Thread 714349481

if your game needs government intervention to prevent its death it is sloppa that deserves to die. can you name even a single good game that needs this?

>>714349481 (OP)
>can you name even a single good game that needs this?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think It would be pretty cool if some government invested to make Hotline Miami 3

>>714349481 (OP)
America’s Army, pure government produced war propaganda kino.

True but selling a live service game and then rugpulling people is also pretty gay. If you don't want to run the servers, releasing the code to run private servers is not an unreasonable demand from people who bought in.

>>714349481 (OP)
devils third

>>714349774
that would be against dennaton`s wishes

>>714349481 (OP)
While I don't like live service slop that much, I know there are people in my country that buys games like that and even enjoy them.
I don't want international corporations to take away games my countrymen paid money for.

>>714349908
Nobody is going to release you code they wasted time upon so you can understand their engines and fuck up the next games, they will never pass this shit out of copyright and industrial secret.

>>714349481 (OP)
i love it when you call me big sloppa

>>714350091
Yeah that's why we need the CIA to mk ultra these two bitches

>>714350151
I spent time earning the money to buy the right to play the game. If you rugpull me, you have to make me whole.

>>714350129
If they buy shit they deserve to get fucked until they understand their lesson, it's not like live services games are not hitting corpos with losses.

>>714350287
You spent time earning money to buy a licensed game, not the whole fucking IP and source code.

>>714350467
If I can't use the game after I bought it, you have to make me whole. If that means a regulation on game licenses to prevent your abuse, so be it.

This movement devolved into people attacking relentlessly if you don't want intervention and people attacking relentlessly if you want it. All of it with absurd requests that EU will pobably not enforce or fuck up, because EU has a talent to fuck up things and killing industries like how they kill nuclear energy.

>>714350338
If you purchase a product, you own it.
I don't care if it's "bad", that's subjective. Should we remove access to "bad" movies people bought with their own money so they lear-... "understand their lesson"?
You happened to like that b-movie that flopped? Well too bad you should learn to not buy bad movies. You want to watch shitty movies with your friends while drunk and laugh at them? WRONG! Didn't learn... "understand" your lesson yet?
Want to play a vidya that you played as a kid but it required online connection for singleplayer?
TOO BAD! SHOULD'VE NOT LIKED IT.
My fav game of all time isn't popular or that highly rated, and if all access to it was removed tomorrow I doubt people would care. Hell most anons here would be like you and say how I should play better games etc.

You own the products you purchase.
Simple as. You won't take away that basic right from commerce since we fucking exchanged arrowtips and squirrel hides.
Fucking corposlut.

Forcing devs to make live service games playable offline will steer them away from making live service games to begin with. Anyone even slightly critical of the bill is the result of racemixing or a certified dali pajeet.

>>714349481 (OP)
>if your game needs government intervention to-
>if
Why do we keep dragging the goalpost here commie?

>>714350739
>If I can't use the game after I bought it, you have to make me whole
Good luck faggot, this shit will ecolve towards more subscription based gaming instead of giving you proprietary code.

At best the result you get is free to play shit that sucks money out of your pockets, so technically you don't buy shit. Unless you want lootboxes shipped to your home.

>>714349481 (OP)
Video game companies need government intervention, Lootboxenjoyerbergstein.

>>714351041
If I bought skins in your free to play game and you suddenly prevent me from using them, you have to make me whole.

>>714350861
>If you purchase a product, you own it
What with you guys that can't discern a product from a service? If you bought a service you don't own it, you just bought a seat to watch a movie.

>>714351128
According to what logic? You bought a service that you will give back according to the contract. Like you spent money for slot machines.

>>714349481 (OP)
There are plenty of Korean MMOs that I played during my teenage years that are dead with no/shady pservers that I'd like to revisit, even if just for a day.

>>714351340
A contract is binding on both parties. Being served a one-way document after the purchase was made, with said document changing unilaterally at any time, is not a contract.

