Thread 714166465

Why did this need six years of development time? You're really telling me they couldn't do it in three?

it needed 3 years of bug fixing

>>714166465 (OP)
it didn't but releasing it sooner would have cannibalized sales of BotW which was still top 3 in sales charts despite being over 5 years old and at full price
Nintendo are jews

>>714166465 (OP)
Nintendo are lazy and spent most of that time doing nothing

>>714166465 (OP)
I have heard Nintendo will sometimes "finish" a game and then just put it on the shelf until the execs/shareholders decided to release it, kind of like what film studios do.

Literal years getting Ultrahand and Rewind working.

>>714166465 (OP)
Of all the games developed during covid, this one came out the best.

Why cant they just have some small team of 40-50 people or whatever just make a small scale OOT/MM type Zelda game?

>>714173750
Grezzo should just be given liberty to pump out a new Zelda every two years. I'd like to see them try one like OoT/MM given their work on the remakes.

>>714166561
>>714173187
those
they spent years making the gimmick work without glitches on a shit underpowered hardware

if switch was a stronger hardware, totk would have been out way sooner

>>714174698
Remaking a game is a vastly different ordeal than creating a game. If you want a glimpse into what GREZZO-led creative efforts look like, try Ever Oasis, the Zelda Multiplayer games or Echoes of Wisdom.
They know how to make saturday morning cartoon slop, and they know how to get a recipe for an already-made-game and start a production to recreate it with new assets and make a nice art-style.

That's what GREZZO is. They don't understand the impetus for the Zelda "magic". The puzzle solving, the dungeon level design nor the sense of "secrets" out in the world.

As much as I hate BotW/TotK at least they sometimes show that they're still made by remnants of the same devs that made Ocarina of Time back in the day. In fact, most of the leadership has been there since Wind Waker.

covid happened

>>714166465 (OP)
Covid and "efficiency of remote work" really paid off, huh?

>>714175267
>if switch was a stronger hardware, totk would have been out way sooner
Maybe, but the ToTK devs knew the limitations of the switch already. It would have only saved a year. Coding physics and interactions with those gimmicks has to be done, one line of code at a time. There is no easy way to make physics work in video games on auto mode. Maybe with Ai in the future, it will come with preset physic actions.

>>714166465 (OP)
>You're really telling me they couldn't do it in three?

Any other development team would take 20 years to make something like TotK. Even more impressive is they did it on a fucking toaster.

>>714175267
I don't think hardware has anything to do with that
If you look in the credits TotK had 3-4 times the "game designers" than BotW did
It may not have resulted in a satisfying experience but they tried hard with a BotW refresh
At some point I thought that the real sequel just couldn't fit on the Switch so they went with this to pad the time until Switch 2 but on closer inspection I think this was actually a serious massive project

>>714166465 (OP)
it'll be out when it's out
.- Shigeru Miyamoto

How did Nintendo not sit down and think "hey this world people poured hundred's of hours is not good to reuse because it won't feel fresh"? You'd have to be clueless to not expect people to grow bored quickly right?

because they wanted to use it as a system seller, retard

>>714177393
You can do this clickbait bullshit with any game.

TotK sold 20+ million and its one of the most acclaimed games of the past 30 years. It's over. Move on. Time to start seething about Donkey Kong.

>>714177393
>Sky empty enough to make SS blush
>Depths is just DUDE INVERTED TERRAIN and has nothing interesting
If they had actually devloped those two areas it would be 10/10.

>>714166465 (OP)
They're just retarded.

>>714177663
I liked the game anon, but it's clear it's the most divisive game since SS among the fandom if even Zelda shills call it a "disappointing masterpiece". Their gamble of trying to make the world feel fresh clearly didn't resonate with everyone. I take it you liked the game too but it's clear despite it's sales it left many wanting.

>>714178428
Also the story is shit.

>>714174698
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_Echoes_of_Wisdom

I like to think covid fucked up some stuff. Maybe a 2021 release was the goal. But at this point, they have no excuse to spend another six years with the next game.

