What excuses will companies make to say while a simple server hosting option is too hard?

>>714452716 (OP)
don't europoors have more to worry about than bideo games preservation

Ywnbaw bitch

>>714452929
Yeah but that's jeets like you. Now shut up Babel Media

>>714452970
Which company would say this?

>>714453009
Shut the fuck up bastard fucker

>Wake up
>SKG got over the minimum with 25 days left
>Get an email saying I've finally graduated from uni after 8 years of constant study
>It's nice and cool
>It's my day off from wageslaving
Man I fucking love this timeline.

>>714452929
>let SKG paper sit on desk for 10 years

You're not getting anything out of this, you're not smart enough to understand why it's doomed from the start and you're going to be laughed at for it.

>>714452716 (OP)
You won't be getting free scripts and databases so you could host a pay to win server with an ingame store. Sorry to break it to you fag.

>>714452970
Yawnfag whore
>>714453038
rude

I have been posting on 4chan since 2009. I have literally never gotten a week long all board ban before. This really pissed off the Jannies

>>714452716 (OP)
https://danieltan.weblog.lol/2025/07/stop-killing-games-and-the-eu-when-activism-meets-legal-reality

>>714453262
suck my bitch you dick hole

They're afraid.

>>714453272
Jannies are opressing gamers...

>>714452929
Don't you have more to worry about than posting on /v/?

>>714452929
Yeah, tuning into CNN so we can watch another American get killed by a nigger.

>>714453243
If I wanted to do that I would just open a GTA V RP server. It would be a lot easier than petitioning the EU government.

>>714452716 (OP)
WE NEED MORE SIGNATURES

>>714453237
In what possible way would
>forcing multiplayer games to have community servers and for single player games to be playable offline
be bad for the average person?

>>714453281
Who the fuck is Daniel?

Don't tell me that you seriously think that this is going to affect anything. This is going to be forgotten about within the week and things will go back to normal. Nothing ever happens.

>>714453446
>the average person
Who gives a shit?
Why won't somebody think of the million dollar corporation?

>>714453486
Did you say the same thing when Australia told Steam to start offering refunds?

I gotta tell you anons... I love video games.

>It's a stupid initiative
>It won't get 1 million signatures
>You're just doing this to spite PirateSoftware
>A majority of those signatures are bots
>It will never get accepted
>Nothing will come of this
>STOP DEMANDING TO OWN YOUR GAMES

>>714453065
You're going to feel really dumb when the initiative fails after they remove all the fake signatures.

>>714453678
That's why I am glad about the 25 day buffer, more than enough time to make up for the fake/failed sigs.

>>714453403
Seems like you're gonna have to get a job. Unlucky.

>>714453395
CNN don't cover dat DOE

>>714452716 (OP)
ROSS WON.
>>714453323
based and true

Was there this much FUD a few days ago?

>>714453818
Nah, there was gay porn and pizza spam.

>>714452716 (OP)
Nothing will happen.
Gamers will get buttfucked and they will continue to pay for the privilege.
Even if the EU does something, Trump will stop it dead in its tracks.

>Buy a book
>You own the book forever it's yours
>Buy a blu-ray movie
>You own the movie forever it's yours
>Buy a video game
>NOOOO YOU'RE ONLY RENTING IT THEY CAN REMOVE IT FROM YOUR LIBRARY AT ANY POINT

This is why the government needs to put in some new laws.

>>714453818
They're afraid

>>714453736
>it took only a few months for Americans to forget about Metcalf
>they all sent money to the nigger instead of the grieving family and the cucked father
LMFAO.
Just ordinary American things.

>>714453865
Hey, look at this faggot here:
>muh magic dorito
That's some new cope. I haven't heard this one in the last few days. Someone should tell his owners to give him a raise.

>>714452929
>european governments are only capable of performing one task per time

>>714453948
>more laws please daddy!
you're a commie fucking piece of shit

>>714454031
American post.

>>714454031
>Please fuck my in the ass and steal my money corpodaddy
Mutt.

>>714454031
>wanting to protect your private property is le gommunism

>>714453948
>Buy a book
>The pages decay and you don't get to read the book anymore
>Buy a blu-ray movie
>The disc wears down and you don't get to watch the movie anymore
>Buy a video game
>The license expires and you don't get to play the game anymore

>>714454008
Trump won, tranny.

>>714454031
if you really hated the government you would be advocating for the abolition of IP law instead of demanding that it remain structured in a way that favors large corporations over the common man

>>714454031
You have diabetes and lead poisoning from all the high fructose corn syrup and lead in your food. Shut the fuck up about government regulations and point your anger at the people who made you this way.

>>714454091
SKG won, maldavius.

>>714454031
>Wanting to own the product you buy with your own money, making it your property is communism.
How many times have you called us commies by now? It must be at least 20 in each of these threads.

>>714454090
Skill issue

>>714454090
You can create backups of books and blu-ray discs.

>>714454061
>>714454076
>>714454079
>this is good for me, just because moistcritical told me!

>>714454090
>Two examples are natural wear and tear
>One example is arbitrary shutdown by creator
Hmmmmm....

>>714454090
>I have books from 40 years ago that are fine
>I have DVDs from 25 years ago that are still fine

What the fuck are you doing to your books and dvds?

>>714453323
The amount of incoherent tardrage coming from a few dedicated faggots over this is all the proof anyone should need to show that it's based
>that one fag who spammed gay porn in multiple threads and flooded the catalog with it
>that one fag who posted literal CP to get threads deleted
Absolutely unreal, mindbroken corposlaves completely losing their minds

>>714453306
you won't do shit whore troon

>>714454190
Cope tranny

>>714454190
It's awesome. You always win if your enemies are ridiculous.

>>714454225
I'm looking forward to better game preservation in the future
Post more fat naked dudes

>>714454225
Arrest granny

>>714454168
>this is bad for me because...
Are you an indie live service dev?

>>714454181
>>714454175
Natural wear and tear is irrelevant because you are legally allowed to create backups of copyrighted material you purchased.
Taking this into account, video games are actually the only copyrighted material that spontaneously stops working one day.

>>714454246
>You always win if your enemies are ridiculous.
True. Anita always wins, gaymergay pedo fags.

>>714454150
His boss told him that 4channers always say "commie" (we don't). He thinks he'll fit in.

>>714452716 (OP)
only half of those are prolly legitimate
yall lost lmao

>>714454293
That's true. The agreement should be that you are allowed to do anything you want with your copy, even make a new copy, as long as you don't distribute it or claim the IP as yours. I feel most reasonable people can agree to this but corpos aren't people.

>>714452716 (OP)
If you support #stopkilling games, you are a gamergate bigot piece of shit.

>>714454348
It's "anons" newfag discord tranny.

>>714453237
is this faggot still pretending hes in hospital, or is he going to stream? I want to see him seethe at trolls

>i want a completely unregulated free market where people that were sending six year olds to coal mines just five minutes ago would be free to do whatever they want
>step off communists!
What even causes someone to turn out like this?

>>714452716 (OP)
Can't believe I'll have to see this ugly face every day in the catalog this is like seeing Debra Wilson for dudes

>>714454463
He's doing the smart thing by keeping quiet until everyone forgets about this whole thing in 2 weeks.

>>714454347
She lost and continues losing ever since that one fatidic day when I burst a nut in her nose. She hasn't been the same ever since.

>>714454372
The law already allows the creation of backups, fortunately. It's just that creating backups of video games won't do shit if they are designed to become obsolete after 5-10 years.

>>714454525
There's more woke shit than ever in modern gaming. She won so fucking hard, it's not even funny.

>>714454486
Circumcision.

