Thread 714329310

Fighting games are so ego crushing

i feel that when i see white girls with non-white guys. but, I just go back to gooning my tiny white clitty to interracial sissy hypno and white boi beatdowns

>>714329310 (OP)
Is this what high-level play looks like in modern SF? Doesn't look any different than playing SFA2 with your friends as a kid and just spamming fireballs at each other

>>714329517
Good morning saar

>>714329565
>platinum
That's about the same skill level you had with your friends as a kid, yes

>>714329565
if you used your eyes you would see both players are platinum rank and thats very low skill in sf6

>>714329565
>Is this what high-level play looks like in modern SF?
no, the deejay is sandbagging the noob streamer

I need the LTG vs T1 matchup

>>714329663
I haven't touched SF in 20 years so I know nothing about its rankings or anything sorry

>>714329310 (OP)
wtf meathead is playing something other than league?

>>714329565
>Is this what high-level play looks like in modern SF?
No, it's two noobs

>>714329310 (OP)
GAH DUU

>>714329615
Tryhard.

>>714329310 (OP)
At least there are no teammates breathing down your neck remotely.

>>714329913
I know nothing about the guy beyond gamer dent memes but yes he was playing exclusively modern SF6 for a bit

>>714329565
>high level
Are you gonna post the bot clip next?

he lost 15 games in a row

Sometimes I think about giving SF a shot and then I remember seeing a high level Aki in action and no thank you.
Even putting Jp's CBT obstacle courses aside, that bitch is like never minus, you can do nothing but hold it and hope you guess right.

>>714330651
You could try not being retarded.

>>714329778
Lost to a tranny then got sexually assaulted by it.

>>714330776
Found the aki player.

>>714330909
Nope, Kimberly. Never had a problem with Aki.

>>714330651
Aki is pretty mid and only ever meaningfully plus if you're poisoned. Like most characters her normals are almost always minus outside of drive rush.

>>714329310 (OP)
>Didn't punish that jump
He deserved that loss.

>>714330651
>>714330985
Actually I take that back. Poison doesn't affect anything while you're blocking. She is only ever plus on crouching MK or a couple EX specials. What are you talking about nigga?

>>714329310 (OP)
>>714330437
>Modern controls guile
Deserve it

>>714331236
the deejay was as sandbagging it, he realized tyler was bad if you see the previous round the deejay gave it to him, I don't know if tyler is good enough to realize what was happening

>>714330936
>>714330985
>>714331286
Nah she looks stupid and I'm not gonna play the game because of it.

>>714329310 (OP)
I want to go back to see if I can get Manon to master despite being fucking horrible at playing grapplers. I'm D4 so I'm practically almost there, but I haven't played in like 2 months.

>Guile in burn out, moving forward while having the life lead.

Deserved to lose.

>>714331381
So you made up a reason to be mad, got exposed and are now coping?
Pathetic loser.

>>714331381
She also isn't very popular but if that's what's stopping you then you do you nigga

>>714331541
Same here except Zangief. I mostly just play sim sim matches theser days.

>>714331605
I'm not coping at all, she looks retarded to play against.

>>714331236
>Gets into burnout
>No idea what to do against a double hitting projectile without EX sonic boom
>Deejay won't let him setup sonic blade
>Instead of jumping the obvious projectile spam for the win he loses his cool and keeps trying to win an unwinnable projectile war
Even if he punished that jump he had no idea how to play this situation in particular.

>>714331927
>i'm not coping
>still responding after getting BTFO

>>714330437
It happens, it's really easy to get tilted in fighting games and just not recover since there's very little down time and no teammates to take any weight off

>>714330437
>>714332226
kudos to him i guess. i would have stopped playing 5 losses in.

gyahahahahha

>>714330437
I am so glad I don't stream fighting games. Getting into a losing streak feels miserable and trying to play through it is even worse. Being stuck with an audience during it? Man I'd feel fucking suicidal.

>>714329310 (OP)
>modern controls shitter
lol gotem

>>714332376
Nothing wrong with playing a superior opponent and losing deservedly. Isn't it refreshing? No forced 50/50 sloppa to keep you on the dopamine treadmill, just honest fighting and playing to improve is all you need.

>>714333003
>No forced 50/50 sloppa
>
Anon...

I hope he doesn't rage quit this is really funny

>>714333057
Any 50/50 result in your match statistics are just a natural result of the game matching you based on your skill level. If you stay stuck you'll start to notice the game matching you against the same people in your region over and over, which just means neither of you are actually improving.

"50/50 sloppa" I assume refers to team based matchmaking games where the teams are so obviously stacked no single person's skill can overcome it. I've played Overwatch and experienced that shit a lot and fighting games have never given me that sense of frustration.

>>714333057
fighting games don't have forced 50/50

>>714335465
>fighting games don't have forced 50/50s

>>714335465
Throw or strike anon.
Call it.

>>714335829
>>714335650
not the 50/50 I was talking about

>>714329310 (OP)
>playing as Guile
deserved
>Platinum
let me break out the world's smallest violin for you senpai

>>714335954
You were.

>>714336043
no I wasn't

you guys need to start releasing good games

>>714329310 (OP)
>Modern Guile
>Keeps trying to setup the cross instead of burning meter to install and spam mini
Oh no wait that's Tyler, now I understand what he was thinking.

When are the 10 more pages of buffs for Ryu and Ken coming? They are still too weak. Barely reach C tier. I don't feel catered to enough yet. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Coming in second or lower in 50cc Mario Kart too. I might need to see a therapist.

>>714332530
>>714333060
>can't do basic move
>platinum
what a joke of a ranking system

>>714338448
it keeps playing with the dunning krueger

>teehee i'm so good i'm platinum guise!

meanwhile actual players have like 100k points and sweaty people have 800k

>>714330051
be sure to mind the train tracks and jaguars today and go easy on the curry slurry, you don't want to stain your best sequin parachute pants again

>>714338448
If you can do flash kick antiairs and jump around like a maniac you can easily reach plat.

>>714339405
Is that why everyone I verse online jumps around like a sperg?

>>714335650
You say that like the mental stack of blocking a drive impact, reacting to a throw bait, AND flipping a coin on wake-up isn’t its own kind of 50/50. Fighting games just dress the coin toss in swag and footsies.

>>714330437
>>714332612
>>714332376
I've lost 50+ times in a row to the same faggot on an arcade cabinet in a single night before
now I'm good enough to go back and forth with him
fighting games aren't for bitches

>>714339836
If you can't antiair they're just going to keep jumping, and most people can't antiair for shit.

>>714340293
That's fine, it's when I'm playing ranked and I'm losing constantly that I start to get salty. If I hit 5 or more losses in a row, I'm logging off.

>>714340572
only bitches play ranked
real niggas play games that don't even have ranking systems

is this a fighting game thread or a streamer thread

>>714340572
I don't see why you would do that, losing ranking in fighting games doesn't mean shit and matches are so short so it is whatever, in mobas though, 30 minutes of getting buttfucked I can't stand

>>714340543
I air throw them every time and they keep doing it.
Kens seem to love jumping themselves into the corner.

>>714340613
>too scared to have a rank

>>714340293
>now I'm good enough to go back and forth with him
https://youtu.be/hUIGYdFj2bY?t=577

>>714340726
I can handle losing. I just can't handle losing streaks. It gets me salty and I will play worse so I'll just take a break instead.

>>714340726
Not him but it's not about ranking, it's about avoiding getting tilted and deciding to ragequeue until you get a win.

>>714341007
in fighting games losing leads to improving though, it is not like in a moba where a loss can be completely not your fault

>>714333057
lmaoooooo, I too thought he was about mixups but then I realized he was talking about engagement based matchmaking slop from call of duty

>>714340792
That's what you call the casuals that just use muscle memory rather than brains. They get the habit of jumping cause it works on other casuals without knowing why it works.

>>714340916
literally me on a versus city

>>714340572
You just need to learn to focus on your own ability and not on the meaningless rank numbers. The worst part about modern ranked matches is that you can't chat with your opponent easily but viewing every match as an opportunity for growth and not some end-sum of your abilities is essential for enjoying the genre.

>>714340937
>I'll just take a break instead
That's a perfectly reasonable response, and we all do it. Despite all my preaching above I tilt sometimes and log off, but that doesn't define how I play the games.

