Thread 714354870

where is the fucking update

>>714354870 (OP)
It came out last week, did you rike it?

update for what? the game is complete and doesn't need anything changed

>Trick millions into buying game
>Change after release
>No refunds

>>714355717
just don't update

>>714354870 (OP)
Why would you want one? The next one is probably just going to make it so that everyone behind first place gets increasingly high speed boosts and rubber banding to ensure nobody is in first for more than half a second.
Why is anybody still playing this fucking game, seriously. Does the surface level brand of it really matter that much even when the core us rancid shit?

>>714357430
The core is great though? Wall/rail tricks are fun and have a high skill ceiling.

>>714355717
The update was great though. It simply stopped minmaxing fags from ruining the game. Based Bingtendo.

>>714357430
Kek what schizo gibberish is this? The game is amazingly good fun. Go suck a dick miserable cunt.

>>714358116
Nintendo hates you more than I ever could.

>>714354870 (OP)
Is this game still worth it

>>714358398
for the $50 bundle price sure, but not worth buying a switch 2 for unless you want other games

>>714358398
No, and I highly doubt Nintendo will ever admit they're wrong and fix it.

>>714358061
The update has nothing to do with minmaxxing or fixing minmaxxing.

>>714358398
>still
Never was.

>>714354870 (OP)
Where the fuck is 200cc?

have fun getting raped by boomerangs fireballs shells giant mushrooms horns etc etc while I chill in the back and win with a single good item pull (guaranteed)
you're trying so hard to win yet you just get hit and end up in last place. but hey, at least you had....... fun..... holding A and getting predictably fucked by items...

>>714358061
How tendies can defend Nintendo seeing how their consumers want to play an $80 game and instead of facilitating that, go in and fuck it all up because it wasn't how Nintendo wanted them to play, is just mind blowing. I used to think you fags at least cared about the games and that's were your obsession with a corporation stemmed from, but it's clear you all just have profound mental illness and have form a parasocial relationship with a corporation due to some deep seated failings as a human being.

>>714354870 (OP)
>The game is working as Nintended™.

>>714363220
in the paid DLC.

>Intermissions are a core part of the game.
>They're not just boring straightaways. Look, there are rails and walls you can ride.
>But you'll get knocked off if you try.
>Anyway, we patched out the way you were playing 3 laps on real tracks, get fucked.

nintendtards are so fucking stupid lmao

do tendies really consider this the best mario kart game?

>>714363465
Swtich 2less troon absolutely malding XDD

>>714363540
>plays like a retard
>loses

What's your point?

>>714363791
>>714363850
>>714363850
Retard doesn't understand the concept of risk/reward.

Was this your argument? Just inventing schizo logic to hate the game? XDD

>>714364079
Do Switch2 less troons really spend all their day seething over games they can't play?

>>714357430
>Why would you want one?
Uuuuh maybe because of the universally hated gamemode change they did last week that was so fucking hated that the game's getting reviewbombed to hell and people are making countless youtube videos telling people the game isn't worth getting until they fix it?

Nintendo would be absolutely pants on head retarded if they ignore or double down on making random level select pick an intermission track for the 3 available track options 70% of the time. The Intermission style gamemode is already perfectly represented online through knockout tour, and people play the other gamemode mainly because they want the more classic mario kart online experience. The vast majority of players want the ability to play the full 3 laps on the courses they like rather than being forced to play an intermission track driving to that track and then doing only one lap on it. Not only should Classic Grand Prix be a separate gamemode online, the Intermission tracks between courses should be made more eventful because there's way too many that are just a single long straight line with barely any obstacles.

>>714364490
It's impossible to go back to MK8 now, it's just so simplistic and restrictive in comparison to MKW.

>>714364551
Yeah bro, trannies review-bombed Hogwarts Legacy and ran boycott campaigns on YouTube too. How did that work out?

Nobody cares about half a dozen schizos, the update saved the game. Go play MK8 and see how completely fucked the online is. Everyone is now playing MKW sorry you're missing out.

>>714363465
i had switch 2 fomo bad and the update completely killed my desire for one personally. not at all excited about a company that is willing to literally patch the fun out of their game.

>>714364551
That would be admitting they were wrong and they're far too arrogant for that. Nintendo knew exactly what they were doing with that update. They saw how people wanted to play and they took a shit on it.
Nintendo does not consider this balding 40 year old >>714363919 to be their audience. They are trying to appeal exclusively to 8 year olds who just want to spam items and let the RNG have them win even if they suck.

