Thread 713654354

>best bro who's got your back
>other characters and the game itself hate him

>has my back
>constantly screams about super sekrit group in public
I don't think so, Diego.

>>713654428
>officer officer! i overheard this retard saying he was a phantom thief!
>whatever kid I have train molesters to catch
The fact the group was organizing literally everything over SNS clearnet was the biggest danger.

The constant abuse he gets is what entirely turned me away from playing persona

>>713654354 (OP)
It's kind'a hilarious how the localisation failed to show just how grating and obnoxious his manner of speaking was, especially to someone like Morgana.

It's probably just that we don't have any concept of speaking with elegance like a lot of Eastern countries do (funny enough, Indian friend of mine was bemaoning that Pakisani's speak more elegant Hindi than most Indians).

So we're left with this rivalry between him and Morgana that 100% just feels like Morgana constantly flipping out and insulting Ryuji for no reason, and then immediately sulking for attention the second he gets even a little bit of grief back. You're meant to have seen it as Ryuji getting on Morgana's case the entire game until that point, but it just didn't come across at all.

>>713654354 (OP)
First time playing a post p2 persona game? All the bro characters get treated like shit for a bit

>>713654354 (OP)
Every bro character in a persona game goes through the humiliation ritual so the emasculated pussyboys playing the game don't feel threatened by them
Junpei at least escaped the curse by the end of his character development by having a waifu of his own, but apparently that wasn't okay because in 4 and 5 it's just constant buttmonkey shit

>>713654703
Didn't they have a super secret group chat that was set up by the greatest hacker in the world? Though I guess it means diddly squat if Joker freely texts people outside the group with it.

>>713655496
Nopan?

>>713655810
Yosuke had one of the best S.Links in the entire game though.

>>713655496
They unironically should've made him a wigger who constantly calls people his nigga

>>713654354 (OP)
He's a cuck and his fans are retarded

>>713654354 (OP)
legit pissed me off how the other much worse characters treated ryuji, particularly Morgana. that nigger was projecting his useleness and insecurities into our bro hardcore.

>>713655976
>He's a cuck
No thats the cat, faggot

Ryuji was the entire reason Makoto caught them.

>>713655946
Yet a lot of people still hate him.

>>713655810
Yosuke got off relatively okay. He had a couple of leader moments in his game and got the toaster in Arena.

>>713655617
You do realise Eikichi was the first instance of the whole bro archetype, right?

No? Guess you never even played p2 lmao

>>713655971
You're not wrong. It would have been an almost insultingly grating localiation that would have had /v/ raging into oblivion (including me), but it would actually be faithful for how obnoxious his way of speaking is meant to be.

>>713656161
People (read: faggots on twitter) don't like him because he's a homophobe (read: um based?).

>>713656132
>Proving right away how faggy you fans are
Lmao

>>713656309
>YOOOOOOOOOO WAS GOOD NIGGA WE BACK IN BLACK

>>713656142
I mean, it is a funny moment. But if you really want to point fingers, Joker let himself be tailed by Makoto all month and either doesn't notice or doesn't say anything to his teammates. Try to separate the fact that he's the player character and literally (You) from the story, that was unacceptably careless for someone who has the most to lose from being caught.

>>713654354 (OP)
>tell him to shut up because you've got a secret
>he constantly shouts the secret in public

>>713656629
What did Nanjo mean by this?

>>713656665
Yup.

>>713656738
Talking about being PT's in the middle of a public metro is not a big deal at all. Like, how often do you listen to a bunch of teenagers talking nonsense in a crowded (and loud) subway station? And why would anyone take them seriously.

The phonecall is more egregious, but that's on Joker for letting everything with Makoto play out and for not shutting him up too.

>>713654354 (OP)
this nigga

For whatever reason, people relate to Ryuji the most, so whenever he gets insulted, they take it as a personal attack.

Why does Makoto get the credit for suggesting Leblanc as the Phantom Thieves hideout all the time?

>>713654354 (OP)
P5 suffered from too much bloat. The cast should've been picrel and left at that.

