Dear shills, how does Stop Killing Games negatively affect you as a consumer?
>Sign the petition: https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home
>Explanatory video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkMe9MxxZiI

I don't give a shit about the games, I just want to see the companies getting fucked

>>713983234
Why not both

>>713982992 (OP)
can someone give me a qrd on why lefties and troons are against this?

Why couldn't these big faggot youtubers have covered it like three months ago or something?

The EU isn't going to agree to force companies to make games playable forever. All good things come to end eventually

>>713983810
>makes games playable forever
Just release the server software, it's not that fucking hard.

>>713982992 (OP)
Nintendo will work overtime to stop this in a big, messy public display, and people will still buy their products.

>>713984049
Obviously it is since no one does it.

STOP THE COUNT STOP THE COUNT FUCKING COMMIES GOVERNMENT REEEEEEEEEE
>t. angry amerilard that voted for an AIPAC member

>>713984258
What does this movement have to do with Israel?

>>713984175
they dont do it because they wont make money off it and they hate that

>>713984561
The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC /ˈeJpæk/ AY-pak) is a pro-Israel lobbying group that advocates its policies to the legislative and executive branches of the United States.

>>713984175
License it for a fee then.

>>713982992 (OP)
I want this to pass because it would be so funny to see the industry shitting its pants.
I hope they truly slap corpos' shit this time. maybe then gaming will truly start healing

>>713982992 (OP)
PCMR having a melty stinky by begging and personal army bullshit. Don't forget PC fanboys of /v/ are retarded European trash. Eat shit spammer master race retard and get hit by a rogue Russian missile. Egotistic European and PCMR ego, deadly retard combo.

>>713984049
>Just release the server software
Oh yeah here just taking my proprietary software, we're on the honor system him and trust you won't reverse engineer it to create your own software on our dime

>>713984175
yeah it's actually literally impossible that's why every multiplayer game from the past is dead now like team fortress 2

>>713984602
They don’t do it because it’s a lot of work for zero payout. Literally zero reason for anyone to do so.
You guys are better off trying to force all online games to be console style where the online is serverless and you connect to another persons client.

That is super vulnerable to hackers though.

>>713984175
they don't do it because then they can't move their sheep along to the next pen on schedule

if this actually passed into law (it won't), you'd get the situation where game publishers would have to compete with their own older games so they'd have to increase in quality every time instead of just shoveling slop

>>713984893
>OPEN SOURCE???
>OH THE HORROR!!!
>SOMEBODY THINK OF THE POOR BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS!!!

>>713984730
Not that simple. You guys don’t seem to understand how non standard and support heavy a lot of these servers are.

They need an upfront fund to pay for the initial refactor of the server. Practically zero devs are good enough to plan for the sunset of their game.

>>713984947
It isn’t coherent with how online games are engineered. You’re asking for a huge fundamental shift in design philosophy but not articulating that ask.

>>713985080
Wrong. You don’t appreciate the level of effort that you’re asking for.

>>713983234
Relax with the antisemitism bro

>>713984893
you already distribute the game executables and assets. if anyone wanted to reverse-engineer anything it would have been done long ago

>>713985272
it's the same level of effort as the right to repair meme was, and that was fine

besides that i also don't care if they have to go through more effort, every single always online game is shit by default already so it's not going to make anything worse

>>713985178
>>713985272
>you don't understand, it's so hard u guise!!!
every single fucking time.
release the incredibly-hard-to-host server when your server goes down and let the public deal with it then? nobody is saying that you have to make it easy to host, just that the ABILITY to host it yourself after the central server dies exists.

>>713982992 (OP)
>companies used to willingly offer tools to host dedicated servers 20 years ago when all multiplayer games were modeled on dedicated servers and developing those tools was crucial to the game
>that means we should now force companies to either ditch the improved matchmaking systems of today and revert to last century technology, or force them to develop dedicated servers on top of the matchmaking system, increasing the cost of making games while offering nothing in return

>>713985057
>Ctrl+C
>Ctrl+V
>"hey people, we're shutting down servers and pulling the game off the shelves, but you can run your own servers with the software we've just released in a farewell update!"
The server software already exists, so it's not like devs have to do much work.

>desperate jeet shill trying to larp as a dev assisted by chatgpt prompts
Every single one of your points has been refuted a number of times, by people that actually know what they're talking about.

Cope harder, your days making a mediocre living as a paid shill are running out. Tick Tock.

>>713985606
what, pvp matchmaking? literally nothing of value

>>713985606
>matchmaking
>improved
pick one and only one
>last century technology
which worked better
>force them to develop dedicated servers
they already have those lying around. devs test things locally first because spinning AWS and cloud shit costs money
just games work like half-life or Terraria, where you can spin up a server anytime to play with your buddies

This will never ever go through because it unfairly burdens entertainers to provide their exclusive entertainment IP for perpetuity.
Entertainers should be allowed to withdraw labor from their product without having their IP infringed upon, + they should be allowed to decrease their own market presence ie. take their services away from the public or away completely. They should maintain full control of their IP, digital or not.

>>713985934
more like it won't go through because someone will lobby against it and that's it

fairness never comes into it, if someone wants to sell on a market then they need to play by the rules of that market or they can leave

>>713985606
>BLOO BLOO BLOO MUH MATCHMAKING GOOD DEDICATED SERVERS BAD WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
If they can programme a bot to set up servers, they already programmed a server browser.
>last century
kill yourself you fucking jeet, dedicated shits on matchmaking any day

>>713985934
Sure. Give me my money back when you do it, then you can get the right to revoke my purchase. That's only fair.

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHT! ESPECIALLY COLLECTIVE POSITIVE THOUGHT!

THIS SHIT IS GOING TO REACH 1,000,000 SIGNATURES EASILY!
HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW AND IT WILL MANIFEST INTO REALITY. DO IT! I'M NOT JOKING!

VISUALIZE AS OFTEN AND AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE!

EVERYTHING IS ENERGY AND VIBRATION
ATTUNE YOUR VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THAT OF FREE STUFF AND IT WILL FLOW TO YOU

>>713985606
>the improved matchmaking systems of today
lmao
You can tell the killing games crowd has no fucking clue what they’re talking about when they think matchmaking is better than dedicated servers.

>>713985445
lol not even close. The manufacturers of phones were purposely making them harder to repair.

Game devs aren’t making servers purposely hard to ship. It’s just a hard ask in an industry where there are very little standards of practice when it comes to online games.

>>713985562
Wow it’s almost like people who understand how to design servers know what you’re asking for is not very reasonable.

>>713985686
lol you’re actually a nocoder. Software engineers wouldn’t be paid so much if it were that simple.

>gibs me dat
>fo free
signed

>>713986035
Lobbies have tried to get shit killed before in the EU and it didn't work. But this one will never be implemented because this can impact any private person big or small. It needs to be more specific and surgical before they will consider this.

>>713986087
>HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW
ok I will try
PLS BE REAL PLS BE REAL PLS BE REAL PLS BE REAL
ok, done, now back to the prayer to our Lord Jesus Christ

>>713983234
if SKG is unsuccessful it will hurt game companies more in the long way.
They will just keep ramping up the anti-consumer practices until people just stop playing games, become full-time pirates or only play the old shit.

i hope all this does is end up killing multiplayer games.
sick of that normie trash

>>713986264
if someone decides to run the private servers they will have to pay out of their pocket for the electricity bill and make sure the security is on point and so on (JUST LIKE PEOPLE USED TO DO BEFORE YOU NIGGER)
so no it's about gibs, quite the opposite, once the company decides to take any responsibility for the product from itself and pass it to the community we can do whatever the fuck we want

>>713984175
>no one
There were plenty that did tho, retard...

>>713986392
not my problem
give me that for free

>>713986351
SKG is already not successful. No one who isn’t an internet dweller understands what you guys are asking for, mainly because it comes across as asking for free work.

>>713986087
I'm not hoping it. I genuinely think it will. We're making good headway for the start of the last month and then we'll get another bump as it nears the end. It's going to happen.

>>713985606
>>>>>>improved
>>>>>>>>>matchmaking

>>713986446
I think we misunderstood each other, I thought you were trolling those who are pro-skg.............................
I apologize

>>713986431
obviously not since you lads feel strongly enough to try and petition the EU about this lol.

Only valve does what you say, and they are the industry leader for PC gaming infrastructure.

People don't remember the bad old days where you had to forward ports and copy-paste IP numbers to play shit together. Risk of Rain 1 did that shit, that's the latest example I can remember. Why? Because they had a budget of fifteen dollars and the old ghetto shit method is the cheapest way of doing online lmao.
This shit is so easy, just make people be legally obligated to patch a game. All the server-only games around now would die because the bill isn't retroactive... Oh yeah /v/ is too braindead to understand what "non-retroactive" means because they only live in the present moment with no concept of future.

>>713986446
sorry, the initiative is for europeans only, jamal

>>713982992 (OP)
Reminder to report shills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9ahH6HrtTc
This is good stuff.If the EU does make a move and force game companies to changes, North America can reap the benefits just like Apple phones getting a USB-C

>>713986154
>reasonable
why not? why can't you release the code/whatever and let the consumers deal with the pain of setting it up? it's not your problem after it's been released.

Europeans care more about saving shitty games they have never played than saving their countries from shitskins
it's so funny and sad at the same time

>>713986593
that pic is a good rule of thumb, but it's not the whole story. corpos can also try to bury discussion by shadow-banning people and adjusting algorithms to suppress the story without sending people over to derail the conversation

>>713986064
Why should you get your money back for a purchase you made KNOWING I have the right to pull it offline at any moment?
Thats all on you. Just because you're assmad over your retard spontaneous money spending problem that doesn't mean everyone who has ever made a service game needs to be enslaved to keep ownership of what is rightfully theirs to begin with.

>>713982992 (OP)
Signed and will tell my friends about it

>>713986632
obviously
if some dev already includes an end of life patch what's the point of making it restricted only to the EU region since the work is already there, push it worldwide and everyone is happy, literally one extra button click
in other words mutts get the benefits without doing anything
>>713986715
>Europeans care more about saving shitty games
it's consumer rights retard, it can be video games just like it can be anything else
there's quite literally nothing bad about this
>than saving their countries from shitskins
have you been outside lately?

>>713986553
>only valve
Ok, so you are a consolenigger, got it...

>>713986154
>The manufacturers of phones were purposely making them harder to repair.
yes, that's another reason this is the same thing

>>713986351
>until people just stop playing games
You underestimate how mind broken and addicted the poor fucks that are addicted to live service slop are.

>>713986690
Because it’s not that simple. Have you ever developed a game? Most are a collection of services they paid a license for.

You as the consumer would have to buy a license to set up the server they are giving to you.

>niggers in this thread acting like SKG is a popular stance even though they can't convince a million boot licking Europoors to sign their shitty state overreach petition
kek

>>713986902
Incorrect. Game devs don’t purposely make their games die.
Why are you people so unreasonable? It’s ridiculous.

>>713986995
a bunch of amateurs got digimon rearise working on phones after service shutdown. the story parts play, but combat obviously doesn't since the data is stored server-side
it shouldn't be too hard

>>713987069
game publishers literally do make their games die on purpose

>>713986789
To be fair it sounds like you’re one of those “if it’s in the TOS it might as well be law” retards. Which only leads to anti consumer practices. Therefore you are probably a brown.

>>713986789
That copy isn't yours if you sell it. If you want to revoke my access to a good I bought, then give me back my money or get vanned for theft.

inb4
>irrelevant nonsense
This is EU. Your burger laws means nothing here.

>>713986995
That sounds like the publishers/devs problems, not mine.

>>713987069
Buddy. If devs don't make their games die... then this petition would do nothing even if it went into law. So what would be the problem then?

Reminder that the petition makes it explicit the devs don't need to pay for anything after they've abandoned the game. So what else is there?