>>714340889
>go play sf6 in a bar
>absolutely rape everyone
>faggots constantly asking me what my rank is
doo zoomers REALLY

>>714341479
>make up story on 4tran
>too scared to have a rank

>>714341479
>beat up a bunch of joes who don't know what a DP is at a barcade
>boast about it

>>714341561
what's your fightcade?
let's play right now

>>714341682
Sorry fightcade has ranks, you can't play.

*jumps right back into Ed's range*

modern guile is so funny, why not just play classic? don't you still need to charge booms

>>714341782
>dodging
HAHAHAHAHA

>>714342672
You dodge ranks yes.

>>714332530
T1 is an animal, watching him practice for that AT&T tournament was sickening. His general feel for doing things at good timings is fair but the fact he didn't bother to try and learn a single thing outside of going off of instinctual modern mashing let him get to Plat is a great example of how shit SF6 is.

>>714342552
he is too stubborn to play classic, or learn frame date, or learn the lingo (like he gets mad when people say shit like sLP or cHP he wants people to say "triangle" or "square"), he refuses to turn off autocombos, he refuses to lab and so on, he is just too stubborn, he thinks he can brute force this like he did with chess but it ain't happening

>>714342919
he is hardstuck already at the same place he ended as ken during the AT&T tournament

>>714342919
>"get to Plat"
Plat is the last rank you can't fall out of ever. It's impossible to LEAVE Plat

>>714343271
I thought you could go back to gold.

>>714343406
Yeah you're probably right, but the win bonuses are so high at that point that you just have to sandbag to actually fall out of platinum

>>714343406
You can, happened to me.

>>714342919
naw SF6 generally is fine I think, the online ranking system they have is shit though because it basically doesn't actually begin until you hit Master

>>714343271
understand the ranks are lifted up in 6, it's part of the problem. I'm not amazing at fightan, 4800-5300 BP in SF4 back in the day with Claw-Dictator and Gold in SF5 with Mika, but I was edging over from Diamond into Master rank in 6 before I got fed up and stopped playing. The system mechanics are just completely belligerent.

>>714340692
Streamers are integral to fighting games

>>714343593
Fairly sure plat is when a win and a loss have the same points.

>>714329310 (OP)
you'd think all that natural talent that makes him so good at league would transfer to other games

>>714345824
league doesn't have charge inputs because it's a good game

>>714346092
just hold downback for 40 frames lil bro

>>714340613
bold take but the rank is not important, it's just a means towards having a game.
>click ranked button
>get game

>>714342452
Look Im dogshit at this game but you had at least two anti airs there you could have easily hit.

>>714346170
nothing would happen since you need to charge for 45 frames

>>714345824
He plays braindead champions like annie and illaoi in league, he doesnt have the reflexes to react to a sweaty akuma shimming his ass

>>714329310 (OP)
>Slop Farter 6

>>714346515
Oh hey it's you. Can you post the Kimberly edit next?

>>714346515
You could at least make the "stream overlay" move believable

>>714346515
Holy fuck Tokido is COOKING.

>>714342452
>play modern
>can't land anti air
I've seen other streamers for that jam slam thingy do better and actually get in master

>>714329310 (OP)
That's a good thing. Fighting games filter casuals pretending to like games

>>714346670
those people actually try to learn the game and get coached to help them learn

>>714346515
Ryu is looking pretty weak here. Needs another 4.5 pages of buffs, I reckon.

>>714346642
Fuck. We need the fgo fighter.

>>714329310 (OP)
God awful fps, how do you retards do it?

Reminder this is the average lol player, theres is no way 2xko will appeal to them

>>714347946
Not true, this is an above average League player.

>>714329310 (OP)
I love seeing guilefags getting btfo at their own game

>>714346807
He was also previously in a slam wasn't he?

>>714348043
beats me, I haven't watched the past few

>>714348016
Imagine the average then

>>714348024
guilefag here, we do not claim this bald manlet playing modern guile as our own

>>714346515
THIS GAME IS SO UGLY

>>714348150
Hey thanks for posting the edit finally.
Been wondering why I haven't seen you posting.

16 CHARACTERS THEY ALL PLAY THE SAME,
IN THIS MICKEY MOUSE PARTY GAME

>>714348209
Anon that is a screencap from that webm, 12 seconds in.

>>714348297
Yeah and it's edited.

>>714348337
I don't believe you.

>>714348149
You seem cool, but it's an old grudge sorry. The only good style of guile is one that loses.

>>714348382
You can see the texture is intentionally stretched.
https://youtu.be/SxvYAIVJXag at about 2:30 in this vid is what it normally looks like

>>714335650
>Thinks Tekken is forced 50/50s
You're nothing but a fighting game pretender. You want to know why mid attacks crush crouching attacks? It's because Tekken doesn't have jumps like 2D fighters do (high beats mid, mid beats low, low beats high). That's not 50/50's, that rock/paper/scissors. Also, high attacks for the most part in Tekken are your fastest and safest moves, which make them your best openers when applying pressure.

>>714348959
Man.

>>714348983
Somebody hasn't played season 2.

>>714348590
The only people who hate on Guile are scrubs and pros who downplay the broken shit they main. The amount of crying about him despite not winning a single tourney that matters since the game has been out is hilarious.

>>714349090
As someone who doesn't watch or participate in tournies, I couldn't give a fuck. I just like seeing people break through their flow charts and whoop ass.

>>714332530
>Still need to charge and multi direction input
Why not just play with classic control?

>>714349019
Dude spammed his shitty edit for over a year same with the webm using a layout from a SFV tournament.

>>714329310 (OP)
>t1 using MODERN
t1 beta as fuck

>>714348983
You are a retard that has no idea what he's talking about about and has not touched or heard anything about Tekken 8.

>>714332376
weak

>>714340889
>thinking an arbitrary number matters more than what is actually happening

jesus, zoomers really are a cattlebrained slave caste

>>714341782
>loudmouth on /v/ dodging an open challenge
every single time

>>714349862
>>714349967
If the number is arbitrary, why does it scare you so much?

>>714346807
> actually try to learn
then they wouldn't be playing on simple controls then

why does everyone idle in fightcade

>>714351165
is there no throw tech in street fighter or is it just really difficult to pull off?

>>714351691
There is.

>>714351657
One of the best players in the highest non-coach division is a modern Luke player.

>>714351691
The window is small enough that it's not feasible to do on pure reaction. So if you go for it and it gets shimmied or something you giga die.

>>714351691
Throw teching in Stree Fighter has always had the shortest timing out of any fighting game I've played. It's 9 frames in SF6 which means it's well into the realm of being impossible to do on reaction. You gotta hard commit to gambling on a throw tech, but then if you eat the meaty strike or you whiff because they shimmied you're gonna lose 50% health on a slime combo.

>>714351691
On reaction, no. If you're at the wall you have 2 options
>Tech the throw
or
>Block the swing
If you guess right, then it's fine.
If you guess wrong, eating a throw is substantially worse than eating a swing that they can combo off of and likely kill you.
So even top level players will get throw looped because it's a case of getting to guess again or lose.

>>714352041
>eating a throw is substantially worse than eating a swing
I didn't double check my post, flip that.

Why not drive reversal?

>>714329310 (OP)
T1 has a high as fuck rank in chess that not a lot of people can even think of reaching so he has the potential to actually get good at fighting games
What's frustrating is that he refuses to take any tips you need to get past walls in SF, plat is exactly how far you will go just banging your (bald) head against the wall

Tyler juices.

>>714352213
If the option your opponent goes for is shimmy/bait invincible reversal they'll block your DR and get an 8 frame punish, which is pretty good for most characters.

>>714352389
He's not shimmying though, just jab into throw.

Is Marisa's anti air really that bad? I like playing hard hitters like Paul and Slayer but she seems like the only character like that in SF6.

>>714352478
>He's not shimmying though
But he could. At the end of any one of those throws he could instead of the empty jab, shimmy expecting you to wake up and do a reversal. And if you lose that gamble, you die.
This is an entire subgame of conditioning and
>Will he do it again?

>>714351691
Throw techs in sf6 is on prediction, not on reaction

>>714352546
Yes she has no "go to" anti air like a DP or something, it's all situational
If you don't like doing jank like air to air to anti air someone then she ain't for you, her damage isn't even that high for someone with so many flaws just play terry or some shit

So you're telling, the equivalent of Challenger in LoL and Chess, is being Platinum rank in SF6..

