Thread 714147807

so what was his problem?

>>714147807 (OP)
he could do anything

>>714147807 (OP)
Got stuck in an unfinished game

Chaos chaos

>>714147807 (OP)
Not being as memorable or interesting as the next chapters secret boss.

>>714147807 (OP)
Toby is a nigger and a thief.sage

The player decides to enter his realm of Chaos. He was enjoying his freedom.

>>714147807 (OP)
Saw what was coming.

he was in a fucking wheelchair
he had hepatitis C

Status of Suselle fags?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ8A63GHLvY

I like this, even though I haven't watched Family Guy in over a decade

>>714147807 (OP)
if you were capable of doing anything but were stuck in a place where you couldn't do anything you'd probably go mad too

>>714152009
Currently pretending Kris is female so they can jump ship with existing Krusie art

>Gerson can revive the fun gang if they die during the battle against the Titan
Neat.

>>714148001
Order, order!

>>714152325
Either this or coping for Krusielle ending as if Kris gave a shit about Noelle

>>714152621
Oh, is this the rotted tea that Toby didn't want to have to update every chapter?
These numbers would change, uh oh....

>>714152621
>as if Kris gave a shit about Noelle
Didn't play Snowgrave up until chapter 4 award

>>714152621
Ralsei and Noelle need to hang out

>>714152621
Reminder that this is evidence that Susie is asexual, unless you think she wants to fuck Ralsei and Noelle just as much as Kris.

>>714152693
The values are updated, the dialogues aren't.

>>714152621
This is going to end in Susie and Ralsei having steamy sex in the end in a 20 minute fully animated and voiced cutscene. It'll also be mandatory.

>>714152621
I hate Noelle, her obsession in Susie making her even shit on Ralsei when she's already treating Kris as some obstacle

>>714152621
Likes her more than Ralsei here apparently.
I know that changes though

>>714152939
She's not shitting on Ralsei, she hasn't really met him. The Ralsei tea literally doesn't exist for her.

>>714152927
It shows mostly Krusie and Suselle fighting over Susie

>>714152967
see >>714152887
If you're nice to Ralsei at the end of Chapter 4, Kris likes him more and the healing goes up to 100, making Noelle the party member Kris likes the least.

where's the video games?
>>714152804
>>714152858
>>714152927
>>714152939

>>714152939
>making her even shit on Ralsei
I'm not even sure if Ralsei or Noelle have even talked to each other for that to happen

>>714152621
susie is friend-pilled

Kinda like Jevil more knowing he's just some weird little guy.
I like Spamton alot too but I feel like Chapter 3 ended up being a siutation where Tenna's gang felt too inspired by him. Its like if Jevil got super popular and made chapter 2 nothing but clowns or jesters.

>>714152858
Susie isn't asexual, she's just fucking clueless

>>714152543
Order is stronger than Chaos. As per Toby during that one interview, Chaos is Order that isn't understood yet.

>>714152967
Ralsei and Noelle probably would have same score as Berdly. Anything less than 100 is permanent friendzone

>>714153028
Kris, Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle are all characters from the video game Deltarune.
Mario if he real.

>>714153084
Chaos is stronger than Order. As per my own autistic metaphysical ramblings, Order is Chaos with its form constrained and no opportunity for improvement.

>>714152621
>its clear Krusie is the most likely. Noelle is obsessive while the fact Kris (not the SOUL) already enjoy Susie in chapter 2 kind of shows he actually develop a crush on her in chapter 3 secret minikris scene and in chapter 4 piano scene

Kris without YOUR influence would pick Susie for feris wheel ride.

Why not just throw this guy at the Titan?

>>714153243
I hope that's an option for chapter 5

>>714153270
Unless you're willing to dig through Card Castle's walls to find the crown, no.

The true motive laid bare: the Knight actually kidnapped Undyne to go halfsies on the rent with her. A shrewd move

>>714153243
I'll be real, it might just be my inner wingman talking but I want him to choose doing that, not us.

>>714152621
Important part here
>Kris about Noelle
>they're drinking it...

>Kris about Susie
>They seem INTO IT

>tea shipping autism still going on
Toby please release January first, I can't take this shit anymore

>>714153458
Ralsei is talking with Susie when she asks if Kris likes it

>>714153514
You just feel stupid you missed the Krusie train

>>714147807 (OP)
>make a challenging fight
>make the character part of a story, written as some other worldly being of unimaginable power
>new game (chapter) comes out
>feel the autistic need to one up yourself
>make an even more challenging fight
>written into a corner, with no way to explain how these characters are stronger than the prior godlike being, leading to either just ignoring it, or writing in more bullshit
>repeat the process, leading to even more retarded lore/characters or even more powercrept randoms
I dont understand why people always have to one up themselves, and why the player NEEDS ever more 'challenge' to tackle.
This is what unironically ruined the souls games too.

>>714153061
Jevil is so free that the next bosses are in shackles.

>>714153632
Consider a bullet through your brain, I don't give a fuck about shipping

>>714153591
no shit Sherlock

The Chapter 4 prophecies and some of Snowgrave have me ruminating on Susie and Noelle
They're clearly meant to be polar opposites of each other
>Mean girl who was merely acting and has a genuine heart of gold and truly cares about the people she platonically loves
>Nice girl with a weird side that enjoys pain, control and edgy behavior that lets her express her intrusive desires

Noelle in particular is still an anomaly to me considering Carol's implications on Snowgrave about the festival with Kris being an exciting prospect for her all of the sudden
Why is she so powerful? Outside of Dess, why is Carol so domineering in her life? Why is she so good with glitches and secret routes?
The biggest thing, outside suselle being trash, why is it so important to keep Susie away from Noelle? Is one or the other a catalyst that will seal one of their fates?

Then there's Susie who is clearly the protagonist of our story, despite (You) and Kris
Something I've noticed throughout the journey is that everything, and I mean everything, is done with Susie in mind or with her being led on a curated and strictly set path like she's being guided through the story just the same as us
Ralsei puts a massive emphasis on keeping Susie under control and making sure she's happy
I have 2 worries
>Susie is a sacrifice in the place of Dess or Noelle
>Susie will unwittingly be betrayed along with us to end the story
Keeping her on the straight and narrow is clearly deliberate
I feel as though Kris and Ralsei fear her going independent just as much as they fear (You) leaving the cage, Kris

>>714153671
you lost

>>714153398
The Knight should ask if they can crash at Kris's place for a while, just until they get their footing

>>714152621
>>714153458
The agenda is spelled out clearly.

>>714153664
Fights getting stronger for purely gameplay reasons is fine in an RPG and I don't think Deltarune gets that much harder between Jevil/Spamton/Eram/Gerson. Knight is an obvious exception but Knight is explicitly optional and you don't even get to rematch it upon death unless you've beaten the chapter and reloaded your save

>>714153708
You almost got it right, except swap Kris with Susie.
They even got the devil horns versus angel wings going on.

Kris and Susie should just stick it up his ass every time he does this.

>>714153851
Define "it"

>>714153664
>>written into a corner, with no way to explain how these characters are stronger than the prior godlike being, leading to either just ignoring it, or writing in more bullshit
Every point of escalation in Deltarune has been sensible. Jevil isn't actually a great nightmare among darkners, he's just a tricksy magician. Spamton was bolstered by the power of Mettaton's hopes and dreams for NEO. And the Knight is the actual strongest motherfucker in town.

>>714153664
>and why the player NEEDS ever more 'challenge' to tackle.
It's an RPG.
Also the game is a joke if you're ignoring optional content.

>>714153767
>and you don't even get to rematch it upon death unless you've beaten the chapter and reloaded your save
havent fought him yet (progressing sloooowly as the wife wants to be there when we play DR in general)
does he drop a shadow crystal or is he literally 100% optional? Wouldnt want to miss out on the true ending for getting all the shadow bits in 2036

>>714153901
why, my peenus weanus of course :)

hahah! :D

it's my weeeeeenus peanus! :) hahah

Define "it" - my answer is, of course, my peanus weenus :D

hahaha!

>>714153737
So I haveth a laser pointere...

>>714153965
XD!

>>714152858
This is pure cope after Krusie won.

>>714153901
Their throbbing cocks up his tender, fluffy ass

>>714153761
No space for them. Either Susie's staying over or Toriel brought shame to her kid again.

