Microsoft is basically dead (has been but people pretend that there is still a chance) with them out who will take the top spot, and how will this change the landscape of the industry?
The things to look out for is how the console market shifts and who becomes top dog, and how third parties (especially the Jap ones) will act. Will they try to pick sides, or will they just go along with things? Back in the day they could shift market forces and actually get people to buy consoles now I don't see that being the case, but I could be wrong.

Nintendo is already raising prices as a sign of their monopoly. Snoy is as dead as California, and Xbox is firing 9000 employees as we speak.
I think the answer is obvious.

>>714292751 (OP)
It's just Nintendo, PlayStation is next. The future of gaming is Nintendo and Valve.

>>714292751 (OP)
Sony is dead already.

>>714294663
Among all the misguided nonsense that has happened in this industry, Sony doing that live service push and buying Bungie has to be right up there. The bad thing for Sony is the failures are not over yet. This live service initiative shit has a few bombs left before it completely dies.

>>714293694
>Nintendo is already raising prices
*in Canada only

>>714295226
are you not entertained?

>>714292751 (OP)
Nothing will change. Xbox was already dead.

>>714295759
I am. Entertaining implosions like this only happen a few times.

>>714292751 (OP)
Playstation has GTA 6. And Xbox is dead pretty much as of today. That is the ace card to anything that Nintendo thinks they have. GTA 6 will be bigger than pretty much all Nintendo games combined.

Nintendo will still be alive fifty years from now. Take a look into their history. They created all the trends in which everyone else follows. Their games and IP are usually quality with pure gameplay that doesn’t waste the player’s time. Their games are shorter and unbloated without open world slop checklists or movie gameplay. Nintendo games have the least wasted moments. They are enjoyable and fun to play.

>>714297348
xbox is getting GTA6 too, what is this cope

>>714292751 (OP)
playstation can't seem to make games, and nintendo are struggling to make games too. Both companies haven't even been able to make a game to go with their new console launches, which is crazy. xbox are even worse, they haven't made a game in over a decade

I don't know how every company forgot how to make games, but it's not a big deal really. There are still plenty of neat indies coming out

>>714297730
Like I said, Xbox is pretty much dead.

>>714297814
howso? MS isnt going under any time soon

>>714292751 (OP)
I would say it's obviously Nintendo but it's confusing how Switch 2 didn't have enough launch titles considering they've been sitting on release for a while.

>>714297892
I think nintendo have the same problem every other company seems to have. They've all lost the ability to make games in anything resembling a timely manner

>>714297892
Nintendo would have absolutely been in hot water right now if their competitors hadn't shit the bed harder.

>>714298050
>revenue

>>714292751 (OP)
Nintendo and Valve won

>>714295383
There’s no way Nintendo isn’t pricegouging NSO for the rest of the world. Wait until the next mainline Pokemon and Splatoon Drop.

>>714295383
*so far

>>714298275
>There’s no way Nintendo isn’t pricegouging NSO for the rest of the world

>>714298050
You're doing the 'Revenue' thing again.

>>714297859
Xbox arent selling hardly at all.

>>714297348
Wonder how things would play out if GTA6 was somehow brute forced onto Switch 2. It would be funny watching that shit show.

>>714298169
>>714298412
Revenue shows popularity of what the average person uses, profits mean nothing in this discussion

>>714298354
Honestly the subscription is quite expensive if you want it to be worth it.

>>714292751 (OP)
in /v/: nintendo
in real life: playstation
Also Nintendo will continue to survive as long as menchildrenism exists and we all know that menchildrenism will never cease to exist because it is a natural human disorder like schizophrenia or homosexuality. Only when science can cure menchildrenism then Nintendo will lose all its loyal customers.

>>714298571
so youre bragging about children buying fortnite skins and browns buying fifa packs?

>>714298571
I'll be hoenst with you, that picture has never been used in good faith.

>>714298535
what does that say about sony?

>>714298810
PS5 has outsold the X/S combined by over double and the PS5 is their most profitable console ever

>>714298676
Statements like these are proof Nintendo is winning IRL as well. You didn't see people having autistic fits about the Wii-U because it was an obvious flop, but the Switch 2? It's going to be the last console left on the market once Sony dies this gen.

>>714298908
sold less than the PS4, has 1 game to its name, and theyve gone on record stating theyre not focusinging on unit sales

>>714298949
>t.

>>714299004
You do realize that the PS5 lifespan isnt even through yet and it will likely outsellf or at least tie the PS4 right? The same fucking thing about having 1 game could be said about the Switch 2 as well. Literally one game and its Mario Kart World. Thats just the way consoles are going. A few exclusives and a lot of timed ones.

>>714299143
>a console thats been out for 1 month
>a console thats been out for 5 years and ports all its games over to MS's PC system

>>714297859
Xbox will become Microsoft Gaming starting next year, it's over. Xbox is dead and PlayStation will follow in 2027 and beyond. Nintendo and Valve are the future of gaming.

>>714297814
If a third party game that will be available in all consoles except Nintendo is Sony's big trump, it's also dead.

if the corpos have it their way most large game development will dead within a decade
you'll be served bespoke experiences by msft, google and openai.
you'll pay by the minute and you'll be happy.

>>714298050
Why isn't the revenue saving PlayStation and Xbox from massive layoffs?

>now he's resorting to revenue from gacha whales
very pathetic, if you ask me

>>714299204
PS5 had 2 games on launch and many timed exclusives later on with the likes of Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth and 16, Spiderman 2, etc. Also Nintendo isnt getting GTA 6 ever probably which will be the biggest media release of all time. How many games do you really think theyre going to pump out for the 2 alone, first party titles? Not more if any more than the PS5 truly.

>>714292751 (OP)
They'll both survive without major issues. Xbox leaves that much space open.

>>714299336
The thing is, is that the only handheld that will run GTA 6 is the PS6 handheld and Xbox is dead as of pretty much right now. Leaving only Playstation practically. Valve is going to get cucked hard by GTA 6 as well

>>714299610
>using timed exclusives as some kind of gatcha
>nintendo surely isnt making games for the rest of the consoles life
were you dropped on your head as a child?

>>714299737
Its probably not going to be as many first partys as you think. Its going to be similar to the PS5 really. its going to have a few exclusives but largely will run previous gen games a lot better, etc like the PS5.

>>714299867
you are completely and entirely delusional. the swithc had more first party exclusives then xbox or PS5 combined

>>714299302
PC gaming is dying. GPU prices are ridiculous and are only going to climb. PC building is a thing of the past. Its only going to be in large scale infrastructure and big operation stuff .

>>714299734
Xbox is moving to the Chink Ally X. You’ll be able to play GTA 6 on that but not Steam Deck. Valve is fucked

Worst you can say about Nintendo is that you don't like the direction of their modern games.

Sony on the other hand:
>Has become completely irrelevant in Japan
>Wasted hundreds of millions on live service games that amounted to nothing
>Struggles to put out more than one game on a single fucking year
>Even in the places they're doing well like the US, Nintendo beats them (Switch 2 had the biggest opening for a console in the US too)

Like c'mon

>>714300081
meanwhile, the xbox...two? Y? and PS6 are going to be a minimum $950 each

>>714300089
You wont even be able to play GTA 6 on that either though because its just a Steam or Windows client and GTA 6 wont be on that. Its not even an Xbox

>>714299929
You disregarded nearly my entire point. I said the Switch 2 will largely be an improved back compat game runner much like the PS5 with likely less exclusives than before. PS4 had way more exclusives than the 5 as well

>>714300081
High-end PC gaming is dying like home consoles. You don't want to know what the PS6's price will be because it's going to be far more than even the PS5 Pro. The Nintendo Switch 2 and the Valve Steam Deck 2 are the future of gaming. AAA slop is on its way out. Video games are about to fix themselves hard.

>>714300302
>with likely less exclusives than before
absolutely nothing points to this. Nintendo has always been exclusives first, even during the down years like GC and n64

>>714300317
PS6 probably wont even be that much. Also Sony is making a dedicated handheld as well. Also nobody bought the steam deck.

>>714300420
>Also Sony is making a dedicated handheld as well
and you expect them to make it anywhere close to the Switch/S2's price range? or somehow start making games when they cant even do it for their console division?

>>714300405
Really all of this is pure conjecture, but at this point it has 1 exclusive and most people are using it for back compat. Its just the way it is. No console maker can really avoid it. Its just what happens when consoles go mainstream instead of the usual every 5 year Nintendo gimmick for kids console. The Switch 2 is the first serious successor and not a joke. 3rd party is a big deal

>>714300420
You're retarded, everyone in the know are saying it will cost $1000. Stop being retarded, give up on home consoles, Xbox is dead, PlayStation is dying, see the writing on the wall before it's too late, shill.

>>714293694
>>714294663
Sony isn't only gaming also they are asians and have work moral unlike all the retarded amerifats who want to be the next influncer

>>714300580
That doesnt mean the Steam deck is the future though.

>>714300542
This, I'm expecting it to cost $800 at least and it won't even be able to fully play PS5 games natively, it'll stream the ones it can't play along with PS6 games, it having the ability to play PS4 games natively will also be costly. BTW, rumors are saying it's being sold at a profit, it will be expensive too.

>>714300580
>everyone in the know
You mean bullshit rumors? There’s nothing anyone could possibly know at this point.

>>714300753
For those games that won't come on Switch 2, it pretty much is. It will be the go-to device for third party games.

>>714300769
Really though what isnt going to be near a thousand by the time 2027 rolls around? Do you really believe that Nintendo or Valve arent going to adjust accordingly?