>>714352820
Plat is barely a rank in SF6

>>714352294
Fighting ganes are different than chess, chess is just pattern recognition of a board that uses the exact same pieces every game. Any character in street fighter has at least 9 punches and 9 kicks to be accounted for, each with unique properties and that is before you get to inputs, target combos, supers, ex moves and so on, and thats not even accounting for yur reaction time and being able to reclgnize the animations. He will not brute force his way in like he did with chess because it is just impossible

>>714352820
its the wall before diamond that is the wall before masters

>>714329310 (OP)
>Have a life lead
>Try to walk forward as guile.

>>714329310 (OP)
This guy's baby looks like a mixed race mutt monkey

>>714353725
Of course it does, look at Tyler.

>>714351681
They keep it open so it shows up as their discord activity so all their friends will think they're a hardcore fighting game player

>>714342452
shouldn't he play cammy or some shit?

>>714354440
>platinum players are in the 88th percentile of the SF6 community
>Platinum is a nothing, bro
>Ranked doesn't even exist until Diamond or Master
>Legend is the new Master, scrub
I hate the FGC and how utterly disingenuous everyone is. So fucking much.

>>714329310 (OP)
I still haven't turned on Granblue after getting destroyed a Zooey player with them allowing me to put their health to near zero without touching them once after they started to play. Holy fuck.

>>714357516
You can get to platinum losing more than winning.

>>714357638
That is a flat out lie

>>714349256
probably because he relies on the auto combos

>>714357939
You gain more per win than you lose per loss before platinum.

>>714358046
Nigger, if what you said was even remotely true, I would have been platinum eons ago. Seeing as how I just reached Gold, and I've been playing since release day, you are officially full of shit, and your mother officially sucks dwarf cock. And no, 49% win rate doesn't count as "losing more than winning", you pedantic little shit.

>>714358134
It is true though.

>>714358183
It isn't. Categorically.

>>714357516
left side of the chart is SFV
plats are top 40-20% in 6 which i would personally call "a bit better than average, on the way to advanced"

and yeah, people at all skill levels are completely disingenuous because they don't know what the fuck statistics are

>>714357638
>>714357939
this is also correct.
you can get to master with a sub 50 winrate, as long as said winrate is consistent.
obviously if you had a 47% winrate in bronze and then finished with a 47% winrate in diamond 5 it means you improved. it's just a weird quirk of the system due to LP not being a zero-sum game and winstreaks being a thing

>>714358134
>49% win rate doesn't count as "losing more than winning"
yes, yes it does

>>714329913
dude even started playing chess like a year ago and reached gm lol

>>714358235
Wrong. I crunched the numbers. I totaled everything. Platinum players, when combined together, equal the top 22% of players who are concurrently playing right now. Ergo, they're in the 88th percentile.
>as long as said win rate is consistent
This isn't a philosophical debate, Einstein. You either have a positive win rate or you don't. Consistency wouldn't factor into it.

>yes, yes it does
No, it does not. That means you're constantly on the cusp of having an equal win/loss ratio. If someone like me (win rate that's around 30-40%) isn't promoting, then the assertion that you can "promote even if you lose more than you win" is not only false, it's misleading and pretty much sophistry.

>be fightan' devs
>wants to get the casual audience
>make it have simple inputs
>makes a tag fighter with assist mixups, ToDs, and degen buttons

What is this brain damage? Are they afraid that their games will be seen as shallow if it was 1v1 so they add fluff?

>>714358428
considering you not only fucked up a 2 digit subtraction in your calculation, but also objectively wrong about basic english semantics, on top of being kind of shit at the game, i won't engage you further

>>714329310 (OP)
projectiles in fighting games were a mistake

>>714359041
I'll be here waiting for actual substantiation to any of those conclusions you pulled from your sphincter

>>714358889
MK1 fumbled the ball so hard

>>714357601
Zooey was establishing dominance

>>714358889
MvC was dead and everyone decided that THEY were gonna fill the niche…only for Tokon to be announced and bulldoze everyone aside.

Is DSP actually good at fighting games by normal people standards?

>Tyler1 succeeding at chess, moba but failing at actual deep skill based 1v1 genres (RTS and fightan)
Watching him getting filtered from games like wc3 was CINEMA. He reminds me of average /v/ermin hack getting filtered by rts and fighter games. Go back to your team vs team slop kids.

>>714360213
if DSP can get tournament result, THAT MEANS YOU CAN DO IT ANON, YOU CAN GET GOOD AT FIGHTING GAMES

>>714358889
Riot is obsessed with statistics, analysis and perfectionism which is why all of their games instead of being made for fun are instead overengineered "engagement products" that are made by meticulously dissecting other games to try and sew a Frankenstein monster out of them to appeal to maximum amount of people. 2xko was dead on arrival because they had no ideas or identity of its own for it, just a giant pile of things that should be good in vacuum but absolutely do not work together. Same shit that happened with their card game - all those dev logs that said they watched mtg and hearthstone closely to avoid the same mistakes only to produce garbage.

>>714354440
>Silver in SFV is equivalent to Platinum in Dix
LMAO
I knew this shit game was a parody of Street Fighter but I didn't know it was THIS bad.

>>714360346
Didn't he abuse some janky port of SF2 that got added at the roster at the last minute or something

>>714360894
5 is the actual outlier, where everyone from the dog that did a hadouken once and slightly below average shitters got compressed down into bronze.
6's distribution is much closer to the expected bell curve

I'm masters on 9 characters in granblue AMA

>>714361436
Is one of those characters a Sheep?

>>714360283
He got absolutely reamed in CS thoughbeit.

>>714359426
Tell me what's 100 - 22?

To be fair, 100 - 22 SHOULD be 88
It just makes sense

dudes just throwing fireballs at each other is based. that's how you played fightan gaems with your friends as a kid. no meta, no autistic meta-knowledge about technical shit, just mash that fireball button HADOKEN-HADOKEN-HADOKEN . If you're feeling bold run up and start punching.

>>714329310 (OP)
It's the only genre of vidya I rage it

>>714329778
Whats the actual deal with this dude? Is it an act or is he really that retarded?

>>714361649
No she's bottom1 it's impossible

>>714360213
he can at least get master in 6 with several characters, that's enough to body 80% of the average joe off the street.
he does decent combos and has pretty good antiair DP. he just mashes on defense 24/7

fighting games are only fun if you and your buddy who dont know how to do 90% of the moves are playing in his parents basement in between sessions of grabass

>>714362057
No, he's not a character, he's really just a stupid asshole. He's got criminal convictions for burglary and people in the tourny scene have said for years he's a surly asshole in-person

The point people need to understand that even if they get double perfected or whatever to not tard rage or get visibly salty,fightans are games and should be treated as such.
People making fun and bantering over their win/losses adds spice to the game
>but what if someone goes overboard with insulting irl
sure go ahead and slash their tires idc like all things in life there are limits
t.fightan and tcg fag in locals

real question: why does everyone here always pretend they're top tier at every single video game?

>>714362708
Literally perfect amount of fat.
Oh, yeah, and what you said is true I guess.

>>714329310 (OP)
Deejay player's movement tells me that he isn't actually platinum

>>714363000
Most "platinum" players spend 90% of their time playing in casual because they're too scared to lose their platinum status.

>>714351931
>Throw teching in Stree Fighter has always had the shortest timing out of any fighting game I've played.
in rivals of aether 2 it's 0f

>be told that fighting games are the apex of skilled pvp gaming
>look inside
>it's just endless forced 50/50 guessies and reaction checks
Never again

>>714362778
I don't. I only play SoulCalibur and I'm not even very good at it.

>>714364280
that is only the case when you reach the theoretical mastery of a game (literally never happened) and by that logic fps and rts are also 50/50 solved genres

>>714364280
>>it's just endless forced 50/50 guessies and reaction checks
..only if you play Tekken

>>714360213
>normal people
normal people are mashers. DSP would probably body the average redditor or /v/ poster but he's a lot like LTG in that the second something doesn't go his way he crumbles.
If you're having trouble in a FG you can instantly improve your winrate by making an active effort to stop thinking of your opponent as a scrub or cheap or the game as unfair or whatever. When you get hit or lose a round, make an active effort to avoid beating yourself up over it. Both DSP and LTG lack the ability to do this.

heres official list of things that should be removed from all fighting games
1. plus on blocks
2. spammable RPS moves
3. 1 frame links
i only play granblue btw

>just characters jittering jumping crouching back and forth in a line
These games look visually retarded as fuck and I don't care how hard it is to do any of this. It looks as stupid as chivalry and mordhau ballerina camera movements. I'm sorry for having shit taste, but there's a point where tech and gameplay in the name of high skill ceiling just start to look stupid.