>>714166465 (OP)
i could do it in 4

>>714178910
They said the game was done in 2023 and if you factor COVID the game could have probably come out in 2022. Oh well, at the very least we have a new world next game that's hopefully not another iteration of Hyrule.

>>714178652
I don't want to play as Zelda. Maybe 30 years ago the idea of basic hero story was trite, but the tides turned and these days we never get that anymore so playing as a hero like Link actually feels unique now while every game has you play as a female protag. Really what I think would be good while satisfying the current trend would be having both Link and Zelda be the main characters like Prince of Persia 2008/Portrait of Ruin/Spirit Tracks (but without the dumb train). I had kind of hoped at one point that was what TotK was going to do.

>>714177663
TotK sold because of the massive credit of trust BotW earned

>>714181274
Aonuma however learned the wrong lesson and just attempted to do the same thing again because certainly if people liked BotW and it sold 30 million people would just love doing it again.

>>714178428
>>714178573
Nah, it's hard to know how Nintendo will possibly top TotK.

>make dogshit reskin
>runs like dog dick on a sidewalk
>spend three years making better console to play it
>release broken one first to boost profits
>"Nintendo quality"

>>714181274
>TotK sold because of the massive credit of trust BotW earned

After you seethed and shit yourselves over it for 6 years?

>>714181531
>Aonuma however learned the wrong lesson

Think he messed up? Wish I could fuck up like that.

>>714180815
I thought totk was going to do that. Boy was I disappointed.

>>714166465 (OP)
Peak Zelda.

>>714181752
It had some great scenes like that, but the goat fucking implication part of the story is literally the weirdest shit I have ever seen in a video game.

>>714182640
Seriously ruined the game.

>MM was just one year of development and managed to re-use OOT's assets to make something new and interesting and unique
>TOTK was fucking 6 years of development and ended up being the same exact game as BOTW but with gmod car building added on top

>>714182832
>gmod car building
>you actually can't build anything interesting without first grinding the battery capacity for 20 hours
What were they thinking?

>>714182640
>but the goat fucking implication part of the story is literally the weirdest shit I have ever seen in a video game.

They're not goats bro, they're Zonai.

>>714182979
Shut up furfag.

>>714182832
MM is literally a romhack of OoT with as much polygons as a bag of Doritos. Trying to compare something like that to something the scale and complexity of TotK just kind of exposes how little you understand about game development. You need to be 18 to post here.

>>714182640
>goat fucking
Well by the time Hyrule is founded the goats have died out except for Rauru who's the king of the total population of 2. Somehow. What was he supposed to do, fuck his sister?

>>714166465 (OP)
>Covid
>Fujibayashi introduces massive delays and has issues with communication and confrontation. Stereotypical Japanese employee.
>Aonuma is awful at working with anyone, suggests stupid vague ideas and doesn't listen to his subordinates. Stereotypical bad manager.
>>714176356
>In fact, most of the leadership has been there since Wind Waker.
That's not a good thing.
>>714177663
People gave SS good reviews. Critical reception is almost entirely placative and mostly concerned with wrongthink.
>>714181531
Nah. TotK exists because BotW was a placeholder game. They weren't "doing it again", it's just that they would likely be throwing away a lot of effort if they didn't use their previous work.
>>714182451
Concept art is meant to evoke vibes, not be reference material for screenshots. BotW/TotK do not evoke the same vibes in gameplay as that concept art.
>>714182967
>UI is meant to encourage experimentation
>It's just a long, linear list with some sorting options
Communication issues and a lot of start and stop development.

>>714181752
>don't care about how the master sword you got in botw just broke instantly
>only care about this shitty 2s scene that we had to push in to hide our insistence on avoiding a cool sequel story
This link reaching for zelda part really perfectly captures how lazy they were with totk. BOTH the beginning and ending. it's basically only there to cover up and distract you from all the glaring flaws in the story that happen like seconds before (master sword, health- removing link's arm and zelda turning back into a human, because fuck consequences)... it's fucking TRASH.

