So this entire game was supposed to be the shitty test version to hone his skills all along?

>>714469580
I try when my computer isn't busted

So knight is actually aiming at owners or shadow crystal? Kinght attacked Undyne thinking she has the crysta but Asgore who was the chief police actually keep it on him?

>>714476887 (OP)
thats how most indie devs operate
they have their magnum opus game but want to publish 2-3 lesser projects first to hone in the skills necessary to something something original vision

ralsei is the knight and the times where you see them both together it's actually a decoy ralsei and not the real one by your side

>>714476887 (OP)
I believe the game was more than fine to stand on it's own but yes, it was probably just a project to act as a stepping stone to making his, literal, "dream game".

>>714477028
knight is the one giving the crystals. also, rudy is the knight. that's why every single location with a fountain is incredibly close to the hospital, save for kris's house. and that's also why rudy is so rude to you for no reason at all after beating the knight.

>>714477396
Rudy's dialog changes whether you beat the knight or not?

>>714477396
>rudy is so rude to you for no reason at all after beating the knight.
????

>>714477396
>that's why every single location with a fountain is incredibly close to the hospital
This falls apart after taking 5 seconds to look at the full hometown sprite sheet and noticing inconsistencies with location placements. A lot of hometown is simply placed next to each other for gameplay reasons.

Gaster is the Prince from the Dark (the bunker), it will be a plot twist later on. Mysteryman is not Gaster, that would be EggMan.

>>714476887 (OP)
I want Kris to kiss Asriel

>>714477531
>>714477495
i more so meant that after you fight the knight, his usual warm tone towards you changes to a less friendly one for no real reason whatsoever. there's no dialogue change based on how you do.

>my theory is that i made it up

>>714477028
Asgore has a black shard. Shadow Crystals are just pieces of glass

My tongue + Kris blueberry anus

is this the meira

>>714477396
>rudy is the knight
actual mouth breather retard

Who's Dess

>>714477747
that is what a theory is

I don't wanna start shit and I don't care about shipping but...

Isn't Noelle's relationship with Susie kinda awful? Like everytime Noelle mentions her or talks about her it's ONLY from a fetish and kink standpoint, she's only ever displayed sexual interest, zero interest in who Susie is as a person, what's she's going through, what she's truly like. And the little interactions they've had, Noelle has constantly been trying to "play" her trying to get on her good side by putting down Kris and Berdly if she thinks it'll give her good points with her. Getting physical and angry with others if they show the slightest interest in Susie...
All while Susie is being sincere, and herself, and just natural.

It just gives gaslight, toxic relationship vibes.

>>714477842
give me one counterargument besides "but its dess tho"

>>714475359
Kris is nonbinary* and under their* sweater they are* hiding a pair of tits that would put Toriel to shame.
*Fixed Those Four You

>>714477881
lesbians are incapable of feeling love so it's accurate

>>714477882
Female Knight makes my penis hard

>>714477882
but it's dess bro

>>714477842
Better than saying Dess is the Knight. "Dess = Knight" is the biggest red herring in this entire game and it makes woodyfags look sane.
All signs point towards either Carol or Rudy and you'd be blind and or retarded to assume that "Dess" is the correct option here.

>>714477882
because "dess is the knight" is cooler
it's sexier to imagine a punk tomgirl beating the shit out of me than to imagine a 40 year old closeted homosexual beating the shit out of me

>>714477991
there is no such thing as a red herring in undertale games, why would it be the case in deltarune

>>714477994
>closeted
Asgore put him in the hospital, and not with his car

>>714478058
there's been plenty of red herrings already

>>714477991
Carol being the knight is literally the red herring you actual retard. She's framed as evil with evil soundtrack and hating on Suselle, she has katanas all over her house. Dess is the less obvious barely mentioned in the game and with hints like baseball bat as part of her song. Dess=Knight is the solved Scooby Doo case. Your other theories are just retards running in circles and doodling dicks and random words on an already solved crossword puzzle

Enough red herrings
Bring me the yellow herrings

>>714478257
Someone already stole our blue herring

>>714477881
Noelle also distance herself from Kris, she see his suffering and she's more interested in her fetishes

>>714478058
>there is no such thing as a red herring in undertale
Toriel tells you ASGORE is an asshole who is going to kill you and she tries to make you kill her to prove you're strong enough to face the threats of the underground

The final boss of Neutral and True Pacifist is the flower you met at the start of the game and don't see until after you've killed Asgore, who isn't really all that tough either

https://x.com/dessholiday
was this posted here yet or not

>>714478339
post the actual posts, i aint logging in and requesting access to this shit

>>714476887 (OP)
Yes, but it clearly grew and became a monolith itseld.

