970 (OP)
People keep overlooking that its not just Dawntrail that was trash. The Endwalker patches were irredeemably bad as well. They really really need a fire lit under their asses

>>713607970 (OP)
8.0 will be Danuser's baby.

>>713619230
I only play a limited selection of jobs; bard, ninja, red mage, white mage, warrior and paladin, so I have to wonder what people are asking for when they ask for jobs to not be homogenized. From my understanding, just about every melee that isn't NIN plays the same, healers need an overhaul in general and Dark Knight is just shitty warrior from a rotation standpoint. The casters, ranged physical and other tanks seem to be in a fine spot I think?

>>713618608
I wonder what happened with Cloud’s JP VA

>>713619434
given how yellow the lighting there is, that probably is an earlier pic anyway
>But the way some were acting was crazy. Like their character died and was replaced with a stranger causing real depression
yeah, it was a bit deranged

>>713619017
Fishra was always the best. And I say this as a fan of autismface1.

>>713619354
if there was a set of glasses that changed your character's eyes glowing pink that had 1 vitality on them it would become mandatory no matter how hard they were to get

mmo players need to be wrangled in, and to be honest i prefer gearing to be boring than for it to be too long and possibly never ending

>>713619720
Nothing really. He is too big so he still gets roles.
Same with Furuya the Gundam Amuro VA who turned out to be an abuser - and who also got a fan pregnant that way.

Turns out some VAs are too big too fail even in Japan.

>>713619017
FFXIV is the 4channiest game of all time. The devs most certainly read this thread, which is why they think there’s nothing wrong with the game. They also love plapping and gooning, which is why they don’t need to add midcore content. And the new cosmetics and emotes are just like our mods. So of course they like fishras. COKEY COLA! WAHOO!

>>713619461
Exchange "MMORPG" with "coding" and you could apply those three steps to vidya in general.

>>713619951
They look like they fuck duskwight and highlanders exclusively.

>>713619856
>putting stats on a cosmetic
I mean not even Square Enix would do that but even if that was the case: SO WHAT?!
God imagine giving people things to do and strive for in an MMORPG of all things.

>>713619951
But the game has absolutely ZERO sex appeal in it. Every ass is flat, women have no tits, men have neither nipples or cock bulges. There's zero mention of romance or sex, only innuendos that NEVER involve the player.

The game is completely sexless and PG-13.

>>713616396

This but the opposite. Dump the PCmutt version and kill off all the modbeast freaks and talentless cheaters, the game will improve massively and the twelve PC players who aren't complete losers can just buy an XBox.

>>713620104
there are many things to strive for already in the current system. i'm not thrilled that i have to do content i don't want to do to get triple triad cards and orchestrion rolls, things i like collecting

>>713619856
>mmo players need to be wrangled in
fucking true

>>713615902
Jesus fuck she fell off hard

Mare modbeasts run this board

>>713619951
me bottom left

Played for ~2 months.
I had a fun time with my FC, and became even more degenerate with mods, which is a ton of fun.
But man, i don't feel god staying subbed for the time being when i am playing through Stellar Blade, Wukong, Nioh 2, Lies of P, and various patched games.
I enjoyed paying with friends, but the content matter just had a horrible after taste on recollection. I got my Blackjack finally, among other older mounts from content. But like, with how FUCKED Tower felt to actually try to play, it creates a bad impression. Which is sad, cuz those fights in there are fucking amazing.

>>713620161
>ZERO sex appeal in it
I disagree
This is unmodded

>>713620161
i bet you feel real dumb right now

>>713619951
>femra with tits

>>713620370
puking_horse.png

>>713619856
You can’t tell these fucking retards anything, even a class being a few precent behind means it’s weak when you can clear with fucking anything in this game if you aren’t shit. A lot of people use stuff as a crutch

>you can play every class on a single character
>they're all boring

>>713620483
sandhonse

>>713620370
You can start spamming your folder now, get it over with

>>713615697
>>713616120
>>713616329
>>713616647
You whiny bitches should be directing your hate at SE instead for dropping the ball so hard on this piece of shit game

>>713620241
The difference, my dear inbred retard, is that none of those things affect the actual game we're playing. Getting cards doesn't affect the MSQ. Getting a mount from savage doesn't even affect regular play because there are no open world zones with anything important, AND you can't ride mounts in cities where people gather.
Those grinds to strive for don't give us anything meaningful that actually changes our character in some way. That's the biggest staple of Final Fantasy just boom, gone, missing entirely.

>>713620742
SHUT THE FUCK UP ZEPLA

>>713620475
UUUOOOOHHHH!!!!!!

>>713620370
Would plap.

>>713620483
Don’t even give it replies anon, it’s a freak that wants any attention and sad it doesn’t get any in /xivg/

>>713619359
Every single class is the same. Every healer plays exactly the same. Every tank plays the same. Every dps plays the same. The minor differences are the roles and even that line is starting to thin out as dps/tank 123 starts to look like healers 111 in a different coat of paint.
The problem isn’t that some job eventually will feel the same to another the problem is that they don’t even try to give even the roles a shred of identity.

