Thread 713936158

Fromsoftware seriously nailed it with the Nightreign bosses

Cool boss, fucked lock-on point for non-homing projectiles

>>713936158 (OP)
I love soulsborne, but didn't buy this game. This video exemplifies why. Now it's just fast anime shit. No skill, no game play. Just sit there and wait for anime movie to play then get an attack in.

Sucks that From is now done as well. What a waste

>>713936158 (OP)
Nice iframes

ENGAGEMENT FARMING!!!!

>>713936158 (OP)
My favorite part was when the player rolled.

>>713936158 (OP)
cringe gameplay

>>713936158 (OP)
how the fuck do you dodge that with limited stamina?

>>713940345
Dodge past him, he only fully turns around when he pauses in the middle and you can outrun the second half at that point.

>>713936158 (OP)
Feels amazing to make it an hour into the run just to die to this hullshit

>Bloodborne and Sekiro perfect combat speed and boss speed
>People want more Dark Souls
>Apply all the same animation and gameplay pace from BB and Sekiro to DS3
>Game becomes a roll fest
>Elden Ring
>Bosses are now doing 20 hit animation locked combos with lightning AoE attacks on every swing with added wind-up delay

Seems like this fanbase eats anything up like FIFAtards. How embarrassing.

>>713940918
It is funny how the strategy for all these super moves is to either turn around and run away, or to get behind his ass so he's swinging somewhere behind you. In neither case do you actually see the move. If you can perceive the boss's attack, you're already dead. They spent all this effort making these attacks look and sound so cool, but the way to win is to never see them. What's the point?

>>713936158 (OP)
>summons hp maxed but not out
Why?

>>713936158 (OP)
FROM really lost the plot with souls.
Instead of iterating on more interesting and in-depth worlds and combat, they just made enemies and bosses more obnoxious and everything else suffered for it.
Elden Ring / NR is pretty much the extent of what they can really do with the current combat too.

>>713936158 (OP)
This company is a fucking joke.

>>713941398
>Bloodborne clearly has mechanics like Rally to counteract how fast and unpredictable bosses can be.
>Dark souls 3 doesn't (except that one axe with a very shitty version of rally at the ass end of the game)
>Continue to increase enemy speed and aggression until people are only playing to call everyone else bad at videogames.

I thought this game would be slop before it came out and I shitposted about it a lot but after playing it solo and beating the final boss on a couple characters I still like it. The game still objectively sucks though so I guess my taste is garbage.

>>713942995
you can get rally on every character in this game. As well as a bunch of other strong shit that isn't in previous souls games

>>713942995
From fell into the difficulty meta surrounding their games. They know the public reception fallout if Dark Souls 7 is easier than Dark Souls 6, so they just make shit harder.

What's the first thing you'd hear here?
>lmao this DS7 is so easy trash game 0/10

>>713936158 (OP)
Is that a mod to get past censoring on names or was there a setting I missed? I had a John ***htreign the other day.

>>713936158 (OP)
>roll backward forever or die instantly
wow, incredible, next level game design

>>713936158 (OP)
>all those lightning spears
I don't think lighting is even worth caring about for hard Fulghor, he never stands still long enough to get hit by the spears or strikes and he doesn't do the ground spears at all in phase two and barely in phase 1 so it's not like you need to cancel that.

This shit is awful. Every run ends with the boss at like 5% hp because he just runs all around the fucking map and spams one shot moves non stop. I’m gonna pretend the everdark shit doesnt exist

I've seen the exact same responses like the ones ITT to Dark Souls 3 and Sekiro and my response remains the same: git real and stop playing this crap, From has fallen the fuck off and every boss they design has the exact same pacing where they flail like chimpanzees for 20 seconds during which you're meant to find a break, roll through and hit from behind. It's fucking BORING and they don't deserve your money

>>713943187
Melania is endgame and runes don't carry over.
Strong shit completely trivialises the bosses, which isn't fun either.
Stupid Miku poster.

>>713944383
that's how these types of games work though, you get shit runs and struggle or you get OP runs and btfo the boss. I got Burn o Flame on Revenant and killed the bug boss in 6 casts. But then I get runs where I don't get a single good spell and struggle a lot.
idk what you mean with Melania and the runes? You wanna keep runes after finishing a run?

>>713942995
>Elden Ring and Nightreign both actually make shields viable unlike DS3
>Nightreign has rally
>also has Sekiro deflect if you want that
>anons still plays it like rollslop 3

>>713945279
I am a retard, and thought you were talking about Elden Ring, not Nightreign.

Whoa, why is the boss making me do things other than react-roll? What a shit design.

>>713936158 (OP)
Things like this wouldn't offend me so much if it weren't for dickmunchers eating it up and telling you it's good. This is blizzdrone level shiteating delusion.

>>713936158 (OP)
playing this game as melee is fucking torturous

t. haven’t beat first boss yet

boss dont stand still and let me win? WTF

>>713942043
lol, lmao even

Why do the same million of retards keep buying the same shit game at full price?

>>713948078
no better alternatives than fromsoft. they are the masters of vidya.

>weapon flies right through the ground

>NO fucking physics

>>713948201
Masters of manipulation and lazy shitty practices that is. They're up there with EA all right.

>>713949010
At least CoD innovated from time to time. Fromshit just shits out the same template hoping for YouTubers and Streamers to sell their shitty lore and game just like Bethesda with modders.

>>713949010
CoD is fun unlike souls games.

>let me explain why the thing you like is bad and you shouldn't like it
Antisoulsfags are spiritually women.

discord trannies are still seething that nightreign is peaking OVER 100k daily, i see. it's always funny to see the same self-reports in every fromsoft thread, it's crazy.
>t- the boss does a combo attack and i can't be bothered to learn the timings to dodge it!
>i- i prefer the snail-paced combat of ds1 and ds2! w- what? n- no! i- it's not because those two games are way easier than ds3!
>h- heh, fromsoft is like ea, amirite? noooo! dont say that fromsoft games dont have the mass appeal of fifa! elden ring and fifa are the same!

>>713949857
>>713949891
Don't you get tired of defending pieces of crap, shill?

I just beat dark souls and I really like it, is Elden Ring worth checking out?

>>713950158
kill yourself, discord nigger. nightreign won. fromsoft won. go back to your shitty western walking sims if you don't like any difficulty in your vidya

>>713950212
yes, not everyone likes it but it is an experience every souls fan should try at least once

Elden mid...worst Fromsoft game ever made...