>>714364750
It's OK bro I bought three. Nobody cares about you. 14 days til GOTY.

I must say, online is kinda dum. I got existed when the track I actually practiced on got selected and then after the road to it it was only ONE lap.

>>714364860
continued
And the "world" is their gimmick. They unironically thought the intermissions were worthy of being the main feature to showcase that. They're not going to back down on this unless people stop buying the fucking thing and they get super desperate. Nintendo knows all too well that people bitch, but when they bitch and still go out and bend right over, why the fuck should Nintendo care?

I hate playing online with niggers

>>714358398
Only as a bundle because the full 80 dollar price is still beyond retarded and not worth it. The game is genuinely fun and has some very cool mechanics to spice up the gameplay, but it also has some questionable design choices regarding how to unlock new stuff, how effective drift boosting is, no classic 3 lap race gamemode online, and how the current strat to win races online is just to cheese races by looming in the back with a good item and blasting past everyone right before the finish line.

update not coming till expand dong is out

>>714364883
Only three? Buy more retardo, your master demands it.

>>714364702
>Yeah bro, trannies review-bombed Hogwarts Legacy and ran boycott campaigns on YouTube too. How did that work out?
The difference is that Hogwartz Legacy was a genuinely good game that got reviewbombed because of politics completely unrelated to the gameplay and quality of the game.

Mario Kart is getting reviewbombed because the developers changed the game in a way that made the game less fun to play. There is a very clear distinction here. People don't give a FUCK about trannies disliking a cool game because it doesn't reinforce their politics, people CARE A LOT about developers making the game worse to play for the consumer.

>>714365532
>The difference is that Hogwartz Legacy was a genuinely good game that got reviewbombed because of politics completely unrelated to the gameplay and quality of the game.

LEL

>>714364860
>That would be admitting they were wrong and they're far too arrogant for that.
You're right and that makes me extremely worried because modern Nintendo have been going extremely hard on absolute retard anti-consumer garbage.

My only hope is that
1. Nintendo comes to their senses, listens to the backlash and changes their retarded update everyone hated
2. Word of mouth that MKW isn't as fun as MK8 gets around and Nintendo takes a MASSIVE hit to their expected MKW sales during the holiday season, and after that is begrudgingly forced to change things people don't like in the game to make it sell better.

Word of mouth is very fucking important for your brand, and if they leave MKW in its current state they have zero chance of it becoming as big of a seller as MK8 ESPECIALLY with their new retarded 80 dollar pricetag.

>>714354870 (OP)
In a few months, dear

What happened to the Nintendo that tried to make open world golf but let you ignore the shitty mode entirely

>>714365864
>modern Nintendo have been going extremely hard on absolute retard anti-consumer garbage

>>714365048
The problem with Intermissions is that they're fun in theory but Nintendo had not anticipated the gameplay meta that would be created after a few weeks of people playing it.

Intermissions are genuinely fun in Knockout tour because it's just one giant seemless race where people in the back let knocked out one by one. Intermissions are NOT fun in regular online racing because there is very little reward for driving well on the intermission tracks vs just getting a good item and cheesing your way to first place on the last stretch, and there is very little reward for being good at a specific track that comes at the end of an intermission because it's only one single lap. I think Intermissions need to fix the shitty "bagging meta" strat, IMO there should be an option to make the track at the end of the intermission still be 3 laps because I think people would rather have a very long race than for the most fun part of the race to be very short, and I think Classic Grand Prix without Intermissions should be a separate gamemode. I think if they did this they could entirely revert the change they did to random course selection, because people that like intermissions would pick other things than random all the time and people who don't like intermissions would play classic grand prix

>>714365732
lol kill yourself

>>714366491
Don't care, 80 dollar piece of shit.

>>714366876
Damn Nintendo just keep making great video games huh?

I've been playing a few games of knockout tour every day and it's been pretty fun. I don't know what type of autism it takes to take it seriously or try and minmax this shit though, not to mention still seething about items in kart racers

>>714355717
I genuinely believe this should be illegal. Or at least the consumer should be allowed to change the money they gave them too.

>>714354870 (OP)
They just had one kek

>>714363919
This is how I imagine every Tendie looks like

>>714367072
Yeah it's great. The only people pissed are half a dozen minmaxers because they can't dominate the game and ruin it for everyone else.

Even a filthy casual like me can jump online and occasionally come first. Feels good. Nintendo made the smart move.

