Thread 714435976

>badass, cool and serious franchise for teens and adults becomes more goofy and kid friendly
Is there any video game example?

>>714435976 (OP)
Teen titans was wannabe fake anime trash

>>714435976 (OP)
Remember the 90's and early 2000's when DC was cool and marvel was a joke?

>>714435976 (OP)
Yume 2kki after it became a zoomer MMO

If you wanna know why Cartoon Network is dead. It was when teen titans go was greenlit.
>>714436089
Scilence faggot cretin

>>714436175
Marvel IS a joke

>>714435976 (OP)
It's funny that 2003 Teen Titans fans rage about Teen Titans Go! infantilizing their show, as if 2003 TT didn't do the same with the 80s New Teen Titans comics

Look up what Slade and Terra's relationship was in the comic. It was a bit more than "mentor and sidekick".

>>714436993
People who watch the '03 show don't give a shit about the comic, and the people who watch Go! don't give a shit about the '03 show.

>>714437045
I care about the comic, 2003, GO and the movies with Damian.

>>714435976 (OP)
>teen titan
>dark and serious
>for teens and adults
LMAO! the absolute delusion of milenialfags

Anybody ever read that comic with robin falling off a skyscraper while some woman with knives for arms fought a demon?

>>714435976 (OP)
>No Wally
>No Roy
>And no Donna
Both suck

>>714436175
>>714436459
>>714437045
all cartoons are shit, anime is 1000x better.

teen titans was awful as an action cartoon. no continuity, the choreography was dogshit, and no one dies because they're hit by fucking lasers. Action cartoons were greatly restricted by Christian right-wing soccermoms. I do not misd that era at all.

Meanwhile, Gundam SEED which was released at that time had a space colong invasion where angsty teenagers invaded a military base killed people. Same with DBZ
https://youtu.be/pmXNQe0mL2Q

>>714435976 (OP)
>For teens and adults
It was a cartoon network show man

WHAT'YA GOT THERE? SOUR GRAPES!
YOU GOT A GRIP OF SOUR GRAPES!
OOOH!
THEM SOUR GRAPES!
YOU BROUGHT THEM SOUR GRAPES!
SOUR GRAPES, SOUR GRAPES!
YOU GOT THEM SOUR GRAPES!
OH SOUR GRAPES!
YOU BROUGHT US A GRIP OF SOUR GRAPES!
OH BOO-HOO-HOO!
HE GOT THEM SOUR GRAPES!

>>714438473
This shit is unironically catchy.

>>714436993
I don't hate go for not being 03 I just think it's kinda shit and every time they take a swipe at the fanboys that do hate it for not being 03 seems really pathetic
>>714436175
nah marvel was cool. spiderman anyway, with the raimi movies. and everyone had hulk hands don't lie and pretend you didn't at least want them

>>714438473
DC tv peaked here

>>714438218
>Same with DBZ
Death means nothing in dragon ball

>>714436089
>>714438218
You will never be Japanese.

Fuck teen titans that shit aired at like 6 am so I would always miss it and I'm still butthurt about it.

>>714435976 (OP)
the teen titans/avatar airbender fans rivalry was peak 2005 myspace

>>714435976 (OP)
You know it sucks that Teen Titans Go indirectly killed Cartoon Network.
I blame the city of Boston for this shit.

>>714438473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Zax6nyWEY

>>714435976 (OP)
Teen Titans Go!
ThunderCats Roar!
And Post-Season-3-SpongeBob-SquarePants

All these cartoons are faithless remakes made by people who never watched the original but know the bare minimum about all the characters, they know Mr Krabs is the "cheap one" and Raven is the le "depressed one" etc. These people make extremely infantile remakes of beloved classics, because money. If you notice these shows don't have to be Teen Titans. I don't know how to make you understand, but imagine if you replaced all the characters in TTG with completely random OC characters, the show still works, because it's not a super hero show, it's just a lazy flash show with TTG characters specifically to profit off of their good name, but it's not a TTG show. All these shows are literally the exact same show if you boil it down and peak underneath the curtains. it's the exact same show and they simply copy and paste some beloved nostalgic characters onto it, lol.

Red X was the best character they ever made. I wanted more of that Robin

I don't know quite the words to make you understand, but all these remakes are the same show and they just put nostalgic characters in it.

TTG would be the exact same cartoon if there were no superhero characters in it, and it was just OC characters. Because it's just a slice of life comedy, and it has nothing to do with the teen titans. All these shitty remakes are exactly like this. Lol.

>>714438171
based, they better be in the DCU

The two leads developers of TTG, Aaron Horvath, and Michael Jelenic, come up with all their ideas while eating together at Olive Garden, and they are also the same two guys who got hired to make the Mario Movie and the upcoming second Mario Movie. Lol.

>>714439636
>>714439779
Is this a pasta?

>>714439309
fake death is better than no death

anime >> invincible >>>>>>>>> teen titans and every single shitty action cartoon that millennials have nostalgia for

i do not miss that era at all, GO realized that it was a joke because it is! It was extremely watered down safe slop like TMNT, and it didn't even teach good themes! It was complete shit like Generator Rex and Ben 10

Teen Titans Go is hilarious.

>>714436089
Anime inspired shows that take direct influence from real anime are great. Fake anime shows that superficially try to ape a generalized anime "style" with no specific influences suck. Teen Titans is the former, and is quite good.

It's the same reason anime with western theming are great: it comes from a place of love and admiration.

>>714437773
>posts TTG
RETARD ALERT WOOP WOOP

>>714437773
>posts TTG
GENIUS ALERT WOOP WOOP

>>714439903
Sex

>>714435976 (OP)
does nidhogg count?

>>714440201
>Teen Titans is the former
It's not

>>714436993
the comics are trash, melodramatic sex and relationship woes don't belong in fucking cape comics

>>714435976 (OP)
>Killed CN so hard they became a baby network
fucking grim

Ratchet and Clank

>>714442720
that would be the AT&T merger

>>714436640
Ironheart is good doe

>>714442782
Fuck nu-Insomniac for neutering the series, they should've just let it retire after the PS2 games.

>>714443404
who spent time to make this for RATCHET of all characters?

>>714435976 (OP)
TTG is kino

I used to play that shitty Shockwave fighting game with the boys back in Middle School instead of studying. Good times.

>>714435976 (OP)
Halo after 4. Halo 5 and Infinite are literally rated T for Tame.