>>714454372
It's probably a fairly interesting legal issue, one would assume with a rudimentary understanding of common law that goods are purchases with the tacit agreement that they are durable, given historic trends, but more recently this hasn't been the case in reality in this cursed industry with plenty of games just disappearing forever
I do wonder how it will all shake out, my instinct says that courts would prefer to come down on the side of the consumer here, but I think it will be a complicated issue for them to work through because of the changes in technology over recent years

>>714454525
Posting shitted asuka in /gaymergay/ doesn't seem like winning to me, or having a /hebe/ board for that matter. The cope never ends with you gaytor pedos.

>>714454092
Nice to see another actual libertarian or ancap here. IP is a government enforced monopoly, it's the most anti-libertarian thing that could exist. People who defend it should be called out as the crypto communists they really are.

>>714454524
Your twitch friendship simulator lost.

>>714454486
Sitting in a data center in Mubai being paid by some industry social media team to try and dilute discourse with irrelevant political spergy.

Same as it ever was.

>>714452716 (OP)
They will make game free and charge 80$ for a limited subscription. This way you can't do anything about them.

>euros are begging the EU to impose more laws and regulations on the video games which they placate themselves with while their shitty continent turns into africa 2
lol

>>714454524
Its not going away, hes been dealing with trolls non-stop for almost a year now. and he doesn't learn from his mistakes so theres always new ammunition

>>714454691
I think like most radical changes in how information is delivered (Books -> Radio -> TV ->Internet) it'll just take a generation savvy to it to wake up the lumbering giant to get them to update laws to suit the current age. Gotta remember how long the fight for film preservation was.

>>714453956
>it took only a few months for Americans to forget about Metcalf
you do realize that incidents like that happen multiple times a day in america and nothing was special about the metcalf case besides the discourse surrounding it, right?
there was actually evidence that special interest groups boosted that one and the lady who called a kid a nigger as a smokescreen

>>714454737
i went through my lolbertarian phase 10 years ago and got over it, i'm actually a monarchist now and while i think copyright terms should be restricted to 30-50 years i'm okay with them existing in principle
but i do wish more of these corpo dicksuckers would realize that IP law is an artificial monopoly and therefore it's ideologically inconsistent for them to support its existence

>>714453552
In all seriousness why are you here then

>>714454841
Norktard is that you?

>>714454874
idk who that is sorry

>>714454762
That's better, at least sheep have an idea on how long their $80 is going to last.

>>714454819
>you do realize that incidents like that happen multiple times a day in america
You don't have to say that twice. We ALL know that.
But you Americans won't do shit, because you are mentally buckbroken. And on top of not doing shit, you actively promote more Amerimutt deaths by funding the killers.
You are literally Brazil 2.0.

>>714454762
Being legally obligated to say up front and in big letters THIS GAME HAS AN EXPIRATION DATE and then actually saying what the expiration date is would be a big win.

>>714454896
A /k/ tripfag. Don't worry about it.

>>714454975
i don't go to /k/ because while i have a casual interest in guns i don't actually own any

How does one earnestly come to believe that markets would be friendlier to the consumer without regulation? that monopolies would be less of a problem? that competition would be healthier? It's like saying an ecosystem will be healthier if you refuse to cull an invasive species and allow nature to take its course. Bordering on religious delusion.

>>714455109
commie detected

>>714455109
>>714454586

>>714455109
Shut the fuck up, communist.

>>714454813
That's a good point, also what the fuck I had no idea there was a Hitchcock that's just gone forever
It's the same patterns of behaviour like how the FF8 master copy is just lost forever

>>714455109
ideology is a poison that makes people retarded, like leaded gasoline
if you subscribe to an ideology you start convincing yourself that everything that ideology says must be true
so if, for example, you think the government shouldn't be allowed to tell you not to smoke weed, so you become a libertarian, well, now you ALSO have to think that economies should be unregulated, because you want to be consistent, right? and that's what all your libertarian friends are saying!
but all you really want to do is smoke weed, you just got duped into being a libertarian by a bunch of other people who, deep down, also just want to smoke weed

this also applies to most communists and fascists

>>714454841
>I went through my phase and now i'm in another contrarian phase

What will happen now?

>>714455109
In a rational world with rational people this could be the case, I give you x in exchange for y is a fundamental part of human society. Innovating on x for a better x is also something human society also allows... problem being is that we aren't rational beings. From the consumer side, people will buy convenience over what is required or needed. From the producer side, there is an incentive to be the only player in town hence things like pinkertons. Rationality and ideology go hand in hand, but the assumption of rationality is the downfall of many ideologies.

>>714455025
>i don't go to /k/
I don't either anymore. It's become a real cesspit.
>while i have a casual interest in guns
Well you definitely wouldn't fit in on /k/ then. Being interested in guns is banned there. /K/ is now exclusively for seething about Russians, posting about anything else will get you banned.
>i don't actually own any
neither does most of /k/, it's always been like that, but it's much worse now.
>>714455109
>How does one earnestly come to believe that markets would be friendlier to the consumer without regulation?
regulation mostly slaps bandaids on problems caused by the government. If the government hadn't sent the FBI to kick down the doors of most of the pirate cracking community for the last 20 years there would still be a thriving scene for cracking these live service games, and thus little need for government intervention of this sort.

>>714455302
Ross is already crying out of his bum because his retarded followers botted it. You're gonna have to vote harder bro.

Listening to all of the developer interviews surrounding this topic, all of them seem to imply that local hosting is a lost technology because developers are lazy and modern games are an unoptimized Frankenstein's monster of prefabs

>"I can't support your channel because you intentionally sent your fans to harass Thor"
From the top.
>Ross made original video about it and asked people to try ask around to see if anyone wanted to support and talk about it.
>Thor made 4+ videos talking about SKG where he basically called Ross disingenuous, a used cars salesman and called anyone who supported the movement retarded
>Ross didn't react to it due to being busy with pushing the movement and didn't want to engage with drama.
>A few monthly update videos from Ross had him lement over the situation while still telling people not to harass or bug Thor
>He eventually reacted to it during the final month as a last hail mary while still saying dong harass Thor
>His newest update literally is telling people "do not do it, I don't care about him."

Seems awful convenient that he's trying to push the blame onto Ross. SKG harassed him mostly due to mob mentality. He was fucked the moment people like MoistCritical, Asmongold and XQC reacted to him because of their younger crowd which likes talking shit.

>>714454762
They aren't going to do that. Having a server hosting option is way fucking easier. It's like 2 days of work tops

>>714452716 (OP)
>Guy punching way above his weight class had to start drama so retards finally paid attention to something that could potentially be very positive for them
Why is everybody so fucking dumb

>>714454463
Didn't he try to lie about review bombing yesterday?

>>714455282
it's not a phase, mom
semi-constitutional monarchy combines the best elements of democratic and autocratic rule

>i bought this burger
>therefore I'm entitled to owning this burger forever even if i left it out to rot or it gets stolen by a dindu

>i bought this bike
>therefore I'm entitled to owning this bike forever even if it eventually becomes derelict or get stolen by a dindu

>i bought a vidya
>therefore I'm entitled to owning this vidya forever even if whatever physical media it's contained in would eventually decay or it gets plugged off by a corpo

>>714455109
It's complicated, there's been plenty of market failures that were both over and under regulated into shitty situations, but as with any absolutist opinion I think it stems at least partially from a spirit of wilfull ignorance that the internet really should have stamped out, but has somehow only amplified in recent years

>>714453243
Eh, life finds a way, there's a lot of scrapped WoW databases for example. A freelancer fixed their almost 10 year old issue of long load times into GTA Online because they couldn't be assed to do it themselves.

>>714455403
If you've been paying attention, this is the entire software world at the moment. Why do you think these companies are going full steam on generative AI?

>>714455448
That's how ownership works, yes.

>>714452929
None of Europe's "actual" problems can be solved by anything short of a violent revolution with every current ruling politician guillotined.
Software having an end-of-life plan if the creators want to make it a live service product is still something that can be done with legislature.