Companies will find a way to fuck with the consumers.
>game about to die
>they release an update completely ruining the balance
>close the official servers and release the hosting software
>no one is having fun because they made it unplayable

>>713987119
Why don’t fans just crowdsource funds to pay engineers to reverse engineer their games?
Ultimately this is a question of who is going to fix the server AFTER the game isn’t generating revenue. Software engineers aren’t free.

>>713987308
too dumb to get past the law as proposed

>>713982992 (OP)
No

>>713987168
attitudes like this is why your movement is having reception issues.

>>713987215
Incorrect. This petition doesn’t have a concrete ask since “killing games” is a dramatic personification of the issue.

If this were even successful, politicians would hijack it to use it as a skin suit for one of their goals.

>>713987308
I don't think it's good for business to intentionally piss off your potential future customers out of spite.

>>713987452
"Killing games" isn't in the proposed laws. It's just the catchy slogan they're using to advertise the petition.

>>713987408
What is the law as proposed?
>>713987461
I also don’t think it’s good for business to have a massive barrier of entry.

>>713987308
>people create mods to restore balance
>everyone gets a refund from steam support
>no one buys from the company again

>I want to see companies getting "fucked", but I would never ever ever question capitalism itself, thats a leftist thing or something

>>713982992 (OP)
if we dont reach this goal thats means ni99ers and jews won

>>713987515
Where is this proposed law. The ask is complicated so i seriously doubt the law is going to adequately capture the goal here.

After all, the champions of this movement have made it clear that they don’t care how much of a burden their proposed law introduces to developers.

>>713987525
>This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
>Specifically, the initiative seeks to prevent the remote disabling of videogames by the publishers, before providing reasonable means to continue functioning of said videogames without the involvement from the side of the publisher.
>The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.

>>713985101
You don't deserve shit linuxtranny.

>>713987134
Notice how you can't address a single point.
>>713987167
The copy you bought was just a store of data and a code for a license that may or may not grant you temporary access.
The end-user license agreement is necessary for that type of game to exist in the first place. It's necessary for IP ownership of a digital entertainment service.
>inb4 calling me a burger
I'm EU lmfao. You just can't comprehend that this suggestion will be destroyed during the first pass, looking at possibilities. The second they notice that IP rights are jeopardized unless they enslave a citizen, it'll be shut down.

>>713987308
retard, if you have access to the code/server you can just modify anything you want.
or just rollback the patch.

>>713987629
the third line here >>713987647 says otherwise

>>713987647
> to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.
This would kill client/server style online games because it requires hosting the server in perpetuity.

The licenses these game devs use to run their servers are not transferable in such a way that will allow this law to work. You’re essentially asking for an entire restructuring of the way software licensing works.

This is why this movement will fail.

>>713987770
>it requires hosting the server in perpetuity.
>>The initiative does not seek to acquire ownership of said videogames, associated intellectual rights or monetization rights, neither does it expect the publisher to provide resources for the said videogame once they discontinue it while leaving it in a reasonably functional (playable) state.

read, retard, read

>>713987756
It’s already dead in the water based off of the vague proposal in line one. See
>>713987770


In essence, you guys are asking for software licenses to be reworked, which is monumental and affects much more than just video games.

>>713987725
niggers like this is why we can't have nice things anymore.

>>713987848
>see the guy who didn't even bother to read three sentences
yeah i dunno about that one champ

>>713987832
Address the issue of licenses, nigger. Do you have any clue how the software industry works?

>>713987919
You didn’t read my post.

Gamers LARPing as lawyers is honestly hilarious.

>>713987924
that's not a problem at all, they just have to ensure they are capable of releasing a game under those conditions, if they can't then it's no loss to anyone

>>713988026
Jesus fuck you really don’t know how licensing works LOL

Huh. The signature rate is actually picking up again.

>>713987924
Games, since the original doom have always been the same on this area, and the old games all still work you giganigger, you are just pretending you know shit.

>>713988068
laws and regulations work the way they're designed to work, if they need to be changed then they can be changed, that's what the petition is for

>>713987996
pajeets larping as industry experts is cringe

>>713988026
>just give me the server binaries without licenses for middleware
>>713988113
Not every game is peer to peer fucking retard.

>>713988113
Completely incorrect. Here’s an example.
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/products/playfab/multiplayer-services

>>713987908
fuck multiplayer normie games

>>713988179
just design and license the servers so that anyone can host them, if you can't go through that minimal effort then don't release your game, ez

>>713988070
More euros are awake and not at work so they can sign around this time.
Overall it is starting to slow down unfortunately.

>>713987662
>I'm EU
No Rashit. You're brown and no amount of cropped/md5 edited white hands pics with a fake timestamp will prove otherwise.
If you were actually EU you'd know software is a product, not a service, and that eulas means jackshit here.

>>713988147
Your inability to educate yourself on this topic is why people don’t take this petition seriously. You guys are asking for the entire software industry to be flipped on its head.

>>713988269
Licenses don’t work that way. The host would need to have a license to run the same server.

ahhh, chuds, hosting servers will increase emissions. You don't want to kill the planet to save videogames, right?

>>713986789
You grossly fail to understand contract law in the EU. A one-sided contract like that - even for a digital purchase - isn't legal here. You can obviously end the service and reimburse your customer in some circumstances but neither contracts nor licenses are automatically legally binding. Both laws and consumer protection take priority.

>>713988269
>just don't make mmos bro
Just stop crying when games shut down faggot.

>more legalistic bullshit arguments as to why you need to be scammed

>>713987924
>>713987996
>>713988068
>>713988179
Why are you shilling for live service slop anyway? Who exactly do you think you're helping with this?

>>713988335
We don't need a planet if we can live inside video games.

>>713988351
I’m shilling for you literal children to actually educate yourselves so your petition can be sound instead of coming across as some ridiculous ask from a bunch of spoiled children.

>>713988070
>games in the '90s and '00s shipped with map and level editors, online clients like microsoft directplay
>people even made alternatives to battle.net for diablo 2 and warcraft 3
>we had alternate servers like IWNet (which the kikes at activision swiftly shut down with legal threats) and servers like FiveM (which the jews at rockstar sent PIs to bully the makers and force them to surrender it)
make no mistake, the industry is shitting its pants at this initiative

>>713988351
What games other than always online games are not preserved by being able to buy them or download them as abandonware?

>>713988259
you are a GIGANIGGER.
This isn't about multiplayer games...
The corpos will push for cloud/live services games again soon.
Enjoy games being all netflix tier service shit soon you retard.

>>713988329
>You guys are asking for the entire software industry to be flipped on its head.
no, only the always online slop, it's an anti-consumer scam and destroying it is an unambiguous net good for humanity

>Licenses don’t work that way.
licenses work however you design them to work, if the law requires you to add clauses for opening the license upon abandonment then that works just fine

>>713988351
>Who
The people that pay him to do so, duh.

>>713988456
Always online games is a synonym for live service games.

>>713988329
devs make a server to run on the local network to test connectivity. it can run on some shitty lenovo legion laptop or something without problems. stop being facetious

>>713988481
>just open the license for mddleware that you're paying for in the first place
Retarded nigger.

>>713988481
> only the always online slop, it's an anti-consumer scam and destroying it is an unambiguous net good for humanity
I don’t disagree, but that’s not going to happen considering how much money these systems make. Gambling isn’t illegal in the EU, after all.

> licenses work however you design them to work
No, retard. Licenses are held by individuals. You can’t have a license held by a server that transfers to whoever wants to run it. That’s effectively no license.

>>713987308
Why would a company care about making an update to ruin a game just out of spite? Why would anyone take that PR hit when they're still forced to release the binaries / code / do whatever anyway? This is some retarded fucking opinion.

>>713988554
So what games other than the always online ones are not preserved?

>>713988580
no problem, the middleware also has to bow before the law, they aren't somehow exempt, and they are also allowed to bow out if they want to by doing business with other companies or in some other region

>>713988604
stop larping as a lawyer. it's cringe

>>713988578
>devs make a server
Incorrect. They pay for a license to use someone else’s server infrastructure for their game.
You guys don’t know how games are developed.

>>713988661
Anon... are you retarded?

>>713988301
Oh, is that so? If it can keep it over the average amount needed per day for a while then I think it'll still be in the clear assuming there'll be a last minute rush as it gets close to the deadline.

>>713988665
Why would anyone license software in the EU if they are required to hand over their software the moment a game dev uses it for a game?

>>713988665
You are retarded, probably a eunuch pretending to be a woman.

>>713982992 (OP)
you have go back to reditroon

>>713988642
>Why would a company care about making an update to ruin a game just out of spite?
because you have to MOVE. ON. REBUY ALL YOUR VIRTUAL CLOTHES IN OUR NEW GACHA. WE'RE BLEEDING MONEY HERE.
>>713988684
>They pay for a license to use someone else’s server infrastructure for their game.
they use local testing servers before launch you stupid faggot. no one wants to waste money on AWS for something that doesn't even work properly

is this a general?

>>713988604
>that’s not going to happen considering how much money these systems make.
anti-repair practices also made tons of money and they were still removed for consumer protection

>That’s effectively no license.
it's an open license, that's not a novel concept

>>713988751
So which games are you trying to preserve faggot?

>>713987662
I did. I basically said you are brown, and that you don’t have a good point. It happens time and time again that TOS’ don’t hold up when there’s bs involved and I hope somdah being able to arbitrarily take away an online purchase is something that companies can no longer do. You, a shitskin corporate shill, hate consumers and can only go to bat with “this is how things are just consoom” because you are a subhuman

lol idk if you'll ever read this >>713988308 but sure, denuvo loses sales from me tho, I tend to buy gog or itch.io specifically because i dont support it because any game that peddles denuvo.
nonpayers =/= lost sales
lost sales from me and bad performance = denuvo

how quickly the skiggers reveal themselves as eager authoritarians when you indulge their fantasy

what's next? suing ISP's because you can't play "your" game without an internet connection? surely internet is a human right, and everyone must be provided 100mbps minimum broadband for free

>>713988764
to sell their slop

if they don't want to nobody is forcing them, we're fine without anti-consumer slop here, thanks

>>713988580
you keep parroting this licensing bullshit over and over like a goodamn monkey.
devs will either design their games without licensing shit or keep the licensing shit to a minimum so it can swapped out for an open-sourced alternative or just remove that middleware and let gamers develop their own solutions.
sure some games that were made in the past are going to be fucked up, but the future games will have to keep this in mind

>>713988805
> they use local testing servers
Who does?
>>713988842
Not really. Fundamentally you guys are asking for software licensing to change to facilitate your ask. There is no political will in the EU to help with that task.

Right to repair was a direct action against Apple, which is why the EU was so for it.

>>713982992 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games
I'm filtering every forms of this phrase btw so I never have to see your retarded faggot petition thread spammed over and over again. Fuck you.
You will not get the required signatures before the 31 days you have left for it ends.

>>713988936
They aren’t going to be selling their slop since they won’t make money from it, since licenses would no longer be valid.

>>713988953
there's a decent amount of political will against anti-consumer practices in general, it's not entirely baseless

>>713988642
>Why would a company care about making an update to ruin a game just out of spite?
Planned obsolescence.
>Why would anyone take that PR hit
Are you fucking stupid? Do you really think they give a shit about bad PR?

>>713988604
Licenses are not bound by individuals but terms you absolute retarded doublenigger. Licenses can be granted to ANY entity under ANY terms the license holder agrees to and yes that includes public domain and open source fallbacks.

>MOVE. ON. REBUY ALL YOUR VIRTUAL CLOTHES IN OUR NEW GACHA. WE'RE BLEEDING MONEY HERE.
The EU really dislikes companies abusing loopholes in the intention of their laws to begin with. Bad idea.

>>713988937
Hey gnu/dipshit, to fix those games you have to rip the middleware out and replace it in order to share a binary with the public.