>>714300861
he says, after claiming sony is making a handheld

>>714300317
Steam deck is not the future. Just give it up already. It’ll stay niche and probably be outsold by the xbox-branded handhelds

>>714300875
Cant play GTA 6.

>>714300861
I thought all of the Xbox rumors from the same people were bullshit rumors but every single one of them was true. When you're constantly pushing realism and graphics, this will be your fate. You're already seeing the signs for Sony, porting games to PC, making PSSR for everything not just PlayStation. That's a sign of preparing to drop out. It happened with Atari, it happened with Sega, it's happening with Xbox, it will happen to PlayStation, there is no stopping this.

>>714301104
PC still cant even run GTA 6. A 5k card cant run it.

>>714300905
I know

>>714301082
It and Switch 2 are, the future of gaming isn't to grow, it's to shrink.

>>714301093
It's unknown if that will even sell well, especially if it's $100. GTA 6, may be saved by the cheaper PS5, but GTA 7 will be a tough sell given where gaming is going. Rockstar will have to release that on Switch 2 and PC because the PS6 won't save them.

>>714301261
Is GTA 6 your last cope?

>>714298691
>that money doesn't count, only mario sales count

>>714301426
What would lead you to believe that gaming is going anywhere?

>>714301549
I'll ask you again, are you really bragging about selling fortnite skins and fifa card packs

>>714301523
Its not nothing thats for sure. Its going to be astronomical. Its going to be more important than pretty much anything Nintendo has pumped out in the last ten years combined.

Nintendo nailed their niche. PS and Xbox are all fighting with Steam for a piece of the 3rd party pie. I don't see any struggles for Nintendo in the near future.

>>714299610
>Also Nintendo isnt getting GTA 6 ever probably which will be the biggest media release of all time
Well they got Mario Kart World which will be the 2nd biggest media release over the next 10 years and nobody else has that.

>>714301754
They just gotta announce a release date for Prime 4 already, I want out of this shitshow of an industry

>>714301895

>>714301613
Have you been living under a rock?

>>714301706
lmao

>>714301754
This, Nintendo and Valve already won, REAL gaming companies won

>>714301974
whats going to outsell it? Smash bros? the new zelda?

ive enjoyed reading this console war thread so far, thanks for omitting the shit flinging and having actual discussion

>>714302017
Steam deck undersold hard and Nintendo will be fighting to survive when GTA 6 comes out.

>>714301426
>the future of gaming isn't to grow, it's to shrink.

But why does it have to be Steam Deck? Why not any other PC handheld and Switch?

>>714302206
>Nintendo will be fighting to survive when GTA 6 comes out
lol
LMAO even

>>714301974
MK8 is the 5th best selling game of all time and World is a tier above that.

Nintendo will win since they actually make games

>>714302272
The Switch 2s are going to get neglected so hard and tossed in the trash when people realize it cant run GTA 6 lmao

>>714302206
just like they were when GTAV came out right

>>714302206
Nintendo has their own sphere, they have 0 reason to worry about GTA 6.
If anything Sony should be worrying, making sure that PS6 they diverted everything to is up and running for it.

>>714302206
Steam Deck isn't sold in retailers and lmfao at your comment about Nintendo. The Switch beat the Xbox's and PlayStation's asses from 2017-2025, the Switch 2 will beat the Xbox's and PlayStation's asses out of video game hardware. GTA 6, which already looked likes shit, will not save them, it's over.

>>714302464
>The Switch 2s are going to get neglected so hard and tossed in the trash
just like wii's did when IV came out, right? Or like switch's when GTAV Definitive/PS5 edition did

>>714302232
>Why not any other PC handheld
Steam Deck is the only PC handheld; the rest are irrelevant and the sales show this. You have to stop picking the losing party.

>>714302491
>>714302505
>>714302506
>>714302541
GTA V is a big reason why the Wii U died.

>>714302714

>>714299302
Next year is the 25th anniversary of xbox. Expect them to play it up including their emulator announcement

>>714292751 (OP)
>set and done

>>714302714
okay

schizo

>>714302714
The Wii U is the big reason why the Wii U died.

>714302714
Not even worth giving a (You).

>>714302541
Fun fact: Nintendo annoucned the Switch literally the same day Rockstar dropped the trailer for Red Dead 2 lol.

>>714302817
Their shills will scream, "You see, Xbox isn't dead, the future is BRIGHT" and then Microsoft will discontinue the Xbox name the following year, lmao.

>>714299435
The fact that swill like subway surfer makes more money than most games, AAA or viral indies, makes me ill.

>>714302602
You mesn the sales that also show how the Switch 2 outsold the Deck in a month?

>>714302464
Or people aren't poor like you and can own multiple gaming platforms

>>714302232
You know why

>>714292751 (OP)
Both, in their own markets

>>714302464
>>714303223
Having a good PC + Switch is all I honestly need, everything else is a sidegrade at best and a waste of money at worst.

>>714298565
Only if the Red dead Redemption is capable to port the game

>Neil Druckman is out
>Phil Spencer is out
>Perfect Dark cancelled

Holy shit, Nintendo is winning so hard this shis isn't even funny

>>714303220
Steam Deck isn't sold in retailers. It was always going to be outsold by the Switch 2, the Deck 2 will have the same fate. Valve is smart enough not to challenge Nintendo's dominance.

>>714303135
Probably. But youll get a year of xbox shit.

>>714303553
I don't even care about which side is winning or losing, I just want good games.
But apparently, Sony and Xbox keep shitting the bed non-stop.

>>714298908
3:1 >>714300618
>they are asians
Playstation is shitfornian

>>714302808
>>714302847
>>714302971
Yeah, the Wii U was what it was because it didnt have it. Thats what made it fail

>>714303937
>>714302808

>>714303937
GTAV must have just forgot to make Switch fail then. Crazy.

>>714304349
It wrecked the Nintendo that it came out close to. The Switch came out and could get out unscathed because it was years after GTA V had died down to a large extent

>>714301634
>all that money is fifa and fortnite bro trust me

>>714297460
This is mostly true but tears of the Kingdom is a sign that things are not as solid as most Nintendo fans think they are.

>>714304430
That's cool and Switch wrecked PS4, PS5 Xbone, SeX, Steam Deck, Vita, etc because of Mario Kart

>>714304717
echoes of wisdom was fine though

>>714304829
The Wii U however didnt survive the onslaught of GTA. Theyre just making up for lost ground. GTA 6 is going to set them back once again. Its fate at this point.

>>714304957
Man, GTA really IS your last cope, huh

>>714305054
Its not a last cope. Its just a hurdle Nintendo has never really outrun. Their cow goes moo games go right out the window

>>714304475

Sure as hell ain't from Concord

>>714305128
wii outran GTAIV and switch outsold every system that had GTAV on it

>>714303553
>Neil Druckman is out
WAITWAITwait wait!!!!
Please tell me this isn't just a shit post, please tell me what there is proof that faggot is getting out. Or at least rumbling that he's getting shown the door, seriously Naughty Dog is a Last of Us remake developer now and we finally have dam proof that Last of Us 2 really was that awful when the live action shit show got to the Joel in One scene and viewer numbers dropped off a cliff right after.

>>714305229
Yes, years after it released. Also, the consoles that had GTA V combined would decimate the Switch. Wii underperformed the consoles combined that had GTA V. Its just going to be more juice for Sony this time around since Xbox is dead

>>714305384
>if you combine 6 consoles together, it outsold one console!!!!
your gotchas are getting more and more pathetic

>>714302824
Can't tell if they are ESL or a retard pretending to be ESL.

>>714305341
All I got is him backing out of the show.

>>714305341
He's out.....of the TLOU show and focused on his game projects

>>714305465
Its just a logical analysis. GTA V drove whatever it was on to success far higher than Nintendo. Sony and Xbox might not have had one greater than nintendo that gen but GTA V had more devices out there than Nintendo

>>714305465
If it means anything though it is coming off a lot of sales of GTA 5 but I doubt it would do much to the Switch 2 other than show the contrarians who would probably pay that $100+ to play GTA 6.

>>714305725
>GTA V drove whatever it was on to success far higher than Nintendo
other than the PS4, 5, or any xbox console?

>>714305885
Not the PS5 or X/S because it had been diluted after all of those years on PC. PS3, Xbox 360 and PS4 were all huge and they had GTA V exclusivity for at least a around year with the PS4

>>714306098
>PS3, Xbox 360 and PS4 were all huge and they had GTA V exclusivity for at least a around year with the PS4
and none of them outsold the switch either

>>714306141
Youre missing the point. The point is that the sales figures for these consoles with GTA V exclusivity is way higher than anything Nintendo sold. Look past the single console sales. The industry impact of GTA V spanned far greater than the Switch 1 even

>>714292751 (OP)
Sega rises from the ashes and rapes both.

>>714306282
>The point is that the sales figures for these consoles with GTA V exclusivity is way higher than anything Nintendo sold. Look past the single console sales
what point are you trying to make? if the switch outselling all of the consoles that had gta V on them doesnt amtter, what are you even trying to say? 6 consoles piled together into the same arbitrary figure you made up?

Why are only the studios that make games inclusive for everyone shutting down or getting laid off? I thought games created for “gamers” were no longer the thing? Why do they always make millions and keep their employees?

>>714297348
:)

>>714302206
>snoyim coping

>>714306545
They know who their customers are.

>>714306510
The point is that GTA V had a bigger impact on the industry as a whole than nintendo

>>714297812
>and nintendo are struggling to make games too.
bruhdder they have been putting out at least one first party game per month for the last year or so
and that's ignoring all the multiplats that are effectively nintendo exclusives because the PC ports are either awful or unoptimized as fuck/crammed with denuvo

Sony is releasing a playstation portable next to the ps6 next gen,they are going to compete with nintendo again and i hope to god this new competition fixes both companies

>but nintendo is le wholesome chungus company that can do no wrong

Do not talk to me

>>714307160
impact how? Its only lasting legacy is being ported a bilion times and being propped up by GTAO whales

>>714307236
>Sony is releasing a playstation portable next to the ps6 next gen
so now theyll have TWO platforms they dont release games for?