>>713620742
But I don't care about the story, and I've been around long enough to know that people who legitimately think jobs played better in ARR and HW are retarded or newfags trying to fit in. Content's the best it's been in a long time, they just need to get away from the 2 minute meta and shake up the samey jobs.

>Thread is invaded by /xivg/ degen mod beasts
>Mention of Zepla out of nowhere
Every single time, what is it about Zepla that mind broke those /xivg/ troons?

>>713620940
Play scholar the same as WHM
Do it

>>713620809
>stupid bitch thinks mounts aren’t meaningfully
Sounds like your never played older mmos and should fuck off

>>713620979
based

>>713620740
I said my piece, now talk to my ass.

>>713620940
Bard has been the most unique job since Stormblood. Nothing plays like it, and the only people who don't like bard are numberfags.

>>713613246
I'd put homogenized jobs under major issues, but otherwise solid list

>>713621010
She is a woman

>>713621034
easy, they both spam a single button 99% of the time and press their dot every 30s.

>>713620809
i welcome catassers being repelled from playing. people who stand on large mounts in public areas are only one-half a step away from the people who pick a spot in town near an aetheryte and never move

i invite you to set goals in your own life if you feel that you need to work towards something. i just wanna kill monsters and play cards

>>713620940
play a dragoon the same way you play a ninja

>>713621010
Seeing what she looks like without the bright light and bloom.

>>713620940
Play Red Mage like a Black Mage.

>>713621094
bitch you're so fat i could talk anywhere and your ass will still hear
you're so fat you need your own zip code
so fat you wear a sock on each toe bitch

>>713621148
>Healers are the same
>If you ignore the healing

>>713621094
UUUUUHHHHHHHHNGGGG THICCER

>>713621034
It’s always strange when people say all jobs play the same when even the stuff like Sam and monk or ninja and viper play nothing alike. At minimum you could say DRK and WAR and even then that’s only the inner release and even then DRK plays different enough that I fucking hate playing it compared to war

>>713621143
Painfully accurate, troons hate women more than themselves because it reminds them of what they will never be.

>>713613390
wasn't the gorespamming "jobs for this feel" guy here before ew was announced

>>713615121
oh shit is that my boy Kichou-dono?

>>713621385
As hyperbole, I can get "all jobs play the same" as critique. People who honestly, literally believe it, are silly.

I think Wuk Lemat should die.

Which trooncord do I need to join to try FT?

>>713621385
DRK just needs a complete overhaul, its rotation is genuinely shit.
None of the casters and ranged dps play remotely like one another.

>>713621270
yeah it's not like they're doing damage most of the time anyways.

>>713621191
Hell even try to play viper like ninja, you will do shit damage

>>713621521
shut the fuck up
drk is fine and cool
suck my dick
HURR BUT I NEED IT TO PLAY LIKE WARRIOR/PLD MORE THAN IT ALREADY DOES CUS XENOSHITS SAID SO
fuck off

Well it'd be pretty hard for 8.0 to launch in a shittier state than 7.0. What a fucking disaster it was at launch, the first time I've ever felt the game was actually bad overall instead of just in a kind of a down patch.

>>713621520
Snipe a run and then ask for an invite

>>713621070
No. Mounts are not useful in most games and they are outright useless in FFXIV. They are a microtransaction feature.
You can't mount in raids. You can't mount in alliance raids, you can't mount in dungeons. Why do they exist? For questing? Oh yeah remember how we're slowed down until we're done with the MSQ in every area?

You know what a meaningful movement tool would be? Ninja being able to climb things. Dragoon being able to use jump and high jump for movement. Summoner providing a flying mount with a summon for the party. Warrior being able to bust down parts of the level to create paths. Black mage being able to cross gaps by warping.

>>713621149
bahaha that won't work on me sister. I'm the one that needs goals when you're the one intentionally going into a thread criticizing FFXIV and responding to negative comments. You can kill monsters and play cards in much better games that actually deserve your money.

You ARE ruining what used to be an MMORPG for the people that want an MMORPG. It's you that needs to leave as soon as possible.

>>713621521
I wouldn’t mind if it got a few more shields other than TBN, it’s honestly just not fun to play in dungeons for me it feels so squishy

>>713621603
Oh no, I want it to play like Warrior less actually, I think we're on the same page.

>>713621634
you forgot to show a screenshot of your mmo cred. you were playing muds in the 90s right?

>>713621603
i do feel like DRK makes perfect sense as a leech/self-sustain job
it's funny that WAR is basically the king of that

WoW is still better

>>713621634
Mounts are for gathering.

