The ancient text of Deltarune. Toby's first notes about Susie, when creating her.

susie abuse
susie abuse

>>714349730 (OP)

Which iconic vidya room would create the most kino dark world? My pick is Bloodlines starting lodgings - it also has a Tenna in it, although I imagine he would be rather disturbed

Cute moments between Susie and Noelle:
>drawing on the window during diner date
>putting stickers on each other's faces
>Susie offering Noelle to lick her hair
Cute moments between Susie and Kris
>sitting next to each other and talking about Noelle all day long
Suselle deniers are special kind of insane.

people who have said "i won" in regards to their favorite character, shortly before fucking everyone and everything up:
>andrew hussie
people who have said "i won" but it has not yet been long enough for them to release any new content that may fuck everything up:
>toby fox
people who have lived in andrew hussie's basement:
>toby fox

>>714350719
I don't understand why people who read Homestuck think it's a badge of honor when 90% of them hate Homestuck.

>>714350719
People who won
>Toby Fox
People who lost
>Not worth mentioning

>>714350617
After replaying chapter 2, i think Suselle is not supposed to be seen as major romance. "Kris being the only one who knows how weird is Noelle" is her talking about her attraction to scary Susie

>>714350305

>>714350305
If we're talking about all vidya, small spaceships would be crazy. Make a dark world in the Normandy or the Great Fox or the Kestral.
Other than that, UNATCO HQ.

>>714352569
would the devious vending machine giving everyone the wrong soda be the schizoboss?

always bet on human dess

>>714355976
In the 4 minutes and 11 seconds following a snowgrave, Dess is effectively dead.

>>714350617
>Optional
>Optional
>Optional

>Mandatory story progression

Get cucked

>>714350790
Because it was a monumental undertaking that ended in a great betrayal, and now they're able to laugh about it. It gave them personal growth.

>>714350617
Secretly based post. Seriously Toby had to have known.

>>714350617

>>714357920
Not black either.

>>714357920

>>714356223
Mandatory NTR in a game about choices mattering and breaking the fate seems like made on purpose to actually sink Suselle

>>714357920
Anyone has Susie defending Kris with "HIS PRONOUNS ARE THEY/THEM"?

what if Kris hates Susie and hates (You) for forcing her on him?

>>714360201
>What if (shitty headcanon)

Things in the prophecy:
>the codes for some of the piano puzzles in the Sanctuary
>references to specific darkners like Queen and Tenna
>JOCKINGTON WILL GROW THE BEARD.
Things not in the prophecy:
>how to kill a titan, despite the fact that one shows up half-way through the story
Is the prophecy already off track, is it just stupidly incomplete, or is Ralsei hiding how to kill a Titan for some reason?

>>714360817
Considered they struggled more with Jack Lantern spoopy character than with actual Titan, i guess it wasn't important for the prophecy

>>714350617
Who gives a shit about canon ships, thoughever? Let people have fun

>>714361320
I'm so tired of shipping and romance in games.

>>714361085
And Lancer saying "toothpaste boy" is?

>>714361320
>thoughever
you have to go back

>Kris creates a dark fountain in your living/sleeping room.
What kind of horrific dark world is created?

>>714361704
Back where? Where do you want me to go? You need to give me clear instructions

>>714360817
>JOCKINGTON WILL GROW THE BEARD.
Do you think it refers to the Jockington we know specifically, or in-universe parents name their kid Jockington because the prophecy is the main religion?

>>714355976
I only believe it because I have a human fetish

>>714361850
India

>>714350617
Hang on a second...

>>714362168
I swear to god I saw this exact same meme but with Asriel and Chara.

Yes, I know it's based on Lilo and Stich.

>>714359461

>>714359128
People can't understand Kris can be his own person and also an insert/stand in character for the player. He's racially and gender ambiguous for the player to project on to. If Kris was black and female it would ruin the initial allusion that him and the player aren't/are different entities.

It's literally no different to how Frisk is their own person separate from the player in Undertale.

>>714362428
My issue is mostly just how clearly male Kris is. Frisk and Chara could be read easily as both a girl or a boy just because what little we learn about their true personality is largely not really associated with either masculinity or femininity. Kris just reads like a angsty teenage boy, almost perfectly in fact. She doesn't even really work as a tomboy.

>>714362220
Based Susan. He is only a male for her in bedroom

>>714362191
The memes get created, buried under time and rubble, then new fans start recreating old memes without even knowing.