Why exactly does that Skitty video get so much attention when it was over a year later after most people like Nerrel or even Zektik put their grievances in video format. Hell, the former was the first one to really call it out.

>>714183213
how about not write him as a goat, you furfag freak?

>>714183373
It's like a quintessential youtube essay autism specimen

>>714183397
>the world has bird people, fish people, rock people, sand nigger people, leaf people but space goats are too much

>>714183373
Because she is woke

>>714183608
As far as being fucked and being the ancestors of royalty? Yes you obstinate furnigger, that is too much.

>>714183256
>People gave SS good reviews. Critical reception is almost entirely placative and mostly concerned with wrongthink.

TotK is currently the highest rated game on metacritic for 2025. Seems like time has been kind to it.

>>714183510
It's odd that "they" claim to "HATE" the game but poured 300 hours into it.

>>714183331
Nah, TotK is a good old fashioned love story between a white heterosexual couple. A rare sight in any media today.

>>714183774
This says otherwise >>714177393

>>714166465 (OP)
Very clearly lays out what they spent their time on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-dPDsLTrTE

>>714183910
>love story between a white heterosexual couple
>woman takes away the house and disappears
So true bestie

>>714166465 (OP)
6 years, 0 dungeons.

>>714173187
>>714176749
And yet it still felt like a cheap rehash with a empty bloated world and shit story. Nintendo didn’t even bother to write it themselves.

>>714184170
See >>714177663

You are the audience for clickbait.

>>714184486
>empty bloated world

>>714184429
Meanwhile...

>>714184670
You haven’t played through the depths or sky that much, have you?

>>714184486
Nintendo doesn't give a shit about stories in their games. Not as much as the autismos running "lore" websites do. They really just don't. It's why game design is the first credit in both games. They make the game first and foremost and come up with some story wrap later.

>>714184357
One then has to wonder if all that effort was misplaced then? Again, I liked the game fine enough but perhaps they should put more love into other portiond of the game, like the depths.

>>714184768
You haven't played through the game that much have you?

>>714184768
I've played through the whole game. It's just funny how you think it's both those at the same time.

>>714184768
The skies are empty and the depths are bloated, yes
>go refight the same bosses over and over again
Wow exciting!

>>714183910
>A rare sight in any media today.
Keep falling for that culture war psyop bullshit that the U.S. empire is trying to distract you with.

>>714184546
Why does TotK have so many more than ER, view wise and likes wise? That should speak volumes no?

>>714183905
Hey, if you are going to spend 70$ on something, you might as well complete it regardless of quality and then look through the game to see what is exactly wrong with it so you can write a detailed review on why it’s bad.

>>714184905
All the best rewards are in the depths.

Huge sidequest with Koga.

Cool locations and challenges like the Lynel colosseum

>>714183774
No one cares about Metacritic and it’s obviously bought and payed shill bullshit.

Why is /v/ still seething about this great game?

>>714183774

Oh I get it now lol

>>714183669
Ok boomer.

>>714166561
How can you introduce so much SPAGHETTI CARBONARA AGLIO E OLIO to a codebase with a few map extensions and like 4 new skills?
I mean, wasn't most of the physics already in Botw?

>>714185218
>No one cares about Metacritic when a game I seethe and shit myself over gets great reviews.

FTFY

>>714166465 (OP)
Should have been Premium DLC: The Game
>Adds the Sky-ruins and Depths
>Wouldn't have to re-do all the shrines
>Wouldn't have to grind all the shrines again
>Wouldn't have to find all the Koroks again

>>714184816
I would have preferred the depths to not entirely light up, instead for each lightroot to act as a sort of beacon so there was still obscured spots. There also should have been something large and nearly unbillable that stalked you from the ceiling that was repelled by the light. Those alone would have fixed the depths for me. Otherwise it's just another place to get around and do some of the quests.
It's not game ruining and you max out the battery with just going from one place to another, killing some of the bosses on the way, having enough spare materials for any autobuild items.