>>714363850
lol is that wings of redemption

>>714364860
>8 year olds who just want to spam items and let the RNG have them win even if they suck
How out of touch are you? 8 year olds these days play shit like Fortnite and watch videos about metafagging and OP builds and strats.

>>714367326
I just don't see the point in people genuinely being mad that a party game doesn't cater to the competitive crowd. If you make items ineffective to the point where some who sweats at the game for years can just piss off and stay in the lead forever you get a dead multiplayer game like CTRNF
They could probably make a "pro mode" or something like they did for Smash that doesn't spawn items at all but that mode would be dead as fuck

>>714367072
Items are fun I like them, I just want the intermission shit to be optional in race mode

>>714367480
>If you make items ineffective to the point where some who sweats at the game for years can just piss off and stay in the lead forever you get a dead multiplayer game like CTRNF

That's exactly what happened to MK8. The online is utterly shit and completely ruined by minmaxers. You never get anywhere near the Top 5.

This is why they're seething. They can't dominate the game. I've seen my 7 year old son playing MKW, whip their asses and come first.

It's just far more fun and balanced.

>>714366701
>just getting a good item

You can't guarantee that and there's also up to 23 other people who could do the same to you.

>>714354870 (OP)
redpill me on these tracks because at least half of these are boring as shit

>>714367060
nintendo bonus because the fans are shit eating retards that buy anything

>>714367480
Because the devs directly went against what the vast majority of players want and made the game less fun to play. What's so fucking hard to understand about that? It's possible to like parts of a game and admit that overall it's pretty fun, without being a massive bootlicker being offended when there's people saying there's parts of the game that aren't great

>>714367480
A pro mode could possibly work with a changed item list rather than no items.
Take out goldens, blue shells and lightning, make Kamek more common. Maybe a couple more items could go, I’m not sure, but it would allow frontrunning to work more often while still giving the pack a chance to catch up.

>>714358061
The min maxing fag strats are stronger on intermissions lil bro

I'm having a blast

I was thinking of getting a switch 2 by turning my switch 1 in (it's an original model, 2016, both sticks have drift, the screen is fairly scratched and it's struggling to load games, and yet FUCKING gamestop doesn't care and will take it for 120 bucks), is the mario kart world bundle worth it?

>>714367480
>dead multiplayer game like CTRNF
the game actually outsold the mainline crash 4 game and is still doing pretty well compared to most other kart racing games (though not as big as mariokart obviously). There's still a decent amount of people buying and playing this game. The biggest reason it dropped off in popularity wasn't because the gameplay was bad, but because Activation forced the studio supporting it to stop and go work on CoD instead.

>>714367480
Making this into a comp/casual issue is retarded. Both comps and casuals just want three lap races. The brand new idea, less than a month old, that intermission tracks are preferable for casuals, as if normal race tracks are a barrier to entry, is plain retarded. Mario Kart is a decades old franchise that is one of Nintendo's biggest hits. It's a worldwide cultural phenomenon to the point that blue shells are a meme and most people joke about them in reference to Mario Kart. 3-lap races were NEVER an issue and NEVER stopped Mario Kart becoming a smash hit. It is off the back of this formula that Mario Kart became what it is. The beauty of Mario Kart is that whether compfag or casual you can have a good time racing standard tracks. Casuals don't care about getting first anyway and are just happy with the item chaos, fun, and RNG wins. Compfags are happy to sweat it and place higher on average more consistently. It already had a perfected formula that broadly appealed to everyone. The whole idea that Mario Kart can be BOTWified and see a millionsfold sales increase to an exponentially bigger audience reeks of some stuffy old business exec's misunderstanding of video games as a singular product that work the same way every time.

>>714368548
>You can't guarantee that
What do you think "Bagging" is?
People deliberately start the race slow to guarantee a good item in last place, and then they just drive extremely passive the entire race until they get to the end of the race and then they use those items to boost themselves to somewhere between 4rth to first place. People do this ALL THE TIME in regular online racing. Which is why Knockout Tour is better online, because it actively punishes people staying in the back of the race.

>>714368271
>It's just far more fun and balanced.
NTA but I think you might be right. I remember winning 2 KOTs with the Para-Biddybud + Fine Thumper making me have the highest acceleration in the game in exchange for having the most dogshit speed and weight (you can imagine this setup being one of the worst in the game). I was skeptical/disappointment at first during the pre release season when they eliminated interchangeable kart customization but I can see why it's a good thing now. If this 7/8DX you've heavyweight minmax faggotry all over again with trying to make their acceleration stat not so terrible to be able dominate entire races again. Kart customization in World is pretty much you picking a combo based on your personal feelings towards it and rocking with it.

