https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

We're gaining so much traction it's unreal. At this pace we WILL make it, bros.

yep, SIGNED

>>713685836 (OP)
Not signing this woke Communist garbage.

>>713685836 (OP)
Reminder for people who think the pushback against this is because "developing games would become more expensive":

>This has nothing to do with development cost, it's all about planned obsolescence. Publishers WANT games to be inaccessible at some point because then players would be forced to buy a new one.

>The worst thing for publishers is for games to never die, because people would still play old games. There's even a study that was done which confirmed that, on average, people are playing games that are at least 6 years old. This is terrible for sales, or at least it looks terrible in the eyes of publishers.

>That's also one of the major reasons why console companies are against emulation. The last thing Nintendo wants is for hundreds of thousands or millions of people to still play Gen1-Gen5 Pokemon without buying whatever the new generation is. And judging from pirated downloads, discussions and videos, there's still a fuckton of people playing PKMN versions released between 1996 and 2005 instead of buying and playing the new games. From Nintendo's perspective that's a $5-$100 million loss in sales per PKMN generation. So, they're literally losing sales to their own abandoned product.
>If they could just remotely kill that product (delete all old ROMs and cartridges), they believe it would bring them dozens if not hundreds of millions in profit.

So I get that there is attention for it due to Cr1tkal covering it, but I thought the problem was the language barrier.

>>713685985
The problem was that bad faith actors managed to muddy the water in the beginning, but now they lost control of the narrative.

>>713685985
Largely, yeah. The EU was never going to work like the US for this reason: the people are too divided by culture and language to even know what's going on in their neighbor states unless it gets big enough for someone to cover it in their own language. Imagine there being a language barrier between Texas and Colorado. Total dysfunction.

>>713685978
shill schizobabble
you're not fooling anyone

Are any big European youtubers talking about this? wtf are you guys doing

>Almost 10 am
>Almost 10,000 today
I'm glad that this has somehow picked up steam again. If it makes it, that'll be great, if it doesn't, at least we know there are people out there that care about this and might take up the mantle.

>>713685985
>I thought the problem was the language barrier.
It is. Most Euros don't speak English at all and at most just understand a dozen of words. Similar to how a weeb would understand a dozen basic Japanese words.
The generations which know English are all under 30yo.

I have no idea what's going on. What got killed?

>>713686082
>Imagine there being a language barrier between Texas and Colorado
Holy KINO this would be so peak, we need to ban English in all 50 states and only allow injun languages so this kino could come true!

>>713686168
>>713686082
So why the sudden uptick? If the problem was the language barrier then why is it suddenly now surging again after more english videos came out?

Still confused why there are fags on this very board unironically bitching and moaning about this

>THE EU IS AN UNELECTED DICTATORSHIP THAT RULES YOU! YOU CAN'T DECIDE YOUR MASTERS
>IS... IS THAT DIRECT DEMOCRACY? AIEEEE YOU CAN'T DO THAT
FUCK corporat shills and seething russians.

Here's how petitioners can still win

>>713685836 (OP)

>>713685836 (OP)
Embarrassingly low numbers
Just shows how few people there actually are in the bubble
Don't care about the outcome either way, I don't play live service slop

>>713686212
Le because it's sooooooo le ebin to le be a le contrarian.

>>713686215
>RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA
holy medication

>>713686285
Can't they just emulate or pirate it?

>>713686205
Because the terminally online English-speaking Euros have now been informed about this. This whole thing just wasn't advertised anywhere in the past 6 months.

>>713686291
I'm in EU. Most people I know don't even own a computer and their one and only computing device is a smartphone. People are far removed from giving a shit about this topic.

>>713686285
Damn is there porn?

>>713686332
>Tranime
LOL

>>713686332
Unless if the game has a dedicated autist who can trick the game into connecting to a random server instead of the one hard coded for the game, not really.

>>713686332
How do you pirate a central server?

>>713686212
The last thing I want in my vidya is government interference you fucking commie piece of shit

at what point does this blatant shilling become a bannable offence?

>>713686320
Mad

>>713686212
actual shills and newfags who listen to said shills and say what they think will make them sound the most based to le epic 4channers

>>713685985
Yeah, apparently Americans can't speak or understand English properly.

>>713686332
It's for games that require servers they phone home to. MMOs, live service, etc. Things that effectively cease to exist entirely when the devs take down the official servers. This would let players host their own servers.

>>713686359
So you don't know.

>>713686362
Which games does this affect? Examples?

>>713685985
>>713686082
that's bullshit, most young people in europe know english, especially when they play games
I know france, spain and germany translate a lot of their games, but even still most online-focused games are in english and they watch a lot of american tubers too

>>713686368
People managed to get the shit like Tera, Ragnarok Online, Lunia, and the old Capcom MMOs working

>>713686332
That would require that some autist can reverse-engineer the server software and then write a mod for the game that tricks it into connecting to either a locally hosted server, or a community-run one.

>>713686186
zoomers learning MMOs don't exist in perpetuity and started having buyers-remorse for all the money they wasted on Fortnite, so are now trying to force governments to seize the means of production and nationalise video games.

>>713686398
which games does what affect?

>>713686414
>Eurabians brag about being castrated vassal cuckolds
LOL

>>713686168
>It is. Most Euros don't speak English at all and at most just understand a dozen of words
This is so hilariously wrong.
t. American living and traveling in Europe for 9 years

>>713686082
Unfortunately the US wasn't even an option since your government likes to suck corpo dick too much that this wasn't even possible before it started there
EU is literally the only option that matters, with the UK as emergency backup

>>713686397
>MMOs
Oh for fucks sake. So subscription based shit specifically? Games that didn't have an offline mode to begin with since they're entirely server based? The reasonable expectation there would be that they'd shut down at some point, if that's the case.

>>713685981
Did you take that from the page or something? What incentive are devs going to have to release games when they need to fork over an endless amount of money to keep dead servers active? This question has not been answered nearly a year onward.

>>713685981
I think the Pokemon comparison is pretty poor when it comes to SKG. Pokemon community has their own fans of nuzlocke, comp, and speedrunners who plays the older games. There is also connectivity between all gens + Pokemon Home.

Planned obsolescence is a good way to put it in general tho, as it is basically what devs/publishers are doing.

>>713686398
All MMOs, all games with centralized matchmaking, all games with persistent worlds, all games with live service elements like Helldivers 2.

Anything that requires connection to a central server to play.

>>713686373
Goverment involvement is what allows corporations and their bullshit in check.
If goverment never cared what corporations do, you'd probably be posting this from the United Warehouse Zones of Amazon or some shit.

>>713686459
>force governments to seize the means of production and nationalise video games.
based, not a corpo so it's not my problem if corpos get cucked by EUssr

10k today
>>713686486
He's yanking your chain. It's any game that someone has paid for. In fact, MMO's are the only exceptions that Ross outlined because those do have set service dates.

>>713686376
oh don't worry, when i get banned for posting the campaign link i just reboot my modem to get a new dynamic ip, and i will keep doing so for the next month just to make you seethe about it

>>713686530
All games that are shit and should not be made

>>713686542
it's easier to just say you hate video games.

>>713686551
Oh, okay. That makes more sense then. So basically like those newer games that won't start unless you're signed in to your [insert publisher here] account. Fuck them for doing that.

If that's all this is about, I support it.

>>713686551
>MMO's are the only exceptions that Ross outlined because those do have set service dates.
what does that mean? mmos have expiration dates? first i've heard of it

>>713686475
You're mostly interacting with millennials and gen z then, since these generations grew up online.
Most of Europe just doesn't know English. I actually live here and I traveled to most Euro countries.

post yfw a law gets passed that requires Nintendo to release a server tool for legacy versions of fucking Mario Kart

>>713686649
Subscription MMOs are subscription services and as services, they're not goods.

How did we get thousands of signatures in the dead of night (EU time)? That's really impressive

>>713686606
That much should be obvious if you take a look where we are posting

>>713686693
yes i know, but it sounds like mmos somehow have set expiration dates
maybe i'm just reading it wrong

>>713686672
>tfw nintendo gets sued for shutting down mario royal

>>713686649
In the initial video he brings it up as a grey area because of subscription fees. So any game that has a mandatory subscription in order to access the game could get away with just being shut down, since it's primarily a service, rather than a good.

>>713686672
Nintendo is the one that's going to be least affected, all of their games are playable offline and they're dedicated to preserving their always online shit (see pocket camp getting an offline release). None of their games require server verification to start and are only partially multiplayer with no microtransactions. They're actually pretty good at preserving their own stuff.

>>713686634
Yeah, think of those games that for some reason don't have community servers and rely only on the developer server. That's what this is trying to punish.

>>713686649
The simple explanation is that MMO subscriptions are like any other subscription: You pay for a month of access and you get that access for the set period of time. Ideally, these wouldn't also go down in flames either but baby steps. Meanwhile, other games are treated as goods, sold as goods but are treated like services with no specific period of service. Could be 20+ years (Guild Wars) or 1 week (Concord).

>>713686709
>gamers have shit sleep schedules
What? No way?

>>713686373
yeah bro, let corporations decide on everything, that's soooooo much better

>>713685985
People can speak and understand english, that's not the problem.
The problem is that their native language doesn't have coverage about it, and many people don't go out of their way to listen english-speaking e-celebs.

>>713686739
It wasn't a paid product and offered as a free subscription bonus. There's literally no angle of attack to "get" Nintendo with this. Which is why I hope they'd support it publicly but optics and such

>>713686743
>>713686751
got it anons, now it makes sense, appreciate the explanation

>>713686649
>mmos have expiration dates?
Fucking obviously. They're entirely server based, you expect those servers to stay up forever and ever until the end of time? It's like demanding 4chan remain available to you for all eternity because you paid for a pass once, it's so clearly unreasonable it shouldn't have to be explained why.

>>713686756
>>713686709
Probably Russiabots in their siberian timezones (Ruzzians are the only ones pushing this so EU forgets about Ukraine so they can annex it.)

