>Stop Killing Games needs to do a fund raiser to hire lobbyists and lawyers to make sure that when it gets to the EU parliament there is enough people with money bags to make sure it passes correctly, stopping only after it gets the signatures would be lazy

just stop with this lame meme. nobody actually wants all multiplayer games converted to single player.

>>714345928 (OP)
Yes and good on him for calling out Ross for not giving 110%. If he wants to change the video game industry as a whole for the better, he can't just pussyfoot about it. The signatures are only the beginning, not the finish line like Ross thinks it is.

>>714346072
3/10 b8

>>714346153
this is so fucking gay. when did this place become r*ddit?

>>714345928 (OP)
Isn't that the guy who slandered grapheneos?

Ross isn't a legal guy. It took him 3 years to figure out how to do his taxes. Someone else he trusts would have to do it

>>714345928 (OP)
>rossman
>hey goys you need to hire a lobbyist and give him all your money *WINK WINK*

>>714345928 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games needs to do a fund raiser to hire lobbyists and lawyers
Nah, Ross will do something about it. He's supposed to.

>>714345928 (OP)
in other words - it will achieve nothing
because corporations WILL hire lobbyists and lawyers to make sure it goes their way

>>714345928 (OP)
louis is based and so is ross
>>714346072
you are never going to fix your reputation thor

>>714347090
>muh ecelebs

Lobbying on crowdfunding is a loser's game
Unironically raising "awareness" is the best thing Ross could've done. Normalcattle not being accepting of live service garbage one way or another is a good start.

>>714345928 (OP)
Yes, literally everything Rossman said is true.
If you turn back now while you have all the attention and all the support would make you the biggest pussy alive.
Fund some money. Make a real change. Your fucking rent doesn't matter here in the grand scheme of things. People will gladly pay dor that.

>>714346674
His criticisms of grapheneOS weren't really wrong though. If the guy running your project is a schizophrenic nutjob, can you really trust it?

True but are the fans of those e-celebs going to follow through or are they going to flake out when they realize that laws take hard work and time to get passed? People are on the high of dunking on pirate software, they haven't really though ahead of what comes next. It would be bad if it collapsed upon its own hubris.

>>714347352
Do you seriously trust a non-schizo to do an adequate job in developing a security focused OS?

no one cares
thats why you lost and jews won

Make two funds
1 fund is for skg lawyers
2nd fun is for him to be able to pay rent and hire full time editors

>>714347459
GRRM is a stupid faggot and it's a good thing that he's so lazy and thus provided From with so little material.
>Millicent is a complete nothing of a character
Kill yourself.

I have no idea. I'd be happy to support a nonprofit about this and wouldn't mind Ross pretty much never making videos again to focus on this, but at the same time I also agree with Ross that there's not much more his involvement can do for the initiative since as far as I know he already does have more knowledgeable people working on it.

I'm really looking forward to part 2 and his stream with Ross. I hope they can get some good resolution out of it.

>>714347352
>If the guy running your project is a schizophrenic nutjob, can you really trust it?
Yes and only then

>>714347730
>It won't get 500k
>It won't get 700k
>It won't get pass
>It will pass but it won't matter
You are here

>>714347838
good job, nice post, excellent work

>>714347875
A mentally sound person has sex with women and touches grass. He's not going to be developing any kind of software for free, let alone a security focused OS. You're actually being an autistic moron expecting otherwise.

>>714347876
they wipe their ass with petitions daily
and software companies do hire lobbyists and lawyers which you never will

>>714345928 (OP)
Holy shit 763k views on this speds video covering the subject.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_5WIzkM0r8

Better late than never but this is why it's getting big numbers for the initiative, all these Youtubers with a massive audience finally pulled their finger out and made the call to action.
Also fuck Piratesoftware he's a dickhead.

>>714345928 (OP)
Wait you mean I have to do more than the absolute bare minimum?
Man fuck this I'm out.

>>714345928 (OP)
oh so its a grift now
the long con
F

>>714348198
New jeet cope

>>714348124
you did not comprehend his post

>>714345928 (OP)
you gotta full ass it, someone needs to tell ross that he needs to find someone else or raise money to hire people to keep this movement alive within the eu.