>>714478339
Wow a private twitter account from 2015. This is going straight into my theory iceberg.

>>714477994
>"closeted homosexual"
>Has a wife and two kids

>>714477396
The crystal was already in the NEO machine. People need to read the text, man.

>>714478339

>we stalk people not related to game now

>>714478429
so does your dad and i still fucked him

I am Robert Foxworth

the (you)s have been extracted, time to leave

>>714477991
Don't bother, people are so caught up on le subverting expectations that they latched on DessKnight without a second thought as if they didn't learn when they thought Kris was the Knight and Snowgrave meant making Toriel boil Undyne alive, it's on the same level of crackpot theory, difference being this time people do it for the sake of fetishising the Knight
It will be extra funny if the Knight is either Rudy or Asriel, even better if Asriel just pretending to have gone off studying abroad when he could be living in the bunker the entire time whils researching how to bring Dess even if it means fucking up the entire world
Like he didn't already try to pull that off in Undertale

I drew

>>714478429
that was pretty common before obama got elected, yes

>>714477273

>>714477991
You must've denied Kris Knight before.

>>714478429
Do you just not understand what "closeted homosexual" means?

>>714478509
It doesn't make sense to me for Carol and Dess to team up. A strict mother and a rebellious daughter working together?

>>714478480
Make a Meira cameo you bitch

>>714478509
You get it anon. I swear this community has learnt nothing from it's previous "but the theory is sound" incidents.
I cannot wait until the full game is out so I can laugh at people who think "Gaster" is actually important to this game.

>>714478509
As if Asriel wasn't sexualized to hell and back in Undertale.

>>714478509
Kris Knight was literally right on everything.

>>714477991
>"Dess = Knight" is the biggest red herring in this entire game
First of all, it's not even that obvious to anyone who didn't spent last years theorycrafting in the community. Try to find me one streamer who screamed "Oh, it's Dess!" when they saw Knight. Second, why do you retards act like the whole point of the game is finding out Knight's identity? Oh yeah, we know who it is, mystery solved, time to go home, it's not like we have twenty new exciting questions raised by that reveal.

>>714478509
>le subverting expectations
Are you even hearing yourself? Do you not have a shred of self-awareness in your body? THE KNIGHT WAS LITERALLY INTRODUCED HOLDING A BAT, "le subverting expectations" would be making her ANYONE but Dess.

>>714478339
Dess wasn't even conceptualized back then

>>714478714
>THE KNIGHT WAS LITERALLY INTRODUCED HOLDING A BAT
Which turns into a katana. Get real dude.

>>714478641
Had me until the last sentence

>>714478797
Objects turning into weapons? In my Deltarune? Say it ain't so!

>>714478339
https://xcancel.com/Upwader/status/1941099313402384595

>>714478851
To be fair Gaster to me seems like a character Toby does not know how to introduce at all. I don't think he's going to appear in Deltarune in person, we'll only hear his dialogue until the end. We don't even know how he looks like to this day.

>>714478797
That's definitely not a katana.
Katana are supposed to be slim, Knight's weapon look more like a machete.

>>714478607
If he's secretly attracted to men why would he get with a woman and have sex (probably multiple times and not just for reproduction's sake) to the point of having two daughters?

>>714478851
I'm being serious. Not once is "Gaster" mentioned by name in Deltarune and the finger pointing at "His theme" as some sort of proof he's relevant is a load of tripe. People didn't point at megalovania and say "Sans is Vriska" now do they.

>>714478714
The irony of this post lmfao

>>714478910
One of the game's only flaws is that this image isn't real. I want to see the weapons change when I switch them and it wouldn't take much effort relatively.

>>714478983
Ask your dad.

>>714478983
To keep up appearances, to fulfill family expectations, etc.

>>714478994
>Sans is Vriska
Oh god, it all makes sense now

>>714478982
Why does Carol have a kitchen machete?

>>714478797
Obviously then Carol must be the knight because she uses katanas and was sinister with Kris and mean to Susie. Thats not a red herring at all, Dess is even if most casuals dont know December and Dess is one and the same oerson

>>714478994
>the finger pointing at "His theme" as some sort of proof he's relevant is a load of tripe
how is a song that is literally just a remix of his theme with the title of "ANOTHER HIM" a load of trite?