The TV knight episodes are the best

>>714435976 (OP)
>muh srs cartoon for grown-ups
>can't even call Deathstroke by his name

>>714444781
No

>>714447930
Yes they are sketches are funny

>>714444798
This

>>714444798
>>714448035
Deathstroke sounds like a fucking TikTok trend. Slade is better.

>>714449562
>actually censorship is good when it's for my nostalgia.

>Censorship is good because it changed the outdated edgy name
'greed.

>>714435976 (OP)
God of War

>>714435976 (OP)
God of War
>Original is super serious and doesn't hold your hand
>reboot tells you the answers to puzzles within 5 seconds of reaching them
>Original has serious dialogue(where it exists)
>Reboot is MCU quips galore
The M rating is meaningless when games have lower and lower requirements for the player's intelligence. We're at a point where those fun edutainment games we played as kids would be too complicated for the modern gamer who only plays M rated AAA slop. That's not to even start mentioning yellow paint

>>714435976 (OP)
What was his problem? Seriously I was always confused by the cartoon because they were never aired in order I never knew what the fuck he wanted

TTG had an I Am Weasel cameo recently, absolute kino.

>>714436640
I don't care about all that, I just want to say that I love White Castle so much. It means the world to me. God bless White Castle.

>>714435976 (OP)
I always thought it was retarded how TT hyped up deathstroke as some endgame villain when in the grand scheme of DC he was just another jobber tier villain who just happened to get his own spin off.

>>714436459
>make Raven even sexier
>this is bad
I'll never understand /v/ and I've been here since the site launched in 2016.

>>714435976 (OP)
I'm not a capeshitfag so I don't remember much about the 2003 series (to me it was just random episodes whenever I caught it on TV, I don't remember any storylines).

Why was Robin so fucking assmad about this guy? Every time he was on screen it was like pic related but instead it was "Slade".

Cartoon Network went to shit when Yamauchi retired.

>>714451134
>zoomers find this sexy

>>714451480
ITT: shit zoomers say
>Surfin Bird is only popular because of Family Guy! Nobody knew about it before!
>pre-2015 video with surrealist/absurd humor
>"woah, this video was ahead of its time!"
>Boomers are the reason why I'm a loser.
>It aged poorly
>It doesn't hold up
>It's 20 years old. That means it's retro
>Fanboy and Chum Chum wasn’t that bad
>Early 2010s was the Cartoon Network renaissance
>Family Guy has improved
>Superman was the first superhero
>Gross-out cartoons are bad
>Cartoons peaked with Avatar
>Teen Titans was the first cartoon with an ongoing story
>Spongebob shovelware on PS2? Now that was kino
>Post-sequel Spongebob is good
>Pokimane is hot
>Bomberman is a literal who
>Jimmy Neutron is better than Dexter’s Lab
>Butch Hartman is a hack
>Sonic X is /co
>PS2 had the best library of all time lmao
>Dreamcast superior to PS2? This is just ridiculous and untrue
>Wii was soul
>Skibidi Toilet is better than TF2 freaks
>Seth MacFarlane is funny
>fr no cap

>>714440201
This

>>714450524
>>714451401
Well I think I'm noticing a pattern here

>>714436089
FPBP

>>714435976 (OP)
Halo....from Bungie's decisions with Halo 2, 3, and ODST.

>>714435976 (OP)
Teen Titans Go is not meant to be taken seriously. It's a funny childrens comedy you uptight autistic manchild. Reminds me how people went apeshit over Batman Brave and the Bold because it was the newest DC cartoon right after JLU and The Batman ended.

>>714451543
>It's 20 years old. That means it's retro
It fucking is. The 70s were retro in the 90s.

>>714444798
Killer Moth was fine for some reason but who gives a shit, Slade sounds cooler anyway

>>714451828
>It's a funny childrens comedy you
Lost me at "funny".

>>714451828
>The Batman
But Batman TAS faggots hated it too. For them TAS is the only good Batman cartoon.

Dragon Age but instead of being Kid friendly it's a fucking therapy session for the writers.

>>714451828
>Brave and the Bold was in the process of giving Batman an OC Donut Steel, Cosmic Tier villain as part of some season spanning plot arc before it was cancelled
All the bitching on the internet must have broken them because it was a terrible goddamn idea

I hate flat design

>>714436175
X-Men Animated and Spider-Man were objectively better than the Justice League crap.

>>714452859
That's not even flat design, that's just calarts corpo bullshit.

>>714452986
They weren't

>>714453094
TTG designs aren't calarts.

>>714453116
DCucks are not to be taken seriously. Same people that dickridded the Snyderverse into an early grave.

>>714453171
Kill yourself zoomer nigger. Keep licking those jewish balls.

>>714440201
>Teen Titans is the former
is it?

>>714453204
The only reason you're arguing over which capeshit company is better than the other is because one appeals to normies with all of their IP's and the other only appeals to normies with Batman.

>>714451828
Actual children don't find TTG funny. Its cheap and easy to produce and keeps them glued to TV's but its not funny or entertaining. Jesus I'd like to think a chimpanzee would be incapable of laughing at the show, don't tell me you're more subhuman than a chimp?

>>714453219
Calarts doesnt mean "thing I hate", retard. These designs have more in common with Dexter and PPG (same designer) than with actual calarts shows like Steven Universe.

@714453641
Didn't read, also disgusting image
Better luck next time nigger

KYOO MO KOOTSUU RUURU WO MAMORU YOOOOOOOO
TEEN TITANS!
SUKI-KIRAI NAKU NAN DEMO TABERU YOOOOOOO
TEEN TITANS!

>>714451543
>Jimmy Neutron is better than Dexter’s Lab
This is a fact

>>714436089
I never saw it as anime-like, I just saw it as an extension of the DCAU that told you what Robin was doing in between becoming Nightwing.

>>714453892
Nice quote faggot. Go back

>>714444798
nah, they made Slade sound like a cool ass name
it was an excellent choice

>>714453503
>Superman doesn't appeal to normies

>>714453450
>"What's the theme song to our american comic superhero based show going to be?"
>"Oh I know, we have to get a japanese pop rock to sing Engrish.

>>714454281
THERE'S DOOM AND GLOOM WHEN POSTS GO "ZOOM". FOR DEXTERS LAAAAAAB!

