what are your favorite metroidvanias?

>>714455884 (OP)
blasphemous is kino

>>714455884 (OP)
You posted it.
I also like Aeterna Noctis a lot but it's an incredibly flawed game.

Sorry, i dont play transcoded genres.

>>714456000
how is it flawed? is it still worth playing?

I already tried to play sotn, blasphemous, hollow knight, ori and some other games i cannot remember by name now, but still i cant get hooked in them.
is there a good metroidvania game that is actually good?

>>714455884 (OP)
>Environmental Station Alpha
>Hollow Knight
I like collecting images of the full 100% detailed map of the games stitched together
Unfortunately nobody on the internet thus far made a nice enough complete and high quality image of the later that doesnt have a huge file size
This one is the best available, but it completely rapes the lighting
https://hk-map.b-cdn.net/HollowKnightMap_by_RainingChain_zoom0.png?v=1

>>714456284
ESA as long as you can stomach the graphics
Its the first commercial game by the guy who created Baba is You and Noita so you probably know what to expect

>>714455884 (OP)
the real vania heads seem to be digging chronicles of the wolf... it's pretty good. the art style looks a bit off at first but it is a very much a crafted, artisanal game

>>714456157
>how is it flawed

Putting it briefly
>combat wants to be hollow knight but forgets to make it as smooth as hollow knight, you don't have a parry or an iframes dash or a smaller hitbox than everything so it feels like you're a bull in a china shop unable to do anything besides eat attacks if your crystal arrow isn't off cooldown, and the game overuses the fuck out of explodes on death slimes that throw projectiles at you in lots of narrow corridors and it gets real old real fast.
>has the indie metroidvania trapping where maps don't actually feel like big stages for you to loop in but instead it's pic related, and given the nature of the game's platforming(it's basically celeste/super meatboy lite) this can get really fucking annoying
>has just a bunch of little niggling complaints like asstons of bloom everywhere that you can't turn off(enjoy going blind in the tower of light, the phoenix cult forge, the trial of kings and the Administrator bossfight)

>is it still worth playing
Personally I think it is.
Graphically it's a very beautiful game, bloom aside. It has an extremely pretty map graphic that I can't find the full thing online and is sadly mostly obscured by fog that you'll never reach ingame, unless you edit the game files you'll never witness it in full.
The nature of the game's platforming being celeste or meatboy lite means that every single room is a very difficult(relative to other metroidvanias) which makes exploration feel like a grand adventure even if the corridor issue I've mentioned exists. At the end of the game you're going through really tough sections that make the white palace(hollow knight) look like childs play but you're in such an absolute zen state it feels natural to go through these areas and the music is so fucking good and the game just feel ballsy to do this when every other metroidvania feels like it coddles you.
https://youtu.be/ReSA_qhQLDo

>>714456980
>It has an extremely pretty map graphic that I can't find the full thing online and is sadly mostly obscured by fog that you'll never reach ingame, unless you edit the game files you'll never witness it in full.
if you think AE has it bad, you should see how they raped Ori 2's visuals

>>714456980
it's on sale for 6$ right now so I might as well try it

>>714455884 (OP)
SOTN
Super Metroid
AM2R

>>714456845
I really enjoyed it but it's a bit of an acquired taste on account of it still being by Migami, who is a dev I can only describe as amateur soul.
Like the game looks very "flash game castlevania", there's a lot of ballsy shit like instant death cutscenes(they're often hinted at but still) in a game with somewhat limited save points and warp points, there's the igavania issue of spamming dash/slide to get anywhere fast after a while but it's like someone saw the qualities in Simon's Quest and thought "yeah I can make that but good" and did so.
Again I'm super biased, I really fucking liked Lecarde Chronicles 2 and CotW is basically Lecarde Chronicles 2.0 I can't claim it's better or worse) so I'm all for it.

>>714457193
If there's a demo or you're not averse to pirating I recommend doing that first.

