Thread 714381561

>devs should literally have to support every single game until the end of time
>i deserve to join a server 50 years after the game came out with the only other autist that is still playing it for some reason
You people are insane.

Isn't the argument that they should let you run your own server and/or release source code?

>>714381561 (OP)
kill yourself pirate, why are you being so disingenuous

>>714381561 (OP)
bro i already signed it you don't have to convince me

>>714381952
it is
the goal is basically making killswitches illegal
if you're selling a game, it's a product, and you can't just decide to shut it down like a service
if you sell a product/good, especially since it's not even physical, legislative principles dictate that it cannot be taken away
the funny thing is I'm basically against the EU, and I hope it dies, but those who try to kill this whole initiative can't even get arguments right
I'm not necessarily for it but at least I don't spend my time lying on the Internet

>>714381952
>FP
>OP already completely obliterated into tiny idiotic shards
how embarrassing

>>714381561 (OP)
p2p servers and single player mode offline
has been done before

>>714381561 (OP)
you can be right and insane.

>devs should literally have to support every single game until the end of time
>i deserve to join a server 50 years after the game came out with the only other autist that is still playing it for some reason

>>714381561 (OP)
This wouldn't have happened if you just let us have community servers.

>>714382356
>build amusement park
>after a few decades it is no longer profitable
>NOOOO YOU CANT JUST SHUT IT DOWN! YOU HAVE TO KEEP THE PARK OPEN FOREVER BECAUSE THREE PEOPLE LIKE ONE OF YOUR RIDES!
>JUST USE YOUR OWN MONEY TO KEEP IT OPEN!
delusional.

>live in the US so I can’t sign it
I hope the euros get it done

>>714382569
>p2p servers and single player mode offline
>has been done before
For what games? And how many even use them?

>>714382920
>NOOOO YOU CANT USE OUR RIDE IN YOUR PARK YOU BUILT AFTER WE CLOSED OURS!

>>714382920
He just differentiated between “product” and service”, and then you confused them again.

>>714383081
>WHAT IF WE WANT TO OPEN OUR PARK AGAIN LATER!? YOU ARE LITERALLY ROBBING US OF POSSIBLE POTENTIAL FUTURE SALES WE COULD CONCEIVABLY MAKE IF THE CONDITIONS ARE JUST RIGHT IN TWENTY YEARS!

>>714383168
Online games with lobbies/servers are a service. stop lying.

>>714381952
>>714382356
>we don't want developers to run servers forever
>we want developers to forever host the files we need to run our own servers

>>714382920
They should be forced to forfeit the park to ANYONE willing to keep it running

The USA has this issues with hospitals too

Tons of hospitals shutdown the second they aren't profitable for shareholders anymore

That's pretty fucking degenerate, capitalism is degenerate

>>714382920
You're mistaking a product for a service.

>>714383423
>leftist brain rot
>appeal to emotion
Opinion discarded.

>>714383027
>For what games?
Warcraft 3 and Age of Empires 2 for example
>And how many even use them?
a lot of people

Why is constant disingenuous bullshit arguments the standard post? Is it like this everywhere on the internet now?

>>714383524
Online games are by definition a service. If you can't unplug the ethernet cable and play the game, it is not a product.

>>714383027
>For what games? And how many even use them?
Basically every game before like.... 2008 used p2p servers.

>>714383532
Capitalism is the belief that shareholders, who don't know anything about anything, and would kill you if it was legal and made them $1 richer, should run society and make the decisions for humanity.

Literally every problem you can think of is caused by or exacerbated by capitalism.

Not engineers, not programmers, not doctors, not 150 IQ geniuses

Shareholders, any retard with money and absolutely no other credentials, is who makes the decisions for society and humanity under capitalism

>>714383657
Incorrect. It's a product.

>>714383865
BZZZZT WRONG
Trump already made it clear that this is all schizoid pearl clutching from liberal morons, and if it is true, then the liberals are the perpetraitors. Get with the times, zoombie.

>>714383917
>A rental car is a product and I should be able to keep it.
Retard.

>>714382920
More like:
>Be build an amusement park that needs no maintainance to work
>But how do we sell amusement park 2 to people?
>Idea, let's just destroy what people paid for and make another
I'm sure there are workarounds to this like launching a final update that fucks up game progression and fun to discourage people from playing it infavor of their other upcoming game, but at least get your facts straight anon.