>>713621603
I would like DRK and GB to not be war clone with more buttons and pld clone with less buttons actually

>>713621634
>Mounts are not useful in most games and they are outright useless in FFXIV
Wrong statement retard you clearly never played many MMOs if you call mounts unless

>>713621715
hurr le green tank fuck off you piece of shit
>>713621680
good stay out of dungeons then shitter piece of shit how can you die as drk in dt is beyond me rampart abyssal drain your shit it full heals you're garbage your mit rotation sucks
>>713621782
>>713621682
you don't even know what you want
>LE MORE BUTTONS XD
fuck is that gonna do for you if you can't even get the drk rotation as it is right

>>713619359
The game never had much identity to begin with but as an example with the healers and a few other examples:
>scholar used to be the only healer with an instant heal and was also the “buffer” at one point with 30% haste that directly affected skill speed and spell speed, the idea was buff maintenance rather than that putrid 2m burst shit every single job has now
>AST used to have their cards, which were neutered in stormblood then completely and utterly destroyed in shadowbringers. They could have made the cards not rng while keeping the interesting buff mechanics instead like the one that used to lower cooldowns.
>destroyed the simplistic resource system the game had instead of improving it (removed tp, mp now works like tp used to work) instead of fixing it. Thus they also remove things like goad, ewer and spire
>bard used to have actual support stuff, now they have a 1% dhit and crit buff, oh and every 60s (lol2minutes) you get a 5% raid dmg buff, exactly the same as every other dps
>theres nothing in the game thats challenging to heal, dying usually means reset, getting hit once by a mechanic usually means instant death the second time, ergo theres nothing healers need to fix with all their emergency buttons and certainly no reason to use gcd heals which are all the same across all the fucking healers
>how clerics stance and tank stance used to work
To be frank, I didn’t think the game was that amazing back in 2.0 or heavensward but it sure was a hell of a lot better than it is now and at the time I thought ut could improve into something nice from its base tennets, I have no idea how we ended up with this moba ass pve gameplay

>>713621634
skip buyer mentality or 17000 hours in queue brainrot, call it

Never relax around femra

>>713621094
>now talk to my ass.
The entire Sharlyan Forum wouldn't have enough people to talk to that fat dumpy

>>713621906
>hurr le green tank fuck off you piece of shit
what job fantasy do you think fits DRK the most? what mode of gameplay?

>>713621794
They're useful, however as a prestige reward, they've all but lost their luster to me in both this game and WoW. When you're at 200+ mounts in the game, at some point they just become another number to collect.

>>713621524
Healers' main job is to heal
If you want to say the fights should require more opportunities for healers to focus on healing fair enough.
But to say all healers play the same and ignore how they heal thats just dumb

>>713621945
My wife

>>713615382
>The content is good.
What content? WHAT CONTENT? You guys keep saying "The content in Dawntrail is good" but you NEVER say what thta content is. Seriously, WHAT CONTENT IS THERE?

>>713621906
I take it the dilation session isn't going well?

>713621906
oh you're just being confrontational and retarded for yous

Here's a hot take

of the 4 healers Sage is my favorite healing style but i hate the aesthetics

>>713617230
This is retarded, all the addons do is tell you what the boss will do next (BigWigs) and if you are a shitter who does not know what each ability does you also use DBM which gives you instructions like "Spread", "Watch your feet".

You could easily not need this by simply meticulously studying what each boss does, but that would make the game become a second job.

Alternatively they could just tune down complexity of each boss but then where's the fun? The game hits a perfect sweet spot right now where addons give you a good idea of what to do and you get the satisfaction of executing it yourself

>>713621782
But GNB isn’t a war clone?

>do your rotation
>press raid buff button, self buff button and stat potion button when the 2m burst starts
>absolutely zero variance to your “gauge” making sure the rotation is set in stone every single time
>if your dps has a 10% raid mit use it on aoe damage
Done

They need to remove or kill most of the scions and mock the people who refuse to let them go. Get those types of players out of the game so it can be reborn once more. Sadly SE doesn't have any testosterone in their entire company

>>713622062
warriors invented dps phases for tanks. if a tank does damage, its a warrior clone

which is funny since warrior is the worst dps of the 4 tanks

Fell Cleave is a gain on 3

>>713622048
That's not a hot take at all, I'd use SGE most if it didn't rely on flying dildos to heal.
>>713622004
DT has more content than every other expansion had at this point in its release schedule, try to keep up Shadowbab.

>>713621778
>needs to get off the mount to gather
actually it's kinda cool that in WoW(an actual RPG) you can spec into being able to gather while mounted

>>713621710
>>713621794
>>713621941
Provide one example where mounts are useful and couldn't be replaced by actual movement tools that belong to a class.

>>713621034
>press ogcd before the damage
>press ogcd after the damage
woah so different

>>713622041
>>713622038
>>713621949
>no argument
so tell me about those buttons then
>ackshually i want drk to use hp instead of mp!!
oh yeah and then you get autod and died and then you want drk to use mp again
show me that you play drk

>>713621385
Every tank has the same mitigations to the point that people just refer to them as your "short mit", "party mit" etc.
SCH and SGE have nearly identical healing kits, WHM and AST do too. All healer rotations consist of a 30s DoT and a half-cast filler nuke.
DPS jobs are a bit more varied but the fundamentals you learn from one job (2min buff window, maintain GCD uptime, hit your positionals, build and spend resource) will teach you 90% of any other job. If you have some imagination (or just look back at ARR-SB job design) you could imagine many ways in which things could be different. But every patch they make things more samey.