>>714185332
>I mean, wasn't most of the physics already in Botw?
No, it was a lot simpler. It didn't need to track stuff for recall, it didn't have as many unpredictable objects possibly interacting, it was different

>>714184805
Congratulations, you just used the worst Zelda argument: https://youtu.be/aQzORdnaYKs?si=jP40hDwkta3tXOMM

>>714185363
None of thequests, shrines or koroks are the same. You're not redoing anything.

remove the battery limitation or at least make it far more forgiving without having to grind, and the would be much much better

>>714185129
I just drop games I don't like ala Phantom Hourglass or FF16. If one says their entire 300 hours were miserable, they are in denial about actually having some fun or a masochist.

>>714185432
>There also should have been something large and nearly unbillable that stalked you from the ceiling that was repelled by the light.

>>714184486
Depths, sure, but compared to botw its overloaded with content.
Botw was a game with nothing to do, totk was a game with sometimes too much to do

>>714185340
Well I like the Final Fantasy VII Remakes and those got great reviews on Metacritic, are you seething about that? Also FVII rebirth did open world better than TotK did.

>>714185563
My point is you wouldn't have to do all the shrines and koroks again.

They were already a chore in the first game.

>>714185656
Except that TotK was REALLY repetitive. That enemy list is tiny compared to any non botw-esque Zelda games. It's less enemy variety than the original Zelda. The one running on a device less powerful than most modern calculators.

>>714185508
>worst Zelda argument
>to counteract it I'll link a Youtube video because I have no thoughts of my own
For Nintendo game comes first. The very first blurb in that video talks about how they never let scenario limit their creativity. They wanted the game to play like BotW 1.5 so they wrote it like BotW 1.5.

Do you think Aonuma and co. expected that people would grow bored of the same overworld? How do you expect them to overcorrect next entry?

>>714185803
Koroks you get as you go between places. You can ignore 2/3rds of them and still max your inventory. There's no need to specifically grind them, you just take the 5 seconds if you recognise one is nearby.

>>714185630
FF16 was good, actually: https://www-finalfantasywhatever-com.translate.goog/2023/06/final-fantasy-xvi-review.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_sch=http

>>714186074
But you don't really run on the ground as much in TotK because diving from towers is OP

>>714185890
Okay so you didn’t even bother watch the video and all the facts it had to counteract your argument. I have thoughts of my own, I’m just not going to waste time typing out a long winded comment when there is a video that perfectly explains it and gives facts and quotes by the developers themselves that you are too lazy to watch. Cope, Seethe and keep making strawman arguments.

>>714166465 (OP)
It’s worse if you compare it to Xenoblade 3. Xenoblade 3 had more worthwhile content than TOTK even though both were made in the same amount of time. 3 even had a 20 hour DLC story. both games suck though

>>714186283
Coverage of towers is limited and flying everywhere you miss a lot.

>>714185890
Here is a quote for you, straight from Miyamoto’s mouth: “I'd like to go with as little story as possible,' he said. 'I've always felt that the Mario games themselves aren't particularly suited to having a very heavy story.' The Legend of Zelda games, he feels, should have deep storylines but not Mario."

Miyamoto very clearly stated before that he wants Zelda to have a deeper story (until he had a midlife crisis and went full grumpy boomer mode, anyways)

>>714186098
I'm not going to act like it wasn't a well made game, I'm just a turn based (FF4-10, DQ) or big/varied open zone rpg (like Xenoblade) party rpgfag so it wasn't my cup of tea as it scratched neither of those itches.

>>714186074
That's the whole point, and the reason why Hisui gives you a golden turd if you collect them all.

I highly doubt anyone found all the seeds without looking up a guide.

>>714186575
>Coverage of towers is limited
You can literally glide form one end of the map to another

>>714186623
Miyamoto hasn't worked on games in a long time

>>714183213
>What was he supposed to do, fuck his sister?
I mean yeah.