>>714455109
It's probably just a 14 year old, let's be realistic. It's summer after all.
But if anyone actually believed in a completely unregulated free market, then that's corporatism, not capitalism or otherwise. Americans already live under corporatism with all the lobbying. The thought that democracy exists somewhere across the ocean is insane to them. Americans live like a real life Attack on Titan where the niggers are the titans, they can't do anything about it, and they're fucked over by politicians and their president who is a corpo. Living under democracy is completely alien to them which is why they are unable to comprehend anything other than a false dichotomy of corporatism/oligarchy and communism. Sad!

>>714455434
He also lied about being swatted and talking it out with the police. A FOIA request was submitted to his city's PD since they have an open information policy and it was confirmed that no swattings or any other police actions involving Mald's name or address had occured. The only thing they were able to pull up on Mald was when he crashed into a vehicle while speeding to take a dying ferret to a vet.

>>714455447
No, it just leads to stagnation. It's better to have the chaos of either no leaders or the personal relationships of a personalistic feudal style of government in order to allow for accountability. If you don't have someone actually in charge who you can roll up to their castle with pitchforks/car bombs to make your grievances heard, then it's better to have no one in charge at all.

>>714455403
>no, it's actually impossible for me to actually do the fucking job I've spend the better part of a decade studying for and am getting paid for
>no can do
Literally the definition of a you problem. Fuck do I have to do with it? Figure your shit out, for fucks sake.

>>714455575
>The only thing they were able to pull up on Mald was when he crashed into a vehicle while speeding to take a dying ferret to a vet.
I want to say "kek" but I don't want to laugh at a dying ferret.

>>714454762
More games moving to sub models would be pretty hilarious, actually. Because assuming SKG gets some regulations in place, subscription model games would have to say in concrete terms, right up front, plain and fuckin' obvious, when the service ends. So when you pay your $80, there should be a sign or sticker saying SERVER SHUTDOWN WILL BE ON 9-JUL-20XX.
Which is hilarious, because then the dev will be legally obligated to support the game for that long, even if it's an utter flop. Imagine if Concord legally HAD to be supported for 5 years after launch.

>>714455258
So true. Most commies just want a free iPhone and Nike shoes. Wait until they find out about the no private property part.

>>714455473
>there's a lot of scrapped WoW databases for example
The cmangos shit is SQL from scratch, and at most the stats are accurate. The spells are reverse engineered from logs that you cannot see anymore because worldoflogs shut down, most of the open source stuff is inaccurate because the server that has better inhouse scripts wins.

>>714455340
> If the government hadn't sent the FBI to kick down the doors of most of the pirate cracking community for the last 20 years there would still be a thriving scene for cracking these live service games, and thus little need for government intervention of this sort.
Mmm doubt it. A lot of the problem with modern live service games is that they are made from the ground up to be live service games. reliant on third party software, critical game mechanics handled serverside, reliant on whatever shitty app they're using for DRM. Not that these are completely un-solvable issues but it's a shitload of holes to patch completely from scratch.

>>714454031
You say this but like all Kiwifaggots you want loli outlawed

>>714455403
Damn weird how the answer to a lot of questions on bullshit in vidya can circle back to devs being incompetant faggots.

Why do these dudes expect so much sympathy from their consumerbase again?

>>714455635
>If you don't have someone actually in charge who you can roll up to their castle with pitchforks/car bombs to make your grievances heard
thus the monarchy
my goal is a system that's stable and functional rather than "perfect" or else i'd be pushing for a hypothetical benign feudalism
the advantage of monarchy is that it means the chief executive has a personal stake in the long-term health of the country, which simply isn't true if he's an elected official
this is way way way beyond the scope of a /v/ thread about making fun of a gay furry though and i'm gonna go watch anime soon so i can't really debate hypothetical politics with you anon

>>714453451
No idea. Does it matter? How do his thoughts matter any less than some streamer's? How do his thoughts matter less when he actually bothers to cite laws and directives, showing actual knowledge of how things work in the region the initiative is relevant to?

>>714455403
Because that’s probably exactly what’s happening. I have no doubt designing an actual infrastructure that can support what skg is asking for is actually a monumental task given how backed in some shit is and just how many 3rd party licensed assets and software is used to cut cost and time

>>714452716 (OP)

Jewzzard trannies on suicide watch

>>714455678
>dying
I mean, if it was dying before the crash then afterwards it couldn't have been any better...

Genuinely curious, why is there people who are upset about this campaign? Is it people who aren't in the gaming space that think the EU should be focusing on other shit or do they just hate games, because this won't have a big impact on anything outside of games

>>714455936
>why is there people who are upset about this campaign?
most of the ones here are just contrarians trying to farm (You)s
maldavius figtree is opposed to it because he benefits financially from the status quo and has no principles

>>714455936
>because this won't have a big impact on anything outside of games
I hope this gets the ball rolling on general digital ownership.

>>714455936
It's a combination of contrarians, shitposterers, underaged stream kiddies, and pajeets.

>>714455720
>subscription model games would have to say in concrete terms, right up front, plain and fuckin' obvious, when the service ends.
Not really. They can just make it something like "a subscription for an access for at least a year since release date"

>>714455936
They're protecting the interests of their corpo overlords.

>>714455448
Yes

>>714455936
I just think europeans are a bunch of government-loving homos and I take the opportunity to remind them of that when possible. Don't really care about video games much.

>>714452716 (OP)
!00% will be
>AI says it's impossible

>>714452929
>you can't worry about two things at once

>>714455192
But I don't know if I believe in total government control over the market, I just don't understand the appeal of a belief that seems to communicate as "social darwinism so we're not savages so instead of killing each other we just play this game and whoever loses is ruined."

I think a certain gamification of society is probably for the best I just don't see why people are insistent on no safety nets of any kind.

>>714455936
I'd just like it to be called Stop Killing Software so people can see the bigger picture.

>>714455936
contrarians. its like getting mad about a state banning people littering; its a good thing which barely affects anybody besides lazy faggots who hate accountability

>>714455936
there's a subset of capitalist who genuinely believes that ANY regulation actually makes corporations stronger somehow even if the corporations are lobbying and campaigning to stop the regulation from happening. They believe in personal responsibility to such an absolute that if people don't come together and establish competitors that defeat the corporation with bad practices in the arena of the free market, people "want" it and "deserve" it.

>>714456168
>t. corporate-loving homo

>>714456227
This invites much larger players to the lobbying room. Disney and Netflix and some other fags will probably be keeping a close eye on what's going on cause they know damn well that this can evolve and ruin their dilly lily asses too. Let's at least try to keep them watching from the sidelines from now, not in the lobbying room along with all the game publishers trying their best to shut it down.

>>714455448
yep

>botted signatures
>will get rejected anyway
Corogods won again. I'm gonna laugh so hard

NOOOOOO ITS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO...
>host a server button
THIS IS LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

>NOOO I CAN'T JUST ABSTAIN FROM BUYING GAMES ON STEAM! GAMING IS AN ESSENTIAL NEED! I NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE!
>HOUSING CRISIS? INFLATION? FOREIGN INVASION? NOT MY CONCERNS. I'LL JUST MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.
>WHAT INSPIRED ME TO START THIS MOVEMENT? WELL, IT ALL STARTED IN 2014 WHEN I BOUGHT THIS RACING GAME THAT SAID 'ONLINE ONLY'. 10 YEARS LATER THE PLAYER COUNT WAS 1 SO THEY SHUT DOWN THE SERVERS. UNLUCKY FOR THEM, THAT PLAYER WAS ME. THEY MESSED WITH THE WRONG GUY

>>714455936
The scope is limited. Don't see how it would help save any games outside always online slop which I don't care about

>>714455936
I hope the shills are just doing it for the (you)s, I can't imagine how miserable you'd need to be to actually be angered enough by this campaign to spend hours shitposting over multiple threads.