>>714303937
Didn't matter if it did, if GTA couldn't save Xbox, it wouldn't save the Wii U.

>>714303135
Likely, new generation is in 2027, no New xbox, just the ps6

>>714307331
they'll run the same games, no more vita situation where they dont have enough devs to make games specifically for the handheld

>>714298908
>>714299143
>>714299610

>>714307236
It's going to be $800 and it's going to flop. Who's going to buy a PS handheld that can barely play most of the PS5 games? It's also releasing shortly after the PS6.

>>714307458
>PS5 graphics on a handheld that DEFIONITELY wont be $800 minimum
>competing with the steam deck AND xbox's handheld for 3rd aprty
sounds like a brilliant strategy

>>714307483
>Japan

>>714307376
The Xbox died way after the exclusivity was gone so thats not even what failed to save it. The 360 actually got close to playstation because of GTA v

>>714297812

It's okay bro, Bamco are bringing Sony games to Nintendo platforms.
The third-party prophecy is coming true at last... just with the companies swapped around

>>714307237
The consoles that GTA V were on were sold more than what Nintendo made. Its that simple. Look at it with a little bit of nuance

>>714294512
As it should be. What a bright future.

>>714295759
They released three of these turds in one console generation, how do you even do that?

>>714307734
>The consoles that GTA V were on were sold more than what Nintendo made
but they didnt. No console with GTAV on it outsold the switch

>>714307236
>Sony will made nintendo be the cheap option angain

>>714307160
to a degree that's true, fortnite and gta5 did start the live service GAAS gold rush
that doesn't mean it's a good thing given it lead to the death of the westoid vidya industry tho

>>714307483
Nice cherrypicked chart. Regardless of what you can pull out of your ass, Sony said the PS5 is their most successful console ever in terms of profit

>>714307920
despite not even selling as much as the PS1, 2, 3, or 4?

>>714307781
Just take off the labels then to make this easier. Now combine all of the consoles that had GTA V and compare them to the switch sales figures. It was just divided more onto different consoles. How hard of a concept is this?

>>714308003
>Now combine all of the consoles that had GTA V and compare them to the switch sales
why would I do that? Should I combine every nintendo console that had mario kart 64 on it and compare that against the sega dreamcast?

>>714307987
Yes, literally. Look it up. They said it a few days ago.

>>714301093
If the Series S can run it, the Switch 2 can run it.

>>714308089
so since theyre charging more money for consoles, (multiplat) games, online, and microtransactions, this is a good thing?

>>714308070
How many of them even had that on it?

>>714308089
>They said it
Just said it? No data corroborating it?

>>714307650
Xbox died because Peter Moore left, GTA didn't do anything, Sony just fucked up that gen which also led to them dying since Sony moved PlayStation to California around that time.

>>714307773
Exactly

>>714304957
I'd throw down $1,000 that Switch 2 blows past 100 million units sold and 4 or 5 years from now you're crying about "tendie bootlickers buy anything nintendo shits out" cuz you're wrong and afraid. I'm just telling you how it's going to be. GTA6 will be a fantastic game btw, buying it day one for my Series X.

>>714308205
wii, switch 1, n64, wiiU(jailbroken), switch 2

>>714307458
>no more vita situation where they dont have enough devs to make games specifically for the handheld
the problem is they also ran off anyone that would be willing to make games for the platform under their draconian antijapan policies
pretty much the only ones left are CH, SE, crapcom and the goysona team at faglus, because i can't even say "sega" as a whole anymore as they jumped ship to PC properly
out of those the only ones willing to take the hit and make it exclusive are the goysona team and CH, that's literally it

>>714308152
Yeah but it cant though. Its not going to be able to do it due to limitations in the industry. So it cant run it. You know you could also fly if you had wings right?

>>714307920
>This comes via an investor presentation spotted by Eurogamer, wherein Sony claimed the PS5 has generated $106 billion for the company in its four years of life, just shy of the $107 billion the PS4 made in its seven. This has led to an operating income of $10 billion

> Spending on buying actual games is down 12 percent from data of the PS4

>Money spent on add-ons like DLC, skins, or other microtransactions is up 176 percent.

T-Thanks Fortnite

>>714308293
>Yeah but it cant though
weird, thats not what rockstar says

>>714308003
>you have to put up the entirety of the westoid industry in a single pile to be able to go against nintendo
>and nintendo still wins
have westoids considered releasing good games again?

if you have been paying any attention to their investor reports you would have noticed that sony is pivotting very very hard away from GaaS and towards asian developed games again

now with xbox dead the pressure of having to get a cod killer is gone, they will unfuck themselves with the ps6 generation

>>714308383
>>Money spent on add-ons like DLC, skins, or other microtransactions is up 176 percent.
only 176%?
with how much the industry in the west killed itself chasing the fortnite bucks i expected the revenue to be far higher, 5000% minimum

>>714308259
Alright when you start counting jailbroken bullshit you can throw a lot of this stuff out the window. Mario Kart 64 also isnt the second best selling game of all time. You could add all of those up and it still probably wouldnt even beat the consoles that GTA V was on exclusively

>>714308562
>you would have noticed that sony is pivotting very very hard away from GaaS
why they didnt cancel marathon?

>>714294512
so it seems, so it seems.

>>714292751 (OP)
Nintendo, by a decent margin
Ultimately though between all 3, the players are the ones truly on the bottom

>>714308434
I didnt say the S cant run it. I said the Switch 2 cant run it, in response to your comment

>>714308628
I see the point of the scenario flew over that walnut sized brain of yours entirely

>>714299072
>PS4 boxes in the background
nice average playstation "gamer" you posted here champ

>>714308562
>and towards asian developed games again
Funny you have to explicitly say asian rather than just japanese due to no jp dev being willing to release PiS5 exclusives at this point, with like 3 exceptions.
The kicker is chinky and gooky shit also fails to deliver, while also using AAAA budgets.
I think the only exception is gook blade that "only" had AAA budget and didn't completely flop (once it released on PC).

>>714308641
bungie contract fuckery, by making bungie miss financial targets sony gets to purge the leadership and take over

fairgame is 100% getting cancelled

>>714308465
Youre missing the point. The point is that GTA V influenced the industry as a whole more than Nintendo did when it came out and for a while after. This all traces back to the argument that GTA 6 is going to push Nintendo back a few years when it comes out.

>>714308738
why couldnt the switch 2 run it? its more powerful than the S

>>714308562

You know they're not satisfied with skimming 30% off third-party GaaS, they're determined to get their 100% cash cow, and they'll either get a pyrrhic victory or get cut loose by Sony itself before they admit that they fucked up

>>714307160
Ok but GTAV isn't a console and it's success was split 7 ways on PS3, Xbox 360, PS4, Xbone, PS5, SeX, and Steam. Nobody is saying GTA isn't a cultural phenom little boy. It's a fantastic game and I will be buying it. The shit you're selling to us is no different than "le pokemon will beat PS6 just watch tee hee hee"

>>714308796
i say asian because they are funding south korean games (stellar blade for example) and yes also some chinese games

>>714302206
I dont get the impression that the market for GTA6 has much overlap with the market for nintendo. Just completely different people such that growth in one doesn't take away from the other

>>714308747
The scenario had no valid point.

>>714308846
>The point is that GTA V influenced the industry as a whole more than Nintendo did
you still havent answered what they actually influenced

>>714308562
>they will unfuck themselves with the ps6 generation

lel

>Spiderman 2 remastered!
>TLoU2 Remastersed!
>Ghost of Yotei but for PS6!
>Horizon but again!
>Wolverine coming soon(We promise)!
>More games announced that won't be coming out for the next 4-5 years

Nintendo + PC will be the future. PS5 really is a mistake

>>714308849
I dont know why. But we just know >>714308918
Switch is not getting it.

>>714304717
Maybe, but Nintendo has the uncanny ability to rise from the ashes whenever things start getting bad for them. The Gamecube wasn't successful? Fine, let's make a revolutionary console that will influence the whole industry. Its successor, the Wii U, wasn't successful? Alright, let's do our magic again. Following this logic, it should be the turn of the Switch 2 to flop, but apparently it's doing quite well despite not having a solid release library. I don't know how they do it, but they are simply luckier and/or more talented with their management than other companies.

>>714308846
Nobody said GTA wasn't popular. You moved the goalpost btw.

>>714309060
>we know the switch 2 isnt getting it because [totally irrelevant post]
interesting

>>714308918
Okay, glad to see youre finally seeing the point of my comments. The industry impact is arguably greater than anything Nintendo ever did.

sony will never die because niggers are too stupid to use computers, they need playstation for nba 2k

>>714292751 (OP)

Nintendo is king until the old guard retires. Once Miyamoto-san retires, watch out for Sony. Their cornucopia of general mediocrity will become the norm.

>>714309159
you want to talk about moving goalposts?
>gta is going to kill nintendo if you combine 6 different consoles total sales against one that outsold all of them 1v1 without it
>its influential to the industry because it sold a lot

>>714308962
It drove console sales of what it was exclusive on on higher than any generation ever. Nintendo has never done that in any generation

>>714309060
Doesn't need it

>>714300769
Watch people stop talking about the Deck in Switch 2 all of a sudden when it's officially announced.

>>714297348

GTA 6 will be remembered for its many many remakes more than anything it does. Nintendo does something once and that's all it needs.