>>713686743
yeah if the game is explicitly advertused as a service you subscribe too, it wouldn't be covered by the same legal protections you should have when purchasing a product
right now everything is a shitfest of logins and servers when they shouldn't be able to

>>713686834
Sasha you're so fucking maaad

>>713686801
>People can speak and understand english
why are Eurabians so cucked? Can't even speak their own languages, so sad.

>>713686824
other anons already explained it
>you expect those servers to stay up forever and ever until the end of time?
obviously not, but i'd rather have the publisher be forced to release server code so people can enjoy it after it's shut down

Alright /v/, let's say you're Blizzard/Epic/Tencent etc. You're making an online-only game, but SKG's ideas become law in the EU.
You can't abandon the market, but you're clever. You can probably take advantage of loopholes to screw people over and force them to buy the next game anyways.

How would you "maliciously comply" with SKG while still TECHNICALLY following it to the letter?

I'm surprised he hasn't deleted it yet.

They just Killed Mario Kart World too.

Nintendo already does it, why can't (((they)))?

>>713686967
Never technically retire the servers, just leave them on outdated hardware with 1/1000th the power needed to make the game playable.

>>713686967
Make every game subscription based.
Wait no, that would still turn people away.

>>713686982
Daily reminder he's mainly assmad about this because he wants to make his own live service crap.

>>713686967
probably make some shit like "by paying for this product you're given a lifetime subscription to our services" or whatever and then when they shut it down they just say "well the subsceription expired, it's for the lifetime of the product duh" or some shit like that

The numbers would be higher if the UK was still in the EU
Those retards fucked their economy with brexit lmao

>>713686982
>Hey man, Twitter isn't a good place to talk about this, here are my contact details
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What an ass.

>>713686985
>they just [IRRELEVANT BABBLE]
Sony will be forced to refund all their shutdown live service games.

>>713687039
>England leaves the EU
>Eurotroons still speak English
Cuckold levels over 9000

>>713686494
>baiting this hard
Nobody is asking for servers to be online provided by devs/publishers. The initiative is focused on the complete opposite - the situation when servers no longer exist.
Players (customers) should be given a way to self-host the minimum necessary server for the game to function. Either that or the game should be patched to have a built-in mocked game server to stay at least somewhat playable.
Talking about the specifics is pointless because it would depend on the game's tech stack and code structure. But, as a dev, I can tell you that this is not only doable but in many cases trivial.


>>713686498
>I think the Pokemon comparison is pretty poor when it comes to SKG.
The comparison is fair because this:
>Pokemon community has their own fans of nuzlocke, comp, and speedrunners who plays the older games
wouldn't be possible if these games were made with planned obsolescence like many modern games are. If all the game logic is done on a server, then it's a monumental task to make the games work by just having access to the compiled client.
If a more malicious company was behind pokemon, each time they released a new generation they'd just kill games that are 2-3 generations behind and all the exclusive pokemon from those gens would be micro-transactions in the new game.

>>713686880
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>713686437
Do you realize just how much work from very talented people with better to do must be put into doing something like reverse engineering? It's impossible to do it for every game, specially (You)r favorite one when it goes down.

>>713686982
Honest to god question, does piratesoftware have some kind of humiliation fetish?

MMOs are fucking gay soulsuckers

>>713687029
This gets brought up quite often but FaggotSoftware's involvement with Rivals of Aether 2 is marginal at best. He's basically a figurehead for the publisher and there are still people above him in the chain of command.
Him being against SKG isn't some long-nosed scheme, he is simply retarded.

>>713687132
>I can tell you that this is not only doable but in many cases trivial.
most overlooked element in this whole debacle

>>713686967
Just keep spaghettifying the code with endless updates and release new content as expansion packs that are required in all but name in order to play the game?

>>713686967
Instead of releasing dlc for the first game, leave it be and make the same game with some differences but with the dlc included that was originally planned for the first game. Repeat again for each dlc

>>713686982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A1CCc_DClY

>>713687039
>UK leaves EU
>initiatives still require 1 million signatures despite EU population dropping
Is that why EU is importing people from the Philippines, Nigeria and India in the past 2 years?

>>713687210
TSMT, fuck Stop Kiking Gentiles for trying to keep the worst of the worst vidyaslop alive.

30 000 signatures since yesterday, with this pace we will hit 1 mil signatures in 15-20 days
doubt the pace stays like this, but there is still hope nonetheless

>>713686962
>i'd rather have the publisher be forced to release server code
commie nigger

>>713687323
you are brown
post hands

>EUfags actually think this will work in their advantage
heres a newsflash for you retarded niggers
no one in the industry, even if it passes by some miracle, will follow this BS
at best, they will include a disclaimer saying
>this product is a license fee and might expire in x years
like Steam, normgroid cattle wont care and will still buy sloppa
at worst, publishers will mass ingore your communist shithole and you lose even more economic power than you already are.
Service games are a billion dollar industry, publishers would rather crash the entire industry than do part with that cashcow
Let the retards buy the sloppa, as long as you arnt why do you care

>>713687132
>>baiting this hard
Not a single one you have ever answered the question. The only dev teams that are going to suffer really, let us be honest here, are small indie teams that can’t afford to keep up tons of servers for dead games. Companies should have a right to choose what they make open source and what tools they provide to their community, you can’t force things like this. I know you Europeans are used to getting your way about everything but there’s a reason a single American store like Home Depot has more value than all EU start-up companies from the last few decades. You’re all about uncontrollable regulation instead of innovation, this is why you lost your crown and why it will never return.

does anyone remember MAG from PS3? How great would it be if the game was left in a playable state somehow and you could still boot it up today, even with just bots?

>>713687375
>i want things for free
nigger behavior

>>713687404
What small indie teams are making games reliant on centralized servers?

>>713687404
>keep up tons of servers for dead games
Did you even read the post you're replying to?

>>713686982
>you waist to post this attack piece when your initiative had a single month left
so he should of taken the libel lying down until his petition failed?

>>713685978
>having rights is... le gommunism!
Good goy, keep licking that jewish corporate boot

>>713687038
This is literally what they do right now and the exact thing the initiative is fighting to make illegal. You don't own steam games, you have a lifetime license until steam decides to ban you or shuts their servers down.

>>713685836 (OP)
>think it's a joke
>it went up by 50k in one day
holy shit??

>>713686398
>Which games does this affect? Examples?
If you want to play Monster Hunter Frontier in current year, you have to rely on internet autists hosting servers for you, for example. Frontier was also jap/korean IP locked for it's whole natural lifespan iirc so ironically it became easier to play after it died and autists reverse engineered servers for it.

I do wonder how this would affect something like City of Heroes. Where the game is dead, but Homecoming has an official license from NCSoft. The City of Heroes situation is obviously a bit different (since the code was leaked, there was a secret server running for years, etc), but I'm imagining a scenario where instead of releasing the source code or an executable or whatever, the company just offloads the responsibility to keep the servers running onto a third party under some kind of NDA to keep the code private. Is that considered alive? dead? undead?

>>713686661
>millennials and gen z
So the generations that actually give a shit about video games?

>>713687440
except i fucking don't, i paid for the fucking game you absolute mongoloid, i want it to continue working
post your fucking hands you brownoid shill

>>713685836 (OP)
fuck you bitch kill all games!

>>713687481
In the case of steam, correct me if I'm wrong, but the only account bans I know of are community bans (No forums or community features) and VAC bans (No playing on VAC servers). You can still play the games that you bought from there.
Besides, most of the steamworks DRM is hilariously easy to bypass and make copies of.

>>713687525
Star Wars Galaxies players rabidly clawing at the roofs of their coffins overhead.

>>713687481
then i support it, seems like it's all benefits with no drawbacks

>>713687525
Well, can a person who bought the game play it in a reasonable state?
Then it's alive.

>>713687124
>speaking English means you’re a cuck
?

>>713687132
>wouldn't be possible if these games were made with planned obsolescence like many modern games are
Yeah but PKMN games aren't. As other anons said, Nintendo is really good with this kind of stuff and letting their games always be playable offline.
Not defending Nintendo btw. Just that a proper example would be fitting. In discussion about the SKG iniatitive it is important to avoid examples that are easy to mistake as a lie.
>"Wait, but you can still play those Pokemon games alone or even local wireless, what is this about again?"
That is what I'm personally worried about. Especially when The Crew was the thing that launched this whole thing. The situation is so different in the end.
PirateSoftware kind of guys would knowingly take it out of context and insist you are demanding old Pokemon games being supported forever with trade servers etc.
And yeah I know it's from /g/ originally.

>>713686486
>Oh for fucks sake. So subscription based shit specifically?
No, that anon's a nigger trying to suck corporate cock because he's probably an e-drama addict or some shit between the organiser and an (ex)WoW dev.
Literally any multiplayer game that doesn't offer peer-to-peer matchmaking and requires you to connect to dev servers is affected by this and in some cases like The Crew (which started this shitshow), you lose the entire singleplayer part of the game also. Your copy is just bricked, forever.

>>713687391
>He thinks Publishers will ignore a literal third of their market share. For some of them - their own countries
>He thinks 70$ games being sold with an expiration date will not be a PR nightmare

>>713687525
If all the documentation necessary to set up a technically functional server was released by the developers, then it would be acceptable.

>>713686982
i've been on the internet for 25+ years and this faggot is the biggest bad faith actor i've ever seen and it's not even close

11k mark for today already.
>mfw

>>713687391
The EU and Australia are the reason why Steam offers refunds. The EU is the reason why Apple switched to USB-C.

Thor is right.

1) It's impossible to tell what the movement actually wants.
2) Some games are meant to die. You are not supposed to play a live service game without the live service.
3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.

>>713687567
afaik yes, but that's not the point. the argument of "well it's easy to just go arund the gate" isn't a good argument. why's the gate there then? how do you know they won't add a stone wall in the future? i want to have a guarantee.