>>714455678
He's a furry, it was probably dying because he stuck his dick in it.
>>714455741
There are a lot of solutions that would be available in a completely anarchistic society which are not currently viable. If someone deliberately breaks my game that I bought, I think that it's totally acceptable to kill them, they destroyed my property. The government is the reason I don't. You have to keep in mind that when people ancaps/hardcore lolberts imagine a totally deregulated society, it's *completely* deregulated. Not just de regulated in the ways you are thinking of. A lot of things go onto the table which you don't think about.
>critical game mechanics handled serverside
aside from streaming games, nothing actually that critical is stored server side. It's too taxing on the servers and causes too many latency problems. Anything else can be reverse engineered from the packets received. Black box obfuscation is impossible.
>>714455771
It sounds like you're into Juche. Do you not own guns because you can't own a KPV?

Everytime you download a game you bought from a store, or an update for it, it costs the developers millions in server fees and frankly we're all lucky to have been allowed free repeat downloads instead of needing to make a new purchase to re-install.

>>714456374
t. nigger lover

This is some Dobson levels of delusion, i cant even...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1YlYA_afc

>>714455403
>Frankenstein's Monster of prefabs
It's literally this, half of them all run in docker containers

>>714456483
You don't deserve that button in the first place.

>>714456487
>NOOO I CAN'T JUST ABSTAIN FROM BUYING GAMES
Essentially this. Just stop buying from devs who kill games, no need to involve your big daddy government.

>>714455936
contrarians that love easy attention, retards that defend everything pirate software says, clinically o that dont want attention taken from their gay orc porn bait thread, there's a lot of people that will argue against this, not because they disagree with the initiative, but because they got nothing else to do

>>714456487
>HOUSING CRISIS?
He moved out of the mold place years ago
>FOREIGN INVASION?
He lives in Poland, not Ukraine. Wrong corrupt slavic shithole.
>NOT MY CONCERNS.
Absolutely correct. Do you think he has to fix every other problem in the world before he can fix the one that is important to him?

>>714456101
That is not at all compliant with what SKG is proposing. A service should have an explicit term for how long it should last from point of sale. I can't think of any other examples of services that have their time span measured from the time the service was first introduced.

>>714453243
Nigga who said getting resources to host a server had to be free
Who said it had to be while the game is live
Who said any of this shit aside from your dick cheese, so unclean and untouched it became sentient crawled up to your ear and whispered its most retarded statement into your ear that you fucking believed

The amount of shills against this tells me that it's a good idea.
More than likely it's big studios shitting on it as their plan of turning off servers to force people to play the next game would get fucked hard.

>>714456716
>A service should have an explicit term for how long it should last from point of sale
This isn't a SKG proposal, this is already written in the EU law, it just isn't enforced.

>>714456227
Well on the plus side, legally speaking, games and software are exactly the same fuckin' thing. There's no reason an SKG-styled regulation shouldn't also apply to software that's sold as a product but is actually a service.

>>714456716
>A service should have an explicit term for how long it should last from point of sale.
Just like I said. A year. Everything past that is a "generous gift from a developer". And you can't complain about gifts. Law doesn't forbid from extending service past set date.

>>714456591
>t. Jew

>>714452929
your bait didn't get over 10 replies before I looked at it, therefore it is unimpressive
acquire better materials

>>714453281
i'm not reading your ai generated fake news shit

You'll stop signing when he says to stop signing

>>714454031
>law so corporations can't prevent me from accessing a product I paid for
>WTF, THIS IS COMMUNISM

The only idea I can get behind with this "movement" is forcing developers to supply some sort of window of guaranteed support on purchases

>"The game servers will remain available for a minimum of 6 months after spending any money on the game"

This gets it in line with software as a subscription, which is what all these GAAS are, just shuffling around the amount each person pays to maximize player count/revenue. This is also exactly what would happen to anyone who has delusions of getting offline modes or copies of the server to run after a shit game is abandoned. There is no reason for the government to disallow software as a service (and it would cripple industry if they did) and if it's between that and spending time / money making games work 'forever' a company is just going to go with the bookkeeping solution that has no actual impact.

>>714453818
yeah

>>714455936
Because this is another gamergate where nazis and bigots want a diverse industry to crash and burn, because they made games they don't like.

>>714456805
You know what judges absolutely fucking hate? They fucking hate smartasses. You put a lawyer in a dress and you get a judge, and they feel like they're the smartest motherfuckers in the world. If you do stupid shit like that you're going to get every punishment they can levy thrown at you because they'll fucking hate you.

>>714456805
Yeah, a year from POINT OF SALE, my dude. That means if they want to pull the plug, they have to stop selling it a year before they do.

>>714456605
I especially like how he's willing to see the effect that a video has on the signature rate, but only on the right hand side of the graph, guy is a narcissist, why do we keep collectively amplifying these rotten soulless husks on every platform?

>>714454524

legitimately the smartest thing he can do right now
people will always give him shit for it but he'll still have people that keeps watching his streams

>>714455448
>even if i left it out to rot
Yes, you're in charge of maintenance on your own possessions and can still try and use it regardless of the state you let it get in.
>or it gets stolen by a dindu
That's theft and is illegal, yes.
>even if it eventually becomes derelict
Yes, you're in charge of maintenance on your own possessions and can still try and use it regardless of the state you let it get in.
>or get stolen by a dindu
That's theft and is illegal, yes.
>even if whatever physical media it's contained in would eventually decay
You're in charge of maintenance (including backups) on your own possessions and can still try and use it regardless of the state you let it get in.
>it gets plugged off by a corpo
That's a condition completely outside of your control and shouldn't (soon won't) be allowed to exist.

>>714456891
One would argue that if any hypothetical corporation that would do this is going to suffer reputation losses without any legislation.

>>714452929
>appeal to triviality

You dont usually see this much blind rage getting thrown around unless you insult Stellar blade aka /v/'s sacred cow. They can never say anything worthwhile either, its just tranny this tranny that. Actual Bots would be more subtle

>>714457031
>reputation loss is an adequate compensation for destruction of your property.
the only reason this doesn't result in publishers gettings shot is that the corpos don't need to break into your house to destroy your games.

>>714456487
What are you doing about the housing crisis anon?

>>714457227
For that matter what is he doing about the foreign invasion? I'm sure the Ukrainians would take him.

>>714456891
SKG is communism because it is undermining the IP owner's private property rights. The property rights of the consumer are perfectly fine as they currently are, in no way under threat, and do not need to be increased any further, especially at the expense at the IP owner's property rights.

>>714457031
>reputation losses
like they care lmao
Remember, corporations are NOT your friends, quite the opposite, they want to screw you, take everything from you and give you the minimum in return

>>714457031
That's exactly what's happening now, but the market is not efficient today, like many markets it's been captured by too many big profit driven entities to actually provide desirable outcomes for consumers, one only has to glance in it's general direction to see a dozen examples of adverse selection and moral hazard

>>714454031
>laws and regulations = muh gommunism
Seriously what kind of mental gymnastics is this? Where did this come from? Do Americans really?
t. American

>>714455936
Why wouldn't people be upset about a campaign trying to ban violent video games?

>>714452716 (OP)
Woah, anon. These are tough times...

>>714457227
For starters, I'm not wasting the governments time with a petition about my videogame addiction.

>>714455936
contrarianism and the high of getting (You)s

>>714457286
>undermining the IP owner's private property rights.
not it don't
Just stop killing game man
If I buy software, then I should be able to use it, even in 150 years

>>714453272
brown jannies....

>>714457393
Even if the server is shut down, the client software runs just fine. That is what you bought and paid for.

>>714457286
IP owners will not lose ownership of their IP's

>>714456998
>Yeah, a year from POINT OF SALE, my dude.
No. There is an expiration date of a service. You don't buy sub for a year. You buy a sub till an expiration date, which is a year since release date.

>>714457449
No, I paid for working software, it doesn't work like that.
Corporations shouldn't be able to prevent me from accessing something I paid for; it's up to them to maintain a working version.
You're either a contrarian or an Indian shill, anyway.

>>714457479
Their ownership rights are diluted by removing their legal right to control access to their property.