@714454454
>Nigger thinks I'm quoting him

>>714451418
nah, it doesnt work man.
some peak shit was happening in the right era.
almost as if cosmic forces were balancing out the absolute dogshit that accompanied them

>>714454304
>Slade takes over a city
>Batman and the Justice League don't care
>Trigon destroys the world
>Batman and the League don't care
>The Brotherhood of Evil kidnaps every young hero around the world
>...

>>714454143
>>714454517
By the way, has anyone ever translated the Japanese lyrics? It's all random fucking nonsense lmao

>>714453892
How old are you?

>>714454281
JN had better side characters. Dexter has no friends, meanwhile Hugh can carry entire episodes with his antics along with Carl and Sheen. Plus the villains are alot better. Dexter always had better action and segments and humor at times.

>>714454635
Yeah the no-Batman rule got pretty weird, like there was one episode where they were alluding to Batman complete with bats, but they never directly state his name in the series IIRC.

>>714454635
>thinks the Loser League can do anything about an interdimensional Lovecraftian demon

>>714454635
>Slade takes over a city
The same day it happens the Titans return.
>Trigon destroys the world
Which includes the JL. The TT were the only ones left along with Raven whos the key to defeating him. Everything gets reset after.
>The Brotherhood of Evil kidnaps every young hero around the world
Alot of young heroes do their own thing as teens. They don't have trackers on them 24/7. Speedy had his own solo bout in the comics as did Wally who ended up with the Titans then his own hero.

>>714454507
And surprise! They literally can't make him interesting without Batman. Throw Joker in there and you get the most normie hit pieces of media consumed. Try getting a normie intersted in aquaman.

STEP ASIDE NIGGERS

>>714454778
Jimmy Neutron was a more normal show while Dexter was bizzare and unsettling like a lot of shows of that era.

>>714454939
>Dexter
>unsettling
What did you smoke? Dexter was comfy as shit.

Teen Titans wasn't for adults

>>714454914
>Try getting a normie intersted in aquaman.
The Aquaman movie made a gorillion dollars. He is one of the most recognizable superheroes on the planet since he has always been part of Superfriends.

Superfriends was an internationally recognized brand until Bruce Timm and Geoff Johns fucked it all up with their hard-on for the Justice League.

I don't even think Teen Titans was a bad show, but it's absurd to think it wasn't surface-level stupid faux-anime of its time

>>714454983
Its a Soviet existential horror show disguised as kid's television.

>>714455229
I repeat, what did you smoke? Give me three of whatever the hell it was.

>>714454856
They fucking can.
>Which includes the JL
So, why didn't Robin ask for help before the end?

>>714436089
This. I was never a big fan of the western cartoons at the time trying to emulate anime stylizations. It was very common on the web with weebs back then (esp webcomics like megatokyo and dobson) and it bled into shows like Totally Spies, Megas XLR, Teen Titans

>>714451418
Lol, right is massively better than left and it isn't even close. CN originals were always inferior to what Nickelodeon was doing until the late 00s. People who are specifically nostalgic for early 00s CN are weird.

>>714455306
The irony is that the original anime style was an imitation of Disney cartoons

>>714452491
It's funny to the kids who watched it. And that's what matters. Again, you're an uptight manchild who thinks childrens television should cater to you, when it should not.
>>714453630
>Actual children don't find TTG funny.
Ok stay in denial about that and how TTG kept marathoning for years on end on CN.

>>714455157
Most anime shows are either overtly serious or overtly goofy and dumb. The original Teen Titans managed to balance the zany humor with the actual pathos from the original comics.

>>714455537
>It's funny to the kids who watched it.
Well kids are fucking retarded and we should beat them until they start thinking rationally or stop moving, whatever happens first.

>>714454304
>>714454635
In fairness the Justice League that TT2003 would more obviously share a world with could more reasonably just have jobbed off-screen in all fairness.

>>714455267
t. hasn't watched Soviet animation

>>714455514
Yes, everything comes full circle. There is no anime 'style' per say, but if you watch something like Teen Titans or Totally Spies, there's specific overtly exaggerated facial expressions that didn't feel they were forced in.

>>714455648
No, why the fuck would I?

>>714455304
Well in the comics Raven goes to ask the Justice League for help against Trigon but Zatanna says she is a demon and cannot be trusted.

>>714455596
Yeah just like your dad beat you for watching Spongebob or w/e the fuck you liked when you were a child.

>>714455135
>The Aquaman movie made a gorillion dollars.

I said "interested" not "profit off tone intro movie because you suckered all the old fans once during the height of capshit season". You may as well say every superhero now appeals to normies if your standard is hollywood films.

>He is one of the most recognizable superheroes on the planet since he has always been part of Superfriends.
Like Superman. Oh and Wonder Woman, who could forget?

They shitted on Robin way too hard in this show

>>714435976 (OP)
>badass, cool and serious franchise for teens and adults
If you seriously believe this about Teen Titans then you're a fucking retard. Most kids couldn't even tolerate watching it because of how gay and lame it was, let alone teens or adults. Many people gave the show a shot on account of the very good character designs, but the only people who actually liked it were actual retards.

>>714455157
the faux-anime look was the only reason I didn't care to watch it.

>>714455694
Yeah why should anyone consume anything but capeshit?

>>714455805
Why are you seething so hard at the fact that your jewish calarts bullshit cartoon is trash for braindead zoomers?

>>714455537
>Ok stay in denial about that
I don't have to, shows aren't ongoing because of emotional reaction but views. Are you implicitly retarded or do you think everything in history has been going on because it generates laughs or gravitas? The Simpsons is still on and nobody watches that.

>>714455874
>You may as well say every superhero now appeals to normies if your standard is hollywood films.
They made a movie trilogy about fucking Deadpool.

>Like Superman. Oh and Wonder Woman, who could forget?
The Wonder Woman movie did a hundred million dollars at the box office.

>>714455925
And it's funny.

>>714451418
>generator rex
that shit was great
>megas xxl
beyond fantastic
OG ben10 was great too.

>>714455537
>It's funny to the kids who watched it.
The problem is that it's not. TTGO's viewership is fucking abysmal. Most of their premiers hover around 100k which is terrible for broadcast. That's moderate sized YT who fills a specific niche numbers. Views are written in millions and the last time the broke a million was around 8 years ago.

>>714440097
Shut up weeb LOL tranime is the worst slop of all

>>714449562
>>714452438
>>714454497
>I defend this choice because its part of 'muh childhood' when I was 5 years old. How could you tell?