>>714381561 (OP)
Yes
Try and stop us

>>714384118
>A car ac isn't a product and you shouldn'tbe able to use it if the company doesn't want you to
Stop killing cars.

>>714382936
It will not do shit. Do you think the joos in power are going to allow the cattle to have fun and remove their possible future profits when remaking the games they don't kill? nope.

>>714384118
You don't pay full price for a rental car before renting it.

>>714383657
Just because you have online authentication doesn't mean you are a service

>>714382920
>build a video game studio
>after a few decades it is no longer profitable
>continues to receive millions in government grants and bail outs

start killing video game companies

>>714381561 (OP)
>>devs should literally have to support every single game until the end of time
No, devs should pass the server binary or source code to the end user
>>i deserve to join a server 50 years after the game came out with the only other autist that is still playing it for some reason
Yes

>Renting a house
>Lease is up
>Owner wants to sell the house and move on
>Demand the government force the owner to keep renting to you forever because you want it that way
Why are zoomies like this?

what is with all the freeloader culture?

>>714383389
They just need to release once for like a month and it’d spread like wildfire

>>714384592
Kek, this is actually what happens with housing anon.

>buy a Smart AirConditioner
>can use my phone app to change temperature at home, for my dog or to prepare for coming home from work
>couple of years pass
>product doesn't sell anymore
>manufacturers stop the phone app service
>now i can't use my product that i bought from them
>it was clearly sold as a product, not a service, and this is obviously fraud
>americans don't see the issue with this

>>714384592
What Vidya do you live in anon?

>>714384592
Private ownership of land you don't personally live/work on should be illegal

You shouldn't be allowed to claim you "own" land and charge a subscription fee for it

Just like I shouldn't be allowed to set up a chain blocking boats from passing through a river unless they pay me a fee

>>714383389
They just need to package with the game.
Watch how shills will ignore the fpbp and use the same strawmen again and again.

>Sucking some guys dick
>I demand he keeps shooting loads in my mouth forever
In what world does it make sense?

>>714384029
nothing is clear to you retard

>>714384932
Only governments can own land. Humans cannot, and if they do, they are stealing from the government. Humans pay fees for the privilege of occupying land temporarily until the government requires that land. You always owned nothing and you will never be happy.

>>714382356
It's not even that, the killswitch can happen but they want the ability to start things up again with hosting their own servers when the devs arae done with it.

>>714384592
>buy the new Smart Home door for my house
>the door has no lock, it opens via an app on my phone, unlocked by my fingerprint
>phone sends signal to company servers, they authenticate and send signal to door, door opens
>the company selling it gets purchased in some corpo merger and the servers are shut down
>i can't enter my house

Why can't, for example, the company release the code so a community of users can host a server? Or I can host my own server? Or make some bootleg solution so the phone talks to the door peer-to-peer?
Why is the DOOR, something traditionally sold as a product and not a service, and that the layman consumer can't be expected to treat as a service when buying, something that can get cancelled like this?

>>714383645
look up pil pul

>>714383389
It's called GitHub you fucking moron

>>714381561 (OP)
You lost and got raped Thor also reading comprehension null.

>>714385251
>Only governments can own land

This would be a massive improvement compared to capitalism, and I wish it was true

Land should be not be for-profit, it should not be an "investment", you should not have people buying land they'll never even see IRL.

It's a degenerate system

>>714385337
Should have designed your own system instead of paying for some kike's scam.
>Y nOt jUsT mAkE yOuR oWn GaMe!?
Yes.

>>714384118
It's more like you pay a price for a car, and they don't give you a date for when the rental is up. And they don't need to give you any notice before they smash the window to break in and take the car off your driveway,. You still have the keys but you haven't any car to drive.

>>714381561 (OP)
It's insane to have access to something you paid for? Ok.

>>714385534
>buy shoes for my child
>his feet burn from the contact
>shoes had toxins in them
>me: "government shouldn't allow this to be sold
>smug goy: "should've made your own shoes ;)"

>>714381561 (OP)
I hope it succeeds. If it fucks up and backfires, it only affects UK and EU. If it works, it's a kick in the teeth for shitty devs.

>>714385515
It's working as intended, everybody, regardless of their wealth pays annual fees for any land they "own" to the government of the country in which that land resides. They are renters. If they don't pay the fees, the government takes back the land. Land is a service.