>>714345928 (OP)
if the funds are actually for something concrete like a lawyer to stand before the EU and talk the dispassionate jews ears off in there until they shut up and fork over the new status quo I think that would make sense. Before the success there is no concrete reason for Ross to collect money and he doesn't want to grift. Hiring this kind of proponent and fight for hire (((Weasel))) could work a lot better than relying on ross to endure another 5 years of cortisol poisoning while he loses the rest of his hair and goes broke from all of the faggots that are going to harass him.

>>714346153
>>714346456
theyre the finish line to ross because he still had hope that the world was not as stupid as to save his failing initiative just because a fucking retard who killed his initiative crashed out on twitter

You europeans are huge faggots. Who fucking cares

>>714347730
anti semitism is higher than it has ever been in human history sooo lol
>>714348823
retard that works for a living

>>714348124
A mentally sound person lives in a state of idiocy which allows him to be manipulated by heebs.

>>714349098
Disgusting esl turdworlders support this, gross

>>714348823
Stop being a racist, it's unbecoming.

>>714345928 (OP)
why does he look so disgusting, shouldn't he be living in india along with the rest of the animals?

>>714346901
lol

>>714345928 (OP)
This is the man who won right to repair by killing himself, he's correct. He's even correct that Ross is the hero here, even if he doesn't want to be.
I do think Ross is also right, though. I've followed both of these men for years. Ross is...just a guy, ultimately. The "stuff" of his character isn't the same stuff of Louis's. Ross has conviction, but he's not supremely strong (and that's completely fine, he seriously is JUST a guy). Louis is an entrepeneur who created a business and feels even more strongly than Ross. Ross is a gamer who makes funny videos and just wants to get by.

>>714349803
I think he needs to give the movement to the EU organizers then do one (1) donation drive and give it to the organizers to get lawyers and shit. If not then literally let Rossman do it

>>714349803
Ross desperately wants/needs somebody to take up the mantle for him. He isn't the type of guy built for this shit, but nobody big enough to matter actually wants to. Funnily Louis Rossman would be perfect for the role but he has enough bags under his eyes as it is.

>>714349986
pretty much yeah

I absolutely understand the passion Louis feels but the moldman sincerely NEVER asked for this.

>>714345928 (OP)
This is not american politics

>>714350036
I feel after all of this it's gone from "never gonna happen" to "hey, it could happen!" in terms of someone eventually taking over and that's definitely nice to see. Ross is not an activist, just a desperate dude because he's been ranting about this in a cave for his entire life and hardly anyone has ever listened.

>>714349986
>>714350036
Rossmann is not going to do your work.
He is not invested in this. He is not even an EU citizen. Step up yourself.

>>714349986
I think Rossmann only feels very strongly about this in a general consumer rights sense but not so as a super passionate gamer, and he's already killed himself on right to repair, so I don't know if he'd want to do it. I guess he could just manage it but I think both he and Ross would want to look for someone else to do it if they can't convince Ross to be the guy.

>>714345928 (OP)
yes. money is the only language politicians understand.

>>714345928 (OP)
He should do it himself then, let Ross rest

>>714350261
Note: Ross is also not an EU citizen. He started this and can't even sign the petition.
He actually genuinely can't even do very much given his American status. He can platform and organize a fair amount, and delegate, but Ross can't go up and speak for anyone or anything like that.

Probably also worth noting that Ross is an absolutely dogshit public speaker, lol. He's excellent with a script, but the man is very scatterbrained and stumbles over himself all the time when trying to elucidate his position.