>>714457098
I didn't mean it in that way. I mean the map that comes up when you press select(or whatever the equivalent is on keyboard) has black fog on the areas you haven't explored, in a game where there a lots of high ceilings in rooms that you'll never touch so they'll forever have that fog. That map screen is really detailed and has really pretty artwork especially in the cosmos area.

Ender Lilies, Castlevania SotN, Rabi-Ribi.

Those 3 are the holy trinity of best metroidvania games.

>>714456284
Yoku's Island Express

>>714455884 (OP)
Castlevania
>Aria
>Circle of the Moon
>Symphony
Metroid
>Super
>AM2R
>Fusion
Indie
>Rabi-Ribi
>Bloodstained
>Environmental Station Alpha
>Steamworld Dig 2
>Axiom Verge
>Tevi
Maybe not exactly in that order, but something close.

>>714455884 (OP)
I did not care for Hollow Knight

>>714455884 (OP)
just the castlevania and metroid series. bloodstained was kino and deedlit was alright

>>714456284
Prince of persia the lost crown

>>714459042
>comes complaining about it out of nowhere when the OP has nothing to do with it
thats very caring for someone who doesnt care. are you gonna post 1000 times about silksong once it floods the catalog?

>>714456284
yes, actual metroid games

>>714457256
kill yourself, faggot

>>714455884 (OP)
Wonderboy 3
Monster World 3
Monster World 4
Hebereke (famicom version)
Super Metroid
Zero Mission
SOTN

Nothing afterwards has come close to those 4 for me. Nothing captures their magic, their level design, their music etc.

>>714464569
>those 4
I meant those ones*

>>714455884 (OP)
Bloodstained

>>714455884 (OP)
the witness
outer wilds
dark souls
the return of the obra dinn
resident evil
her story
riven
la-mulana
soul reaver

>>714455884 (OP)
Symphony of the Night
That Shanoa game, order of ecclesia maybe.
Super Metroid 2

>>714455979
Mechanically mediocre, cool art, yet blasphemous art.

>>714456284
Mio looks fantastic, crows worn is hyped as incoming number one, chronicles wolf is like the new sotn.

>>714464908
That's the ingame graphics?

>>714456548
Made a map of screencaps?!

>>714456284
No.
Only good games that exist in the weorld are sports games and barbie games for the ps1.

>>714455884 (OP)
SotN. The best thing about castleroids is exploration. SotN has it.
Hollow Knight. It also has exploration and a lot of locations are connected to 3 others at least. Also, by completing ~2.5 zones, 2 bosses, getting dash upgrade and wall climb upgrade (half of the third zone, not even bossfight guards it) you get access to most zones in the game, getting lantern allows you to navigate those few with darkness (which is also possible to do without lantern, but is rather frustrating).
Rabi-Ribi. Nice to see, nice to explore, nice to hear, weird interesting plot with various implications. Only thing i don't really like is bullet hell, but after a few dozen attempts on most bosses on normal it is manageable.
Castlevania HoD - mostly for aestetic and atmosphere. It is SotN 0.85 from the point of view of a human in the mysterious lair of horrors rather than of a half-vampire son of the owner of the castle coming home to solve a mystery.
Separately are Shantae games - RRevenge and SS, also mostly for aestetics. Absolutely beautiful forest in RR.
Also there is Blasphemous and The Last Faith. First looks better in terms of quality and uniqueness, second (being a mix of Blasphemous and Bloodborne gameplaywise and getting plot advancement moments and visuals from the latter) just feels better as a game, despite being "actually linear".

chasm is fun, so is lost ruins. bloodstained is definitely worth a mention cause that game is awesome, the last faith ain't a bad game but its a bit of a learning curve with all the shit that could probably be done so much more simply

>>714456284
>hollow knight
my condolences

>>714470374
It's one of the best games ever made. Personally, I don't like it and only bought it because it was like 3 usd. Dropped it after 5h for lad, but it's true that hk is excellently made. Artisans craft.

>>714455884 (OP)
Are there metroidvanias with decent minigames?