>>714381561 (OP)
>you sold a defective product (game that can't be played anymore
>refund full MSRP + tax + interest
Why is this so hard for game publishers?

>>714385515
Funny enough the US government owns a shit ton of land
I'm not saying it as a negative, the parks here are a shining jewel

>>714385706
>smug goy: "should've made your own shoes ;)"
I look like this and I sound like this. Stop buying shitty shoes made in sweatshops by illegals. Buy honestly made American products. Is that so hard?

>>714383389
You have to be a /g/ armchair nodev to be this stupid and disingenuous.

>>we want developers to forever host the files we need to run our own servers
That's not your problem. You release the server files, support it a little to iron out bugs, and that's it. Keeping it up afterwards is the responsibility of the distribution platform (typically Steam).

>>714385967
>governments shouldn't regulate the sawdust content of bread, because you can just make your own bread if you don't like eating sawdust
Why are americans like this?

>>714381952
>>714383389
Yeah and it's not targeted towards "games as service" slop where the selling-point lies from it having continuous service so it is perfectly realistic.
It's only targeted towards lazy shit where it doesn't sell itself as a service, but has a forced connection to a server so they can bar people from having access to the game for the sake of having control over customers.
If you don't want to do a bare-minimum to let people host the server, make it offline, if you want to have control over the game, sell the game as a service not a product, it's simple as that.

>>714381561 (OP)
Yes
Now kys faggot Jew shill

>>714381561 (OP)
Yes I can still play CS1.6 online, I don't see why that should be a problem

I wish I could atomize everyone in this thread and then myself.

>>714383423
>They should be forced to forfeit the park to ANYONE willing to keep it running
If I'm your neighbor, I deserve to own your land if I decide to mow it before you get the chance to. This is LITERALLY your argument, by the way.

>>714381561 (OP)
it is genuine juvenile insanity
gamers are a joke

>>714384592
(You) are the zoomer here retard, since you don't know what the fuck a dedicated server is.
You can still play Half-Life 1 online because you're able to make your servers, it costs nothing to keep it up

>>714386480
Cry shill
Cry
I hope you all go bankrupt faggotshits
Yes we are crazy
What you gonna do corpo faggot?

>>714386480
Why don't you die about it?

>>714381561 (OP)
If the literal most sold game in the world can do it, why can't the rest?

>>714385170
You joke, but there are monster girls who unironically think and act like this.

>>714385170
Let me know so I can find it. Don't you hold out on me, motherfucker.

>>714382356
>game reaches the end of its life
>wanna killswitch
>cant
>dont wanna release source code
>keep server alive and make people pay 25$ monthly subscription
Whats going to stop companies from just doing shit like this?

>>714386596
i mean you're the one crying about not being able to play overwatch 1
i've moved on with my life
>>714386653
i have hobbies unlike you LOL

>>714386738
gamedev is hard work :/

>>714385967
>Buy honestly made American products.
I would if they weren't the same quality at ten times the price.

>>714387034
I'm currently engaged in my hobby: making you reply. ;) I couldn't give a single shit about vidya.

>>714387025
Oh no, guess I'll just........not play the game? That's the problem with you SKG fags, you're all obsessed with games that you should have been avoiding in the first place.

>>714387084
You get what you pay for. Your ability to afford anything is an illusion created by globalism.

>>714386847
That's why they are monsters
I mean look at this
They radiate evil

>>714386847
>Cum inside spider girl once
>She demands I keep impregnating her forever
This is abuse, we need to create a support group for anons or something

>>714384592
couldn't think of a better analogy

>>714386019
>distribution platform (typically Steam).
or their own website which they'd have to keep at the top of SEO metrics to stop people from downloading fake virus infested builds because imagine if the shareholders of EA woke up one morning and saw "EA DISTRIBUTING INFECTED SOFTWARE" on the front page of a tech news website because said website didnt do their research properly, good luck trying to contain the misinformation!

>>714381561 (OP)
it's actually asking devs to be more passive and do less work
instead of going out your way to kill a game and go after people trying to revive it on their own, they want you to instead not do that
it's not retroactive, only for games going forward
hope this clears it up for you :D

>>714387025
>game reaches the end of its life
>wanna killswitch
If you are selling your game as a service killswitch is fine, if you are selling it as a product, why do you have a killswitch system in the first place?

>>714387987
>If you are selling your game as a service killswitch is fine
It is still not fine IMO. ''service'' games should also be preserved. It can be done. There are private servers for several ''dead'' MMOs.