>>714457449
bro really about to argue he paid $60 for a login screen :skull: :skull: :uoh: :skull: :laugh:

>this might result in even more layoffs
ALL OF CREATION, BENT TO MY WILL

>>714456720
>Who said it had to be while the game is live
Yeah you're not gonna be hosting a p2w server provided by the devs when the game is dead. Good luck compiling the server and scamming children if it gets reverse engineered.

>>714455936
>why is there people who are upset about this campaign?
There's a difference between supporting game preservation and supporting SKG. It's a poorly thought out movement with zero understanding of how it's goal can be accomplished. It is wholly ignorant to EU law and game design. It is a waste of time as is, and absolutely nothing will come of it. It's about as helpful as signing a petition to stop world hunger.

>>714457286
Which private property rights specifically are being undermined?

>>714452716 (OP)
This whole thing is so fucking stupid.
It's like going to a restaurant and expecting to own the waiter and chef just because you bought a $15 plate of spaghetti.

>>714457616
The right to control who is allowed to access your property.

>>714457620
retard

>>714457620
it's like expecting to be given a to-go box when the restaurant closes and you're not finished eating the food you've paid for

>>714457620
Sup Thor, kys

>>714455936
I just defaulting to blame pajeets and their brown jews jannies

We need to kill more games

>>714455425
Ross wass banned from PS stream for saying that Thor didn't understand the initiative. That's why people got slightly vexed.

>>714457620
kys you shill

>>714456487
>>NOOO I CAN'T JUST ABSTAIN FROM BUYING GAMES ON STEAM! GAMING IS AN ESSENTIAL NEED! I NEED THE GOVERNMENT TO INTERVENE!
>>HOUSING CRISIS? INFLATION? FOREIGN INVASION? NOT MY CONCERNS. I'LL JUST MOVE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.
>>WHAT INSPIRED ME TO START THIS MOVEMENT? WELL, IT ALL STARTED IN 2014 WHEN I BOUGHT THIS RACING GAME THAT SAID 'ONLINE ONLY'. 10 YEARS LATER THE PLAYER COUNT WAS 1 SO THEY SHUT DOWN THE SERVERS. UNLUCKY FOR THEM, THAT PLAYER WAS ME. THEY MESSED WITH THE WRONG GUY

>>714456345

I remember when Aussies forced Valve to actually institute a bare bones refund policy and people were sperging out that it would severely damage games somehow, especially short indie games less than 2 hours
and it turns out nothing fucking happened. Turns out even if you make some artsy indie game that's less than two hours, the average person isn't going to bother refunding it.

>>714455815
so some american nobody says "there are no laws about this" and uses it as a debunk of "we want laws about this"
utter retardation
>On the other hand, if there was a IP leased by the publishers to be used for X years, once the time is up, it is illegal for the publishers and its users to continue using the IP.
this isn't how licensing works at all in 99.9% of games. the limited license for the IP (brand, car or song as examples) as part of a game are granted to the end user at time of sale. they have rights to selling this IP as part of the game product, this only becomes an issue when you want to continue selling the game after it has expired, in which case you need to remove or acquire a new license for that IP.
>However the core controversy is not even this: it’s about asking the government to legislate and regulate how games are even made.
no, it doesn't. it demands an expectation of durability for something that is functionally sold as a good.
>Every single one of these regulatory frameworks would create compliance nightmares for the technical mandates SKG is demanding.
cry about it. i know for a fact that every single pussy ass publisher is going to kneel and deal with it. not a single board member is going to be able to give a genuine argument to shareholders as to why they "had" to leave the EU.
>Consumer protection laws require disclosure, not indefinite service obligations
is this a jason alt? no one is asking for indefinite service.
>don’t override explicit contractual terms that meet disclosure requirements
by reading this post you have signed a contractual term that i can fuck your ass at any time. i will sue if you refuse.
this is the issue. unfair contractual terms aren't valid contractual terms, and laws invalidate unfair contractual terms.

can't be bothered to deboonk more because this is likely AI generated slop by some retard contrarian techbro who is incapable of writing original thoughts.

>>714454031
Communism is good, Cubano.

>>714457658
You mean the "right" to steal the property you sold to the customer.

>>714455449
Turns out, the only thing on the internet that has become transparent is the data you give to corporations and ad generators.
In fact, communication with humans has become SO opaque that you're not even going to realize who's a bot anymore.

>>714456605

>>714457817
The customer purchased the right to run the client software, not the server software, and the client software is still working and running just fine even if the server shuts down, so nothing is stolen from the customer.

>>714457658
They put it on the market where sales are at the discretion of the storefront. They never had control to begin with

>>714457817
This nigger bought an account registration key and now he thinks he owns the MMO. HAHAHAHAH

now here's a big question:
are any of the games YOU are currently playing at risk of being killed by whatever this botted ass petition is opposing?

>>714457591
Fagdaniel

>>714458005
Eat shit leftoid tranny.

>>714458005
No.

>>714455403
Global Competency Crisis is real and Ross stumbled head-first into it without knowing

>>714457658
They would still have the right to control who accesses their property, the only difference is they would have to prominently communicate to the consumer that what they're selling is a "subscription" and not a permanent license. They want to host their game on a central server and cutoff access after x many years? Fine, but they should be required to make sure the buyer knows this.

>>714452716 (OP)
Is it OK for me to hate both Thor and Ross? Thor is an obvious narcissist stuck up his own ass but something doesn't feel right that some neck beard American is abusing EU policy to get what he wants.
I've always known that for online games you aren't being an actual product but access to a service that can and will be shut down eventually. I bet most of the people who are signing don't even care what about the topic but just want to feel like they are part of a populist movement just like all the Free Palestine dumbasses in America and college campuses

>>714457907
>>714457993
That's not how it works rajeet, but I won't waste my time explaining that to you. The EU will do so with much more eloquence soon enough.
You're free to keep seething in the meanwhile.

>>714458046
>wants communism
>calls others trannies
The fucking nerve of some people...

>>714458005
Burn it all down. These retarded niggers put Runescape as "at risk" when you can compile a private server at this very moment.

>>714456576
>private property is when it is not your property and can be taken away from you at any time
>anyone want to think about the devs who will be laid off because now there is more work to do????
>anyone want to think about the investors who will no longer earn 100 million but 99 million ????
>this is going to destroy the world economy

>>714458210
Good morning

>>714457620
The way it should work:
>buy a washing machine
>use unapproved detergent
>or arbitrary period of time elapses
>warranty (service) is nulled because you didn't use it in the agreed upon manner or because they refuse to provide service for products after a certain point
>washer still functions and washes your clothes
The way games work:
>buy a washing machine
>use unapproved detergent
>or arbitrary period of time elapses
>washer manufacturer remotely disables your machine because they don't like how you use their product or because they released a new washing machine and want you to buy it instead of continuing to use the one you already bought
>washer still functions but no longer washes your clothes

>>714458182
You have no arguments, you retarded brownoid. Dilate.

>>714458121
Thor is an egomaniac but he's ultimately right about this whole thing. Ross is just a fucking entitled retard who can't be arsed to read the fine print.

>>714457907
that's wrong, they paid for access to the service, the same way you can spend $60 for a year of WOW time. The only difference is that the games do not specify an end date for access and instead just say "we reserve the right to terminate the service at any time". They also use terminology like "buy" and "own" rather than "rent" and "subscribe" due to holdovers from when distribution was extremely inefficient and terminating access was impractical

>>714455936
Retards and people with monetary incentive to do so.
For example >>714453237 purposefully released a single player game that REQUIRES you to be connected to steam to track your progress because it doesn't save it, it just check your steam achievements and puts the game in the corresponding state, he did that because he believes it protects him against piracy.

If a law like what SKG wants gets through, he would have to stop doing that shit.

>>714455448
>state 3 sets of facts
>apply argumentative image that allegedly implies you made a point
Hey pal, you forget to finish your post?