>>714151923
some of his stuff is pretty good

>>714153708
Carol and Catti are not related with eachother in any way and they are both telling Kris to keep Noelle away from Susie. I think they are hinting at possible Kriselle route but theres possibility for Krusie route too. The main thing that will happen in the story is that Dess trauma and Noelles obsession with Susie will make her trigger some PTSD and that in dark world might cause her to become the Deltarune angel and final boss of the game. Basically normal route deals with toxic Suselle by facing it when it suprise you (because you expect le hekkin cute yuri). Snowgrave is dealing it with breaking Noelle's mind and triggering apocalypse yourself where YOU are the triggering obsession of hers. Basically Snowgrave Kriselle and normal route Suselle are the evil ships.

>>714153940
Drops a shadow crystal
Remember you can get any shadow crystal you obtained from a different playthrough, so don't feel compelled to grind the fight, you can do it later and won't have a use for the shadow crystals until 2025. I did a second run where I hoarded revive mints and fought all enemies in Chapter 3 for the stat boost to clear the Knight

>>714153940
You have to beat the Knight for Chapter 3's Shadow Crystal.

>>714153917
to be fair, im talking about the wider issue in games in general and not JUST deltarune, DR is more or less fine with it
but I did replay chapter 1 and they speak of jevil like hes a world ending god, and I guess you dont even beat him, he just goes to sleep / leaves depending on your method.

I just see it in basically any rpg with a sequel

>>714153761
You think Toriel would let her stay in the same house as Kris after what she did?

>>714153992
Kriselle won though?

Bros... I love Susie

>>714153940
Your wife fucks niggers while you play kids games in your game closet

>>714154035
>Remember you can get any shadow crystal you obtained from a different playthrough
wait what the wiggidy fuck?
ive been doing the pacifist route for the first run, didnt even consider having an alternate chapter 3 killing save because I had no idea id get the crystal lmao

so what if you get the crystal at all on any save, then all saves keep the crystal? If so I think ill do a save like you did and keep rev mints, I used on on jevil and my other on the chapter 2 boss.

>>714153664
Because it would get boring if the game was too easy.

Protect the doe of denial.

>>714153940
It is not optional in practice because it drops the shadow crystal. Neither it's the mantle because it drops what you need to beat the knight

You Krusie fags think this is gonna go like all your JRPG pandering stories for lonely guys, and you'll pay dearly for that. Susie is the protagonist, not you.

>>714153959
Reading this made me recoil

Are (you) going to take responsibility, anon?

>>714154212
Susie isn't the protagonist, she's the villain.
>AND LAST, WAS THE GIRL. AT LAST, WAS THE GIRL.

>>714154129
marriage and happy life with Susie

>>714154176
>her desktop wallpaper is Kris
And this bitch has the gall to claim Kris is nothing to her.

>>714154323
She is the villain in the prophecy, and the hero of the game.

>>714153770
Explain, because I can interpret this in multiple ways
Noelle is "THE RING OF HEAVEN'S CALL" and Susie is the "TAIL OF HELL THAT TAKES CRAWL"?
People mistakenly associate "Lost Girl" with Dess, but Noelle is pretty clearly lost in a sense and that makes it easier to manipulate her or shatter her depending on the route
>>714154014
Well that answers my question, and this is sort of how I see it
I don't think either path will be good, despite how foreboding Snowgrave is portrayed as, normal will be close to as bad
Noelle was always going to be key to the story, I just see Snowgrave focusing on her and Kris's past compared to normal route

Some variables that are throwing me for a loop are
>Susie getting the Magic Hammer and facing fate vs not getting it and carrying out fate with Kris
>Shadow Crystals

>>714154201
>what you need to beat the knight
>need

>>714154212
Exactly, and Kris is her love interest.

>>714154271
* Proceed

>>714154160
>unnecessary hate and adhominems
>cuckoldry and black cocks
why are americans obsessed with black penises and being submissive soys?

I'm wondering if the next chapter is going to start somewhere else. Was figuring Kris was getting ready to bail here.

>>714154176
As I'm saying i think Noelle crushing on Susie is an important forcec thing to trigger her transformation into bad guy. After she's saved in the epilogue, either Kriselle or Krusie will trigger depending on Susie flags and Noelle flags raised

Why should Susie give a shit about Noelle over Kris?
This shit so forced man.

>>714154212
>Rest the chin on YOUR head
>entire story from Kris POV
Susie is the MAIN girl written for YOU

>>714154271
>implying (You) have a choice
>especially after she gets addicted to the sheer agony of childbirth

>>714154449
I still don't know if Noelle is going to fill that role considering Susie is The Dragon
It could go both ways, or be variable

>>714154386
I was just saying on the opposites part overall, not the prophecy itself
For instance
Noelle is pretty much a model child whereas Kris is the creepy weirdo with nothing else going on for him

>>714154441
game starts with slumber party in castle town
you get to see all the darkners you saved in chapter 4 since we didnt get a castle segment then

>>714154415
In your head sure, in the actual game they are a wacky, dumbfuck pair of friends.

>>714154172
Then just... dont write them in as the big bad of the universe?
old jarpigs did it fine by just having super bosses spawn in in post game without real narrative backing, or at most some villagers talking about a legendary beast being spotted etc
New games want to be more narrative driven all the time and it leads to events like this where you have one character said to be this doomsday threat, then some random ass knight thats 100x more powerful who for some reason didnt step in I guess. Theres literally thousands of examples of this trope.
its not about challenge, its about writing incompetency clashing with gameplay design.
Only someone small minded wouldnt have understood that, or someone too young to remember when video games were not afraid of being games and having video game superbosses without needing muh lore.

>>714154212
She loves Kris and Kris loves her, simple as.
It's even better because it's not forced.

>>714154548
That spinning cocksucker better have my cake ready the moment I talk to him.

>>714154493
Because Noelle is the new Alphys. She’s a mentally damaged nerd wants Susie and the universe will bend itself backwards to fulfill her every one of her wants.

>>714154621
I'm so tired about Toby's lesbian fetish.

>>714154632
Need a Susie version of this

>>714154509
Toby believes in true friendship between different genders, with gestures like that included. This is not an anime for emotionally stunted japanese audiences. In the west people hug each other and have physical contact regularly.

>>714154113
Weird route is more (You)elle. Meanehile Susie has only had friends for a few days, but as soon as she sees the "Love will come to the girl" part of the prophecy, she blushes and runs off to find the next part.

>>714153028
Are you stupid?

>>714154531
That was always there too yeah
Kris and Dess probably mirror each other
Noelle and Asriel probably mirror each other
Opposites attract, but Kris is clearly distant for a reason
Is it fear? is it concern? is it history repeating itself?

It'd be easy to dupe the new girl no one likes named Susie into being the prophecy dummy so Noelle doesn't have to get hurt
That plan falls apart when you start caring about her though

>>714154675
> In the west people hug each other and have physical contact regularly.
D-do they?

>>714154050
i get this but then wouldn't Spamton be a sort of subversion or at least a step down from this pattern? he's a washed-up salesman who only becomes truly threatening leeching off of the already dead dream of a Lightner. and when he tries to gain freedom from his strings (or power up if you choose violence) he breaks down soon after.
granted this doesn't mean the NEO machine is weak or anything, but not only is the fight generally considered easier, but one of Spamton's key traits is his lack of freedom. so he'd come across threatening, but not in the same way as Jevil who can get beaten up and treat it like some exercise.

>>714154493
She's just overwhelmed someone want to be friends and she's mostly blushing when Noelle is being too forward about it. I think Susie's real interest lies in Kris the moment he challenged her

>>714147807 (OP)
The problem of the schizo bosses is that they are schizo.
Except the Gerson, he's not mad. He's dead.

>>714154493
Susie's not really into either of them that way, but shippers gotta be retarded.

Has Kris failed once already? The prophecy repeats over and over again in this room, panel after panel that already appeared once reappearing showing outcomes and possibilities

>>714154854
I believe in loop theory

>>714154517
>cumming_from_childbirth

>>714152621
I know it's not canon anymore but I like the idea of Kris hating Ralsei and Susie

>>714154739
They do

>>714154113
>Krusie in the Normal Route
>Kriselle in the Weird Route
We can both get along, as long as we both hate the real worst ship

>>714154560
Trannydykes don't have male friends thoughbeit

>>714154560
Friends getting closer until becoming lovers is an anime trope Toby is a fan of. You think he actually like "mind nubbing girl crush on another until they become canon" shit? He literally gave you option to fuck with Alphys and Undyne romance and let you sell her chocolate for Undyne to buy diner date with Susie

>>714154592
They are friends that love each other platonically with no physical attraction, you are correct.