Morgana is the biggest piece of shit on the game and I always cuck him with Anne just to see that fucking cat seethe. Atlus victimizing this disgrace is fucking shitty, too.

>>713657521
Morgana should've been hit by a truck and died early in the game. Hate that character.

>>713655496
Westerns absolutely have a concept of elegance in speech. But the shut ins who hype up jrpgs online have not spent enough time outside to realize that ghetto retards who speak ebonics come in all colors and made the entire narrative surrounding the game about it being racist.

>>713654354 (OP)
Why is every "best bro" in Persona a raging closeted homo.
Yosuke's made the entire social link made Kanji's dungeon look straight for example.

>>713657050
>For whatever reason

>Average player is a young man
>Joker is Le literally me but has no actual voice or personality or anything beyond the odd quippy line
>Yusuke is a cartoonish flowery starving artist cliche that doesn't really exist irl or few could relate to being
>Sojiro is a grizzled old man, most gamers aren't this (yet)
>Morgana's problem isn't really relateable or not in the way it's presented due to him being an annoying little faggot mascot cat
>Mishima is barely a character literal npc
>Gun shop guy is also a grizzled old man
>Every other dude is a somewhat cartoonish super villain

Ryuji is just a normalish guy, he tries to do whats right, he's funny, he likes sport, he likes the hot blonde girl, sexy maids, bowling and shiiet so makes sense to me

>>713657505
Same issue as with Naoto. There isn't actually a whole lot in the game's story that specifically requires a tactician. Subsequently, the only meaningful input that Makoto can have generally consists of obvious shit that you don't need to be especially smart to come up with. The Phantom Thieves' operation just doesn't require Makoto at all. As proof, despite them praising how much her input matters to the group, the reality is that things don't actually change a whole lot after she joins. They still kinda just keep doing things the same way they always have.

Like she's the "brains" of the outfit, but this was never really an outfit that needed brains.

>>713657505
Price is a banger tho.

>>713658303
Yeah but he's really stupid and I find myself disagreeing with a lot of his attitude. You have to remember that Ryuji is actually pretty divisive as well. There's a reason he was THE posterchild of the phrase "SHITTY ADULTS!". He's a brainless twit whose emotions are constantly at 120%.

>>713658572
I guess. I somehow forgot to mention he's also THE cool rebel character he wants to rally against injustice and say fuck the man, very relatable easy to side with stuff in the Western world, he ranks highly here but if i recall he's kinda low in the JP popularity polls

>>713656161
Yosuke is a good character, but not a likeable one. He's absolutely pathetic, and way too realistic.

>>713658303
>he likes the hot blonde girl
No, they very specifically clamped down on that. He's not interested in Anne at all. They should have just given Ryuji a girlfriend.

>>713657505
I mostly agree with this. Futaba at least has an actual niche (being the group's tech support/hackerman) and Akechi joining up makes sense for plot reasons, but yeah everyone else past and maybe even including Yusuke didn't really add anything to the group and felt like they were only there for gameplay reasons

>>713656629
>Persona 1 race swaps aren't unappealing
What was different back then?

Is persona worth playing?

>>713655496
>Morgana
the thing is a shitter so who cares a unlikeable shitter

>>713658303
The character I related the most to in the series was Keisuke.
I will admit that Junpei "da Man" Iori is intrinsically the greatest character of all time.

>>713654354 (OP)
They do this because they don't want to make the self insert MC to look bad in case the fat retard otakus start feeling NTR'd and burn down another studio

>>713657505
>>713659539
The only plot relevant members of the Phantom Thieves are Futaba and Makoto (less so). Cutting both of them is ridiculous. Think about it, the overarching plot about Shido, the shutdowns and everything going on. Who's connected to that? Who has any stake in that at all?

Anne? No. Yusuke? No. Ryuji? No. Makoto? Yes, halfway at least. Futaba? Yes.

That's a perfect example of what made P4 so good, the framing device in P4 was far, far stronger and it meant that every one of the main cast was personally affected and had real investment in what was going on.