>>713950304
what about 2 and 3? I'll have to wait for them to go on sale becasue there is no way in hell that I'm paying $60 let alone $85 on a 9 year old game.

I'm not playing your tranny game. Buy an ad.

>>713950270
>Sunk cost fallacy
Lmao, did you spend your yearly allowance of favela coins on this you brown piece of shit hahaha.

>>713950535
oh, in that case play 3 first because it has the most similarities to ER

2 is more divisive than any of these games so I would save that for a rainy day

>>713950689
oh and if you have a ps4/5 then get Bloodborne 100%

>>713950734
Nope, pc only.

>>713942043
>Wylder can hookshot away from the boss so far that the boss can't catch up
>Raider can facetank
>Guardian can block
>Executor can parry literally every single one of those swings
>Ironeye can thrust through the boss
>Revenant can summon her retards to distract him
The only characters that /should/ have trouble with him (unless they are just vomiting out resources) are Duchesses who can't Art or Recluses.

>>713947909
This game earnestly is not that hard. People who act like this game is impossible are either playing it explicitly wrong or factually just need to practice.

From the outside looking in and only having played Dark Souls 1, every Elden Ring boss looks like it's either just Artorius or Manus. They all seem rather samey.

>>713949123
Capra Demon and Moonlight Butterfly are literally worse bosses for their dogshit stages. Taurus Demon is a one-of-a-kind boss arena literally only has one real gimmick and the ability to meme him off the ledge. Asylum Demon is just a square stage with one fall damage spot. Bell Gargoyles is also just lumpy square arena, and if that vague lump constitutes stage variance, then this shitpost needs to be rectified with regards to pillars in Malekith, the small staircase and tombstones as cover in Mohg, and Malenia's stage having just as much "verticality".

>>713947909
get a relic that increases strength with ever gaols. then spend your entire playthrough doing nothing but ever gaols only going to forts and cathedrals to check chests for stonesword keys. you should get at least a 30% attack buff from doing that as well as the benefits of killing bosses and getting their drops. a relic with starting weapon with holy or boss weakness is nice, but I think raider could probably mash his face against the first boss and pull it off. you could also probably get carried by randos online but just follow what they mark on the map.

I don't get it. Why doesn't From just scout some designers from Capcom? From MonHun or DD team obviously.
>>713936158 (OP)
This is clearly some fan made mod tier design. And the entire elden ring is full of this kind of anti-fun enemies.

>>713951140
People dont make webms for you to bitch about the boring gimmick bosses because they are boring and suck

This time we have the stupid jelly fish and the retarded bug duo

>>713936158 (OP)
B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B B
epic

>>713936158 (OP)
>Dark Souls Undeadburg>Armored Core 6>Everything Fromsoftware has made that fails to live up to these near slices of perfection.
The amount of interest I have in Fromsoftware's stuff is proportional to how well the game design turned out. God tier art direction isn't good enough.

>>713936158 (OP)
just go behind him when he does that you retard

>>713942043
It's bog standard monster hunter combat and it's why it sucks, just run around the monster and have them not be able to turn fast enough.

>>713951437
Huh?

>>713951140
Having played Elden Ring and being a Dark Souls 1 enjoyer. They're not even close to being the same game despite their superficial resemblance to one another. Dark Souls is a slow, methodical third person hack and slash has a few rough patches, but ultimately never fails to stay within a workable and enjoyable game design. Elden Ring is a schizoid mess of horse riding, platforming, and DMC gameplay with jank ass tank controls completely unsuitable for the experience. The bosses are walls of damage, which involve you playing hop scotch and jump rope or getting instantly killed. It is not a fun game outside of dedicated fans to the company itself.

>>713951324
>>713950953
what should I do if I’m playing with randoms and they don’t group or follow map pings?

>>713952461
Die, I guess.

People need to stop overreacting, Fromsoft's more retarded shit they've been doing is nothing new, DaS2 had the same percieved bullshit at the time. There are 2 branches of fromsoft, the A team and B team, B team handles the post game content often or focuses on the souls core crowd making wacky shit.

A team made Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne and then Sekiro. Dark Souls 2, 3 and Elden Ring were "combined studio efforts" aka productions that involved A and B teams together.

I can guarantee you Miyazaki is having the core A team group working on something properly cinema again right now. Elden Ring was that game but with B team involved to make something production wise scoped to be very large, impossible without the whole studio engaged.
They still managed to make an Armored Core game during all this btw.

From are fine, I'll only have concern if the next "Directed by Miyazaki" game is shit, which is highly unlikely. They won't be going big scope like ER again, that's very obvious even from interviews, they made ER to push how far they could go and said himself that there is a point things become too big. He wanted to do open world since after Demon's Souls, and had to realize it to see what the strengths of that are.

>>713952461
>don't group
Pick one of them and be their wandering partner
>don't follow map pings
Just point at things and hope that they eventually figure it out. If one of them is signaling but being stubborn, follow their signals because fighting them won't help. These things drop of immeasurably heavily after Tricephalos. He's clearly the shittier filter and the only places you'll find complete retards are in his fights.

>>713952174
>platforming
I fucking hate platforming. It sucks, and the only people that like it are millennial fags.
>DMC gameplay
I really like DMC. But I also really like the slow methodical combat of dark souls, every fight feels kinda like a puzzle. I didn't like Artorius the first few times I fought him, but figuring out that dance of block here, dodge here, punish here was really fun.

Also I didn't know you could interrupt his power up thing. I fought that guy at 100% power lol.

>>713950645
>implying mutts have better taste in vidya
kill yourself, faggot.

>>713949123
This is exactly the kinda of thing Matthewmatosis criticizes when he says From lost its soul. Those games are not about unique experiences and boss fights anymore, it’s about fighting an overpowered anime character and pressing roll at the correct time.

>>713936158 (OP)
goy game lmao

>>713952789
>I really like DMC.
If you mapped the controls to a one for one recreation of DMC 5's and played with that it wouldn't feel out of place given they expect you to jump, roll, guard, parry, and combo like DMC 5 (note that it's actually impossible to do this given how there are combinations you can't recreate in the control scheme like lock on direction rolling/jump combos found in DMC.). It's just instead of being a seamless, well designed action game. It's Dark Souls controls, but worse, and with the expectation you can use such a system for DMC style bosses and enemies. It's horrible. If you need to play a From Software game that's amazing you wan AC6. That's possibly one of the best action games I've ever played.