>>713622004
>What content? WHAT CONTENT?
Raids, trials, Occult Crescent, bit of Cosmic Exploration on the side (got all rewards except black mech, did all crafting relics, waiting for gatherer GP fixes to do gatherer ones),
Now your turn: tell me what you did in 3.2, 4.2, 5.2 and 6.2 that was so good compared to Dawntrail.

>>713621918
Ast cards never really matter because majority of people just used balance and spread

>>713622062
anon please requote where in that post I plurally called both jobs clones of the same thing

>>713622003

>>713616356
They’ll retcon and abridge it like they did with so many other things in the past.

>>713621603
it should play less like warrior. It's not fine because it's the posterboy for homogeization alongside healers.

>>713622163
>Fell Cleave is a gain on 3

>>713622190
bro i wasn't arguing with you
i was asking you, if you hate the notion of DRK as a job that leeches health from the enemy so much
what do you want it to do?

>>713622221
Oh that's easy. The jobs didn't suck back then so even running roulettes was fun.

>>713622205
Killing the 2 minute meta and not making every melee dps arbitrarily have positonals (some should keep them) would go a long way. Probably why all the ranged jobs feel better overall atm.

>>713621953
Yea but it’s cool to get them still and they got good music. When they aren’t lazy fucks

>>713608030
Well 2 years they wont see my sub money.

>>713622331
So there was no better/more content. Thanks for agreeing with me in a roundabout way, I guess.

>>713622238
It almost feels like you are intentionally misreading this quote
>They could have made the cards not rng while keeping the interesting buff mechanics instead like the one that used to lower cooldowns.
I honestly fucking hate people like you.
I can think of a dozen different ways to make each buff relevant instead of thinking that you will only ever use expanded balance and the card mechanic will never change.
Seriously dont respond to posts if you have nothing constructive to say.

>>713622004
It's not good, the fact Yoshida had to dedicate over half the recent PLL addressing outstanding issues with Occult Crescent shows the content is NOT GOOD.

>Press buttons
>Perform action/spell
wow all MMO jobs are the same
So easy

>>713622163
Warrior was my favorite to play in Eureka, Bozja, and Deep Dungeons for sure because of how brain dead it made everything and the survivability lol. When I did all the relics, I found a mass solo farm method with the lightning dragons in Pagos for example. Farmed light ultra fast.
For DD the only constraint is time, which experience in running and good Pom usage counters.

>>713622331
>arr
>hw
>jobs that didn't suck ass
bait used to be believable, the only exception is hw mch. every other job improved vastly with the stormblood rework

>>713621996
The main thing you do all the time as a healer in any piece of content is do damage. There are a tiny handful of savage and ultimate mechs where you actually need to focus on outhealing a difficult healcheck. Healers have extremely bloated kits filled with free healing buttons all of which serve the purpose of letting you press GlareBroilMaleficDosis more.

>>713622048
I love SGE's aesthetic. Gundam funnels go brrr.

>>713617569
Yeah this game has a lot of overlap with girls who play Animal Crossing and things like that.

>>713622457
The zone itself and Forked Tower are good, Phantom Jobs are the best iteration of the bonus actiions we get in these zones, the issue is the aids of getting into it. No idea what the fuck he was thinking.

>>713622439
seethe nigger

>>713622425
What you don't get is that there was more content by virtue of jobs being actually different. With different nuances.
This is what gives longevity to a game like Destiny 2. There are so many ways to do the same one thing. And the more ways you add, the more content players have.
It's like a fighting game. When characters are unique there is more content(Look at tekken 8 suffering because of homogenization).
Look at Granblue Fantasy Relink, a lot of characters play nothing like the other, making each character its own learning curve despite playing the same content.
This is the problem with XIV. The content has always been trash but we used to have different ways of playing it, which added to growth to us as a player, and as users of those classes within their respective context.

>>713615110
>The patches have NOT been good outside of a less shit MSQ, what the fuck are you retards talking about?
There's been this cope since 7.0 that the expansion story is bad, but the "content" is at least "good". Notice how none of these people will ever elaborate on what exactly this "content" even is, or why it's good.

Seriously, what content?

The TWO non-MSQ dungeons (we don't count MSQ dungeons because htey're always boring faceroll slop) that were MILDLY more interesting mechanically and harder but now completely triviliazed by newer gear? (And both still the same wall-2-wall garbage)

The "raids" that are a continuation of the DDR-slop desgin where you barely engage with the bosses you largely just engage with the mechanical vomit it spews, and the body-checks meaning one retard fucking up will wipe you?

The job design (you know the jobs, which are the thing you experience all the content with) which ensures nothing in this game combat-related will ever be fun because all the jobs have been dumbed down and homogenized (already bad enough we never had different builds to experiment with like a proper RPG), so you just do your same old reptitive rotation on repeat and hit your 120 sec cooldowns? Where there is zero room for skill expression whatsoever?