>>714350150
>just a desperate dude
We can tell. You've been spamming this place for like over a week now. NYPA

>>714350560
I didn't even make this thread

>>714350560
why do you play games if you don't care about games

>>714350539
>Probably also worth noting that Ross is an absolutely dogshit public speaker, lol. He's excellent with a script, but the man is very scatterbrained and stumbles over himself all the time when trying to elucidate his position
Literally me

>>714350134
is that thing an american? my god they really have devolved

>>714348198
only 11 EUCI initiatives (not petitions) have obtained the required number of signatures since the system was set up in 2011
compared to most of the others, this one is very small in scope and would require minimal effort on the part of legislators to do something as benign as making software developers create proper EoL plans or at least label things properly
there is basically a 0% chance the EU commission does literally nothing and we end where we started
if apple and microsoft couldn't beat the EU then a bunch of video game companies can't either
this also isn't going to be something that breaks the bank for corps, it's just that it'll cut into their profit margins a little until it becomes standard operating procedure after a few years

>>714350657
>excellent with a script
>entire petition contradicts itself constantly, doesn't make any sense and only shows that he doesn't even understand any of the subject matter or even what intellectual property is, or what the difference between a good and service is

aka he is retarded

>>714350763
He didn't make the initiative.

>>714350150
>>714350560
>>714350592
>>714350621
even if ross continued to be involved, having a lawyer take up the legal side of dealing with whatever EU calls congress makes sense to me. its a fixed budget job that has a real meaningful purpose.

>>714348124
Retard

>>714350763
you wanna give any actual examples of what you're describing

>>714348124
trvth nvke

>>714350821
Dilate.

>>714350701
How did the stuff with Apple and Microsoft come about? Because if those started because the EU already felt strongly about consumer rights regarding those then it makes sense they'd have people that could win. But since this one is more of a "voice of the people" thing that to them just came out of nowhere, then I'm a bit more pessimistic about its chances. Though I don't think it'll get thrown out. It's just more at risk to being manipulated.

Still signed.
Demoralization failed.

>>714351254
That’s illegal Ross

I would never take work or life advice from a dude that looks like this.

>>714345928 (OP)
its what jews do. He couldn't understand the aryan europa spirit in Ross that makes him act in good faith.

>>714348823
dont you have 50 trillion dollars to send to israel or something, mutt?

>>714351601
hes unironically based. do you not know who he is? do you want to not be allowed to repair your phone?

cheering on my fellow EU bros and am proud of my nordic neighbors. good job guys :)
t. norwegian

>>714350802
so he had someone else make it, but didn't bother to get someone who wasn't retarded?

thats not any better LOL

>>714352138
What?

At least post Ross response, even thought is like just WORDS WORDS
tl;dr hes just tired, he doesnt feel to have the skills to negotiate terms with AAA companies with legislation

>>714345928 (OP)
He's just fuming that Ross managed to get so much hype behind SKG, while his own attempts at pushing rights to repair have been stalling for years.

>>714352746
His skill is irrelevant like Louis said. That's what the funding and hiring is for. There just needs to be someone to keep championing this because like he said the challenge is getting people to care about anything. He cares, so he should go all the way. But if he doesn't also believe that his involvement will do anything more for the initiative then that also makes sense. I wonder how their conversation will go.

>>714353059
>"just hire someone who isn't retarded to push for the same retarded ideas you had in the first place"

such a great use of everybodies money

>>714353458
that is the correct approach if you want to get things done

Not 100% in agreement with him, btw. I think that the simple thing is that there are people with certain character who can "carry the weight". Ross lacks that character, and it's not a negative on him to lack it. Most do! Even delegating stuff is mentally exhausting, so even if there are people who "want to help" it's not exactly as simple as "letting them". The fact is, you've got to vet and trust every person you delegate to, and the brother is out here dying. "Making money" from it to pay rent etc would also just be 100% against Ross's code. We begged him for years to even offer donations. He hates taking money in "illegitimate" ways because he knows how precious money is. And then, even if he were to go all in and live off of fundraiser money, he'd loathe that because this is not his passion.

Dude just needs someone else to take the reins.

>>714353458
Yes. Unironically

>>714348424
Literally me

>>714350539
I'm pretty sure he is. He's married to a polish woman he's probably a polish citizen.

>>714347352
i only trust schizophrenics.

>>714354321
At least we tried :)

>>714354446
He's not, he talked aboht this.