I'm tired of compfaggots acting like they speak for everyone

>>714367721
Or just make an actual race mode. There is no way to play 3 lap races outside custom games right now.

>>714367072
Because Knockout Tour isn't the thing people are complaining about dummie. Knockout Tour is good, it's the regular racing that's fucked. Try that a few days and you're going to understand why both casual and tryhard players hated the latest update. It was a change exclusive to online vs races, it didn't effect knockout tour in any way.

>still calling connected tracks "intermissions"
Are people just being retarded on purpose? An "intermission" in the game is the time spent in free roam between every online race

>>714371085
I also think it's a retarded way to name it but it's what's everyone else calls it and I just don't give enough of a fuck to try and correct the entire community

>>714371085
The fact that nobody can even agree on a name to call those things speaks volumes about how little value they add

>>714371085
>>714371501
They're highway tracks

>>714369507
You are completely broken over switch 2 and mkw. lol seek help

>>714372348
Don't care. I didn't buy the game, my friend did. I have played it with him. I think the game is decent, but has obvious flaws and that's what he tells me as well.

I don't believe Nintendo games and consoles are worth buying right now, which is why I think people should be less stupid when buying Nintendo products because literally the only way to make Nintendo go back to being consumer friendly like before Iwata died is by not letting them get away with being greedy scumbags that can just do whatever they want because their fanbase has no standards or self respect

my guide for metafagging

Looks like I got the game for compfags

>>714369613
>what the vast majority of players want
Whiny sweats are just a loud minority. Mario Kart is a game for normalfags and children who couldn't give less of a fuck about item balance

>>714354870 (OP)
The game is completed and not buggy
Why are you expecting an update?

>>714362993
>The update has nothing to do with minmaxxing or fixing minmaxxing.

>>714367060
Not anymore they don't, obviously.

>>714354870 (OP)
This game really needs a tutorial for the new mechanics
I remember them showing a bunch of new stuff for the direct but never ended up using any of it

>>714367380
Nintendo is trying to appeal to children. That doesn't mean they actually have that audience anymore. They don't. Doesn't stop them from trying because they know a bunch of aging old men isn't healthy.

>>714375562
There is a manual on the main menu screen that demonstrates all the new mechanics

>>714375207
What the flying fuck are you talking about you fucking retard. What do you think people are mad about? Why the fuck do you keep talking about item balance when what people are mad about is that they can't choose a 3 lap tracks gamemode online?

>>714375641
Well they're not appealing enough because the current problem is that the current game system is WAY too geared towards sweats who abuse the bagging strat to win every single fucking race. It's not fun for anyone, it's not even fun for the sweats because they get rewarded for playing in a way that's less fun than just being good at the tracks.

>>714354870 (OP)
If they update it they better add more outfits, DK only gets one and it's not thematic to either of his courses AND it looks like shit. They could also very easily add in the rest of the enemies as drivers too, like how the fuck is Boom-Boom not playable?

>>714357430
There's no rubberbanding that i can tell, if you fall behind there's often not any chance of catching back up even with bullet bills. You anons set my expectations super low for the game and i have been shocked with how good the game actually is, so thanks for that i guess.

>>714363791
Intermission courses look straight on the minimap but are usually more interesting than the more traditional courses, or at least i think they are.

>>714363850
kek, stuff like this happens to me sometimes, that's why it's mario kart not forza

>>714363919
I'm generally bad at video games and haven't actively played mario kart since the DS days so if i can get a lead and maintain it and get first at least 2 or 3 times in a 2 hour session of online plays then this guy just sucks, he's playing as bowser too, which if you get hit as bowser it just seems like it's over for you, some anon on /v/eekends MKW was playing bowser and getting last or near last everygame, he just blows

>>714364883
I assume you've got kids?

>>714374387
people get stressed out over these games? it's mario kart and mario kart clones, if you take it that seriously you need some perspective. idk if i'll get the sonic game though, i don't care for the less colorful more realistic art style of it. colorful visuals are important to me, my autism demands it.

>>714379289
Always seemed like the players doing decently in those on a consistent basis were either baby players or Daisy players.

>>714379289
Low Acceleration seems genuinely awful this game in a way it never has been before, its insane. It's not even a 24-player thing because even in comp/Lounge the sentiment that "there's a meta, but mostly everything is playable even-though you're gonna struggle with a low accel/handling combo" is everywhere.