>>714183910
You mean the “love story” where instead of Link and Zelda being the whole game (similar to ST) like TotK SHOULD have been, it just has Zelda separated and shafted into dumb time travel shenanigans to a past that completely contradicts what was said in BotW and gets fridged as dragon that was never seen or referenced in BotW? Not to mention how Raura and Sonia seem to hijack focus from that with the parental thing going on with Zelda.

>love TOTK
>love saints row IV
i am fine with this game formula

>>714187064
I haven't tried crossing the map with just the towers, but there are multiple parts where you would need at least an extra wheel of stamina, protection from the elements and a few other things to actually activate them.
It doesn't avoid that you'll still need to travel the roads between them for caves, quests and whatever else is tucked away. It's no all apparent from the sky.

>>714180815
Hey, EoW still had a better story than TotK did and respected the lore way more and brought back the Triforce, the only thing that was weak was the Zelink romance.

Also, stop getting triggered every time there is a female protagonist: https://youtu.be/xi1zq8hky78?si=7XWdMXlt7aphq0Gd

>>714187753
do you expect even a single person on this site to watch that garbage you just linked? get lost.

>>714186708
Thanks for saying that and not being like the douchebags who hate on XVI just because of contrarianism and nostalgia goggles.

Rank em

>>714187064
>Miyamoto hasn't worked on games in a long time
You point? He is still a producer and holds a lot of power, look at what he did to the Paper Mario games by forcing them to change Sticker Star.

>>714185332
you realize you can watch the gdc talk where they explain in detail why it took so long and even show off a bunch of bugs? what it boils down to is those skills required basically everything to be physics driven. they had a lot of interlocking systems, couldn't fake any of it, and it had to run on the switch's piece of shit cpu, so you can imagine how hard that is

https://youtu.be/N-dPDsLTrTE?t=658

>>714187991
Keep telling yourself that.

>>714188154
TotK is still too high.

>>714188262
Sticker Star was 13 years ago

>>714188489
And then we got Color Splash and Origami King, don’t forget about what Miyamoto did to Four Swords Adventures which was supposed to be a prequel to ALttP but Miyamoto forced them to change it to the confusing mess that it was now.

>>714166465 (OP)
you're asking the wrong question

what they did was difficult and definitely would take a long time. But why the fuck did they spend so much time on making zelda a physics sandbox that you can't even utilize particularly well?

the return on the amount of effort they put in was dumb. no-one wanted zelda to be nuts and bolts

>>714177663
At least Donkey Kong Banaza looks promising. TotK on the other hand was a retconny mess.

>>714177663
>neverknowsbest
didnt that guy have a completely embarrassing meltdown some years ago? i used to like his work until he sperged out

TOTK's story just screams to me that it was something of an after thought. I get that the Zelda Team sometimes puts gameplay first as a priority for the development (only because Miyamoto and Aonuma forces them to), but this is the largest internal development studio at Nintendo, with an enormous budget to work with, and the longest development time in Zelda's history... And this story was the best they could come up with? It's just sad that the most engaging part of the story for TOTK comes in the form of a trailer that released before the actual game ever released. Not to mention how immersion breaking it can be have Link not react to anything. I can project myself onto a character that talks, reacts, and engages with characters around them. What I can't project myself onto is a character that has all the stage presence of a plank of wood.

I don't think TOTK should be considered canonical, it's just a cash-grab whose story doesn't bother to stay coherent with its freaking direct prequel. BOTW ends with Zelda leaving the hook for the sequel, but the guys decided to ignore it completely and tell a new story from scratch, with bizarre contradictions (now in BOTW there were two Zeldas and two master swords all the time), once again rewriting the Hyrule creation myth because apparently these mother effers can't help themselves and with each new game they have to say "actually, everything you've heard before doesn't hold water, Hyrule was created like this... (followed by clichéd garbage involving some powerful race that no one had ever heard of until then)".

>>714189417
what's crazy is that botw already had an unbelievably shitty story, and I thought that one of the easy ways to improve upon botw would be to have better writing, and implementing that writing better in game.