>>713950535
Dark Souls II is amazing. Definitely worth playing. I haven't played the vanilla version but everyone says it's better for a first playthrough, so maybe you should buy that version.

>>713953393
>Ac6
Don't remind me how they botched that series. Souls games are a cancer that needs eradicating even if it means Armored Core dying in the process.

>>713950535
Both are worse than DS1 by a significant margin. Like the games took a few steps backward in design.

>>713953562
AC6 is a good game.

>>713952963
Veilguard is unironically better than soulshit

>>713953393
That bad? Sseth likes it, how bad could it be?

But the way people describe it makes it sound like it's hard for hard's sake. Besides the bed of chaos and maybe the Capra demon and Manus, none of the bosses in Dark Souls felt like bullshit. It always felt like there was some trick to the boss that I just had to figure out, it felt hard but fair. This is what the third fright with Vergil in DMC3 is my favorite boss fight of all time, it's super hard, but none of his moves or abilities feel more bullshit than anything you're capable of. It feels like you're getting your ass kicked becasue Vergil is simply better than you, not because he has access to some bullshit moves, it feels perfectly fair and I love it.

>>713952963
I had more fun in this than playing any Fromslopware games.

I rather be playing Call of Duty than this garbage.

>>713954438
>I have shit taste
Thanks for sharing

>>713939870
>No skill, no game play.
The new games are infinitely more executionally demanding than DaS1, tranny

>>713950535
Play Demon's Souls on an emulator instead if you want another similar game as DS1.

>>713954438
Man I haven't played CoD in forever, I used to play CoD4 all the time, it was the first PvP game I really played (unless you count me getting killed in the wilderness while I was doing a quest in runescape). I wonder if the servers are still active.

>>713943929
He's getting owned because he rolls backward instead of forward

>>713936158 (OP)
>Dont roll
>Get punished
>Try to do something that isnt a roll poke
>Punished
>Roll poke
>Win
Riveting gameplay

>>713944361
This post is written by a samefag tranny who's bad at videogames

>>713953849
>>713954309
tranny samefag

>>713954594
You missed out on Bo3 kino and also a whole two decades since CoD4 is ancient.

>>713954562
Why can't they just put their shit on Steam? It's like they want people to pirate their games.

>>713954556
Equating demanding execution difficulty with quality is why these games went downhill. It's not a meaningful test of skill for a player who always had a decent reaction speed. It just takes more zoning in on when to roll while turning your brain off otherwise.

>>713953004
He's a fucking idiot and has no idea what he's talking about.

>>713954761
Blame Sony

>>713936158 (OP)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nightreign/comments/1lmc2mw/do_yall_ever_just_completely_throw_a_game_for_no/

is there a reason you're a crossposting ledditor

Imagine still buying and playing rollslop in 2025, how are you not tired of it? It's like the people who still buy those survival crafting basebuilding games, it got old a decade ago.

>>713954594
How did you miss out on MW2?

>>713954761
They're genuinely just too stupid to. Can't be helped with, but this game is basically the reason PS3 emulation got up to snuff.

>>713954775
You specifically said "no skill, no gameplay", despite From being the only devs in the industry that give a damn about gameplay, and despite the fact that the newer games are more demanding than their older ones.
>It's not a meaningful test of skill for a play
Yes it is. That's why you constantly fucking cry about them being to fast for your HRT rotted reflexes and attention span

>>713936158 (OP)
If you play with a semi-competent group the game becomes trivial. I currently have a 14 win streak going and all of those 14 wins are the everdark bosses.

>>713954747
Maybe I should get the CoD games on Steam. Similarly I used to play Halo 2 all the time and I played Halo CE a couple times, but I didn't play the others until very recently.

>>713954790
If you can’t see how he’s one of the greatest critics of out generation then you don’t have the knack for game design.

>>713954894
It's the only genre big companies can still make kinda fun to play.
What else is there to play?
Movie games?
Gacha slop?

I loved Elden Ring, but this seems like they lost all touch and just amplified the best aspects of ER

i love how with every new From game, a new round seethe begins anew

>>713954894
I asked the same question 10 plus years ago. It's idiot slop eaters who buy these games.

>>713936158 (OP)
lmao
elden ring boss design is like some mad parody. like what a retard things dark souls 3's hardest bosses were like

>>713954894
So what games are you playing?

>>713954916
The only games I played at that time were wii games and whatever computer games my dad bought (and pokemon).

>>713954981
The bed aspects*

>>713954987
>criticizing bad game design is now seethe
Go back to r/games

>>713954987
Pizza cutter.

>>713936158 (OP)
that looks shitty af

Hot tip: If you're not playing Raider or Guardian forget anything else on your relics and just get +3 Vigor. Seriously. Even on Wylder it is good, but if you're playing anyone below him in terms of lifepool than you need VIG relics. You can double your starting HP and have like 20-30% more health at level 15 with +9 vigor and that is before health up buffs. The game becomes much easier when you actually can fuck up vs bosses and not get one shot.

Doing 5% more damage is not worth 20-30% more life. The damage up relics are generally not very good. Basically you just keep gambling/buying relics until you have vigor on all of them. Again, Raider/Guardian can get away without them due to their very high natural HP, but honestly it is still good on Raider has he is a trade machine.

>>713955072
He has a point. Even though Nighraign looks bad, /v/ cries about every From game except for DS I. Which was a crap game and is being praised only out of nostalgia.

>>713936158 (OP)
Could you be any more of a braindead rollspamming faggot? Lol

>>713955072
just play better lol

>>713954935
I'm not that anon but your point that "it's good because you have to press O faster" is fucking horseshit.
Improved AI like in DS2:SotFS could have actually gone on to improve the gameplay but instead they dropped that by DS3 because they were just focused on making everything a fast-paced simon says. It's not even about whether to roll or not, it's always just a matter of when. That makes the gameplay depthless.

>>713955072
It's great game design though. The only one with significant problems is DS, and even that's like 7.5 out of ten

>>713955034
MW2 is safe to start without online since the campaign doesn't blow asscheeks completely and is easily the best one out of the MW pile.