>>714378757
>if you fall behind there's often not any chance of catching back up even with bullet bills
Explain this master strat
>>714363540

>>714355717
Funny thing is it's not even that the game they originally brought was what they wanted either.

People just made the fatal mistake of forgetting that just because there is an option to skip intermissions in custom games, that doesn't mean it's going to be what the main online matchmaker will use.

>>714367142
There is a pretty good argument that it does violate consumer rights. If it's agreed that refunds are a consumer right because a purchased product/server may not be what the consumer expected the same argument can be made for an update changing the game from what the consumer originally paid for.

how's the boycott
did everyone go back to 8d yet?

>>714382863
Is it even possible to know the statistics for that?

>>714383000
No, which is why steamchartcels hate Nintendo so much, they can't shitpost about the numbers

>>714367480
>>714367326
What are people even talking about? Why are you trying to act like this is about item balance and not Nintendo seeing how people want to play this $80 game and instead of facilitating that, forcing intermissions instead. This wasn't somehow some casual friendly thing when both casuals and competitive types hate intermissions because they're fucking boring.

This game doesn't have the typical nintendo polish. Which has been a more frequent occurrence over the last decade.
>no ocean/underwater exploration/tracks
>no sky/air only tracks locations
>what tracks are in the game are horribly unimaginative with maybe 5 of them being memorable
>roster and costumes are revolting
>kart choice/ customization is underwhelming

You know they're piggy backing the code for air ride

>>714383870
>no sky/air only tracks locations
what is great ? block ruins

This new update just proves how many people here don't even play video games and just come here to shitpost.

>>714384528
Yes, because world sucks so bad now I've got nothing better to do.

>>714379427
>arthur
>kids
He's way too autistic and ugly for that. He brags about having nieces and nephews instead. He did try to pretend he had a girlfriend once though and that was pretty funny.

>>714384615
That's what I mean, the new update is terrible. Anyone defending it is being completely disingenuous.

>>714382239
What's there to explain? He and the other bagging retard got a shit green shell and they don't get into a good placement by the end of the clip
If anything this clip hurts the bagging argument since these guys would have been better off just racing. You can't stop a retard from eating shit so why bother pointing it out?

>>714355717
holy fuck this is why i never bought into digital games.

>>714384980
>implying it was only 2
8 people bagged there. And they did it because it works. And it will continue to work until people like you remove the nintendick from your butt and stop throwing money at Nintendo for making trash.

>>714383870
>no ocean/underwater exploration/tracks
Underwater driving as the most useless gimmick in Mario Kart that absolutely no one gave a shit about. The new water tracks might have goofy controls, but they're at least a completely distinct style of driving and are more creative than underwater shit ever was
>no sky/air only tracks locations
Objectively untrue since Great ? block ruins, Bowser's castle, and airship fortress are all in the sky. You just want to bitch about there being no cloud exclusive theme but that's just you being autistic over a specific theming, and not an actual issue
>what tracks are in the game are horribly unimaginative with maybe 5 of them being memorable
Most of the tracks are incredibly creative and a lot of the retro ones have a unique spin put on them. Choco Mountain went from a generic brown mountain to a monster truck rally with chocolate instead of mud. Dry Bones burnout is a day of the dead inspired lava graveyard. They're no more or less original than any other MK's tracks
>roster and costumes are revolting
This one is just pants on head retard. Go look anywhere online and you spin people obsessing over the costumes in this game. I mean you'd have to be blind to not see everyone gooning over Daisy's outfits. The roster itself being made of goofy mario enemies is way more hilarious than having 8 roster slots hogged by the Koopalings
>kart choice/ customization is underwhelming
Kart customazition was one of the most half baked and flawed aspects ever introduced to Mario Kart. It bogged down the initial selection with meaningless stat charts and it didn't even add anything since people just settled on a "meta pick" anyway like you see with everyone using those dumbass roller wheels in 8DX. One of the best things World did was drop that shit

Anyway I hope you take this as a lesson that every point you raised was just straight up wrong or nonsensical. Evaluate how you could be so retarded or better yet just kill yourself.

>>714385452
Well gee anon If it works so well then then why don't you post a clip of it actually working instead of this retard getting a green shell you fucking troglodyte. Don't post a shit clip of two faggots rolling a green shell in last place who would have objectively been better off not bagging if you're trying to make this point

It doesn't matter how many people are doing it, just like it doesn't matter that there's a million people out there that like to eat shit. Actually post a clip of bagging being worth a damn instead of your garbage failed bagging attempt with a green shell. I don't even care about your crusade against Nintendo, I just hate you for being such a god damn moron you keep posting a clip of faggots getting green shells in last place trying to act like it proved bagging is broken.