>currently watching part 2
>Rossmann's guy keeps talking about WoW and open sourcing
I feel like I missed a point, but I feel like he's missing the point.

>>714353458
that is a good use for money yes. When ross talked about not taking money in his video he said >for what
this is the answer to that question, it provides scope, budget, and a reason to exist.

>>714355578
Yeah. Both Louis and the guy aren't even sure if the initiative isn't meant to be retroactive. I had high expectations of this guy because of the recommendation, but it's another guy that can't read and I'm not hearing anything I haven't heard before. Rossmann asked him what he would fix about the initiative and the guy said it should be not retroactive and games should be required to have a clear expiration date on their packaging. Feels like another repeat episode. They need to talk with Ross about it so that everything's clear.

>>714356187
The guy also feels like he's struggling to answer Louis's questions. He stumbles whenever he asks about how it might affect indie games and even goes "Oh, um, uh, good question. I'll need to do more research on this." He's probably a great expert but it felt like he thought the interview was just going to be Louis allowing him to rant about his knee-jerk reaction to SKG and Louis interjecting with basic questions made him confused.

Think the only insights I got are that cloud services only have gaming as a small portion of their userbase so they would just happily cut off game developers. And that live service games last a long time, there are many people working on them, many different things get changed about them, and companies and programmers never document anything, so it'd be a clusterfuck trying to hand it over to players. But for both Louis points out that consumers are right to not give a shit about that and go "That's your problem. Not mine." so they're still not particularly compelling.

>>714346901
My exact thoughts

>>714353458
That is standard operating procedure.

>>714355578
The guy even completely misunderstands the Games as a Service video when Ross was defining what GaaS meant to him and much later on the video says that since World of Warcraft uses a subscription model so that it doesn't count as fraud. And for some reason the guy took that to mean that World of Warcraft is also not a service, and so he's gone on to think that Ross's videos don't make any sense and he regularly contradicts himself.

>>714345928 (OP)
Lobbying is sadly how to play the game if you want to get shit passed in the EU. Friendly reminder a small percentage of bug powder is now allowed in some products inside the EU because of a french company lobbying for it.
https://www.lepoint.fr/societe/qu-est-ce-que-la-poudre-de-larves-autorisee-dans-l-agroalimentaire-a-partir-du-lundi-10-fevrier-2025-dans-l-union-europeenne-09-02-2025-2581908_23.php#11

>>714345928 (OP)
Yes, but he comes from a different perspective.
For him, his "Right for repair" movement was something he was willing to sacrifice a lot of time and effort, not to mention way wider appeal.
Meanwhile Ross isn't really willing to do much more for the initative, simply because he doubts that anything he could do would have much impact in how things work out.

>>714358786
Why do they want us to eat ze bugs so much?

>>714346901
The dude has done the exact same thing Ross is trying to do but with Right to Repair and got his first few legislations pushed in to shit because the kike lobbyists for companies just lobby harder with more money so I would say he isn't wrong

>>714362636
Its not mutt land. We forced applecucks to use usb-c and no amount helped them.

>>714362828
-> >>714358786

>>714358786
Thing is, ze bug content must be listed and clearly labeled
IRL, no one is gonna buy that shit, so it will likely be dropped in the future. It's all just scam about leeching money from EU donation program, plain and simple

>>714350701
>small in scope
Requires a legal definition of video games, or will have to apply to all licensed products(ie, every
copyrighted work).

In addition to, legislation that upends how licensing works.

>>714359169
Why is the right to repair guy fighting for this? We already have the right to repair our own video games.

>>714345928 (OP)
louis rossmann sent me acid

>>714363440
It's not your video game dipshit, it's a fully revocable license provided to you in the form of an installation and patching service that provides you access to the video game. This is what constitutes the "product" and by using the "product" you agree to this definition.