>>714309171
Typo.
>>714309159
No I didnt. The point the entire time was that GTA 6 will be more important than anything Nintendo has done in the past decade and is liable to set them back a good ways.

>>714309263
it wasnt exclusive on anything, it was on both xbox and sony consoles and even PC
>Nintendo has never done that in any generation
wii and switch

>>714309171
American video game market would be dead if Nintendo didn't release the NES

>>714309171
That was your new point after you moved the goalpost and I never disagreed that GTA is a top1 2 or 3 IP. GTA is fantastic and I'll be buying it. Calm down.

you can already tell nintendo is slowly but surely facing the same development slowdown issues that have been plagueing sony, i dont think the switch 2 gen will be better gamewise than switch 1

>>714309254
Again, missing the point. The fact is during GTA Vs generation, consoles such as PS and Xbox outsold anything Nintendo did. Therefore, GTA is more influential to the market. Period.

Who tf cares about gta 6 on switch, I don't think a single soul bought a switch 2 for gta. Slop latinx dating simulator I will buy on pc when its on sale in like 3 years

>>714309376
>No I didnt. The point the entire time was that GTA 6 will be more important than anything Nintendo has done in the past decade
No it wasn't. The innitial point was GTA will kill switch 2. We can just go up the reply chain, you know that right?

>>714309401
DS too.

>>714309512
>The fact is during GTA Vs generation, consoles such as PS and Xbox outsold anything Nintendo did.
it didnt though. The switch outsold every previous and current gen console
> GTA is more influential to the market
it didnt influence the market at all? Sony and MS are the one's trying to copy the switch

>>714309512
>Again, missing the point
Because you moved the goalpost. Nobody said GTA wasn't a top dog IP.

>>714294512
>nintendie still coping

>>714309401
It was on PS3, XBox 360 2 years almost before PC and PS4 and XBox got it around half a year before PC.
The wii didnt outdo GTA in terms of sales/influence. GTA was way bigger than the Wii. The only real case you have here is the Switch but even at that GTA 6 is coming out and will be massive. It just hasnt happened yet

>>714309643
Hell, even Valve tried to get a piece of the Switch pie with the Steam Deck

>>714294663
It also doesn't help that Sony is spread thin with so many other things that simply aren't videogames. I read an article recently saying the movie department was bleeding them dry with costant losses and high costs, and that one or two successful movies every five years aren't really worth the whole thing. Nintendo is just now wetting their feet with movie shit, but they are still tied to their games, directly supervised by their developers and writers, and have nothing to do with Hollywood shit. They are one of the few companies left who are totally and wholly dedicated to videogames, meant as "things supposed to have a fun gameplay and good music".

>>714309718
>The wii didnt outdo GTA in terms of sales/influence. GTA was way bigger than the Wii
the wii outsold every gen 7 console without having IV. what did you mean by this?

>>714299393
You're implying they actually needed the layoffs instead of just doing it to increase their stocks a couple of percentage points.

>>714309718
>a Nintendo console wont outsell GTA6 units sold
Yeah we know. It's units sold will be split 7 ways again so it won't matter and Switch 2 will blow past 100 million units sold easily without it and top whatever Xbox and PS comes out.

>>714309683
This idiot in here is missing the point so hard. He doesnt want to accept that GTA was on more consoles than how many consoles Nintendo even had out.

>>714302206

>Nintendo will be fighting to survive when GTA 6

We don't give a shit about your GTA 6 game. You'll be fine, we'll be fine, etc.

>>714309914
Yeah he's cooked

>>714309814
GTA 4 is not when GTA became what it is known for.
>>714309890
No the point is that GTA was on more consoles than how many Wiis existed, regardless of if you have to combine PS and XBox.

>>714307920
>Sony said the PS5 is their most successful console ever
that's not what they said :^).
they said that the PS5 """"""""generation"""""""" (this includes PS5 hardware but also PS4, accessories, DLC, PS+ subs and MTX) is their most profitable yet. DLC, PS+ subs and MTX accounted for more than half of that profit, by the way. you have to be precise.
in other words, they're nickel and diming snoys and of course the snoys are clapping.

>>714294663
>2022

https://www.fastcompany.com/91334306/sony-announces-record-surge-profits-q1-heres-how-did-it

>>714310053
>No the point is that
You can stop doing this. Every time you do this you're moving the goalpost. Nobody said GTA wasn't on a lot of consoles.

>>714310053
>regardless of if you have to combine PS and XBox.
its not an if scenario, thats exactly what youre doing. PS3 with GTAIV sold less then the wii. 360 with GTA IV sold less than the wii without it. PS4 sold less than the wii without V. X/SX/One with V sold less than the switch without

>>714307802
the switch 2 is not cheap stfu lol

>>714307236

Oooh spooky oooh PSP2 oooh will it have dual disc drives and play Digimon World 2 ooooh

>>714308562
you haven't been paying attention, they said they were committed to their GaaS strategy, on the contrary.

>>714310312
cheaper then every console on the market

>>714310203
How hard is it to understand that the consoles that GTA was on were greater than Nintendo as a whole? We're not comparing consoles to consoles. This is about Nintendo vs GTA and more consoles were sold that had access to GTA than nintendo games.

>>714307236
>>714310321
Third time's the charm, amirite

Is this fucking faggot retard really doing a Nintendo as a whole vs. GTA comparison?

>>714310391
>How hard is it to understand that the consoles that GTA was on were greater than Nintendo as a whole?
so we ARE combining Xbox and sony, glad you admit it

>>714309137

The thing I love about the Switch 2 is that it plays Switch 1 games better than 1 ever did. I've got a backlog of Switch stuff I actually want to play now.

>>714310471
So what? Consoles that had GTA were more popular as a whole than consoles that had Nintendo games. Period.

>>714310452
Yeah, if it's Nintendo as a whole then Nintendo wins easily.

>>714308562
>sony is pivotting very very hard away from GaaS and towards asian developed games again
So the Nintendo strategy. Also we're like 18 months removed from the "Sony has 12 GAAS in development PS is saved!!!!" and now "Were moving away from GAAS PS is saved!!!" I'll believe it when I see it.

>>714310452
It's basically a honorary exclusive to the snoys at this point.

It's given that GTA6 posting -total- sales is going to be "YEAH SONY WON!"

While I agree that GTA 6 will sell a lot, aren't there less PS5 and Xbox Series consoles sold (77 million and around 35 million) compared to the PS3 and Xbox 360 at the time GTA 6 was released?

>>714310537
theres no market domination if you need to combine 6 different consoles across 2 generations in order to beat one system

>>714310391
>How hard is it to understand that the consoles that GTA was on were greater than Nintendo as a whole
How hard is it for you to understand that nobody said 7 platforms combined didn't outsell 1 nintendo console?

>>714310656
You still are missing the point. You think this is about Sony vs Nintendo but its about GTA vs nintendo.

>>714310391
Holy shit dude, we get it, Rockstar ain't gonna fuck you

>>714310614
reminder he also tried to downplay the xbox port >>714308434

>>714310654
GTA 5*
Typo

>>714310537
Nobody said otherwise. Are you dumb? Are you even old enough to be here?

>>714310756
I never tried to downplay that. I said the Switch 2 wont be getting it.

>>714310728
>its about GTA vs nintendo
considering the wii and Switch outsold their competition without it, theyll be just fine

>>714310728
GTA isn't a console. Please seek help.

>>714310849
So youre saying that more Wiis existed than consoles that could run GTA V? Because thats flat out wrong

>>714310842
>the Switch 2 wont be getting it.
why not? it can run on series S, why wouldnt R* want the tendie audience?

>>714308562
>, they will unfuck themselves with the ps6 generation
it would take the ceo live-streaming his harakiri to restore faith in devs to go back to making games for playstation at this point.

>>714293694
god i fucking hope not imagine a world where nintendo is the only one making games fucking nightmare

>>714310906
We were comparing the industry and market influence of GTA to Nintendo.

>>714310926
>So youre saying that more Wiis existed than consoles
oh are we talking about consoles again? I thought this was nintendo vs GTA

>>714307528
$800 AND subject to random price raises.

Daily reminder that this is only happening because of Gamergate, Trump is with Nintendo. If you're against Nintendo you're against Trump, simple as.

>>714309701
>Snoy, accusing anyone of coping

>>714310842
Rockstar delayed GTA6 so they could make a Switch 2 port, you heard it here first. Screencap this.

>>714310926
No he's not saying that.

Do poor people gravitate toward GTA6 because it's relatable (in a desirable way) or because it's relatable (in an undesirable way)? Seems like poor people in particular love the series.

>>714311024
Then Nintendo wins because they have had industry and market influence since the 1990s to today.

>>714310935
I dont know ask rockstar. Theyve only said its coming to PS5 and Xbox.

>>714311017
Then the rest of the industry is going to have to catch up with them, then.

>>714311024
So Nintendo still wins by a lap
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

>>714311135
they also said GTA5 wasnt coming to PC

>>714311030
Out of context entirely.

>>714311163
Catch up by actually making games? That'd be nice, Microsoft in particular could sure learn a thing or two from that right now

>>714311237
not really

>>714311176
I was talking about GTA particularly when it became big with V. It eclipsed anything Nintendo had ever put out at a point in time really.

>>714311335
My point was that the consoles as a whole that could run GTA V outsold Nintendo consoles that generation. Its that simple.

>>714311038
Yup, PlayStation is doomed, like Xbox. Nintendo and Valve knew Sony's and Microsoft's direction would kill gaming which is why they made plans in advance in the early 2000s to fight this currently.