>>714387941
This. Setting servers and building the legal-loophole killswitch system for the sake of CEO being able to have a killswitch (and not because they need a server for the sake of providing live-service), is more work for devs than just making an offline game without a killswitch.

>>714384592
Unironically yes.
If you live there for long enough, and are willing to keep it maintained, there's no reason it shouldn't be yours.
The real estate market needs to crash hard; there are already plenty of homes(at least in the US), but so many of them are bought up and rented out by others in a sort of neo-feudalism. This leads to a lot of ecological destruction in creating new pop-up neighborhoods to meet demand of those who profit from real estate.

Cement down the toilet of every landlord.

>>714383389
hmmm what if... they could give the users who purchase their games some sort of physical memory... something round like a shiny disk? I don't know...

>>714388218
sure you could say that, and that would of-course be ideal, but it has nothing to do with the Stop Killing Games.
Mixing that kind of unrealistic wish-fulfillment with the current initiative is what's causing faggots like OP or the ferret fucker to downplay the movement, so it's probably better to leave that idea for now, maybe in future, sure.

>>714388339
>unplug server
>people have mental gymnasticed their way into thinking this is more effort than hiring a dev to patch a game

>>714382356
>the funny thing is I'm basically against the EU, and I hope it dies, but those who try to kill this whole initiative can't even get arguments right
I'm in the same boat. Brussels can be leveled for all I care but customer protection laws are the few redeeming things I like about it.

>>714383354
This argument only works if the game is free.

>>714387357
>you should not be reading these books anyway

>devs should literally have to support every single game until the end of time
They wouldn't have to if they would let us keep our own god-damned data in our own storage instead of having to store it on their own servers, so we can make our own servers once they stop supporting shit.
>i deserve to join a server 50 years after the game came out with the only other autist that is still playing it for some reason
Yes, especially if you paid for it, and has singleplayer features that doesn't require a server owned by the devs.
Tons of older games have done this.
There is literally nothing insane about this shit, you fucking moron.

I really don't understand people who are against this. For as long as I've been aware of online video games, I had a thought of how sad it would be to not be able to play anymore when the servers are inevitably shut down. But this is beyond emotion, since if the servers are shut down, you lose use of something you paid money for. The game's company can just take it away from you, and I don't like that.

>>714385251
>Humans pay fees for the privilege of occupying land temporarily until the government requires that land. See Waco siege and Bundy Ranch.
But at least in america, I can kill a few government agents that first try to take it.

Total GAAS Death

>>714393759
You'll still be dead and your ranch will be a Walmart.

>>714385932
Not for long!

>>714381561 (OP)
>devs should have the right to remove your access to a 80$ game anytime they want
>you should be forbidden to play a game if the dev decide it compete with their new product
I do hope you are a desperate bot-farm workers needing the money to feed a family.

>>714381561 (OP)
I love how these shills conflate devs and the filthy kikes publishing their work

>>714383865
Technically, what you describe is plutocracy.
Capitalism only defends that accumulating capital is the ultimate goal, linking it with private ownership and working against state-enforced redistribution.
Not saying it's a good thing or it doesn't lead to the former.

keeping ancap out of this because anarchy isn't a real polity, it's just brainwashed idiots paving the ground for top-down system where the lower castes are divided to never disobey the upper caste.

>>714383168
>confused
Awfully generous

>>714381561 (OP)
Its not just some autist though. TLOU Remastered multiplayer has at least hundreds of people on it at any given time and MGO2 online through emulation can have a few hundred at certain times. These companies should still support these games people play

>>714381561 (OP)
I can still boot up BF1942 or BF2 and join a server maintained by the community, can you say the same about your modern titles?

>>714384592
>Bought a house
>Seller built a new house
>Seller now want for you to buy the new house so he lock your door, cut electricity & water.
>Demand the government force the seller to respect your ownership of the product he sold you
Why are sane people like this?

>>714384905
learn to code. Hook up your systems to a esp/arduino/pi and home assistant then control everything with apis.

>>714387025
>Whats going to stop companies from just doing shit like this?
They'll be forced to make it clear to their clients they intend to do that.
Hypothetically,
And I know that's a hard to believe premise.
Hypothetically, the customers make an informed choice and decide by himself whether the "service" offered is worth the developer being able to do this at any time, taking into account the trustworthiness of the companies.