>>714478983
It's going to blow your mind when you find out it happened all the time in real life

>>714479087
There's a katana in her room.

Oh God Desstards are the same people that think there's homoerotic implication between Asgore and Rudy just because they were close friends, it explains so fucking much now

>>714478509
Guys, the Knight doesn't have antlers, it has horns! The extra bits are just a red herring. Asriel is the Knight, certainly.

>>714478994
>People didn't point at megalovania and say "Sans is Vriska" now do they
People don’t think sans is dr. anodonuts from halloween hack either, if we’re going by your retarded logic
Like seriously, if your point is that a motif usually associated with a character isn’t actually relevant, you’re a fucking moron

>>714479197
It's a helmet.

>>714479131
Because Toby is an unoriginal hack and enjoys reusing parts of his songs in other tracks under the guise of motifs. Did you even play the game?

>>714479197
Can't you see? It's just a silly Scooby-Doo costume, anyone could be wearing it! In fact, it's actually must be Asgore!

>>714476887 (OP)
Has anyone figured out why the titan initially looked like a giant human? I can't prove it but I'm sure that humans are related to the dark.

>>714479286

>>714479167
you're connecting imaginary lines anon

>>714479246
What if it's an acorn?

>>714479372
Once again
Ironic

>>714479246
Helmet with horns even. I've been telling you retards it's Joel Vinesauce since day 1, why do you think one of the first thing Knight does is kidnapping Undyne?

>rudy's pain originates from his chest
>the knight has a weird eyeball orb in its chest
>rudy's coughing could be transformed into the weird screaming that the knight does
>both like to laugh a lot and act bold and cocky
>both have a sideswept haircut
>"BREATH" sounds like someone struggling to breathe

>>714479436
>rudy's coughing could be transformed into the weird screaming that the knight does
Someone already found out it's Noelle's scream slowed down. Way to shoot yourself in the dick.

>>714479436
But it's Dess because... Um...

>>714479167
>I was his Santa, he was my Rudolph
Quite possibly the gayest thing I've ever read and I write homosexual sex with strangers

>>714479286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA0kR3SLJJc

>>714479498
>it's Noelle's scream slowed down
So the Knight is Noelle now?

>>714479498
So... Dess is the knight because it's Noelle's scream? Or are you saying Noelle is the knight?

>>714479282
I'd rather listen to one good song 100 times than listen to 100 shit songs once

What you have to do is think about why Carol or Dees is the Knight. If it's Dess, why is he doing all this?

>>714477906
Kris is something that doesn't exist? Deltarune was thought up around 2012 btw.

>>714479505
Because of the bat, you fucking retard. But you will dismiss everything that doesn't fits your retarded theory as "red herring".

>>714479569
>>714479579
Or maybe because it's her FEMALE SISTER?

>>714479569
>So the Knight is Noelle now
honestly why the fuck not?
noelle is strong as fuck and the knight might be her untapped form

I'd prefer the homestuck posts over this shit flinging

>>714479569
>>714479579
i mean, have you ever seen the two of them in the same room together?

>>714479669
I'd take shipfagging over these retards, to be honest.

>>714479669
There's not much to talk about anymore. It's either theories, shipping, or porn.

>>714478994
It's his Deltarune. This is Gaster's game.

>>714479765
>There's not much to talk about anymore except all the things you could talk about in a story-heavy game

>>714479669
Threads are slowing down, anon, it was a matter of time before only the retards were left.

>>714479579
It is solved. We should just call her "Knightelle" from now on.

There is more than 1 knight

>>714478325
Toriel says Asgore will try to kill you and take your soul, and indeed he does.
Flowey disappears until the end of the game, that's not a red herring, it's the opposite, he was flagged near the start of the game. Hell, he literally says "I am the prince of this world". He told you the truth.

>"One day, your mom's gonna get sick of you, you little freak. And as soon as that happens..."
>"Someone might make you disappear. And she'll finally realize how happy she was without you."

Moving away from this shit flinging.
What exactly is the shadow mantle? Does it have a light world counterpart?

>>714479739
honestly? I would too

i can't wait for gaster to finally be revealed and for him to look absolutely nothing like mysteryman. watch him look exactly like FRIEND.

