Is there actually any legitimate argument against it being the greatest game of all time?

>>714228440 (OP)
the level design not working with the camera
the framerate
storyfag game
i still rate 6/10

>>714228440 (OP)
too much menuing for camos, food, equipment and injuries. Injuries being especially egregious because they could've made it so you need to actually risk tending to an injury mid fight, which would make the choice to stay injured or to heal much more interesting. instead you just pause time and perform brain surgery ezpz.

yea, my only complaint too was survival stuff was undercooked

>>714228440 (OP)
It's not even the greatest game of its era since re4 came out 2 months after mgs3

>>714228617
>i still rate 6/10
shut the fuck up and kys zoomer

Yeah, plenty. It's a great game, though.
My biggest gripe is the "pause-to-change camouflage" stealth. Pausing breaks up the flow of the gameplay and it's stupid. Stealth was much more fun in 2, which is a game I like less. 4 didn't do it any better though, with it's auto-camo.

>>714228440 (OP)
Too much fucking pointless survival menu bullshit and tedium. Lot of bosses and levels are kinda forgettable, feels kinda too slow in general compared to the games before and after

>>714228440 (OP)
>stealth game
>movie game
>being the greatest game of all time
Are you retarded?

>>714229415
I'm a zoomer and even i think that anon should kill himself

>>714228440 (OP)
It has the same appeal as shit like Baldur's Gate 3, where the majority of the praise is for inconsequential bullshit.
>DID YOU KNOW THAT THE END CAN HECKIN DIE OF OLD AGE
>DID YOU KNOW THAT KARLACH HAS HIDDEN DIALOGUE IF YOU PURPOSEFULLY PLAY LIKE A RETARD
All of which is worthless trivia that doesn't matter to people who are honestly engaging with the game, but it creates this culture of "it MUST be the best game ever because the devs planned for every single absurd scenario!" when all it indicates is that the development cycle was way too long.

MGS3 is great, don't get me wrong, but 90% of the reasons why people fellate it as the best game ever is because of that crap.

>>714230447
sounds like you're just unwilling to engage with the sandbox and are mad when other people do and enjoy it

>>714230341
>movie game
you are a muttoid zoomer

>>714229013
bitch

People that complain about the camos and other menus are gay. It's just a difficulty adjuster. You don't have to do it, especially if you're good at the game. :)

>>714232531
>engaging with mechanics is a difficulty option
begone, soulstoddler

>>714232724
Stopping every 2 seconds to adjust your camo to be optimal is a self-enforced difficulty option.
You wouldn't need to if you were a sneaky nigga.
Mad cuz bad.

>>714228440 (OP)
Yeah, it's not Resident Evil 4.

>>714228440 (OP)
uh the gameplay....

>>714228440 (OP)
Problem with MGS3 is that it's a vibes game.
MGS2 is a mechanical game, you use the level design and the full extent of the mechanics to traverse the environment efficiently.
MGS3 is an experiential game, you're trying to get into the role of the stalker turning the jungle against the guards and the mechanics are more in service of this roleplaying experience than efficiency - this is why stuff like the menu usage doesn't really matter since it simulates the time it'd take for you in that situation to get yourself fixed up, it adds nothing to the game mechanically but it does add to the experience.
Some people will love that kind of thing but a lot of people might also prefer the MGS2 approach, so MGS3 will never really satisfy them fully.

it's a top tier game but it's not even the best game in its series (mgs1), nor is it the best game from the year it came out (fable, world of warcraft, burnout 3 takedown)

sneaky games are for pussy fucking virgin losers PERIOD. Real men don't sneak

>>714232531
90% of the time you're fine with a generalist camo for that area. Max camo index is only needed if you expect a guard to walk right over you or something. You shouldn't let yourself get in that situation in the first place.

>>714228440 (OP)
Subsistence is pretty much the perfect game imo. It's been my #1 game for almost two decades now

>>714233073
>Stopping every 2 seconds to adjust your camo to be optimal is a self-enforced difficulty option.
No one is that fucking retarded, no one, the opinion of autististic people is of no consequence.

i can't even imagine a retard actually putting the brick camo when sliding trough a wall, that's just being a dumbfuck retard.

>>714233278

>>714228440 (OP)
David Hayter sucks as a VA and constantly having to pause to be able to do shit breaks the pacing. 4/10

>>714228440 (OP)
It's a good game and one of the better written MGS games, but it still has some flaws.

The ending is weird. Boss' whole speech regarding a unified world means nothing because she's still serving the US, and apparently Big Boss knows this, but then still tries to fulfill she didn't actually want?

Also, wasn't the whole point that Russia allowed this operation to happen because they wanted the Boss' body to confirm she's dead? Well, they have no way of proving that the Boss is dead because of the bombing run that happens after the boss battle.

>>714233215
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egLjM139ms

Kill yourself you stupid zoomer retard

>>714233510
I'm pretty sure there would still be a corpse to examine. Dental records were a thing even back then.

>>714228440 (OP)
This have better gameplay, camera and vibe, the only thing the mgs have on splinter cell is the story

>>714233510
Ocelot is "working" for the Russians and he's there at the end, so he confirms her death along with whoever picks him up before he gets blown up.

>>714228440 (OP)
KUWABARA!
KUWABARA!