>>714365014
I too want attention.

>>714363825
Seems you're confused, not only have I not played Rivals of Aether 2 but it is also not a fighting game.

>>714363000
He was sandbagging and platinum isnt high, he jumped that sonic boom because he saw guile miss input flash kick the entire round, if you watch the entire game you see that the deejay is a cat playing with a mouse

crazy how much sf6 ranks mindbreak anons

>>714364879
>plus on block is replaced with massive pushback
>spammable RPS moves is replaced with strike/throw
>1 frame links is replaced with delayed 1 frame links/windows
kino

>>714364879
What's a "spammable Rock-Paper-Scissors move"?

>>714365787
I would assume anji's rekka at least in strive, I don't know how it goes in overture.

Street Fighter 6 is less a fighting game and more a checkbook balancing simulator. +2 here, -1 there, press jab here to drive rush and +6. And it doesn't even have throw invulnerability so it's like not having insurance on your home or your car.

Dogshit fighting game.

>>714366395
>And it doesn't even have throw invulnerability
it does.
a whole frame of it

>>714365787
>>714365965
exactly that, and leo's stance overhead/crossup i guess
and in granblue it's stuff like seigfried's ORKAN (22x)

>>714366685
I think the saddest/funniest thing was when two people on earth would try to get around 3f active meaty throw setups by canceling their 5f jump startup into a special move on the last TWO frames to actually punish the throw, so Capcom said "WOOOAAAAHH BUDDY, CAN'T HAVE THAT" and just made throws last theoretically forever if the opponent is in prejump, until they leave prejump.

The design of this game is beyond pathetic.

>>714351916
I don't care, use normal controls.

>>714365264
>gives you boner while pressures you with her fans
how is this slut allowed?

>>714329310 (OP)
How many projectile variations should one character need?

>>714340293
>beat person consistently
>they start to learn my patterns
>i cant learn theirs
being a retard sucks :(

>>714364509
SF6 is nonstop 50/50s too. Everything else is fine though

>>714365965
Nah the overhead is reactable

>>714369980
it is until it isnt

>>714364879
First two things are in grubble doe

I only play modern

>>714329778
This dude got man boobs.

>>714371520
i know

>>714365179
>but it is also not a fighting game.
Why not?

>>714371821
why

>>714371520
it even has some 1f links with how theres no buffer on dashing, i remember sandalphon's m earth projectile into dash h being that

>>714329310 (OP)
Why does Deejay have meterless double fireballs now?

>>714377357
They decided to make him a strong character for once. Good move desu

Is fatal fury dead already

>>714377997
Always was

>>714365965
In +R I can definitely react to the overhead followup. Fuujin isn’t safe to spam since it loses invuln before startup finishes so active moves beat it before he can get to the followup.

>>714329565
>high level play
this is someone who started playing like two weeks ago

>>714329565
Platinum in this game is the equivalent of Silver maybe early gold in SFV.
Anything outside of master maybe late diamond is casual.

Remedial game for yolo urbanite rogs

>>714381314
LTG go take care of your kid you bum.

>>714358428
>Platinum players, when combined together, equal the top 22% of players who are concurrently playing right now. Ergo, they're in the 88th percentile.
Wouldn't that be the 78th percentile

>>714358134
>Seeing as how I just reached Gold, and I've been playing since release day
have you ever considered just thinking about the things you do in matches

>>714358134
>Seeing as how I just reached Gold, and I've been playing since release day, you are officially full of shit
Jesus Christ, what's your playtime?

>>714348983
Update your game and then get back to us

>>714377997
Yes Andy just got added and the game has boggardilion new players and doesn't even need to go on discount on steam sale

>>714335650
tekken is a refurbished ps1 party masher, not a fighting game

>>714366265
>wakeup grab
This game's for kids holy shit.

>>714386837
So I've been hearing about every game that isn't SF2

>>714329310 (OP)
That's unironically what makes them good. Same for any high level competitive game. It makes you introspect and push harder to become a better version of yourself to enjoy a game more.
t.pro boxer and also high level awbw player

>>714387143
how else are supposed to tech a meaty throw

>bronze is actually bronze
>silver is actually silver
>gold is actually gold
>platinum is actually platinum
>diamond, master, and grandmaster are appropriately high ranks
>stone...
this game's Elo / ranking system was really refreshing after getting mazed by SF6's system.

>>714387498
meaty throws shouldnt be a thing

>>714389314
You can thank Street Fighter 4 for bringing that bullshit. God damned gonzo-brained design choice.

meaty throws are based and wakeup throw protection is shit

>>714390110
Agreed, defense is cringe and doesnt generate hype

>>714381314
trvth nvke

>>714338747
He's obviously joking around, but your assburgers prevent you from reading shit like that. He considers platinum players in League dogshit at the game and he is just flipping it around to get people to laugh.

>>714390249
>Let's force constant aggressive micro-mixups
>If you try to tech the throw you take punish counter damage
>No, you're not allowed to punish the throw if you know it's coming

Anything above gold/plat is pathetic. Video games should be for fun, not sports.

>>714390756
If you're gonna go for a really hard read, backdashes are throw invincible which means you can backdash on wakeup to get a punish on the throw. Of course you'd know that if you weren't a penis enjoying nogames faggot who would have at least touched a fighting game in his life.

How about you play REAL street fighter 1 sequel

>>714390773
Just having a functional frontal lobe is enough to get past Platinum

>>714381938
43 hours

>>714390110
this is the same kinda faggot who will complain that DB FighterZ didn't have 50/50 hoe check incoming tag mixups like Marvel 3 after characters were KO'd. no, that shit wasn't cool, and it needed to go.

>>714390991
>you can backdash on wakeup to get a punish on the throw.
Incorrect! If you backdash a meaty throw, the frame data works out so that you only really get a slightly advantageous mixup and not an actual punish. You'd know if you spent any time in training mode.

>>714347415
sorry anon, french bread wanted to make one but nasu told them to scrap it in favor of lumina
maybe you will get your wish in 2028

Which fighting game let's me pound my opponent with my cyborg bbc

>>714392438
killer instinct

>>714390773
The game pushes you to Master rank with as low as a 40% win rate, perhaps even lower than that. Rank is meaningless in this game. All you do is learn one combo, one or two safe pokes, and the game will place you there eventually.

>>714347946
>theres is no way 2xko will appeal to them
the point isnt to attract lol players, they are leveraging the lol IP to make a fighting game for people that dont know lol

>>714352820
>the equivalent of Challenger in LoL and Chess, is being Platinum rank in SF6..
thats not how that works

>>714392796
Who are those people?

>>714392982
sorry, but i just CANT respect ASSFAGGOTS players at all..

>>714392695
I have a 50% winrate in sf6 and im platinum
Though i havent played ranked in several months.

>>714329310 (OP)
This game looks clunky and slow like MK11. Is it? Did they do the same kind of thing to it?

>>714393175
look i didnt say it was a good idea, just that its what theyre doing

>>714393713
No.

>>714352820
he's a ranked grinder who refuses to sit down and study his SF6 matches
skills don't transfer between fighting games and other genres so this is what you get

>>714393713
not even close

>>714393239
>ASSFAGGOTS
Now there's a word I haven't heard in a while.
Kek

>>714329310 (OP)
That's what makes them good.

>>714391571
bretty sure it depends on the character and the throw loop

>>714397018
That's not a meaty throw. In any case, why is the only way to beat throw with a hard callout on frame 1? Why do all the options cost meter? Terrible game design that exists solely to distract from the fact that movement and pressure is stiff as fuck.

>>714379879
Fucking retard

You could never get around off me in sf4

please watch sajam slam (tm)

I've bought BBCF, what am I in for

>>714399684
you didnt though stop pretending

>>714399796
True, I pirated it first

>>714388827
Too bad the game's kinda ass and the servers are worse.

>>714400028
so that would mean you know what game is like and wouldnt ask what are you in for
stop lying

>>714399404
those chipotle quesadillas are a fucking scam

>>714399404
>my fellow gamers

>>714329778
I got into his lobby on SFV, and he rage quit and blacklisted me after I won a single round. Guy is unbelievable

>>714400278
Nah I only pirated it just now

>>714401052
you wouldnt download a blazblue

>>714400754
thats what you get you yolo laggy streamsniping bum why are you playing like its evo and you arent even subbed to me find glory in life somewhere else

Drive system sucks.

crouch tech: yay or nay?