>>714479960
>What exactly is the shadow mantle?
a brat

>Rudy is the Knight
oh man i sure believe that kris is having these secret intimate moments with the dad of the girl they grew up with. that's definitely plausible. kris is definitely more likely to be in an emotionally charged relationship with a married man twice their age rather than the hot punk girl a few years older than them, yeppers.

Jesus christ, unironic Rudyknight believers are fucking stupid. Like, seriously, the retard sperging out screaming RED HERRING RED HERRING has to be one of the dumbest motherfuckers I've seen on this board, and I was around when Quentin was still posting.

>>714479876
Speaking of that
>Kris makes the same pose during his ACTs as the Knight
>chapter 3 shown that he was looking up to Dess when he was a kid
>"N-no, but you see, it must be Rudy"

>>714478509
>they didn't learn when they thought Kris was the Knight
are you retards somehow pretending that "kris = knight" wasnt correct

the meaning of "kris=knight" back then
>kris opens fountains to dark worlds and fucks shit up
>kris has the goal of (whatever goal the knight has)
the meaning of "kris=knight" now
>kris opens fountains to dark worlds and fucks shit up
>is an ally of the roaring knight

>>714480032
come to think of it, whos hand is this here?

No one in this thread understands what a red herring is because everyone here has obsessively analyzed the entirety of the game for years.
Dess is not a red herring because the average player will barely even remember she exists, they are not smart. Carol shows up after the cryptic phone call, she's spooky, obsessed with the guitar, and has horns. She is the red herring.

>>714480052
>dess couldnt have possibly learned a gesture from his dad

>>714480068
Can't be anyone but the Knight.

>>714479637
Swing and a miss(hehe get it) since it's a red herring
The Knight can be anyone with prior knowledge of Dark Worlds and Asriel also fits

>>714480107
No, Dess learned the pose from Alvin because he was her teacher. ALVINKNIGHT IS BACK ON THE MENU PEOPLE!

>>714478994
>wingdings in the deltarune site
>his theme is everywhere
>crashes your game if you type that as your name
>note 17 reference
>bunker is room id 17 and plays the gaster laugh slowed down
>garbage noise influenced schizobosses
anti-gasterfags are literally delusional i swear

it doesnt matter if it ends up being a troll/shitpost, but the character is real at present moment pretty mubh objectively speaking

>>714479954
Poor Kris

>>714480032
>that scene
Don't Forget™ that there's an unused bit of code to make a guitar strum play there

>>714480238
Yeah, but Dess could've learned to play the guitar from her dad.

fiy ironic passive aggressive shitposting doesn't disprove anything, don't act like a manchild

>>714479505
>>714479637
hey fags just saying
"black knife" and "lost girl" even have the same number on the soundtrack. you literally could not be more on-the-nose if you tried

>>714480296
what site are you on?

>>714480068
>>714480119
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfOlGbiHxo0

>>714480074
Carol really is a great red herring, her being evil is the obvious kneejerk response, but if you actually think about it a little the circumstances don't make sense - she can't have made it to the church before Kris and Susie, and she shows up at the same time on both routes, even though Kris doesn't make the call on the Weird route.

>>714480238
Oh no that's CLEARLY a red herring, just like all the other pieces of evidence that contradict Rudyknight.

>>714480296
But how do we know it's not Rudy doing all the passive-aggressive shitposting because he's the Knight?

>>714480364
holy shit halfbread's still alive? i guess i didn't notice since he made this a short

>>714480384
>even though Kris doesn't make the call on the Weird route.
isnt it implied that a lot more time passed in the weird route? shit took longer for sure

I am the knight

>>714479993
Gaster already has official art though

>>714480296
How are Dessknightfags this insecure whenever there's signs pointing that there's other candidates and theirs sound more like a red herring? It's almost like they don't even believe their theory themselves...

>>714480473
which is

>>714480473
If you mean the tarot card, it was explicitly changed when it was made official.

I am the Knight.

>>714480296
Go back to tumblr you stupid freak, you're just mad people are over the theythem mandated identity bullshit after a few years of you leftist scumbags shouting about it.

>>714480495
Fuck off already, christ.

>>714480451
If anything she's there earlier on the Weird Route, you go guitar > doe rape > getting beaten up in a bathroom, compared to normal which is guitar > AMOGUS > basement angel > kris hitting you with a hockey stick > couch.