The bar was on the floor and the zelda team grabbed a shovel and tunneled under it, still seems crazy to this day that they somehow managed to do even worse

>>714181925
>MM team has like a year or so and a low budget to get out an OoT sequel
>"SCREW YOU KOIZUMI HOW DARE YOU MAKE UNIQUE WEIRD THING AND THINK OUTSIDE BOX WITH EXTREMELY STRICT DEVELOPMENT TIME AND MONEY NEVER TOUCH ZELDA AGAIN"
>Aonuma was told "no" for the extremely cartoony art style he wanted for WW, he was a dick and snuck it in anyway behind Miyamoto's back until it couldn't be undone, turned out a Zelda game with a troubled development that failed to generate good sales, and proceeded to jam this same artstyle down people's throats for a heckton of games
>"yes this is the guy that should be in charge of the series"
Miyamoto putting Aonuma in charge of the Zelda series is probably the worst thing he's done in the long run for Nintendo.

>put Koizumi, the guy who loves stories, in charge of mario
>put Aonuma, the guy who just wants to run and jump in charge of zelda
>dedicate the rest of your career to pikmin
Miyamoto was truly a “genius”.

>>714189640
I wouldn’t call BotW’s story shitty. BotW has divine beasts named after Ocarina of Time sages, literal artifacts from those eras, entire verses dedicated to heroes of old, etc. At least it was still coherent.

>>714189640
This is why I want Age of Imprisonment to ignore TotK’s “canon”. (If it can even called that) I would just love it if they not only have Link go back too, but to also have the Triforce be in AoI and maybe even explain who the three goddess named dragons actually are, just to see how the TotK apologists will react that a non-canon KT game had a much better story than the most hyped up mainline Zelda with six years of development did.

I am completely fine with them doing the same thing that AoC did for AoI and just make it a what-if instead of following TotK’s “canon” events. (if they can be even called that) Go crazy, have Link go back as well and be together with Zelda like they SHOULD have been in TotK, have the TotK champions AND the BotW champions go back in time as well, that way at least AoI acknowledges BotW’s continuity way more than TotK ever did.
Heck, give LINK the dragon transformation instead of Zelda like it should have been in TotK instead of just retreating (and retconning) BotW and making Zelda go through all that sacrifice bullshit again, which Link would NEVER want his waifu to go through again in the first place.

>>714187328
TotK is a tale about recovering from tragedy. Link fails to save Zelda in the beginning. He is hurting from the trauma. He is haunted by Zelda's ghost everywhere he goes.
Every shrine Link beats, every heart container he gets, it expunges a little bit of the pain from him. He heals.
In the final redemptive dive, he has a chance to save Zelda where he failed before.
It's so fucking satisfying and amazingly kino I don't know how Nintendo will ever top it.

>>714190193
Whatever helps you cope with TotK’s disappointing story when it should have been a Link and Zelda co-op like with ST.

>>714189417
>prequel
Predecessor. Better Call Saul is a prequel cause it's a sequel that takes place beforehand, Breaking Bad is its predecessor.

Autism aside I do agree with you, TOTK's story is a weird mess and it's kind of embarrassing. BOTW's story ends up being better just because it's not a mess, even though on its own it's not very good.

>>714182451
Imagine thinking that these in particular are comparable, I want fromsoftware to help with world design, I want dungeons as big as stormveil castle

>>714190193
totk is obviously a trans allegory about struggling with depression and not doing what your dad told you

>>714189658
It's no wonder post N64 Zelda games can be so divisive. But at the same time some people swear by games like WW, TP or BotW being their favorites so they can't actually be terrible games no?

>>714190193
>recovery from tragedy
but nothing happens in the end, there's no real tragedies or sacrifices, zelda goes back to normal even though they said she couldn't and link recovers his arm even though it was stated that it was beyond saving

>>714190328
Ah, sorry. I will correct that in my notes. But stop being ableist against autism.

>>714190625
Retard can't into allegory.

>>714190715
I'm only hard on you because I love you.

>>714190523
There are no bad Zelda games
Four Heroes style stuff is kinda skippable although gamecube game can be kinda chill, singleplayer games are all at least alright. Yes, even Phantom Hourglass.