>>714362640
I mean, writers write what they know, and Toby himself would have fit that description once upon a time. I agree, I think it's fairly obvious he comes across as a traditional male character, but the room for interpretation is still there for other fans to project on. That "Why I don't like Deltarune Chapter 2" video (or whatever it was called) filtered everyone on the matter lol

>>714361917
Anon are you retarded

>>714350617
I think Noelle is an annoying yuri on purpose. I don't think players suppose to clap for her weird infatuation with a bully

>>714365631
>I don't think players suppose to clap for her weird infatuation with a bully
they are and they do

>>714349730 (OP)
Doesisters...

>>714365667
To be fair, Toby is making Suselle seem like AlphysxUndyne on purpose. Only lore deep diving will deconstruct that ship as a potential ticking bomb. Just like normies think Carol is the Knight, they will be surprised when its revealed its actually Dess and that Suselle is not actually a wholesome chungus

>>714366058

Ralsie eating soup:3

>>714363106
I heard people argue that Kris is actually Toby Fox's self insert. So, yeah, it would make sense for him be very masculine.

>>714357920
The pie scarfing mischievous little fuckwad would not be someone who lectures people on pronouns
Simple as

Reminder that Suselle, the ship toby is spending the entire game teasing, will happen and anyone saying that it wont is just butthurt krusie/krisellefags that ignore reality

>>714357920
Why is he a nigger?

>>714366058
Let me guess, this meme was made by redditor and why it needed like 5 pointless panels?

>>714366227
Sure and Prophecy WILL happen too and no choice matter, huh?

>>714366227
Spoken like an irony poisoned failed writer who cannot read in between the lines

>>714366284
Stole Ralsei's melanin

Susie BIG

>>714366917
https://voca.ro/13eeiug1qpsH

>>714350073
Imagine that giant mouth trying to kiss yours

>>714350719
c3, c4 took risks, i have faith in the dog
theres some degree of truth in what you said though : C5 onwards will get real risky if its following C4's more "mission-y" formula

>>714350719
Deltarune ending up as this generation's Homestuck would be the single funniest fucking thing ever and you all know it

>>714367696
It would never be this generation's Homestuck because Toby's fanbase would never turn on him. It's a different era of the internet. He's on record saying the big N-bomb and jokes about Hellen Keller sandwiches and they don't even care to cancel him like they would anyone else because he's just an uwu fluffy little Japanese boy.

>>714365631
You'd be surprised how the main fandom literally goes "ooooooooh lesbians <3" whenever they see them do something on screen.

>>714365972
>Just like normies think Carol is the Knight
EVERYONE says it's Dess, that's just people who didn't see the Weird Route ending where Carol sounds perfectly normal over the phone. Though my gut's telling me Rudy more than anyone since the Mike room showed us Toby looks at our theories and laughs at them.

Guys, do you think there's still hope for Kriselle? Krusie can still be considered just a close friendship, and Suselle is obviously written as a generic slop, but Kriselle is the one that has the most romantic writing ("A concert just for me", "Kris! You're back!"). It is obviously a tale of star-crossed lovers, it can't end with some cop-out about them moving on, right?

>>714365631
>worries for Kris but still too much of a coward
>Kris checks up on Noelle to see if she's okay and not locked after Susie storms off
Autism to autism communication

>>714366227
Its good that Toby wasted all that time on Jevil, Spamton, Gerson and freedom leitmotif. After all, this anon figured out there only bad ending and poor one sided yuri couple without dynamic.

What went so wrong?

>>714350617
You can spot the people who didn't play the game from the replies to this post, and it's pretty funny. Mission accomplished

>>714367847
Noelle is a lesbian, so no.

>>714367839
He's not going to give the knight the Mike treatment, whoever the knight is, is set in stone. He has been decently honest with regards to foreshadowing, since things like revived Gerson happened which also was heavily speculated from that ch2 Alvin scene

>>714367938
She could not hide being a slut a second longer

>>714367839
>the Mike room showed us Toby looks at our theories and laughs at them
Get some better theories then, most of my stuff was confirmed and the stuff that didn't was objectively trash in hindsight.

>>714366159
>hurting Ralsei for no reason
Heck you

>>714367839
Normies dont play Snowgrave. Redditors, you tube analysts and data miners are not normies

>>714367998
My Kris is a female since I self-insert as her
>YNBAW
I'm a biological female, otherwise I'd be shipping Suselle

>>714367847
The problem with either of the Kris ships is that it's pretty obvious he's trying to fill the void Dess and Asriel left behind so the relationship is always going to be a bit hollow.