The Chaotic raid, which everyone was expecting was supposed to be hard mode versions of every single alliance raid, beginning to end, and what we got was ONE (1) boss from ONE (1) alliance raid from ARR that was made into a trial and tuned to savage difficulty, and now 6 months later we STILL haven't even gotten another fight?

The new foray content which takes all the worst aspects from old and ends with a savage-tier raid despite foray content being for casuals, with deranged entry requirements and which is now gatekept by tranny discords?

Seriously, where is this amazing "CONTENT" you retards claim exists? WHERE IS IT?

>>713622238
I’m not sure why this is an argument. If the rng card system was bad then you simply change it.
For example, you can keep the rng and draw cards in a cycle, once you draw all cards the deck resets. This lets the player plan out what they will have based on their first 3 draws and makes effective use of the spread and burn buttons.
Instead what they did is turn every card into balance and add a generic dps or generic instant heal card lol as if you didn’t have enough of those already

>>713622636
>No idea what the fuck he was thinking.
"people ask me for oldschool mmo socialization so maybe we should make it so you should organically form groups rather than just entering with a premade group of friends/discord buds"
That doesn't explain why he made the actual combat content inside so hostile to random progging, though.

>>713607970 (OP)
playing final fantasy 14 for the first time and I'm enjoying it but kinda hurt about no friends or parties unless subcribed. I get the hustle though its a pretty effective way to get people to subscribe early since the social aspect of this game is a must. it is really enjoyable so far.

I do wanna ask in regards to craft jobs should I accept all the quests as well as battle job quests "so you want to be a ...?" because I've avoided them all except for like culinarian. Is it okay for me to accept all of them and just go back to solo focusing on my job or what?

>>713622313
ok i'll respond to you since you seem to genuinely be trying instead of parroting e-celeb opinions with 0 knowledge
drk as a job that lleches health isn't possible in this game as it is right now, in fact drk before sb wasn't even that, drk in 14 is more of a mystic knight than anything, it started as
>high magic mitigation and utility
to
>best mitigation for all cases and good for downtime
phantom drk will do what you want, because yes as we know it drk in the ff series is a spend health to gain health and do damage type of job but not here, since conception people are wrong about the xiv drk, just like how warrior plays more like a berserker with its self-healing
i don't hate the notion of drk as a job that lleches health but it's just not what it is here and it won't be that ever, it never was it never will
what i'd do to it is, like that other anon said, since they're so bent on mitigation and shields for tanks i'd make drk the shields tank, tbn and all of its utility just making you shield and rewarding you for proper usage of that shielding, i'd rather 3 charges of tbn and 3-5 dark arts (current) storages than to make it another le green tank

>>713622439
The buffs wouldn’t matter if they don’t give damage, people will just fucking ignore them and you can’t make the buffs too game changing or you make ast mandatory for all savage fights

All I care about is getting a good writer working on it again instead of whoever was responsible for Dawntrail and to get rid of Wuk Lamat and Gulool Ja.

>>713622167
>DT has more content than every other expansion had at this point in its release schedule
Where? Where is this content?

>>713622636
I also think P.Jobs are the best version of foray actions but man they really could have been a bit more adventurous with them. Imagine the fun if the stacking buff from P.Monk's kick gave you skill speed instead of damage.

>>713622487
What you don’t like pld having to wait like 10 levels to get tank stance after the other tanks anon?

Hildebrand is not funny
The Rising is corny with that annoying music that plays in towns
The story and writing feels like this game is an episode of Sesame Street

Ff14 was never good

>>713610341
People are unable to ignore bait threads. If someone picks up a game doesn't understand it immediately they will have some weird interest in hating the game. It's always these types of people and they spend their time making garbage threads that influence people into thinking there is some group of people with this opinion when its just the same bs samefagging.

>>713622221
>Raidtranny slop
None of that content, even if it is well-designed (it's not, it's scripted DDR/body-check slop) is fun when the jobs (which you experience the content through) are dogshit to play.

>have a good and productive discussion for the first half of the thread
>second half, sudden influx of low-quality shitposting
nooticing

>>713623000
Niggerfaggots baiting just to get the le epic last word in before the thread archives.

>>713622781
>That doesn't explain why he made the actual combat content inside so hostile to random progging, though.
The raid design team just can't help themselves but make hard content. I'm sure that Chaotic and Criterion were both supposed to be more accessible than they ended up being.
I guess it doesn't help that they are so constrained on "cost" too. If they can only make one version of a fight, it makes some sense to make it difficult so that it occupies the players for longer.