>>714399404
Why did THAT particular company get its claws so deep into fighting game event sponsorships? I don't get it.

>>714403062
crouch tech is way too strong

how do i play her?

>>714362057
No, he's just like this.

Post your SFV rank

Street Fighter 6 is a joke. The balance updates are dictated solely by the top 1% of Japanese players. And only the Japanese. This essentially means that unless you play one of the handful of shotos present in the game, you're SOL. Same shit, different number on the title of the packaging. It happened in SFV, and now it's happening in SF6. Win/loss ratio means jack shit. Do you want to know the real fast track to promoting in this game? Win streaks. The real "life hack" to Master or Legend is basically
>win against one opponent online
>deny the rematch unless you're 100% you can win again
>get that streak as high possible to faze any future opponents into thinking you're the next e celeb tourny pro
>watch as you soar through the ranks and realize how rigged every thing is
>rinse, repeat until the win streak bonus is lost at whatever rank that shit ends

>>714406716
Ended on Super Diamond but it was also the first fighting game I properly learned.

>>714406937
Happens with almost every game. Retard devs are more like spreadsheet monkeys, no work all oogling.

>>714357516
The "FGC" is 90% people who are just fans but hardly play. The other 10% are the streamers making bank off the 90%.

Why is a 'meaty' throw even a thing anyway? When two people are grappling, the guy lower to the ground has the advantage because of their lower center of gravity.
Imagine grabbing someone by the collar as they're getting up, what's the worst you can do to them? Help them stand up quicker? They're gonna be pulling you down instead. It's dumb as fuck from a realism standpoint too.

>>714406937
cry more whitu piggu

>>714408021
You mean the same way you cried to Capcom for months until Ryu got five pages of buffs you soulless bugman?

anons, what are some fighting games that are similar to sf alpha 2/3?

>>714408276
Breakers Revenge?

>>714408398
>Breakers Revenge
that is actually the one i did see and thought it looked fun to play

>>714408507
It is fun, very free form as well
I'd also say give Darkstalkers a shot if you haven't already

>>714408847
haven't tried any of the darkstalkers but it definitely looks like something i'd enjoy. i wish the more modern fighters felt as crisp and responsive as the late 90s 2D fighting games did

>>714408276
Those two games aren't even similar to each other.
To answer your question, SF EX2+

>>714329310 (OP)
Projectiles don't belong in fighting games

>>714365787
>>714365965
>anji's rekka
He's -7 on low, -15(?) on high which doesn't combo and the other two options are reactable. He's got a lot of bullshit but his rekka is sensible.

Elphelt's rekka is the most spammable one, being safe on block, can go for a reset/throw and still being able to cancel into the followups on whiff. This thing is fucking obnoxious.

>>714369980
It's barely reactable, but what helps is the color variation of it.

>>714410058
wrong

>>714330437
>>714332376
he played 1500 league games on ivern (a boring retard support type character) in one month when he was hardstuck in gm and wanted to make challenger, 15 losses in sf is nothing compared to that

Play Chun-Li.

>>714411868
It won’t look like that in game

>>714412956
yeah I agree, her body is a bit nerfed in the art

>>714411868
shes like 50 year old

>>714413039
No I mean she’s fucking ugly in SF6 and looks like a hideous caricature

>>714413239
Oh my bad I didn't know that you were retarded

>>714379879
This graph is very, very old. Master was over 10% last I checked, and that was like 6 months ago

>>714329778
this dude reminds me of Frank Miller
Everyone praised him when they thought he was just an act, but as soon as they found out he was actually a retarded man-child they turned on him.

SAD.

>>714411868
I do in SFV, where she's hot as fuck and has a dozen costumes to satisfy my dick.

>>714329310 (OP)
recorded some jamie matches so my boy could watch me stream the other day.
https://www.youtube.com/live/UWtNr5udrCA?si=UxD9CFnU3_ohwsJu

>>714329310 (OP)
>so ego crushing
is that bad

>>714329565
Street fighter and other fighting games in that style are literally made for retards, there is 0 complexity in these games because the majority of the time you're just playing a neutral footsies battle. That's also why fighting games aren't popular.

DB games are the only fighting genre games I'd ever play and there hasn't been a good one since 2017. Grim.

>>714348150
this bitch's design looks so racist
i love it

>>714413318
>refuses to show front shots of her face because she looks like a bug
lmao
>>714414043
>the majority of the time you're just playing a neutral footsies battle
Stop pretending like you know what you’re talking about. SF6 has the least amount of neutral in the entire series

>>714414043
fighting games aren't popular because most players suck ass at them and at best mash buttons

>>714414332
Yep. Bugface.

>>714343271
>>714379879
>>714413384
What kind of retarded ranking system does this game use? When I played Starcraft 2 each league was set to have a certain percentage of the playerbase (except Grandmaster, which had 200 players) and you could fall all the way from rank 1 GM to the bottom of bronze league.

>>714414469
Sure thing.

>>714414493
Every character has its own rank
You get placed according to your results after 10 matches, also based on your highest rank across all your characters
For example if you have a character in Master, you cannot be placed lower than Diamond 1 on other characters

Rookie to Diamond are ladders that you will climb as long as you have 50% winrate
Rookie to Gold give extra points for winstreaks
Platinum and Diamond only give extra points starting from 10 match winstreaks, giving pretty much a full "sub-rank" per win (eg. Plat 1 > Plat 2)

Master rank is the final rank which is no longer a ladder, you get placed at 1500 Master Rank, which is then reset every couple months
You cannot go out of Master

>>714413059
good

>>714414043
>neutral footsies battle
What does this mean to you?

>>714329310 (OP)
what's wrong with the Guile retard? Isn't Guile supposed to be a zoner?

>>714416580
Anything that isn't a shoto or rushdown is problematic by post-pandemic standards

genre for 35 year old trannys

sub 1300 master is more shameful than gold

>>714416580
he's in burnout which means he takes chip damage and extra blockstun, so he probably feels like he has to get in and finish killing him
he's just playing like shit, Guile is very solid in SF6

>>714417161
enough about platform fighters doe

Wanna know what my problem with Fighting Games is? They’re like Blitz Chess, you need to make game-changing decisions, read your opponent and create tactics in a matter of seconds. I can’t fucking do that, if you can then I have a huge respect for you, truly, you’re much more intelligent than I, but I’m just too low IQ to make accurate decisions in like 2 seconds or so. It’s just too much for me. I wish there was a “slow” fighting game where you can think for like 30 seconds or so before making a move, that would still be hard for me but more doable than the high speed fighting games we have today.

>>714419098
>if you can then I have a huge respect for you
I can't.
I more or less come up with a general gameplan and then execute it in not quite auto-pilot but something closer to a flowchart than a constant evaluation and reevaluation of my options.

>>714419098
>They’re like Blitz Chess
Fighters wish they had as many potential moves as chess. What they actually are is Blitz RPS, behold the NEUTRAL TRIANGLE. You really only have three categories of things you can do at any time and one will always counter what your opponent is doing.
The optimization of what to do exactly within each category to be optimal is different and certain characters will favor leaning into different points of the triangle, but overall if you can internalize this concept you can play fighting games at a level to have fun with them even if your execution is awful (aka me)

>>714419098
It's more about prediction and pattern recognition than outright reaction.

>>714413239
>>714414284
>>714414469
It is genuinely amazing how they fucked up such a perfect design. It is an absolute miracle that Mai looks like she does when fucking everyone else looks like dogshit.

>>714419859
I have to assume Mai is one of the few characters to not get outsourced to jeets

>>714368641
>Why is he using the control scheme I don't like?
Cry about it.

>>714419098
bro im just pressing buttons that tl:dr section at dustloop told me to press its not rocket science

>>714329778
he is so relatable, probably the only black I do not hate

>>714420001
Probably.
I REALLY wish Cammy and Chun-li had been spared but that ship has sailed.