>>713654428
>Teenager claims to be part of super secret group
You didn't have that guy who claimed to be a super hacker in school but refused to show his skills? Its almost like teenagers are known to lie and say stupid unbelievable shit that most people wouldn't believe.

>>713659990
Persona4Golden is absolutely worth playing. The other games, eh. If you liked Golden enough, you might have fun with them too. But be prepared for

>Tartarus
>Akechi

Both of which heavily bring down their respective games. Just like how Kamoshida was a peak that P5 never again reaches, P4 was a peak that the Persona franchise has never again reached.

>>713660841
its crazy how many anons here just didnt have friends

>>713660771
>worst characters are the most plot relevant
Yeah that sucked

>>713660771
The people that matter in 5 are Joker, Morgana, and Futaba. Makoto seems like she's going to be important, then impacts nothing. Not to use this to defend a 4fag though.

>>713660771
The plot relevant characters could've supported on the sidelines, but they didn't need to be thieves. They cut into the banter that worked very well with the original 4 and it was just too overcrowded.

>>713660960
>>713661403
I'm not saying they're the best characters (although I did like Futaba), I'm just saying they're the ones that're related to the plot.

Putting them out or on the sidelines is silly. Why would the plot be starring people who have no connection to it?

>>713661106
Makoto kind'a does through Sae which connects to Akechi and Shido. It's not as strong as Futaba but it is what it is.

>>713661720
Makoto should have been important through Sae, but she isn't. The writers chose to include the interogator's sister as a recruitable party member and love interest, then do absolutely nothing with it.

>>713660907
>P4 was peak
lol
lmao, even

>>713655810
The problem is that 4 and 5 characters get essentially no character development after they get their personas. It all happens in the alternate dimension of social links, which by their nature can't have any real impact on the main story outside of a couple of times where it checks your romance flags.

>>713654428
you say that like anyone would actually believe the phantom thieves actually exists and isn't just a bunch of teenagers' little pretend group. Like SuRe you are a part of some super secret group of cool superheros who enter people's minds and fight monsters

>>713654428
>people defending retarded Ryuji

>>713662228
tbf there was this one guy in persona 3
no actual explanation why this guy would believe the dark hour exists
he just does

>>713662094
I don't really see how you would go about the social links being affecting the main story in an effective and worthwhile way without it seeming bloated or tacked on. Like how exactly would getting in a relationship with Chie for instance change the story other than her mentioning it in passing or having a few lines of dialogue sprinkled in where she becomes jealous of the other girls? It seems kind of pointless.

>>713654354 (OP)
He's threatening to the kinds of fragile people who play persona games.

>>713662862
Trivial bits entice people. The slightest dialogue changes tell people that you actually care about their choices. Bugs don't care because they don't have feelings or thoughts, but humans do care when their choices are acknowledged.

>>713662460
To be fair the Kirijo corp practically owns all of Tatsumi Port Island. He's aware that something is going on but doesn't understand the details, so my guess is that Mitsuru's dad bought him off to sell weapons and keep quiet about it.

>>713662094
>>713662862
Poor example, because you being in a relationship with one of the girls DOES come up in main story dialogue in 4. It's 3 and 5 that don't have that.

There's also really funny dialogue when you run into them in the dungeon where the girls can realise you're cheating on them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGR_zqHej4

>>713654354 (OP)
After replaying Persona 5, I'm realizing Ryuji really is the worst of the "bro" characters. I'll admit, Ryuji will fucking ride or die for you, but I still find him pretty irritating and written in a stupid way. It's not really fair to Ryuji because he has good parts in the game, but there's too many moments where the game just sets him up to be a total fucking moron even though his confidant/social link 5 minutes ago displayed how mature and reasonable he can be.

It's really, really fucking bad. The guy has level 6 guts and jumps in front of a car to chase after Makoto, but also won't shut the fuck up when he needs to and actively causes problems by being a show off later in the game. Morgana was being a bitch but he was too so it just sucked all around. They had to make up for it later by giving him time to shine on Baldy's ship palace, but then half-assed it right afterwards for a Japanese humor moment.