You don't even realize how fucking realzie your own clip shows bagging being

>>714389092
That's not my clip, retard. And you know full well you're wrong, so don't waste my time.

>>714354870 (OP)
has nintendo ever, admitted that an intended design choice was a mistake?

>>714383870
>typical nintendo polish
A thing of the past, sadly.
The sports titles in particular lost that sparkle a while back.

>>714389706
they've definitely at least done it indirectly
remember when smash brawl intentionally included tripping as as middle finger to the competitive fans, and then smash 4 had a built-in competitive mode

>Finally unlock this lil guy
>Think he’s hilarious but also a bit cute
>Decide to take him online
>12 races, 6 victories
>2 Knockout Tours, 1 victory

Swoop Sweep it is for me, I guess

Next patch on the 17 to unlock new dk costume and mini pauline

>got stuck in the desert area courses for 30 minutes because the game kept fucking looping us back over there even on random
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>714389706
mario maker 2 not letting you play online with friends because they still had that fucking boner for local coop at the time and then they went back on it and added it

8snoys lost bigly

>>714391345
>Think he’s hilarious but also a bit cute
Wait a minute...

I really don't get why Choco Mountain and Moo Moo Farms had to come back AGAIN after ALREADY being in 8DX. Surely a GBA track so it gets actual rep and one of the as-of-now untranslated retros like Piranha Plant Pipeline or Mushroom City or even Moo Moo Farm would've been better

>>714397683
What?

>>714389706
How often does any game dev ever do that?

At best you'll get the indirect shit like >>714390080 where you can tell through their actions that they realised they fucked up. Slim chance of ever seeing them outright admit they did though.

>>714354870 (OP)
Trash game

>>714397689
who cares about those
why did they bring this shit back. the most hated track. even the new updated version sucks. if it weren't for that meme corner wallride at the end nobody would remember it

>>714388247
Honest question, why the fuck do people hate the Koopalings?

>>714389092
>Well gee anon If it works so well then then why don't you post a clip of it actually working
He posted a clip showing its become a dominant strategy. You aren't going to a clip of it working because that entails seeing the full race. Plus the fact there are multiple players pulling this shit now means it's not going to guarantee 1st place because they can't all get 1st.

>>714397689
I just hate the retheming of choco mountain, barely recognizable anymore

After learning a bunch of shortcuts and beating all the Staff Ghosts, this game absolutely enters the pantheon of Good Mario Kart games along with Wii, DS, abd Double Dash. Once they iron out some of the online stuff you'll all agree.

>>714398946
even if they fix intermissions online. there's the issue they can't balance bagging for shit
remove 2 items or the game will suck online, simple as that

>>714398814
To be fair, that's not the only wallride. The entire second half of the track is covered in ridable walls and grind rails. I've seen some players do some crazy Tony Hawk-like shit on that track.

DLC idea:
4 new retro tracks without even having to add new land to the world
GBA Rainbow Road (entered from the top of the map like World RR is from the bottom, but not explorable in free roam also like World RR)
GCN Wario Colosseum (put it near Wario Stadium)
Wii U Mount Wario (near DK Pass)
Wii U Cloudtop Cruise (in the sky, put it anywhere, easy to implement)

>>714398841
Somewhat overused with NSMBWii, NSMB2, and NSMBU. As for mario kart specifically it was mainly because of how many other characters were snubbed in favor of them. They cut characters like petey, birdo, funky, king boo, and even bowser jr himself, yet crammed in all 7 of them instead
Funny how in World where they would be appropriate given the larger racer count they got cut and instead replaced by mooks instead

>>714367480
It has nothing to do with xompetitiveness. The tracks are simply unfun to drive.

>>714399135
In my opinion 2 items was a mistake
They can't remove it though sadly
However, as items have to bearing on Time Trials, they can easily nerf them
Just nerf Goldens, and allow rare Mushrooms/Triple banans/Triple shells in 1st. That would be a start.

>>714399194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1XJvl9G7pE
it's not even worth doing any of the rails or blue path there. you're better off just hugging the corner or taking the middle rail if there's coins
they poorly balanced a lot of tracks in this game by adding all these "alternative trick paths" but most end up worse than just driving normally. like they had the right idea but they just dont have the payoff

>>714399554
this image really does summarize the design flaw with world. 24 players just isn't meant for mario kart. it should've been its own unique mode like 200cc, not the default.