>>713622813
cont
and even then, you can't make current drk lose hp because it'd just be a volatile job that doesn't function with the current battles, people think that jobs should be X but they never think about how that job would play out with the encounters that they design
it's a thing that goes both ways
encounter design makes the changes on jobs and changes on the jobs change encounter design, if it was up to me this game would be different and if it was up to you it'd also be different but sadly that's not the case so we can't be asking for things that could be better that won't work, you don't have the foresight to see how the shitty changes you want or that i want would change the game so we have to go on the scope of what we have at the moment and build from it
NOW SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH THE
>HURR MAKE DRK DIFFERENT PLS
SHIT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS DIE

>>713622781
Yrs like if FT wasn’t so hard for pugging then I wouldn’t mind but you wipe or get three times in the fight and it fucking done. Like I could see if it was alliance level with stuff like that but it’s some what chaotic level

>>713622004
I've enjoyed and made a lot of money with Chaotic
I've enjoyed how the last crafts/gathering of Cosmic exploration ask you to actually know what you're doing and be geared correctly for it instead of just pressing a button and bot it away
I'm enjoying OC quite a lot, working on my forked tower clear too.

>>713610341
Pinkhroth (aka Pinklala) you don't even play the game annymore, do we need to post your Lodestone again which shows you haven't even touched Dawntrail?

>>713622819
>the buffs wouldn’t matter if they dont give damage
Are you being intentionally retarded or just gaslighting
If you draw cards in a cycle this means
>ewer and spire would almost always be burn fodder unless actually needed to recover mp or tp
>bole would have actual legitimate use either as burn fodder or tank mit
>balance and arrow remain your primary buff use cards
>spear could act as burn fodder or utility such as lowering the cooldown of a tank invuln
You subhumans are so fucking brainrotted you don’t even see the logic behind whats suggested. This game is honestly made for you

>>713623000
checked
Americans woke up

>>713623075
I get the problems. It's hard to make difficult content without annoying penalties like limited raises or body checks, and it isn't difficult, people just call it shit and braindead like alliance raids.
Still, I feel like they could find some sort of middle ground. Body checks are pretty much never a good solution.

>>713623000
the two active wow threads also started at around the same time

but thats probably just a coincidence

The Manderville is the most unfunny millennial humor shit ever I don't get the hype for it at all.

>>713623118
T-that content that every prior expansion (except Stormblood) didn't have at this point in their life cycle if ever doesn't count b-because they just hecking don't okay?!!!!!!??!?!?!!

>>713623118
i'm with you, based game enjoyer
it's good to know some people here actually play

>it's not content if im too shit at the game to do it!!!!!

>>713622813
>>713623084
To be honest, they basically made the life stealing, using health for damage DRK you're describing in PVP already and it works fairly well.

>>713623115
This is probably where the "there should have been a normal mode" sentiment pops in. That way we can have a fairly easy regular Forked Tower and then the people who want to raidtranny it up can do the savage version.
Thank god the next instance(s) will have them.

>>713623118
>I enjoyed getting a single boss fight turned into a glorified trial isntead of getting what we all expected, which was every single Alliance raid (beginning to end) tuned harder not just a single fucking fight from a single fucking raid for SIX MONTHS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FuVAMsGq7Q

>>713622758
Honestly, going from this post and the obvious samefagging going onward, you've listed the content that was released so far. Now if your opinion is basically, looking at your posts after all, "I don't like this stuff therefore it isn't content for me", why should anyone bother answering you?

>>713623278
Always the case
>NO Content
and when you provide examples
>Well I don't like that content so it doesn't count

>>713622758
What people mean is that fight design has been way better.
EW had a major problem of casual stuff being brainless while harder content LOVED body checks.
And yeah, the dungeons were overall a lot more engaging than they have been lately, at least for the first couple weeks.

It's a minor improvement, but it was at least something for people to cope with.

>>713623279
yes it does
... in pvp
do you understand that pvp !== pve
and that in pve a drk that spends health wouldn't work
...UNLESS it was a dps as it maybe should have been (keeping samurai as a tank)

>>713623252
I don't like them. Therefore they don't count as content.
Because I don't like them and therefore they're not content, no work was put into them.

>>713623294
I did yeah, and it offered actually a fairly crazy amount of rewards for just a "single boss" as you said, so it was very rewarding to clear and farm.

>>713623294
>alliance raids
>hard
>ever
bad, glad you're gone.

>>713623278
Raidtrannies like you killed Wildstar and nearly killed WoW until they stopped listening to you retards. Reminder that only 7% of the playerbase even cleared Chaotic.

so now that the thread is over...did you have fun? did you change someone's mind or assert and defend your point?

>>713622819
If you draw them in a cycle and the royal road system remain they all would have use
>ewer and spear get burned unless needed
>balance gets used with the expand
>spear can be burned for extended or used for a tank invuln use, especially to fix a shaky situation
>arrow can be used with spear extend or bole enhance on the one dps that will actually need it
>if you have any leftover expands you can just use them on arrow or bole or simply dump the card on a random target more mp/tp is never bad
Balance wouldn’t be the only card that matters because you can only get it once per cycle

>>713623358
Always the case
>There's so much Content
and when you ask for examples
>Well uh.....Shut up!

>>713623423
I saved the pics of the fat hrothgirl to spank it to in a few minutes.

>>713623118
Yep, it's been fun. Hopefully the deep dungeon is good too. I wish they'd remove the floor 50 clear requirement and added a duty finder element to them, though.