>>714451418
I feel bad for gen Alpha and starting this year gen Beta, they only get dogshit

>>714455994
>posts tranime

uh-oh kiwitroon melty

>>714456172
>Seethes uncontrollably
>Has the balls to talk shit on Nichijou

>>714435976 (OP)
Call of Duty

wait a minute, this isn't /co/!

>>714456143
I just simply dont give a shit they called him Slade instead of Cockstroke

Almost all of those shows are good though
>PPG Reboot
>We Bare Bears
>Cow and Chicken
>That Squirrel Show
>Clarence
only bad ones there

I was the target demo for TTGo and I don't pretend that shit was good. Them playing nothing but that for like 3 years killed the channel cause kids would just watch youtube than watch reruns of the same show none stop.

>>714456124
Anon, you aware most kids use streaming now right? And that a cartoons success is built off of how long a network wants to continue making new episodes.
421 (210) episodes were made in the course of 12 years. I don't know what the fuck is with the cope gymnastics you have if you think that a show that has "fucking abysmal" viewership would be greenlit for that long with that many episodes.

>>714455925
Nah, he deserved it mostly. The 2003 version was a mini-Batman at his worst and if I wanted Batman, I'd watch Batman or the Justice League. Robin NOT being Batman was what made his branching out appealing.

>>714456261
If you unironically think Nichijou is good then you don't have the right to shit talk TTG

>>714456330
Yes, you made it very clear you were a child back then thus its the name ingrained into you for the character.

>>714456297
Are you sure? There's some of the most retarded takes I've ever heard being posted in this thread. This must be /co/ cause /v/ cartoon threads usually don't have the retarded baggage like your average /co/ dogshit.

>>714456468
>Consoomer of w*stern trash is frothing at the mouth

>>714455304
I've always liked Amazo's JL design. Reminds me of Mother's Starmen

Reminder that Cartoon Network was dead way before Teen Titans Go

>>714456556
/co/ offboarders shit up /v/. Nobody from /v/ goes to /co/ because they want to avoid the inherent faggotry that makes places like /lgbt/ blush. /co/ is so bad even real tumblirtes choose not to post there.

>>714455537
>it's for kids so it's allowed to be shitty
it's current year + 11, we should be past this non argument by now

>>714456079
>They made a movie trilogy about fucking Deadpool.
Because anon... he's tailored to be the most normiest appealing superhero. It's like being a millennial is one of his powers.

>The Wonder Woman movie did a hundred million dollars at the box office.
I am not even going to talk about what they had to do to Wonder Woman to make her appeal to modern day normies because it's obvious to even the most casual observer.

>>714435976 (OP)
Nigger, the one on the left was also for kids. It's entirely possible to also show kids badass stuff.

>>714456556
>>714456649
Personally I only ever visited /co/ once or twice because I wanted to see the "nudity in cartoons" threads.
We should have some of that right here to fix this shitty thread.

>>714442452
This is not called out enough, superhero comics should be about action and not feminized shipping histrionics

>>714451418
og ben 10 is good, it feels like teen titans
all the ben 10 sequels fucking sucked though, its like they were embarassed with all of the things they established in the original series.
also regular show is good

>>714456587
>including decades old Hanna-Barbera and Looney Tunes characters
Truly representational of Cartoon Network's lineup, for sure

We're DC's Longest Running Animated Series, we're DC's Longest Running Animated Show! Only one can wear the crown and I tell ya that show it's Teen Titans, Go Go GO!

>>714454983
Nta bur I also always found dexter to be "off" when watching it, like something was just wrong and I couldn't figure it out.

>>714444798
>He knows who he is from the comics
No one gives a shit about Teen Titans the comic lol

>>714456707
Deadpool was a C-Tier superhero on the comics, he only became popular via memes that never existed /here/ or Reddit until the movies came out.

>>714456818
Oh boy wait until you find out about Ed Edd n' Eddy.
What a faggot kid you were, son.

>>714456423
That reasoning only makes sense if we presume companies like Warner are in any way intelligent and not clearly being run by some of the biggest morons who have ever lived.
I could explain how HBO Max doesn't actually make money or how driving a TV channel off a cliff and then going "at least we have streaming" isn't actually a good plan by any definition, but why even bother? There stupid. They consistantly make fools of themselves in all forums areas of media. They're clowns. Look anywhere you want and you can figure this out fairly easily.

>>714456824
Deathstroke is a Batman villain older than you are

>>714443341
It's horrendous

>>714456793
Omniverse was better than OG

>>714456910
I'll probably be laughed for this as a dude that was never into comic book stuff growing up, but my first introduction to "deadpool" was from the x-men movies when they had him altered to have a bunch of different super powers, and I thought it was kinda cool.

>>714456818
Dexters Lab is a very dramatic show despite being about a genius kid whos main antagonist is his ditzy, blonde sister. Its the juxtaposition of a kid whos basically a godlike genius being thrown into mundane suburban situations. Like the coffee episode or the one where Dexter gets a bad grade and the entire school turns against him.

>>714456587
Remove the Hanna Barbera, MGM, and Looney Tunes characters in the top image and see how vacant it all gets. Sheep in the Big City was an awfully boring cartoon btw. Same for Time Squad. It's why CN always placed reruns at 5-6am in the early 2000s.

>>714456824
>No one gives a shit about Teen Titans the comic
The TV show is based on The New Teen Titans which was one of the most popular comics of the 80s. It was competing with the X-Men basically.

>>714456925
EEE didn't seem as off putting to me. Never watched it growing up since we never had cable.

>>714456965
>Deathstroke is a supervillain appearing in American comic books published by DC Comics. Created by writer Marv Wolfman and artist George Pérez, the character first appeared in The New Teen Titans #2 (December 1980) as Deathstroke the Terminator.

>>714456341
Eat shit, the Super Secret Secret Squirrel was good.

>>714457157
>never watched it
I mean much, was it when going to a friend's house here and there but that was about it.

>>714457074
Well comics in general weren't popular in the 2000s. Most people who knew about Deadpool knew him because of memes.

>>714457118
>Sheep in the Big City was an awfully boring cartoon btw
Sheep in the Big City was unadulterated kino.

>>714456656
>we should be past this non argument by now
Again, you're a grown adult trying to judge a cartoon when its meant for kids, not you. This is a common cycle for people who refuse to be self aware that they've become their parents or even worse, that fatherless unmarried middle aged uncle who'd bemoan TMNT in the late 80s and how the 'good ol days' of cartoons were in the 60s.