>>714470839
>It's one of the best games ever made. Personally, I don't like it

>>714470839
>It's one of the best games ever made. Personally, I don't like it

>>714470891
I remember Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth having a pretty fun archery minigame. It also had a gambling game that I didn't spend more than 3 minutes on

>>714471120
It's objectively good.
>it's great, but not to my liking.
Unfortunately you can't grasp this concept, literally brainlet, according to newest intelligence studies findings.
>>714471443
Is it worth 10 bucks? It came out of nowhere and it does seem like fanservice, the game.

>yeah, I got bored after a few hours. Still one of the best game ever though.

>>714471726
>Is it worth 10 bucks?
I enjoyed it despite not knowing anything about Record of Lodoss War but I was completely lost on the story the entire time.
I'd recommend giving at least one of the dev's metroidvanias a chance, just go with whichever one looks most appealing since they're all pretty much the same for better and for worse although only the Deedlit one has minigames AFAIK.

>>714472219
I don't like games that lack a level up mechanic. On top of that I feel that hk is pretty bland in the beginning, when you don't have any artifacts or skills to use.

>>714471726
A tiny smidge of difference between
>I didn't like this game but have completed it and can acknowledge it being good
and
>I didn't like this game and dropped it before coming even near completing it but it's massively popular so I must call it one of the best games ever made

>>714472587
I should've added that I dropped it temporarily. I do intend to beat it, but I am playing other games right now. It's not the only game I didn't beat. Maybe dropped wasn't the perfect word, but set aside for the moment would fit better. Obviously 4channers got triggered over a trivial matter once again.

Underrated gaem
https://youtu.be/CGNN70Rwzx8?si=oHD_UJADMkNdmuUr

>>714472742
Didn't know it's an rpg

>>714472810
It's metroidvania/souls like but you can upgrade your stats so it has rpg elements.

>>714472742
Nice try shill. Not buying your indie slop

>>714464569
What do you think of the Wonderboy games on steam? I think there's a couple on there
I never learned what the difference between monster world and wonderboy is, was there some kind of localization fuckery?

>>714455884 (OP)
Resident Evil

>>714472689
Dropped does not mean temporarily, dropped means you're done.
>Obviously 4channers got triggered over a trivial matter once again.
If calling "being called out for acting retarded" that makes you feel better.

>>714472543
>I don't like games that lack a level up mechanic.

>>714470839
>It's one of the best games ever made.
t. literal retard

>>714472953
>thread about games
>post game
>reeeee shilll
.

>>714473587
Good
>>714473861
We don't sign posts here. Everyone here knows you are one.

>>714473437
>Dropped does not mean temporarily, dropped means you're done.
now youre inventing your own retarded semantics
when talking about rain world or noita or something people will constantly say "oh wow i dropped it early 94 times in a row until one day i played it all the way to the end and realised it was kino"

will nu-/v/ literally EVER get over this game?

>>714474085
>We don't sign posts here.
Which is why I did it for you, since you need help with everything, wearing a bicycle helmet to post on /v/ and all.

>>714475090
Silksong never ever lmao

>>714475138
No u
>not above anything, kek

>>714475497
Its the second time you used that tactic in this thread, don't worry, didn't expect anything less from a low IQ nigger such as yourself.

>>714462426
>when the OP has nothing to do with it
So Hollow Knight isn't a metroidvania anymore?

>>714475675
>low IQ nigger
Midwit and racist. Must be fun being frustrated, paranoid and a brainlet. Don't worry, weekend is ahead.

>>714475208
confirmed this year
>>714475748
no, its the first official Hollowlike. Check wikipedia, it confirms it

>>714455884 (OP)
Super Metroid has yet to be dethroned.

Both ori's are my favorite

>>714455884 (OP)
I unironically loved several rather mainstream and popular metroidvanias llike Grime, Somber Echoes, Moonscars, Hollow Knight, Last Faith, Ender Lillies and Magnolia and Blasphemous 1-2 but I keep returning to Voidwrought after it added NG+ with 3 routes and hardmode. It's just... comfy playing it on Deck.
Other than that I recently finished Nine Sols which was surpisingly good.
Combat was fun, platforming was ok, story was interesting but what I really loved was the aesthetic, I think someone here called it Taopunk.