>>713936158 (OP)
People here shit a lot on the flaily bosses. But i think this is the first time i have had fun with multiplayer in this series. The bosses actually feel balanced around fighting 3 players instead of getting absolutely destroyed in seconds

>>713954987
Is the webm supposed to look good?

>>713955167
>Improved AI like in DS2:SotFS could have actually gone on to improve the gameplay
Lol
Git gud

>>713955251
That is because they are balanced around groups. They're pretty miserable to fight solo even with the nerfed HP/Damage primarily because they are built around the idea of a group of 3. Like I have won solo a bunch of times but they're not fun to fight.

>>713955159
yo this gameplay is fire

>>713955167
Not just faster, better. Elden Ring enemies are enormously better, smarter fighters than the baby ass PS3 enemies
>Improved AI
Elden Ring minibosses are more competent fighters than Gwyn, and have more moves. Only DS3 has shit enemies, and that's because half of them are unused bloodborne rejects
>Improved AI

People will consoom this slop and I always question if there's actual sub/non humans among us. Npc behavior.

>>713955274
yes

>>713955159
Hey it's the bell gargoyles again.

>>713955251
in other words they're fun to fight if you treat it like an MMO and manipulate aggro so you can just hit the boss in the back over and over
fake gamers like this need to be chased out

>>713955303
The AI improvements only happened with the NPC invaders on the expansion. Go suck a cock if you don't play the games you whine about.

>>713955354
>more competent fighters than Gwyn
Gwyn was an atrociously designed fight

>>713955308
>>713955376
well yeah, the game is built to be played with 3 players. However as the first anon i'm replying to said, it would be nice if they had a rebalanced version for single player

>>713954438
Based post. Same. Souls games are lame and gay.

>>713955376
Extremely solid play, BUT, your drip is shit

>>713936158 (OP)
humiliation ritual

>>713955381
God i wish. The bell gargoyles were an actually fun boss fight. The gargoyles from ER suck ass

>>713955151
Tell how DS I is crap, I’ll wait.
>>713955204
Yeah, creating bosses that jump around and spam a bunch of AoE attacks in a huge circular arena with no obstacles sure is great game design.

>>713955483
Shit the second post was meant to be >>713955392

>>713955376
>entire screen is covered in fire so you can't see what's happening for half the fight

I don't know man, kinda seems like bad game design to me.

>>713936158 (OP)
I am actually sad the game is a budget title. I would have happily paid $70 if they included more bosses, classes, weapons, and randomized map events. Nightreign is actually really, really fucking fun. It has been a blast playing it with my friends, helping people beat bosses and progress, teaching others the game who have never played a Souls game before. I just genuinely really like it.
Unfortunately it is clear they were not ready for its success and if the game gets truly new content (all of these phase 3 bosses were in the files) it will take like 6+ months to release.
At this rate I just hope they launch an expansion in 6-8 months, charge $25 for it, and it'll bring in an influx of old and new players back.

>>713955354
Elden Ring has the exact same AI as DS3 which has the exact same AI as DS1. The enemies move animations and exact timers vary but the same exact rules for manipulating them from state to state work between these games.

>>713955503
you just don't get it man

>>713955539
The gargoyles were easy as fuck for me both times that I fought them, maybe it's just because I summoned Solaire, but still.

>>713955376
you could kill him faster if you just facetank his attacks since you are already overleveled by 200 levels

>>713955586
>Tell how DS I is crap

Forgettable boss fights; shit second half; many areas are terribly designed; others are just unfinished; PvP is a shitshow.

Maybe its not crap, but its not the masterpiece people claim it is either.

>>713955702
this is like the third time somebody has tried to claim i'm overleveled lol

>>713954775
Removing execution is why fighting games suck now you stupid fuck.

>>713955586
>Tell how DS I is crap
Baby shit easy. Horribly balanced RPG progression and weapons. A third of the levels suck. Quests break if you do bosses out of order. The soundtrack is mediocre.

>>713955776
this is not even the same weapon you were holding and it's +25 already

>>713955421
>The AI improvements only happened with the NPC invaders on the expansion
You mean the hardcoded NPCs that still miss the player becase they can't use the lock on?

>>713955846
that's because it's what i used to beat radahn

>>713954987
you goobers have been trying to make us seethe over the spaghetti cutter since Bloodborne and we still do not care.

>>713955821
>A third of the levels suck.
More like half. Although the rest are amazing. So I am 50/50 on this one.

>>713955661
Elden Ring got rid of the screechy spammy retard enemies from DS3 and replaced them with much more intelligent and less annoying enemies. Of course a handful of decent enemies from DS3 persist into Elden Ring, like Lothric Knights.
>which has the exact same AI as DS1.
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. The only enemies left from the PS3 are slimes rats and dogs.

>>713955970
>Elden Ring got rid of the screechy spammy retard enemies
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH fromtrannies not even trying anymore

>>713955923
Could you be any more of a chickeshit passive? You have the dorito shield and wont guard counter for shit

>playing Wylder
>get an early Radahn's greatsword
>Successive Attacks Negate Damage
>Taking damage raises damage negation
>damage negation up while charging attacks
>guarding increases damage negation
>rot blessing
>mash R1/R2 through boosted centaurman
it's just that easy

>>713955781
These games always had some minimal requirement of and a lot of rewards for precision of execution.
The problem is that they hyperfocused on one part of it and now the game turns into roll-R1 simulator and now that's the most effective strat against everything, because the dev considers that particularly hard to do.

>>713956037
It's true you stupid faggot. The only objectionable enemy in all of elden ring is the FUCKING revenants, and even those have a horribly crippling weakness that literally any character can abuse

>>713956113
>and now the game turns into roll-R1 simulator and now that's the most effective strat against everything
False

>>713956080
a win's a win

>>713942043
You do realise you can move and turn camera in different directions, right? You don’t even have to do anything with camera, lock on works just fine.

The attack is trivial to avoid, simply don’t be in front of him back-rolling and you’ll avoid it nearly effortlessly. It looks scary but it’s incredibly forgiving compared to most boss combos even in DaS3.

>>713936158 (OP)
this is some ds2 dogshit

>>713955781
Not really, no.

>>713956113
>and now that's the most effective strat against everything
Literally not even true

>>713956114
I kind of disliked the those horned enemies that wield axes or bows. But other than that I did not find any enemies that would be particularly unfair.