>>714190523
TP was pretty decent (even if Zelink was kinda weak in it and Midna stole the spotlight)

>>714190762
Spoken like an abuser.
>>714190797
>There are no bad Zelda games
Besides TotK, Link’s Crossbow training and Triforce Heros say high.

>>714190193
But link already went through that shit in botw, not to mention that this Zelda is a useless shit I don’t care about.

>>714190738
Whatever helps you cope with TotK.

>>714190738
Tragedies shouldn’t be overcome just by reversing them, even Disney doesn’t pull that shit all the time.

>>714191042
>>714191096
Kek homosexuals. If Zelda had a cock you would love it

>>714190997
Who the fuck thinks Link's Crossbow counts as a Zelda game come on

>>714191405
>Everyone who disagrees with me is a homosexual!
You need to stop.

>>714191504
Whatever faggot.

>>714191861
Only a faggot would be this obsessed with faggots. Way to out yourself.

>>714191464
Take into account what Link’s Crossbow training was supposed to be. At one point in development, Link's Crossbow Training was going to be a direct sequel to Twilight Princess, as Miyamoto believed this would allow the project to have a quick turnaround time similar to Majora's Mask. However, the proposed concept for the game was deemed too large in scale to actually this original request, so Miyamoto demanded that all work be scrapped in favor of a spin-off that would take advantage of the Wii Zapper peripheral.

>>714190997
The only BAD Zelda game is Phantom Hourglass. Everything other than that is down to taste.

>>714191997
>No u!

Kek what a fag.

>>714169341
tpbp, this is the only reasonable explanation

>>714191464
Crossbow training was so much fun, i didnt even have the stupid zapper plastic, i picked up a loose disc at a yard sale and obsessed over the western shootouts with bulbins.

>>714192767
>Nintendo are lazy

lolz

>>714183170
>le graphics
And they arent even good, kys

>>714193017
He wasn't talking about graphics. Well done on proving his point.

>>714193091
>polygons
>scale and complexity
Meanwhile if you want a well designed game you have MM over there

The problem is that Tears of the Kingdom tries to leave almost everything relating to Breath of the Wild off the table, so that people still have a reason to go back and buy it. So even though the two games two stories should logically be closely tied to each other, Tears of the Kingdom likes to pretend that they really aren't.

This hurts the story more than anything else, because it kind of forces the writers to tackle things with one armed tied behind their back. For example, it's kind of hard for say, Tulin to have a particularly deep character exploration when he's not allowed to talk about his father or anything relating to BotW besides one blink and you miss it blurb about what happened. The same thing applies to the other Sages as well, at least for the most part.

There's more they could've done with the story, if they were allowed to treat it like a proper continuation of Breath of the Wild. Instead, they're desperately trying to make it into its own independent story that just so happens to share a setting.

It's really TotK that broke away from everything else and just forced its own thing, disregarding even BotW when it wasn't convenient for its new story/set up (Like BotW mentions a cycle of death and rebirth of Ganondorf leading to Calamity Ganon, and yet that doesn't even have space to exist in TotK's story!).

>>714193569
Secret stone?

Riju's vagina...

>>714193569
they really shouldve put the game in a new setting a la mm, but i dont think they had the time to do that on top of everything else. shrug

>>714193880
158thpostbestpost

>>714193569
Yeah this is my one gripe with the game and logically there's zero reason why they shouldn't have tied it more to the story of BOTW

>Donkey Kong Bananza previews are extremely positive
>instantly another seethe thread about a 2 year old game
Like clockwork. How are you taking the famitsu assraping?

>>714197374
The difference is that Banaza seems to be more like Mario Odyssey, which didn’t bait and switch the players, nor did we had to wait SIX YEARS for with a misleading teaser trailer that was more interesting than the actual game itself. TotK clickbaited us on a lot of stuff.

>>714198072
>IMG_
>Reddit Image
I cannot tell you to go back harder

>>714197374
At least Banaza is keeping it’s main male and female protagonist together the whole game, unlike what TotK did with Link and Zelda.