Anyone has an image that would fit the dimensions for 4chan ads? I'd be willing to throw a bit of money at it but I'm lazy.

>>713686824
It's all in the faq.

>>713686349
This. And to add, most EU countries dont have a tradition of being an active citizen as a part of anyones daily routine (for example like in switzerland). The average Joe is far removed from not only from giving a fuq about computergames but also centers of power and democracy in general.
Im willing to bet that the general perception is that EU is that its some ivory tower in Brussels.
That said, im hoping that trough some miracle this petition passes the treshhold or makes it to the big floor either way.

>>713685978
Hi, Blizzard!

>>713687440
I paid for the game you nigger, I wasn't aware I also had to buy the "Don't brick my copy, money stolen" DLC according to you

>>713687731
>3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.
So you are telling me that this might lower the amount of Live Service games because of how much of a hassle it would be...
hmmm....

>>713687391
Is it not worth trying? jesus you anti-SKG fags hate videogames, it's unbelievable. Why are you even on /v/?

>>713687765
>i didn't read the terms someone SAFE ME
you did it to yourself

>>713687391
>publishers will mass ingore your communist shithole and you lose even more economic power than you already are.
BASED BASED BASED total EU destruction destroy their delusions of grandeur and remind them they're easily as shut off from things as Russia.

>>713687691
I always laugh at the retards who claim the EU is an insignificant market. How fucking sheltered do you have to be to believe this shit? The EU has a larger population than the US and it’s like the 3rd biggest market for vidya.

>>713687391
This. Remember what happened with the cookie bullshit? 90% of american websites stopped working if you were from EU, to then.... uhh... walk that decision back few months later? Wait...

>>713687731
1. It's very easy if you're not illiterate.
2. Very, very few. But regardless, it's not retroactive.
3. It won't.

>>713687731
>1) It's impossible to tell what the movement actually wants.
It isn't.
>2) Some games are meant to die. You are not supposed to play a live service game without the live service.
Let the game communities decide that by given them the tools they need to run the live service if they want.
>3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.
It really wouldn't. It could be as easy as just dumping the source code on github with no other action needed.

>>713687901
>seething vatnik

>>713687457
Nah he should have let the initiative be dragged into this one retard's bad faith derailment so everyone brushes it off as some drama shit they don't care about for the past 10 months-
Ross did the right thing ignoring the retard this long.

>>713687731
>Some movies are meant to die. You are not supposed to watch a movie without going to a movie theatre.
>Some series are meant to die. You are not supposed to watch a Netflix show without Netflix
This is how you sound.

>>713687391
>communist shithole like you said has some of the highest living standards in the World surpassing the US in every metric

>>713687923
elaborate, did they or did they not backpedal? i don't know if i'm supposed to be angry or not

>2k in under 1 hour

>we demand the source code
want access to the payment processor too?
oh you want that free of charge as well?
damn.

>>713687731
>3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.
You do know that vast majority of live service games already have single-player versions for internal testing, right?

>>713687175
My favorite game isn't live service trash, so I'm not shitting up /v/ with threads about a retarded petition trying to save it because it doesn't need saving.

>>713687637
>Raising another man's child makes you a cuck?
>Speaking another civilizations language is cucked?

>>713687391
I bet you'd be screaming in rage if Steam announced they're adding Steam refunds today too, or if GoG actually came out this year with its sales pitch of keeping old games alive and DRM free products.
Here's something interesting your burger ass needs to know about Europa as well: they officially, legally allow resale of used digital licences of software and by european law, the original distributor of the software is not allowed to prevent in any form the act of selling your used software licence to someone else (as long as you're actually not using it anymore)
Of course, this made corpos feel pretty butthurt.

>>713687895
>Erm in the termsh it acktshully says I can rape your mother shhhoooo-
You're brown and also jewish.
Ethiopian Jew.

>>713688037
They backpedaled. There was a short period of time when a bunch of websites refused to load if you were from the EU, but now they're all compliant with the new standard.

>>713687197
He’s a classic narcissist. His only concern is appearing as the smartest person in the room. He lies and misleads for his personal gain and ego.

When did /v/ become a pro-Antifa board?

>>713688061
This also applies to single player games but I guess you're too retarded to read a single paragraph. Thanks for not helping, but also don't expect or complain when people don't to the same to you, Mr. Brown Skin.

>>713687759
?

>>713687691
>>He thinks Publishers will ignore a literal third of their market share. For some of them - their own countries
American/Japanese/Canadian/Australian and Chinese market more than make up for that, EU is dying economicly
>>713687691
>>He thinks 70$ games being sold with an expiration date will not be a PR nightmare
do you really think the average Thadd and Tyrone will even read that shit? they see new COD even with a disclaimer the console will explode and still buy

One day the data we have on our computers will be data that we own.
Today may not be that day, but first steps are necessary.

>>713688092
wow, would you look at that
you mean big corpos screeching about something being "bad for the consumer" and such, isn't actually true? color me surprised
fuck all corpos and corposhills, i wish the plague upon you

>>713688092
EUssr is inventor, spreader and enforcer of wokeism and globalism.......

>>713686082
>The EU was never going to work like the US for this reason:
Tired of this meme. EU works, just not as well as everyone who supports it would like it to work and its stumbles are publicized and highlighted to hell and back. The king example of the usefulness are food regulations, US equivalents of the same brands you see on European shelves are literal toxic sludge.

>>713687652
Didn't the Switch 2 include some sort of auto-bricking feature and some game cartridges which have online DRM to check if you actually own the game? Once those servers die (or if the individual Switch 2 is bricked/blacklisted from their services) it would also render the games unplayable. Unless I've been misinformed regarding this.

>>713688064
Lingua Francas have existed for thousands of years. How is that cuckholdry? How do you think languages evolve? Most languages come from a very old lingua franca.
Are you fucking retarded or being intentionally stupid?

>>713688160
Just as publishers ignored Belgium and The Netherlands after they banned lootboxes?

>>713687724
I oppose sending death threats to devs but this rat is the most convincing exception I've seen so far.

>>713685836 (OP)
I am an American but want to sign. What do I do? ):

>>713688295
Lootboxes still exist do :^)

>>713687548
>less than 15% of the voting population
>people who generally don't care about political activism
>people who generally hate the EU

>>713687731
>3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.
This is complete bullshit.
t. software dev

>>713687731
>Some games are meant to die. You are not supposed to play a live service game without the live service
Correct with a caveat.
If a game is advertised as a service and I am clearly informed that I'm buying a timed access then it's all cool. Example: subscription based MMOs
If a game is advertised as a good but in reality it's a service merely pretending to be a good with an unknown cutoff date then it's just scummy and the publisher deserves a figurative slap on the wrist. Example: any vidya using the GaaS business model

>>713688239
what i'd like in eu if every single product had to have a MADE IN information clearly visible, every single one, no exception. and also the MADE IN country would have to be the country where the majority of work took place, so no importing 2 halves of a mug from china, screwing them together and saying "assembled in spain" or some shit.

Challange: Take a shot everytime some dumbass says "So you want devs to keep servers running forever?"

>>713688253
>Didn't the Switch 2 include some sort of auto-bricking
don’t think so, people so far got banned from online services for using flash cards like the mig switch.

>>713688274
>Most languages come from a very old lingua franca.
Bro is imagining his language and culture going extinct for English, sad colonized cuckold.

Lingua FRANCa means French dumbass, you could use that, you know the language actually in your union, now that England left and the only English speakers are cucked self haters?

>>713688160
>We have other markets, that means the line will not go down when we remove a third of it!

>>713688335
Americans have no consumer rights. Nothing you can do but start lobbying.

>>713688239
Lol this. Burgers crying about "NOOOO MUH EVIL GOVERMENT THEY WON'T DO SHIT" is pretty hilarious considering that European goverment actually steps in when people are getting Jewed or when corporations sell people literal toxin that gives you super cancer in stores or pharmancies. Meanwhile American goverment doesn't give a shit about their people but burgers will still suffer a utter meltdown at the mere suggestion of goverment intervention in any way.
Just lol.

>>713686186
Games should be left in playable state even when official developer support ends. Just like something like Team Fortress 2 is even if Valve servers go down. You can connect to your own servers and play offline.

>>713688160
>companies do retarded shit that kills their games just to squeeze out few extra dollars to make investors happy
>but surely they won't bother milking EU because of a minor inconvenience

>>713687731
t. Maldy

>>713688394
oh shit

>>713685836 (OP)
If this movement still haven’t reach the numbers needed then it's doing something wrong

>>713688239
jesus crhist

You know, watching the SKG tracker, I finally understand why investors love line goes up so much.

buy an ad

>>713688394
those are shills anon, whataboutism is just one of a shill's tactic, they use it because idiots take the bait and put themselves ina conversationally unfavourable position

>>713688471
>Rapeseed

>>713688160
>American/Japanese/Canadian/Australian and Chinese market more than make up for that, EU is dying economicly
Hello Ivan.

>>713688471
>High fructose Corn Syrup
>And Corn Syrup
What's the point?

>>713688253
>Didn't the Switch 2 include some sort of auto-bricking feature and some game cartridges which have online DRM to check if you actually own the game?
Yes. But for some reason nintendo owners deserve to be treated this way according to the SKG crowd.

>>713688014
some people deserve to die, the economy needs stupid people

>>713688478
Not gonna lie. The crypto casino gave me some of the adrenaline back of experiencing videogames as a kid for the first time. Now I spend as much time on /biz/ as /v/.

>>713688335
Spread the word, keep threads bumped, BTFO shills.

>>713688465
TSMT, it needs a million signatures in under a month, it's joever.

>>713688542
everything in us has corn syrup in it, even fucking bread
americans come to europe, eat real bread and complain it "tastes weird" because all they know is toast "bread" made with corn syrup

>>713688542
DOUBLE THE TASTE OF FREEDOM

>>713688429
Americans in the last 50 years have been conditioned from birth to accept the fact that the government doesn’t work for them. They’ve been sold a lie that “government intervention is le bad”. It works very well for megacorps. I’m not even shitting on the US, I have hope they turn it around somehow.