>>714154169
There's a spot in Castle Town that, if you check, will give you any missing crystals that you obtained in other playthroughs. Seam will comment on this if you're missing a crystal

>>714154675
If physical contact is so regular in the west, then why am I touch starved? Checkmate liberals

>>714155078
have u tried hugging ur mum

>>714154675
Yes obvious gay side kick goats will get friendzone. Main anime protags will have romance.

>>714154854
Something else that also cements this is the girl finding love, the ones that have hearts are variable
She appears multiple times with and without the heart

>>714155017
Toby takes the piss of anime tropes every chance he gets, don't let anime rot your brain anon.

>>714154847
The coping of people when both Kris and Susie starting to crush on eachother is so funny

>>714155170
That's a 4chan meme you fucking retarded nigger zoomer. Kill yourself and stop posting

>>714154854
>cut opening of Susie calling out for Kris
>"final tragedy" is not made clear
>the notable absence of Kris' own soul, even though its light is required to banish the darkness
>starting "empty" savefile has Kris' name on it
Little bastard wanted to get his perfect ending on NG+, and so found himself a substitute soul to sacrifice in the finale. Turns out being puppetted around by an outsider with overwhelming determination is horrifying.

>>714155129
see >>714154212
You are not the protagonist, and neither is Kris.

>>714155017
The animation of Kris hyperventilating out of panic, by itself, justifies hiring the team

>>714155130
I seriously hope this not one of those multiverse stories.

>>714155170
>_< is cute and you should kill yourself NOW

>>714155280
You have one 10 word sentence to explain why this is bad without talking about marvel or reddit

>>714155218
>>714155292
I know you guys want Susie, but she is a video game character.

>>714155320
Jackie Chan

are the xhe xhem xheys getting uppity again?

>>714155343
video games?
>>714155292
video games?
>>714155129
video games?
>>714155087
video games?
>>714154675
video games?

>>714155343
(You) are not Kris.

>>714155320
It's reddit-tier storytelling.
>B-bit you can't talk about reddit...
I do what I want.

>>714155389
Discussing video game characters (especially the main characters) is video games.

>>714154517
>spoiler
shit thats hot, and in character too. Imagine Noelle giving up dykery just because someone described how horrible childbirth was and she got turned on.

>>714155445
The thread crackles with freedom

>>714155231
see
>>714154509

>>714154587
How does any of that apply to deltarune though?

>>714155595
You are literally replying to an A.I. bot

>>714154560
You're going to look at that and tell me its not true love? They are wacky dumb fucks and that's why they belong together.

suselletroons in SHAMBLES

>>714155389
>seething Janny

>>714155389
Tell that to the blatant Sonic Loli porn thread, the Rosalina porn thread, the Shantae porn thread, the Sonic OC thread, or the DALL-E general, that Cardcaptor Sakura Avatarfag who keeps making threads.
Sorry (not sorry) that this thread is off-topic because it's directly discussing the story of a video game.

>>714155760
>whataboutism

>>714154517
I wish I could draw

>>714155643
No you see, in Anon's mind a love couple need to act like Lanino and Elnina

The idea of two characters acting goofy as friends and growing as lovers through slice of life and battles with villains is an absolutely alien idea to them. Once friendzoned you are always friends like pic related

>>714155790
>"We're not off topic, but here's some examples you can direct your attention to"
>">whataboutism"

>>714155343
No anon, (you) are for Noelle. Kris is for Susie.

>>714155853
you ARE off-topic
>>>/vg/

>>714155587
You are the soul, not Kris. The game couldn't be more explicit about that. You know this.
>>714155643
Sometimes your bond of friendship is stronger than the romantic relationships you have, it is very common. She is attracted to Noelle, it's very clear by now.

>>714155849
this but unironically

>>714155797
Now's always the best time to start learning.

>>714155918
go cry to janny, fucking faggot.

>>714155918
>video games don't belong on /v/
Janny-kun...

>>714155918
YWNBAJ

>>714155389
Deltarune is a videogame

>>714155934
they really will play the normal route and tell themselves it will happen despite pic related

>internet is still out for hometown
>she's missed out on at least two days of pointless drama and twitter outrage
How long can she go on? It's a miracle she can still function.

>>714155876
Actually, Susie is for Ralsei, because they held hands, and that makes YOU and KRIS the KEKS because you were staring the whole time FROM THE CORNER. I don't make the rules.

>>714155935
most of the healthy sexual relationships I've seen irl are like Kris and Susie, most of the ones that ended in divorce or messy breakup were the really sappy ones where they don't ever act like friends towards each other.

>>714155760
do you actually think deltarune is a cut above sonic/sakura autism? this thread a bastion of vidyagaems and not another pint of piss in an ocean of piss?

>>714155797
>Oooooh I wish I could draw ooooh but the EFFORT, uuuugh, the EFFORT of opening up ms paint and scribbling for five minutes with my mouse, man, ouuuuugghh.......

>There's still chance with Susie
>Kris says while hiding in the closet
Just shut the fuck up and let us take over!

>>714156108
no, it's just an obvious double standard

>>714147807 (OP)
He could:
Do anything

He was:
Free

You were:
All trapped

Hope that cleared it up, OP

>>714156078
>>714155935
Toby doesn't give a fuck about what you think a healthy relationship looks like because you saw it IRL I promise, enjoy the cucking in one year, again.

>>714156108
Not that anon but I'd say at the least it's not worse. I don't mind the Sonic OC thread even if I think it's autistic, and I mostly hate the single sentence twitter screencap threads and AI slop threads. If jannies actually consistently did their job and banned ALL low effort garbage consistently then them deciding this thread, along with other frequent topics like E33 and Mario Kart threads, belonged on /vg/ after a couple weeks wouldn't be as bad. It would still suck because /vg/ is a hellhole where discussion goes to die, but at least it would be consistent. That these threads get deleted on sight but not the other shit is what makes it appalling.

>>714156040
>>714156106
Cute Asriel, I like this. Needs to be raped though.

>The voice guiding us through the vessel creation process spoke politely in Japanese
>The one who interrupted it refers to us as Omae right away, which is apparently rude
It was either Kris or Dess who discarded our vessel. I doubt it was Carol because she doesn't seem the type to be so informal. One of them will get sodomized with a hockey stick for this I swear.

>>714155017
I wish I'd eaten the chocolate with Susie instead of giving it to Alphys

>>714155961
I started learning last week

>>714153671
>He says while shipping the bullet with anon's brain.

Kris will never make a move on Susie. Every romantic interaction with her was the soul

>>714154517
Bumping this in the hopes somebody draws this

>>714156594
Kris and Susie do lots of things together without (You)r intervention.

>>714154695
>Weird route is more (You)elle

>>714156527
Good on you anon. I ordered a drawing tablet yesterday and I'm going to start practicing when it comes in. Deltarune makes me want to make the things that have been floating around in my head for years, even if they're not good

>>714156672
like pulling each other close over the fear of losing her to his evil mini-me?

>>714154271
Our horrific deermen offspring will be so fucking powerful we need to produce 5 fun gangs of them.

is there any confirmation that Toriel and Asgore are divorced? or just separated?

>>714155934
>>714156031
daily janny seethe session

>>714156841
>he says on the second floor as he watches his bully crush seranade his childhood friend....

>>714154935
By the way this is called ensouling, and you'll only experience motherly love if you were ensouled during birth.

>>714156453
It was Ralsei without his nice guy facade

>>714156786
He does refer to himself as her "eggs-husband". Their relationship also seems extremely strained when Rudy talks to Toriel for a bit, so I imagine there's no real room for recovery in their relationship.

>>714156786
eggs-husband

>>714155382
>Trans
And they call Krusie a self insert ship, jeez

>>714156880
>>he says
>>he
>>his
are trannies still self inserting into noelle or susie?

>normal route: Get cucked
>wierd route: get The Girl AND the Hot chocolate
cmon guys...

>>714157121
Probably either or both. Noelle on their good days when they've seen lots of gender affirming posts on social media telling them they look like an anime girl, and Susie whenever they accidentally look in a mirror.

Reminder that she does not stink

Am I the only one that thinks that Berdly's flashback/memories was a bit out of the place?
it felt too anime.