>>714349481 (OP)
Trvthnuked
Also all video game become obsolete after 8years and deserve delisting
GROW THE FUCKING UP GAMERS!

What if my game needs a Marxist to promote it?

>>714349481 (OP)
The point isn't to save slop it's to force companies to stop making slop due to gaas rugpulls no longer being a viable profit vector.

>>714349481 (OP)
Old gen monster hunter
Dragon's dogma online
And many japani games

>>714351458
A contract is a term both parties agree upon, a set of rules they follow. If said rules says the seller can change at will some terms in a modular way and cease the service, that's more because you signed a shit contract.

On one thing you guys could leverage, children shouldn't sign contracts to be scammed like the adults, they have no ways to understand what the do in part.

>>714349481 (OP)
Lego Universe
Great game, unsustainable monetization scheme

>>714351683
A regulation to prevent this form of abusive dictation is perfectly reasonable.

>>714350151
>Nobody is going to release you code they wasted time upon so you can understand their engines and fuck up the next games
Luckily no one is saying that the games have to be made open source. Your manager lied to you.

>>714351801
a regulation can easily backfire, often with consequences nobody predicted

>>714351845
I know you want SDKs like valve did with tf2, but i believe they move towards the "service" thing more and more before doing what steam does.
>manager
what paranoia does to a mf

>>714351909
It sure can. But there's undeniably a case for regulation, since a person is being denied access to something they paid for.

>>714352025
There is not "undeniable" or "inevitability" for stuff like this, like how slavery is "undeniable" because it's free cheap labor.
>since a person is being denied access to something they paid for.
Once the movie is over you're supposed to get out of the room. This is how companies are moving into, movies are also scams at this point.

Anno 1404, they disabled the online multiplayer and provided no alternative.

>>714352013
>I know you want SDKs like valve did with tf2, but
The "stop killing games" thing is just about making the games remain functional in some capacity after EoS, not about releasing dev tools so users can mod it. ie: allow story campaign to be played offline, have peer-to-peer lobbies that don't require connecting to a central server

>>714352284
>allow story campaign to be played offline, have peer-to-peer lobbies that don't require connecting to a central server
I am all for it, but if you think the EU can help achieving this goal you're in for a big delusion, no fags inside the parliament have the same vision you guys do, included how many workarounds companies may do to avoid it.

>>714352209
A movie has an implied period of service. A very easy resolution to all of this is to say something like, "purchases entitle you to use of company servers for one month," and then companies that want to terminate service shut off transactions a month in advance. But at least this way there is a two-way binding contract which is stated up front.

>>714351683
>you signed the heckin' terms of service! it says we can enslave you and harvest your organs!
UE has regulations against exactly this sort of abusive contracts.
Video games market just hasn't been properly scrutinized because people in charge are boomers.
That's the point of the initiative as far as I understand.

>>714352502
>A movie has an implied period of service
Because unlike videogames you don't use movies ad infinitum to play multiplayer, that is why they cease service suddenly.
>>714352573
EU got the power to even become a dictatorship, still some practices may have worse effect than what you get with non at all. "Scrutinize" the market and you may end up with companies doubling down on their "services" and stop making games as products. More sloppa than before.

>>714349481 (OP)
agree
but I signed cause Pirate is dumb

>>714352573
A company needing to end a server for an old game because it isn't profitable to run anymore is not abusive. It would be slavery to force them to. No way in hell you're gonna pay them for upkeep, or you wouldn't be petitioning the government to enforce your will in the first place.

>>714349481 (OP)
lego universe

>>714349481 (OP)
The point isn't to save the games, it's to make the corpos suffer for their arrogance and greed.

>>714353061
Force them to keep it running for nothing*

>>714353061
I think the cost of end of life should be included in the upfront cost of the game.
>b-but games will cost more
Yes

>>714349481 (OP)
I agree. HOWEVER consider the initiate would disincentive making such games and would potentially result in investing into better single player games

>>714353061
No one is demanding that they keep the servers active in perpetuity. That is not what is asked for.

if your medical needs government intervention to prevent unnecessary death it is sloppa that you deserve to die

>>714349481 (OP)
Punishing companies for making always online games is the goal. This whole campaign is a Trojan horse.