>>713989037
yes, and americans can't sell the toxic food they make for their domestic market here either, that's a good thing

>>713989045
The EU doesn’t care about anti consumer practices. Thats just rhetoric to support their real political goals, which in the case of right to repair was to show the US tech companies that they have teeth.

Gaming simply doesn’t matter enough for anyone in the EU to use political clout for this ask. There’s no return.

>>713988783
>reddit cares more about video games than /v/ermin do
Expected from the AI slopping, AGP ERPing, Nintendo worshipping, xitter screenshot posting, tranime posting board

>>713989062
>Do you really think they give a shit about bad PR?
they do. look at the asscreed fiasco that almost took ubisoft under

>>713989062
>Planned obsolescence.
Good because the EU is putting massive pressure on planned obsolescence in software products meaning a stop killing games law would definitely pass.

See:
>Sale of Goods Directive (2019/771/EU)
>Digital Content Directive (2019/770/EU)
>Upcoming "Right to Repair" Directive (2023 Proposal)
>Digital Markets Act (DMA) – In effect since 2023
>General Product Safety Regulation (2023/988/EU)

The only one who's fucking stupid is you.

>>713987308
>malicious compliance
Sounds like another billion euro fine to me.

>>713989072
Licenses are granted to individuals. This is fundamentally how they work.

>>713989145
No it’s not.

>>713989164
that's not the only problem, but there's nothing to lose either

>>713988953
devs do, you larper. you don't prototype on production hardware
>>713989221
>Sounds like another billion euro fine to me.
OY VEYYYYYYYYYY, anti-semite!

>>713989245
>No it’s not.
lmao, you're literally darwin awards levels of retarded

>>713989248
> but there's nothing to lose either
Incorrect. The existing EU software companies would lose money because of a fundamental change in how software licensing is treated by the law.

Germany takes software licensing fairly seriously.

>>713989245
>Licenses are granted to individuals. This is fundamentally how they work.
You are fundamentally wrong because licenses are granted to ANY entity you want. This isn't something you can debate about it's a fucking elementary fact of licensing.

>>713989323
uh, no, i meant there's nothing to lose if the petition does nothing

if the petition actually creates a law then that's a win, not a loss

>>713989314
I’m retarded for saying it’s not a good thing that Americans can sell their toxic food to Europeans?
>>713989289
>devs do
source? You’re making a bold assumption.

>>713989372
What about individual makes you think that individual can’t be a company?
You’re retarded.

>>713984561
It's highly antisemitic

>>713988953

>>713989415
>I’m retarded for saying it’s not a good thing that Americans can sell their toxic food to Europeans?
they CAN'T sell it, or at least the worst offenders

>>713988752
First 2 days after Moist's video were around 48k. Next day was 33k (around 30% drop), day after 30k (around 7% drop). We're definitely getting less than 30k today, but I'm not sure by how much.
The rate will continue dropping slowly, but like you said, hopefully it drops slowly enough that we're still over the average required for a good amount.
I think one last push from some e-celeb will be enough. Though hopefully there is some sort of last minute rush thing where there's a big jump right at the end.

>>713989405
The petition isn’t going to work because it comes across as an ask from a spurned child.
Personally I’m amused at all of the
>I don’t care about the technicalities of this ask JUST DO IT OR YOURE A JEW
Is this really how people in Europe petition the EU?

>>713985606
>improved matchmaking systems
Be more subtle next time

>>713989415
Yes you retard that is included in "ANY ENTITY" it doesn't have to be an individual tho. A license could be described by the following terms:

“Upon official end-of-service, non-commercial emulation by preservation groups or users is permitted under X conditions.”

>>713989484
Are you enjoying your discussion with that strawman?
>>713989480
That isn’t applicable to a live service game, anon. There is no such thing as a “local server” for online games.

https://www.keepkillinggames.com/
this kills the reddit pajeet shills

>>713982992 (OP)
>giving the government more power to fuck you over.
Kill yourselves EUROTARDS. Also, the jews will never let this pass.

>>713989536
...the reason it won't work is your feelings? get a better argument

anyway, spurned consumers have had plenty of wins before in the eu anon

>>713989019

KEEEEEEEEK eurotroons LOST

Can't wait for Thor to upload a smug gloating video when this shit flops!

>>713989196
Chadditors ban shilling this slop as problematic bandwagoning and raiding btw

>>713989587
It fundamentally can’t work how you describe, because an individual entity had to HOLD the license.

The license can’t just be granted to anyone who downloads the server.

>>713988834
No. The more or less obvious related threads in the catalog is jeets spamming threads to piss mods off and give the janny on their payroll an excuse to nuke threads when his shift starts.

>>713989718
It fundamentally can because that already happens with Library exemptions under EU copyright for digital preservation you mongoloid.

>>713989718
>this retard here acting as if the public domain doesn't exist

>>713989196
>tranime
kill yourself tourist

>>713989649
This site needs more information. Needs to be more formal. I like it though.

>>713987452
Fuck your reception issues corpo shill.

>>713989785
This isn't even about public domain he's just fucking retarded ignoring real world examples.

>>713989667
The reason it won’t work is because of comments like this. You respond to criticism like an online troll, as does everyone else representing this movement.

>>713989756
>that already happens with Library exemptions under EU copyright for digital preservation you mongoloid.
That’s IP law, not licensing. We are talking about a license given by the middleman for the right to use their server software in the game of question.

The license is granted to the dev and it cannot transfer to ALL consumers.

>>713989787
It's too focused on personalities and clout. It's openly youtube drama.

>>713989645
>There is no such thing as a “local server” for online games.
jesus christ, go back to your cucksole and reddit, you are beyond retarded.

>thor uses a ferret furry persona to have sexual roleplay on discord
>also has a charity that rescues real life ferrets which he keeps in his house
this seems a little weird

>>713989785
This isn’t a public domain issue. This is about who legally has the right to use the server software that has been licensed to the devs.

>>713989880
i mean your reason it won't work is it feels "like a spurned child" to you, which isn't going to help you win any arguments at any point in time

>>713989902
PeeSeethe lost and alwayd loses, your shitdeck has no exclusives and had its ligetime sales destroyed in one day

>>713982992 (OP)
Worried it’s just gonna lose momentum, gamers attention span is very short on pressing matters

>>713989091
any legislation would almost certainly not be retroactive
the onus on devs would be for future games or those currently in development, so there might be a few devs somewhere that get blindsided by this and are shafted

>>713989902
Prove games like wow or genshin impact have a “local” option for development testing.

They have internal servers, which isn’t what you’re imagining.

>>713989965
The reason it won’t work is that no one with technical knowledge of the field seems to be contributing to the movement.

>>713989953
yes, but that's not a problem, because both the publisher and whoever they license any part of the backend from, all go into it knowing what they signed up for

if they don't want that then they don't need to do business here, someone else will since, ultimately, there's still a lot of money to be made

>>713989649
the 3D banner is really cool.

>>713990060
Anon, not having a clear explanation as to who the licensing needs to be passed to for this plan to work is a big issue.

You guys can’t just hand wave away the technical challenges here.

>>713988204
>azure
kys cloudnigger

I don't care how hard it is. Not my problem. Make the product I paid for work indefinitely or deal with the legal ramifications. Simple. Anyone arguing against this is a bootlicking knuckle dragger.

>>713989645
>That isn’t applicable to a live service game, anon. There is no such thing as a “local server” for online games.
You can't be serious, how the fuck do you think they test shit for their games anon

>>713990050
>genshin impact
https://github.com/Grasscutters/Grasscutter

>>713989880
>That’s IP law, not licensing. We are talking about a license given by the middleman for the right to use their server software in the game of question.
>The license is granted to the dev and it cannot transfer to ALL consumers.
Licensing is the legal mechanism through which IP rights are granted you are fundamentally not understanding what it is and you show that with every fucking reply. Are you Maldavius or just unable to admit you were wrong? Fallback rights are fully possible and sometimes required by IP law itself.

No one is asking about the license itself being transmitted to all consumers but a dev, who would also be the individual in your position can can negotiate terms that permit fallback behavior (emulation, third-party hosting, etc.) after EoS. That wouldn't even break the conditions of your own argument.

>>713990130
no it's not, because it doesn't need to pass to anyone

>>713990146
maybe it's all those israel IPs shilling

>>713983234
I'm signing because I want Piratesoftware to become an even bigger lolcow when it succeeds.

>>713990141
Online games use cloud services, anon. Welcome to 2025.

>>713990174
Fundamentally incorrect.

Reminder that the realistic outcome isn't going to be publishers offering tools for hosting private servers but turning purchases into 5 or 10 year long subscriptions.

>>713990146
actual retard

>>the drama that gave this shit momentum is all dead
>Back to the same dead pace as the 10 dead months between the initial hype and this months drama
Lololol its joever. You think Thor will just pretend it never happened or after it inevitably flops upload a gloating celebration.

>>713989902
Why don't you go back to /r/GCJ and /r/PCMR where you can circlejerk harder you PC European faggot spammers. Absolute losers of the gaming space. Therapy session threads for the losers of gaming, PC fanboys need their personal army rally threads on /v/ and /r/PCMR to soothe the knowledge they own nothing and they're the most vile and toxic fanbase in gaming.

Posting in an EU spammer promotion advertising PC fanboy thread.

>>713989645
>There is no such thing as a “local server” for online games.
Really anon? I guess League of Legends and every other goddamned e-sport don't play in LAN while there is a tournament?
>inb4 League of Legends is not an online game

>>713990169
> Grasscutter has not been actively maintained and currently (as of January 12th, 2025) only works up to version REL4.0.1 (introduction to Fontaine)
lel

If it were so easy why do these projects always go dark.

>>713990272
that would also be a win since they're already subscriptions, they'd just be forced to be more honest about it

>>713990317
Even if it required a cloud server like AWS or shit it's not like you can't just rent the same fucking cloud service as they did.

>>713990317
They spin up a parallel server and call it “tournament”. There is no difference between it and the main server, software wise.

If we had to develop fire safety systems nowadays we would never get shit like fire escape ladders, hydrants and other shit...
>YOU CAN'T FORCE PEOPLE TO UPGRADE THEIR BUILDINGS WITH THESE LADDERS BLABLABLA.

>>713990348
The problem is they might be turned into industry standard.

>>713990046
>any legislation would almost certainly not be retroactive
Nice video game preservation initiative, faggot. So this is just about virtue signaling and eceleb spam without any sense of direction or goals.

>>713982992 (OP)
I'm American but I see you guys got like 200,000 signs in a few weeks. You can do it I believe in you, you just need streamers to shill

>>713990272
This would be great. Either it finally wakes people up to the bullshit when their copy of the game says "ends in 5 years" on the box, or we finally get devs to admit in plain language that they're fucking us up the ass. Win-win.

>>713990441
they ARE industry standard

>>713990272
Good. Now there's another avenue for competition so games are forced to become better purchases
>MMO blue is planning 5 years of support!
>Oh yeah, well MMO red is planning 10 years of support, so I'll play that instead

>>713986351
>if you let your enemy win, they'll hurt themselves one day in the far future.
Fuck off Trudeau

>>713990348
Requiring an expectation of long term support is fairly reasonable. That should be at the top of the petition.

>>713990272
Not going to happen since subscribtions are not sustainable and people generally tolerate 1~2 subscribtions max. This is why MMOs are moved to free to play model. This is why videogame publishers are trying to hide GaaS behind a regular purchase.

>>713990498
it very obviously is, since if there is no end of service none of this comes into effect

If this initiative is to succeed we must ally with vtubers, we must get saba on this immediately.

>>713990435
That was all leftist communism, yes. All trade unions worker and human rights all safety things ever were from the far left, if youre not a socialist or outright communist that makes you an antihuman fascist

>>713990408
Wonderful — so we can host our own servers after EOS since the structures for that are obviously already developed, maintained and available.

>>713983389
neither lefties nor righties are against it, only people assuming things they shouldn't and misunderstanding the intentions of the campaign. And company shills of course.