>>714476260
The devs themselves described Nine Sols as Taopunk.

>>714455884 (OP)
>metroidvania
I hate this retarded genre. It has to be one of the most boring and mindnumbing genres that has ever graced this world. I like only the following despite having wasted considerable time and effort on playing several of them.

1. SotN - only because of its beautiful aesthetics, atmosphere and music.
2. Hollow Knight - the only metroidvania that actually needs you to be good at the controls to beat.
3. La Mulana - loved that the puzzles required more than three braincells to solve

That's about it. Infernax and Simons quest (with romhacks) are tolerable at best. Every other fucking game in this genre is dogshit (including metroid). That is all.

>>714477083
have you tried environmental station alpha

>>714477083
SOTN is ancient and no longer the best looking in its subgenre. Hollow Knight being challenging it's a meme for shitters to feel better about themselves. La Mulana... is ok, tho puzzles are the lamest part of any metroidvania

>>714480160
>SOTN is ancient and no longer the best looking in its subgenre
That's the dumbest shit I've heard anyone say in this thread.

>>714480160
>Hollow Knight being challenging it's a meme for shitters to feel better about themselves
its not like its a "le hardcore" game but its one of the very very few in the genre where the enemy movesets arent eternally a braindead snorefest. the core game has potentially really challenging fights like NKG, failed champion etc
and theres some hard as fuck content if you really want it like P5 all bindings

>>714480732
i think it's "challenging" because compared to other MV player characters, HK is rather limited in terms of abilities.

>>714480160
>puzzles are the lamest part of any metroidvania
Puzzles are supposed to be the best of any exploration based genre. I don't have a clue why you would hate the game for providing a solid reason for you to explore other than just "you need to explore to progress duh".

>>714455884 (OP)
Portrait of Ruin is my all time favorite.

>>714479819
Visuals hurt my eyes.

>>714480912
>HK is rather limited in terms of abilities
Limiting the moveset is a valid gameplay design decision to make the game more challenging. There's absolutely nothing wrong in it.

>>714480912
he literally isnt though?
tons MV games have you doing very stale/one dimensional responses compared to enemy actions, and the knight is just really fluid, his momentum never dies down if you press buttons properly and he has an answer for everything
You can put him in nearly any other metroidvania game and it makes the bosses become a joke

Theres indeed some metroid-likes where the characters have some flashier/more powerful moves or crazier mobility, but the enemy design in these games is almost consistently a joke for some reason, so it doesnt really matter

>>714481274
Thats exactly what happened to me when i was new at the game, it was the sole occasion where the graphics of a game felt genuinely jarring to me. But i just kept playing it, it got better over time, eventually i started thinking its pretty because the world is sick, theres some kino atmospheres and you get used to it
Not only it ends up a pretty competent typical MV at its core, it also the closest thing to La Mulana in a way: Theres a big secret hunt over the whole map that takes over the second half of the game, and in the first half(up to the final boss) you will probably be coming across bits and pieces of it & putting the clues together
>>714456678
sums it up

>>714455884 (OP)
deedlit in wonder labyrinth
tohou luna knights
cave story
rain world
DS Castlevanias > GBA Castlevanias
System Shock 1

>>714455884 (OP)
Environmental Station Alpha is really good
I also enjoyed Animal Well, thought it was some FOTM shit at first glance but it's competently made and fun

>>714481304
oh I agree, I didn't say it's wrong but I assume people find it challenging because HK doesn't get as many power-ups as other MCs.
>>714481575
I agree, maybe my wording was wrong, I meant in terms of ability quantity. For example if you learn how to perfectly fight the first boss you'll be able to adapt and fight every boss afterwards because you'd really won't have to adapt or be forced to use to a new mechanic/ability that you unlocked.
Like in Nine Sols when you get the Unbounded Counter you really need to learn to use it afterwards or else every boss fight afterwards becomes hard (not unbeatable). I don't remember HK having that issue

>>714455884 (OP)
Sotn and AoS

>>714455884 (OP)
Hollow Knight
Afterimage
Timespinner
I haven't played a whole lot of this genre. I've only played the majority of classicvanias (no SotN), Zero Mission, and Samus returns for the actual games the genre was given its name for.
>>714472689
>I should've added that I dropped it temporarily.
You put it on hold. Distinctions like this are important when you're dealing with the swarm of autists known as /v/.
>>714456284
Try a shorter one I suppose. Timespinner has a LGBT flavored sidequest that /v/ chimps out about, but it's a good, fun, short game. You can 100% in less than 10 hours.