>>714458121
>>714458317
Keep same fagging Thor

>>714458273
>he thinks playing video games are as important as basic hygiene

>>714458121
>but something doesn't feel right that some neck beard American is abusing EU policy to get what he wants.
How is petitioning the EU commission to respond to the issue of game preservation, within the context of existing consumer protection laws abuse? He can't force them to do jack shit. It's not like Ross will magically get his way if the petition goes through.

>>714458273
false equivalency, the restaurant anon got it right

>>714458358
>single player game that REQUIRES you to be connected to steam to track your progress because it doesn't save it, it just check your steam achievements and puts the game in the corresponding state

>>714458117
>>714458340
Buyers should already know all this from basic research of what they are buying. This is like asking cigarette packs to have warnings when everyone already knows they negatively impact health. There is absolutely zero need to add any further clarifications, and doing so would be potentially damaging to the economy.

>>714458554
>if companies don't have the right to lie and cheat their buyers then the economy is at risk
Americans actually believe this.

>>714452716 (OP)
>By some amazing stroke of luck the skg movement actually forces governments to take action
>Devs get their least liked intern to add a half assed bare bones offline training mode to everything they make now
>Game is now ''''''''technically'''''''' playable after the rest of the game gets shut down
>Mold man refrains from releasing his spores across the land for another day
wow

>>714458508
>nuh uh
How so?

>>714453323
>>714454190

but why? I don't understand how people could be this obsessed with sabotaging what's good for everyone.

What are they even going to do? I doubt they will do what is actually proper solution to this, like forcing companies when they deem games to be unprofitable to
>release server executables so you could host your own like BF2 in case of multiplayer games
>additionally leave you couple months to download your account data in in case of account-based multiplayer and gachas
>let you download standalone installer files from middleman platforms like steam, like gog allows
I can imagine them forcing companies to include some big letter notice at startup about acknowledging this is merely live service, like those shitty seizure warnings, and ceaseing to use word "buy/sell" and coining up some new term other than subscription in their ToS no one reads anyway.
Speaking of ToS, seeing how Tree of Savior is being kept on life support, I'm not even sure if people will remember about downloading shit even if retards at the top would actually do something decent.

>>714458661
Literally this >>714454586

>>714452716 (OP)
Surely no one's dumb enough to bot a government website, right?

>>714456605
this fucking stupid nigger is actually trying to take credit
everyone called it

>>714458374
>EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES IS FALSE FLAGGING SAMEFAG
Try harder retard. I have no horse in this race especially Thor. If anything I hate npc sheeps that are falling rallying behind a cause just because their favorite content creator is behind it.

>>714458658
There's a huge difference between paying for a service and a physical good. Restaurant anon got it right.

>>714452716 (OP)
In all seriousness, why is thor against skg? What were his points on why it's bad?

>>714458554
as evidenced by 1 million retards signing a petition to make the crew single player, buyers do not in fact know this. 90% of regulation is to coddle retards anyways so force them to use different terminology and put up a disclaimer so we can get this shit over with already

>>714458731
I hope the bots get this whole thing thrown out.
Plebs need to know their fucking place and who's really in power.

>>714458747
You sound very mad Thor try posting a bit further between cool downs next time

>>714458662
>I can imagine them forcing companies to include some big letter notice at startup about acknowledging this is merely live service
Ross stated sometime ago in one of his update vids that this is the most likely outcome, whereas best case would be basically what you alluded to and requiring companies to provide an end-of-life plan for their games i.e. offline version/local hosting.

>>714455448
Notice how at no point does the company that sold you the burger or bike yanks it away so you have to buy a newer shinier version like it wants to do with vidya

>>714458770
He's an industry plant.

>>714456605
Assmongbald was actually cupping PS's balls so hard they bruised saying he did nothing wrong and the backlash was all internet hate machine bullshit, but then his editor wheels out the title, thumbnail and editing to make it look like the roachman is shitting on Jason's soul.

>>714458554
I dunno. Given how fat your country is, maybe you'll benefit from having your burgers and soda sizes labeled like cigarettes

How long till they turn on each other?

>>714458857
Doubling down won't speak it into existence. That's Eric shitposter tier of delusion

>>714452716 (OP)
Means literally nothing. It'll reach Parlimant and fizzle out there.

>>714456605
>it was pirate's fault
>no it wasn't, posts an organic diminishing returns graph
>you can't just say that
Ross is such a fucking faggot.

>>714458893
I wouldn't be surprised if assmongoloid's editor is straight up fucking with him, it would be well-deserved

>>714458869
So why are ameriniggers crying when it's most likely nothing?

>>714458913
kek

>>714459016
Because popular thing bad

>>714456576
>They sold me a product that I had to download
>They complained when I downloaded the product I paid for

>>714458963
Depends on how Louis goes after that part 2 video. People were just calling out the fag "developer" he pulled out to counter-argue the SKG movement but he slowly realised he pulled a dumb motherfucker.

>>714458005
None really, bit too poor for big online games and my machine isn't exactly the best, but I don't need for it to affect myself personally in order to oppose it
I just see the trends of corpos fucking everyone without real pushback after the initial one, and figured that its not gonna get better unless someone does something

>>714454524
>everyone forgets about this whole thing in 2 weeks.

I will personally make sure to remind him and everyone else of what he tried to do if SKG succeeds. Imagine they finally succeed and legislation is passed where game developers must have an End of Life plan and now games moving forward, when they shut down, players can host their own servers and their games are preserved. I'm supposed to let bygones be bygones of some narcissist who can't be honest what he was doing or be honest about what the movement is about? Bull shit.

>>714457609
>no specifics or examples given
>sources: trust me bro
Kek

>>714454486
on paper I would prefer a completely free marketplace, however as I'm not allowed to hire mercenaries to kill people we don't have a completely free marketplace and must function within the rules of the existing system.

>>714459016
Americans want this to succeed, well, the smart ones anyway like (Me)
the haters are a mix of trolls, eternal contrarian naysayers, a ferret rapist and his ferret-raping fanbase, and a bunch of chinks, jeets and jews that run the usual spam squadrons (temporary mercenary units of the haters)

>>714459169
>ferret-raping fanbase
How many ferrets are there to go around anyway? Are they sharing the same ferrets? Is this the reason why maldavius needs some ferret sanctuary or something?

>>714453272
i am constantly receiving bans for the most archaic shit now. jannies act like they received a promotion now.

>>714459253
That's the running theory. The more people dig into him, the more degenerate shit they find. It'll only be a matter of time before jackpot and we'll know for sure

>>714459269
They might actually be getting paid now. Maldavius said he will double their wages if they try to shut it down.

>>714456576
That is the service that's included in steam for all publishers. If you use an inferior platform to distribute your games and have to pay extra, that's a skill issue.

>The developer infidels shall release all their source code and intellectual property to me the nanosecond after the game becomes unplayable for more than five minutes or I shall fashion their genitals into a necklace and spread my spores across their land enveloping them in a never ending wave of fuzzy black death inshallah death to israel heil hitler
I can't believe he actually said this he sounds kind of extreme desu

>>714456605
>already had downward trend.
if you see someone is falling down and you kick him as he is losing its balance, it is hard to explain to everyone after the fact that he was going to fall anyway and your kick had nothing to do with it even if it was true.

>>714459130
>when they shut down, players can host their own servers and their games are preserved
this is what people supporting this movement actually believe will happen. Complete disillusion with reality. What you will actually get is an end of life plan where they stop selling the game / all MTX for 6 months - 1 year and then take the servers offline

>>714452929
Ahhhhhhhhh immigrants niggerman save me

>>714454090
We still can read the Odyssey despite that being well over 2000 years old, why shouldn't we preserve it? Just because books can't survive for that long?

>>714459167
bro the non aggression principle says it would be really lame if you did that, cmon man follow the free market's bro code

>>714458525
I'm not a codemonkey, what's the issue here?