And holy fuck is his Japanese VA great at sounding annoying as shit. I get what >>713655496 means because the way Ryuji sounds in Japanese can sound surprisingly whiny and bitchy after you've listened to his English VA for a while. It's like a reverse Yosuke with the JP/EN voices.

Yusuke is Persona 5's best and most bearable character and it's not even close.

>>713663468
I wouldn't really call that main story dialogue. That's a good example of social link progress modifying dialogue, but I think anons are talking more of actual story moments having their lines slightly changed based on how the characters have grown through their social links, not just commenting on who's romancing who.

>>713662094
>pic
Man, I love how dreary Inaba is. There's something inherently charming about unpretentious post-war Japanese architecture. In any other country I'd probably say it's depressing, but the Japanese are respectful of public property so everything is at least clean and functional. The average structure is so small that it imparts a feeling of intimacy, like it's waiting for someone or something to fill it up.

I'm just bummed that the remake is probably going to rape the atmosphere harder than Golden did.

>>713655496
do breasts really look like that

>>713654354 (OP)
Literally the only worthwhile character in the team

>>713655810
Junpei gets a QT goth gf though

>>713663894
ask your mom

>>713663804
Well, like I said, P4 does mention things like who took who you took to the festival and fireworks and so on.

I agree that I'd like all the games to have a lot more meshing of S.Link stuff with the main story, and I really think they should put a lot more effort in, in general. But my point is that it's a bit silly to call P4 out on that when P4 DOES do it, while P3 and P5 don't.

>>713663743
Ryuji's S.Link was pretty damn good, if his main story character was that good I'd like him a lot more.

>>713654354 (OP)
Every character except for Makoto and Joker is a fucking punching bag. That being said Ryuji is still a bad character

>>713654428
It's extra annoying because his arc in his social link has him realize he can't be a wild reactionary dumbass, meanwhile in game he's walking right into Shido's face when they're supposed to be incognito.

>>713663468
>Since your room was so clean, I thought about following your example, Yu-kun.
>You're right, Yu-kun has a very clean room.
Yukikochads we can't stop winning.

>>713663860
The anime did unforgivable amounts of damage to 4. It's a very faithful adaptation in terms of the plot and pacing, but it completely destroyed Yosuke's character, turned up some character quirks, and fully framed P4 as a bright and cheery game. There were hints of a "something's not right" with the original game and the constant slight fog further emphasized that dreariness. And every future addition to 4 kept twisting it and now it's just about this gigahunk fucking all the bitches, and taking down shadows while climactic trumpets and bright colors ring across the sky as he proclaims how friendship is the best.

>>713664213
I'm tired, Anon... It's exhausting to just keep winning...

>>713664272
At least people fucking remember the P4 anime.

The Devs were so buttmad about Yuu getting a personality they demanded Joker be a wooden block and nobody's talked about the P5 anime since.

>>713664272
In the meta context of flanderization, that's actually hilarious. P4 itself keeps getting twisted by entities outside the control of the narrative.

>>713663468
>Nothing's going on, right?...
:(

>>713663127
>>713663468
I wouldn't call trivial mentions enough to be considered actual character development that greatly affects the main story. I am going to ask again, Like how exactly would getting in a relationship with Chie for instance change the story other than her mentioning it in passing or having a few lines of dialogue sprinkled in where she becomes jealous of the other girls? It seems kind of pointless.

>>713664427
I thought people didn't talk about 5's anime because it was just plain bad.

>>713662094
P3 characters had no development whatsoever

I enabled ryuji every chance I could

>>713664272
>and fully framed P4 as a bright and cheery game
HOLY FUCKING SHIT STOP IT WITH THIS RETARDED ASS MEME ALREADY

p4 was never fucking serious; you are not fooling anyone

cope

I just want another manga for P5 so we can get Joker, Ryuji, and Yusuke hanging out and being idiots.