>>713947909
>playing this game as melee is fucking torturous
?
The non-Guardian melee focused character are all great, and Wylder especially gives you an easy way of closing the gap whenever the boss runs off. You have far better tools as a melee fighter in this game than you ever did in ER.

>>713956082
>Playing Guardian
>Duchess and Recluse teammates
>Have enemies target me while my shield is raised
>Spend 95% of the fight blocking while the Duchess spams black blade and the Recluse spams Comet Azur
>He dies in a few minutes and I think all of us healed like only once or twice each
Guardian is legitimately so good vs the centaur. You can block almost all of his attacks and only take a tiny amount of chip if you have a decent shield.

>>713955776
>scadutree blessing 17
>level 150

>>713956281
150 is the endgame and he's actually under the scadutree cap, guess he couldn't be fucked to hunt them down, or kill that shit eating faggot Gaius.

>>713936158 (OP)
Is this even fun? i liked ds1 and ds3, but this looks like some anime OC donut steel shit vs john from the sword shop down town

>>713955970
Why are you talking about the individual enemies? I mean the entire AI system that governs them all, like whether an enemy is idle, following or attacking the player or returning to their spawn/patrol location, and how they take actions in combat. These systems haven't changed at all between these games, and fairly their scripting can do a lot in a game like this so it probably shouldn't, but just saying, it is the same thing.

>>713956281
That’s not even overleveled, Radahn himself is Scadu 16 (17 is 1.2% stronger than 16) and level 150 means you deliberately chose to not level progressing through DLC, it gives out tons of runes. It’s like saying “level 70 is massively overleveled for Gwyn” because you personally think so, despite easily reaching level 70 by just playing and doing absolutely zero grinding.

>>713956452
>I mean the entire AI system that governs them all, like whether an enemy is idle, following or attacking the player or returning to their spawn/patrol location, and how they take actions in combat.
They have progressively iterated over time. ER even has stealth now! What exactly are you missing?

>>713956390
Yeah he hit the soft cap of vigor, strength, dexterity. Basically a minmax fag.

>>713956536
>Radahn himself is Scadu 16
How is it not 20?

>>713936158 (OP)
souls games have been flanderized

>>713956140
I don't get how you'd claim that when literally everything in Elden Ring slowly dies to steady minimum-risk high-evasion play. Every boss I initially had trouble with eventually went down as long as I just kept focused on rolling properly and taking smaller risks with every attack.

>>713956536
Regardless what you say. That guy can easily tank Messmer and kill him is what the webm shows.

>>713955159
>"just play better"
>Died to lmao 2 garg with all those bloated stats and spells
bro

>>713950158
I would but then you niggers come here and say yearly CoD is better than Night Reign. So I have to put the shill cap on and blow you faggots out. Don’t come to my fucking board with gay shit like this you fucking commie.

Jannies tongue my anus

>>713956624
>a quality build using the lordsworn straight sword without even basic spell buffs is minmaxing
lmao. He beat it with fucking Square Off, you couldn't beat it with antspear fingerprint.

> thread is full of people saying “this is just unfair bullshit it’s just meme difficulty at this point
> everywhere else the main opinion is “he was a bit easy, beat him first try”

None of his new attacks are hard to dodge, the big crazy combo has fucking zero tracking for most of it, you can easily avoid it by moving in any direction that isn’t the one he’s already moving towards. The other twinblade combos are extremely simple dodges, the big nuke is just “run underneath him”.

If this guy was in SOTE he would be the easiest boss, by far. Nameless king has more complex moves to avoid.

Why is /v/ so full of shitters?

>>713955923
I wish more from final bosses had a lock on this good

>>713956743
That's one way to play elden ring, and the most intuitive. But there are others.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_Gksd_4Y0

DS3 is the only game where you basically have to constantly roll

>>713950212
>>713950535
Play Dark Souls 2 and 3 first, I can't imagine why you'd want to skip straight to ER.
Quick run down on each, though:
>Dark Souls 2
Will feel incredibly awkward when you're trying to get into it from DaS1. Enemies are generally more unfair (enemy poise across the board is unreasonably high, attacks and guarding tend to be more ambiguous thanks to poor animation work, enemy spam is incredibly common). Controls feel jerky thanks to massive dead zones in the analog controls. It has a lot of content to explore with strong build variety, but it's also a very obviously rushed game. It's not the awful game some people make it out to be but it's also not the underappreciated masterpiece others try to pretend it is.
>Dark Souls 3
An attempt at course correcting while bringing in elements from DaS1, 2 and Bloodborne. Also gets lambasted for being very roll spam heavy and for light attacks being the dominant strategy for most weapons (kind of overblown, but there's some truth to it). Very brown and bloom aesthetic, which makes things look more samey than the other two Souls games. Tight level design but at the cost of the game being very linear. Can feel light on content thanks to having fewer bosses than DaS1 or 2, but on the flip side has less recycled content and some of the best boss fights in the series. Home to the most fun miracle playstyle in the series.
>Elden Ring
Takes what Dark Souls 3 did and tries to address the biggest complaints people had (armor is stronger without being DaS1 levels of broken, the weapon arts introduced in DaS3 are much stronger and can be swapped out, spells are retarded again) Bosses can feel very overtuned as Fromsoft has gotten incredibly meta with their boss design by this point (i.e. bosses intentionally timing their attacks in really weird ways to make rolling more difficult). Open World is enthralling at first but loses its luster as you realize it's mostly just filled with bad filler content.

>>713956879
It's one samefag retard who doesn't even own the game

>>713956879
Maybe it's not the level of difficulty itself people are complaining about rather than >>713956673
Maybe timing rolls isn't super hard
Maybe it's not the epic deep part of the gameplay of these games that makes them interesting

>>713956848
Calm down, totally not the same anon as "he". Nobody said you didn't beat it. You just proved ER is a game that needs grinding levels.

>>713953849
>>713954309
>>713954438
samefagging this much is fucking Indian aids tier. Like unironically why not just put a bullet in your head? That’s much more rewarding than this.

>>713950535
DS2 controls, looks, and sounds like shit. It has some good ideas but it's bad. It's a darling on /v/ because /v/ is full of contrarian retards.

>>713954894
There’s nothing else to play. All other games are nigger aids tier.