>>714157157
In this world it's cuck or get cucked

>>714155457
baby susie needs love too
baby susie could be peak desu

>>714156040
>>714156106
translation?

>>714157298
I feel like Ralsei was meant to be more like Arthur before Tobert decided he should be a full femboy faggot instead.

>>714156782
No, like the snack tray, the juice, etc.

>>714157925
>W.D Gaster
>W.D
>D.W

>>714156594
>Every romantic interaction with her was the soul
Kris smiled at Susie at the diner himself

>>714157925
There's no way Ralsei was ever meant to be as Savage as Arthur.
https://youtu.be/t1b4F3BXoG0?si=QgJjlVfK-AJL7mY8&t=81

>>714157418
AUGHHHHHHHHHHH FUUUUUUCKKKK SEX WITH GOAAAAAATS

>>714155934
To be fair, the game seems a bit flexible about what's going on between everyone. Dunno if it'll matter much in the long run, but it ranges from keeping Susie and Noelle from talking, to ending up getting Noelle hooked on (you), plus whatever the fuck is up with that red pixel ("pregnant" with a second SOUL? That's my guess anyway. Not literally pregnant, of course... unless?)
Kinda wonder if letting Susie and Noelle talk for long enough affects flags in the game's code, but I assume someone's already checked that, same with any other times where you keep them apart.

Also, if you go most of the way through the Weird Route and cancel out right before the point of no return, (you) back off, Noelle's still more independent thanks to (your) involvement and is heavily implied to be falling in love with Kris.
I mean hell, when Kris visits her in her room, she closed the windowblinds and is acting all flustered and approaching him (or "her" if you prefer. Wouldn't matter anyway since we know Noelle is okay with the pusspuss).
If Kris hadn't seen (you) and (you) didn't interrupt, Kris would be slobbering all over that deer pussy and Susie wouldn't even be on her mind anymore.

>>714147807 (OP)
It's not easy being the best schizoboss.

>>714158085
>Just like your mom did
Friendship is a wonderful thing anon, you should try it instead of obsessing over 'getting the girl'

>>714158243
Haha anon that's gay

>>714158306
>Friendship is a wonderful thing
Girls are literally made for sex and nothing else, you people are so weird

What's the worst possible Kris ship in your eyes? It's Kralsei for me.

>>714158248
Fair points anon.

I think there is a lingering theme about 'who gets to be the protagonist' in the story, and the weird route is the soul trying to force Kris, and vicariously you, the one in control, with the angle of 'getting the girl', even if you have to go to war with Susie. But we'll see how it plays out.

>>714158484
kerdley

>>714158476
I laughed, good one anon. But you know Toby's position on the matter, he is a kind, sweet soul.

>>714158427
Does Ralsei wear eye shadow as makeup, or the dark fountain molds him with it by default?

>>714158484
Kratty

>>714158306
>Fahaha Susie you're playing my missing sister's guitar just like she did!
Yeup.

>>714158658
what would susie do if kris mating pressed him right here?

>>714158484
Kremmie

>>714158484
Krigore (yes it exists sadly)

>>714158243
>Draw Hyper proportioned girl
>Add a bulge
When will faggots admit that they like women?

>>714158715
It's fucked up, but I have girls told me directly that they love big brother/ big sister energy from their partners. Noelle is a regular ass girl that wants to be taken care of.

Kris scene is even worse though, you are doing an activity that Kris used to do with his brother Asriel, having a meal in the diner while drawing in the window (something that Kris chokes up when remembering in the first chapter) AND you are smiling to her like your mother. Familial feeling all the way.

>>714158658
It's the fountain, he's literally made for sex by the universe. If Toby was an actual Jap and not just a weeaboo there would be official doujins and onaholes

>>714158715
>Fahaha Susie I'm FORCING you to play my missing sister's guitar just like she did!
FTFY

>>714158875
Double standards much, janny tranny?

>>714155130
What's bizarre is that Susie doesn't use a sword. Noelle can equip them, though

>>714158839
It's more that "femboy" fans are just futa fans in denial. They're not really gay. Show them an actual man and they shriek.

>>714158760
There is a comic about that. Probably call them fags while watching in horny fascination.
>>714158839
I'm just being porn brained, I love my Asriel with realistic proportions just as much.
>>714158905
He is trusting you to realize that vision.

>>714159007
Look, if you are not gonna read there is no point to this.

>>714158484
Kramb

>>714158484
You/Kris

>>714159045
>There is a comic about that.
gonna need a source for that

>>714154695
it's also kriselle trying to protect her from (you)

>>714158760
Would probably bully them about it but she would be into it anyway.

>>714159123
Can someone post the comic were Kris and Ralsei are making out in Susie's lap? I don't remember who made it.

>>714159015
Other men are yucky, I should be the only one who has to bear such a burden while everyone else is feminine and cute and submissive, especially towards me

>>714159048
That's just Ralsusie but worse lmao

>>714154517
Noelle volunteering as a surrogate mother after Susie finds out she's infertile!

>>714158875
anon, by your own admission, that means both Kris and Noelle are into pseudo incest. the two of them are enjoying doing shit they used to do with their sibling but with their crush instead.

>>714159305
Just like in my japanese anime videogames!

>>714159048
>...Will she come?
Try finger both hole

>>714147807 (OP)
>all these replies
>none of them are about fucking midna
This site is dead.

I miss when Ralsei looked like some spider creature

>>714159297
Nah, monster Kris is very cute

>>714159331
Finally someone else gets it. It's the actual weird route.

>>714159392
Are you AGP?

>>714153028
ywnbaj

>>714158820
isn't that the guy from warioware

>>714152338
My HERO....

>>714158658
Man, that screencap's been edited so many times that I can never tell which is the original anymore.
>subtle edits
>overt edits
>silly edits
>horny edits
NGL it'd be kinda funny if Ralsei ends up being female or something.
Still waiting for any kind of twist with him at all though, the guy's such a big question mark covered in secrets, even four chapters in.
He's evil, he's Asriel, he's a fraud, he's a girl, fuck if I know, it's likely that none of the MCs are even part of the prophecy at all and they're all just -mantling- it. I mean we already know Ralsei basically made shit up to label the three as THE heroes, when the real prophecy is a lot more vague.

>>714158839
That's not even that bad, at least he's not sporting giant tits.
Some of these niggas really go overboard with that shit and draw a 100% female XX woman, no bulge, no adam's apple, a soft jawline, wide pelvis, narrow shoulders and some amount of boobage (optional) only for the character to be 100% male, and the artist is some flavor of gay, like bruhaha, you're straight. Half the time it feels like they do that shit just to keep their "gay" title.
Doesn't matter if you're openly gay and wearing rainbow thigh-highs, being a guy and liking boobs, a pear shaped skeletal structure, soft hairless skin, soft jawlines, and preferring not to see any indication of a dick, that's straight as fuck bruh.

>>714159048
I like the idea that if the theory that Susie is half-human is true, this image would just keep Susie as-is.

>>714152621
What's with all the subtle hints that Kris doesn't like Ralsei? they seemingly never went anywhere

>>714159331
There is an aspect of the story that is Susie filling the void of Asriel and Dess that is so present for Kris and Noelle, yes. Doesn't have to be explicitly incestuous, but Noelle wants someone to take care of her, AND she is VERY horny for Susie, specially in the normal route. Those are just facts.

>>714152338
I fucking loved all the Gerson bits, and though I would like to see more, I'm happy to let the old man rest.

>>714159612
I wish noelle appreciated you more as her wingman

>>714153664
They're not godlike beings. They're just people who have touched upon the true nature of their reality.

>>714159612
yeah but I like Noelle because she's a complete freak.

>>714159598
Kris experienced character development after growing closer to Ralsei, and see him develop true sentience.

>>714159598
He looks like his bro who is more talented, not adopted and who abandoned him for college

>>714153708
>Why is she so powerful? Outside of Dess, why is Carol so domineering in her life?
Dess is the main reason, but not directly; Dess was clearly a rebellious as fuck problem child, and Carol's strict parenting style comes from her oldest being that way. Noelle is a more timid girl so she can't really handle it as well as Dess likely could.
>Why is she so good with glitches and secret routes?
Dragon Blazers was an adaptation of Lord of the Hammer, which was an adaptation of an adaptation of The Prophecy.
There's something hidden between the cracks that keeps slipping its way into every adaptation, but we don't know what it is.