>>713688536
>EU replacing us with Africa and Islam is good because it owns le imaginary russians in my head!
.....

>>713688542
It's an American thing, you wouldn't get it.

>>713688628
its actually unreal how sweet American bread tastes
i cant make a good english breakfast to save my life over there because it feels like im actually eating cake

>>713688471
>strawberry oats don't have strawberries in them but apples with strawberry aroma

>>713685836 (OP)
>Only 52%
I find this pathetic because it's just people being to olazy to even vote online for their rights

>>713688628
At one point I wouldn't have believed you, but I made friends with a yank back at uni and he tried my family's sourdough and spat it out.

>>713688406
>your language and culture will go extinct if you speak English
retard.

>>713688253
You mean the charger incident? The bricking was a hoax.
Nintendo may be stupid, but they sure know that fucking with EU laws is a death sentence, especially considering that they preemptively caved in to SKG with Animal Crossing Pocket camp getting a post-sunset offline version.

>>713688628
My sister visited US and said that the bread tasted like sweet pastry. Rest of the food was full of grease and salt.

>>713688710
Ross is right in his assessment, the problem isn't to get gamers to care about this issue, it's to get people in general to care about anything.

>>713688691
It's crazy that americans need to drive everywhere.
I have a supermarket 5 minutes away by foot and say hello to all five employees.

>>713687731
1. is just a lie, the other points are literally irrelevant for me as a consumer and entirely the publisher's problem that they caused themselves.

>>713687029
>>713687238
The idea that SKG is too vague and badly written which is why he doesn’t support it just doesn’t exist to you people?

>>713687525
Unfortunately, like any EU regulation that does not address severe life threatening issues (such as regulating some food additives which may literally kill a consumer or whatever), these things are not retroactive.
Meaning that your specific example and every currently available or unavailable game will not be covered by such a regulation, only upcoming games after the regulation passes.
Source: phones were not recalled after the USB-C enforcement, it only affected next generation phones. Also no authority will break into your home to steam plastic bottles without the little added plastic thingy that keeps the bottlecup on there, it affected newly made plastic bottled bewerage.

As much as I dislike that some games may be lost forever already, it's genuinely unfair to force a company to hire additional teams to revive their dead games. Unless a topic is about life threatening issues, literally no similar regulation was ever retroactive.

>>713688750
*looks at irish, native americans, australian aboriginals* Yup.

>>713688848
We have the luxury of massive swaths of space. It comes at the cost of having used it. Need a car to do fucking anything if you don't live in an apartment building over a bodega in some big city.

t. Florida, where not owning a car means you may as well be off grid even if you're in a suburb.

>>713688848
you have to drive everywhere because america is violently anti-pedestrian in every way imaginable, not only with how it is designed, but also in regards of actual people you meet on the street

>>713688848
Living in a more rural part of Australia, I wouldn't be able to get shit done without my car. That said, I don't understand why you would bother with cars in cities, visited someone in melbourne and trains, trams and buses cover everything I needed to do.
Also 12k today got reached.

>>713688534
We're proud of our rape culture.

>52.62%

Holy shit, weren't we at 46% like 2 days ago?

>>713688112
I always thought the third line in that was redundant because of the second.

>>713688893
yes, because it isn't vague at all and you're just rguing in bad faith, brown shill
post hands

>>713688893
>I am stupid!

>>713688893
>which is why he doesn’t support it
he heard ross make a boomer tier, politicians amirite and had a tantrum and refused to communicate with him or care what it was actually about

>>713688893
That's him and you not understanding what this type of initiative is and what it's supposed to be structured like.

>>713688893
When all the videos of him talking about SKG has him massively misrepresenting what the actual movement is wanting to do
Yes

>>713688959
imagine the smell

>>713688893
/v/ is the ross fanclub and they will deepthroat it regardless

>>713688972
wow at this pace we'll make it in 8 more months!

>>713688989
>>713689003
I just can't help but feel he's being attacked for offering a different view on the whole movement. A movement that not even gamers seem to care about
>>713689001
Sometimes and we all have moment of stupidity, but this is not one of them.

>500 votes in 5 minutes
holy

>>713685836 (OP)
I really hate this kind of shit.
>WE NEED LAWJANNIES TO BAN THIS.... BECAUSE I AM TOO RETARDED TO STOP SUPPORTING GAMES THAT PROMOTE BAD PRACTICES
How about we abolish digital copyright laws instead? A simple ctrl+f search reveals no one even mentioned this, meaning you're all poser faggots.

I won't be signing your petition. The EU drools and live service slop deserves to go away forever.

>>713685836 (OP)
its over

>>713689126
the pro-SKG crowd are tourists from resetera masquerading as regulars

>>713689126
His argumentation is shit tier and his response and unwillingness to talk to Ross directly is a sign of bad faith.
Fuck, the initial stream went like
>Here is what I think this will be about
>*Reads it*
>Hmm, they didn't mention it was about that, must be their fault.

>>713689209
fun things are fun

>>713689126
>I just can't help but feel he's being attacked for offering a different view on the whole movement.
Real.
>A movement that not even gamers seem to care about
TRVTHNVKE, inb4 rossdrone death cultists cope b-b-but Thor is le judas and singlehandedly betrayed and killed the movement by pointing out how fascist, evil and retarded it is.

>>713689237
>I watched a single bit of one argument and that's all
Classic

>>713689126
If you look at him in a vacuum, sure you can see that, but when you look at his broader online presence this year, you realize he's just a bad person.

>>713689172
>5 votes in 5 seconds
WE'LL REACH IT IN 6 DAYS GUYS

BLAST MODE ACTIVATED

>>713688893
That's the thing, it's just an idea. It's both well explained and clearly outlined. You can create as many strawmen as you like, they're all effortlessly debunked and have been time and again.

>>713689213
It's just getting started

>>713689209
Why did reddit start hating copyright? Keep seeing this commie cope all over the internet now.
>REEEE YOU CANT JUST OWN WHAT YOU CREATED I DESERVE IT FOR FREE!!!!!

>>713689209
>How about we abolish digital copyright laws instead?
Don't let me stop you.

>>713689357
But it's not for free. I paid for this game.

>>713688893
>we should all collectively give up all our past, present and future digital ownership rights as consumers...
>because otherwise, some future indie live service dev could POTENTIALLY end up being mildly inconvenienced
dogshit argument

>>713689290
Name an argument that he makes and I can provide a counter for it.

>>713689324
nothingburger ahh flop

Nintend𐐬 is starting to sweat...

>>713685836 (OP)
Fuck, that's pretty cool. Ain't over till it's over.
>>713685978
Seems the communist thing would be having no ownership. While that is a funny shill tactic, can you make it even funnier by telling us how having private property of our games is communist?

Oh right, it makes sense votes are speeding up when europeans are waking up.

>SKG is communist!
>SKG is fascist!
Make up your mind, you conceited retard.

>>713687057
SKG isn't retroactive

>asking neckbeards to be responsible for their purchases is too much for them to handle

>>713689434
There's almost no difference between communism and fascism

>>713689481
>asking corporations to stop trying to steal what I bought is too much for them to handle

>>713689509
lmao
DO NOT BUY THE SLOP
THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO

DO
NOT
BUY
THE
SLOP

AND THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU

I NEED TO KILL MORE GAMES>>713685836 (OP)

>>713687391
>might
that's what the campaign plans to destroy.
if you are not willing to release the server files to the public or patch the game to work offline, you will be forced to include the explocit final expiration date of the game when you first purchase it.
it's all about transparency

>>713689545
>we shouldn't make murder illegal, just don't get murdered bro lol
You are retarded. All games are becoming slop at this rate if no law is passed to stop this.

>>713689545
How about not buy the slop AND get a regulation that corporations cant fuck the consumer?

>"Y-YOU ARE A COMMIE"

>>713689545
DO NOT BUY THE PAINT
THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO

DO
NOT
BUY
THE
PAINT

AND THAT IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU

>>713689581
>All games are becoming slop
cope the free market shows what sells and the free market guides it to maximum success, sorry you need monarchs and tinpot dictators to ensure only quirky earthbound inspired rpgs are ever made......

>>713689545
>just don't buy toxic products
>why should house sellers disclose it has asbestos, just don't buy houses with asbestos in them
>just don't buy cars with shot engines, what are you dumb?
>just
you are brown
post hands

>>713689661
>the free market
lol
lmao
Kill yourself pajeet

>>713689357
What? Supporting copyright is the most Reddit opinion next to "private company can ban you so make your own twitter".
>I DESERVE IT FOR FREE
No, you buy the product, you get the product. Instead you buy the product to sign a EULA contract that's 3 miles long like a good little redditor.

>>713689481
>>713689545
But this petition literally makes me not have to buy slop?
Devs will be forced to deslopify their games before ending support, and then I'll be able to play completely for free.

>>713689636

what a cool guy, a true gent.

shame the wokes put him and his entire noble industry out of work forevermore...

>>713689661
>the market will regulate itself
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

THIS FELLA IS COMPARING POISONOUS LEAD FUCKING PAINT TO A DUMB DIGITAL TOY
AHAHAHA

>>713688394
Take a shot everytime some dumbass says the initiative is about protecting live service slop.

>unexpected ally joins the fight

>>713689545
>nooo citizens shouldn’t bring anti-consumer practices to the government that creates consumer protection laws!!
What the fuck do you retards mean by this? The government works for us. In the EU we elect EU representatives so they REPRESENT US not to dick around in parliament and do whatever big corporations and lobbying groups want + keep us fighting over non-issues. It’s called a representative democracy.

>>713689728
>Devs will be forced to deslopify their games before ending support, and then I'll be able to play completely for free.
wrong
you get the microtransaction-riddled aidsfest with no access to the payment processor.
enjoy.