>>713956879
The boss be 1 hp and it's still not fun to watch 10 seconds attack animation. Simple as.

>>713956660
Bayle is 20, but From gave Bayle extremly low base stats for some reason, so him being buffed up to maximal degree doesn’t do much. But oh you feel it in randomiser mods when other bosses take Bayle’s place.

Pre Scadu rebalance Radahn was 19 (1.95x hp and damage in addition to regular area scaling), post Scadu rebalance they made early Scadu denser and later Scadu less per level, so he’s still 1.95x hp and damage, but that’s Scadu 16 now. Meaning if player is scadu 16 your damage output is 1.95x higher than normal, counteracting his hp bloat, and you take x0.513 incoming damage, which means his 1.95 boosted damage returns to normal. (1.95 x 0.513=1.00).

So at Scadu 16 you feel fight as if Scadu system didn’t exist. The numbers perfectly balance eachother out. If you are under 16 Radahn is effectively buffed, if you are over 16 he is effectively nerfed (although by a tiny degree, since 16 is very nearly max power).

>>713957050
SOTE dumps ten trillion runes on you so grinding would be pointless, not that you need to level past ER endgame (150)

>>713957006
>Will feel incredibly awkward when you're trying to get into it from DaS1.
Akshuly it's awkward coming from every other Souls game as well, because this is the only one with some specific sus design choices like
using your player model for stuff like collision vs the environment leading to slightly wonky feeling traversing uneven ground
limiting your character's turn rate per frame, like when redirecting rolling attacks

>>713957269
Interesting. Since you've obviously got even more experience than me, can you corroborate that Gaius is a broken piece of dogshit?

>>713939870
I play it mostly solo because it's way more fun. Every boss battle is more intentse and interestic, the stakes are much more hire than in any previous game. And defeating the final boss 1 on 1 is such a pleasure. And I'm not partically good player, I'm just try to find and upgrade weapon with good affinity to kill the boss.

>>713952515
>A team made Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne and then Sekiro.
No wonder why I enjoyed these Souls games most and find the others forgettable. What about Armored Core VI? That had to be made by an A team right? Game was good so even if it was a B team game I still enjoyed it.

That looks like fucking cancer. What the fuck happened to Souls games?

>>713949123
Cherry picking.
Plenty of Dark Souls bosses are in open square/circle arenas. And a lot of the ones that don't are bosses people notoriously bitch about being frustrating and having to fight the camera instead of the boss. Your thing's not including Artorias, Manus, Gwyn, Seathe, Four Kings, Sif, or Nito (all circles, though Nito and Sif have a pillar in the middle), nor is it including Gaping Dragon, Kalameet, and Demon Firesage/Asylum Demon/Stray Demon with their squares, Because it goes against what you're trying to claim.
Elden Ring has bosses that jump you in awkward areas or places with terrain. It's just that the game in general is more open than Dark Souls.
>Omenkiller in Liurnia (which is explicitly a Capra Demon joke because he has dogs)
>Margit on a thin strip you can fall off of
>Miranda Blossom's hotbox
>Lannseax jumping you in a gorge
>Cleanrot Knights and Kindreds of Rot bosses in poison swamps
>Lake of Rot Dragonkin where you have to fight on platforms

>>713949857
Nah, I just hate what it has done to industry in general. The term rollslop exists for a reason. Disparaging people with git gud throw away phrase is looked down upon for a reason.

>>713939870
Its been fast anime shit since Bloodborne

>>713958023
>he term rollslop exists for a reason

It exists because /v/ thinks adding "slop" to a word is a good substitute for constructive criticism

>>713958023
>The term rollslop exists for a reason
Because you've been spamming it for 3 years, because you're still mad that From blew nintendo out of the fucking water

>>713956281
I played through the base game multiple times while
>buying literally every single item and spell in the game
>never using any consumable runes
>killing every boss/clearing every dungeon
And I always end the game over level 170. That's being as inefficient as possible with my runes and getting as few as possible in a full clear of the base game. With the DLC, it only gets much higher. Retards on the internet have an absolutely stupid understanding of what "overleveled" is.

Good night.

>>713957401
not really since you had no runes enough to level up to 151. you also need to basically 100% the map to get to 150 in base game.

>>713957269
Is this true?
I fought Radahn at 15 and I could've sworn he was 20. He's WAY harder than Bayle.

>>713958175
>clear the whole map
>not overleveled
You do realize not even ubisoft games make you clear every camp in order to beat the game, right?

>>713958207
>not really since you had no runes enough to level up to 151.
When you die you drop your runes
>you also need to basically 100% the map to get to 150 in base game.
Wrong, you'll easily hit 150 if you just hit all the shard bearers, hell you could almost certainly skip both stormveil and raya lucaria and still hit 150 by end game easily.
Also still not me

>>713957595
The charge hitbox is irredeemably bad, since its length fluctuates as he moves, it goes from very short and trivial to roll through, to very long and nearly impossible to roll through, it cycles between this every half second I think. So yeah that’s some utter bullshit since there’s no way to tell what size charge hitbox currently is. Just tank it with a sheild, fully upgraded (+24 is enough) brass sheild with barricade up is more than enough to survive it with plenty of spare stamina.

But everything else is fine. But the charge sours the whole fight.

>>713936158 (OP)
This looks like a bad mod, which is perfectly on brand for them now ever since the elden ring DLC dropped. Consort radahn still moves around like a jank-ass mod some guy made in a day, gave him lasers and then called it a day. Truly peak.

>>713936158 (OP)
I hate this boss as a ranged character because you have to lock onto his upper body which moves way too much. Sticking to wylder on this guy

Wishlist for future content:
>Adding weapons from prior DaS games to the weapon pool.
>Adding weapons from SotE to the weapon pool (should have been in the pool from the start).
>More throwback DaS bosses in the night 1/2 pools.
>New character with bloodborne mechanics (regain, can parry with offhand crossbow)
>New character with martial arts focus
>Faith/Str focused character
>Mirrah alt outfit for Wylder
>Silver Knight alt outfit for Ironeye
>Ironclad Soldier alt outfit for Raider

>>713958280
>when you die, don't pick up money
>just kill all optional bosses
>you could skip places that give least money

>>713958271
Side dungeons give trash for runes.
I didn't need to clear everything to beat the game but playing through the game and doing the content that is present is not getting overleveled. Even if it was, my point that being as inefficient with runes as possible gets you to 170 at the end of the BASE game so in what fucking world is 150 overleaved for the motherfucking DLC?