>>713990272
>forcing publishers to label their product with "WARNING, THIS PRODUCT CONTAIN LIQUID SHIT" is a bad thing

>>713990586
KYS vtumor Id rather there be a law past that shit cancer streamers and all their braindead simps be executed than if they helped the movement in any way shape or form.

>>713990443
>all the videogames that exist right now are all the videogames that are ever going to exist ever
you dumb faggot
bringing shit like concord back isn't going to happen

>>713990236
>Online games use cloud services, anon. Welcome to 2025.
kys cloudnigger

>>713990586
>4chan NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY BULLSHIT
>If this initiative is to succeed we must ally with vtubers, we must get saba on this immediately.
/r//pcmr/ /v era/ gaming moment European moment

>>713990173
>Are you
My money's on it being some new poo hire working the graveyardshift and frantically trying to get chatgpt to give him something that'll make him seem like he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

>>713990408
Oh, it is plenty different. Thank you for outing yourself for never have watched any e-sports.
>>713990384
Fuck renting. I have a spare tower, i'll build the server myself.

>>713990328
>If it were so easy why do these projects always go dark.

poetry how a guy who goes by Pirate Software became the biggest bootlicker to companies

>>713990559
It’s obviously not, since if it were that would be what every anon would reply to me with when I ask them what this petition is about.

I’ve been doing this since this petition started, and EVERYONE has their own end state that they envision. This is why I say this petition will fail: it’s not clear at all as to what the petition is asking for.

Requiring an explicit commitment on long term support in the TOS opens the door to litigation, which is reasonable and actionable and can be understood by non gamers.

>>713990146
This. As a consumer you have literally no reason to be against this initiative.

>>713990272
And this is where your argument completely breaks. SKG is advocating for a reasonable EOS solution by the publisher and developers you are turning GaaS into a 10 year old slave contract where it legally can't be shut down under any circumstance. I mean, sure go for it, because that's still a win for the consumer but this is more harmful to the Industry than SKG.

>>713990443
Yeah, nothing good will be preserved that died out already as >>713990702 says itll only be whatever future wokeslop comes out.

>>713990608
Sure, it just doesn’t come with instructions or any troubleshooting documentation. Also you don’t get to have it unless Riot Games goes out of business.
Good luck!

>>713990702
Kill yourself, you're as useful as a conservative when it comes to anything other than nigs or jews.

>>713990718
No more arguments or nta? I accept your concession.

>>713990298
Least desperate poo shill spotted.

>>713990716
seek canadian healthcare consoletranny.
you will end up killing yourself anyway when nintendo pulls the plug on your mario kart and all the other slop you "own" in 5 years.

Signatures start showing an inflection point. We'll be below the required daily minimum before the end of the week. It's over.

>>713990725
It’s not different at all. Esports is gay and you’re gay for watching it.

>>713990768
bro games being locked unplayable after end of service is exactly what the phrase "stop killing games" is against, like there is no other "killing" of games here

if you look at the explanation from the petition itself, seen here >>713987647, it's also talking about that

the fact that you're confused isn't a problem since what it's about is very plainly visible in both the title and also the summary

>>713990892
>no I want fraud to be legal!
you're the fucking jew here

>>713990952
It was utopian to expect over 500k signatures in just 31 days to begin with. Ross should have opened the drama valves a lot earlier instead of going radio silent.

>>713990929
>NOT YOUR PERSONAL ARMY BULLSHIT (moot rule)
/r/PCMR and PC /European/ can't read :( Reddit PC fanboys are a shitstain on /v/ and need to get their own board.

>>713990982
>bro obviously stop killing gaming implies exactly this!
It doesn’t. You’re taking your familiarity with this movement for granted.

>>713990989
>no you're the one preserving niggers and jews actually
Fuck your gay petition, you incompetent faggot.

>>713990989
"legal fraud" is a synonym for "normal law"

>>713990753
He came up with the name so anyone googling 'pirate [his game here]' would only get the official sellers page from pirate software and he cant get pirated, hes a deviosly clever genios

The momentum is slowing again.

Give it up. Ukraine lost.

>>713991057
and he recoils in horror

>>713990868
I'm pretty sure they can be forced to release internal documentation that's fine. No issue with the rest, sounds good. Ty.

>>713991045
i heard about it yesterday and just checked it out today lmao

>>713990952
We don't have enough data to infer the drop rate. Give it a couple days and we'll know if it's cooked.

>>713990753
You'll understand when you are older.

>>713991139
You preserve nothing. Neck yourself.

>>713991031
All we need is just another drama or two to push it to 1mil.
Center EU loves drama, just one big youtuber to shit on Maldy Fagtree would be enough

>>713991117
This chad is so based look at his pic, you reckon hell make a video mocking skg when they lose

>Advertising (all forms) is not welcome—this includes any type of referral linking, "offers", soliciting, begging, stream threads, etc.
>4chan is not your personal army
One day /r/Europe and /r/GCJ /r/PCMR will read and they'll go back to their PC master race shitstain hivemind of PC fanboyism.

>>713991152
>im sure they can be forced to
Not really. You’re taking for granted that they have internal documentation for this lol.

>>713991117
FUCK I NEED TO RAPE A FERRET IN THE ASS RIGHT NOW

>>713990952
There'll probably be a final bump near the end so it's still doable.

>>713991117
Stop Killing Games achieved more in 3 days than Putin did.

>>713990697
>>713990716
I know you're assmad about this but it's the only way, im sorry.

>>713990774
You're fucking retarded. This is a slippery slope to be used to force EVERYONE on whatever bullshit the government wants.

>>713984049
>Just release the server software, it's not that fucking hard.
The server software might be made to run on a very specific hardware (Blizzard literally couldn't run their vanila WoW code, because they didn't have the exact same machine).
The server might use third party software, which has a license and privacy agreement, and won't work without it (like nVidia hair, or some multithreading solution, or DRM).
The game might include licensed music or names or other brands, and the license agreement requiring only the license owner hosts the software.
The game server might include security features, anti-cheat, etc, that are still used in other products, and therefore shouldn't be released to the public to look at.
The owner of the code and the publisher/maintainer of the game might be separate companies, there's literally companies specialized in buying dead MMORPGs to milk, and they don't own the underlying code to release it; so when the game dies, its rights are divided between two companies, who might not have common incentive to release the server.
The dead game might be a competitor to an ongoing product by the company, so they'd lose on potential profits by releasing it for free (Overwatch 1, Overwatch 2, etc).


Any law for this must only be for future releases, which will include these consideration into their design phase. Already released games can't be grandfathered in.

>>713990459
If you know any euros you should ask if they know about this. It's basically the same situation that lead to Steams auto refunds, so it's most likely going to benefit you as well.

>>713991238
consoles are both a scam and objectively shit in practice, and you're multiple kinds of retarded for liking them

Yep. It's streamers, VTubers, e-celeb, advertising and begging, personal army thread. It's /r/PCMR PC fanboy gaming time on /v/ the most cancerous fanbase least self-aware manchild fanbase of video games, PC vegans.

>>713983389
there isn't a single human being agaibst this beyond literal paid ubisoft employees

>>713991245
And how would that stop anyone from making sure to include the necessary documentation to get the software running by law? Get to fucking work Rahjesh! You don't wanna lose access to a 750 million people market do you?

>>713991269
I signed this shit the very first day it started and i dont want vtranny slop for pedos involved

>>713991304
not my problem

>>713991304
>Any law for this must only be for future releases
Guess what it will be then, anon.
It's already like this. Expecxting new laws to be retroactive is insane.

>/v/ doesn't need to be split into /v PC/ and /v consoles/
Yep. PC gamer thread. VTubers, advertising and begging, streamers, Reddit /r/PCMR Europeans, yep. Great quality.

>>713991304
These can all be worked around. Watch the video. And Overwatch 1 players were given Overwatch 2, so that would have eaten into their profits if they didn't just give them the option to buy 2 also.

>>713991430
this, lmao

>>713991117
>>713991251
The worst thing about this is that game publishers will continue to release games with a 2-3 year life span, by design, that they sell as products. The second worst thing is that the smug furry will release a video bigging himself up, "I told you so", and explain why corporate cock is an excellent diet, rich in protein.

>>713991338
They have all the good games, your shitdeck has 0 exclusives

>>713982992 (OP)
Hate to be the one telling you all this, but according to the current trajectory:
>Pessimistic scenario: 660k-725k
>Most likely scenario: 725k-900k
>Optimistic scenario: 950k-1200k

There needs to be another one or two massive pushes for this to succeed.

>>713991392
I don’t see how you’re going to force a company that is shutting down to do a god damn thing lmao.

>>713991452
it's not really insane, it's like making a law that substance t is toxic and can't be in food, you definitely want that law retroactive so they toxic food is taken off the shelves

>>713991459
>where's my echochamber
cope

>>713982992 (OP)
This feels like the next SOPA or net neutrality nothingburger

>>713991505
wrong

>>713991490
I want SKG to succeed both for vidya games and because I hate Maldavius "Jason" Figtree so god damn much.

>>713982992 (OP)
>consumer
I still laugh when I see this dehumanising corpo speak being used by their targets.
They only started using consumer so they could avoid saying customer, they don't like the connotations associated with that word

>back in my day, you could host a dedicated server on a pentium 3
millennial nostalgia. that's basically what SKG boils down to. the 2000s are to them what the 80s are to gen x. they need to accept their good old times have passed and the present is someone else's future good old times.

>>713991503
>PC has 0 exclusives
zoomers are really shit at arguing

>>713991505
TRVTHNVKE this shit flopped worse than soap sales in mumbai

>>713991505
well one push is coming via xitter july 2
i imagine there is going to be a final push the last few days
there could be more in between if big streamers talk about it again

>>713991518
EOS != Company Shutting Down

>>713991623
Many such cases

>>713982992 (OP)
Unironically email pewdiepie markiplier etc
Only through the power of normies can this be achieved.

>>713991419
Then you don't want to win.

>>713991623
>and the present is someone else's future good old times.
grim

>>713991623
>zoomers in 2060 thinking back to how wonderful gacha slop was
lmao

>>713989645
this level of incompetence paired with the inability to admit a mistake. Jason, is that you?

>>713991117
Man what a repulsive human being, impossible not to hate him
I don't understand how he got such a big following, I guess people just bought his wise ass persona

>>713991615
Consumer and customer means different things but I fundamentally agree with you.

>>713991675
Why would the service end if the company isn’t shutting down? Use your brain, retard.

>>713982992 (OP)
>>>/b/
Fuck off.

>>713991643
Shitdeck could have utilised its unique hardware for games specialised especially for it but literally 0 PC is just shovelware garbage with viruses and hackers, literally no good gaming

Reminder, the more shills/bots oppose it, the more likely it is to actually be a good idea. Exhibit A:
>>713990697
>>713990716

Vtumors are indeed cancer, but if a bigname like that sharkloli (who apparently retired?) was talking about it, the signature servers would be overloaded with how many people would sign simultaneously.

>>713991541
This is already the case, and is already happening.
Companies will jsut have to comply that their products sold AFTER the law is aplpied msut not contain said substance. Old products that were sold, and are already in the houses of customers, won't be removed.

>>713991778
Ask Ubisoft?

>>713991795
Why the fuck would they do that? Retarded idea.

It's almost at 65% now

>>713991726
I want all vtumors and their simps to keel over, correct.

>>713990868
Yeah, they totally set up every single service manually every time instead of having automation i.e. Terraform scripts for that.

>>713991885
two more weeks

>>713991845
Didn’t Ubisoft just sell their most valuable IPs to Tencent? Why would they do that if they aren’t shutting down?

They are transitioning away from being a development studio and into being an IP holder that contracts rights out to developers.