>>713664551
I'm agreeing that I want more. I'm saying that there should be more.

I'm also saying that P4 is the wrong whipping horse for this argument since it makes more of an effort than the other games, it does recognise which girls you're dating and does bring that up during the main story.

>>713656132
Kek is this an edit?

>>713664427
What the fuck is her problem?

>>713664861
in a trivial way yes
however it is meaningless and doesn't actually change the story which is part of the point I am getting at

>>713664882
No, that happens in-game

>>713664882
No, it happened in-game.

So, the P5 anime is mediocre to bad.
P4G anime is good, but best viewed as a NG+ adaptation.
What about P3?

>>713655496
sex with aqua, sorry

>>713665008
Darkness is better.

>>713660907
This is amazing. You have managed to write a post I disagree with on every single point.

>>713654354 (OP)
He's literal bro which is why he's always in my party that mona mons can go fuck itself

>>713665156
>Akechi defender

>>713665006
The movies are good but do take some pretty extensive creative liberties. If you've played p3, this shouldn't be a problem. However, this also means that you can't treat it like a substitute for playing the game (good), unlike with p4.

>>713665232
Go on. You have the floor.

Prove your dogshit opinion.

>>713665068
yes, but a nude edit of darkness wasn't posted

>>713664204
That's every S-Link doe. John Atlus doesn't have the time to make main story events conform to S-Link progression.

>>713665320
>Guy murders and maims hundreds of people
>Executes two of the main party's parents in cold blood
>Was so excited thinking he'd killed Joker he practically came in his pants
>Has the least sad backstory of anyone in the entire cast
Yeah bro, amazing character. I sure am glad that Royale tripled down on writing him like Joker's fujo love intereest. And I'm extra super glad that the original cathartic ending was completely undone specifically so the writers could assure you, "Don't worry, Akechi got away with everything. He's perfectly fine."

(Meanwhile Adachi kind'a sort'a killed two people indirectly, and Mitsuo killed one person, and the narrative was extremely clear the entire time that they were fucked up people who'd done something terrible and needed to go to jail.)

>>713665609
>Futaba's entire reason for joining the PT's was to avenge her mother
>Comes face to face with the guy who executed her in cold blood
>Every one of her friends is all but falling on their knees, begging this guy to be their friend
>Including Haru, whose father he also executed
>She joins him
>"Don't worry, you can start again anytime!"
Oh yeah, Haru didn't forgive him though. Definitely did not forgive him. Just, y'know, went miles out of her way to save his life, to protect him from any consequences, hung out with him without any problems, never once raised any issues with him being treated as a friend.

But yeah, grr, he's not forgiven!

>>713665609
not him but Adachi is basically the mirror opposite of John Kramer and his whole philosophy is completely retarded in a similar way

I agree, Akechi is dogshit.

>Gets his ass beat by his friends after he almost dies for them
I would have became evil and stabbed them all in the back if I was him.

>>713665779
They should have had the option for Haru to brutally dismember Gaykechi instead of accepting him into the party.

>>713665609
Don't forget
>All of the Thieves get their own partner All Out Attack
>Joker only gets one with Kasumi (in a fuckin wedding chapel lmao) and Akechi.
It's so blatantly obvious.

>>713665609
I'm only going to reply once because you are, first and most important of all, retarded, and I need to go to bed.

>>Guy murders and maims hundreds of people
>>Executes two of the main party's parents in cold blood
>>Was so excited thinking he'd killed Joker he practically came in his pants
And this is bad because...?

>>Has the least sad backstory of anyone in the entire cast
No...? Also, why does this matter? His backstory is good because it allows us to understand his motives. That's all that matters. And his backstory does a good job at that, especially in Royal with his enhanced social link.

>I sure am glad that Royale tripled down on writing him like Joker's fujo love intereest.
Two guys hanging out isn't gay, dude. You should stop using twitter so much and stop projecting your closeted homosexuality unto others. It's really gay.