>>714419098
the trick lies in the fact that the process of decisionmaking isn't conscious. Nobody is thinking with intention at that speed.
What's happening is these players
1. Know that interactions in fighting games fall into several broad categories, basically they can see the big picture
2. They've drilled their various responses enough times that swapping between them becomes as effortless and instinctual as possible

>>714419740
It’s not that simple. For instance I was just watching Jiyuna analyze a BBCF match where a guy was delaying his lows in order to prevent the other guy from fuzzy guarding. How the fuck do you think of that in the middle of a match? How the fuck is the opponent supposed to realize that in a matter of seconds and just adapt and create another gameplan to deal with it IN A MATTER OF SECONDS? Fighting games are full of those micro decisions you have to make at all times, it’s not a linear thought process “oh he did that then I will do this”, no, you have a bunch of options and you need to think of what’s the best one for that moment, I just can’t do that in such a short span of time.
>>714419796
Yeah, but predicting and adapting to your opponents moves in a matter of seconds is extremely fucking hard.

>>714406937
>Street Fighter 6 is a joke. The balance updates are dictated solely by the top 1% of Japanese players. And only the Japanese. This essentially means that unless you play one of the handful of shotos present in the game, you're SOL
That's just fighting games. You deal with Japanese devs, you get this behavior.

on just the aspects of fighting, are there any DoA games that are actually great and worth playing/learning?

>>714420770
>For instance I was just watching Jiyuna analyze a BBCF match where a guy was delaying his lows in order to prevent the other guy from fuzzy guarding. How the fuck do you think of that in the middle of a match?
Delays are incredibly common in anime games, it's one of those bread and butter offensive techniques like tick throws or shimmies
>How the fuck is the opponent supposed to realize that in a matter of seconds and just adapt and create another gameplan to deal with it IN A MATTER OF SECONDS?
You just know what's possible in advance in this case, eg. jumping out, mashing a light or doing a reversal

>>714362057
He's black. That should answer your question.

>>714421297
he has peanut butter complexion though

>>714420770
>How the fuck do you think of that in the middle of a match? How the fuck is the opponent supposed to realize that in a matter of seconds and just adapt and create another gameplan to deal with it IN A MATTER OF SECONDS?
through practice, literally
you know that shit shounen protags do where after three seasons they can sense presences and micro dodge lethal attacks and shit, its the same thing

>>714422148
How do you practice? You just stay in training mode repeatedly doing the same moves over and over again until they become muscle memory?

>>714421096
DoA 3 and 5 for playing

>>714422368
you learn your bnb, a meter combo and a "more damage" combo
you go and play anyone that will give you games
if you get stomped you ask for advice, record your games and study the flow of the match (your decisions, why you did X in Y situation, what mistakes, what could have been better), some weirdos will even sit in vc with you and go over the match
if you dont know what to do against something ask for advice and/or test answers to it in the lab (sometimes youre just shit out of luck)
play consistently and eventually youll get better

>>714420770
>How the fuck do you think of that in the middle of a match?
>think
You don’t. You are way overthinking it and besides at your level people aren’t going to be fuzzy guarding

>>714414469
I think you just really don't like the way asians look so the moment she started looking more asian or like a different kind of asian it sets you off.

Why is fighting games the only genre where people avoid the indie alternative to the big titles? Like, with Smash you have Brawhalla which is insanely popular, with League of Legends you have Dota 2 which is insanely popular, with Counter Strike you have a bunch of smaller options that are all insanely popular, but with Street Fighter 6 for instance there’s no indie alternative that’s popular, people actively avoid indie fighting games and just play whatever crap Capcom releases next. That’s some slave mentality shit.

>>714422368
Oh fuck no. You learn 3-5 basic bnbs and then start playing. This is why picking a game with enough players is important so you have enough people at your level to play against. Just remember to internalize the NEUTRAL TRIANGLE and keep it in the back of your mind while you play. But don’t overthink it or try to be super optimal. You really don’t need it at this stage and frankly you won’t need it for a long time,

>teaching a newbie to flowchart right off the bat so he can quit 1 month into playing
DELIGHTLFULLY DEVILISH

>>714423058
Nah she just looks like shit along with every other character in the game not named Mai.
To be fair Street Fighter has been pretty ugly since 4. Chun-li in particular was hot in 5 but she looked the best in Alpha followed closely by Third Strike

>>714423531
jive was fucking beautiful nigga stfu

>>714408276
touhou hisoutensoku

>>714423745
lol lmao even

>>714423151
Any yearly release sloppa like sports games and cod. The dynamic with fighting games is different though.
Here the reason is the genre naturally has a low population relative to more mainstream stuff. It's also extremely demanding on low latency stable internet. If you play a game with a small population you very quickly end up playing barely playing anyone at all, so it's easier to just flock to what's populated.

>>714423151
>indie alternatives
>examples from some of the biggest publishers on the planet

>>714423691
Jive looked like clay most of the time and male characters in particular were hideous. The women were acceptable to great except for Juri who was pretty bad.

>>714423151
Weren't there use to be things like mugen and touhou fighters? Nowadays, not so much.

>>714423151
Brawhalla is a lowest common denominator *insert x character from literally whatever* platform game that feels like shit(not even smash fuckers wanna play that since the main reason to play smash is Nintendo characters) and why are you calling dota a fucking indie alternative?
People play street fighter because there is nothing else like street fighter. People may SAY that whatever indie/alternative retardation being made is like SF but it absolutely will not be. The same way Tekken players aren't gonna just play some garbage someone suggests because they are mad about Tekken 8 like vf or doa because why the fuck would you go from a series that you like for specific reasons to another that plays completely different, has none of the characters you like, and has none of the reasons you played or picked up the initial series.

>>714423151
A) You’re retarded
B) Fighters can survive on much smaller populations than most other multiplayer games due to being 1v1. When that is taken into account there are plenty of fighters that are alive right now. I’d say it’s easy to get matches of:
>SF6
>Tekken 8
>Guilty Gear Strive
>MK11
>MK1
>Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising
>Dragonball Fighterz
>Guilty Gear Accent Core +R
>Blazblue Central Fiction
>Under Night In-Birth 2
>Street Fighter Third Strike
>King of Fighters 2002
>Marvel vs Capcom 2
>Street Fighter Alpha 2

>>714329778
>cat in background
cute :)

Games are better when they don't look realistic.

>>714400754
You probably some goddamn Mexican wit a shitty internet connection spammin the same brok ass easy mode combos as everyone else on some lame ass top tier character, get a life scrub.

>>714424342
Except GBFVR is actually SF6 but better in every way. Other than that you’re right I’d rather play Alpha 2 or Third Strike or even SF4 than most other fighting games.

>>714329778
LTG vs DSP happened at one point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt-9LgAmP90

>>714424818
No matter how many times this retarded, bbtag loving, dnf duel shilling, willing to excuse anything because of a certain style board compares that literal snorefest to SF it will never be like SF. The 1st granblue, sure maybe. Rising, fuck no not even if we use sf6.

alpha 2 barely works from mechanical standpoint

>>714424818
SF6 is much better than that crap.

>>714424818
you granblue fuckers are hilarious, it's like under night subhuman passed on the downplay torch

>>714425342
>>714425985
>>714426075
>the dixfags shriek
Cope

>>714426495
this post is just like SF but better

This is our war
Street fighter four

When is SF going 3D?

>>714424496
Blud put alpha 2 on alive game list as if we wouldn't notice

>>714426075
It's honestly so much worse with these fags because EVERYONE who plays ANYTHING will give the natural, from the heart opinion of the game being too fucking boring compared to anything else in any fighting game thread on this fuckin site but they'll still go
>why do people keep calling it boring
>hey atleast we aren't *insert game that is still better*
like they live in a perpetual field of delusion. Shit is the dumber to strive's dumb while still being less interesting somehow.

>>714426930
never, they're on top now why would they change?

>>714424496
mk11 has most of its players in either solo modes, local versus or private lobbies

>>714427041
I forgot to mention the calling everyone parrots part but still you get the idea.

>>714427041
Strive is much shallower than GBVS.

>>714427061
To make more money

>>714427375
In Grand Poo, you can use links. In Street Fighter, you MUST use links.

>>714427564
Did you see any mention of Street Fighter in my post?

>>714427375
Yeah ok bud. To be quite honest they are genuinely very near equally shallow with strive being like 10% less so.
>>714427475
You are stupid.

>>714427375
it literally isn't and Strive is the worst fg of the last decade

grubble won by a lot

>>714428012
CLEARLY, you haven't played dnf duel, bbtag or Tekken 8. Or worse you think any of those 3 are good.