>>714311420
>the consoles as a whole that could run GTA V outsold Nintendo consoles that generation
the PS3 and 360 didnt outsell the wii though. Or even the switch, which doesnt even have GTAV

>>71431134
But you were talking about
>>714311024
>industry and market influence
Therefore, the fact that Nintendo was, and Nintendo still is, the owner of the best selling videogame franchise and overall media franchise in the world still trumps anything that both GTA and COD have ever achieved.

>>714311049
This, Trump saved gaming

>>714292751 (OP)
Sony is going to falter and become Nintendo's whipping boy if they do a massive course correction from Jim Ryan's idiotic decisions before the launch of the PS6 and judging from their past few State of Plays I wouldn't bet on it.

Nintendo will always stay on top because pigs love their slop.

>>714311501
Compare how many consoles were sold back then that could run GTA V to the number of consoles that Nintendo sold that generation

>>714311661
ok
>wii 101,630,000
>PS3 87,400,000
>xbox 360 84,000,000

>>714311626
>y if they do a massive course correction from Jim Ryan's idiotic decisions before the launch of the PS6

Even if they turned everything around right now with the way AAA development is, we won't see any new games for years while they have to flush millions of dollars and years of dev time down the toilet on their current projects because they don't want another concord.

>>714311791
So how many consoles out of those numbers could run GTA v, and how many of those consoles could run nintendo games? Ill wait

>>714311872
>because they don't want another concord.
uhhhhh

>>714309137
It's the classic hare vs turtle. The hares = rest of the industry chasing line must go up and maximum profit at all costs. That's why they all chase live service, digital only, MTX, season passes etc. Meanwhile Nintendo is the turtle, each generation they made more franchises over time. Luigi's Mansion, Animal Crossing, Splatoon etc. Some of these weren't huge hits originally but grew over time. And slowly but surely each generation Nintendo IPs are all huge and sell a ton and it becomes the no-brainer buy for everyone. All of that means Nintendo got identity too. They don't have live service games but they got classic multiplayer games. Meanwhile other companies have to promise over and over "we're gonna go back to our roots, a return of form" etc etc etc. Just watch Battlefield

>>714311906
I already answered that, can you not read numbers? The console without outsold both

>>714312016
If you could do math, you would know that more consoles out of those numbers could run GTA V vs the one that couldnt.

>>714311791
Also
>DS: 154.020.000

>>714292751 (OP)
It's down to Valve vs Nintendo, but I bet Valve will eventually take the crown.
Valve has a big advantage against Nintendo. Nintendo needs to continuously create hardware to stay relevant whereas Valve can do hardware as a side project and still make gazillion dollars of revenue thanks to the superiority of their storefront and CS2 lootboxes.
Creating and designing hardware is super expensive which is why only Sony and Nintendo are still making gaming consoles, and Microsoft seems to be giving up like Sega did 25 years ago. Nintendo consoles almost died off after the Wii U flop, but thanks to the Switch they survived and thrived. The Switch 2 might be extremely successful now but if it or its successors, if any, lose steam (heh) Nintendo might be in big trouble. We might already be seeing this what with the Switch 2's launch titles and Nintendo's first party upcoming games being so anemic compared to Switch 1. Turns out more powerful hardware=much more expensive games, otherwise why even bother with the Switch 2 and just make it compatible with Switch 1.

>>714310526
I'm playing TotK now, and it's so nice to have the game at a steady 60fps, and Zelda Notes is great for picking up collectibles you missed.

>>714311024
Well then GTA loses since Nintendo is bigger than all of Rockstar and more influential as well. Move the goalpost back to GTA v Switch 2. You might have an argument there.

>>714312093
and your point is what? they couldnt outsell the console that didnt have it

>>714312101
Alright then add the PS4/Xbox one as well to the consoles that had GTA v exclusive early and it would decimate those numbers

>>714311420
>My point was that
Here comes the goalpost move. Again.

>>714311997
>"we're gonna go back to our roots, a return of form"

That phrase bothers me more when developers say it because I know it's going to be another "We took the skin of your favorite IP and threw it over the worst AAA garbage ever!" that always leads to "Guess fans didn't want it because it didn't sell 10 billion copies"

>>714311906
You talking about gen 7? Then:

Consoles that didn't have GTA V (Wii/DS/PSP): 337M sales

Consoles that had GTA V (360/PS3): 171M

>>714312101
If you play it that way, then that means the Switch 1 is a failure coz it sold less than DS+Wii.

>>714312174
Thats where it was initially. I was saying that GTA might set the Switch 2 back a good ways.
>>714312180
But more consoles that could run GTA V were sold than the one that couldnt run it

>>714312229
>PS4/one
>GTA exclusive early
what on earth did you mean by this

>>714312289
PS4 and Xbox One had GTA V exclusively as well so add those

>>714312317
>But more consoles that could run GTA V were sold than the one that couldnt run it
they didnt? do you think 87 and 84 M are bigger numbers then 101m?

>>714312317
>I was saying that GTA might set the Switch 2 back a good ways
No more than pokemon mario kart and smash set PS and Xbox back

>>714312310
Which means the PS4 is a failure because it sold less than DS+Wii.

>>714312438
87+84 = 171 so yes I do think that number is bigger than 101. More consoles were sold that could run it end of story. It doesnt matter if you have to combine them, GTA moved that many consoles regardless of the brand

>>714312551
>87+84 = 171
oh

oh no

>>714309828
That's what every mass layoff at a major company is: throw hundreds of people under the bus so the company can claim it had its most profitable quarter to the shareholders, and the executives can give themselves another raise.

>>714312551
GTAV didn't sell 171 million units between those two consoles. You have to be underage.

>>714312617
Why does it matter? GTA was the catalyst for more console sales for what it was available on.

>>714312507
Yes, but so is the Switch. Not that anon you responded with DS sales numbers btw, but what you're saying is that Nintendo peaked ~20 years ago

>>714312229
>>714312413

>add the PS4/Xbox one

Fine, I'll add gen 8.

Consoles that didn't have GTA V (Wii/DS/PSP/Wii U/3DS/PSV): 441M

Consoles that had GTA V (PS3/360/PS4/XBO): 346M

>>714312705
Can you just stick with one goalpost please? This is getting annoying.

>>714312676
We were talking about the existence of GTA V capable consoles vs Nintendo only capable consoles. GTA V consoles had more quantity, period.

>>714312721
2 consoles vs. 1 single console obviously leads to smaller numbers, yes.

>>714292751 (OP)
>who will be on top
Sega!
Mark my words, they will come back and blow the competition away.

>>714312848
See >>714312798

>>714312705
theresd no market influence if you have to pack 6 different consoles together to outsell the actual best selling console. By your logic wii sports set the precedence for the gen 7 market

2 spastics arguing non stop about gta selling consoles, get a grip

>>714312774
You cant include playstation ones. We were comparing GTA V consoles that had it playable vs Nintendo consoles in that generation

>>714312848
no, you were saying nintendo was finished because it didnt have GTA 6. Then you shifted it to GTA V

then you shifted it to GTA vs nintendo
then you switched to xbox 360, S, X, One, PS3, 4 & 5 vs nintendo

>>714312950
There can still be large market influence even if you have to combine them because it drove the market in the direction of the consoles it was available on. We are not talking about playstation vs nintendo we are talking about GTAs influence vs Nintendo. And GTA was available on more consoles, regardless of brand

>>714292751 (OP)
They are competing in different areas. Sony has the traditional home console market in a grip and guarantees all major games and companies focus on their platform. Nintendo has their own niche where they make bank off of exclusives and high quality first party games that cater to a specific audience. Neither are in any danger of falling apart.

>>714311017
>imagine a world where nintendo is the only one making games
I don't need to imagine.

>>714313043
>You cant include playstation ones
Why not? You were saying that GTA ALONE is more influential than any console choice in particular and that's why Nintendo can't beat it.

PSP and PS Vita didn't have GTA5 so they count.

>>714313071
I didnt shift it to GTA V. I was just saying with the trend of what GTA V did and how it rammed nintendo hard like the wii u failing, GTA 6 is likely to do some damage once again

>>714313176
>There can still be large market influence even if you have to combine them because it drove the market in the direction of the consoles it was available on
it didnt though. The wii outsold every console it competed against. The Wii was so successful sony created the move to try to get the motion control crowd back. The switch didnt have it either and Sony, MS and valve are all copying the switch with their own handhelds. Youre just ignoring basic fact

Xbox is dead and will become MS Games as some have said
some xbox fans will go to ps5 for a premium console
MS Games will continue publishing lots of games and soon develop their own handheld deck model and prioritize compatibility with their deck
sony will probably sell enough games to make a ps6 and maybe 7
nintendo will continue the switch line for another model at least
most games will be multiplat which will be good for the market
valve probably keeps winning the deck market bc the linux os keeps improving and microsoft's deck will be loaded with bloatware and bullshit

>>714313238
No i was saying GTA v was available on more sold consoles than Nintendo games.

>>714313284
>and how it rammed nintendo hard like the wii u failing
it had nothing to do with the wiiU failing, it was already selling like shit well before September 2013

>>714292751 (OP)
They will go to distinct niches and completely fucking monopolize these niches and get lazy.

>>714313328
The wii didnt outsell all of the consoles GTA was available on. How hard is this to understand? More people went out to buy a console for GTA V potentially than people that went out to play nintendo games.

>>714313284
See >>714308254

>>714313473
>The wii didnt outsell all of the consoles GTA was available on
it outsold the PS3, 360, and PS5

>>714313218
This. I remember getting Mario Bros 3 for Christmas. Nothing else could compete at the time.

>>714313568
Yeah but more consoles were sold that were capable of playing GTA V. There existed more consoles in the wild that could run it vs Nintendo consoles. You lost.