Arguments for DessKnight
>raises up her bat
>deep connection with Kris (to the point he copies her poses)
>hand pushing Kris away (with unused guitar sound)

Arguments for RudyKnight
>Dess is too obvious
>anything I don't like is red herring
>I just want Rudy to be the Knight, okay?

>>714480583
also ironic considering this faggot behavior is expected out of tumblr with their trannies, unless you're that in touch with your "feminine" side

>I just want Rudy to be the Knight, okay?

>>714480628
To be fair, you never know how much time passes between or even during scenes in Deltarune. It looked like Susie immediately fell asleep in chapter 2 ending, but apparently the monster movie marathon did happen.

>>714480660
>>I just want Rudy to be the Knight, okay?
yep thats me

>>714480660
Dess makes no sense from a storytelling standpoint. She's barely in the game so revealing her to be the knight would mean absolutely nothing to anybody who's not a theoryschizo. It would be bad writing. Rudyknight makes more sense as a traditional plot twist.

>>714480957
>Dess can't be the knight because it's too obvious
>Dess can't be the knight because no one knows who it is

The Knight isn't anybody, it's just The Knight. It exists because it has to exist.

>>714480364
>>714480032
So why was it not straight up stated that it's the Knight's hand? Why would it be Dess's hand if her dark world form is the Knight? I think it's meant to be gaster.

>>714480660
Oh, oh, I can do the "I'm silly!" routine too

Arguments for anyone else being the Knight
>obvious red herring
>family and friends wouldn't sit idly over the loss of their beloved(see: Kris and Asgore)
>Asriel and Rudy has a lot of stuff hidden about their pasts, Kris vehemently trying to hide as much as possible about Asriel when (You) are involved
>Asriel knows about Seam and would have knowledge prior about Dark Worlds, including their workings

Argument for DessKnight
>uhh bat = knight, the song said so!
>makes my peanus weanus REALLY BIG!
>dude guitar sound that doesn't sound like one but has the name in it! IT'S NESS AFTER NOT SURVIVING, I MEAN DESS

>>714481043
i didnt say the first sentence

>>714479960
A piece of cloth. Eram is just computer Seam.

>>714479960
Whatver it is, it's been in the game since chapter 1

>>714480957
>Asriel makes no sense from a storytelling standpoint. He's barely in the game so revealing him to be Flowey would mean absolutely nothing to anybody who's not a theoryschizo. It would be bad writing.

>>714479993
Contrarian bullshit. Mystery Man Gaster is based.

>>714480957
You literally spent several minutes fighting with Kris over her guitar, inside her closet.

>>714481052
Only correct take in this entire thread.
At most The Knight is just a darkworld manifestation of the lightners thoughts.

>>714481292
We know who Asriel is from undertale, which Deltarune specifically states you should play beforehand. Dess is new. However yes I don't think Asriel is the knight, he is definitely important to the story thougjhbeit

>>714481302
>inside her closet
...Were Kris and Dess gay?

WWE Cage Match between Kris from Deltarune and Sunny from Omori, who wins

I've casually played the games and I don't even know who dess is really besides knowing its short for december and its noelles sister, but I only really know that from threads. When "december" appeared in Chapter 2 with the letters I had no idea what the fuck that meant. That other anon is right, Dess being the Knight would be pretty fucking lame. The knight is just some random character we never see or interact with ever?

>>714481401
anon you are literally illiterate
please reread my post carefully and try to find the word "Knight"

>>714481423
I uninstalled Omori since it was shit but Kris would rape that little pussy nigger. It wouldn't even be a fight, more like a porno

>>714481416
I don't think that's the right word for it

>>714481430
Did you know who Asriel was by the time you were at Hotland?

>>714481496
Now replace her with Asriel

>>714481457
sorry i just asumed it was a classic case of copypasting

>>714476887 (OP)
since he had to break down and hire a bigger team to do it for him, was it really a successful test?

>>714481052

>>714481546
okay so do you get the point of my post yet or what

>>714481545
There will be no replacing. Kris deserves an older sister.

Dess is obviously the Knight, and this entire discussion is just contrarian bullshit from midtwits.

>>714481430
And the unused room in Noelle's house didn't provoke any kind of thinking from you, huh?

>>714481430
She is extremely important to Noelle and Kris, that's what matters.

>>714481127
>Dess after not surviving
fucking kek

>>714481627
big if true

>>714481706
Dess is dead, thats why she can't be the Knight

>>714481759
>Dess is dead
That's why there's no gravestone for her? That's why Noelle was looking for her constantly? That's why we need to FIND HER?