>>713991304
>The server software might be made to run on a very specific hardware (Blizzard literally couldn't run their vanila WoW code, because they didn't have the exact same machine).
Too bad, incompetence has its price. Pay the fines.
>The server might use third party software, which has a license and privacy agreement, and won't work without it (like nVidia hair, or some multithreading solution, or DRM).
Next time think about how to save costs the right way. Protip: fines ain't cheap.
>The game might include licensed music or names or other brands, and the license agreement requiring only the license owner hosts the software.
You are stuck in 20/20 here between regulations. Your problem so pay up and careful with licenses next time.
>The game server might include security features, anti-cheat, etc, that are still used in other products, and therefore shouldn't be released to the public to look at.
Your problem lol.

>The dead game might be a competitor to an ongoing product by the company, so they'd lose on potential profits by releasing it for free (Overwatch 1, Overwatch 2, etc).
Now here's the real reason. You convinced me to side with the corporations so they can fuck me in the ass even harder.

COMMIES GET THE FUCK OUT
YOU WON'T GET FREE GAMES
FUCK OFF

>>713990893
I was just making a guess as to the ethnicity of the guy you were arguing with. Shills getting btfo this consistently warms my heart.

Someone ought to cap the convo so he can be easily refuted next time he tries the same larp.

>>713991452
>Expecxting new laws to be retroactive is insane.
I was banned from a sports competition that I had already attended, because asthma medication was added to the list of banned substances after said competition had already ended.
Granted, it was legit a PED, it increased oxygen levels in blood, but it literally was legal when I took it.

>>713991971
Read up on the "The Crew" drama if you wanna know more about how SKG even came to be.

>>713991934
>terraform scripts
lol this nigger thinks riot uses terraform

>>713991856
Why would it have good games why would their be any point whatsoever to buying a shitdeck? Your right there is no point to buy PCslop

>>713991623
>and the present is someone else's future good old times

>hey remember Fortnite?
>hey remember <generic gacha slop>?
>hey remember <generic smartphone game where you have to get out of your house>?

fuck sake and I thought I had it bad for having nostalgia for COD:MW and S4 League

>>713991623
>this retard thinks you need supercomputers to run server for shitty console games
ayyyyy lmaoooo

>>713991810
depends, if the toxic food was bad enough you could also get insistence on removing it from customers and insistence on refunds for them, though obviously nobody will take scummy game design as seriously as actual toxin at least nobody outside the usa, pretty sure americans are the only people in the world brainwashed enough to poison themselves to death to support some sort of magical fairytale capitalism that doesn't exist but they were still indoctrinated on

>>713991117
Russia summer offensive status?

>>713992061
You probably don't know what it is, but that's not the point - the technology used doesn't matter. What matters is that there's no way they don't have that shit automated - so just release the fucking scripts.

>>713992053
I remember reading up on it. Doesn’t make this petition any less clustered and chaotic.

You guys would be better off creating a petition preserving the right to reverse engineer these games so that volunteers can hack the game without getting sued.

>>713992138
summer just started anon :)

>>713992025
It's funny because you know that ChatGPT (which they probably use) never references real world examples when asking to argument against something and often puts you into a corner that can be easily dismantled. No wonder he just disappeared and closed the thread or refused to engage further into it.

>>713992138
Ukraine is just a one week easy conquest btw

>>713991251
>FUCK I NEED TO RAPE
>IN THE ASS
Real russmutt hours. Kiss the kuran.

>>713991304
>Blizzard literally couldn't run their vanila WoW code, because they didn't have the exact same machine
Blizzard couldn't but a bunch of nerds running private servers could?

>>713992152
lol this nigger is trying to use terraform as a flex.

>>713992172
anon your complaints here are complaints about literally every democratic process there is

that doesn't mean it can't work

well, democracy rarely actually works, but that's for other reasons like lobbying

>>713992172
Well to start with something; it's not even a petition.

>>713992219
>you had to flirt with my wife for 3 years to fuck her, what loser!

>GUYS THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO RELEASE SERVER CODE!!!!
It's not retroactive because that's not how the law works. Any games out there right now will be grandfathered in.
Existing games won't have to release anything. Future games can and should be built with an EoL plan in mind. If you can't even do your customers the service of not shooting their purchase in the head once it's no longer at peak economic efficiency then you don't deserve to succeed.
If you don't have the money to do it in the first place then maybe you shouldn't be making a live-service game at all. I imagine it costs a lot more money to maintain servers for years on end than to spend some development time making a server package.

>>713991943
But this time for real

>>713992125
Cope sasha, the USSR lost.

>>713992246
>Blizzard couldn't but a bunch of nerds running private servers could?
That wasn't vanilla WoW, it was the open beta that leaked, and had been modified by volunteers for over a decade.
Pirate servers host that modified WoW beta code. The actual vanilla WoW code never leaked.

I just remembered something. Didn't Ross say that we needed more than 1M because they'll review votes and maybe cancel a few invalid ones? We're further from the goal than we think.

>>713992246
Yes, because the nerds do it for free.
>>713992296
It won’t work because even if you get the signatures, the ask is vague enough to where any politician can hijack this movement and skin suit it for some other goal.

That’s the real issue here.

>>713992219
>hmpf I could easily conquer you guys instead I am just wasting time! I win!

>>713991943
>>713992347
isnt it 4 more weeks?

>>713992418
>skin suit it for some other goal.
name three examples that don't sound retarded or outright counter to the petition

>>713992304
I just wish they would have had some champions brainstorm on this a bit before going to the petition stage. It’s more of a complaint brought to the lords council than an actionable petition.

>>713991759
>I don't understand how he got such a big following
Night Media.

>>713992402
Best case would be 1.1m or 1.2m. Some countries have the databases to automatically validate the votes on the petition eg. they check if you are registered with your name under that adress you entered. This doesn't work everywhere in the EU.

>>713992353
there's a big difference between what capitalism is and the weird story americans tell themselves about it

>>713992484
lol first time in politics I assume?
DSA in Europe is being hijacked for censorship and propaganda purposes. There’s the biggest example.

>>713992402
>votes
what nigger? this is just a signature, nobody is voting anything.
and the system requires ID, pretty sure you can't fake that.

>>713982992 (OP)
NYPA

>>713992283
So what does Riot use then?

>>713992497
dude, the petition isn't actionable either way, it's just a suggestion no matter how far it gets, it's not going to legally bind anything on its own

>>713983234
If SKG wins:
>Concord would've had a label promising 10 years of service
Just imagine how fucking hilarious it would've been watching Concord just sit in a pool of its own shit while Sony begrudgingly spends money on its upkeep for 10 years.

>>713992418
>ask is vague enough
There's a character limit, bro. Given the constraints, it's damn near as explicit as it can possibly be.

>>713992631
Probably a custom solution.
>>713992670
It would probably have more signatures if it were easier to understand. That’s what I’m getting at.

>>713992342
>we're not actually saving any games
>we're saving the goyslop from the future

>>713992607
>can't name a single example of what stop killing games could be hijacked for
>mentions dsa which was was about censorship and propaganda from the outset and calls it "hijacked"
yeah i think you're full of shit

>>713992626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHuqS8ej6fI

>>713992727
That wouldn't be what would have happened at all. They'd release a server binary so people can run it at home and wash their hands of it.

>>713984175
Every single game has dedi servers and LAN options.
How else you think they test the game in house? You think they use matchmaking and some expensive central retardhub for daily testing?

>>713992670
It's not a petition and the process after it passes is legally defined. It doesn't mean it will pass as law — you are completely right about that one — but it will force the parliament to both hear and decide on it.

>>713992727
Refunding every buyer's money is always an alternative, and that's what Sony chose to do with Concord. As funny as it is to think about, Concord is 100% SKG-compliant.

>>713992786
i imagine it would be easier to understand if your iq were higher than 80 too

>>713990408
it's LAN bro.

>>713992670
If it gets a milly votes its only to be looked at by the unelected parliament, guess what the eurabian caliphs get forced to look at this shit would say
>Habibi who cares, vidya is haram, now next topic of discussion raising the jizya on the kaffirs

>>713992783
I guess it’s more because the petition is written for gamers. If it were asking explicitly for
>software must explicitly state its support window at purchase date
I think it’d reach outside of the gamer space. Ultimately, this is a question about the software industry as a whole so it should be tailored as such.

Just mild criticisms, though. Their heart is in the right place.

>>713992840
If the SKG passed with the best outcome.
Worst outcome would just force the publisher to add a deathdate/promise of upkeep

>>713992818
Goalpost status: moved.

>>713992887
>every game has LAN options
That’s incorrect. The term “LAN” isn’t really applicable to live service games.

>>713992985
>uses a brit buzzword while bantering about infiltration by islam
your glass is a lot more fragile than mine anon, are you sure you want to do this

>>713992904
Comments like this really aren’t winning you guys any allies.
>>713992929
It’s not. Online service games don’t have “LAN”.

>>713993110
Name a game that was not developed and tested with LAN functionality being used as part of the testing progress

>>713993110
i asked for three examples that aren't counter to the petition, you taking this to mean your goal posts were about anything you can think of rather than the petition is your own skill issue, either way you failed

We are past the minimum needed today. I have hope that this momentum will continue.

>>713991304
the petition is not asking it to be grandfathered in. if you'd spent the time it took to write this to watch the video, you could've avoided this blunder.

>>713993180
>LAN functionality
You don’t know what that means. LAN simply refers to which network is being accessed.

>>713982992 (OP)
Maybe you'd stop killing games if you voted properly, and the EU would stop fucking shooting itself in the foot with every heavy tax and socialist government.
There's a reason why literally California o San Francisco fuck the shit out of EU alone company-wise and money-wise.

>>713991885
PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT

>>713993203
I’m not really interested in being quizzed by some spastic online troll. More interested in talking with the relatively few anons ITT who bothered to think about the technicalities this petition requires.

>only 18k with 6 hours to go
Are we not hitting 30k today, bros?

>>713992786
>Probably a custom solution.
Building new systems and training your new sysadmins to use nonstandard solutions (unless you're the ones making the standard - which tech companies do often, not so much gaming companies) is a huge expense and nobody in the industry does that. They can't even make their game run right and you think they're building their own deployment services lmao.

>>713993398
The fuck are you on about you babbling retard

>>713993398
Hi Russiabot only soviets dislike the EU becoming a federal superstate.

>>713993445
It’s Riot Games, anon. Their game runs like shit because they do custom solutions. Just look at Vanguard.

>>713993398
ah yes, only good things came out of california...
Thanks for making this great point.

>>713993414
PAST THE POINT OF NO RETURN

>>713993498
>only Soviets dislike the EU becoming Soviet
hmmm..

>>713993398
>Americans in charge of not sucking off multi billion dollar companies
You know they'll never let you into their cool billionaire guys club right?

>>713993605
Why is everything about class warfare to you people?

>>713993073
No they wouldn't, dumping the docker-compose for their server infrastructure when the game dies would be more than enough to comply.

>>713993398
but California is literally the EU of the USA?

>>713993657
Americans aren't people.

>>713993657
because it is

>>713991304
>The server software might be made to run on a very specific hardware (Blizzard literally couldn't run their vanila WoW code, because they didn't have the exact same machine).
Then release the binary and document that it need specific hardware.

>The server might use third party software, which has a license and privacy agreement, and won't work without it (like nVidia hair, or some multithreading solution, or DRM).
Release the source and document that it needs X, Y and Z. Players can either get those licenses or rewrite the code to work without. For their next games the devs factor this into the decision of what software to use, encouraging open source in the long run.

>The game server might include security features, anti-cheat, etc, that are still used in other products, and therefore shouldn't be released to the public to look at.
Your failure to plan ahead does not invalidate the rights of your customers.

>The game might include licensed music or names or other brands, and the license agreement requiring only the license owner hosts the software.
>The owner of the code and the publisher/maintainer of the game might be separate companies, there's literally companies specialized in buying dead MMORPGs to milk, and they don't own the underlying code to release it; so when the game dies, its rights are divided between two companies, who might not have common incentive to release the server.
Don't advertise to sell something if you don't have rights to sell it.