>>714349730 (OP)
I have never played Undertale or Deltarune but the deer lady wearing blue lipstick has piqued my interest

>>714350617
Oh ho ho ho anon, clever... Very clever.

>>714367998
1. Did you just assumed Kris' gender?
2. Nowhere does she says so. People say that Alphys was a lesbian, even though she was bisexual.

>>714357920
>"Kris is non-binary and has to be called they/them"
>people refer to him as Asriel's brother, not sibling
>Kris x Ralsei shippers seem to think of it as gay, as in 2 people of the same gender, and yet no one calls Ralsei non-binary
enbybros...
I know this is obvious trolling but I got nothing better to do anyway

>>714367847
Noelle will probably chimp out even harder than Susie if she finds out about the possession and plan to bring Dess back

>>714367847
If I can read Toby's intentions well after playing the chapters second time, he seem to prepare routes for Susie, Noelle and Ralsei. Berdly choices are the one that want to keep things platonic or support Suselle

>>714368084
>My Kris is a female
I want to date your Kris. Girls that carry a knife around and fantasize about cutting up people are my fetish.

>>714368108
Yes.
Did she ever show attraction towards Asriel?

>>714368086
But that isn't that Noe-
Oh, I get it

>>714353401
>UNATCO schizoboss
>being anything other than a malkavian mod character
Anon maybe you've forgotten but you have to get PILLS against my orders

>>714368061
>Redditors, you tube analysts and data miners are not normies

>>714368086
But the same can be said about Noelle. But Kris and Noelle were actual childhood friends, and despite what she tells Susie, she clearly still cares a lot about him.

>>714367915
she's horny for a person who potentially could kill Kris

>>714368276
That doesn't deny what I just said though.

>>714368210
>If I can read Toby's intentions well
You obviously didn't. Berdly scene was clearly mocking the idea of VN-style romantic routes in the same way as Rouxl was mocking the idea of polycule ending.

>>714366917
>>714367024
Susie has to be BIG in order to rest her chin on Kris's head, so this is now canon.

>>714368084
>My Kris
they are not a self-insert

>Noelle fell in love with THIS

>>714367824
It doesn't surprise me at all, I just try not to think about it because it's sad.

>>714368084
Do you agree Toby made Kris male-coded? Or is it normal for you to wake up in older's brother bedroom?

>>714368084
>I'm a biological female, otherwise I'd be shipping Suselle
Shit that actually makes sense

>>714368531
NTA, but it's very normal for siblings to live in the same room. Especially in a relatively small home.

>>714365972
Dess Knight is literally the most normalfag ""theory"" anyone could have

>>714368020
>whoever the knight is, is set in stone. He has been decently honest with regards to foreshadowing
I wouldn't put money on that. The Knight went from almost laser focused on their goal in the end of Ch3 to pure anime villain in Ch4 with all of the flaunting they were doing. Could be a Two Knights situation but I doubt Toby's going to pull a Scott.

>>714368452
You're the most obvious tranny I have encountered on these threads yet so good job I guess

>>714368534
What exactly did Dess think of Kris and vice versa? Was she a cool big sis or did she genuinely dislike him?

>>714368452
Tough luck, bitch tits. My Kris is a she, not your they/them mental illness.
Anyway, can you respect me saying my Kris is female? Don't be a hypocrite.
>>714368531
Yeah, doesn't stop me from self-inserting though like Toby wanted. I could argue that Asriel is enough of a good boy to warrant sharing a room even if Kris is a girl.

>>714368086
Its reflected with Kris relationship with Noelle(Dess) and Ralsei(Asriel) but Susie is reaching toward him into the dark and trying to pull him out into the light. Its some Naruto saving Sasuke stuff. If Toby made Naruto a girl, that is.

>>714368682
>The Knight went from almost laser focused on their goal in the end of Ch3 to pure anime villain in Ch4 with all of the flaunting they were doing.
I guarantee you that's not some sort of 4d chess keikaku move but simply dogshit writing

>>714368721
This.

Asriel is a herbivore Japanese anime protagonist. Even if Kris practically threw herself on him he would not only reject him, he would go to church and confess his sins.

>>714366058
>>714366287
Wow that was so hard to fix. Fuck the trope of reusing panels. You want elongated pauses for comedic effect? Make an animation.

>>714368735
>Ralsei(Asriel)
Asriel was the OLDER brother. And Susie going to church in his clothes basically spells out what the relationship is.

>>714368084
YWNBAW

This is what Toriel actually looks like in the dark world. In chapter 3, Tenna just dressed her up, you know, for the show.