>>714351134
These "services" don't say they are services in their store pages.
There should read in that case
>"You are purchasing a licence to a service, not purchasing a game you own."
In store page front and center. If it says anywhere, ANYWHERE that you are buying a game and not a service, it is false advertising. Preferably they should also disclose in bold big letters that they can block your access whenever they feel like it, with or without any reason.
>"B-But EULA has it in middle of it's 50 pages of text"
I don't care. If you sell a licence rather than a product, tell it front and center on store page. Being a slithering snake and hiding it in paperwork is fucking despicable and you as a seller know you are scamming people. Otherwise you would be 100% okay telling your customers they don't own what they purchase.

>>714353061
you are literally retarded

Anything with matchmaking cancer

>>714353167
I'll rephrase, it's slavery to force them to build an offline build. Live service games are not built with that in mind and require development time and resources in order to change that. So you have 2 options.
>Go to a company that already does this.
>Ask a company that doesn't do this to do it.
The moment you ask the government to swing it's dick into the discussion you implicitly admit that
>The consumer cannot be trusted to think or read for himself.
>The government should have the authority to dictate business between two consenting parties.
>The government know better what the consumer wants than the consumer.
Initiatives like these appeal to the "DONT TAKE MY TOYS FROM ME" crowd but they don't realize they are infantilizing themselves both personally and legally.

>>714350151
And yet we all bought half life 2.

running servers is extremely cheap, all these companies could keep all their games running forever and it wouldn't harm their profits at all
>w-w-well why don't you run those servers if it's so cheap!
that's exactly what people want, they want the option to run their own servers

>>714353504
NO YOU'RE GOING TO KILL THE HECKING COMPANIES

>>714349481 (OP)
The game is dying due to government intervention thoughbeit.
Providing unofficial support is a grey area for various reasons.
>>714353428
The government has already granted the corporation a pseudo-monopoly and would simply be following through on having the corporation sticking to the implied responsibilities.
>The consumer cannot be trusted to think or read for himself.
>The government should have the authority to dictate business between two consenting parties.
>The government know better what the consumer wants than the consumer.
Unironically yes. The sheer scale of investment into marketing, market research and psychology means that the consoomer has no realistic overview of what is being leveraged against them by multinational corporations, it's not a free contract between two consenting parties.

>>714353273
>These "services" don't say they are services in their store pages.
Of course not, but after this regulation there's always room for change them into services.

i am not defending corpo scams, i just fear they just change the terms and give a middle finger, which is why i tell people to not buy corpo games.

>>714353273
You never owned any game, any music or any movie... it has always been just a license to use.

>>714353457
because valve is a private company and not a corporation with a board of director kikes pressuring game to suck cocks. Which is why they're also more in touch with the creative team and make something likeable.

>>714353770
>pseudomonopoly
LMAO over their own product? That's retarded, that's like saying I have a pseudomonopoly over my own house. Of course, it's my fucking property. There are millions of game developers competing, calling it a pseudomonopoly is abject insanity.

>Unironically yes. The sheer scale of investment into marketing, market research and psychology means that the consoomer has no realistic overview of what is being leveraged against them by multinational corporations, it's not a free contract between two consenting parties.
>Ah yes, poor man is such a helpless baby that we must protect for his own good! That's the only way he can thrive, not by his own mind and senses!
Your contempt of man is showing, it's not a good look.

>>714354001
>LMAO over their own product? That's retarded, that's like saying I have a pseudomonopoly over my own house. Of course, it's my fucking property. There are millions of game developers competing, calling it a pseudomonopoly is abject insanity.
You don't have ownership over data or ideas, the government is simply enforcing laws preventing others from interacting with them meaningfully.
Copyright law means that breaking DRM to provide unofficial support is effectively criminalized.