>>714313378
Nintendo games are available on more sold consoles than GTA consoles. Move the goalpost again.

>>714313679
So you're saying it needed more consoles to achieve what Nintendo does with less? Damn, sounds weak.

>>714313679
but thats not true >>714312774

>>714313378
So let me take out PSP/PSV by your completely arbitrary exception.

Wii+DS+3DS+Wii U = 346
PS3+PS4+360+XBO = 346

Congrats, it's a tie, that still doesn't help your point, because you still fail to account for other games that may have helped those consoles in the past like Halo, GOW and COD.

Even with this completely simplified scenario, Nintendo is bigger than GTA.

>>714313795
Nintendo doesnt do what Rockstar does with less.

>>714313679
>Yeah but more consoles were sold that were capable of playing GTA V
More Nintendo consoles that dont have GTA outsold more consoles that have GTA. Get a grip kiddo. Take the L.

>>714313806
So youre saying that 84+87 doesnt equate to more than 101? Really? Again, this is about Nintendo games vs GTA V. PSP and VIta arent implicated. Go home, you lost

>>714313758
Please don't give him more ammo

>>714313904
GTA V is also on PC though.

>>714292751 (OP)
>So who will be on top when it all is set and done?
corporations who will charge you for access by the hour, nintendo is fucked because they have no infrastructure like azure or AI all they sell if junk to tards. Someone is going to etam up with Amazon (Sony ro Nintendo?) Microsoft may just make the clint anything but they will own server hosted gaming forever

>>714314096
So is Nintendo :)

>>714313984
nintendo games vs GTA V? ok
wii sports 83m + mario kart 8D 76m + pokemon R/B/Y 76M = 235M
GTAV: 215M

>>714313984
GTA didn't sell 170 million units between ps3 and xbox 360.

>>714313895
Sure they do. 82.9 million Wii Sports games vs. GTAV 215/7 = 70.7 million.

>>714312950
>By your logic wii sports set the precedence for the gen 7 market
Well, in a way it kinda did. The huge initial success of Wii and Wii Sports caused Microsoft and Sony to panic and rush out the Kinect and Move respectfully to try and recreate that success (which they failed at)

>>714311626
It's too late to turn things around over at PlayStation, like Xbox, they made too many mistakes that would take too many years to fix, plus high prices for the next hardware is a guaranteed death for them, it's over.

>>714314859
wow, I wonder if somebody had already poined that out >>714313328

>>714312105
Valve and Nintendo will not fight, they will enjoy their own niche, only their vocal minority of fanboys will fight one another but there won't be any form of big battle from them, Nintendo has consoles, Valve has PCs. The winner of this decisive battle will be us.

I have to say, thanks guys, for containing whoever the fuck this GTAnon is. I've never seen someone so schizophrenic and yet so composed for this long in ages. If it isn't a chatbot with these specific points it keeps repeating branded into it, anyway.

>>714292751 (OP)
The one that sold 5 million brand new consoles during its first 26 days in the market is staying

>>714313210
Sony is, they shouldn't have went for high-end gaming, that's dying, in general. The future is Nintendo and Valve, nothing more.

>>714315076
I don't think chat bots would so illogically move goalposts into a new losing position every time they talk

Let's imagine for a moment that Microsoft and Sony really stop making games altogether. Do you think Nintendo would start making more "mature" games to fill the hole they left behind? (Mine is a unironic question, I'm legit curious). I mean, Nintendo has always been known as the "children-friendly" company, the one that catered to kids and nostalgia, while Sony and Microsoft were the hardboiled companies often making mature, gritty, gory games. Nintendo never really tried to enter this part of the market, except for some rare occasions, probably preferring to do what they do best - but if Sony and Microsoft really were to drop out of the "race", would Nintendo be able to fill that particular demand (and if so how), or would they keep making "safe" games?

>>714314678
Oh wait, never mind. GTAV would actually be 30.7 million.

>>714315742
>Do you think Nintendo would start making more "mature" games to fill the hole they left behind?
"edgy teens and manchildren acting mature for enjoying grimslop" is a dead demographic that doesn't provide any money when pandered to, so i doubt it, especially when nintendo already learned that lesson during the goycube era

>>714315742
And 3rd parties can't make those games because?

>>714315742
They'd probably let the third parties occupy that space all they want, but it's not like they haven't done mature games once in a blue moon. They just tend to not be the kind of mature game that most westerners think of, but I think I prefer those games; Emio was such a good experience.

>>714315742
>I mean, Nintendo has always been known as the "children-friendly" company, the one that catered to kids and nostalgia, while Sony and Microsoft were the hardboiled companies often making mature, gritty, gory games
It's not 2002 to 2006 anymore.

>>714316154
>They just tend to not be the kind of mature game that most westerners think of, but I think I prefer those games;
Man, I remember playing Fragile Dreams on the Wii. Some parts were super scary, while others depressing or sweet and funny. It was a little gem.

>>714316423
i think he means in those games there's not enough dancing niggers for a nintendo game to be considered high art for sophisticated and mature gamers such as himself

>>714315159
>that's dying, in general.
Whats it like living under a rock?

>>714315742
No, Nintendo will stick to their market which keeps them successful. That market would simply die off and we'll get more creative stuff again on Switch and PC.

>>714316675
I think you are for one thinking Sony will subsidize this crap with Xbox being dead, and thinking anyone will be stupid enough to a $1000 console and a $800 handheld for AAA slop. Your shilling is getting retarded, thirdie.

>>714315050
Valve and Nintendo are fighting with each other, albeit indirectly. Via gamedevs. Nintendo needs to attract game developers to develop games for their consoles, but if nobody buys 3rd party games on the Switch 1/2 and prefer instead to buy them on Steam or some other PC storefront for cheap, why even bother with porting their games? There are already reports that the 3rd party launch titles on the Switch 2 have flopped.

>>714316874
There is no alternative. Xbox is dead and PC is a normalfag repellent.
>AAA slop
The highest selling games are normalfag shit and always were. You aren't living in reality.

>>714316981
>if nobody buys 3rd party games on the Switch 1/2
nintendo has sold better for 3p games in japan then the PS5 for years
>There are already reports that the 3rd party launch titles on the Switch 2 have flopped.
not true, at all

>>714316580
>a relative gives me the game as a present
>no idea what to expect
>the start is quiet eerie and romantic, not bad
>suddenly dark corridors and weird noises, with just a shitty flashlight to guide you
>the abandoned subway station with the the hands jutting out of the wall in one of the bathrooms
>the amusement park with the weird dude who kisses you because he read about it in a book and thinks friends kissing each other is totally normal
>the hotel full of ghosts

>>714316981
With steam's antijapan policies, they are at the point the PS4 was at after the snoy backstabbing.
They won't die today, but they will be irrelevant within the decade and they will be a mere AAAslop platform and nothing else.
If there's no competitor then PC gaming in general in the west may "die" and go back to being a niche hobby for nerds.

>>714317086
Normalfags are about to get pushed out of gaming. The future is Nintendo, Valve, and no AAA games.

>>714316981
Nintendo and Valve are different markets, they're not fighting each other at all, Nintendo sales to retailers, Valve sales to consumers, they have their own spaces.

>>714317314
That's literally just ONE tranny that lost, btw.

>>714317629
Sure they will anon

>>714317764
With snoy it was also "one" rogue employee, but the damage was deep and long lasting regardless.
Fewer and fewer JP devs are going to be developing primarily for steam when they can get months if not years worth of dev time killed on a whim.
Hell we are even already starting to see some devs like konami drop out of publishing overseas entirely unless it's extremely normalfag friendly shit like silent hill and MGS.

>>714302206
Fun fact, the only GTA game that has ever managed to outsell the big Nintendo games was GTA V, which has been re-released for the past decade on every console available (except NIntendo's)

>>714317985
reminder even that achievement is bullshit, jewstar constantly sells GTAV copies with bundled in shark cards as a better option to just buying shark cards directly with the same amount of money

>>714317870
They will pay 800+ to play Fifa?

>>714317870
Again, no one is spending $1000 on a PS6 or $800 on a PS handheld.

>>714317945
Valve recently stopped that employee due to being private, Sony is public and probably wanted that to happen so there was no stopping that.

>>714318737
>Again, no one is spending $1000 on a PS6
Source?

>>714318737
>Valve recently stopped that employee due to being private
source? proof?
where's the DT2 release on steam?

>>714310312
Ps6 and psp3 will be more expensive than the switch2

>>714318737
>people shit out 1000 bucks yearly for a shit iphone
>800 console that lasts 6/7 years is too expensive

i will never understand this mindset

>>714319328
Oh, so where was this tune when the Switch 2's price was revealed?

>>714319328
most people buy their iphones through financing options that let them pay it across said year while justifying it because a phone is technically necessary to engage with normalgroid life now

>>714318970
Sony isn't apple. Phone will forever be more status symbol than some wifi router at home

>>714319767
>Sony isn't apple
For gaming they effectively are at this point. Why else do you think they managed to get away with the PS5 Pro? Playstation has strong the strongest brand power in the industry.

>>714319950
To be apple you have to be profitable, which SIE very much isn't at their 6% ratio or something like that last time I checked.

>>714319319
you might be right (also the psp3 wouldn’t be sovl)

>>714318970
>S-Source
You sound pretty scared, thirdie. multiple insiders that knew this was happening with Xbox.

>>714319161
There were threads about it on /v/. I think it was some Hyperdimension game, but I don't know.

>>714319328
Phones are important, game console isn't.

>>714320069
>profitable
Compared to what? Xbox is dead lol. Their profits are fine

>>714320285
>multiple insiders that knew this was happening with Xbox.
So your ass then

>>714292751 (OP)
Which one historically plays the long game and (essentially) has a monopoly on the handheld market? Nintendo's brand is so strong that its fans avoid anything not developed by them.