>>714455884 (OP)
>SOTN
But you can't keep saying SOTN
>SOTN Randomizer, extra crispy.
People swore Rabi-Ribi was good but it's not, Chasm was ass. I guess Cave Story and Bunny Must Die are the only good ones besides SOTN

>>714482371
>classicvanias
Not part of the genre.

>>714482192
just because you arent forced to do it, that doesnt mean youre not encouraged to
fighting enemies using only the basic slashes, not using spells and not using nail arts etc will not only downgrade the gameplay by making it blander, it will also make the game a lot harder
If anything what you said about Nine Sols is the exact same situation as HK. You will be catastrophically downgrading your gameplay if you dont play around unbound counter, funny jades, charge attacks and whatever. But literally nothing stops you from just fighting every enemy with parryslop, dodging red attacks and kicking green attacks, and just doing the normal slashes/easy talismans in the gaps. In fact its even easier than HK's hardest challenges due to 9S's more canned/simon saisy nature. The same logic goes for the game 9S copies even: Sekiro

But its also important to separate this from "how good the game is at encouraging variety"; Theres something about HK moveset that makes people more likely to stick way too hard exclusively to the slashes. Nine Sols is the best of the bunch in terms of encouraging player variety. Sekiro is the worst one here: It has super powerful prosthetics and combat arts for general usage, but shitty balance that gives people bad experiences & how stale these tools are during the early game makes it so just about 50% of the players end up doing nothing but L1L1L1 R1R1R1 for the entire game. On the flipside, it doesnt get downgraded as badly as HK and Nine Sols do when you refuse to engage with the fancier moves
>or else every boss fight afterwards becomes hard (not unbeatable).
on this topic i always found 9S's difficulty to be very overrated, if you played Sekiro you should beat most bosses with 1-2 tries. I only spent a while dying to the big guy that was controlled by his sister with a flute (his damage is huge and so is his hp)

>>714483039
hmm maybe the encouragement part of the argument is what I was lacking. i didn't feel "encouraged" to try a different build on HK after finding a rather basic one compared to 9S. you're right.
>9S's difficulty to be very overrated
it is, i just finished standard mode and true ending and at the second out of three Eigong phases I realised that as long as I parry the non-red attacks I can't die no matter how much internal damage I had so I stopped bothering with healing and it made the fight easier

>>714455884 (OP)
Hollow Knight, Ender Lilies and Axiom Verge.

>>714480160
>SOTN is ancient and no longer the best looking in its subgenre.
do present what games you think are better looking

>>714480160
>Hollow Knight being challenging it's a meme for shitters to feel better about themselves.
Post your Pantheon of Hallownest

>>714483450
>i didn't feel "encouraged" to try a different build on HK after finding a rather basic one compared to 9S. you're right.
While im the biggest HK fanboy on earth i must really say: Thats an objectively bad aspect of HK when it comes to its charms
I genuinely believe people would struggle much less with something like P5 if they were more into gimmicky/crutchy charms like Baldur Shell or Quick Focus, but the more generic "damage increase/spell damage/attack speed" charms (though satisfying) sound way more appealing, so practically everyone just uses them. And of course, once you get good enough at the game, these are the de-facto objectively best charms (though at that point you can eat P5 for breakfast)
If not for these charms, people would probably think about so many more interesting things: someone start trying to measure how much of a difference the soul gain and passive damage of Weaversong will make, try to estimate how many times they are getting hit before they die to see if Thorns of Agony doesnt unironically rack up a sizeable % of the bosses' healthbar, or maybe instead a combination of Spore Shroom + Defenders' Crests so every heal can deal similar damage to a spell
and of course i also really wish it played more into unique effects or moveset expansions like Baldur Shell