ER is a longer game than Dark Souls and I don't get why people get their dicks in a twist over NEEDING to be level 120 or whatever ridiculous number. That was the level for Demons' Souls.

>>713958234
Number doesn’t determine difficulty alone. But it shows how they would relatively compare to eachother. EG if you moved Radahn to Bayles Arena (and inherit Bayles scaling) Radahn would become slightly harder (like 2.5% more hp and damage). If you moved Bayle to Radahn’s arena he would get even easier.

If you play DLC in NG+ after killing Radahn in NG then everyone becomes Scadu 20. Since it’s exoected that player is Scadu 20 on their second run.

This makes Demihuman Swordmaster Onze become a monster of a boss. Because he’s scaled to Scadu 0 on first playthrough, so no one ever fights him “fairly”, but on NG+ (with DLC+ meaning you finished dlc on earlier cycle) he becomes Scadu 20 and it’s now impossible to out-Scadu him.

>>713958487
>just kill all optional bosses
I said kill some shard bearers.

>>713958591
I've heard about the DLC+ system, but it seems kind of confusing. Can you even do the DLC at NG+7? Is DLC+ it's own scale or just a switch so that those who were on NG7+ wouldn't be fighting phase 1 Rellana and getting one shot?

>>713958548
The game set soft caps at stats. Hitting the cap isn't normal.

>>713958591
what is the scadu of every remembrance?

>>713958705
you said all

>>713958207
120~ is easy to hit in the base game just by taking down most of the shard bosses and is typically where you should be able to comfortably beat the end game challenges. Once you throw in DLC 150 is piss easy to reach.
>b-but muh grinding.
Maybe try not being a retard instead, and just do the following when you start a run:
>Do the mines in Limgrave and beat the boss there.
>Immediately go to Murkwater and defeat (but don't kill) Patches, teleport back to the Murkwater grace to reset Patches as a merchant.
>Buy his Gold-Pickled Fowl Feet and Missionary's Cookbook (2)
>When you eventually go to Weeping Peninsula for the flask upgrades, hit the pond near the minor erdtree to stock up on gold fireflies, you should not need to stock up on any more after this.
Now just pop a Gold-Pickled Fowl Foot after every boss and craft more when you run out (Rowa Fruit is a non-factor, Four-Toed Fowl Foot can be easily and quickly farmed at the Impassable Greatbridge), you will never have rune problems again unless you constantly lose them like a retard.

Sekiro is still the best because it incentivizes you to be aggressive, whereas souls games incentivize you to be passive and backpedal while you wait for your opportunity

>>713959041
>just follow the guide and do extra chore before actually playing the game like I did
Yep this is the intended playthrough and everybody farmed the item without calling it grinding

>>713958283
Gaius like most of SotE, as much as tryhards may seethe about this fact is pretty obviously designed around the player using the Sekiro Tear. You can beat him without it, but it's essentially just making the fight harder than it needs to be.

>>713954979
Does anyone even make movie games anymore?
Guardians of Ga'hoole was the most unexpected kino I've ever played.

>>713959041
this post is a parody

>>713941910
Lol its actually true. Glad I left Elden Ring behind after getting all achievements

>>713959439
What guide? Nothing I listed there is particularly hard to figure out on your own, it's all things I started doing at the start of runs to make playing the game less mind numblingly obnoxious.
>and do extra chore before actually playing the game
Yeah, that's kind of how Elden Ring is designed, the open world gimmick only works once and when you revisit it you quickly realize that the first hour of the game is just doing retarded chores. That's part of the reason why the game sucks dick to replay and why I've taken to just grabbing gold feet to speed some shit up.

>>713936158 (OP)
>melee attack has longer range than a lighting spear throw ranged attack

>>713936158 (OP)
Objectively correct Boss Music Ranking:

Caligo > Gnoster > Maris > Heolstor > Libra > Fulghor > Adel = Gladius (they're both bogstandard shit)

>>713936158 (OP)
That player plays like a coward. When will people learn that Elden Ring bosses will absolutely go into overdrive and eat your face the moment you start running away to keep your distance, panic drinking, or panic rolling? Always be on the attack, anons. Be aggressive. Figure it out and make the aggression work. Stop playing like you are scared.

>>713960087
It's a caster that dies in 2 hits

>>713959663
The game isn't designed to let you figure it out as quickly as it sounds when you first play it. And most people just play it once or drop it before finishing.

>>713960347
>And most people just play it once or drop it before finishing.
Sounds like a shit game.

>>713960087
That's not an Elden Ring boss, that's a Nightreign boss.

>>713958724
People vastly over complicate DLC+, it just means that after beating DLC once all future playthroughs will have everything set to Scadu 20. If player is also at Scadu 20 then it will appear as if nothing changed compared to first run (assuming you fought stuff at “correct” Scadu level). In addition to regular NG+ increases.

So while there’s technically 16 different difficulties for DLC, but maximum you can possible see on one character is 8. Basically if first playthrough of DLC is done on NG+7, then NG+8 will have new scalings, but it’s only harder if you were over-Scadu’d for everything on NG+7 playthrough.

It’s best to just think of it as Scadu system vanishes after first completion of DLC, provided you actually got to Scadu 20. Whole dlc becomes evenly scaled instead of drastically increasing numbers as you move through it.

>>713956879
>people are talking about whether a game is good or bad
>fromtrannies are unable to comprehend any conversation about quality
>they replaced 'good' with 'easy' and 'bad' with 'hard' and proceed as if people had been discussing difficulty the whole time
Every time.

>>713956963
I love when retards jump into these discussions and post incredibly gimmicky/cheesy setups as if they posted some sort of epic own that entirely discredits anything the other person said, often while throwing shit at another game in a very generalized manner.

>>713960403
Same difference. The bosses are coded the same. Elden Ring/Nightreign bosses punish you for playing cowardly. You have to learn how to play a cautious-aggressive style of play where you are always on the attack or else you will struggle mightily.

>>713936158 (OP)
I laughed out loud at this shit kek

>>713936158 (OP)
Goddamn, what a terrible player. This is what I call an undeserved win.