>The dead game might be a competitor to an ongoing product by the company, so they'd lose on potential profits by releasing it for free (Overwatch 1, Overwatch 2, etc).
"Your toaster is a competitor to future toasters we want to sell to you, so we have the right to enter your home and take it away, it's in our TOS"

>Any law for this must only be for future releases, which will include these consideration into their design phase.
No shit, that's how law has always worked.

>yuropoors can't even drum up 1m signatures to do something good for consumer rights because their entire continent are 20 something african and muslim immigrants
Sad. Many such cases.

>>713993657
Because everything IS about class warfare you fucking subhuman.
Why do you think they let all those brown people in?

>>713993717
Didn’t class warfare lead to millions of Europeans being slaughtered in two world wars?

>>713993770
Probably because the last time they had to fix class warfare they ended up slaughtering millions of their laborers. They import Africans to replace the laborers they slaughtered because they were becoming class conscious.

>>713993739
>Many such cases
How many other continents have an African and Muslim majority? Africa?

>>713993771
What the actual fuck is wrong with amerimutts? If you're not underage then this is an embarrassingly retarded post

>>713993657
You and a billionaire living next door to you are not playing to the same goal. There is nothing in common between you and them, they are basicall yaliens in human skin. They don't want to be in your position (poor) and they don't want you to become as them. The only way to make them cooperate is to do it on a state level, that's all there is to it.

>>713993770
That's race warfare you retarded commie nigger.

>>713993771
No, that mainly happened in communist countries. The word wars happened due to a mix of imperialism and nationalism.

imagine the timeline if maldavius figtree just went "oops, my bad guys" during that wow raid

>>713993398
>EU anons hating on this post
the guy is right

>>713993913
>europeans don’t know why they went to war
Lmao. Once again the capitalist comes out on top.

>>713993939
Thank you for proving you're exactly as dumb as a nigger.

>>713993913
The prussian and austrian monarchies were woke communist globalists btw

>>713992019
I am already getting free games.
>free games on epic
>free games on steam
>free games on GOG
This is not about the games i get for free. This is about the games i paid money for.

>>713994008
Go home shitskin.

>>713993507
Ok so I actually bothered looked it up and they have extensive blogposts about their infrastructure. They use JFrog to deploy docker containers on AWS.
https://technology.riotgames.com/news/running-online-services-riot-part-iv
So yeah, pretty much like every other company in the world. This makes it even easier to replicate their shit.

>>713993932
There are no billionaires around me so I usually don’t think about them.

>>713993942
Anon, Germany going fascist was essentially the result of the labor class gaining political consciousness.

The capitalists instigated the wars to fix this. They are completely willing to instigate wars that lead millions of your people to slaughter if you dare impede their goals.

>>713993771
Rightoids high on their own product were the ones that killed people.

>>713993963
grim

>>713994068
Why would they let you replicate their shit? That would lose them money.

>>713994156
Massive cope. Socialists aren’t rightoids.

>>713994116
>There are no billionaires around me so I usually don’t think about them.
That's good, because they certainly don't think about you when they milk society dry just to see another 0 on their bank account.

>>713983234
Anthros?

>>713993398
>>713993963
>>713994160
>just whore yourself to corporations, this helps you have more ChatGPTs, Netflixes and other overpriced companies that would sell theri service to you regardless of where they are, and dont pay tax anyway

>>713994116
>WW3 will begin not due to Israel or Iran or Russia but because of a movement to preserve videogames
I'm alright with this. Bring it.

>>713994239
I don’t care if they milk California. California was made to be milked.

>>713994218
Did you forget that we're talking about a scenario where their games are done and dead? Nobody is asking companies to let people replicate the infrastructure of a live game.

>>713993963
>Corporate consolidation good

>>713994156
Actually it was those eastern mongrel lefties.

>>713993963
Amazing how none of those american companies actually produce anything of value.

Things can never get better until we smash the stock markets, execute all CEOs and hang all the people who make their living by playing with other people's money.

>>713984258
It's not Americans. Americans like owning the things they buy too. They just don't.

>>713994218
Last time I checked it was Hitler that started the world war and a program of systematic eradication of races deemed not fit to live?

>>713994304
If only. It’d be the least gay option for WW3, at least we can all die for something we believe in.
>>713994332
Of course. But I still don’t know how you’re going to force a dead company to do anything.

>>713994218
>National Socialists aren’t rightoids.

>>713994361
>Incel nazi rightist nafo fanfiction

>>713993963
>>713993398
>unironically going muh GDP

>>713994416
Makes me think of this image.

>>713986351
accelerationism is a meme in politics and so is in business
people will eat up whatever bullshit the companies make
soon enough we won't own anything and you still push this bs

>>713994408
> Last time I checked it was Hitler that started the world war
Oh you sweet innocent child. The British were never going to let little old Hitler get away without forcing him into war. Too many contracts under competition to allow that to happen.

>>713994408
The holohoax never happened, slavmutts and jews invented it as a founding myth of the new world.

>>713993734
>The server might use third party software, which has a license and privacy agreement, and won't work without it (like nVidia hair, or some multithreading solution, or DRM).
Why would a server run nVidia hair? What the fuck is a multithreading solution that isn't part of the OS / driver to begin with? Just remove the DRM it's EOS anyway who is harmed by it All of these sounds reasonable to an idiot at first but are really non issues when you spend a minute to think about it.

>The game server might include security features, anti-cheat, etc, that are still used in other products, and therefore shouldn't be released to the public to look at.
So remove them or plan ahead.

>he game might include licensed music or names or other brands, and the license agreement requiring only the license owner hosts the software.
So include fallback terms when licensing your stuff in the future. We had this argument earlier in the thread. SKG isn't working retroactively anyway.

>The dead game might be a competitor to an ongoing product by the company
So what? Apple patched old iPhones to run slower to boost their new release and were already fined for it in the EU. This is exactly the kind of anti consumer practice that is already highly illegal and will make this pass even easier.

>Any law for this must only be for future releases
Which is precisely what SKG states

>>713994292
>>713994361
>nitpicking this hard when companies like these have made the country grow further with their capital while Europe does goodism with gays and muslims, while prancing and crying about how orange man is bad
Fuck off. Keep voting for Macron, Merkel and Sanchez I suppose.

>>713994486
>GDP is not important
Amazing. Great job!

>>713994453
They aren’t. No monarchy and believe in centralized government.

>>713994305
Anon they milk everything that has money in it. If starving your entire city made them a few extra dollars they'd do it in a heartbeat. This is why state regulations exist, without them you'd still have lead in paints and gasoline.

>>713984049
There are a million technical and legal reasons why you can't "just release the software" but maybe you should "just not buy live service games". Read the TOS before you purchase, retard. You choose what to spend your money on.

>>713993734
>Your failure to plan ahead does not invalidate the rights of your customers
Top kek
You have no rights dummy. You purchased the live service product, you didn't read the TOS, you clicked accept anyway, you thought you were buying a game when you were actually renting a limited license.
Oh who am I kidding, this is /v/, none of you faggots play games anyway, you just watch other people play them and seethe over e-celeb drama.

>>713983680
Frankly what's needed is some big greek or italian streamer because those are the lazy ass bum countries who clearly can't be bothered to use English.

>>713993963
>market cap
lmao

>>713994486
GDP is important because...listen we have to import more africans to increase it okay?

>>713994408
Yup socialist hitler of the german socialist allied with latinx italian socialists and japan an anti colonial third worldist leftist power dedicated to freeing the global south and slaughtering whites vs the racist chuds the french empire british empire and american empire pwning those woke lefties out of their delusions of equality

>>713994604
Currently they are milking the immigrants. So again, not my problem. I’m simply not going to fight and die for your stupid class war.

>>713994416
Just because a game is dead doesn't mean the company and/or the publisher is. Obviously if the company is really dead there's nothing you can do - you can't get them all, but just because you can't revive 100% of the games doesn't mean you should give up on all of them.

>EU /v/ doesn't like making money, doesn't like GDP growth and country growth
End this thread. The region is going ape-with-stone with their muslims and negros.

>>713994572
It isn't if none of those that live in the country see any of that wealth or the benefits that it brings, and the upper 0.1% have become increasingly efficient at ensuring that no wealth that they hoard ever leaves their hands. And if you're going to start talking about fucking "trickle down" economics I'm just going to call you a fucking faggot.

>>713994687
Why would a publisher allow their game to be considered dead if it requires them to commit extra work into the dead game that won’t generate revenue?

>>713994637
silly anon, of course Tesla should be worth more than the rest of the global car industry combined. The stock market is never wrong after all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z4w_h2-UkM

>>713994760
Tesla is a battery company that sells cars.

>>713994737
>USA /v/ wishes there were more fentanyl dealers, to grow the GDP of the country via that lucrative and trendy commerce

>>713994737
Tsmt those natividt chuds need to import the entirety of africa and all the worlds muslims to make the gdp increase.

>>713994607
>You have no rights dummy.
We do in the EU.

>You purchased the live service product, you didn't read the TOS
TOS are not automatically legally binding in the EU.

>you clicked accept anyway
Still not automatically legally binding in the EU

>you thought you were buying a game when you were actually renting a limited license
Both are digital goods subject to their own laws and the lack of clear declaration would make a court case just easier in the EU.

>Oh who am I kidding, this is /v/, none of you faggots play games anyway, you just watch other people play them and seethe over e-celeb drama.
Go fuck a Ferret, Maldavius

>>713994737
Is it so hard to accept that some people just want to live comfortable lives? Go chase your imaginary numbers if you want, see how that works for you when you default on your debt in 2 decades.

>>713994737
>gdp keeps growing
>market keeps growing
>and yet the currency keeps losing purchasing power and a sum that could buy you a house in 60's now can barely afford you a year's rent
Funny how it is, ain't it?

>>713994870
Holy slop why are Eurabians so smug and annoying? Hope these annoying nazis are the ones in the next truck of peace.

>>713994664
The based slavgooks too,together they freed the White semiteGODS of middle eastern complexion. So fucking based, I love sandniggers so much.

>>713994743
>It isn't if none of those that live in the country see any of that wealth or the benefits that it brings
Congratulations, you've now realized how horrible taxes are.

>>and the upper 0.1% have become increasingly efficient at ensuring that no wealth that they hoard ever leaves their hands.
>it's not fair, I also want to win!
Come on. The world doesn't work like that. Work your ass off and make money instead of posting on /v/, man.

>And if you're going to start talking about fucking "trickle down" economics I'm just going to call you a fucking faggot.
Country growth is what creates jobs and interest from the rest of the world, because they'd want to invest.
If removal of taxes happened, more freedom and growth in common people would be ten times better.

>>713994932
The USD loses power because the government keeps printing money. It's not too hard to understand it.

>>713994992
Why are you so angry that other regions of the world have different laws and rights? You are just fucking wrong and screaming and shitting yourself like a monkey about it.

>>713991304
It's not retroactive. The games of 2030 know from the start they have to play by new rules so they won't cripple themselves from the start.

>>713995010
>because the government keeps printing money
And why is it doing that?

EU is a joke. It's doomed.

>>713994854
>relies on Chinese batteries for some of their cars
grim

>>713995069
It’s more likely that live service games won’t sell directly in the EU. Most steam games are developed in a way where the client already functions like a server.

>>713994754
What mysterious extra work are we talking about here? Your game is definitely going to need bypasses for most of the irrelevant online shit (matchmaking, payments etc) so your devs can work on it anyway. It would be trivial to make sure these can be used by people when designing the game and this shit isn't meant to be retroactive in the first place.

>>713995183
> It would be trivial
How much development experience do you have? Just curious.

>>713995165
>t’s more likely that live service games won’t sell directly in the EU.
I forgot Apple also stopped selling iPhones in the EU
>Most steam games are developed in a way where the client already functions like a server.
Good? What's the issue?

>>713995165
They're just not selling to a market of 400m+ people because they don't want to have an end of life plan?