>>714459126
I always think about stuff like Wow or FF 14
Whenever those games get shut off in the future, no one with an actual brain thinks those companies should allow people to host their own servers and make money. They don't own the copyright, didn't make it etc. You paid to join a service while it was still operating. Once it's shut down, it's gone. Consumers being able to operate it themselves just because they bought access to a key at one point in the service's lifecycle doesn't add up to me

>>714459132
See >>714453281

>>714458963
Not gonna lie, from seeing the thumbnail thought you edited cat ears on Ross for some unfathomable reason.

>>714459406
We shouldn't preserve it because it discourages people from buying new books. Frankly, the video game model should be expanded to other industries. The economy would massively benefit.

>>714459430
they broke it first.

>>714459169
You sound like a rape victim. First time on the internet?

>>714458963
at work, how did the live stream go?

>>714459109
Was the part 2 the stream they said they were gonna do? I didn't catch that, how did it go?

>>714458554
Well I guess I've got negative IQ because I have no idea when access to any of my games is going to be revoked

>>714459479
How much of a negro monkey do you have to be say we shouldn't preserve the fucking Odyssey of all things? You soul is blacker the blackest negro of africa. The depths of maldavius' butthole, unknown even to his gnome dildo, have more light than absolute dark you have inside your cranium.

>>714453038
Gooooood morning, saar!

>>714459538
what is this broke-dick non-sequitur lmfao

>>714458661
You have to realise that a good portion of users on this site grew up here, have been using it since they're 12 years old. instead of being socialised IRL they learned the rules of social interaction and their worldview on 4chan. And contrarianism is THE main pradigm. Be against the current thing. If many people like/support something, it HAS to be bad.

That is - and I am not exaggerating here - the only metric these kids judge things by. If something has such unanimous support as SKG, then it triggers some kind of primal response in the 4chan zoomer. He is subconciously forced to oppose it very hard, even if that means spamming gay and child porn for a few hours.

>>714459438
Nah

>>714459732
Get a load of this armchair psychologist

>>714459607
>he didn't read the TOS
why would you agree to & pay money for something without reading it first???

here's an excerpt for you from Destiny2
>For residents in North America: Bungie does not guarantee that any online services, play or features associated with the Program (collectively, “Online Services”) or Live Content will be available at all times or at any given time or that Bungie will continue to offer Online Services or Live Content for any particular length of time. Bungie may change and update Online Services or Live Content without notice to you. Bungie makes no warranty or representation regarding the availability of Online Services and reserves the right to modify or discontinue Online Services at its sole discretion without notice, including for example, ceasing an Online Service for economic reasons due to a limited number of users continuing to make use of the Online Service over time. NOTWITHSTANDING ANYTHING TO THE CONTRARY, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT ONLINE SERVICES MAY BE TERMINATED IN WHOLE OR IN PART AT BUNGIE’S SOLE DISCRETION WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU. IN CONNECTION WITH ONLINE SERVICES’ TERMINATION, YOUR ABILITY TO ACCESS, USE AND PLAY THE PROGRAM MAY BE TERMINATED IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND ANY AND ALL LIVE CONTENT LICENSED TO YOU MAY BE TERMINATED. YOU ASSUME ANY AND ALL RISK OF LOSS ASSOCIATED WITH THE TERMINATION OF ONLINE SERVICES AND ANY LOSS OF LIVE CONTENT OR OTHERWISE.

>>714459438
>Wow
WoW is a proper service, sold as a service. It's clear upfront whenever you sign up to it that it will last X number of days and you'll have access for that long. They don't say you're "buying" anything, they don't pretend it's a good, they don't hide in the 69th page of the EULA that they may or may not shut down the servers whenever a albino mosquito stings the CEO left butt cheek. They say straight to your face what it is you're paying for and they give you just that if you, fully aware of what you're doing, decide to pay for it. There's zero harm done there, SKG has absolutely zero issues with it. More power to them.

>>714457658
Why is that particular right important?

>>714459807
Ok but when is that going to happen?

>>714459543
It started off well, but it was clear towards the end that things would not end well between them. It really was unfortunate how things turned out.

>>714452716 (OP)
I like Ross and this is a good thing but 1 million signatures is nothing

>>714459857
Because if IP owners do not have control over who I can sell access to their IP, they will be less motivated to create IP, which is damaging to the economy and hurts all of us.

>>714459920
Whenever the IP owner decides.

>>714459672
>tp

>>714459820
so instead of effectively unlimited access to all games that are worth playing for a small upfront fee, you would rather have every single game become a subscription service or be bundled into a subscription service like game pass?

Sometimes the reality of a situation works in your favor and you should not fuck with it because things can get oh so much worse

>>714459803
It's completely accurate. I barely come here anymore. Only for happenings (such as SKG or E3 when it still happened.) And I made the correct prediction that most of /v/ will be on board but that a few will shitpost against it and I predicted their exact wording and methods.
If you have basic pattern recognition then the posters here become awfully transparent and you can predict their next line of posting before it happens. (Also very helpful for trolling these people aka you) Just post like I do and they get mad.

>>714459581
No, that's another video but there is a new stream 7 hours ago on Louis's channel that I havent seen yet.

>>714459803
Nerve status= struck.

>>714460003
The (You) stops here

>>714460005
>it's actually good that you never know if the game you're buying is gonna last 2 days or 2 decades

>>714456881
>everything I don't want to believe is AI
>someone presents something as argument so I know I will disagree with it
You probably believe the ice wall is a thing and that the Earth is flat, too.

>>714459732
>>714460019
I used to be like that. Good thing I switched to trading where being a faggot contrarians actually pays well and not just in (you)s

>>714459820
Doesn't that apply then to any game that is live service based or has components to it then? I don't see it was an MMO exclusive thing

StopKillingGames, StartKilling_____?

>>714460091
It's good because it maintains the integrity of the IP owner's private property rights.

>>714459975
>whenever the IP owners decides
So there's no way for me to know how much time my subscription covers. Good to know

>>714455448
>corpos are niggers
i agree, very true

>>714460129
PirateSoftware

>>714460091
okay anon, what games are you upset about for getting shutdown 2 days after you bought it?

>>714460129
Kill the animals

I didn't know /v/ was so fucking full of tranny commies. I hate this fucking place.

>>714460129
Furfags

>>714460089
>the raped can only cope

>>714460051
Oh, my bad, thanks. I think I missed that upload.
Gonna try catching up when I have the time

>>714458638
think it would be literally easier just to give players access to make their own server

How do we protect Ross from being murdered from a fan of Jason?

>haha take that now they will have to commit to hosting servers for 2 years at least!
>wait what do you mean now every single game is charging us for a 2 year server pass every 2 years?!
You are braindead if you think that this wont be monkey pawed against you. but hey at least the 12 retards who bought the crew can still play their shitty game.

>>714456576
Cmon. At least try to be realistic. No one's this much of a professional corporate dick sucker.

>>714459975
If IP isn’t created out of a creative drive, nothing of value was lost. And no amount of meddling will stop that.

>>714452716 (OP)
Nothing will happen out of this, a rag tag of poor people won't be able to lobby against literal corporation's interests by just signing a petition.

>>714459975
It's just videogames anon. You don't need them

>commie this
>commie that
Your mother commie her daddy, faggot.

>>714460220
pissed off at your own reflection? it's okay, we'll fight for your rights to own games even if your tranny commie ideology says private property is bad

>>714452929
Getting tunnel vision on one thing at a time is an am*rican thing. That's how you've been played on 9/11, played by Coppa and played by Trump.

>>714459471
>chatgpt regurgitation by *DANIEL*
Kek, try again. Preferably so that "is this text written by ai" doesnt return a score of 100%

>>714460105
I used to be that too. I'm not far off from my own description. Started lurking 4chan when I was 16. From 2009 until 2014 24/7 and then stopped what we now call "doomscrolling".
You're actually here forever but I went from being a full time resident to an actual tourist (that knows way more about this site than the newfags who use the term "tourist" instead of newfag lol).