>>714457074
The idea is cool but it wasn't Deadpool. I mean I fucking hate Deadpool but if they wanted a character whos an amalgam of other mutant powers they could've used Bastion or someone else.

>>714457216
And? He's a Batman villain now.

Reminder that Harley Quinn literally raped Robin in some movie

>>714457372
Yeah, I bet you think Mike, Lu & Og was kino as well. Another show shoved into odd hours when nobody was watching.

>>714454921
Racism used to be dead. Thanks a lot Obummer

>>714457583
Can't rape the willing

>>714457680
9/11 did unite a bunch of people against sandniggers but then everyone went back to societal division towards the end of the 2000's to now. Problem is people from the USA need a scapegoat or common enemy, like how at one point everyone hated Russians, Germans, Japanese etc. I think either Israel or India will become the next one.

>>714457297
Civil War was probably the biggest comic book arcs in history in terms of just how many people were talking about it. You even had non-comicbook readers say in school cafeterias "oh they killed Captain America off!"

>>714457427
>so it's for kids so it's allowed to be shitty
yes yes, and everything was cooler when i was 12, and everyone in your subreddit clapped when you retorted with this against dae heckin manchildrenino, and frankly, i don't feel like elaborating on why i think you're retarded for espousing this tired meme when it takes 5 seconds of using your frontal cortex. it's just not worth it when it's always the same song and dance

>>714457929
>Bruce Timm once again finding a way to implement his dominatrix fetish
The guy did this through all of his work with DC comic adaptions.

>>714458075
Yeah but it was Paul Dini who had a whole comic dedicated to "Poison Ivy gets off to hard vore"

>>714435976 (OP)
Someone post one of the artist depiction of the TTG group cursing.

>>714457960
Alright continue bitching for eternity until you're of old age yelling at the clouds. Changes nothing of my original statement of how TTG was a goofy show targeted towards children and ended up being very successful with them.

>>714457929
This would be hot if Harley wasn't a tremendous whore but then again only a tremendous whore would do something like that in the first place.

>>714456757
Actively horny /co/ threads are way better than the ones full of constant bitching and seething, despite what some fags there like to pretend.

>>714451828
Why is this scene meme so much?

>>714458270
>you are le bitching something something yelling at clouds
this post could only be more predictable if it was attached with a basedjak instead of a twitter reaction image, and everyone wonders why zoomers are as helpless as they are

>>714458251
I just got this one

>>714456486
What is this schizo reply

>>714458385
>That pic
I meant actual nudity in cartoons, not patreon coomer shit

>>714458385
Damn, Marceline get to fuck that!!??

>>714457929
This movie will never not be in terrible taste due to what the Batman Beyond movie reveals what happens with Harley.

>>714458486
I know this is bait but I'm just going to pretend you mean the comic version of the characters where them being a couple actually was written well.
The guy who wrote Dr. McNinja remains one of the best Adventure Time writers despite never working on the actual show.

>>714458487
Oh please, the entire period between BTAS and Beyond is as tasteless as it gets

>>714458429
>le
People who tend to say 'le' ironically tend to actually be saying it unironically elsewhere, which explains why you immediately brought up subreddits out of nowhere.

/co/mblr still has the most dogshit takes regarding cartoons and comics, worse than plebbit or any toontuber

>>714458632
>This is your brain on /co/
Jesus fucking christ.
Homosexuality can't be written well because it's a mental illness (Unless they die of AIDS at the end like Freddie Mercury).

God I hate western faggots so much.

>>714458817
You will never be japanese

>>714458743
>He's only been back for three
>I'll have to congratulate Dick
>I'm seven weeks pregnant
What the fuck am I reading?

>>714457442
Not really. He was forced into a bunch of nu comics that no one read.

>>714451543
go back zoomer
https://desuarchive.org/co/search/subject/Shit%20zoomers%20say/

>>714458767
anonymous, you're the last fucking person in this thread who should be grandstanding about buzzwords right now. zero self-awareness, from the guy moaning about it just a few replies ago no less

>>714457676
Literally an IQ test of a show honestly.

>>714457937
>How many people want to talk about comics?
>How many people want to buy and read comics?

>>714458934
>he doesn't know comics are left to right

>>714458743
Bruce x Barbara is such a bizarre ship to force cause Bruce Timm specifically created a scenario where it's fucking weird and gross.
Timm created a specific scenario in which them hooking up would be weird and gross. He choose to make her be a teenager around the age of his segregate son. Like in the Silver age Barbara was supposed to be at least in her mid 20s presuming her masters not just starting college. It worked back then because Bruce was "around 30", there wasn't over decade age gap.

>>714459172
for some reason /v/ has an underage /co/ autist always reposting the same shit over and over

>>714456135
why is 8man there? being pathetic was his strategy

>>714458934
This is capeshit writing "trying to be mature". Yes, this is typical of what you get, you're seeing the absolute bottom of what a person working working on a commercial product will write, because that's what filters down to capeshit comics, people who can't even ape trashy TV writing.

>>714459264
>muh age gap
reddit is down the hall to the left

>>714454983
>>714455267
You are aware that Genndy was born in Russia in 1970 and that much of his childhood helped form his art style and humor right?

>>714458881
That faggot is a /pol/fag. Don't you see how he's against gay people. Any Jap would be praisng yuri/yaoi.

>>714459258
That's how far gone zoomers are now.

>>714459258
Oh... Yeah... Comics do that.
That's fucking stupid as shit.

>>714459307
I don't read western trash but from what I've seen that's NOTHING compared to how much they've cucked Peter Parker in whatever version of spiderman they're writing now.

>>714459357
No I assumed he was a jew.

>>714459316
It's not even the age gap it's the fact he fucked his surrogate sons girlfriend and thought people wouldn't find that shit weird.

>>714438218
>Gundam SEED
Looks boring af.
It's mechshit so it makes sense.

>>714459419
>implying this one is on zoomers being retards and not comics going down the toilet for decades

>>714459474
It's both. A smarter zoomer would at least check a couple of the good old comics.

>>714459440
>No I assumed he was a jew.
Yeah, a Russian Jew, like Fievel.