>>714320168
Reminder the PSPortal exists.
This new handheld would technically be the PSP4.

>>714320396
I wouldnt even call the portal a handheld, it has to be tethered to your wifi or whatever it deems 'steady' for streaming

>>714320285
>There were threads about it on /v/. I think it was some Hyperdimension game, but I don't know.
Nep has been castrated goyslop since the tail end of the PS3 era and CH has only ever gotten worse since then.
Wouldn't surprise me if their newest game has zero fanservice at all.

>>714317314
>If there's no competitor then PC gaming in general in the west may "die" and go back to being a niche hobby for nerds.
CONSOLES MUST DIE

>>714320379
Nope, these guys have solid track records, they're stating that next gen will be expensive. Why do you think a PS6 using Zen 6 and RDNA 5/UDNA, or whatever they call the GPU is going to cost less or the same amount as the PS5 Pro? You're telling Sony, who makes less than Microsoft, to take a huge loss just for you, that's not how things work, and you know that.

>>714320613
Nintendo is still going to be doing fine.
I'm talking about a steam competitor, because epic ain't one and GoG is a refugee camp at best rather than a real competitor.

>>714320613
>and go back to being a niche hobby for nerds.
Meh, Pandora's Box was opened decades ago. We wouldn't be getting smaller high-quality games. Just even more ways to try squeezing money out of those who remain.

>>714320985
>We wouldn't be getting smaller high-quality games
PC is still getting them, I just want more

>>714321154
The switch too, especially if you exclusively use the JP eshop.
Nintendo single handedly saved the VN industry from dying.

>>714292751 (OP)
in Japan Nintendo, in third world Snoys, in USA it's a draw now that xbox users will transition to playstation

>>714321483
They will transition out of gaming; they run to PlayStation and the same results will come in 2027.

>>714320674
>stating that next gen will be expensive
The current gen is already expensive.
>You're telling Sony, who makes less than Microsoft
We are talking about their gaming divisions here

>>714321819
>two more weeks

>>714321328
>VN
>high quality games

>>714322060
Nekopara After is top tier gaming

>>714322060
>if it doesn't have high resolution facescanned dancing niggers then it's shovelware >>714316608

>>714321991
There is no future for high-end gaming, not for PC, not for Xbox, not for PlayStation, when a product is too expensive, it will not sell. The future is Nintendo and Valve.

>>714321925
>The current gen is already expensive.
Next gen will be unaffordable.
>We are talking about their gaming divisions here
Sony, as a whole, doesn't make as much as Microsoft, as a whole. If Microsoft is not willing to sell at anymore losses going forward, how do you expect Sony to sell at a big loss when they're not even primarily a gaming company? Prices are going up, not down. The PS6 will be more expensive than the PS5 Pro. High-end gaming is over.

>>714322304
At best there will be a scale back of AAA games

>>714322510
those niggers would rather die than optimize jack shit, look at ubisoft
you are far more likely to see the indies that bloated into the new AA devs bloat one again into full blown AAA like CDPR and team cherry

>>714292751 (OP)
Microsoft dying is good. It means Bandai and Sega might enter the ring. Bandai had to quit the console wars after Game Boy Creator Gunpei died in a traffic accident.

>>714322495
>Next gen will be unaffordable.
To third worlders yes
>If Microsoft is not willing to sell at anymore losses going forward
MS gaming is death by a thousand cuts. The pricing of their nextbox is the least of their worries.
>how do you expect Sony to sell at a big loss
By selling many consoles and making bank off of software and subscriptions, just like always.

Fags said the same thing about the PS5 being the end of "high-end gaming". Of course they were wrong.

>>714322510
They will ride and die with AAA

>>714322510
Been happening since 2018

>>714322656
Nobody wants to make console hardware anymore outside of peripherals, handheld PCs and retro consoles, it's a nightmare to manage and takes shittons of investement especially if you want to push for AAA titles on your console.

>>714321925
Sony dont sell hardware at loss since the ps4, It will not sell ps6 at loss

>>714322745
>To third worlders yes
To everyone, yes
>MS gaming is death by a thousand cuts. The pricing of their nextbox is the least of their worries
There won't be a next box, that will be a "console" on a chip that will be more expensive than the PS6. Sony's movie games and live-service slop will kill them.
>By selling many consoles and making bank off of software and subscriptions, just like always.
This isn't working anymore, their consoles are selling, at least the $450 ones are, but nothing else is.
>Fags said the same thing about the PS5 being the end of "high-end gaming". Of course they were wrong.
PS5 had competition, PS6 doesn't.

>>714323036
Not true at all
The only consoles not sold at a loss are Nintendo ones and the Xbox Series S after 2 years.

>>714322510
If you think this is on the table, you haven't been paying attention

>>714323036
This

>>714323138
Microsoft confirmed that the Xbox Series S sold at a $200 loss.

>>714323092
>Xbox
>Competition
Sony is competing with Nintendo and PC, not fucking Xbox.
Been like that since 2016-2017
Xbox is barely in their peripheral vision.

>>714323321
Read anon
For the first 2 years, they got cheaper to make after 2 years.

>>714323334
Sony competes with no one

>>714323409
What's the price of the Xbox Series S, currently?

>>714323508
>Sony competes with no one
Not true at all, they want several demographics even outside the moneymaking machine that is Sportsball niggery.
Just the fact that they're pushing so hard for live service shit means they're competing with third party AAA and PC live service games for example.
>What's the price of the Xbox Series S?
Around 400 dollars for the cheapest model.

>>714324025
PlayStation is losing everywhere, man, only their PS5 Slim is selling.
>Around 400 dollars for the cheapest model.
So, after Microsoft bump up the price, it stopped selling at a loss, got it.

>>714324225
>Losing
Nah, every retard is buying one for FIFA, COD and GTA6.
It's not doing as well as the PS4 for sure though, and hald it's success was most of it's initial stock being bought in bulk by scalpers.
In terms of hardware they're fine, in terms of software?
lol
Concord and Marathon are raping that company hard, plus they completely fucked any momentum they had with Helldivers 2.

>>714323092
>To everyone, yes
Okay Pablo
>There won't be a next box,
Due to screwing up for two generations
>Sony's movie games and live-service slop will kill them.
Wishful thinking at this point since their movie games are still making money
>PS5 had competition
What competition?

>>714324584
Yup, people who don't think the PS6's sales will be lower are delusional, it seems to be a trend.

>>714324628
>Okay Pablo
Did we Americans buy a $500-$600 PS3 back in 2006?
>Due to screwing up for two generations
True
>Wishful thinking at this point since their movie games are still making money
It's literally killing them and they cost too much to make
>What competition?
Xbox, that's why the price was the same, if Microsoft would have released a $600 Xbox Series Pro, the PS5 Pro would have been $600 as well but because Xbox consoles died, the Pro was $700 instead. Sony's really going to go mad on prices next gen.

>>714322745
>about the PS5 being the end of "high-end gaming"
it functionally is

>>714324628
>their movie games are still making money
Fuckhuge moneysinks with diminishing returns so expensive that they need to port them to PC to see some of the costs back.
>What competition
Nintendo and PC

>>714324709
Depends, Nintendos price gouging and lack of games isn't doing them any favours.
Sony could capitalize on that if they're smart, but considering they're incompetent commiefornian retarss now, i doubt it.

>>714325048
Nintendo has already sold over 5 million Switch 2's in a month, Sony can't capitalize on shit, it's over. Sony's fuck up was the PS3, they should have never challenged Microsoft on graphics, that was stupid.

>>714325286
https://xcancel.com/gibbogame/status/1940343248167584099?s=19
I stand corrected, the Switch 2 is selling way more than 5 million, it's over.

>>714325286
>they should have never challenged Microsoft on graphics
They didn't even see Xbox as competition back then, the PS3 was in development way before the 360 was released.
The issue was later as they started mimicking everything Microsoft did due to being the underdog.
>It's over
Not really, they're still the FIFA, COD, GTA and interactive movie machine.
They still have that niche, but it's losing steam to PC. ( no pun intended)

>>714324947
>Did we Americans buy a $500-$600 PS3 back in 2006?
No because the Xbox 360 was available
>It's literally killing them and they cost too much to make
Nearly all of Sony's big AAA games (GoW Ragnarok, Spider-Man, Last of Us, Tsushima) have been profitable with huge profit margins.
>Xbox, that's why the price was the same,
Sony stopped caring about Microsoft since 2013, they base their prices on market standard and consumer needs.
>that they need to port them to PC to see some of the costs back.
PC sales are paltry, they make back their money on console

>>714325710
Damn, so like Xbox, PlayStation was always doomed, damn.
>Not really, they're still the FIFA, COD, GTA and interactive movie machine.
Pricing man, pricing.

>>714325286
>Sony can't capitalize on shit,
Sony lost the handheld game a long time ago, they aren't interested in it anymore.
>they should have never challenged Microsoft on graphics,
It was worth it since they successfully pushed Microsoft out in the end like they did with Sega. Now Sony has a near monopoly on the home console market, like Nintendo does in handhelds.

>>714325726
>No because the Xbox 360 was available
If that happened then, why don't you think it will happen again when the Switch 2 exists and the Steam Deck 2 will exist at a significantly lower price?
>Nearly all of Sony's big AAA games (GoW Ragnarok, Spider-Man, Last of Us, Tsushima) have been profitable with huge profit margins.
They made less than their development costs.
>Sony stopped caring about Microsoft since 2013, they base their prices on market standard and consumer needs.
Why didn't they go by the rumored $600 price for the PS5 Pro and instead jumped that shit by $100?
>PC sales are paltry, they make back their money on console
It's going to be hard doing that not selling your console at a loss. The PS6 can't be weaker than the PS5 Pro.