9S is much better in this aspect: For the first half of the game i thought the jades sucked dick in comparison to HK's charms, but in the second half of the game you get a ton of interesting cool options for different builds/playstyles. In fact, id say it has outright more interesting offense than Sekiro, while Sekiro has much more interesting player defense/enemy movesets/reactivity

>>714475748
you're only allowed to praise it

>>714481715
>DS Castlevanias > GBA Castlevanias
trvke

>>714485808
Overall I agree, buy AoS is still my favourite.

>>714485808
>>714486328
CotM and HoD really hold down the GBA trilogy as a whole, they're not bad games though, jut the weakest of the IGAvanias.

>>714486531
HoD is extremely overhated

>>714488341
I just said it's not bad. Those who hate it aren't as generous as me.

>Super Metroid
>Zero Mission
>AM2R
>Dread
>Metroid Prime
>Shantae and the Pirate's Curse if that counts
>Guacamelee
I should probably play more non-Metroid Metroidvanias.
SotN is good but I got bored in the reverse castle, it was such a pain in the ass to navigate.
Hollow Knight is also pretty good but the movement is too bland and the map is too big for its own good. Collectables are also pretty underwhelming.
The Ori games are also fine. They've got pretty fun movement but that's about all they've got going for them

>>714488341
hod actually fixed everything I hated about cotm but it took a step backwards by being extremely boring and repetitive. Also, the two castles was supposed to be a shocking reveal but the secret has been out of the bag for ages now and it ruins the appeal.

>>714455884 (OP)
Metroid is bland, boring shit. It should never be grouped alongside the masterpiece that are Castlevania games.

do you ever get a proper dash in hollow knight

>>714489221
>SotN is good but I got bored in the reverse castle, it was such a pain in the ass to navigate.
Since you should basically already know where all the save rooms are by that point, you can route it so that you're pretty much just wing smashing from save room to save room.

>>714490324
>you can route it so that you're pretty much just wing smashing from save room to save room.
That's kinda my point. You have to use bat for everything because the ceilings aren't meant to be walked on. It's really annoying

>>714490309
Define "proper dash", because the only things you get are an upgrade with some i-frames that deals shit damage, and a shitty version of the shinespark

>>714455884 (OP)
Not counting Metroid because it's my favourite series and I also don't think it really counts as a metroidvania.
Easily Luna Nights and Castlevania Circle of the Moon.

>>714481304
is this a romhack?

>>714492427
the kind MMX invented 30 years ago

>>714493280
Oh so a fun one? Then no

>>714493243
That's castlevania Revamped. A PC fan game making CV1 into a metroidvania. It surprisingly hasn't been C&D'ed by Konami.

>>714490309
i have no idea what the anon is on about
The first movement you get is a normal dash that allows some pretty fluid shit and carries momentum to pogos nicely
it doesnt have iframes for 80% of the game. once you get the upgrade that gives it an iframes but a cooldown (once every 3 dashes if you spam) you can get a charm that extends its distance travelled

>>714493802
>that extends its distance travelled
and causes it to deal nail damage*

>>714493802
I assumed he’d already gotten the base dash and realised how shit it is, so I told him about the upgrade and the only other dash move in the game
Anon wants something fun like MMX and Hollow Knight does not offer that capability

>>714494253
what makes MMX dash better to you

>>714494587
oh wait i forgot people will say "dash" by itself to refer to everything else that comes from the dash like the dash jump
nevermind then

The only metroidvanias I like are all Metroids. Castlevania is a dead franchise, frankly we should call them Metroidlikes.

>>714493491
will shitty shinespark get an iron golem upgrade at least

>>714455884 (OP)
>sloppavanias

>>714455884 (OP)
>overrated: the video game

>sprintmaster momentum won't carry over to jumps
why does team cherry hate fun movement

Ive only played momodora, sotn and metroid fusion/super re