>>714435976 (OP)
yeah FF7R.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMFcFeuBhzY
This game is not made for adult. its unbearable anime cringe slop for lobotomized toddlers.
It's funny how the simplistic little cartoon models of the original are far more like real people and are far more adult than theses "realistic", braindead walking anime tropes.
they just turned it into the gayest fucking cringe ever.

there are kids shows that are still less gay and more respectable that this baby schlock.

>>714459529
>a Russian Jew
God does punish twice.

>>714459181
Manchild isn't a buzzword, because grown adults getting unreasonably angry at what a new generation of kids are enjoying and then proceeding to berate them is as old as time.

>>714436089
And now that western animation gave up on emulating its betters it's been left in the trash and nobody cares about it.

>This shitshow of a thread only has 240 replies
Fuck me it's gonna be a long night.

>>714450647
Always was more boring than Cow&Chicken aside from the european toilet queen episode

>>714459716
>This shitshow off topic thread is still up
Jannies must be active in the thread, hence why they're allowing it to stay up.

>>714435976 (OP)
I enjoyed Teen Titans, but nobody mentions that the show started going downhill the last season or two. They never topped the Trigon stuff.

>>714459840
Now now, off topic is always fun. Just not when slop enjoyers (/co/) are around.

>>714459582
>Manchild-
and that's why i chose not to engage in earnest. you missed the mark from the word go and you refuse to detach yourself from these talking points that you probably just got from a youtuber, reddit, or some other place you use to substitute any real thinking for yourself, because this argument was everywhere like a decade ago in the youtube comments section

you're talking like a youtube commenter from a decade ago, anon

Alright I don't care about capeshit, but you /co/ retards better explain right now why western shit is not allowed to give kids boners and why you tolerate how sanitized it is.

I am not implying anything with this image.

>>714460047
You were never engaged in earnest in the first place. You never had an argument. You're angry at a childs cartoon that was popular for 12 years straight and is still ongoing. There's nothing else to explain.

>>714460076
Well thank you for sending me to find out some sperg has once again erased the bustyboy tag from 34.xxx

>>714442149
It is in fact.

>>714460076
>look at James with big titties little boys, this could be you one day! But haha its just a joke moment of him in disguise...or maybe its future you?
in hindsight, 4kids was right on censoring this. Wherever there is tranime, there is a fanbase full of troons.

>>714460423
>You were never engaged in earnest in the first place.
yup, that's what i said
>You never had an argument.
i chose not to engage because you wouldn't listen anyway, as evidenced by the first sentence lmao
>You're angry at a childs cartoon that was popular for 12 years straight and is still ongoing.
says who
>There's nothing else to explain.
you can't fathom any explanation because whatever programmed you didn't provide you the script. you're just too dumb to get it. unironically.

>>714453450
Starfire's metamorphosis episode features a 1:1 recreation of Naota trying to pop his 'pimple' from FLCL.

>>714460695
90's kids weren't as easily brainwashable, retard. It's funny because Kasumi is flat, and I posted it because despite everything it's still a joke about tits in Pokemon. None of the shit you watch has anything even remotely like that.

>>714460746
Keep having an autistic meltdown over this. You claimed it was shitty, which is a subjective opinion by a grown adult on a show that was never meant to cater towards you or I and is clearly meant to be, and is popular with kids.

>>714435976 (OP)
I keep hearing zoomers unironically nostalgic for teen titans go

>is better than Marvel multililion BS in you're path
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSJGCAwh3uc

>>714443341
Do you even WATCH television, or is it just someone you put on your parent's big screen while you play subway surfers on your little screen? Because if you actually sat down and watched it you wouldn't say it was good.

>>714451970
(You)

>>714460835
>90's kids weren't as easily brainwashable, retard.
Ah that explains why the Pokemon fanbase has so many trooned out mid 30 year olds in it.

>>714461139
That episode wasn't even aired in Jewmerica.

>>714461187
>in hindsight, 4kids was right on censoring this.
Not that it matters, it became a swirling rumor within the first year of your typical cafeteria or neighborhood block much with "hey, did you hear that in Japan, Meowth held a gun at someone in an episode they didn't show hear?"

>>714461287
>it's retro cus they used the decade in the name of a show or something
wow compelling argument

>>714455157
Titans did a good job with balancing the silly monster of the week bullshit episodes with the interesting overarching plot episodes, and you knew which one you were getting depending on if the theme song was being sung in Japanese or English, with the latter being the serious episodes.

>>714457935
not funny

>>714461362
Ok.
Care to show me some tits jokes in western trash?

>>714438218
>all cartoons are shit, anime is 1000x better.
This doesnt make sense, you're directly contradicting yourself

No but warhammer 40k suffered from this.
Used to be cool but it's been marvel slop since 7th ed.

>>714461430
I take it you never watched this show when it aired in the late 90s. It's comical if you think the 70's weren't retro by the time of the 90's arrived, especially with all the technological advances that occurred throughout the 80s and 90s along with consumer adaption to the utilization of home media, personal computers, cable television and the rising popularity of the internet in the mid 90s.
To give you a concrete idea of how long 20 years is; the 360 will be 20 years old this Fall. When the 360 came out in 05, the NES was 20 years old when it launched in the US.
But yes, you're getting old and your mortality is showing, but it sounds like not willing to admit it.

>>714460927
>Keep having an autistic meltdown over this.
you're the one having an autistic shitfit from this, i'm afraid, from being this fucking defensive about said children's cartoon and what people on the internet think about it this fucking much since it le hecking doesn't matter because muh kid's show!!!! which is not how it works because if it's trivial enough for anyone to not shit on it, then it's trivial enough for you to not come to bat for its honor.
that's one of the many fundamental contradictions of your non-argument that unfortunately doesn't stop at shitty kids cartoons, but you're just going to ignore this and keep making this about dae ebin manchildren without a shred of self awareness. any more questions?

>>714435976 (OP)
Imagine being a joyless Angry Birds zoomer, or Gen x absolutist that hates Teen Titans.

>>714459652
>And now that western animation gave up on emulating its betters it's been left in the trash and nobody cares about it.
Aren't we in a western animation resurgence right now? Samurai Jack, X-Men 97, Primal, Young Justice, Dragon Prince, League of Legends Arcane, Dota: Dragon's Blood, Vox Machima, Blood of Zeus, even Castlevania -- which while controversially is still pretty well choreographed, story driven, and popular
And in the prior generation of cartoons, you had Adventure Time, Regular Show, Symbiotic Titan, Legend of Korra etc.