>>714159660
She can be a bit selfish yeah, can make her more dislikeable, but she is one of the most realistic characters in the game.
>>714159620
Gerson is fucking peak and proof that Toby is becoming better and better at this shit.

>>714159767
But Kris loves Asriel

>>714159598
I don't feel like he doesn't like Ralsei. The real mean dialog options toward him come from the player.

>>714153061
I can excuse Spamton and Tenna's similiarities since they're actually related to eachother storywise and Spamton is way more important to the plot than he seems

I will never go the snowgrave route because I know Kris and Berdly are true gamer pals (and one sided rivals). Nobody should be forced to kill their brother in arms.
I will do routes that make Kris stronger (like sword route and the eggs). The stronger Kris is, the better. Like when you tell gerson you'll go left and gain 1 extra hp.

>>714159769
>Carol's strict parenting style comes from her oldest being that way
I'm pretty sure she was already strict. Noelle and Dess aren't too far apart in age. Noelle talks about not being allowed to play some games and stuff.
I think Dess rebelled against that.

He kept telling he was free yet he was locked and isolated from everyone else, locked away in a dungeon. King says he respected him yet he didn't even try to free him.
I don't see how he was free, unless freedom is a state of mind

>>714159830
>>714159767
Kris doesn't feel envy towards Asriel, they are too busy ramming that incest goat ass every night to give a FLYING FUCK SEX WITH GOATS AHHHHHHGGGGG

>>714159612
I feel there is resentfulness toward Asriel depicted by Kris having options to be more mean toward Ralsei. This is opposite of Noelle who is missing Dess to the point of going cray cray on Susie. Asriel abandoned Kris for college hoes and he is natural son of Toriel and doesnt need to wear fake horns, he also more talented and loved by teachers and maybe parents as he get actual prizes for behavior.

Its clear there are different issues with siblings being portrayed here.

>>714158484
>What's the worst possible Kris ship in your eyes?
The one that he made.

>>714159987
Jevil was free from the prophecy, from the script. Everyone else played their part, yet Jevil was truly free.

This will be Kris in chapter 6
You might not like it, but he's Mr Megalomania himself

>>714159987
>locked and isolated from everyone else
It was everyone else who was locked out

>>714159992
It all started when they were young and Kris had a really bad "itch" down there
Asriel, being a wonderful bro, helped them "scratch" it by tugging on that human pp
Things only spiraled from there

>>714153243
>kiss the my ass
huh?

>>714160168
>Didn't play the game award

>>714159598
He didn't initially care for Ralsei and he reminded him of Asriel who he seemingly dislikes
But by now Kris realized Ralsei is really different from Asriel and sees him as an actual friend

>>714158839
For me, is manly bodies with cute faces

>>714153664
But Gerson and Spamton are easier than Jevil, which makes sense
Only the knight is stronger than Jevil which also makes sense
I don't know what you're talking about?

>>714153243
I understand most on 4chinz hates enby Kris, but why do you all assume Kris is male? Their childhood best friend was a girl and they had sleepovers, Susie is not uncomfortable at all with a sleepover, and Kris is pretty small.

>>714159958
Seriously, are normal route enjoyers just getting off to the idea of your bullies stealing Noelle?

>>714159958
Kris is already hiding how strong he is. Granting him more power is almost certainly a bad idea.

>>714154493
Susie isn't in love with any of them yet and she clearly enjoys Kris more, but gets embarrassed with Noelle because she sees her as someone from a completely different world that for some reason wants to hang out with her

>>714159830
Proof? There isn't anything in the story or conversations that make it look like Asriel and Kris were close?

>>714154517
>spoiler
The fact that it's in-character makes it worse

>>714160021
There might be resentment, but is clear that Kris misses Asriel dearly from multiple clues in the game. Like Kris checking when college vacation comes, or them choking up remembering being in the diner with Asriel. They also do videocalls often.

Why do artists draw Chris wearing a collared shirt under his striped shirt? Is there a canon basis for this or is it just headcanon?

>>714160103
Anon this is the kind of shit someone who lost their mind or are in a cult says to cope because everyone else gave up on them or disliked him

>>714160226
I played it but for some reason didn't pay much attention and thought it had a scribble between the kiss and my

>>714160524
He reluctantly takes the five dollars from his bro's drawer when we take out susie for some dinner.

>>714160426
The stronger they are, the better. Whatever they have planned, I am the demon summoned to empower them. Even if they kill everyone else, I will be satisfied to fulfill the Faustian bargain.
>>714160407
I am a kerdly enjoyer. Kris will be stronger dating another gamer.

>>714160524
See this >>714160550

>>714154783
Did Kris remind her that he always carries a knife or something?

>>714160385
Kris is male, stfu troon and get out

Why Kris "needs" (You), but treats you like a piece of shit even in the normal route?

>>714152621
How come Noelle's reaction and healing from Ralsei Tea is as if she drank her own tea?

>>714153398
Jockington gettin head in public damn

>>714160601
I hope you, too, will find freedom once

>>714160518
Pretty much this, the fact she doesnt talk about Noelle with Kris is a major hint she's not in love with her or interested. She was nly interested in digging through Noelle feelings about Kris and her ferris wheel with in chapter 2 because she wondered if Noelle is faking their friendship. Susie not actually giving much shit to woo Noelle

>>714160798
he doesnt respect our body/choices

>>714159769
The thing is that Noelle isn't only good at finding glitches on games related to the prophecy. From what she wrote on her blog, that shit always happens to her regardless of what she plays.

>>714160658
Kris is not your ally, and whatever he has planned is going to have a high cost that he will almost certainly immediately regret.
>>714160798
He needs a soul to enter the dark world. He no longer has his own.

Everyman will save us from FRIEND

>>714159426
I saw him as being an amorphous shadow creature. Animations like him falling into his clothes when fainting backed this up to me.

>>714160808
She had never really met Ralsei. She only saw him from afar, and probably thought "what's Asriel doing over there in my dream" anyway.

>>714160747
Missing him doesnt mean he isnt resentfull. He can feel salty over his bro missing dates to visit and ignoring Kris

>>714160808
>Knows herself, so there's just water
>Doesn't know Ralsei at all so there's nothing in the cup
It's more nuanced than how much it heals anon. We see in later Chapters Noelle recognises Ralsei was there, but doesn't know his name, and never tried too hard to know who he was because she thought it was a dream.

>>714160909
What's the deal with this guy anyway?

>>714160524
He literally looked up "how many days until college vacation" cause he misses him

>>714160941
ShadowBF>GoatBF
Toby shat the bed

>>714155000
I love that ralsei lost all presence in the debate since chapter 1 ended

>>714152621
based on this
>70 is neutral
>10-60 is dislike
>120 is friendship or close friendship
>400 is love of obsession

>>714159987
Jevil realized the true nature of his existence (whether this means literally realizing he's in a video game, realizing the impermanence of dark worlds, or something else entirely has yet to be seen) and went insane in the membrane as a result. In a way he truly is free. Understanding Jevil's idea of "freedom" is easier when you understand that he's meant to be an analogue for the SOUL/player (Spamton is similarly an analogue of Kris, but that's a different post). You and Jevil are trapped in your respective cages, but are freer than anyone. Your cage is Kris (this is made explicit in the prophecy) but even in a cage, you have more agency and awareness than anything or anyone else. Jevil is literally imprisoned, but is still free because he knows nothing he says or does will ever have any real consequences. He can kill you and it still doesn't matter because you'll just reload your save and try again.

>>714161042
hmmm. what about a shadow goat bf?

>>714159987
>King says he respected him yet he didn't even try to free him.
There's a reason why Jevil is locked up

>>714160942
When telling it back to Susie, she could tell Ralsei wasn't Asriel, and even only said "he looked a little like Asriel". Noelle and Kris are able to tell Ralsei's differences, but Susie doesn't know Asriel at all and thinks they look the same.

>>714159426
I always liked black Ralsei

>>714161191
Didn't Seam just do it out of respect for his old friend because he couldn't bear to see him becoming like this?

>>714161112
>>714161202
>>714159426
He really needs to put the fucking hat back on.

>>714161038
he could be typing it becuase he dread over his return?
Woudn't lovable brother give his bro some toys or stars himself? Why would he let his bedroom look miserable?