>>713689694
>>713689737
The free market is regulating itself. The problem is consumers are retarded niggercattle.

>pajeet is too retarded to understand the importance of setting new laws for emerging industries and using a legal precedent as an example to support it

>>713689209
Preventing SHIT 1 is hard
Preventing SHIT 2 is realistically impossible
Your ultimatum is nonsensical and you're a dum-dum

>>713689237
At the same time why does he need too talk with Ross, why does Ross even need to talk to him? Plenty of other streamers and youtubers he can talk with to gain support, any time Ross spent with Thor is time and energy wasted that could have gone somewhere else.

>>713689742
>REGULATIONS ARE UNNECESSARY
>N-NO! NOT THAT REGULATION!
Are you lacking self-awareness or are you just retarded?

>>713689742
if it's a dumb toy why does it matter so much to you then?

>>713689790
>nooo citizens shouldn’t bring anti-consumer practices to the government that creates consumer protection laws!!
didn't say that
said for you retarded braindead EUistans to take responsibility for your purchases

but alas you cannot understand because you are EUistans

>>713689797
You mean how it regulated itself into the state it currently is in presently?

>>713689796
But then I can just install a mod or even use Cheat Engine to give myself those microtransations for free.
Sounds enjoyable.

>>713689661
Nah sorry, I want the politicians I elected to work for my interests. Sorry if you live in an oligarchy where they just brainwash you into believing the free market regulates itself.

>>713689797
>the free market is regulating itself
>it's just that it isn't
okay bro

>>713689753
>TrannyFarms
Is josh still perma seething about loli despite letting child groomers (sharty posters) on his site?

>>713689871
>cheat engine can easily bypass encrypted monetization tactics
:)))))))))))))

>>713689397
What digital ownership? You never owned your digital goods, look at this EULA from the original Half-Life. You see anything about ownership being mentioned here?

>>713685978
>Amerimutt thinks that this is communist and even woke
Wokes bootlick corpos. This is just the opposite.

>>713689912
It is if I'm hosting it locally. Memory editing bro, ever head of it?

>>713687731
1) the specifics of how to protect consumer rights will be drafted by the eu parliament. the campaign only aims to bring up the issue to it
2) not if i can do anything about it lol
3) not my problem. get back to work wagie.

>>713685836 (OP)
>At this pace we WILL make it, bros.
No.

>>713689902
tranime pedo lmfao

>>713689912
Yes actually. Because I'd be editing the server software, not client software.

>>713689851
>said for you retarded braindead EUistans to take responsibility for your purchases
okay then
i buy a car, the owner has hidden that there's something wrong with it. there's no lemon laws, now what? explain how this is actually good for the average person.

>>713689753
>kiwi farms
is that some sort of a zoo?

>>713689913
EULA is not a law. If you bought HL, you own that copy. It's as simple as that.

>>713689797
>>713689661
>free market
Then why did all those companies get bailed out by the government? If it were a true free market, shouldn't they fizzile out when the market crashes? Like in a truly unregulated market?

>>713689913
>eula
Lel. If the eula says you're a fucking faggot that is now obligated to suck cock daily I guess that's what you are now.

Game developers want their games to remain playable in some form or another, even if it's complete shit. When you put years and thousands of man hours into a project having it completely unaccessible because of live service bullshit. The people who argue that games should be killed on a whim just don't understand what devs want, frankly.

>>713687404
>Not a single one you have ever answered the question.
he just did, you're just retarded and didn't read it

>>713688893
>SKG is too vague
The general idea is clear and casting a wide net instead of pigeonholing on one facet of the issue raises the chances of anything being done. Figuring out the specifics is up to the lawmakers after an extensive consultation period with experts on both sides (consumers and publishers). The initiative passing doesn't guarantee that any bill will be drafted if the EU deemes the problem a nothingburger. It is simply a plea from the citizens to the EU to look into a problem. The differenting factor from a generic petition is that a citizen's initiative cannot be ignored.
>badly written
Try picking up a book to raise your media literacy or something. It's written without a smidge of legalese, if it still flies over your head then you might just be a fucking dummy.

>>713690032
You're not supposed to notice that.

>>713689997
>EULA is not a law
Yeah that's the ruling now but not when the game was released and even if EULA aren't legally binding you still don't own digital goods.

>>713689959
/thread

>>713689997
It's 2010-era /b/ where they doxx people who wronged them.

>>713690039
In the US maybe
But EULA's aren't binding in the EU

>>713689926
No "group" bootlicks corpos. It's us vs them tactic.
"Both sides" in turns accuses others from being bootlickers when a company panders to them etc., making both think they are "the underdog fighting the establishment while right-wing/leftists are being supported by corpos...!"
Stop falling for it, and stop lying to yourself about it. World isn't us vs them.

>>713685978
>owning what you buy is communism
how did Americans get THIS deranged?

>>713689913
Then it's high time we changed that right?
You want to own the things you have, correct? Then pointing to older products also not allowing perfect ownership is a moot point as that should be fixed.

>>713689913
eulas are not legally binding.
if this campaign passes, all those eulas will have to be thrown out the window and new ones written in their place.

>>713690060
Only publishers want for games to die. No sane dev, unless he's an egotist retard like Peter Molyneux would want their work to disappear and become inaccessible.

>>713690102
You own digital products in the EU, so long as you abide within the frameworks of intellectual property. I am free to modify the videogame I purcahse.

>>713689960
>proving my point

>>713690060
>tranime
lol, skgsisters

>>713689913
>EULA
lol, lmao even

I signed, idgaf about live service game or other bullshit dying because they're games gor browns, but if it can make Pirateshitware lose I'm game

>>713690180
Markiplier made that video series that was supposed to be deleted after 1 year and got buttmad at reuploads.

>>713689861
>>713689884
Yes, it's regulating itself into becoming gayer by the minute. Everyone is a faggot shill that unironically gets excited for remakes/remasters (that includes people on /v/). Still, informing people is a lot less gay than literally begging the ZOG nanny state to do something about it.
>>713690032
>Then why did all those companies get bailed out by the government?
Because the EU and the countries in it are inherently anti-consumer. So why are we depending on them to protect our interests as consumers?

>>713685836 (OP)
What the fuck is this forced bullshit I keep seeing everywhere?

#ad

>>713688389
That's literally how it is

>tfw I will never be Maldavius Figtree
feels good man

>>713690354
Can you explain to me how is it bad to use the zog nannystate to stop corporations from taking my money and leaving me with a non functioning product? So far all you could manage to bring to the table is fiction about some future devs being inconvenienced in their development process which is quite frankly not my problem.

>>713690368
Click the link and read the first few words I believe you can do it, retarded tripfag!

>>713690354
>>Then why did all those companies get bailed out by the government?
>Because the EU and the countries in it are inherently anti-consumer
I was specifically referring to the good old US of A which loves to bail out companies like it's a hobby but whatever.

>>713690180
>You own digital products in the EU
license to use is not ownership
>>713690368
>What the fuck is this forced bullshit I keep seeing everywhere?
some wowfag insulted a youtuber and the spergs of /v/ are fighting for him or something idk it's all retarded

>>713690368
reddit and resetera raids started a stop killing games /skg/ general, hopefully jannies move these to /vg/ from now on...

>>713690156
Yes but the issue I have is that people are framing it in a "Look at what we lost" angle. They are complaining about losing stuff which they technically never had, we just live in an era where stuff can be enforced in a way it previously couldn't

>>713685978
>ownership is communism
Huh?

>>713690470
EU law supercedes EULA licensing faggotry. Here when you buy a videogame you own more htan just a license to play it even if corporate faggots would like to pretend otherwise. You may sneed and cope now.

>>713685836 (OP)
good luck, still wont sign it for the lulz. downvote me pls

>>713690472
>reddit and resetera raids started a stop killing games /skg/ general, hopefully jannies move these to /vg/ from now on...
one of the jannies is spearheading the spam so it's not going away.

>>713690472
>AHHH JANITOR SAVE ME
but I thought you guys hated authority??

>>713689545
gonna repost this from last thread
>dont buy DLC
>every game has DLC now
>dont buy broken games
>almost every game releases in a broken state
>service games
>almost every MP game is a service game now, even QUAKE and Battlefield wernt safe
>dont buy 70$ games
>somehow games are 80$ now
most consumers are absolute retards and if the government doesnt step in you'd still have retards buying anti freeze whine

>>713690465
France has given large sums of money to studios like Arkane and Ubisoft so many times bro.

>>713689913
>WHY ARE YOU NOT HAPPY??

>>713690470
According to EU law, the purchase of a digital game is ownership of a perpetual license.

redditors and kiwitroons are shilling the fuck out of this movement

>>713690521
>EU law supercedes EULA licensing faggotry
again:repeating what you read on 4chan doesn't mean it's fact.
rememberThe stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.

>>713690546
I wouldn't call people buying antifreeze wine retarded given that antifreeze was snuck into the wine secretly. It's not like the people were informed as to its presence.

>Put in a DVD and rip the contents for my own personal use
>Nothing
>Do the same for an album
>Nothing
>Do the same for a video game
>REEEEEE
Suck it faggots, I bought a game and will play it for as long or as short as I want.

>>713690487
At least the Soviet Union allowed you to keep personal items. These ghouls just want to charge you for literally everything you use and turn it into a subscription service.

>>713690102
EULA not being a law is something back from 1990s. Digital ownership was handled 2 decades ago in EU.

>>713690420
no, it isn't

>>713689230
Stop talking about yourself.

>>713688893
what's fucking vague about me being able to play the game forever

>>713690594
>Redditors
Reddit worked overtime to silence it you fucking retard

>>713685836 (OP)
why do ppl suddenly care so much about this shit?