>>714427915
>System mechanics in Strive are meaningless outside of roman cancel and burst
>Characters are all extremely dumbed down from their previous games
>The high damage and the wall destroy any form of space controlling and resource management
Where’s that 10% more depth?

>>714428012
But Strive came out this decade...

fighting game for this feel?

>>714428923
Tekken pre 8, now you find the trashbags in the beginning

>>714428923
Dix
If you make an effort to ignore the horrendous character models and the shitty music to check out the game underneath, you find out the gameplay is garbage too.

>>714429110
How so? If you can’t give an actual in-depth answer then don’t even bother replying.

>>714427737
Yes, because you made an obvious typo. No one would be dumb enough to claim that even a lobotomized Guilty Gear is shallower than Grand Poo.

>>714428261
meaningless how? If you're talking about the defensive ones they're not you just can't throw them out willy nilly and expect anyone with a brain to not know how to deal with or bait them.
Those dumbed down characters are STILL requiring as much thought as most of Rising's cast at the absolute worst
And how the fuck does high damage and wall destroy space controlling. Resource management sure though positive bonus is retarded even if abusing it is fun.

>>714428261
>System mechanics in Strive are meaningless outside of roman cancel and burst
This is how I know you're full of shit and didn't play it.
FD is the most important defensive mechanic, backdash is also great although it can be called out with delayed buttons
IB/IBFD are difficult to pull off in random pressure, but IB gets you new punishes or lets you interrupt with a throw, and IBFD gives you a lot of room to get a whiff punish or just leave. You can do either of them on wakeup without much risk, and in true blockstrings they're completely risk free.
Deflect Shield lets you negate high/low mixes, and can be OS'd as a way to deal with left/right mixups. It can also completely destroy some extended pressure.
And most of all, everyone is still complaining about Wild Assault despite it getting nerfed a lot

>>714428923
Every single Nether Realm game

>>714428923
literaly every anime game
you just mash iad in neutral to get close then do your flowchart pressure and then you fucking do your boring 999 hit combo that gets tiring after having to do it for millionth time

>>714427006
You can find matches on fightcade it’s enough for me goddamnit

>>714430378
IADs are so shit. Literally just drive rushes but even more free

>>714427041
Because no one ever has any actual criticisms of the game outside of muh 66L. Hating Grubble is a meme

>>714430378
>>714430690
just anti-air nigga lmao

>>714428012
Strive is actually like the third best fighting game of the last decade which is why fighting games fucking suck right now.
If you unironically prefer Dix to Strive then you’re a nog, sorry.

>>714430881
>anti airs in games with air block
lol lmao my friend

>>714430378
TRVKE all anime faggots just know how to do their comborinos and have 0 footsies or fundamentals go watch sonicfox or leffen play street fighter lmao

>>714429440
NTA but SF6’s offensive structure is completely fucked up. The game’s primary system mechanic is one of the most overpowered system mechanics I have ever seen. It completely paves over character specific options and forces everyone into the same strike/throw mix. Now plenty of games are strike/throw primarily but SF6 has the *strongest* strike/throw I have ever seen. Drive rush as a pressure tool allows you to force someone to the corner after winning a single interaction and the lack of throw protection + tiny throw tech window makes escaping a pure guess situation. Guess right and all you get is a reset. Guess wrong and the top 15 or so characters do so much damage off a stray touch in the corner that you’ll lose 70% of your life.
It’s fucked up the same way Tekken 8 is fucked up. Perhaps not quite as badly but the main difference is that Japs embraced SF6 and keep that game alive while everyone rejected T8 post-season 2

>>714430690
And animetards really sit there and wonder why Strive made air dashing way worse lmao

>>714379879
>Platinum is the equivalent of Silver
Most people under 1600 MR couldn't even get into Silver. Nobody can hit confirm without drive rush in SF6.

>>714430378
just play characters that can't airdash, it's more fun

>>714426930
When fighting games lets you have mostly free movement when attacking and lets you adjust the trajectory of your attacks while performing it like in real life.

Bonus: every player must constantly adjust their center of gravity to stay upright.

>>714414284
>SF6 has the least amount of neutral in the entire series
Does it change his point that SF as a series is neutral and poking "footises", though?

>BUT YOU HAVE TO USE SLIME RUSH TO GET IN NOW THAT'S DIF--
Shut the fuck up. That's still footsies of a different color from Neutral.

>>714414469
Correct.
Not even Chun-Li's creator like SFVI Chun Li and her classic costume is just putting lipstick on a pig.

>>714429440
Not the other anons but if I knew i'd be working my ass off to hit 1700 MR just to find out unstoppable 50/50 situations due to lack of defensive mechanics is the permanent meta then I probably wouldn't of wasted my time.

>>714432004
Imagine the chaotic meta that develops in mind/nerve-linked VR when people are freely to experiment with all sorts of bullshit when they don't need to care about factors like pain or perma-lethality

>>714432327
bro you have that boxing vr game you can go play that

>>714432221
Yes? SF6 has not fucking footsies because of the absurd corner carry you get from slime. Strike > slime > strike > slime > throw is the gameplan for the entire cast

>>714432221
>That's still footsies of a different color from Neutral.
So it's not neutral.
Glad we agree

>>714432262
It's kind of funny how Akiman is the only one from the original team that hasn't bent the knee to post-SF6's aesthetic.

>anime fighters?? kek im not playing them id rather stick to honest down to earth fighters with actual fighting game mechanics
>SF6 GOT DRIVE SYSTEM AND TEKKEN 8 HAS HEAT SYSTEM IN THEM?? YABADABA DOO ILL HAVE WHAT IM HAVING
why normalfags are like that?

>>714432221
Fucking STRIVE has more footsies than SF6. You can like the game as much as you want but it isn’t a neutral game and plays nothing like any SF game before it.

Whats wrong with wall breaks? i dont want to be raped in the corner and wallbreaks reset neutral

Give me your definitions of "footsies" and "neutral".

>>714432675
Because whatever legitimate reasons one could have to prefer Street Fighter or Tekken do not actually matter to these people. It’s just brand loyalty.

>>714329565
Guile is a turtle character, no reason to play into his game.

>YOOOO DOOD IS THAT GUY SPAMMING LEFT AND RIGHT WHILE THROWING OUT BLASTS?????????????????
HOLY FUCK THIS SHIT IS COMPLEX!
Fighting game niggers are TRULY subhuman

>>714432807
Guile slime rushes his way over, climbs the stairs, and send Mario flying before Mario has time to react

>>714432952
mario would skillfully check drive rush in neutral like pro gamer though

>>714431724
Your post summarizes most of my thoughts about this game's offense

But I'll add it's also incredibly skewed in favor of characters that have good lows, it makes a very weird neutral structure.

Against characters that have a cancellable one, it's borderline impossible to walk in their crouching medium kick range because there's a decent chance you'll get clipped and put in the corner. And even if you block it, you'll be dealing with a mix.

Then against characters that don't have a cancellable one, there's barely any risk, because they simply cannot get a combo at the range it's most effective in (unless they magically single hit confirm it which most people can't).

>>714430378
>>714430690
>There was a secret technique that counters IAD corner mixup in Melty Blood that was kept hidden for like FIFTEEN FUCKING YEARS until the player finally revealed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRAIsk27Fp8

>Has 3x more defensive mechanics than Dix
>Somehow still considered bad because... it's just is okay?
Why?

>>714432665
I really wish I could read Japanese so I could see whatever he tweeted about that over the past 2 years.
I KNOW he would not just say it outright because he's still Japanese but holy fuck, imagine watching your perfectly crafted character turned into the fucking horrid SF6 version.

>>714433290
worse matchmaking
bad lobby
worse QoL
filled with trannies
questionable balance decisions
otherwise solid game though, i had more fun with it than SF6
oh yeah, and fuck the wall

>>714433290
Wall splats are gay in every fighter. NO EXCEPTIONS.

>>714354440
>i would be master in SFV now
Nice, I actually improved then, because when SFV ended I was stuck in super platinum

>>714433374
>>714433412
I forgot about the fucking wall breaks, im glad they at least buffed the positive bonus you get for breaking it

>>714433290
Season 4 is incredibly lame, even more than season 3
Still the best modern game on the market

>>714345824
One thing I'll say is that nigga's autism is something else. He'll legit brute force until he accepts mechanics.

He played like 2K games on fucking Ivern to learn Jungle. He played Chess for like a year and got way higher than anyone expected doing the same fucking openings. Most people would straight up give up on that shit, but Tyler legit keeps fucking going until his grog brain is forced to accept it.