>>714399554
There isnt more complexity on tracks than on connection. You are just high on ecelebs loyalty

>>714399682
nta but judging the worth of the alt paths solely by time trials is really bad because these are a controlled environment with a static item. In actual races I find myself going off the beaten path (especially if they have a double item box available like that roof section on Salty Salty Speedway) both to drop a few places in the interim and to keep pressure of myself (Especially if I'm in the pack). Hell, the wallriding part on DK Spaceport people meme on for not being faster has saved my ass plenty because I don't have to worry about the bajillion fireballs, iceballs, green shells, hammers, etc. being funneled into an incredibly tight space. Wallriding even dodges Red Shells if you time it right.

>>714399653
>Just nerf Goldens, and allow rare Mushrooms/Triple banans/Triple shells in 1st. That would be a start.
The items in first aren't really the issue. It's just there's no way for first to gain a lead by doing mushroom-less shortcuts or the like. They get blown up by blue shells and lightning too often due to 24 players rolling 2 sets of items, then get combo chained when the middle pack catches up. That's why only the final push of the race matters and why bagging is the ideal way
It's less an issue on lapped tracks and a much bigger issue on the intermissions. Even knockout tour has the same issue towards the end of each segment. Sneaking your way in last second is better than getting combod towards the end and falling out. It's just a fundamental flaw with 2 items and the track designs don't help incentivising front running and racing normally

>>714399886
I have a bigger issue with some of the items than I do the size.

Boomerang needs to go back to three shots and shorten its fucking range.
Mega Mushroom should be less punishing
blue shells should not fucking kill all momentum . especially while gliding.
Why is the blooper even in the lootpool? the thing is so rare that most people forget it even exists.
Characters need more mercy invincibility after hits in general.

>>714374387
I will be buying

>Wahhh I have to bag to win it's the best way to ensure I win in this party game!!!
Why don't you just play like normal and have fun?

>>714397689
>just realized I put Moo Moo Farms twice instead of Moo Moo Meadows
Just shows even more how easy the swap would've been

>>714400219
Oh I know timetrials are not the intention, just showing that it's faster to ignore all those alt paths. Sometimes you can consider it if there's a lot of item spam happening, but generally you just ignore it. Which is kind of depressing that all these cool alt paths are just meaningless most the time..

>>714400492
>why don't you just lose in a game where the objective is winning?

>>714399135
>>714399653
Surely dealing with bagging with two items is just a question of capping the number of last place items you can get to just one?

>>714400492
I unironically have more fun hanging out in the back to bag than I do racing normally only to get fucked over and over by the pack.

>>714400812
>I would rather win and be bored than have fun and potentially lose
Retarded cat poster

>>714400492
>racing game to win
>game literally even tells you to aim to win
>WHY ARE YOU PLAYING TO WIN
retard

>>714399903
>n-no, you're not just bored out of your mind, y-you must've just seen a youtube video!
>n-nintendo didn't just see lobbies full of people trying to skip intermissions and explicitly put out an update to screw everyone over after they spent $80 fucking dollars and half a grand on a new system

>>714400897
Then you have an issue of last place never being able to catch up because middle group is getting 2 items vs your 1.
2 items is just flawed. Sure it's fun but it will always create bagging. Even after they nerfed it in deluxe it is still good, that's just the result of being able to stockpile 2 items instead of 1.

3 invul items vs 2 in the pool and lightning only hitting in front only buffed bagging too. Plus garbage like ice flower and boomerang being stuck in your inventory until they expire nerfs regular items in the middle of the pack, even if they got mushrooms they're stuck with a boomerang unable to use the mushrooms

>>714400921
too much of a pussy to play to win like a chad, enjoy your high rank games full of metafags doing the same shit and making every race a chore FAAAAAAAAAAG hahaha

>>714399135
>there's the issue they can't balance bagging for shit
hard bagging is lame and gay but its thankfully not great on most courses. The ones with massive shroom cuts at near end like Cheep Cheep Falls, Choco Mountain, and Desert Hills are thankfully an outlier. Soft bagging is strong but it's not uninteractive (especially since 99% of the time its as unintrusive as purposefully going wide for a Double Item box to get better item if you're already in a lower position) so that being good is a non-issue, and there's plenty of trac where frontrunning is incredibly strong due to the presence of shroomless optimizations that let you build a lead (Whistlestop, Airship Fortress, Great ? Ruins, Wario Stadium, hell even DK pass because both the new wall cut near the start and the shroomless tree cut save more time together than the singular shroom cut at the end)

>>714400919
>I have fun losing!
i see your parents were the sort to give you participation trophies for your fuckups

>>714401282
I see you're a loser who needs to win in a video game to feel any sort of validation
Meanwhile I'll be here, having fun and enjoying myself

>>714401251
>because middle group is getting 2 items vs your 1
You've misunderstood. I said capping last place items you get to one. As in if you're in last place and bag, you'll probably get a bullet bill or gold mushroom, but the second item won't also be a last place item.