>>713994737
>"Why won't you think about the economy?"
Don't make get the productivity vs. wages chart.

>>713994607
>read the TOS
You don't fix systemic issues by demanding individual virtue/competence, you fix fucking the system.

>>713995240
It’s hard for Apple to bypass EU controls for their physical goods.
It’s really easy for Genshin Impact to have some jank as payment processor that requires Europeans to access via a VPN.

>>713995119
It's really fucked. The left is hard-censoring the opposition, so it's really doomed. I'm not joking.

>>713989415
>source?
there's literally a leddit thread where a dev says they develop and debug the game on local servers, and that even a shitty hp omen laptop can run it
stop larping you fucking pajeet

>>713994992
>gets btfod
>starts seething immediately

>>713995291
They will just bypass your regulatory systems since it’s fundamentally a digital transaction that can be routed in such a way to skirt the law.

Smaller companies will simply not service the EU because it’s too much to bother with. Large companies won’t have this issue, but do you really want their slop?

>>713994870
>the lack of clear declaration
So, you didn't read the TOS

>>713995292
>You don't fix systemic issues by demanding individual virtue/competence, you fix fucking the system
Lmao
Top b8

>>713994992

>>713995236
10 years, most on it on microservice garbage and I end up isolating services to debug them all the time. If shit's well built it's not a big deal and you have way to mock the rest of the stack anyway. If it's not you deserve whatever bullshit you have to deal with.

>>713995119
Even if all memberstates left and brought back their old currencies tomorrow brussels is majority eurabian and all newropeans will fight under the blue banner to return their union.

Stop Killing Games is the cringiest slogan/title fucking ever. Normies will just laugh at it, including normies in the EU parlament.
It should have been something about "service guarantee" or "software life support"

I've been doing my best to support Stop Killing Games by e-mailing game journalists and calling them nigger lovers and fags under the SKG banner

>>713993427
anon if you feel quizzed by a question to demonstrate what the fuck you're talking about then it's time to think hard if you have any idea in the first place, followed by acknowledging that you don't if you're humble or at least staying quiet if you're a regular sort of online narcissist

you guys should drop the part about giving the server code to the community, that part is retarded

>>713995436
>So, you didn't read the TOS
Don't have to because laws and my rights take priority over them.

>>713995338
>commercial (indie)
Found your issue.

>>713995436
>TOS
lel
I wipe my ass with your tos and so do EU courts. You will cede and if not, you will be made to.

>>713995450
> If shit's well built it's not a big deal
I think you’re lying about your experience because you make such a naive statement like this.

If things were well built we would be in a different world. Sadly, that’s not the reality. A minority of a minority of things are built well.

Slit your dick, spic. Own Iran at their own state mandated game of sissyfication and bimbofication.

>>713995338
>Commercial (india)
And you dare call anyone else a jeet lmfao rossdrones arent sending their best

>>713995419
>because it’s too much to bother with
Why is it too much to bother with though? It's something people can do in 90's tech.

>I hate Liveservice games, I never buy Liveservice games because they're live service
>...which is why I'm voting against this initiative...
>I also hate government over-reach over the common man
>...which is why I never complain when government regulations defend companies over the common man...
>Finally, I think people who spend money on live service games should be punished
>...by having them give money to companies I hate...
You are not talking with real people with real opinions. You are talking with paid jeets, small time devs who think they're temporarily embarrassed big time devs and unpaid jeets who think they're temporarily embarrassed paid jeets.

>>713995507
Which part is that? Because I haven't seen it.

>>713995419
>Smaller companies will simply not service the EU
Or they will make their games like half-life, Diablo II, Age of Empires II, which still work to this day thanks to not suffering from planned obsolescence
Or they'll pull an animal crossing pocket camp or mega man x dive offline and release the game in a way that works offline

>>713994992
Slit your dick, spic. Own Iran at their own state mandated game of sissyfication and bimbofication.

lol, still only 600k?
How many days has it been stuck at 600k? Four days? Five days?

>>713995630
In 90s tech when they had to build these systems from scratch and you needed to understand discrete math to get a pixel to jump across the screen.

Times have changed, boomer.

>>713994572
GDP is one of the most abused statistics in existence

>>713995638
>Tranime
Lol

When the representation of EU is state-sponsored LBGT+ and slogans like "Yes Sweden," you know it's fucked.
The market will go elsewhere, since tax money goes to these state-sponsored organizations, and you put billions of Euros into them.
It's not so hard to know why EU is so shit.

By the way, keep voting green! I'm sure your country will do great by supporting more peace and goodism slogans.

>>713995682
1 day

>>713995706
That it's even easier since we've jumped those hurdles?

>>713995514
>>713995621
>ad-hominem
I accept your concession poojeets

>>713995507
It's just one of the many possible ways to address the issue, but of course the internet immediately jumps to the worst-case strawman.
The whole thing could be avoid by slapping a "valid until 2027" sticker on the box, but I guess that would reveal how little publishers are willing to commit to their products when each game only launches with 1 year support.

>>713995680
>we will travel back in time with the power of EU regulation
Lmao, unlikely. There’s no reason people will start building games from scratch simply because the EU deems it a requirement. That’s a massive burden.

>>713995682
It's gonna drop to 41% at the end of next month though.

>>713995804
>rockman X Dive Offline is a game from the '90s
what the fuck are you smoking you retard shill

>>713994992
>smug and annoying?
Anon was just listing fact. There is nothing smug about listing facts.
>>713995323
>It’s really easy for Genshin Impact to have some jank as payment processor that requires Europeans to access via a VPN.
Untill they get caugh and then they get fined even more. The only reason things are not happening as fast is because the EU is focussing too much of its resources in dealing with Trumps trade war attemps and Russia's war in Ukraine. Still when they get a breather they will turn their gaze towards videogame companies that have been abusing videogamers and trampling our consumer rights. It took them time to deal with Valve and videogame refunds, it took them time to deal with Apple and USB-C. But they will deall with videogame publishers the same way they dealt with other abusive businesses.

>>713995570
B-but you signed it... YOU ACCEPTED MY TOS REEEEEEEEEEEEE I OWN YOU NOW REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP BEING SO SMUG

>>713995597
Most of the stuff like the microservice architecture is figured out early on and it's rare for that to be what's causing the issues, at least in my experience. Most bugs are usually logic faults and poorly designed algorithms.

It's over...

>it would take a billion years and a billion dollars to code in an offline mode and dedicated servers
>except it literally takes no time and effort

>>713995765
It’s easier to build games, which is what contributed to the issues you have with modern games. This is a result of an industry maturing.

>>713995782
Indie games use prepackaged software kits that come with the ability to do local testing as described. That comment just shows the indie developer doesn’t understand the tools he uses to build his games.

>>713995747
Yeah voting is gonna solve things. Enjoying the legal by the way h1b jeets bro?

>>713995638
This initiative just shows how unhinged americans are.
>try to introduce new regulation to make lives better
>"uhh mr. Shekelberg would make 1 less shekel if this passes so I hate it! if I suck him off enough he might give me a raise and then I too will be a part of the 1%!"

>>713995747
The gay tranny Communist EUssrabian caliphate finds new ways to be a complete joke in every manner, lmfao

>>713995919
>EU in a nutshell

>>713995881
> Untill they get caugh and then they get fined even more.
How are they going to get fined? They don’t do business in the EU lol.

>>713995898
Most games aren’t a bundle of microservices. They are often monolithic.

>>713987308
Have you noticed how legal terms sometimes trend in ways of for instance "reasonable doubt"? There's a reason for that

>>713995967
>is an American

>>713995930
zoomers have never experienced this era of gaming, they don't know any better

>>713995930
I am guessing that the people claming that it can't be done are all zoomers who were just born at the end of LAN parties and dedicated servers so they never experienced games like that ever.

It's INSANE how illogical EU is in this one thread.

>>713996021
>How are they going to get fined? They don’t do business in the EU lol.
And they will never be able to again? It's that easy. If a company doesn't wanna do business here — and thinks missing out on a market of rich customers such as the EU isn't worth having an EOS plan they are free to not do business there.

>>713995930
>tfw loved to play El Alamein
Still the best BF game in my mind.

>>713994340
>>713994637
>>713994486
but you can see the effects of this in income and general quality of life.
where the average European middle classer makes $35K almost half of which is taxed and lives in a 500 square foot apartment, the average American makes $60K less than a third of which is taxed and lives in a 2000 square foot house.
Even if you cut out the poorer eastern/southern EU countries it's not a contest. And it gets worse when you consider the very best. Top engineers that make $500K in the US would be lucky to crack $300K even in Switzerland, or $100K in average EU countries.
The gap was not this wide 20 years ago, so I think we can all see the efficacy of Europe's socialist policies.

>>713990229
Yea dude, it was what I was thinking, about how we could milk PirateSoftware after winning.

>>713996021
That's just simply not true but ok
And deploying/distributing a monolith is even easier lol

>>713996173
That's the power of the superiority complex!

>>713996021
Dude, don't you watch the news? Europol just busted a Chinese operation that was importing Chinese crap by avoiding EU regulations. Their connections in Europe are in jail right now. If Genshin are doing something illegal they will get gaught and their balls will get busted.

>>713996220
> And they will never be able to again?
Wym? They would do business in the EU via their EU compliant corp. They just wouldn’t offer the game service in the EU because that exposed them to increased regulatory burden.

Not to mention they can just take crypto and bypass the EU entirely if they really wanted to.

>>713996173
If they weren't so arrogant, you'd have a proper region without this many issues.

>>713995919
me when I can't kill my shovelware kickstarter game that I've been "developing" for 8 years anymore

>>713996173
>sissy so afraid he can't reply to a post
Go visit your local holocaust museum faggot.

>>713996246
Are you asking chatgpt for this? Because reality begs to differ.

>>713996253
Changing a monolith to meet regulatory burden is not a trivial task.
>>713996343
Why are you comparing a physical good to a digital product? I don’t require any corps or offices in the EU to take crypto from a European citizen and giving them access to my servers.

>>713988915
>surely internet is a human right
Access to internet actually already is codified as a fundamental right in the EU charter of human rights. This was decided by the EU Parliament in parliamentary resolution #1987, way back in 2014.

>>713996173
>nooo, you can't just have regulations that prevent mister goldberg from fucking everyone in the ass, that would be illogical!

>>713996409
There it is.
Yep, vote for the next muslim mayor! Surely that'll attract more jobs and fairer rights over the big bad company!

>>713996409
I have. It was depressing.

>>713996246
>get sick in the US
>get fired immediately because no labor rights
>Insuranceshark Co. insurance wont cover your medical bills
>have to sell your house to pay for your medical bills
>b-but GDP

>>713984175
Obviously it is an extremely easy task as they have it already ready, and have the source code. But you are too much of a retard to understand something.

>>713996173
And what is illogical here exactly?
>pay for product
>company says product bad and takes it away
>money stolen

>>713996358
>via their EU compliant corp.
If their compliant corp is compliant there's no issue because it would apply to EU laws you know?

>>713995930
More proof that Zoomers are chronically retarded. They don't get it even when you explain to them. We also played online games made by one programmer with Hamachi, and Tiktok has been as bad as lead poisoning.

>>713996489
That's why there are free wi-fi spots in most cities funded by the EU.

>>713996557
If it were such an easy task more developers would be doing it.

there is a thread
>>>713993620

>>713996173
cope and seethe

>>713996536
>>nooo, you can't just have regulations that prevent mister goldberg from fucking everyone in the ass, that would be illogical!
Are you this fucking retarded? You know what, whatever, you win, anon.
Don't act surprised when Mister Goldberg hikes up prices due to "more tax for the rich."

>>713996549
Average American is also up to his neck in debt whereas people in Europe are much more careful with their finances and are a lot more reluctant to take on debt.

>>713996538
>vote
Of course you did, are your new jeet neighbors based are redpilled like the based maga hat niggers?