>>714481759
Because we all know there's no way to bring dead monsters back to life as horrific abominations, right?

We know her name, we know of her existence, we have some inkling of her personality, her relationships, her tastes, and we know something happened to her. This is tons more information than we had on Asriel in Undertale before the two big info dumps literally right before meeting him.

>>714481423
Alex Yiik enders the ring and annihilates them both.

>>714481909
Gaster is a red herring and has nothing to do with the story

>le meta guy who knows about other universes and we are just like in a game bro!
lame and gay but schizotheorytards and the ecelebs they worship will eat it up

Thoughts about this part of the prophecy?

>>714481423
Kris is a fucking freak of nature, they'd obliterate that kid. Did you see how hard they threw that bottle at you?

>autosage
can’t tell if I feel glad or not considering how shit this thread has been

>>714482058
I prefer this part.

>>714481423
kris beats sunny
omori beats dark world kris
(We) beat omori

>>714482124
For the best. This thread wasn't going anywhere.

>>714482026
You're actually retarded.

>>714481896
because the body was never found

>>714482124
Kinda lame but the contrarians were pissing me off, so no loss here.

>>714482259
>theoryfag mad someone doesn't "respect" his "in depth research"
typical, go watch another youtube video

>>714482418
What the fuck do Alphys's horrific Determination experiments have to do with Gaster, aside from both of them being the royal scientist?

>>714478532
Good job, draw more I like your style

>>714482476
Wasn't the machine Alphys used made by the previous royal scientist? i.e. Gaster?

>thread is 100% theory discussion
>zero shipfaggotry
>it's shit
Well, well, well, how curious, very curious indeed.

>>714478532
hi drew, I anon

>>714482310
>>714482418
>in-depth theories
>lowest hanging fruit imaginable
do dessknightfags really

>>714476887 (OP)
I don't think so. It's an excellent game. The reason that it has such a high profile is because of it's high level of quality. If you don't like it, then that's fine, but let's not pretend that that's the game's general perception.

>>714482476
Gaster built the determination machines that made the amalgams possible.

Incidentally, the Determination machine looks like a deer skull.

>>714482615
>>zero shipfaggotry
i caneth fix that

>>714482663
>in-depth theories
Oh yes, because those sure worked last time, right?

>>714482713
>the Determination machine looks like a deer skull.
Is... Flowey the Knight?

>>714482536
>>714482713
We do not know where the DT extraction machine game from, only that Alphys has it. Either way, shoving Determination into a monster makes an Amalgamate, and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXdL1scETU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfC98GBdBME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOiU_ltuTeQ
Amalgamates, the Knight and IMG_FRIEND all make the same noises.

>>714482786
>KrisKnight
>Mike
>Toriel kills Undyne
Hehe yeah
:^)

>>714482663
Carol Knight is the lowest hanging fruit.

>>714482964
>KrisKnight
Got everything right.
>Mike
Is FRIEND.
>Toriel kills Undyne
Was always bullshit.

>>714482964
To be fair, KrisKnight was from a low-hanging fruit category and it sorta worked.

Reminder the core is powered by darkness energy

>>714477994
>tomgirl
uh
bro
wrong word

Have we ever seen the sky in Deltarune?

>>714483235
No-no-no, let him speak.

I'm definitely using Dess after not surviving when this shit blows over myself.

>>714478325
>toriel tells you asgore is an asshole who is going to kill you
And Toriel hates Asgore, that doesn't mean it's a red herring. He does try to kill you even though he doesn't want to.
>the final boss of neutral and true pacifist is the flower you met at the start of the game and don't see until after you've killed asgore
Not a red herring.

>>714482986
hmm ackshually we see the bat first so it's definitely dess

It's always sad to see active threads on page 10 long before bump limit.

>>714482958
>shoving Determination into a monster makes an Amalgamate
Only when you put it into dead monsters and there's several of them around to melt into each other. By itself it doesn't do anything.

>>714483545
remove the bulge and she's perfect

>>714483348
why wait? it's hilarious and fits

>>714483505
Nuh-uh, no one knows who Dess is or how is she connected to bats.
>>714480957
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>>714483547
Yes. And if we go back to the start of this chain >>714481759 you'll see that the original point is
>Dess is dead, thats why she can't be the Knight
and the existence of amalgamates means that she could still be the Knight even if she's dead.