>>714401563
bro is so mysterious and unbothered
definitely not seething with rage in every mario kart thread that people dare to criticize his game in

>>714401563
You mean shitting and pissing yourself in this thread instead of playing the game you're desperately going to bat for.

>add a photo mode
>remove mario kart tv section to watch previous races

>>714401571
That's difficult to balance since even triple mushrooms are a mid place item. Because 1st is constantly getting raped by items the gap between the group and first isn't as big as it normally is, which benefits bagging a lot too.
It's honestly just a big issue with 2 items they can't really fix. And no chance they remove 1 items people would cry but at what point does bagging become such an issue they have to, or at least design a new system instead..

My main in this game is Rocky Wrench + R.O.B. HOG because I have excellent taste

>>714402414
>but at what point does bagging become such an issue they have to, or at least design a new system instead..
Honestly it already wasn't that big a problem in 8 Deluxe. Not after Nintendo dealt with it. It was only considered the best strategy in a minority of the tracks. Otherwise you only ever saw it done because you tried to stay at the front, failed and are trying to make the best out of the bad situation.

Do you just have to play bad and bag in single player knockout tour to win? 1st place is 1st place for the entire round and if you ever get 1st somehow all the bots that were miles away suddenly appear out of nowhere and buttfuck you with items and lower your placement instantly.

>>714403494
sadly you can't bag in knockout. you HAVE to be in first for every checkpoint.

>>714403484
>Otherwise you only ever saw it done because you tried to stay at the front, failed and are trying to make the best out of the bad situation.
If you watch comp it's pretty much the same thing outside of the occasional "purposefully miss the start boost" strat. The courses that promote hard bagging aren't remotely popular in evnironments where people can choose tracks because frontrunning in World is (in my opinion) some of the funnest its ever been

>>714363850
>Playing a no-acceleration combo online
It's like he wants a losing streak

>>714403484
I just question how effective a nerf of that would even be here. The new systems in world benefit bagging more than in deluxe
>Intermissions and some tracks have insane shortcuts only golden + other items can cross
>24 players make the middle+front an item spamming hell getting combod
>Tracks in general are very wide and offer little advantage for people to gain an advantage driving mechanically
Once we get 200cc a lot of these issues will be solved honestly, but till then bagging is going to remain extremely strong

>>714403664
Hard to do that when you get hit by blueshell or lighting that magically appears even though they don't appear ever beforehand to the 1st place bot

>>714363850
using stellar sled online
No chance in hell unless it's with the lightest babies.

>>714403494
You can bag the first 2-4 checkpoints (depending how many NPCs are in the lobby), it's actually ideal to guarantee you to the spots. but after that you need to start racing, there's less shit hitting you at that point and items aren't as strong

>>714403958
>get 200cc
>it's as rare(nonexistent) as it was in 8 deluxe after multiple patches

>>714403958
>Tracks in general are very wide and offer little advantage for people to gain an advantage driving mechanically
This is objectively false, what the fuck are you talking about. If you mean the intermissions sure, but most of the tracks explicitly offer railgrind/wallrun cuts that let you get a strong lead even in first. Not everything is Desert Hills.

>>714404257
suurely it'll have it's own mode to queue in... haha...

>>714404262
Yeah I'm talking about intermissions. Since too bad we're stuck with them even outside knockout tour

>>714364576
More importantly, it's a solved game at this point. Everyone knows what the meta build is and how to do every optimized racing line and shortcut based on mushroom status at this point. Seems to be why Nintendo's pushing the rally sections so much, since the traffic is almost completely randomized and the tony hawk sections aren't automatically guaranteed to be faster.

When did tendies overtake snoys as the single most contemptible subhumans on the board?

>>714407369
when you learned your wife's boyfriend is a nintenchad

>>714407369
The reality is most modern tendies are former snoys. It's no coincidence they're so similar and all they do is jack off over sales because it makes them think they're part of that success, even when corporations just use it against them. When sony screwed them, they fled to nintendo, and now nintendo's screwing them, but they're too dumb for pc, so they just sit on this board and scream.