>>714325984
>Sony lost the handheld game a long time ago, they aren't interested in it anymore.
Why are they even making one, they should just cancel that shit?
>It was worth it since they successfully pushed Microsoft out in the end like they did with Sega. Now Sony has a near monopoly on the home console market, like Nintendo does in handhelds.
>$700 PS5 Pro
Was it really anon, was it really?

>>714326218
>when the Switch 2 exists and the Steam Deck 2 will exist at a significantly lower price?
Those are hybrid systems with significantly weaker hardware. Switch 2 is literally going to be a port machine like the original Switch was while the PS6 will still be getting the latest games.
>They made less than their development costs.
Those games all break even within weeks.
>Why didn't they go by the rumored $600 price for the PS5 Pro and instead jumped that shit by $100?
Because they can. They are the Apple of gaming
>It's going to be hard doing that not selling your console at a loss.
Its guaranteed the PS6 will be sold at a initially but like the PS5 they will eventually make a profit
>>714326330
>Why are they even making one
It will be a companion piece to the PS5 a la Portal, not a full independent handheld like the PSP and Vita
>Was it really anon, was it really?
Seeing how the alternative was to let MS take their market, yes it was

>>714325975
Xbox was doomed because of Microsoft, Sony was doomed the second they started pandering to AAA slop eaters.
>Pricing
Normalfags will still buy it, most don't even have the brain power to set up the console, much less a PC.

>>714325574
I see the Zhuge profile guy is still coping.

>>714326970
>Those games all break even within weeks.
Didn't the Insomniac leak prove this wrong?

>>714327846
yep, but snoys keep sweeping it under the rug
it got so bad that asscreed shadows needed to be the best selling game of all time within a month of release to barely break even if we go by the numbers of how much the march delay cost them and extrapolating to how much time the game took to develop, and those are lowball estimates

>>714326970
>Those games all break even within weeks.
lol no, they're stupidly expensive, why do you think Sony is pushing for live service shit so hard?

>>714327997
I wonder how their games will be under Tencent?

>>714326970
>Those are hybrid systems with significantly weaker hardware. Switch 2 is literally going to be a port machine like the original Switch was while the PS6 will still be getting the latest games.
That's a good thing, those games made specifically for the PS6 will fail.
>Those games all break even within weeks.
Sure, they do
>Because they can. They are the Apple of gaming
Then you should expect a very very expensive PS6
>Its guaranteed the PS6 will be sold at a initially but like the PS5 they will eventually make a profit
It will be sold at a profit, Sony's not willing to take a loss now
>It will be a companion piece to the PS5 a la Portal, not a full independent handheld like the PSP and Vita
Again, what's the point?
>Seeing how the alternative was to let MS take their market, yes it was
And why they'll be joining Microsoft in the coming years.

>>714327265
>Xbox was doomed because of Microsoft, Sony was doomed the second they started pandering to AAA slop eaters.
Pretty much
>Normalfags will still buy it, most don't even have the brain power to set up the console, much less a PC.
Did they buy the PS5 Pro for $700?

>>714328613
More than the PS4 pro yeah, they're retards

>>714328613
>those games made specifically for the PS6 will fail.
Right just like all those games made for PS4 and PS5 failed?
>Then you should expect a very very expensive PS6
Not a problem for those not living in the third world
>Sony's not willing to take a loss now
They will because in the long term they know they will make money
>Again, what's the point?
To squeeze out some extra shekels, its not a huge investment
>And why they'll be joining Microsoft in the coming years
Microsoft made countless bad decisions. Sony so far only made one fuck up (Concord). It would take two generations of flopping for Sony to fall like MS.

>>714329397
It's selling worse than the PS4 Pro though, so there is truth to my statements.

>>714328118
>lol no, they're stupidly expensive, why do you think Sony is pushing for live service shit so hard?
They aren't and many companies have been chasing after live service games. Its too good to ignore

>>714329567
>Right just like all those games made for PS4 and PS5 failed?
PS5 games did fail though
>Not a problem for those not living in the third world
Ps5 Pro is selling slowly
>They will because in the long term they know they will make money
They're not because chips won't go down in prices and because of the failure of their first party games
>To squeeze out some extra shekels, its not a huge investment
It's a waste of money
>Microsoft made countless bad decisions. Sony so far only made one fuck up (Concord). It would take two generations of flopping for Sony to fall like MS.
Like Microsoft, they are making multiple. They're fuck ups aren't the same but a fuck up is still a fuck up.

>>714292751 (OP)
Nintendo already won when Sony started selling their games on Steam.

>>714300317
ENTER

>>714297460
Nintendo is mostly chasing trends these days

>>714315742
>(Mine is a unironic question, I'm legit curious).
Nintendo sticks to what they do best. Nintendo would be more than happy to let third parties fill that void and third parties would be happy there's less competition.

>>714325048
>Lack of games
>Month old console that released with the one game that will never stop selling
>Game number two out in 15 days

>>714326970
>It will be a companion piece to the PS5 a la Portal, not a full independent handheld
Then why is everyone calling Sony's second in a row Wii U knockoff a handheld? Because a companion piece is not a portable ps5 or 6

>>714315742
They wouldn't have to cause third parties would have to migrate to Nintendo and PC especially to make any money regardless if certain devs hold obvious grudges against Nintendo if they want a paycheck they are gonna have to swallow their pride and make games on their platform.

Sony will benefit the most from Xbox pulling the plug. Pretty much everyone has a Switch already. Those Switch owners eventually get the new one. With Xbox, the games are already on PS5 - they'll hardly miss anything. Xbox users could also pony up for a Gaming PC which is what Xbox seems to want to be anyway. For those who don't want to spend $2500 for an RGB lit mega computer, Sony will welcome those Xbox gamers with open arms.

>>714334265
Sony will benefit for this year and next but once 2027 hits, those benefits will go to PC gaming.

>>714333947
This, Nintendo and Valve or bust. Sony and Microsoft are no longer options.

>>714309137
>Fine, let's make a revolutionary console that will influence the whole industry
the we was a piece of shit you retard it was for the impoverished and the ultra normie

>>714335849
And motion controllers are an industry standard now, cope.

>>714332338
>One gane at launch
>Another a month later
Nintendo waiting race

>>714292751 (OP)
Playstation has cod which will always be the biggest normie game

>>714336509
Yeah, but it's been dying since Black Ops 2 with a slight resurgence of 2019 and Warzone which is also now dying even faster.

>>714336461
>one new exclusive game per month is bad!
Better than all other consoles put together, so you can at least admit Nintendo is better than them, right?

>>714325048
>price gouging
Switch 2 and its games are not expensive at all. Will you have the same energy when xbox handhelds are $700 minimum, right? You'll keep the same energy when ps6 costs $1k right? Oh right you won't because you're a deranged schizo

>>714337231
They already proved they don't have the same energy when it comes to the other two. Microsoft increased the price of EVERYTHING, including making their games 80$, and no one said shit. Meanwhile the Switch getting a price increase in Canada had everyone melting down

>>714335128
I wonder, if Sony and Microsoft really exit the race and it's just Nintendo and Valve for a while, how will that affect Nintendo's dev pipeline? Will the breathing room allow them to focus on their lesser served franchises like Star Fox and F-Zero? Or will they just keep things exactly as they are, since what they're doing is obviously working?

>>714337843
It won't, Nintendo and Valve don't really think much of each other except on innovation of handheld gaming designs. Both will be in their separate markets doing their own thing making a lot of money. The video game landscape will change with AAA dying though.

>>714292751 (OP)
Nintendo has enough money to keep the lights on for the next 100 years without doing anything at all.

>>714338824
>The video game landscape will change with AAA dying though.
Which will be very, very good for smaller studios. Seriously, we're on the cusp of a completely new industry, rebuilt from the ground up, and I can't wait to see how this one plays out.

>>714340553
The level of genres are going to explode to the levels we had in the 3rd-6th generation of gaming.

>>714292751 (OP)
I will be because I'm a gamer and I never lose

Bump

>>714294663
Bungie deal was hilariously bad

>>714329763
>PS5 games did fail though
Look at the top selling games and say that again
>Ps5 Pro is selling slowly
That is a luxery system
>because chips won't go down in prices and because of the failure of their first party games
They make money through their software sales and subscriptions
>It's a waste of money
I'm sure you know more than Sony themselves if something ia a waste of money or not
>they are making multiple
SIE would not be the richest gaming company in revenue if they were making several mistakes

>>714309137
>Following this logic, it should be the turn of the Switch 2 to flop
why do patternniggers always conveniently forget the nintendo handhelds with this cope?

>>714345348
>Look at the top selling games and say that again
PS5 games failed, what you gonna do about it?
>That is a luxery system
It sets the standard for the PS6 just like the PS4 Pro did for the PS5
>They make money through their software sales and subscriptions
They haven't been making shit off software since Microsoft bought COD
>I'm sure you know more than Sony themselves if something ia a waste of money or not
Clearly, I do since Nintendo and Valve was right
>revenue
Who gives a shit, revenue didn't save Xbox

>>714347972
>PS5 games failed, what you gonna do about it?
Which ones?
>It sets the standard for the PS6
The standard will be whatever the base PS6 will be
>They haven't been making shit off software since Microsoft bought COD
What level of cope is this?
>Clearly, I do since Nintendo and Valve was right
They aren't competing with Sony. Only MS was and they made bad decisions
>Who gives a shit, revenue didn't save Xbox
>who gives a shit about money