>>714435976 (OP)
>badass, cool and serious franchise for teens
Why are you mentally 12?

>>714435976 (OP)
didn't slade groom terra?

>>714436640
I haven't watched it, but I heard that Ironheart sells her soul to the devil to save her friend Is that true?

>>714462201
a bunch of the shows you named in the "resurgence" section is more than 5 years old

>>714438218
>dub
lol. Also, Seed is shit compared to UC Gundam...

>>714462201
>Lists Dota and Castlevania begrudgingly on the props of choreography and artstyle
>Lists Korra and Symbiotic Titan (a Gendy Show)

>>714462009
>this is a nonarguement that i totally I refuse to engage with
>*90 minutes later of arguing*
It's a kids show for kids, get over it.

>>714462368
*as negatives-

>>714462201
>x-men 97
>league
>castlevania
>korra

>>714462229
You have to have a mindset of a child to post on /v/.

TTG is kinda peak if you treat it like family guy, sucks for the original IP but it was pretty good when it first came out

>>714462271
She sells it to Molesto

>>714462432
>x-men 97
Its kino.
https://youtu.be/jdtyGclXR8o?t=21
The only people who don't like it are the Gambitfags who were mad that he got cucked by Rogue. But frankly, that's comic accurate. Rogue canonically had a relationship with Magneto, and Rogue canonically later slept with Sentry because he could touch her without being harmed.

>>714462486
Family Guy stopped being good after season 6, and looked nicer on the eyes than TTG at any era you think differentiates it's tweened animation from the other tweened animation in any season.

>>714462637
>after season 3
ftfy

>>714462606
>The only people who don't like it are the Gambitfags who were mad that he got cucked by Rogue. But frankly, that's comic accurate. Rogue canonically had a relationship with Magneto, and Rogue canonically later slept with Sentry because he could touch her without being harmed
Forgot to attach pic

>>714462378
>you're not engaging with my argument, chuddie
>tries to deride me for engaging anyway
i think you're genuinely trying to argue with me over the honor of a kids cartoon while half asleep, which is honestly more pathetic than whatever image of me you have in your head

>>714462669
Stewie Killed Lois was the last good special and marked the last time Stewie was evil babeh and went to gay babeh. I can handle a little flanderization as long as Quagmire says giggity and Joe isn't just Bonnie's hateboner.

>>714435976 (OP)
I always has mixed feeling about TT. It was watchable, but I loathed TTGO.

>>714462707
>keeps conjuring lingo I never used
Make sure to take your meds as well bud

>>714460076
LOL
Modern or Classic. You've never watched western cartoons.

>>714451543
>>Skibidi Toilet is better than TF2 freaks
No Skibidi Toilet is alpha shit, Reddit Fortress 2 is zoomer shit.

>>714462201
>Dota: Dragon's Blood

Even Dotards like myself knew it has no appeal to anyone who's not a Dotard, anon. If you want to talk about actually resurgent western animation, you have to include Hazbin/Helluva and most of the stuff that Glitch is putting out like TADC.

>>714462813
concession accepted, mr. no one can shit on TTG as long as i'm awake at 3 am

>>714435976 (OP)
Warcraft, soon warhammer

>>714451543
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no, no, yes, no, no, yes, yes, no?, yes, no, yes, yes, no, yes, yes

>>714462923
It's all 'wacky gmod faces' shit thats been around for 20 years almost.

>>714435976 (OP)
Jak & Daxter is the reverse of that

>>714462962
>please keep arguing with me!!!!
Btw not even 12am here bud.

>>714456468
The absolute worst actual tranime as a whole is better than most TTG episodes.
I swear to fucking god zoomers get more and more retarded by the second.

You throw an endless ocean of slop and brain rot at them that they're able to tolerate in the same way an indian can tolerate the smell of shit on it's streets and just because it has like 6 good episodes and 3 billion references they believe they're spiritually in-tune with one of the greatest masterpieces of television.
No wonder western animation is dying and legislation to ban anime keeps sneakily getting pushed.

>>714437773
The only TTG fan I've met irl was a collosal faggot that sucked the dick of a friend of mine.

>>714462923
That really goes to show how many people are aging so fast here without realizing it. The old Gen Z will be 30 in 2 years from now. Meanwhile most Millennials who have a vivid recollection of the 90's that wasn't them in preschool will be bordering on their 40's.

>>714435976 (OP)
neither have Donna so they're both automatically ass

>>714462201
Add Blue Eye Samurai

>>714463030
>doesn't try to deny the concession but he somehow thinks this is me begging for him to bicker more
>this and the one liner is supposed to show he's fully cognisant
you seem pretty out of it, if anything

>>714461187
It was aired later, which should be obvious when it says censored dumbass.

>>714463039
>the absolute worst actual tranime as a whole is better than most TTG episodes.
You sure about that?

>>714462201
>korra
Jesus christ this is low even among /co/mblr users.

>>714463313
Point is not to put bad anime on a pedestal but to
denote just how fucking dogshit most of TTG is outside of the "good episodes"

>>714463294
>you seem pretty out of it,
Explaining to an autistic manchild like you is tiring. Again, it's a childrens show meant for children, get over it and move on.

>>714463436
Korra and Kuvira were hot, the fights were great, avatar Wan was a cool concept, and Amon and Zaheer were 10/10 villains. I'm not gonna pretend the plot was good, but its still a decent show

>>714463436
Korra as a character and the story is awful, but it still has The Last Avatar's animation quality.

>>714463607
Korra is the textbook definition of a show crashing and burning. Not to the insane degree of stuff like GoT but still very clearly doing so.

>>714463583
he says staying up until midnight to defend the honor of a children's cartoon without a hint of self awareness

>>714463436
Korra is trash and ruined Avatar.
but it's still way better than 99.99999% of anime slop.
characters in anime are not even capable of having normal non-cringe dialogue.
it's all autistic, awkwardly paced and badly written slop by some manchildren japs who don't know how humans interact.

>>714463832
everything you levied against anime could be used against korra in the exact same way

>>714463832
You either
a) don't know that japanese people all act like autists down to a cultural level
b) just watch dub shit that's written by the biggest fucking walking talking and breathing failures among translators and then voice acted by people who couldn't give less of a shit

>>714464149
SUKI WA USUKOOSHIE NAY?

>>714463912
The "don't know how humans interact" part gets especially truer the further in you get.