>>713995930
OY VEYYYYYYYYYYYY anti-semite. pull this down right this instant!

>>713996604
It's not just spots in the larger cities you have entire city-wide free wifi coverage everywhere.

>>713994870
TRVKE
i don't give a shit about tranny of service, i want to continue playing Titanfall

>>713989323
>Germany takes software licensing fairly seriously.
You mean the country that hosted Usedsoft vs Oracle and which was prepared to give the case to Usedsoft, if not for Oracle's unending filebustering leading to the smaller company running out of resources to continue litigation and had to fold?

That Germany?

>>713996583
The game in question isn’t being sold under that corp. Where’s the confusion?

I don’t want to have to package my server infrastructure for distribution, so I’m not going to legally enter into the EU market. Since my product is a digital good, I’m simply going to allow EU citizens to purchase it outside of the regulatory bounds of their EU.

Sorry!

>>713996682
>are your new jeet neighbors based are redpilled
What?

>>713996613
Most people would rather die than think. In fact, many do.

>>713995510
And yet, when a publisher decides their live service game has reached EOS and pulls the plug, you can't play it anymore. Curious.

>>713995570
You must be American, because anyone who lives under the EU knows how incompetent, ineffective and corrupt they are. This thread is a comedy goldmine. Americans talking about the EU like they're the fucking SAS of consumer rights lmao

>>713996736
Yes that Germany.
>>713996757
So why would they bother thinking in order to follow the EU regulations?

>>713995930
>this one picture makes corpo pajeet piss and shit their pants
grim

Nobody cares about your stupid campaign, you're not even notable journalists

>>713996653
>it's actually true, he really does think that way
jesus christ, americans are the most cucked nation that is, was, and ever will be

stand up for your own rights instead of the rights of your abusers, retard, even not knowing you at all the thought of your pathetic existence is revolting

SKG succeeds
>PirateSoftware becomes a bigger lolcow
>nothing changes for me because I don't buy games
SKG fails
>I get to enjoy melties from games shutting down
>literally nothing changes
I win either way

>>713996745
>The game in question isn’t being sold under that corp. Where’s the confusion?
I don't know where's the issue? If you're compliant you will comply to a potential SKG law.

>I don’t want to have to package my server infrastructure for distribution
You would have to if a SKG law comes to pass or find an alternative to make your game accessible.

>so I’m not going to legally enter into the EU market.
Then don't if you think missing out on it offsets the effort of an EOS plan.

>Since my product is a digital good, I’m simply going to allow EU citizens to purchase it outside of the regulatory bounds of their EU.
And as long as you operate with that company in the EU you will be fined for your violation of a potential SKG law.

>>713996881
Should be posted alongside that hlds image.

>>713996750
Was doing the needful worth it bro? Those based brown jeets will own the cringe brown mudslimes.

>>713996821
I fully agree, Johnny McEuropoor from France state.

>>713996914
>stand up for your own rights instead of the rights of your abusers
YAAAAAAAAAAAAS
You're so fucking powerful, anon! Woop! Go on, shine on! Fist up in the air!

Kill yourself. Jesus.

>>713996948
I’m not complaint because I have no intention of shipping my server infrastructure.
> And as long as you operate with that company in the EU you will be fined for your violation of a potential SKG law.
How are they going to fine me when I’m not incorporated in their domain? Who exactly are they going to fine?

>>713996821
>And yet, when a publisher decides their live service game has reached EOS and pulls the plug, you can't play it anymore. Curious.
Yep and we're trying to change that. What's so hard to understand, Rahjesh?

>>713996985
sorry, i can't hear you from all the billionaire cum you're gargling

>>713997025
>How are they going to fine me when I’m not incorporated in their domain? Who exactly are they going to fine?
In perpetuity with increasing fines every day until you comply making it effectively impossible to enter the EU market again with your company.

>>713997025
They will demand that the distributor that you utilize to spread your software take it down. If they cannot reach you directly they will make sure your products can't reach European customers. Do you seriously think you can outsmart the entirety of the European Union?

>>713996548
I can't even imagine what the phantom foreskin pain feels like when you see the shoes and lampshades.

>>713997119
Who exactly are they fining, friend? Think. You can’t fine an entity that doesn’t exist.

>>713997159
The distributor? It’s my own website. I am my distributor, and I’ll simply not make my steam release available to the EU.

EU customers have to use my website and pay in crypto.

>>713997181
nta, but that mysterious entity isn't getting any cash flow in its direction either, it would need to exist for that

>>713997181
You, your company, your distributor. Are you dumb? You can be fined if you're in america or china or wherever it doesn't matter.

>>713996932
>PirateSoftware becomes a bigger lolcow
this is what I want, that's why I support

>>713997280
Crypto bypasses such concerns.
>>713997293
>you can be fined if you’re in America
And who is going to enforce the fine? America?

>>713997279
>and I’ll simply not make my steam release available to the EU.
Then you also don't have to comply with SKG. What is your problem? If you think missing out on the EU market is a fair deal in exchange for not having an EOS plan that is your good right.

>>713997384
>just convince the mass market to pay in crypto
lmao

>>713997306
>it's brokedickfarms shilling this trash

>>713997409
How am I missing out on the EU market? EU customers can use my website to purchase the game with crypto and download the client directly.

>>713997279
Are you seriously trying to imply that major publishers will switch to the modern equivalent of sending checks in envelopes via postage just to avoid EU regulations? You can do whatever the fuck you want, but the amount of people you will attract to your business will be an absolute pittance compared to the amount you would have had if you just complied with the regulations. Cutting off your nose to spite the face I guess?

>>713992138
Kharkiv soon comrade

>>713996985
Imagine typing this with tears streaming down your face and a trembling lip. You got ratio’d in real life, posted through it, and still couldn’t cook up anything better than a dollar store twitter meltdown. Keep seething, sparkle princess.

>>713997447
Do you think it’s hard to pay in crypto now a days? There’s plenty of services that allow you to buy crypto for online purchases.

>>713997543
Why do you talk about modern publishers? I’m not publishing in the EU.

>>713997469
>How am I missing out on the EU market?
>purchase the game with crypto
Are cryptobros really retarded enough to spend cryptocurrency on some shitass game made by some retard who will never be known by anyone?

>>713997384
>And who is going to enforce the fine? America?
Different issue, nobody is gonna enforce it unless your country works together with the EU. But the fine is not gonna disappear and you will be effectively banned from the EU market.

>>713997638
Are you really this intimidated by a developer accepting crypto as a payment option?

>>713997469
>and download the client directly.
okay, so either they can run the game on their own, thereby your game is by definition compliant with stop killing games, or you're just exposing your server's address to getting shut down

>>713997608
it's not hard to pay, it's hard to get millions of people to bother doing it

>>713996613
You don't understand that it's all greed related. They do things exclusively for money. They even stopped to do the split screen, and that's not rocket science.

>>713989880
>The license is granted to the dev and it cannot transfer to ALL consumers.
It literally can. Microsoft had a license like this for literally two decades, which enabled them to offer an H.264 decoder with Windows. With Windows 11 you have to install it separately, via the MS Store, but they still hold a license to allow them to sub-distribute it to consumers for free.

You know nothing.

>>713997687
>intimidated
I doubt you know what that word means

>>713997469
>EU customers can use my website to purchase the game with crypto and download the client directly
"My illegal operation will do illegal things." Good luck? Don't cry if your site is getting blocked by european ISPs if you are even noteworthy of the attention. Or just have fun with the diminishing small part of the population that will go out of their way to do that.

>>713997684
> and you will be effectively banned from the EU market.
Who cares? I’m bypassing the market and avoiding regulatory burden that will cost me money.

>>713997710
> so either they can run the game on their own
Why do you think allowing them to download the game client is giving them my server code? Stupid lol.

>>713997762
That’s ideological nonsense.

>>713997864
>doesn't know what the word either means
stupid lol

>>713997832
Nice snarky comment, friend. Seems you don’t have much else to offer lol.

>>713997860
> Don't cry if your site is getting blocked by european ISPs
More things that don’t happen. Keep imagining punishments that I may face.

>>713997864
>server code
That's not what "address" means in this case at all, lel. You're a pajeet.

>>713997864
>Who cares? I’m bypassing the market and avoiding regulatory burden that will cost me money.
EU citizens and authorities? You are just creating a black-market. What do you want me to say? Yes you can have illegal operations overseas and use non-standard payment channels and no the EU probably can't shut down your registrar, servers and throw you into jail unless you enter the EU again.

>>713997975
What do you even mean? You don’t seem to understand the argument here.

It’s really easy for live service games to bypass regulatory enforcement. China does it all the time.

>>713993963
The US is unironically the DSP of Sovereign States

>>713989880
>>713997830 (cont.)
All of it is a matter of licensing conditions for the middleware.
If it allows redistribution to users further down the chain, then that's that and the issue is solved.

This has been the norm for open source licenses since forever.
All open source licenses contain a clause that allow redistribution. Some under conditions such as attribution to the original authors. Others more stringent in the derived distribution itself needing to be covered by the same open source license. Etc.
The default state of any license is that redistribution is reserved. Rights are closed until explicitly opened.
(Though in some jurisdictions copyright is weird and this acts reversed. I.e. distribution has to be explicitly forbidden in license.)

>>713997964
>More things that don’t happen. Keep imagining punishments that I may face.
Yeah it's reserved for the big fish. I doubt anyone would care about the 1000 euros a year you'd make from foreign sales using crypto on your personal website.

>>713997989
>You are just creating a black-market
Doesn’t seem to bother Europeans when Algerians do it. What’s the issue?

>>713998069
the only games from china i've ever seen were funneled to me through steam, and brother there was no crypto involved there

>>713989926
Check the average size of a ferret.
Remind you of anything?

>>713998152
Ah so this petition is only meant to apply to AAA devs?

>>713997964
>Seems you don’t have much else to offer lol
Just like you to the EU market, huh?

If live service slop were forced into a crypto black market, that wouldn't just be a win, it would also be hilarious.

>>713998167
Ofc it does but there's neither the resources nor the possibility to go after all of them. And you will most likely not run into any troubles hosting your weird oversea crypto software shop. Is it worth not complying with a potential SKG law to do that instead of entering the EU market legally and using established distribution channels?

>>713997964
The biggest punishment you will face is your business going under because you will have fuck all for profits. Most people are wary of crypto and they will be even more wary of swapping their money to crypto in order to purchase a videogame equivalent of a cat in the bag that has to be obtained in defiance of local laws. This conversation has so far gone down as if you were a fucking kid arguing powerlevels.
>EU will go after your publisher
>I won't use a publisher!
>EU will go after your source of revenue
>I won't use a traditional source of revenue, I will use crypto, take that!
>EU will track down the IP address of your service and petition ISP's to block access to your domain and your services, they will comply
>Uhh, I'll use a hologram!

>>713998263
Who are you, the gatekeeper of the EU market?
>>713998356
>you will have fuck all for profits
Only Europe has consumers?

>>713998254
Who said that?

>>713998421
EU laws don't apply outside of the EU, retard

>>713998454
The fact that it’s only enforceable for big fish who have stake to lose in the market. Doesn’t seem to apply to anyone who doesn’t have existing stake.

>>713998454
The ghost of your grandmother

She has good opinions about games

>>713998421
>Only Europe has consumers?
No but the EU has 450m rich western consumers.

>>713998503
Yep, which is why non EU live service games are just going to come up with a sneaky way to bypass this stuff or simply not offer service in the EU.
Which honestly isn’t too bad of a deal.

>>713998421
We're talking about Euro markets right now. If you can sell your software openly outside of Europe and that is enough to support your business...then why the fuck would you skirt EU regulations and lock yourself out of their market instead of just complying and getting even more money?

>>713998536
This was regarding to legal enforcement and punishment to oversea black-market operations.

>>713998623
Doesn’t matter if accessing that market requires a tithe to the European overlords. Sometimes the juice ain’t worth the squeeze.