>>714228617
Substance corrected those.
>noo it doesnt count different game
ur ghey

>>714233724
Ocelot doesn't have her body either and wasn't there at the fight. Not even a scene of him watching from a distance. Maybe the remake can fix that.

>>714233684
From a bombing run from MIGs? They'd have to find her teeth about 5 miles away from where they actually had their fight.

>>714233816
>Substance corrected
Subsistence. And I like how every compares only the most recent entry to scrutiny, but every single time someone praises DmC from Ninja Theory, they always jump back to the vanilla release for gameplay discussions.

>>714233642
This is not how you or 99% of this game's players play it, be honest with yourself.
MGS3 is not a good game because you can abuse its mechanics to kill a bunch of people in cool ways, in fact there's really no benefit to playing the game like this other than your own self satisfaction with abusing its mechanics - which is fine, but hardly indicative of what an average playthrough looks like.

>>714233997
retard

>>714234081
Believe it or not a game has to be judged beyond how it serves the highest skill ceiling.

>>714234312
retard

>>714233717
Only if you prefer exaggerated anime tropes to a realistic narrative and cast.

>>714228440 (OP)
Super easy to break the game with camo and tranq gun.

It was my favourite stealth game until i played tlou2

Now i think metal gear games are tranquiilzer simulators

>>714232531
This is also true. Some would say it’s subjective, but I think it’s more immersive to set your camouflage once and try to make do with it, hiding behind environmental things and trying to find the spots that your camo is good at blending into.

>>714234510
>tlou2
i don't consider tlou2 a stealth game, it's more of a puzzle game. Yeah i know it sounds weird but whatever.

>>714230847
>25 minute cutscene
>not a movie
>gameplay is brief boring shit between cutscenes
K

MGS2 is better.

>>714230447
The difference is the little details add up whereas in BG3 thats all there is. MGS3 is perfect on all fronts, gameplay story characters graphics etc, you can point at something major or inconsequential and it lights you up. BG3 is a good rpg but really those little details are all that really get people going.

>>714233717
Was shocked at how boring these games were when I finally got around to them.

I could never suspend my disbelief that a woman is throwing around big boss like a rag doll without any obvious magical powers like the other villians have. I also didn't give a fuck about that bitch and the story is so fucking cringe right off the bat.
>he hasn't found his e m o t i o n
The fuck is this shit writing? Gay. It only gets worse with her at the end, the middle of the game is much less gay but the gameplay is not very compelling.

>>714228440 (OP)
It's fantastic, but some of the survival aspects grate a bit. The healing is cool for a bit but it becomes tedious once you understand how it works and need to click on the same 4 items every time. Same with the camo, there's no real thinking behind which camo to use, just scroll through the menu until you find the one with the highest number.

I feel like MGS2 has the best overall balance of the more arcadey flow of earlier Metal Gear games and the really involved, immersive sim-esque stuff that defined the series from MGS3 onward. But MGS3 definitely has the best maps in the series, and it's also the only MGS game with a story that's just straightforwardly good instead of la creatividad galaxy brain good.

>>714230713
>sandbox
Half the little cutesie shit is so unintuitive you wouldn't even think to attempt without already knowing about it.

>>714233278
>pussy fucking virgin

1) There are not too many areas and even the variety isn't that great.

2) CQC is repetitive and a cheap and easy way to beat enemies.

3) The End's sniper duel is not real sniping... Once you get his pattern it's piss easy.

4) Besides the End none of the Cobra bosses are interesting. I tried liking the flamethrower guy but he was a literal nobody.

the gameplay is terrible

Beyond the overlong and badly written cutscenes, the thing I really hate about MGS2 and 3 is that moving and shooting is needlessly inconvenient. It's like operating a forklift rather than a special operative. I completed a no kill, no alert run of each game, so I speak from experience. 4 corrected every issue in that regard but that game is atrocious so it doesn't mean much overall.

>>714228440 (OP)
Its game design is somewhat stuck in an awkward position between MGS2 and MGS4 where it uses the controls and engine that were better suited in the former but mechanics that were better in the latter. MGS2 boasts better enemy AI, boss fights and level design while MGS4 has the better camo system and CQC. It was a transitional game stuck on hardware too weak for it to realize its full potential of that being a sprawling stealth survival game.

>>714238226
>MGS2
>better boss fights
I think they all suck pretty hard, lots of waiting or repetition, and dead cell are just boring characters for the most part
don't forget the ray fight on harder difficulties too

>>714233130
Not even the best re game which is REmake

Why are all Kojima games so kino, bros?

>>714238383
Hadly. Mgs2 boss dights are really bad

>russian soldiers enounter=good
>fatman=good
>fortune=worst fight in the series
>vamp=bad
>harrier=really good
>Rex=best in the game
>solidus =bad
>olga=bad

>Ocelot=really good
>the pain=bad
>thr fear=good
>The fury=good
>The end=the best in game
>Boss=really good
>Volgin=good
>shagohod=bad
>the sorrow=bad

>>714238383
Only Fortune requires a lot of waiting and yeah the Ray fight on EE can be repetitive but the rest are very dynamic. Olga will use the environment against you, Fatman has you freezing bombs all across the arena, Harrier takes place in a very tight arena and Vamp pushes your first person aiming skills to the max. Solidus is a neat fight too but more of a victory lap.

>>714237006
>masterpiece is actually shit because these retarded autistic nitpicks
Throat. Slit. Please.

The story sucks