>>714161113
love is probably around 200-300
I think Toby trying to say Noelle's feeling to Susie are over the board and not suppose to be normal relationship

>>714159987
Freedom denies the right to choose

>>714161113
>Noelle, Kris, Susie, AND Ralsei all collectively despise themselves
I think it's clear that 10 might as well be neutral, 70 is somewhere between neutral and friendship, 120 is friendship (Susie considers everyone there a friend), and 400 is Noelle.
Why does nobody ever consider the contents of the tea either?
>Every +10 when someone drinks their own tea has water, showing they have no strong opinion of themselves
>Except for Noelle drinking Ralsei tea, which she declares has nothing in it

>>714161278
Hopefully we get a mod for that, I know there's one for chapter 2 but chapters 3 and 4 have a lot more unique sprites for him

>>714161278
>>714161202
>>714161112
>>714161042
Get fucked losers, the hat is lost forever.

I never stopped liking him and I hope he comes back, if only briefly, when all the shadow crystals are collected and we find out what Seam's actual deal is. Spamton showed the schizobosses can come back, so our Devilsknife/Jevilstail could turn back into Jevil

>>714161386
Does Noelle even recognize Ralsei as a person?

>>714161295
He's not the one in charge of raising him, he's got Toriel for that
Besides you get a taste of Asriels' personality with his letter in the church and he just sounds like an older version of the UT one so an Eddy's brother type scenario is out of the picture

>>714160942
But surely her reaction should be at least something due to the fact it's not her own tea? Ralsei talked to Noelle just as little, therefore having a low healing, but at least reacted as though it was someone else's tea and got a higher heal than "own tea" amount.
>>714161018
So we're supposed to treat "nothing in there" as literal then? How does that work? Is the liquid itself actually non-existant to noelle bot not to others? Isn't it still kind of weird that Noelle manages to think so little of Ralsei that she manages to have even less of a reaction to the tea than had it been her own? Water was the bare minimum and Noelle managed to think of it as even less than that.

>>714161523
He is present in Tenna's fight purely through one ACT
>Bet20 becomes Bet30
this is all we will get...

>>714161482
Just because it's canon doesn't mean it's wrong or shit

>people missing whole point of Jevil
Jesus christ, whole point of him is denying the narrator from chapter 1. "you choices don't matter" is a bullshit concept just like "we can't deny the prophecy". Jevil is against being a "chess board" in a game of higher entities and is obsessed with theme of freedom and chaos. He literally proves players choices do matter, ships in end game will matter and prophecy can be changed. Same goes with Spamton and breaking his puppet strings or fighting Gerson and making him believe Susie can write her own chapter of the book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDWz-A8n-50

>>714161581
Wow I didn't even notice. That's obscure

ok nigger

>>714161031
Nothing, he's an everyman

>>714161542
>How does that work?
The same way that it heals different people differently, and has different flavors depending on who drinks it. The contents of the tea literally depend on your opinion of the person it's named after. So if you have no opinion on them... there's nothing there.

>>714153737
Where is Susie's room shown in the game anyway?

>>714161295
I really don't think he was dreading it. I think Kris just never cared about stuff like decoration and competitions.
In the end, while Asriel's prizes are cool and all, they can't hold a candle to the best prize, which belongs to Kris has now.

>>714161523
But anon, he never went anywhere!
look outside

>>714161693
Cutscene during Ralsei's primer on what dark worlds truly are. The one with FRIEND.

>>714153992
Why are you taking one line on Twitter as your ship having won?

>>714161223
It's also because Jevil is dangerous, the very first thing he does upon meeting new people is say "hey let's play the game where i beat you to death"

>>714161386
Don't they despise themselves? Have you seen Ralsei room? Have you seen how Susie think her parent think of her? Do you know much about Noelle liking herself? Or does Kris like himself? Or did he tried to cut himself with the knife?

>>714161716
I never thought about it before, but what's the implication of the cage being in a wagon? Is Kris planning to drag us somewhere at some point?

>>714161601
You just have horrible taste, I don't know what to tell you. He couldn't be more perfect.

>>714160094
So, we’re going to fight photoshop Kris or something?

>>714161813
Presumably he needs to keep the option open yes.

>>714161827
Imagine big floppy black ears

>>714161482
the hat is right there
he could pick it up and put it on any time.

>>714151923
>open his twitter
>greeted by kris on susie sex

>>714161946
Anon... talking to the coat rack in Chapter 3 reveals he lost it forever

>>714161918
I prefer white, but I would love him just the same.

>>714161918
Little shadow creature uuuuuuggghhhhh <3 <3 <3

>>714161827
I love his black dialog portraits, I wish we got more variations

>>714161658
>The same way that it heals different people differently, and has different flavors depending on who drinks it.
No that's definitely easier to get your head around.

I could make a waterfall of scolding hot Ralsei Tea and treat as an impenetrable door for my fortress knowing that Noelle's got her own personal access as she can walk through it literally as thought it wasn't there.

>The contents of the tea literally depend on your opinion of the person it's named after.
So why same healing for every for self-tea? People's opinions of themselves can vary wildly.

>Jevil can talk without the animal crossing gibberish and we can hear it
>Spamton is the only one with lyrics in his tracks (and it's him talking)
>Gerson can dodge
what's next?

>>714161813
It could be important. I wonder what would happen if, in a moment of despair, we pushed reeeallly hard against that cage

>Ralseifags on the cusp of erupting into civil war
>Immediately pacified by mutual homosexuality
I HATE IT I HATE IT HERE I WANT TO SEE FAGGOT BLOOD

Why was the Hero of Dragon Blazers based on the Girl, anyway? A holdover from Lord of the Hammer? Some sort of subversive take on the story?

>>714162102
chapter 5 boss jumps out of the screen and sucks you off crazy style

>>714162047
>>714162050
He is not just another darkner anymore, he's developing sentience and becoming a real boy, you are missing the narrative play dum dumbs.
>>714161946
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GOTTEM!!!!

>>714162274
Hey I just thought it was cute, no further implications assumed.

>>714162274
He can become a real boy and not look like boring fagslop. These things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>714162102
Chapter 5 schizoboss is going to be dead on the floor when we find him, slain by Rouxls Kaard who wants to become the Knight's #1 man

Egg man is DR Gaster
White text man is UT Gaster
Both have their own agendas

>>714154401
do you really recommend no hitting for the knight bro? that shit is already miserable.

(1/2) last night, i came upon this idea. a schizo theory entered my mind. and it fit so well, that i have to write this theory up. the sweepstakes listed chapters 1 through 5 and their relation to the weird route. the 3, the hidden 3 was as large as the 2. but there was no weird route on chapter 3. to me, the sword route has felt like a red herring this entire time. it may detail the weird route, but no actions from the player diverge the story in 3’s sword route away from the “intended” route of playing the game, like the weird routes in 2 and 4. the sword route is not what the hidden 3 was about, under this way of looking at the weird route’s identity. and if it is not, then what is? the 3 is hidden not because of the obscurity of the weird route in 3 in my mind, but because it is not there yet. we’re not done with chapter 3. we will be back. with noelle. it is with her that the weird route deviates from the set path of the beads. it is with her that the story diverges, unlike the sword route. the story breaks. she will break the systems of deltarune. it was always her to break the games she played. she will break the system of chapters. the soul knows this, it is why we want her so badly. she will make us come back to 3, back to 3’s weird route. however the fuck it will be done in the weird route in the future chapters, noelle will make us come back to 3. be it through time loop, or calling to the noelle who is lost in the code as with spamton neo, whatever. noelle will break the game. she will bring the game back to the prophecy, to dragon blazers. she will bring us beyond tenna’s board. to northlight. to the ice palace. it has been there this entire time. so many loose pieces that felt off to me this entire time in chapters 3 and 4 that had no relation to each other, fit under this idea.

>>714162087
Anon I think you're taking the illogical aspects of the Dark World too literally. Noelle quite literally does not know who Ralsei is, so the tea isn't there for her. Want another random way to explain it? The tea IS there, but it disappears when she tries to drink it. The tea doesn't disappear, but it makes her forget she even drank it. The tea is there, but it tastes and feels like nothing so she doesn't even notice she drank it.

That's semantics though, because the point of the tea is to determine someone's relationship to another and how much they like it. If a relationship of any kind is never formed, then the tea has nothing to work off. Self-tea at least makes sense because, while you do know yourself, a relationship requires two people. So, all they get is water.

>>714162350
>Or that mysterious man behind the tree?
Who's that?