>>713623469
People have provided examples

>>713623423
my best post was ignored
my drk discussion only had 1 serious reply because everyone else is just parroting
the ast shit is stupid, of course cards had a big influence in how you play, people didn't like the extra skill speed they'd get from cards and the fairy buff

>>713623392
CT used to be difficult at times. ST would sometimes cause wipes and WoD would absolutely go to shit quickly.

>>713623368
Oh no no, I was basically agreeing with you, I wasn't the Anon you were replying to.
To be fair the PVP kits have more job lore/fantasy put into them than in PVE and it make them very fun to play, and I hope that change in 8.0 because right now the PVE kits and job fantasy are just trash.

>>713623391
I hope they create some way to unsync it, or make the party size a bit more flexible down the line because I really want those rewards, but the community seems to have abandoned it.

>>713623423
It was nice seeing people call out the "muh homogenization" niggers as the healer one tricks in this game. I do think healers need to be retuned however.

>>713623364
>What people mean is that fight design has been way better.
Bro they added a raid-wide bleed and made attacks slightly faster WOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH BUDDDDDDDDDDDDDDYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY THIS IS FUCKING REVOLUTIONARY

>>713623563
Cerberus still seems to wipe the party half the time I do it. usually people trying to milk the reawakening phase

>>713623494
>Yep, it's been fun.
If it's fun why did only 7% of the playerbase do it?

>We're creating a whole new type of content, distinguished by the new name "Criterion"!
>it's just savage
>We're creating a whole new type of content, distinguished by the new name "Chaotic"!
>it's just savage
Can't wait for next expac's "Crucible" trials (actually just savage again)

>>713623586
it can only change if the combat changes
and you know the team won't go back and change uwu to accomodate for new job changes so like i mentioned before, our best bet are phantom jobs get ported into the base game
pvp kits are great and it sucks to not have them in pve but that's just how it'll be forever
>>713623642
maybe in crystal or whatever dc you're in, who the fuck wipes to cerberus

>>713623625
Smaller hit boxes, more reactive mechanics, more adds, more phase changes, no door bosses, unique music per fight

>>713623739
You're replying to someone who was a covid tourist at best or has never played the game at worst.

>>713623391
>I enjoyed getting one boss for six months and not an entire raid made harder, let alone every past alliance raid (beginning to end) given a chaotic mode
>I am happy with the devs blatant laziness and cheapness here
>I am happy with less

>>713623392
Homestuck I clearly didn't say or even imply Alliance raids were ever hard I said people wanted Alliance raids to be given hard modes. Learn to read.

>>713623625
Anon, it's an improvement over what EW was doing.
It's still shit, but it was at least not AS shit.
>>713623642
Yeah, it happens sometimes.
Every boss used to be a threat though.
I miss ST mechanics actually being seen. Why the fuck did they never readjust HP and shit for the bosses?

>>713623838
Still serves as an example for others.
And I'm sure there are people who are able to describe/provide improvements much better than I can. Not saying anything runs the risk of people just running with a narrative, though.

>>713623869
>I enjoyed getting one boss for six months and not an entire raid made harder, let alone every past alliance raid (beginning to end) given a chaotic mode
>I am happy with the devs blatant laziness and cheapness here
>I am happy with less
now tell us what was in the previous expansions around that time that was "more" and "less blatant lazy and cheap"

>>713623423
>>713623423
>so now that the thread is over...did you have fun?
No, the game is dead and there's no dark-skinned male Roegadyn players left in the Quicksands even. I've just been doing Occult Crescent but even that's gotten old.

>>713623886
ST is a bit weird in that aspect. Scylla used to require you to do lightning orbs correctly but thats about it. Glasya Labolas has been zerg strats since 2.5

i'd argue Amon is harder nowadays since mechanics overlap

>>713623869
>I am happy with less
How much did you enjoy the chaotics in EW, DT, or all the old expansions tourist-kun?

>>713607970 (OP)
insane levels of cope. wuk lamat somehow managed to kill an entire mmo for good
i kneel

>>713624040
the bot won't know how to respond to this, good job

>>713623739
>Smaller hit boxes, more reactive mechanics, more adds, more phase changes, no door bosses, unique music per fight
And yet the jobs are still boring to play so none of that matters.

>>713623869
compared to?

>>713624015
https://youtu.be/rdB13lFexNk

don't worry faux-zene, things will get better

>>713623423
I come into these threads from time to time to see how people are reacting to this game after I dropped it in dawntrail, it seems the only people left are cultists that actually enjoy the stale direction this game has taken so I think its pretty fucked

>>713624119
>it doesn't matter to me so shut up
I don't care if it doesn't matter to you.

>>713624220
>15 year old game has to change fundamentally now because i stopped playing it

>>713623989
We're not talking about the previous expansion, we're talking about Dawntrail.