>>714345928 (OP)
the american mindset in a nutshell
MONEY MONEY MONEY
it's a miracle they haven't legalized selling their newborn children yet for cash

>>714352746
I understand where Ross is coming from though. Louis had a much easier sell because the right to repair a device you have physically purchased and can actually hold in your hand is a really easy sell, but software is in this murky grey area that no-one (especially politicians) wants to touch.
Not to mention that Louis was able to at least sustain a living and spread awareness with his actual repair shop, Ross has nothing like that.
Louis is coming from a good place, but I think he's a little clouded by survivorship bias, you can't blame Ross for not wanting to risk his entire livelihood.

>>714345928 (OP)
Yes but the issue is Ross genuinely isn't built for this, dude is just autistic about games he can't actually organize shit, which is fine but we really can't rely on Ross as a leader figure

I need a compilation of every jeet cope

>>714366019
>Not to mention that Louis was able to at least sustain a living and spread awareness with his actual repair shop, Ross has nothing like that.
This is really the main thing, Ross has his videos and while he is beloved he is not super big and he clearly can't juggle SKG with his video making aka his income

>>714347459
Do you really trust a schizo to not add a backdoor because God(CIA agent in a wig) told him to?

>>714348424
same, signing it ok, giving money or something? no thanks

>>714350701
>there is basically a 0% chance the EU commission does literally nothing and we end where we started
>if apple and microsoft couldn't beat the EU then a bunch of video game companies can't either
still don't understanding that the apple microsoft stuff was more of a geopolitics stuff than consumer rights, they are not going to kneecap a sector in which europe is still somewhat competitive (videogames)

>>714365586
They sell parts of them
the hospital takes the profit though

>>714366783
The Apple stuff was to save the fucking planet. USB-C as standard is supposed to reduce electronic waste, something the EU is very adamant about.
You'd have to look at the google and twitter cases to find something comparable to vidya, and both times the EU won.

>>714366783
Yeah, forcing apple to use usb-c is a huge geopolitical play. How will they recover?

>>714367323
It's really asinine the more details you remember. It was Apple being caught pants down in admitting that the lightning cable provided no value to anyone besides their shareholders.

>>714367323
>forcing apple to use usb-c is a huge geopolitical play
not huge but yes, america power in the 21st century primarily comes from its companies, if you hurt them, even just a little, you are sending a message, not a fluke that this laws tend to coincide with times of geopolitical tensions

>>714366783
>the apple microsoft stuff was more of a geopolitics stuff than consumer rights
This is correct, they have a bone to pick with the USA.

Ross regrets making that video.

>brings a retard that has no idea about this particular topic as a guest in the next part

what was his plan, throw his dev "friend" under the bus?

>>714345928 (OP)
The only reason I signed the petition is to fuck with that american pirate guy. I judged him solely from a few clips seen on 4chan. You're welcome.

>>714368392
Based Louis helping by continuing to make developers look like retards without a foot to stand on

>>714368392
The guy did bring up some good points, and he was willing to talk in good faith I think. But yeah, the live service thing can just be fixed by having the devs need to release the server files, the info of the servers running them, and a basic step by step set on how to get them running if you're willing to buy the hardware, then it's up to the Fandom for the rest.

>>714345928 (OP)
>I won't talk to faggot he's not an expert anyway
>part 2 talks to a literal faggot that isn't an expert
Oof

>>714369832
>good faith
>MUH AMAZON
>MUH MICROSERVICES
What a gay.

>>714358786
which company btw?
>>714363243
kek, most people doesn't even read those unfortunately, if so, many many many dog shit product would never ever be sold.

>>714347072
They don't even have to, no civilised government would dare to alter ownership rights.

>>714345928 (OP)
of course a guy with the -mann last name would say something like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNiTxUEnmKI
IT'S AT 98%

>>714370685
in terms of real signatures it's probably like 80%

>>714370502
Yeah, at first he just screamed shill to me, but after listening to him, and his overall view point on those things, I honestly think he just a guy so dug into the industry it really taints his view point to just seem that way. He'd probably be a good asset when trying to come up with a robust policy to make SKG get as far as possible if he was willing to work with it.

>>714370727
*40%

>>714350824
Kill yourself, commie nigger.

>>714370727
You need a real euro ID for that right? I doubt that's getting botted by any substantial amount.