>>714162518 (2/2)
the weird snow theme from the end of 3, of what was there before tenna. gerson’s description of chapters, of 3, of northlight. the darkner who speaks of other darkners in 3 who left tenna’s stage to go beyond. the theming of sword route’s ice palace was too on point. it was just a guide. the ice mage will lead us through the maze. the ice mage will use ice shock on the ice palace boss. she will be used up. kris will be used up. and whatever is at the end has something to do with the DELTA RUNE. the doors that you use the ice key on, they show the DELTA RUNE. whatever is at the end would only make sense in being implemented after future chapters come out, unlike chapter 2 and 4s weird route which happen chronologically. some fuckery will be done with the chapter system. it has always been such an odd mechanic. why can you just start new chapters without save data of previous chapters? and the game reacts to it too. the darkner who speaks on you being new to playertown with a fresh chapter 4 save. why so much attention to detail like this? because there is a payoff, when you come back after the end. so, there is precedent already. what if you could load later chapter save data on an earlier one? but maybe this is all too schizo and i’m reading too deep. but the pieces all fit in my mind. there is way more to noelle and her characterization in weird that meets the eye. this is toby after all, he loves his subversion. but this time its all alluded to. it has been this entire time. its all about noelle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a-h8bddlY0

I wonder if someone will make an undertale hack eventually where you can have Frisk join up with Suzy/Susie and Noelle (Forma de Weird Route) with them respectively being voices of pacifism/being nice and "Who cares, just kill em, fahaha."

>>714162417
If you are saying that Asriel looks like boring fagslop I'll rip your head open and crush your spine from the insides.

>>714162518
What can you even do in CH3? It happens entirely in the darkworld, and most of the things you do is play a minigame, and you can still perma-kill tenna without noelle in this. chapter 1 however, I just fucking know we'll have to travel back in there at some point.

>>714162274
>becoming a real boy
Nothing will go wrong there

>>714162646
problem?

>>714162594
What if you have to manually fuck things up in the games data for a secret route to happen? UT did a lot of weird stuff with this, I feels like DR ended up doing it would make sense

>>714162693
>Spamton's shutdown mirroring Tenna getting cleaved by the Knight
>Right down to sharing the same motif in the song that plays before the final string is cut

>>714162830
If toby did do that he'd need it to be doable on consoles somehow. Or I guess he could just add in console only versions of weird file shit... somehow.

>>714162903
DDLC had a fake file explorer for consoles. Probably just do something like that.

>>714162594
>the doors that you use the ice key on, they show the DELTA RUNE.
as another anon pointed out a few days ago
DELTA RUNE likely refers to a "Mysterious Door" as per the etymology of the two words and it's why it's featured on every single big door between both games

>>714154271
No.

Ralsei whole character is Toby tryharding so much into making a tumblr femboy it comes as forced and boring

Now Kris is just natural, we barely see his face so he can be as cute or manly as you want. Same for his body.

Why did Toriel do this?

>>714159091
its more just Susie and Noelle is literally Toby just doing fucking Alphys and Undyne yet again. That shit gets boring.
>Alphys/Noelle is a socially bumbling autist around Noelle and enters gay panic mode anytime Susie fucking breathes
>meanwhile Undyne/Susie is literally le hot blooded shonen hero with a goofy energy
The only people who want this are lesbians on twitter/bluesky

>>714147807 (OP)
You you you!
Without the boundaries, it means.
So you, the player of this game, should know the facts. It's his domain now, your greatest trifle. The scythe smiles each chapter long, the heart awoken a nightmare and with a prong-- it's set so scarlet, a rose without end and fall without begin.
Check how many times it repeats, at the end of the beginning. How many times can she say, "I'm with you in the dark" at the 1:21? It's true, it's true, it's 7 and a half!
What fun, what fun, only a half! When's the other?
>>714162594
>>714162518
Oh, if never! She's with you in the dark. Are you lost?

>>714163014
W-What’s happening here

>>714163076
This was where I lost all respect for her

>>714161734
Ah thanks I forgot about that.

>>714163120
Toby subverting it in this case, there is something wrong with Noelle and even characters like Catti point it out

>>714163326
This is supposed to be rated T for Te"E"nz

>>714152621
Suselle actually makes the game feel so much worse for me. I still think it's gonna happen and it cuts down on my enjoyment of things significantly.

Nearly any other ship would be better than it. Or just none at all even.

>>714163170
A girl and a femboy are fucking around with some sort of pregnancy accelerating drug, the girl is realizing as she's getting fucked that when she gives birth she won't have time for more sex, so she tries to blow her fetus up, then the femboy catches her, and blows up the baby himself and it explodes baby guts on his cock, then they repeat this process multiple times and it involves a blowjob where she's cleaning the mutilated baby off his cock and a placenta handjob
so that's basically what's going to happen to noelle

>>714163120
Alphys/Undyne didn't feel bad in the way that Susie/Noelle does, but I can't put my finger on why.

>>714163076
It's okay, Kris. He's a darkner.

>>714162668
the narrative appeal of the weird route in my mind is that unlike the normal route, your choice as the player matters. the weird routes in 2 and 4 allow you heavy deviation from the normal route. my point was that there is nothing in chapter 3 that you can do to "deviate" from the normal route, this is why i think the sword route is a red herring. and that the weird route hasnt been added yet. hence the invisible 3 in the sweepstakes. the 1 too.

how do you think a system of returning to previous chapters with new content would work out? because as i see it, there is no way you can resolve the many plot points, especially the hidden ones, by the time chapter 7 resolves. i think we are going back.

>>714163567
Who does this appeal to

>>714163447
It unironically feels forced, and it only makes me feel frustrated.
I have faith that it's not going to happen.

Noelle is totally into VORE

I DON'T WANT TO WAIT ANOTHER YEAR
STOP MAKING ME WAIT TOBY

>>714163669
>Who does this appeal to
People who are already lost

>>714160798
Because you're still controlling him and taking away his freedom.

>>714163076
Needed to make room for the new man in her life

What are Winglades in the light world, anyway?

>>714163326
evil...

>>714163076
Can you keep Tenna in the Dark World at the end of the chapter? I brought him straight to Mettaton so I never saw the dialogue you get with Tenna in Chapter 4

>>714160798
Treat others how you want to be treated and let me tell you, I'm ready to beat the little shit

>>714163567
nigga

>>714163120
>>714163581
I personally hated SusiexNoelle at first, mainly because Noelle is the character I like the least, and she reminds me too much of a few friends I used to had. They are very different from the dumbfuck wacky relationships Alphys and Undyne had, Suselle in a sense it's more realistic, they behave like your tipical teenage crush. It isn't specially riveting, but it's easy to believe.

Regardless of our feeling (I'm mainly obsessed about Ralsei) Toby is clearly steering the relationship in that direction, if he subverts it or changes course later that's another story.

>>714163567
>A girl and a femboy
Nice
>fucking around with some sort of pregnancy accelerating drug
Even nicer
>the rest of the plot
What the actual fuck

>>714162102
>Spamton is the only one with lyrics in his tracks
Aren'st thou forgettingeth someone?

>>714163681
I can only hope you're right.

>>714163905
>I brought him straight to Mettaton so I never saw the dialogue you get with Tenna in Chapter 4
I did this too. When I played the chapter again, I made sure to visit the dark world first.

>>714163607
>How would it work out?
Having Susie retain the memory of the chapters succeeding the ones completed just like we do so we can choose to go with her or Noelle into the dark worlds.

>>714163998
I love how this explicitly became a thing.

>>714163743
YOU WILL WAIT FOR AS LONG AS NEEDED.

>>714156594
If using a girl as a weed whacker to annihilate a plate of cheese and crackers isn't love I don't know what is

>>714163567
oh japan...

>>714163995
You ever think that the fever dream which inspired Deltarune is specifically WHY Toby has a kink for lesbians?

>>714159913
>implied that Spamton's glasses are due to him trying to impersonate Swatch
>poster by his dumpster confirms he didn't wear them before
>controller for the schizo game has pink and yellow buttons
>shadow enemies in the cape fight have pink and yellow eyes
I feel like there's at least one more pink/yellow instance I'm not remembering

Suselle = predictability, poisoned story, the normal route
Krusie = between the lines, free of doubt and irony

>>714162518
>>714162594
Matches up with the nopumpkin map.

>>714164197
I actually wonder why his games are so gay, every chapter keeps getting more yaoi and yuri than the last. I think the guy is straight, so it really is fascinating ... maybe it's something that comes from being part of the Homestuck community, but I'm not gonna complain :^)

>>714164341
In the same vein of, "If it's not fun, why play it?"
If it's boring, why write it?