>>714354107
>The government is enforcing laws preventing me from interacting with data meaningfully.
>Lets give them even more power to interfere in this market by petitioning them to introduce more legislation!
Divorce the state and the economy, like we did state and church.

Not one good answer for the frog posting faggot of an OP.
Lemme fix that.

>can you name even a single good game that needs this?
Original Diablo 2 servers
Original Warcraft servers
Original servers for nearly every Sports related game.
Most Call of Duty games
Most Halo games
Most Battlefield games
Most Monster Hunter games
Most Last Gen Console games
Most Console games
Most Live Service games
Most games made more than 7 years ago that featured dedicated servers.

I could expand and actually get into where the community of players tried to maintain the servers after they were taken down and then given Cease and Desists too.

TLDR; By the times your faggotass balls drop you will have had games you enjoyed cease to be.

>>714353951
>not a corporation
It's private as in not publicly traded but it's still a corporation with directors.

>>714349481 (OP)
You fags might not like Battleborne but it had PvE story mode missions and a bot lobby option. I paid $16 for it years before it died and I would like to actually play the campaign because I retardedly thought it wouldn't go away with the server shut down.

>>714349481 (OP)
>can you name even a single good game that needs this?
Yes, but you'll call me retarded and say 'Who the fuck would want to play that shit?'

>>714354395
Just say it. I said fucking Battleborne of all things >>714354328

>>714353951
But we all had access to their engine and their code and assets. That would kill game companies.

>>714354261
Still not a traditional corporation that gives people more freedom to start their own project. Nobody can press gabe like a traditional CEO with external shareholders and directors.

>>714354390
>a natural and viable competition to Amazon will magically arrive and cause competition benefitting the consumer, we just have to remove all taxation from corporations first!
Lol lmao
If you let corporations without regulation or market oversight they'd form fucking cyberpunk protostates, every country has a market competitiveness baked overseeing the economy and blocking corporations for doing what they want to ie. merge and acquisition their way into a monopoly or cartel oligopoly.
The biggest threat to competition isn't "the government", it's already existing huge corporations. Embrace, extend, and extinguish.

>>714353794
Then that should be listed on the box at walmart.
It should say available for RENT not BUY. Give online games an expiration date sticker while we're at it.

>>714354528
Well it was leaks of old stuff so far and they're not even pursuing half life 3, for sure what keeps them afloat is their distribution platform.

>>714353794
Yes, a perpetual license

But government enforced IP laws are what allow these companies to succeed financially. Why is government intervention that benefits companies good but government intervention that benefits consumers bad?

>>714349481 (OP)
I think all games (and media in general), both good and bad should be preserved. Right now it just seems like dogshit that people buy, play and then throw away but give it 200 years and it becomes important data for the way people lived in this age.
If all mobile slop is deleted from existence how will we ever learn from our mistakes as a people?

>>714349481 (OP)
No, but can you imagine the government interfering and forcing sloppa owners to put effort into that sloppa? Their game is so slop it needs the govs to give them a wake-up call. I'd approve that. Well that's asking a lot, I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>714354619
>a natural and viable competition to Amazon will magically arrive and cause competition benefitting the consumer
Nta but you always have shops outside your home, without counting in all those chinese bullshit companies like temu/alibaba/aliexpress. That is enough to subtract enough clients if amazon fucks up its services.

>>714354443
Basically only MOBAs
Arena of Fate, Dawngate, Infinite Crisis, Strife

>>714354619
These existing huge corporations got to their current position partly because of government subsidies and currying favors. Monopolies don't just form out of nowhere without the government initiating force on the competition. Think of copyright enforcement (if you can make better cheaper faster Nikes than Nike the government will stop you instead of Nike having relinquished its right to exist). This will always come at cost to the consumer who now has to buy slower more expensive and worse shoes. Taxing corporate at 25% now means that companies that want to rise up have to make 125% their normal viable profit instead of merely having to keep themselves afloat, huge corporations thrive off of this because they can already pay. Same goes for entry barriers to certain markets and other shenanigans.