>>713690594
everybody who cares about videogames is shilling for it
the only ones against it are paid ubisoft india employees

>>713690685
reddit

this movement should have happened 15 years ago
so many games could have been saved

>>713690681
Dude reddit is all for this movement now cause ChadSoftware is against it

>>713690685
One month left in the campaign, hoping for a final sprint to the finish from extra exposure

>>713689851
>bro just don’t buy a house with asbestos! The government shouldn’t force the seller to disclose it!

>>713690685
the campaign expires at the end of july, so everyone is doing a final push to see it pass

>Relying on the free market to course correct everything
Haven't any of you idiots learned about the shortcomings of Democracy: Most people are FUCKING IDIOTS and are not informed on what they purchase, leading the market to squeeze whatever it can from gullible consumers. Except it is worse since a person not buying is one vote, someone buying can be unlimited votes.
Now that's not to say to abolish the entire idea of the free market, that's retarded, but to let it be completely unfiltered as well is what leads us into retarded situations of LINE MUST GO UP

>>713690736
This one was playable offline retard.
The actual issue with it is Sony scrubbing it from all storefronts

>>713690746
>calling a gay furry nigger a chad

>>713690763
the tantrums when this flops are gonna be so kino

>>713687197
He has the same complex as ReviewtechUSA or Razorfist. the kind of man that absolutely refuses to accept taking an L under any circumstances, and who will never admit fault no matter how much his position collapses and how much he embarrasses himself.

>>713690736
It's sad it took an autistic moldman for it to get started but better late than never.

>>713690774
it's extremely hilarious how i made the same exact argument itt and no shill replied to it because they don't have an answer written down in their little shill manuals

>>713690808
He could be a troon and he'd still be a chad, the whole internet is mad at him. hes kinda based lets be honest

>>713690478
Well, some of those people would be practically correct. While companies did try hard to take away ownership at that age too, see DIVX, the disc format.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIVX
However they would be somewhat correct that all that crap was significantly harder to protect and enforce by companies. A middling script kiddie hacker could bypass almost every form of protection the companies invented and then the method or cracked files spreads like wildfire. Moreover, it was chiefly just a "Please don't" and can't do anything if you do, because of the lack of internet connection requirements mostly.

This isn't the case today with constant internet availability so those "Look at what we lost" people are technically correct, but so are you for pointing out that games weren't as pro-ownership before -atleast in theory- either.

>signatures
KEK
TOP KEK

>>713690597
It is fact, I can even quote the exact regulation that stipulates this. Why are you so insistent upon arguing about something you clearly have no idea about and at the same time acting in an incredibly dismissive holier than thou manner? Are all Thor fanboys just mirrors of his narcissist persona?

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/1993/13/oj

>>713685836 (OP)
I signed it last year
not doing it again fuck off

Can't some EU guy just propose it without the song and dance number? All "winning" means is they have to pay attention to it but that doesn't mean they can't do it independently.

The free market had a way better shot at regulating itself if we abolished stock markets and public trading of companies.

>>713685836 (OP)
I went to sign this but i gave up, fuck this astroturfed movement.

>>713690883
W Fuck this flop failure astroturfed.

>>713686982
I cannot imagine the pure searing rage Ross must feel about having to interact with this turbofaggot
absolute demigod level of patience to not just blow up and go on a longass fucking public rant about how much of a shit this guy is

>>713687731
Maldavius Figtree is a gay nigger pedophile
Now for your points:
1) I don't care
2) I don't care
3) I don't care

Conclusion:
Suck my dick

>>713685981
Aren't only 15% of Steam players playtime spent on current year games?

>>713690883
Same. That's why I made my parents sign it.

All this shit is just the latest trend that will die out after a week when the next vidya news cycle comes in.

/ourguy/ PirateSoftware said to not vote for it, so I will not.

>>713690903
>tranime
>giantesscel
>foot tard
LOL

>>713690883
It’s the same exact thing, dummy, you don’t need to sign it again.

>>713685836 (OP)
>your single player game from 20 years ago?
>always online now
>when we turn off the servers one day, you wont be able to play it single player anymore at all
Dont give them an inch.

>>713690894
I hate how investment went from
>You seem like you are a good business. Tell you what, I'll put x dollars into your business and in return I get a % back from it. Win-win
To
>I had an investment firm invest in your company, so you better do as I say to have the firm continue to invest in you so I can get kickbacks. What do you mean this is going to be bad for long term consumer relationships? You need to keep expanding my boy.

>>713690995
This has been going for about eleven months mate.

>>713690438
>how is it bad to use the zog nannystate to stop corporations from taking my money and leaving me with a non functioning product
One thing they love doing is passing laws that seem reasonable at a glance and then using them to fuck you over down the line.
Don't be surprised if the regulations you support backfire massively down the line. Laws that target stopping deforestation led to them making the first step in banning products like coffee last year.
>fiction about some future devs being inconvenienced in their development process
I don't know what's that about and I don't really care.

>>713690883
Your signature from last year still counts, lil bro. It's the same initiative as before.

>>713690995
KEK I'm gonna love seeing this shit flop hard.

>>713690852
If it was american I'd agree, your overlords are no longer even pretending to care what you think.

gonna take pirate software's side, reddit, 4chan and all the e-celebs hate on the guy. ill be a contrarian and take side of the big companies this time

I don't think this initiative can succeed, because at soon as it gets to like 900k, live service lobbyists will start botting votes to reach 1 mil in order to make gamers think they don't need to vote anymore, and then those bot votes will end up getting deducted and then the initiative will have failed or be ruled invalid

>>713691038
>One thing they love doing is passing laws that seem reasonable at a glance and then using them to fuck you over down the line.
post 5

>>713690954
Then does Ross waste his time and energy with him? If Thor has said he won't support the movement then why does Ross keep engaging with him

Let Thor be in his own corner and Ross can instead spend his time and effort talking to people who do support him like Charlie, Josh Strife or Rossmann.

>>713691038
W coffee is icky I love trees, save the forests fuck cuckfee

>Can't argue against the initiative without misrepresenting or lying
>Can't come up with reasonable arguments so you try and discredit the EU by lying about LE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS (EU MEPs are literally elected) or talking about brown immigrants in Germany (The EU literally does not mandate immigration, that's a UN thing)

>>713689751
le BWC girl

>>713690894

>>713685978
fpbp

>>713685836 (OP)
Signed!
@AsmonGold @MoistCritikal WE WILL FUCKING WIN!!!!!!

>>713691038
So you are okay with applying the slippery slope fallacy to the government doing its job by regulating a completely lawless space that enables a corporation to just take my money and then later destroy what I bought with it completely scott and repercussion free, but you aren't applying it to the others side of the argument where publishers will eagerly embrace killing games precisely because it enables them to do it freely, so they can charge more for the same exact thing, when we have demonstrable evidence of it with the increased rise and prevalence of always online singleplayer games?

Isn't it really weird that after all this time there's still someone making constant posts in every thread in a similar format against this?

10 months later and every thread still has one guy spamming the same points...almost like he's paid to do it or has a vested interest...

>>713686530
To be clear it only affects games in the future, like starting from 2030 or so. It won't force old games to comply because that would be difficult/expensive/unfeasible when the studio's been long gone.

>>713691104
No conspiracy shit it will just never reach one million or anything close and flop hard.

>>713691095
>he does it for free

>>713685978
Just singed this woke Communist kino.

How many sigs would be needed per day to hit 1mil?

>>713690903
>When it is an attempt to win favor by exploiting the audience's preexisting spite or disdain for something else, it is called guilt by association or an appeal to spite (Latin: argumentum ad odium).
>Guilt by association can be a component of ad hominem arguments which attack the speaker rather than addressing the claims, but they are a distinct class of fallacious argument, and both are able to exist independently of the other.

>>713691095
actually based

>>713691189
yea, not a big fan of how much this shit's been getting pushed recently. it annoys me, also it pisses off everyone so im refusing to sign

>>713691167
>haha surely invoking ecelebs will make anons take my heckin side, god im so fucking smart

>>713691104
You can't bot something that requires a government approved signup.

>>713691209
According to the SKG tracker, about 14,000. We are are about to reach that for today.

ALEX PATPO FATTORINO DELIVEROO PISTOIA

>>713690903
If I could get stepped on by her every single day of my life I would gladly accept owning nothing.

>>713691236
Very organic and honest post.
I am feeling very demoralized right now.

>>713687731
>1) It's impossible to tell what the movement actually wants.
nah
>2) Some games are meant to die. You are not supposed to play a live service game without the live service.
nah
>3) Forcing all devs to make sunset plans for their games will MASSIVELY disrupt game production.
based

Supporting my Eurobros. You got this!

>>713685836 (OP)
Not signing.

14k, we got the minimum daily average for today.

>>713691309
im being honest, i see that this shit is pushed all over the place suddenly because some guy that everyone hates is against it, every community is united, im gonna be a contrarian this time

>>713691265
>that requires a government approved signup.
it doesnt though. i voted for it and you can either use your id or identification or enter your personal data manually which they will only try to verify after it succeeds

>>713691386
>suddenly
Just how new are you to this website?

>>713691104
Wow, you mean people will commit a digital crime to pose as a real being? An impersonation? On a governemnt website? Something that can be traced back? I'm sure a lot of companies are willing to risk that heat.

>>713685836 (OP)
>NOOOOOOOO MY MULTIPLAYER SLOP NEEDS TO BE 24/7 LIVE SERVICE FOR ETERNITY NOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE DEVS MOVE ON TO OTHER GAMES
lmao

>>713691124
Ross did that, for 11 months. Because he hates internet drama. But as he mentioned, Pirate's initial completely and maliciously misrepresentative reaction to it is what vastly overtook all exposure of the project, to the point you couldn't fucking google or look SKG up without Pirate's garbage being the first result. The algorithm completely fucked over the initiative. And still Ross tried to not care. But now it's essentially over so he's got nothing to lose, might as well stir up some shit as a last ditch effort. And it might be working.