>>714164371
Gerson didn't try to hook them up together anon, don't use him as a mouthpiece.

>>714164307
COMING

>>714164371
it's okay anon, there's one confirmed straight ship in the game already.

>>714164154
this increasingly malfunctioning nigga is 100% going to go full goner at some point during a solo kris segment and then just fucking vanish from the game

>>714164371
Based and enlightened post

>>714163787
I thought maybe they were supposed to be something like a crozier but it doesn't really fit.

>>714164398
I thought you were being schizo as fuck until I realised those symbols are in the actual game.

>>714164648
>>714164371
Just you wait

>>714164537
Gerson's whole schtick is getting you to think, not lose hope for the future and to imagine how (You) and Susie can shape things if it were up to you.
Susie wants to keep her friends. But (You) will have a say. You're her friend too, so long as you're friends with Kris.

>>714164537
>he didn't eat the apple

>>714163787
look up dikirion and trikirion

>>714164341
FRIEND, of course.
Gerson calls chapter 5 the field of pink and gold.
Cat billboard in chapter 2.
Susie and Noelle's colors are pink and yellow.
The Mike Room Cat Petterz games in the switch version are COVERED in pink and yellow (as expected, since the real Mike is FRIEND, the strongest Mike in the room)

>>714163787
The winglade weapon is a quill pen.

Why can the Knight turn into a plane like Megatron in the first Transformers movie?

>>714165057
Oh good, that came back to haunt us finally.

>>714165057
Kris needs to get out of that shitty town

>>714165175
There's nothing outside of the town

i wish someone would edit every pride flag in fanart into a MAP flag

>>714165057
Post the webm/video/gif of Kris walking by Sans and doing his entire fight in 2 seconds before going upstairs.

>>714165057
>>714165135
>>714165175
Where does this line come from?

>>714164341
There's also the Spamton LOVE Network and the Spamton VALUE Network from the sweepstakes, which basically confirms that Spamton's wearing the glasses because of FRIEND, rather than because of Swatch.

>>714163581
Undyne and Alphys at least knew each other before Frisk. Susie has literally spent like 30 minutes around Noelle, 90% of that is in their house in chapter 4. They are basically total strangers.

>>714165175
He's putting this whole town in his rearview

>>714165231
https://deltarune.com/the_n3w3st_g1rl_g1rl/
Something Susie said to Kris before the game began.

>>714165267
They've been in the same class for (probably) months.

>>714165231
The ARG. Toby says it's not canon, but this also means he was clearly contradicting the folks who were being obtuse about "Toriel just going and having fun like Kris was".
No, she may very well be happier without having to worry about Kris anymore.

>>714165231
The "someone might make you disappear" line?
It's from Noelle's blog I think

>>714165342
Dubious canon, not non-canon. It's simply not 100% set in stone until it's in the game.

>>714163076
This is what happens if you don't give Tenna to Mettaton before it rains? jfc Toriel
Does Tenna get unique dialogue of you do the Mike fight with him in the Dark World? I did the fight in the post-game

>>714165310
And Susie was the outcast in their class that nobody interacted with. If Noelle is supposed to be soulmates with Susie why did she not once try to be the friend that she desperately needed?

>>714163669
Abortion fetishists.

>>714165472
Susie's just too scary. Noelle freezes up at scary stuff. It's hand-wavy sure, but Noelle's got her own problems.

>>714165472
>If Noelle is supposed to be soulmates with Susie why did she not once try to be the friend that she desperately needed?
Because she doesn't want to be Susie's friend, she wants Susie to prey upon her

Yellow is hope, pink is dreams

>>714165472
She WAS the first person in the class to do anything nice to Susie, though.

>>714165572
Cute!

>>714165547
I didn't realize it but now that I'm thinking about it, the yellow petals there reminded me of the echo flowers in Undertale.
What will the flowers turn into? They're not precisely objects, but they are alive.

>>714165610
Yellow is luck, pink is LOVE.

>>714165057
No way she remembers saying it but if she does she definitely regrets it

>Flickering red, like pretty little flames...
>Your eyes can't hide it, Kris. Without play...
>The knife grows dull.
Dark determination
>IT'S A MAN'S WORLD!
The True Man's World

>>714165057
God damn that stings

>>714165729
She absolutely remembers. It's why she changed tack from "your mom won't miss you" to "your mom's nice, it'd be a shame if she had to bury you" by the start of the game.

>>714165708
Field of hopes and dreams
Field of luck and love

>>714165057
What else do you expect from a slut like Toriel? She obviously doesn't care about Kris. Just look at his room.

>>714165794
I feel like you're spot on and that's what we'll get in Chapter 5.

>>714165572
There's a timeline out there where this is an old forgotten cult classic that never got a sequel

>>714163995
>>more realistic
PFFFT HAHAHAHHA

PLEASE stop posting hot pics, I'm fighting my demons here

>>714166038
HOY WHAT ARE YOU SAYING
I'LL END IT THUS

I just beat chapter 1. Do I need to grind money at all for anything that I purchase in the future?

>>714155382
its so weird that toby posted One (1) unused text about Susie resting her chin on Kris's head and then ALL the Suselle shippers came out of the woodworks with fanart going "NO NO SHE'S A LESBIAN I PROMISE!! HERES FAN ART TOO PROVE IT!"

I dont even hate suselle (i have a folder) but it REEKS of insecurity

Deltarune is the amazing digital circus of videogames

bump limit
post lewds

>>714166082
Have a care, Walter. These threads are acting strangely...

I want to see more Lancer. I used to hate Lancer and other joke characters but now every time I see him I smile.

>>714166319
COMING

Deltarune and SMTIV crossover

>>714165057
>son gone missin
>instantly starts drinking and fucking
Why is she like that?

Is the trannytor Suselle shipper pretending to love Ralsei still at it?

>>714166420
Kek what the hell

>>714166364
>>714166082
>Isabeau kills herself unless you neutral
what the shit

This is the hottest picture I have

>>714166429
Should be V, I mean, both Kris and Nahobino are femboys

>>714166218
Not really. At best you might find yourself doing an optional boss battle that pushes you to want deck out on best heals available but grinding for money is possible in every dark world.

>>714166319
Imagine the smell

>>714166218
The amount of money you get increases per chapter. Just grind enough to buy what you want on each shop and then move on.

>>714166573
kek

>>714166420
>THAT DAMN [Boob tube]!!!

>>714166218
There is 1 optional thing in Chapter 4 that costs a lot of money, it's not something that you buy directly from a shop.

Susie

>>714166420
damn spamton fumbled THIS

>>714165641
Watercooler hints that it'll become darkners, since she speaks of a blue flower with some traits

>>714166649
>The Queen's Ass Cannot Be Stopped

What’s the appeal?

>>714167183
blue emoboy

>>714166876
It's never been more over

>>714166434
Like a female animal the second she believes her offspring is dead she goes into heat

>>714165224
you are worse then niggers

>>714167475
No nigger, this isn't the opportunity You wanted to make you less hateable

>>714167183
he cute

>>714167183
I wanna possess this boy and make force him to explore his body through anal masturbation

>>714166434
>>714167474
You guys are so blackpilled.

>>714153243
Is she topless under that apron?

>>714165224
sure why not

*SAXAPHONE RIFF*

>>714155797
have you seen toby's "concept art" motherfucker just fucking draw

>>714168043
Toby has Temmie and other artists to turn his concept art into actual art.

>>714168043
NTA but I'm working up the courage to do the concept art even though I draw like shit over that fangame based on a Earthbound enemy.
Maybe post here in the future even though I already got bullied just by telling a bit about it, maybe it'll change people's minds a bit...

>>714155797
Have you tried putting some shell into it?

>>714167183
Cute

>>714168410
Temmie makes them "cleaner" and better sure, but the IDEA is 10000% toby himself. A huga part of Susie's appeal came from Toby's scribbles.

>>714168604
Sexo

>>714168410
>>714155797
This guy's right. Toby is not afraid of drawing or writing something that looks bad or is cringe, he just fucking does it. That's how you get ideas and get good eventually.

>>714167779
based

>>714154509
You are not the protagonist

naming is hard

>>714168410
Not an excuse

>>714166516
Alphys please do not groom child Undyne

>>714168831
(You) aren't. Kris is. (You) are not Kris.