But after more than a decade you just get a certain birds eye view on the dynamics here. I mean most people do. Some are just too stupid and will be like the faggot zoomer they are now into their late 40s.

>>714460294
Creators could end up creating IP out of creative drive and then destroying it instead of publishing it due to being unable to protect their property. This is damaging to the economy from opportunity cost.

>>714452929
>some celebrity died or Trump did something so the whole world should just let bad things happen and focus on that
That's what you sound like fag

>>714460339
>trump whining out of nowhere
deranged tranny detected

>>714454181
What do you mean?

Its over...

>>714460412
I accept your concession

>>714460110
It isn't an MMO exclusive thing. You're free to do service based games as much as you want as long as you make it clear that you're selling a service and follow all laws regulating that practice.
For example you have to tell *at the point of sale* (the part the shills always ignore) exactly how long it's gonna last, you can't say it won't last forever, or at it will last "at least this much", you have to be specific. Which WoW does.
You also can't sell good that depend on that service functioning. If you game is a service but you sell a skin as a good then you need to have access to that skin and if the skin depends on the game then congratulations, you played yourself. WoW doesn't do that AFAIK so they're in the clear here.
Is this the absolute best outcome for gaymers? Not really, but this is a consumer rights movement, and what the EU is gonna care about is for companies to respect the rights of the consumers. None of those things I mentioned here are new legislation that SKG is proposing, this is all already written law in the EU, it just isn't enforced for games because nobody bothered challenging the legality of GaaS yet.
>>714460145
The IP owner can eat my entire ass.

Is this gamergate for zoomers?

>>714460220
It's a bunch of trannies from twitter and ross's discord that's listed on the skg website.

Having read a lot of discussion on this in game development communities and videos from developers on youtube, I think this is going to be a big, uphill fight even discounting the corporate publishers who will kick and scream about it

A lot of devs legitimately seem concerned about the feasibility of this in relation to releasing server hosting tools due to agreements with third party code that are used a lot in development

Personally, I don't give a fuck if heavily online titles are now less possible as a result of that, and I am sure if the EU mandated it developers would find a way around the issue, but if even individual developers rather then just industry lobbyists are skeptical and worried, then I think the EU commission is likely going to also not want to act on this

Is Ross still intending to dip out of this come July 31st? Who is taking over? I think whowever is spearheading this after that date really needs to go out of their way to get in touch with EU developers who think it is feasible to have them involved in advocacy and speaking with EU lawmakers, and also be speaking to developers who are skeptical or against it to better understand their position and arguments, be it to compromise, or just to know how to better debunk those concerns

Shills being so angry and spiteful makes me think this will really work

>>714460536
Yes. They hate seeing a diverse and thriving game industry so they want it all burnt to the ground.

>>714454090
blu rays are pretty sturdy, but i dont expect a pcfag to know

>>714460276
Jason has fans?

>>714456537
>It sounds like you're into Juche.
no, i'm actually pretty opposed to any kind of extreme authoritarianism
i don't even really like light authoritarianism that much
i agree more with tolkien than kim il-sung

>>714460536
What a dogshit question. What a dogshit post.

>>714460536
No because it's impossible to make gaymen worse

>>714458525
I recall he chose that as his DRM solution. But one has to wonder how someone that claims to have been part of the game industry for 20 years, does not know about the continued existence of Steam emulators...

>>714460536
It's gamergoy for the gaytors too, in the year of our lord 2025.

>>714460603
Not anymore. Can't imagine the retarded furfag (redundancy) still willing to give money to this... thing

>>714460603
He has a bunch of young boys who genuinely look up to him because they still believe he's wise and competent.

>>714457007
Those are bots, dumbass

>>714458358
>a single player game that REQUIRES you to be connected to steam to track your progress because it doesn't save it, it just check your steam achievements and puts the game in the corresponding state, he did that because he believes it protects him against piracy.
Chat, is this real?

I wonder what sort of shit he puts his gay, mentally ill, furry moderators through. Paying them a full time salary is obviously a control thing, rather than just being a good guy

>>714460706
sounds like a new generation of kids needs to be raised on Freeman's Mind

>>714460743
He pays his moderators? Why does this strike me as completely insane and deranged

>>714454524
This would work if this would be the first time he fucked up.
But in the public eye after the wow-roach shit, pretending to solve animal well solo, sueing some tiny indie dev and now this people won't just forget about it.

>>714454371
>yall
Nigger, gtfo

>>714452716 (OP)
>On today's meeting we have... stop killing games initiative? Games? Are you serious? People need to grow up and we don't have time for this. Next issue on the list is...
It's gonna go exactly like this, stop fooling yourself

>>714460784
goyslop for redditors

>>714460472
Confession denied

>>714460852
you type like a fag and your shit's all retarded

>>714460842
Yep, this is going to hit a table on some 75 year old politicians desk and promptly thrown into the trash

>>714452929
>appeal to trivality
>dont preserve your history goy.
I wonder who is being this post.

>>714455936
You're a fucking retard if you think anything good will come out of it. Suits are sneaky bastards and will either just stop selling to the EU entirely or come up with something far worse and EU Compliant.

All so you could play some shitty online only games no one cares about.

>>714460714

nah, bugs like these always have some people watching and giving him money, even to hatewatch him

>>714452929
The world frankly has a lot of shit on its plate right now

>>714460897
>>714460842
good morning sirs

>>714457802
>so some american nobody says "there are no laws about this" and uses it as a debunk of "we want laws about this"
You've got some pretty shitty reading comprehension if that's your interpretation of what he said, considering he said literally the opposite multiple times in that blog.
>after it has expired, in which case you need to remove or acquire a new license for that IP
And thus illegal to continue using that IP if the changes aren't made. Congratulations on repeating what was said in different words.
>it demands an expectation of durability for something that is functionally sold as a good
And thus asking the government to legislate and regulate how games are made. Man, your reading comprehension really does suck ass.
> i know for a fact that every single pussy ass publisher is going to kneel and deal with it
You don't know shit, then. They'll fight tooth and nail to be able to continue to not spend money on shit they don't want to spend money on. Kind of the whole purpose of SKG is to force the support til something is functionally standalone, yeah?
>cry about it
Sure thing, Internet Tough Guy. Wanna meet in the parking lot and settle this after work? Also, the page isn't mine, I was just sharing someone else's perspective on the whole thing.
>no one is asking for indefinite service
>no one is asking for the games to be playable forever, even when they were online games to begin with
>he thinks online games just function without servers to keep them running
>he thinks running servers is free or cheap
Ah, you also lack the ability to think deeper than surface level.
>EULA isn't law and can't actually be enforced
I 100% agree with that and always have.
>terminally online moron deflection calling something AI because too lazy to read and think

>>714460891
I'd rather watch amazingatheist pour boiling oil over his microdick than redditor's mind

>>714455936
The only serious counterargument I can think of is that if you give the government an inch, they could go a mile. When this matter goes to court, it has to be careful to only ensure support for private servers, nothing more.

>>714455448
>Object stolen by dindu
>Police find dindu, I get my bike back

>Corpo plugs off servers
>"Okay, can I use my server now?"
>"No"

>>714460852
Freeman's Mind is kino and you need to get that broomstick our of your ass

>>714461063
more like kringe

>>714460842
Fuken this. Also I bet half the politicians either have gaming stocks or friends in the industry.

It's true that it is extra work to maintain a path to local hosting. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. At a minimum, the tools the devs use to test things locally would have to be properly documented, probably would need cleaning up or at worst, they'd need an overhaul. If it's an expectation from the start that the local hosting route had to be maintained, it probably wouldn't be as big a hit but it certainly would eat into scope. If the game has mtx, you'd need to work out how to replace that process (all users get them for free on login? Remove them completely?) so there's some interesting detail there too.