>And I'm extra super glad that the original cathartic ending was completely undone specifically so the writers could assure you, "Don't worry, Akechi got away with everything. He's perfectly fine."
Your only decent argument for why he's bad is this. I could point to Adachi's entire social link and say it's trash. Just compare it to Akechi's. This doesn't prove that he's a bad villian.

The only thing you've proven is your own stupidity. No wonder you like p4: the worst persona game.

>(Meanwhile Adachi kind'a sort'a killed two people indirectly, and Mitsuo killed one person, and the narrative was extremely clear the entire time that they were fucked up people who'd done something terrible and needed to go to jail.)
Yeah, Akechi also has motives and kills people to achieve his ambitions. Your stupid.

>>713665864
He really is, besides Fujos does anyone actually like that faggot?

>>713665779
Whatever, I'll give you this one as well.

Maybe you'll seethe so hard you'll die.

>>"Don't worry, you can start again anytime!"
Is empathy a foreign thing for you? Yes, Akechi killed their parent, and they hate him for it, but they feel sympathy for him because he was obviously in a lot of pain because of the things he had gone through, which is why they tried to cheer him on. Kinda like how people can relate to Adachi. You know, someone who also killed people? But I guess you forgot about that huh? Since you like him maybe? Could that possibly be because you feel sympathy for him? Despite him being a killer?

/v/ermin ought to be glassed

Akechi didn't execute anyone in cold blood. The entire post comes from someone who thinks Kamoshida is the peak of the game though, so they probably didn't even finish it. Then again that person also believes P5 is about Shido and P4 is about murder kek

I also forgot to mention how you can literally tell Adachi after his fight that it's not too late to start over.

So, yeah, seethe, cope, and dilate

Delicious pancakes

>>713655894
They did but not for the first 4 or so months of the game.

>>713666662
>Akechi didn't execute anyone in cold blood.
Cold blood means no feelings attached. Akechi didn't care who he killed. At least, there is no evidence to suggest he gave a shit.

That said, yeah, the p4fag is retarded, like usual.

Played P5 first but I ended up liking P4 most, still haven't gotten around to P3 though. What's the definitive/best version of that game?

>>713666879
fes with ai party members

>>713666879
Reload :^)

>>713657505
but muh harem

>>713666879
Reload with the music restoration mod

>>713666973
>muh harem
Probably a very controversial opinion to hold, but I'd be fine with party members shacking up with other members if you don't make a move. Like Kanji and Naoto.

>>713654354 (OP)
The game is a ricecel powerfantasy. This character is the antithesis of ricecels and was created to be a punching bag to make their pathetic audience feel better about themselves.

>>713666879
It’s Reload by far, it fleshes out the later party members a lot better

>>713667247
You mean Kanji and Rise.

>>713667247
japs will never allow it

>>713656297
Many such cases.

>>713654428
Meanwhile Joker got the secret group exposed to all his out of school acquaintances.

>>713664750
4 has a child die on screen in one of the bad endings which is darker and more grim than anything in 3 if you want to be juvenile about it. That's actual edge and not 3's safe edgy.

>>713654354 (OP)
Ren/Ann/Ryuji threesome in that Hawaii hotel room

>>713664889
To be fair, that's September Junpei. Right around the Full Moon Operation where he gets kidnapped by Chidori because he was LARPing as the leader of SEES. So he's at the peak of his obnoxiousness and the worst his character ever gets.

He objectively did nothing wrong

>>713667247
I agree. In an ideal world they'd limit the waifu stuff to two girls max. You still have a choice but then they can really flesh out the romance part instead of it feeling like a tacked on 15 minute's worth of actual content obligation since they have to write for like 8 or 9 different girls.

This will of course never happen thoughever.

>>713666269
>Guy murders and maims hundreds of people
>Erm why is this bad!?
Average 4hater

>>713666879
Unless you wanna pay for an incomplete remake, emulate FES with mods or buy P3P with mods.

>>713659539
Yusuke was pretty funny and was great when it was just Joker, Anne, Ryuji, and him. His character trope excels with a small group though.