>>713956149
what is this revisionist history where people imply that DS2 bosses/enemies are somehow fast when they're the slowest in the series

>>713958123
You're on 4chan. What did you expect? This isn't a place where you have a "civil" discussion. We get straight to the point.
>>713958163
Not a tendie. My allegiance is with old turn-based FFs. I adopted the term rollslop because it encompases the phenomena that made my favourite game series worse by turning it into action/parry/dodge/rollslop. You get the idea.

>>713936158 (OP)
From bosses just keep getting worse

>>713962697
Just use a shield

This just proves that Fromsoft is just a worse Bethesda without the charm nor soul.

>>713960087
>and here's my unique bleed build everyone!
i did an arc/fth build and actually couldn't use that mask because seeing it makes me cringe

>>713962697
turn based games suck ass, if i wanted to play with text i'd read a book

>>713936158 (OP)
>20 second unskippable cutscene attack sequence
>get 2 chances to shoot a projectile (that locks on at the stupidest part of his model and miss because of it)
>another short cutscene and you have time to do 1 (one) poke
this looks awful
why does modern fromsoft think the way forward is just making longer and longer combos with less room for the player to... play

>>713963565
Because this is the only way soulsniggers can actually enjoy playing an action video games. They don't want to actually press buttons and have their character do cool shit. They just want the boss do all the cool shit while they just watch like the cucks they are.

>>713963565
just because you and the webm are bad at timing dodges/attacks and dont know how to stance break to interrupt bosses doesnt mean everyone else is
gitgud

>>713961794
It is not even remotely the same. In ER if you fail a boss, you just try again 10 seconds later. In NR if you fail a boss, you try again in 40 minutes.

>>713939870
>fromtards when they are faced with a modicum of challenge
>"uhhhh this is anime"
just go replay dark souls 1 for the twentieth time instead of being a salty bitch. nightreign feels more fresh than ds2 and ds3 combined

>>713963382
That's fine. You fuck off to your corner and play your action games and I'll fuck off to my corner and play turn-based. Now if only certain devs pick up on it...

>>713963675
unironic skill issue, here is me and some random beating hardmode goatman after our 3rd guy quit out on day 1, these bosses are pretty easy if you're not bad

>>713949123
Absolutely retarded image.

>>713954975
>>713953004
Can you suck your boyfriends dick somewhere else, nobody wants to hear what that puke stain has to say.

>>713963784
That's so cool bro very impressive you are so good. Literally irrelevant though but keep it up.

>>713963836
dont be upset at me because you lose and can't beat the nightlords

>>713962793
Telkl me which character in Rebirth is using a shield.

>>713955134
Problem is a lot of the classes need their class relics to really get activated, which is usually at least 2 relics, and you would be a fool not to use the evergoal one with people routinely clearing 4 of them every match. Also I would say 5% dmg can be worth the health tradeoff since killing things faster lets you farm faster.

>>713956192
I just did a run with Guardian, he essentially kills himself with the damage on guard relic lol

>>713963868
You already lost.

>>713963565
>with less room for the player to... play
Musous literally exist for people like you, why are you forcing yourself to play a From game

>>713963934
strange because you're the one complaining about runback times...

>>713964047
You lost the argument and your rebuttal was "u bad" so yeah you can stop posting anytime.

>>713942043
Because if you can just dodge everything without any other factors to consider like position and angle, then it's fucking easy mode just like a parry slop where a few button press negates every fucking damage. That's no skill based design, that's slop based design that only a brainlet who can only process one thing at a time can enjoy.

>>713964106
there is no argument, you complain about runback time, i tell you to how to fix that, by getting gud, there is no argument, only statement of facts

>>713959506
death stranding 2 just came out

>>713964165
Never mind keep posting, this is funny.

>>713964291
makes me sick how far they done fell

>>713964312
>using counter strike instead of simple poke
scrub

>>713964312
Classic bird, just stands there and guards and contributes 0 damage.

>>713964312
this is why i hate guardians and just quitout if i see one join my lobby
here are 2 guys doing damage and some retard just standing there doing the same thing as a guy dodging doing 0 damage at all
the entire class is useless

>>713963923
>>713964312
>he essentially kills himself with the damage on guard relic lol
dude your recluse is doing literally all the damage with rancorcall, watch the video....

>>713964412
It's too bad that all the zoomers that started with DS3 will eat whatever slop that's given to them because beating a video game is their only personality trait.

>>713964291
FS games are essentially turn based games disguised as action games.
It's the same shit as Expedition 33 except you don't pick attacks from a menu.

>>713964312
>look at me im guardian
>im participating look at me guard the attack!

>>713964752
Wrong

>>713964312
the replies to this are very harsh, but they are true unfortunately
bird and rev are fucking garbage. there, I said it

>>713964752
True. You get to skip the turn based part a bit with a good greatshield + any spear or rapier with any of the good special effects: bleed, poison, frostbite

I gave a bird player a Grafted Blade Greatsword a little while ago

>>713965017
If I ever get that weapon it stays in my hands, no matter the class I'm playing.
Ironeye? Revenant? Recluse? Yeah, they're melee now. Step aside, Raider.

>>713958123
trvke. uniornically 'sl*p' is basically Twitter/Reddit lingo now. It's everywhere on the internet. Just imagine saying that word with a straight face and actually thinking you're clever

>>713964561
Of course the recluse is doing most of the damage shes the caster, but every attack that is hitting guardian is doing over 50 chip damage, so after his 20 glaive attack he does around 1000 damage to himself.

>>713964415
I had tibia summon counter, even out of range it still hits

In the last phase unless you are dutchess and can get hits in between attacks there is only a few safe down time periods for melee.

>>713965074
scrub, i dont care. grab bleed spear or frost its simpler and just proc whatevr stat effect is lethal, poison if you got all the time in the world and your homies wont disconnect. just proc poision and stall I doubt you got the balls or patience for that roll slop players have too much adhd.

>>713936158 (OP)
>backrolls like a little BITCH for 60 seconds instead of one forward roll + light attack to finish the job
spotted the uber shitter
hooooooly fuck this has to be bait

>>713965253
its a zoomer

>>713965074
>i had a tibia summon counter
>never hits
kys shut the fuck up about "having fun" in a video game, you didnt do shit because you were trying to look epic. kys faggot.

>>713964312
*raises paw*
I think if I was 20% away from killing the boss, I'd appreciate there being a bird with his ult ready incase we fuck up