I'm not a zoomer nor do I watch Twitch so I have no fucking idea who piratesoftware is. What I have gleaned from faggots talking about him here, I dislike the guy.

I've been watching Ross for years though.

The piratesoftware guy is 100% correct and this is akin to Jobst being delusional about how things actually operate in the real world. We spent an entire generation, trying to keep government cunts from intervening in video games and now you zoomer cunts are just rolling out the red carpet for them.

You are fucking morons.

Intentionally misconstruing the argument won't prove you right.

>>713691416
anyways i won, im not signing this. you live service fags will lose

>>713691434
The MMO singleplayer argument and using FFXIV as his example will never ever not be fucking funny.

>>713691427
>Something that can be traced back?
it'll just get traced back to russia and fizzle out

>>713691430
Do you understand what principles are? It doesn't fucking matter whether a hypothetical game is bad or not, publishers shouldn't be able to just unilaterally close a game

i posted yesterday that i refuse to sign this because i don't want to be forced to put my phone number/id/email/whatever identification everywhere nowadays

but after seeing these threads and how much sisterfucker pajeets push against this, i'm just gonna go ahead and sign anyway, just for you brownoids to continue seething along with your corporate overlords

>>713691452
>The piratesoftware guy is 100% correct
Can you provide the exact talking points where you think he is correct?

>>713691181
>The internet is one person
Kill yourself schizo.

>>713691267
>>713691364
>With peak drama and every major e-celeb and sloptuber shilling us we barely meet the minimum momentum required to reach it which will inevitably fall off hard in a day or two when nobody cares about it and it'll flop hard
>We did it reddit!

>>713691450
>Ross did that, for 11 months. Because he hates internet drama
And he still couldn't get the numbers needed? Something isn't adding up

>>713691267
It's been wild watching that drop from 17k daily votes needed to 14k over the past 24 hours. If that daily needed amount of signatures drops to the single thousands over the next few days, I feel like even a fraction of the current momentum could sustain that goal.

>>713686967
Just make a good game? Also I'm a certified Timmy hater but I give credit where it's due and he refunded everyone who bought Paragon and released the art assets for free instead of just "releasing" the game and sterling people's money.

>Times of India
says he started this in 2024
are pajeets lying to me

>>713691452
>trying to keep government cunts from intervening in video games
That's not what it is at all though. It is intervening with videogame publishers. Not videogame developers.

>>713691541
holy mother of newfag

>>713691541
It did start in 2024, it's a year to collect the signatures required.

>>713691452
companies need to suffer and evolve. stagnation will mean more jew practices like nintendo is doing right now with the keys bullshit.
don't like it? lose the market of 27 first world countries

>>713691541
it started almost 11 months ago

>>713685836 (OP)
This doesn't really concern me, I'm not some mmo or gacha faggot.

Why don't you just not buy games that clearly have an expiry date/always online? And just pirate/crack the latter so it isn't always online
Getting government legislation over
> fucking video games

>>713691167
asmongold is against it actually, he's friends with thor

>>713691594
This actually excludes mmo or gacha games.

>>713691452
in the last 10 years videogames went from cool media you could own to licenses that verge on the grey area of the law for being a product and a casino in one
the industry dug its own grave, fuck em

>>713691534
fuck off Maldavius

>>713691528
>same points (often Thor's exact words)
>same format
>every thread
If every post was a different person 4chan would be a lot bigger mate, these threads very obviously have a hard working (but retarded) shill

>>713691491
Maybe, but maybe not. If it does get successfully traced back, and remember that doing it on a government website will invoke the fucking Europol, said company won't just get a little slap on the wrist.
A big company would have to be extremely fucking stupid to take that risk which could lead to exorbitant fines for meddling in a commissional process.

>>713685978
Reminder only kikes and their golems play the communist card over this.

>>713691632
No idea, I play games that don't rely on internet or anything they can be played forever, they can't be killed.

>>713686494
>What incentive are devs going to have to release games when they need to fork over an endless amount of money to keep dead servers active?
>This question has not been answered nearly a year onward.
Bait. This was answered on day one: thats not what theyre asking for and never was. They want them to allow the USER to keep it alive, youd know if you read it.

Deliberate corpo shill spreading misinformation

>>713691621
>games that clearly have an expiry date
show me a game that has an expiration date clearly defined

>>713691621
Instead I can force the government to make devs stop making games that are always online and thus subject to being killed when they don't need to be, how about that? Obviously subscription based mmo games are exempt from it since they do have a clear expiration date.

>Quake
>Doom
>Half Life
>Unreal
>The Team Fortress mods made for each game
Good to know that these games can still be played so many years later.

>>713691708
Games with no self hosting functionality where you're forced to always use the studio's servers

snoys itt really going all out against the movement, hate to see it.

>>713691741
Didn't UT2004 get delisted?

>>713691521
the EU already has your data anyways, it's the fucking EU lol
after (if) this passes, they will verify the signatures by comparing them to the data they ALREADY HAVE.
what a weird thing to be concerned about

>>713687132
>But, as a dev, I can tell you that this is not only doable but in many cases trivial.
>>713687246
which we know, since anyone over 28 has played games that had player hosting or offline modes or bots etc all the way back in the days where we literally saved onto "the save icon" IRL.

>>713691632
Well, it doesn't exclude gacha games at all. And MMO's aren't necessarily excluded if they have a buy-in instead of a monthly sub, like Destiny.

>>713691695
Unless you're playing exclusively 6th gen and below console games, yes they can.

>>713691749
They still defend Gran Turismo 7 servers going down and blocking singleplayer access

>>713691771
Delisted yes, but if you own the game you can still play it.

>>713691805
Online?

that ep where he didn't vote and they lost by one vote or something

I'll vote later
throwaway email or is there something better nao
CBF FFS

>>713691434
>>impossible to rebalance gameplay
FFXI literally already fixed this with the Trust system when player numbers started to dwindle

>>713691805
Ah well that's good at least. Should still be sold in some format imo.

>>713691790
Gacha and mmo games both are live service games, this is different to singleplayer games requiring server authentification just because.

>>713685836 (OP)
is this getting traction cause steamfags realized that they don't actually own video games or some shit? or wowfags being afraid of losing their characters that they've played for 20 years lol

>>713691749
could you please keep your famitsu wars out of this thread, thanks
also, those indians paid to post against skg are ubisoft employees

Post YFW the movement totally crashes and burns, flops and fails after an entire year of shilling and seething against CHADsoftware
>MFW

>>713691748
okay
show me such a game that has an expiration date clearly defined - as in a day, month and year.

>>713691521
it's literally just asking for the alphanumeric string on your ID card which was already issued by them and registered on a union level unless you're an irregular immigrant or something. no phone number or email or address required

>>713687404
>Not a single one you have ever answered the question.
They answered day one 10 months ago
They answered every day after
They answered in the actual initiative
They answered in this actual thread
They answered in the guy you just quoted

your baiting, and need to be killed.
Stop being this much of a faggot.

200K VOTES JUST VANISHED
WTF DUDE

>>713691828
There are people who have made custom servers and the LAN options till work, so yeah.

>>713691847
I would like that too, but baby steps. I don't get it from the publisher side, residual money is being left on the table.

I like how that faggot refused to continue talking to me after I invoked the Directive 93/13/EEC.

>>713691893
hey Madlives Faggotree don't you have some anxiety medicine to take?

>>713691772
>>713691903
i know anons. i just, i dunno. i'm against it. don't ask me why.
i'm signing it after work.

it's going to fail no amount of cope changes that

>over 5k votes since the thread started

>>713691893
Ah it's so rare to see a fellow PirateSoftware chad in the wild! We are enemy number one on the internet right now! It's unreal how much seethe we cause here, reddit and kf!

Something like this deserves a sticky

>>713691430
Brown people get paid to defend corporations online. Ironic. Your meme is pointing at you.

>>713691848
Doesn't matter. They both have microtransactions and those also have to be protected.
If I buy horse armor in a videogame, I should be allowed to keep using that horse armor until the heat death of the universe, and for that, a game needs an end of life plan.

You've been duped by Piratesoftware into thinking the intent of the initiative is to protect single-player games, when it's not. It's to protect digital purchases in general in regards to videogames.

Another thread where shills lost and have to resort to replying to themselves with smug anime characters to feel like they accomplished anything...

>>713685836 (OP)
im not signing this reddit kiwitroon movement

>>713685836 (OP)
this will accomplish nothing because nothing ever happens.

>>713692028
Reddit is against it, though.

>>713692026
actually i already won, this shit aint going anywhere.

>>713692026
Your gachafag movement will fucking fail faggot, ChadSoftware will prevail

>>713692073
CHADdit W if true.

>>713687404
>noooooo all these innocent small indie studios who make live service games!!!
If you're some small indie studio and you make an always online game, it deserves to die. I already saw lots of online only indieshit games that died BEFORE this thing.

>>713692073
>>713692109
Unfortunately reddit is extremely supportive of this movement due to piratesoftware drama

Who lit a fire up Italy's ass? They've been climbing fast.

>>713692093
>gachafag movement
kill yourself

>>713692179

>>713685836 (OP)
You seriously expect game developers to host the servers for their games indefinitely until the end of time?

>>713687895
EU has a clause that nulls unfair terms, It's why the focus is making EU declare such a thing clearly unfair. In the US yeah EULA is God you got fucked over around 1990 I think with bad legal precedent.

>>713692093
Roach Malware is on suicide watch

>>713692219
u can just write 'kys'

but yea, writing it has more impact

>>713692247
That is the Directive 93/13/EEC. Feel free to invoke it anytime faggots get uppity and start to bootlick over their EULA being the word of god.

>>713692267
Your gachafag movement will fail my friend, the jpgs you've spent thousands of dollars rolling for will all be deleted from the servers

>Finland at 201%

>>713692240
you are brown
post hands

>>713692179
fieri, mi scende la lacrimuccia

>1/10th of the 1 million, not the total but the 1 million mark, is just from Germany
I guess they don't want their truck simulator games to die.