>>714354705
How do you feel about Hasbro refusing to allow us to preserve 1980's He-Man action figures that those assholes refuse to produce today?

>>714353794
I still can put my PS1 game in PS1 and play it.
I can launch HoMM 3.exe on my PC without internet connection.
I can put VHS/DVD/Bluray in it's player and watch movie.
I can put my CD in a CD player and listen the music.
But new games?
>"No no no, you don't own that it's just a licence come on the poor billionare corporation needs the money it reads in eula you don't own it please don't put any initative that could return ownership to games you buy PLEASE DON'T DO IT!!! T-THE SHAREHOLDERS... H-HOW IS UBISOFT OR EA OR BLIZZARD GOING TO MAKE MORE MONEY!? PLEASE DON'T BULLY THEM!!! YOU DON'T OWN WHAT YOU BUY AND DON'T YOU EVER FUCKING QUESTION IT YOU FUCKING COMMIE!"
Why do gamers out of all people suck corpo cock so much? Same with rampant screaming about piracy.

>>714354693
>government intervention that benefits consumers

Trump tariffs

>>714354869
Do the figures still exist? If so then it's not a problem. SKG is seeking to prevent the total destruction of some games. It is inevitable that once a live-service game goes offline, the data will be stored for a time but eventually they'll just delete it and move on. That game - however terrible it was - is gone forever, with only videos to prove it existed.

>>714354837
>Strife
store.steampowered.com/app/339280/Strife/
This one? It's still up apparently I think

If you guys want to feel any good some libertarian takes are also against copyright laws (like some anons above expressed) so people can compete more openly and easily without corpos stomping on you.

Now i know there's a drama with that nigger furfag e-celeb but it doesn't mean i have to give up my beliefs.

>>714354971
Oh... it's retarded.
You don't actually know how those work huh.
You should probably look that up mate, you look real stupid.
You also outed yourself as someone who believes the fucking media of all things.

>>714353770
>The consumer cannot be trusted to think or read for himself.
>Why do you need to make drugs illegal?! Only retards wouldn't know they're harmful to you anyway
Yes, around 50% of humanity is too retarded to have an internal monologue.
And companies become abusive if left unchecked, that's why we needed shit like child labor laws and minimal wage.

>>714355168
>As of October 2018 Strife servers have been shut down without comment from developers with S2 Games being quietly closed down.
It was closed before, but I guess the community made it work again somehow
>As of September 2024 Strife servers are back up and running with community support.
Neat

>>714349481 (OP)
>if your game needs government intervention to prevent its death
people that buy a game should be able to play said game whenever they want now fuck off.

>>714355385
And babying them only fosters that kind of mentality. Who gives a fuck about reading a contract you sign when you can just petition the government to bail you out once you don't like the agreement anymore? The reason we're all turning to commie shitholes is exactly because we reward mediocrity while punishing success at every turn.

>>714355385
Yes let's make everything safe and inoffensive because "SOMEBODY THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!" except when selling candies to kids and washing away their brains with phones.

>>714355225
Exactly, we cry at the government to enforce our will on others while decrying companies for doing corporate socialism while not realizing we are literally legitimizing that behavior.

>>714349481 (OP)
doesnt matter. that will be for us to decide, not the dev or publisher.

>>714353254
I wanna think its contrarians, but it's starting to dawn on me that these niggas have been fomo'd so hard they're legitimately becoming live sloppice apologists.

>>714355561
>buy an apple
>'hmm i will eat this apple one year from now one'
>apple rots away
>'NOOOOO GOVERNMENT DO SOMETHING MY APPLE ROTTED AWAY I SHOULD BE ABLE TO EAT IT WHENEVER I WANT '

>>714356627
>apple rots away
skill issue