>>714456341
clarence was alright though it's nothing special compared to what came before

>>714463832
>characters in anime are not even capable of having normal non-cringe dialogue.
Have you tried watching anime not written for literal children?

>>714464432
Clarence could have been arnold lite but the creator was metoo'd.
Still a couple good episodes in there.

>>714460076
>why western shit is not allowed to give kids boners and why you tolerate how sanitized it is
I miss when you couldn't go a single movie without seeing fanservice. Kids of today are unfortunate to have so much information at their fingertips yet nothing to define their generation when it comes to shared appreciation of the women in their media.

>>714463607
The biggest problem with LoK is for like half the villains coming from a really good, and just kinda half asked brushing them off after building the up as wrong for silly reasons.

>>714464640
I swear to god back then children were allowed to get fetishes from cartoons that were healthy for them in the long run. Like getting a boner from a lady who is pretty.

I swear to god it's like nowadays cartoon artists push for children to get fetishes like tuba vore or whatever the fuck. Only place you see put beautiful women in their cartoons anymore is france.

>>714464829
"pretty ladies" is not a fetish you sperg

>>714464915
Sure as fuck feels like one nowadays.

>>714464829
General attraction to women isn't a fetish. Very few media had fetishes in them otherwise you'd be raising some huge red flags. Oh sure don't get me wrong you would have Totally Spies or an episode of Lilo and Stitch where they get fed food until they're comically obese, but that was played for gags or a huge outlier.

>>714464149
no they don't you fucking retard.
watch any real footage of normal socially adjusted Japanese people talking.
-They don't have the awkward pacing and cringe delivery of anime.
-they don't say the same retarded lines like anime.
the people who write anime are just social retards who make garbage. there' plenty of natural dialogue in other japanese media.

>>714459562
OH GOD! this hurts, it's even more cringe than most anime.
how the fuck do people play this garbage without constant second-hand embarrassment.

>>714463832
I smell a Disney Adult.

>>714465091
Nah.
I think what opened my eyes was a monster hunter presentation for world in japan that had one of the female presenters say desu thirty billion times because they can't just nod to let the other person know they're following the conversation. The way they pace speech and their mannerisms are too far deviated from most western cultures to the point where it might as well be alien.
>They don't have the awkward pacing and cringe delivery of anime.
>they don't say the same retarded lines like anime.
You don't even know what you meant by that and just made shit up to seem like you know how the japanese actually speak.

>>714465403
not desu but hai*

>>714449562
It's more badass to call a villain by their real name.

Member this

>>714465403
>desu
they don't say "desu" dummy. they say "soda", "hai",
they can also say "soka" like "is that so?" but it doesn't communicate doubt, it's more like "oh i didn't know that".
this is a type of corporate politeness that shows they are listening. it has absolutely nothing to do with cringey anime dialogue.

>>714465931
Give concrete examples of cringey anime dialogue that they don't say.

>>714465841
I member.
Imagine being a copycat to teen titans go of all things. If capitalism worked like intended everyone involved would be on the streets or dead via suicide.

>>714444798
Name rhyming with blade was just as good, honestly.

>>714465841
In any other industry or work field, fucking up means you get fired, criticized and you sure as fuck better be sincere about your remorse for messing up. But for some reason entertainment is exempt from this. Imagine nuclear technicians letting Chernobyl 2.0 happen and they just tell people "you can't make fun of me I'm good."

>>714465841
>wow that's insightful, I wonder who wrote that?

>>714466086
-someone walks into a room or does something completely banal and all the retarded anime cunts whip their heads around and go "huuuhggh"?
-AAIIIIII NOOOOOOOO ANOOON KUUUN DON'T LOOK THERE PEEEERVERT!
-Unnecessary and inapropriate anime grunting noises
--teehee *tilts head like a dog* *hops up to protagonsist waving her hands like an infant* anon senpai what do you think my bathing suit? *retard spergs out and dies from brain hmeoruage as his nose gushes blood* "huuuuh anon senpaaaaii are you okaaaaaaayyyyyyy??"

TTG is not only unfaithful to og teen titans but is also fucking unhinged, every clip I've seen is like watching algoslop for kids

>>714435976 (OP)
Slade is a pedo who can't even beat up a 14 year old he is not cool/badass

>>714451543
Family Guy unironically has improved and is now the best of the animated sitcoms, by far.
And what is even crazier is the tiktok style of content consumption has also retractively made old family guy better as their cutaways are practically made for it.

>>714435976 (OP)
>CHARACTER NAMED FUCKING DEATHSTROKE
>californian: I know let's make him into steven jewniverse lol

>>714455925
Didn't know this show had ugly bastard NTR.

>>714466609
The anon who said you were a disney adult was right.
You're stating shit that's so infamously stereotypical it could be directly compared to MCU/millenial writing "Well that just happened" trash that's plaguing western animation and media. There's animes that don't do that just like there's western media that doesn't have kamala khan going "huuuuuhhh where are we anyway..."

>>714455925
What is with capeshit and cuckoldry, its genuinely worrisome how common it is

>>714466978
>There's animes that don't do that
but they're are far more that do.name a popular anime without horrible tropes and these pathetic exaggerated cringe scenarios

>>714467309
An anon already posted a 3x3
Korra is also, in retrospect, a very hilarious show to defend over anime if your main criticism of anime is cringe dialogue.

>>714435976 (OP)
COD?

>>714464450
at least one of those is literally western and berserk is the same anime with the fucking fairy thing, countless other anime tropes spawned from it and the main character gets raped in the ass.

sorry anime is just cringe. it's not the sort of thing you can watch around normal people.

>>714458487
What happens with Harley?

>>714467247
blame Japan they fetishized it and made it into a tradition since you can take someone's wife during the ido period if they seem them worthy for the whatever i forgot most of the words they used for their emperor's or samurai's

>>714451543
Zoomgods can't stop winning

>>714454497
it's a cool name but the reason behind the change is cringe and lame, making it not as cool.

I. Hate. All of you.

>>714436640
who cares about RT when you have MetaCritic

>>714435976 (OP)
the industry

Hey, remember they were gonna revive the original series if the movie sold well?

>>714435976 (OP)
Sex with raven

>>714436089
fpbp even the fucking theme song was wapanese cringe

>>714456143
child when I was 5 I watched talespin

>>714458467
he is mad we had cool cartoons I guess.