>>713692332
Based proohbros.

>>713688542
Iowa being the first voting battleground

>>713685836 (OP)
i dont play online games

So what did Asmongold say about this? He is the only one i turst.

>>713692448
He's afraid to say anything because he and Thor are supported by the same media company.

>>713692448
He likes and wants to see it succeed. He wants to stop killing games and start killing his father

>>713692276
>kys

The first time I ever saw that for like 20 seconds I thought it meant "kiss" like you dislike my opinion so much you wanna kiss me.

>>713692332
Based beyond belief

>>713689126
He made a strawman that "SKG wants to forcibly turn multiplayer games to single player" then beat it to death.

>>713692565
stfu cornball ahh timmycel

>480.000 to 529.000 in a single day
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>15,000 today
>Just before midday
lel nice.

>>713692448
I think he's sympathetic but also can't refute Pirate because he doesn't criticize his buds even if they deserve it.

>>713692543
fuck it
this image alone has convinced me to actually sign it

>>713692420
this is also about offline games that require you to connect to company servers each time for example to get "keys" to play said game

>>713692240
You lying misrepresenting scumbag

>>713692354
if only schnitzels had the same signature/capita ratio as Finland

If anything this all debacle has highlighted how fucking retarded people are, it's kind of sobering.

By the way there's a FAQ that answers all these questions. inb4 tldr https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

>>713688703
Surprised it's not corn painted red

>>713691452
t. retarded lolbert faggot stuck in 2006

>>713692778
The people that are complaining (or rather, actually complaining, and not shilling the other side or things like that) are the same that won't give that link a second of time mate, it's useless

>>713692778
They are doing it on purpose to waste people's time.

>>713692757
Ya got me

>>713692240
Yes. I expect them to be my fucking slaves and give me their breast milk to drink, the way Roach Malware's friends enjoy it.

>>713691938
No RoboCop no! Think of the OCP quarterly report!

Spain's almost in the big boy threshold club.

Italian Excellence.

>>713692707
>asmongold
>sympathetic
This guy is peak narcissism

>>713692332
>>713693012
wheres the link to the %s
i want to yell at my countrymen for being faggots or cheer on them for being GREAT

>>713693082
I thought that title was Pirate's?

>>713693129
https://stopkillinggamestracker.pages.dev/
Finland got a silver border for hitting 200% threshold.

>>713693160
Both, but asmongold is too huge so nobody dares to put a finger on him.

>gets the 1 million signatures
>EU does nothing
What is Ross expecting the EU to do? Keep MMO servers online forever?

>>713693168
>My country is second
Zajebiście

SIGN AS DEAD PEOPLE

>>713693246
>What is Ross expecting the EU to do?
To actually concern themselves with the topic, which has never been done before.

>>713693286
this isn't the US election

>>713693246
>keep MMO servers online forever?
no, the goal is to provide ways to self host servers after the end of life, read the wesbite

>>713693246
>Keep MMO servers online forever
Yes, I want developers to KNEEL before paying customers.
They shouldn't spit in their faces, they need to KNEEL.

>>713685836 (OP)
I hate that now half the board will begin sucking corpo dick out of contrarianism.

you guys are unironically doing more damage to yourselves than those corpos ever could

>>713693246
They do have documentation on how the previous CIs that hit the threshold were handled. You can try reading those.

>>713693379
it's the same 5 people each thread

>>713693286
I just signed it as my dead granny

>>713693379
It's /v/, you shouldn't expect better

>>713693160
it is.

>>713693246
yes. every EU politician would be forced to have a computer running an MMO server in their basement. that's exactly what this initiative wants.

>>713693286
I wonder if the votes count for people who sign it, but then die before the votes get checked for legitimacy.

>>713693334
to be fair, EU is bordering Serbia which
>historically faked votes by adding dead people
>even today forces people who work for a government owned company (most of the population) to take a picture of who they voted for. otherwise they get fired, or worse.
And Croatia is in the EU and their current major political party was caught bribing people to vote for them.

>>713693168
I may be misremembering but didn't the official EU site also have a map and list of countries when the initiative launched? I can't find it anywhere on their site but I could have sworn I saw it there about a year ago.
Did they take it down?

Since when has /v/ gone full communist? If I create a product, I should also have the right to decide to stop its production and service. End of story

>>713693512
There was, I dunno what happened to it. I just remember waiting excitedly for the benis to be completed.

>>713693334
i actually tried it andused my dead neighbours name while getting the birthdate, year and street wrong
seems like it works as long as you use a existing name and adress

intresting

>>713693528
retard

>>713691038
Ah yes as a EU citizen I hate how coffee is now banned.

>>713693528
Nobody is refuting that.
But if you sell a product, you're not allowed to deliberately brick it so that the customer's product is destroyed.

53%.
Love you bastards.
t. Australian.

>ctrl f "communis"
>14 hits

>>713693571
kys europoor commie
>>713693605
Digital products are completely different from any other products.

>>713693528
If I own a product, I should be able to use it for as long as I own it. Anything else would be communism.

>>713688471
This image is very dishonest. Of course American ketchup is not made with tomatoes when tomatoes don't grow in the US and would need to be imported.
Do you want to pay 3 times as much for staple food products?

>>713693626
You are just a europoor colony

>>713693246
read the faq nibba
11 months of this rodeo

>>713693669
>Digital products are completely different from any other products.
Exactly, they're even easier to maintain and modify. Which is precisely why this edge-case of a developer bricking a piece of software should be regulated.

>>713693567
update
i just filled in complete BS with a existing street and name and it REGISTERED

>>713693719
>tomatoes don't grow in the US
OOF

we need a petition to make shit like nintendo bricking your console if you tinker with it illegal. when i buy a device i have the right to do whatever the fuck i want with it, it's not a fucking lease

>>713693719
>Look up American tomato farms
>Companies like campbells are talking about their farmers
You are full of shit.

>eID kept shitting the bed so I had to do it manually
glad to see my country is more competent than the EU initiative, but hey, whatever works.

>>713693771
>i just handed out all of my personal information to the corrupt eu government
>LETS FUCKIN GOOO XD

>>713693792
I'm pretty sure they don't brick it. They just prevent you from accessing their servers.

>>713693719
nigger Tomatoes grow in South America primeraly
it takes us a ship and crossing the fucking Atlantic while all it takes for you is a cargotruck

>>713693820
eID got bricked a few months ago I think. I'm not sure why they still haven't fixed it.

>>713693821
TSMT /thread

>>713693821
>reading comprehension

Why doesn't /pol/ talk about this 24/7? This should be a win against the jew in their book, shouldn't it?

>>713690615
In the cases this initiative is aiming to combat, the content isn't entirely on that disc you own.
>inb4 "don't buy those"
I don't, and I want it to not happen to an otherwise good game in the future.
>inb4 "no one makes good games anymore"
Someone might one day.

>>713693820
literally 0 people in any country applied with eid according to the tracker....

>>713693821
>oh no i gave my government ID to the government

>>713693876
Controlled opposition board

>>713686459
Fucking nigger, it's got nothing to do with multiplayer games, it's right there in the text you bitch
This is about not allowing the corpus from putting retarded drm's in games that dont need them and are only there to stop you from accessing content you already paid for, fuck you

>>713690809
>the dystopia when this flops is gonna be so kino
Based bright-side-of-life looker.

>>713693876
These threads used to get moved to /pol/, where the jannies would delete them for being off topic.

>>713693821
the EU literally already has every single piece of info that signing asks you for

>>713693876
too busy cheering for the muslim mayor or whatever the fuck

>>713690883
Good. Because you can't.

>>713693821
You mean the personal information the so-called corrupt EU government already has? Retard

>>713693974
holy shit dismantle that fucking evil globalist union then retards

>>713690143
It literally is.

>>713690884
EU guys don't give a shit about vidya. Very few of them even give a shit about their own countries.

>>713694039
Where the fuck do you live where the government doesn't have information like name, DOB and address?

Can I vote for this if I voted for my president last month? I'm not sure how many voting credits you get per year.

>>713690894
>The free market had a way better shot at regulating itself if we abolished the free market
??

>>713694098
do you live in china?

Guys, I think this government initiative might be connected to the government.
Should I be worried giving them my ID?

>>713694123
The free market is a meme that was sold as a valid possibility to midwits by those that owned the market. All power accumulates, financial power included, without external means of regulating it, it will coalesce and become uncontrollable.

>>713694156
your government already has your ID who the fuck issued it to you? are you an immigrant in fear of getting caught?

>>713694234
Yes

>>713691236
Then consider the platforms (twitch, google) that pushed the fag harder anyone else talking about it.

>>713693876
pol despises videogames
they are a tool used by the people controlling us to keep the populace complacent

>>713694078
probably the democratic republic of the congo idk

>>713691528
Several people who collectively amount to less than one brain then.

>>713692010
t. pajeet

>>713693876
>video games
Why would /pol/ care retard

>>713693876
/pol/ is compromised in any aspect you can think off. You can't rely on them on anything

>>713691695
Unless they add it for no good reason (every time they've done it so far it has been for no good reason), or you only play old games (at which point, why would you be against being able to play games when the become older)

>>713691748
No. What's the date?

>>713694123
>the stock market is the entire market
???

>>713692092
Don't worry about it then.

>>713692240
Yes

>>713693403
It's even dumber than this, because he and many others would do that if it was what was required (or even would help the chances). But for the sake of this type of initiative, it's not, and typing out a full -every case covered- legislation suggestion wouldn't just have been useless. It would have been failing the assignment.

gachatroons lost. multiplayer slop trannies lost. pirateGODS won.

>>713693528
A product doesn't require ongoing service.
And a purchase of a product isn't affected by discontinued production.
You have that right regardless.

>do you want devs servers forever?
Yes
>Do you want to make live service illegal
Yes
>You think the government should meddle with videogames
Yes

>>713695081
based