>>713624040
Why are you bringing up EW or past expansions as if they're relevant to the subject of Chaotic raid being lackluster and just a glorified trial of a single boss (6 months now with not even another one BTW) instead of what everyone wnated, which was hard-mode Alliance raids (the actual ENTIRE RAIDS not just a single boss)? Why are you defending this blatant lazy and cheap garbage? To say nothing of the fact that they tuned it to be savage tier when Yoshi P himself said he wanted it to be extreme but Mr.Ozma made it savage anyway and he just let Ozma get away with it?

Again, if it's so great, why did only 7% of players complete it?

>>713624359
>We're not talking about the previous expansion, we're talking about Dawntrail.
So what are you comparing it to? Lazy and less compared to what? My nutsack?

>>713624257
If the jobs are not fun, you know, that which you actually experience all the content through, than how can said content itself be fun?

i knew the bot wasn't going to be able to respond
nice model, it sucks LOOOL

It's at least refreshing to see that the shitposting is a concerted effort by a handful of people that actually orchestrate and flood the thread simultaneously to shit it up.
Thanks for the good first half of the thread, though, bros.

>>713624359
>6 months now with not even another one BTW
They said Chaotic was an experiment and would decide to make more based on feedback/engagement

>>713624440
>stop having fun! I'M NOT HAVING FUN
>STOP IT
Sorry, but I'm not you. If you don't like or enjoy it, my condolences. But that doesn't take away from my enjoyment. I hope 8.0 brings all the job overhauls of your dreams so you can enjoy it again.

>>713624390
>So what are you comparing it to? Lazy and less compared to what? My nutsack?
I wasn't comparing it to anything, Homestuck, I'm saying it's literal fucking garbage in and of itself. YOU are the one trying to make comparisons as a blatant what-about-ism to deflect criticism because you have no defense for it. You have no defense for Chaotic just bieng a single fight instead of the entire raid (or better yet EVERY Alliance raid tuned harder) which is what everyone expected we'd get instead of a single boss, nor do you have any defense for them tuning it to savage-tier instead of just making it mildly more difficult (nobody was asking for savage alliance raids they just wanted harder mode versions).

But the retarded devs think it's either brain-dead easy or savage tier and absolutely nothing inbetween.

>>713624501
these images are always good and healthy. An Immune system is a constant war against diseases and viruses and constantly adapting to find new diseases and viruses the moment a community is like we've found peace they decay

>713624359
>Why are you bringing up EW
you're the one who asserted DT has no content, tourist-kun
>as if they're relevant to the subject of Chaotic raid being lackluster
not the subject, and the fight was well received enough from what I've seen
> instead of what everyone wnated
subjective
>To say nothing of the fact that they tuned it to be savage tier
only valid thing you've said this whole thread, good job.

>>713624320
thank you for reinforcing my post

the 2 avatarfags showed up to shit up the thread, they remove the avatar to shitpost and make arguments in bad faith

>>713624657
So you're defending the current job design? Are you being serious? Because that's the only way you can argue the current content is fun. I notice you can't explain WHY it's fun.

I don't like how choreographed group content in this game is on harder difficulties. I've done like 4 extremes and don't even want to imagine doing savage. I wish fights were more random instead of doing the same shit every try and were also less fixed on you having near perfect uptime.
I'll just stick to roulettes in the meantime.

>>713624670
>how can you be okay with getting less and worse stuff!
>less and worse compared to what?
>THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT

>>713624771
explain how it isn't
burden of proof is on you

>>713624757
>faux apathetic lowercase
cocoli attempting to start a false flag

>>713624771
I am having fun. The content is fun to play for me.
I am not apologizing for this or throwing the baby out with the bathwater just to placate you, so you'll have to nag at someone else if that's what you're after.

the content can be great but if the jobs are boring there's no replayability.

>>713624915
>everyone 1 person
i hate cocoli
niggers that aren't even subbed shouldn't be allowed in these threads

>>713624687
>you're the one who asserted DT has no content, tourist-kun
Where did I say this? I asked you to decribe what this supposed amazing content was, and you responded with raid-slop. And even if that was what I said, what the fuck does EW have to do with DT lacking content? Why is your go-to-defense for DT being lackluster in the content department to point to a past expansion as if that fucking in any-way-shape-or-form excuses DT being dogshit?

>not the subject, and the fight was well received enough from what I've seen
Anecdotes are not arguments, you know what is? The PROVEN fact that only 7% of players cleared it, so clearly it's not popular at all when only a tiny minority actually did it.

>subjective
Who the FUCK wanted to only have ONE SINGLE FIGHT instead of the entire raids themselves given hard modes? Who the FUCK would want LESS? Are you insane?

>>713625104
cute bot
pat pat pat

Someone get the fat hrothgirl back in here I wanna beat my meat more.

this bot fucking stinks L0000L

>>713625070
cucks who pay for games going in a bad direction don't get to comment

>>713625198
>in a bad direction
according to you, sit down faggot i enjoy what i do and what we get
>BUT YOU'RE JUST EATING SHIT
and you're here discussing a game you don't like????? retard, me and my game live rent free in your head plap plap get mindbroken lil nigga

if the content's so good then why is the playerbase declining?
why would the devs admit they've grown complacent and are looking to improve things?