>>714166465 (OP)
>Why did this need six years of development time? You're really telling me they couldn't do it in three?
They did do it in three. They do work on other games you know and we know it didn't go into full development until 2019.

>>714198236
Keep seething about where the image came from and completely missing the point of the meme.

>>714198072
>TotK clickbaited us on a lot of stuff.
On fucking what?

>>714198346
And they still wasted all that time on the ultrahand gimmick instead of making a bigger enemy roster, Link and Zelda co-op, better side quests and an actual good story.

>>714198435
Look at the freaking image, anon >>714198072

They also fooled us into thinking that TotK Ganondorf was going to be Ganondorf from OoT/TP as the original mural in the first trailer showed, instead of a new ganondorf that contradicts what was said about calamity ganon in BotW. Or that Link and Zelda were going to he together the whole game.

>>714198746
>Or that Link and Zelda were going to he together the whole game.
Frankly that was just immense wishful thinking.
After how Skyward Sword treated its Zelda, a knight apprentice, you should hardly have expected anything else from Aonuma.

>>714198962
At least Spirit Tracks did it.
>you should hardly have expected anything else from Aonuma.
Oh I have a lot to say about Aonuma: >>714189658

He doesn’t have the right mind set for the Zelda series, and TotK shows that most of all.

>>714198746
So in other words they didn't do any kind of baiting and you just convinced yourself that they did because of a single reddit post from a person who felt the same.

Tears of the Kingdom is a great game, and BotW was already amazing.

Which is more divisive?

>>714201262
Totk,

Breath of the wild increased the zelda fanbase size by like 10x. So while there were plenty of complaints about skyward sword it was mostly normal discussion and not endless shitposting.

>>714201262
Totk isn't really divisive sure it has shitposters but fans are generally accepting of it.
SS on the other hand, you have the group of fans who hated it on Wii and then you have the group of fans that played the improved switch version so some literally only know it as a better game than it was then.

>>714201262
One of the two has fun gameplay and mechanics

>>714201262
For me, they're about on par with one another. As in, neither of them were worth finishing.
They are the only Zelda games I feel this way about.

this has gotta be one of the chillest 3d zelda threads in years, even if there are still a couple of shitposters

i don't think totk is a masterpiece, but i don't think it's a disappointment either. a middle of the road tier zelda for me.

I heard a critique of Totk saying it was troublingly" confused. What does that even mean? It knew exactly what it wanted to be....an open sandbox game where you could do almost anything you wanted, even break to dungeons. There's nothing "confused" there.

>>714203281
>open sandbox game
>gatekeeps building behind hours of battery farming
>attempts to gatekeep an open world segment (thunderstorm above Faron) behind nearly the entire story (unsuccessfully)
yeah sure man

>>714203281
>What does that even mean?
If they don't follow it up with something that makes sense it means absolutely nothing.
Then you have people like this. >>714203806
Who say contradictory statements like this.
>>attempts to gatekeep an open world segment (thunderstorm above Faron) behind nearly the entire story (unsuccessfully)

Why do the moderators and jannies let this guy create 3 or 4 threads about this game every day?
He changes the title every time so you can't filter them out.
He's not interested in talking about the game, he just creates generic threads with no meaningful criticism, just to keep Nintendo's game in users' minds, a game that no one would remember existed if it weren't for this guy.
The sons of bitches who immediately killed any thread on topic about video game culture when it contained bad words (Sweet Baby, for example) let a single autistic person pollute the threads forever.
What is the intention here? I don't understand.

>>714174698
EoW was garbage

>>714203806
That's not being "confused" though. It's literally just hands off approach game. If you wanna grind? Grind. If you want to ignore large story segments? Ignore them. You can say this approach isn't ones preference but it's not "confused".

>>714204130
I think people mean that you have all this building tech but the game doesn't force you to use it and allows you to break much of the games design. But again, that's more about not giving a shit about cohesion and more about "yeah, break this game as much as you want. Have fun!"