>>714432768
It's more that certain characters can still win the round after eating shit, but the problem relates more to the characters themselves.
I baited a burst, then broke the wall twice against a Potemkin, and that motherfucker still had built 100 Burst, 50 Tension after the second one and now had room to fuck me over and because I fucked up breaking the wall without the super.
Also, the animation is too fucking long

>>714433661
>Tfw we'll never go back to Season 2
fuck WA and fuck big bodies

>>714425070
A few years ago LTG had a run of getting really mad because people kept calling him "Chocolate DSP" lmao

>>714340293
>playing VF REVO
>finally enter the 'upper ranks' where match is a major increase or decrease in points
>keep getting paired with a Kage
>go from almost ranking up to nothing because I keep getting paired with him
>lose to him six times back to back
>7th time comes around
>finally beat him 2-1
I took that victory and went to make dinner feeling good about myself. I need to go through Eileen's moves again and commit them to absolute memory because it's only going to get harder from here.

>>714424568
I can't tell if you're just shitposting, but I hardly think FANG counts as top tier.

>>714425070
that's not a real video, it's just a well made edit

Is KOFXV still worth playing? That game has such cool fucking characters, I really regret not learning it at its peak…
>>714434234
How hard is VF5 to learn? Is it easy to find matches on Steam?

>>714433661
I still feel like S4 had the right idea in some cases, like Nago, Baiken, I-No, Leo or even Zato's
It's just they also did giga-retarded shit with Goldlewis, Ram, Sin or fucking Potemkin that completely sour the rest of the patch

>>714432807
Footsies are done to test distance, reactions and finding ways in. Done with kicks.

Neutral refers to a state of the match where, from the perspective of moves, no one is at advantage nor disadvantage.

>>714434469
I'm not even mad about the big body or Ram or Johnny buffs
What I'm mad about is that they've left the game like this for more than half a year

>>714419098
Fighting games are absolutely not for intelligent people lmao. It doesn't take brains to be good at one. Just some surface knowledge and base instinctual stuff ("reads")
No video game requires intelligence to be good, frankly.

is it true newest samurai shodown has no online?
or even anyone in the neogeo ports lol

>>714434847
Try playing Starcraft II then.

>>714435193
SamSho '19, you mean? Can't speak for Xbox but the PC is dead. Guys on /vg/ say there's still a decent amount of Japs on the PS4 version but you have to be playing on weekends.

>>714435352
not anon but most RTS require having high APM to win, not intelligence

>>714435562
You need intelligence for good APM.

>>714399404
No way this guy is doing actual ads on Twitter.

>>714434567
>What I'm mad about is that they've left the game like this for more than half a year
Yeah same, I expected a mid-season balance patch with Unika and as a result I'm just playing random characters lately
I think it'll come along with the ranked mode, probably in august, at least that's how I'm coping
>I'm not even mad about the big body or Ram or Johnny buffs
Ram and Pot has become too fucking braindead for me to ignore their buffs, I have not played a single enjoyable match against either of them yet

>>714435648
Disgusting, doesn’t he know Twitter is owned by a fascist?

>>714435352
Starcraft is gookclicker nonsense. It is fundamentally the same as fighting games, all the base stuff is the same, you still win based on reads, good execution, the games are mostly solved otherwise. Intelligence barely matter at all, its all good execution and instincts once you do a little bit of research. Same as fighting games, you're just researching build orders instead of wakeup games or optimized combos.

>>714435687
Ram and Pot are both braindead but I sort of saw the vision, Pot specifically just needs his s4 kara compensation buffs to go. It's breathtaking how retardedly easy it is for him to route anything into a HKD into guess for game

>>714434451
>How hard is VF5 to learn?
Virtua Fighter is easy to learn, difficult to understand. The game only has three buttons: punch, kick, guard, with every other button you map being a combination of Punch + Kick or Kick + Guard depending on what you feel you need. Where things get rough is understand your character and how they interact with other characters. It's one of the few fighting games where weight is actually a factor in how you approach certain match and you can't just happy go lucky launch someone like you would in Tekken. A number of characters have stance changes, some have counters or unique ways to shift their positioning so you'll whiff attacks even when normally they'd be dead on, there's numerous variables at play in every match.

Having said all that, it's arguably my favorite 3D fighting game series, and a lot of it has to do with the fact that everything HURTS. There is almost no damage scaling in VF, if it's there at all. When you get hit with something it's going to take chunks of your life away and the round will be over before you know it.

>Is it easy to find matches on Steam?
Fuck no. Everybody that was happy about 5's (yet again revival) bailed, and the Tekken crowd that threated to leave because of season 2's bullshit went back to fucking Tekken because they realized that VF and Tekken are leagues different from each other in every way. It's why I'm glad it's releasing on newer consoles with crossplay, to get some more blood in the ocean and off their fucking PS4s.

>>714434306
This is really funny out of context

>>714430378
>anime players can't neutral in any grounded footsies game with REAL neutral they'd get destroyed
>WAIT NOT LIKE THAT IT DOESN'T COUNT

>>714435939
Pot absolutely did not need +10 Slidehead, Blue WA, armored HFB or even a fucking HP buff. Even without the karas some of his buffs were obnoxious, while he was really fine at the end of S3.

Ram on the other hand got reworked from having good corner pressure and overlapping Testament's niche to now having god tier pressure anywhere on the screen and doing Test's thing even better than before.
Not only the way she was reworked is retarded, she also got a bunch of tools she didn't need. She's just a blatant case of waifufaggotry.

SF6 is utter trash.

SFV is utter trash.

>>714435715
If that was the case then those games wouldn’t have any competition since the person who practice and knows the most would always win, but that’s not what happens at all, every match depends on the intelligence of the player.

>>714433290
Did they add a proper ranked mode yet?

>>714436798
SFIV is trash

>>714436915
Having good reads is not related to intelligence. And execution + good reads wins basically every competetive vidya out there.

>>714437020
sf4u shits on both of them

>>714437082
How is it not? If you’re dumb you won’t know how to read your opponent at all? That’s an skill that comes with intelligence, being able to read people, adapt and counter them on the fly is a trait of intelligence.

>>714437135
Hence why it's just trash.

>>714436798
SFV may have been trash, but it had:
>6 character Seasons
>you could buy characters with in-game currency instead of real cash
>plentiful costume support
>the Costume Code Easter Egg, which basically 0.5x'd the number of costumes in the game
>no BattlePass
>no Premium Season Pass (all SF6's 'Premium Pass' features used to be included in the standard SFV Season Pass)
>no Modern controls
>no way for your opponent to choose your costume for you
>no Ad Hub
So I still prefer the more generous and player-considerate trash can.
SFV >>>>>> SF6

>>714437403
>no way for your opponent to choose your costume for you
I don't play SF6, you mean the thing where they don't have to see your cosmetic bullshit if they don't want?
How is that possibly a bad thing?

>>714437403
SFV wasn’t trash at all in its last 2 years, I dare say it was actually the best SF game even.

>>714437226
If you wanna go ahead and call guys like Punk geniuses because they win at video games, then lol go right ahead. I'm sure he's about to revolutionize physics or something any day now.

>>714436569
Yeah when I saw that I laughed. Imagine going for the rage quit immediately like that

>>714436635
>arcfags took this seriously
lmao

>>714430378
maybe you should play a good game

>>714437786
>posts the biggest IADsloppa shit ever
ok buddy

>>714437717
Why do you think he’s dumb? Because he’s black? Do you know how he’s like outside of videogames? Do you know if he has a major or not? You’re just assuming a lot of things about him from some 20 minutes videos of him playing Street Fighter. Even if he doesn’t have higher education that has nothing to do with raw intelligence, the point is that if Punk tried to study physics he would probably be successful in it since he has the intelligence to succeed in fighting games.

>>714437942
>this is what sfnogs actually believe
If he played Melty Blood I might believe it because he’d have enough autism for it. But he played SFV into SF6. Remedial.

>>714437786
God this looks like fucking dogshit. Animetards really think this is good?

>>714437786
>neronigger just jumping and spamming B and ciel has to perfectly anti air everything and respect his buttons and the best conversion she gets is like 2k dmg
clown game

>>714437942
You've clearly never been to many tournaments if you think they're full of genius level IQ people. I like how you default to racism accusations like some kind of reddit faggot too.