>>713667247
Purifyfags on both sides will shit and piss their pants if the girls in the games aren't sucking their self-insert's dick 24/7.

>>713667247
>Ryuji and Ann
>Futaba and Yusuke
>Joker and Kawakami
These are my personal canon pairings

>>713668161
yeah, the chemistry between the three was off the charts. I wish the other characters didn't exist so we can fully enjoy it.
I wish it was like P3 where the other characters were "senpei" and only occasionally show up for dungeons or study sessions.

>>713667247
giga based

>>713667247
The majority likely agree with you, but the problem is the minority will likely Kyoani any devs that do this.

>Persona 3 Reload is still seventy dollars
Death to Atlus.

>>713668072
That is the bad ending, meanwhile the original still has the school campout, the drag show and the King's Game. Oh and Nanako gets better not even five minutes after she dies.

>>713656095
*shoves stupidji off bed; starts raping slut ann*

>>713669818
When it was just those three the group was a ton of fun, Yusuke was good too but it was clear adding any more would muddle the chemistry and it did. I like Makoto but everyone takes a backseat to her and Futaba

>>713665474
They should just assume every does the social links around the same times and write the story so that character development appears at those months

>>713666879
>all the people saying reload
FESsisters…

>>713661980
yeah go ahead and post your essay fag

>>713667247
>Akihiko will never fuck Mitsuru
PAIN.

>>713654354 (OP)
ok homo

>>713674746
woolie...

>>713657804
some brownoid wouldn't know lmao
they don't care about our culture and language, what do they know

>>713676056
>randomly crying about browns
holy schizo

>>713663468
I really liked how P4 handled the player being a cheating manwhore. Non stop emotional gut punches. The valentines day stuff is downright brutal.

>>713663468
man, p4 really didn't pull any punches on this stuff did it

>>713664069
Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean by him escaping the curse, since he had his own love interest who had nearly no interactions with the MC at all, so you'd at least assume that the audience wouldn't feel cucked by it. Evidently not, though, since they never touched that shit with a ten foot pole ever again.

>>713667247
I agree, but I really don't think there's any safe way to do it without triggering the schizos that would kyoani devs over it
Maybe if it only happened after your last free time day, and only for girls you explicitly rejected (so even someone you didn't finish the SL for wouldn't qualify)
But purityfags would probably lose it over that because "oh there's a universe where she isn't mine and mine alone"

>>713672370
Yeah, the characters were way more enjoyable when the group was smaller. You can see the very clear drop in writing quality when Makoto's scenario happens, and then when everything about the stupid conspiracy overtakes the rest of the game, which then pushes Makoto and Futaba to more important narrative positions in the story and they end up hogging most of the limelight.

>>713658572
He's just stuck holding the bag because he's the party voice in the righteous indignation stroke offs with villains. The attitude is there across all of them, if Ryuji is stupid they all are.

>>713677584
>But purityfags would probably lose it over that because "oh there's a universe where she isn't mine and mine alone"
How do these people deal with the fact that thousands of other players are also waifuing their waifu?

If the writers were really scared of fans claiming NTR they wouldn't have written the entire Kamoshida/Ann storyline

>>713665779
God I fucking hate Royal so much. It's pure fujoshi fanfic

>>713682786
Kamoshida is the unambiguous enemy, the NTR bastard vibes are tolerated as a motive to fight him. It's different when the """NTR""" consists in the friends of the MC daring to have a sex drive.

>>713682642
listen, friend. I might be a cuck in real life, but there is no way I am gonna deal with that shit in my fictional world.

>>713654354 (OP)
Ryuji was a retard, but he was a giga-homie. A much better homie than Junpei for sure.

>>713685546
best homie is Eikichi, but I don't expect a kid like you to know him.

>>713685802
I'm probably at least a decade older than you

>>713665008
Please do not the retard.

>>713685875
I'm old enough to have had a pen pal through a magazine. Do you even know what a magazine is?

Persona 5 is fujo slop
The original globe trotting adventure sounds better than the slop we got

>>713656837
The number 1 man in Japan was too based for this world