Are there any good MMOs out at the moment? I'm bored of 14 and can't get into wow

>>714543423 (OP)
WoW and OSRS are the only good ones left.
WoW if you want difficult poop sock raid/dungeon content, OSRS if you want a mix of afk/focused content with cool quests.
Puzzle Pirates would also be good if it wasn't run by retards and was updated to fix the 2 problems the game has.
I will not respond to FF14/Dofus retards and their shitty bait

>>714543423 (OP)
unfortunately I think FF14 is your best bet for now, its probably the best one out there. maybe maplestory classic which is coming soon if you have the nostalgia for it.

>>714543423 (OP)
Unironically no. The genre is in an abysmal state right now and there's not a lot on the horizon.

>>714543423 (OP)
FFXI is good.
Return home to Vana'diel, white man.

>>714543423 (OP)
unironically i quit ffxiv and now i play idleon
but i love idle games so i might be biased

Albion Online just got a big update.

>>714543423 (OP)
>Only other serious suggestions were FFXI, or fucking maplestory

how in the fuck does he keep getting away with it?

>>714544470
The walls are closing in unless he can get his head out of his ass. It might already be too late since DT/FFXVI's terrible reception cost him authority so now there's even less chance that FFXIV will be allowed to have money

>>714543423 (OP)
Your best hope is Star Resonance which supposedly gets a global beta by the end of this month.

>>714543423 (OP)
The genre is dead. Unless you like korean shit.

I'm pretty sure the MMO world has stopped growing
if you want to play a game that isn't dead (yet), you have basically had the same options you have always had in the last 10 years or so

>>714543423 (OP)
Good mmos don't exist. Kinda like gacha games, they're a slop genre that only attract terminally online losers with nothing else going on for them.

>>714543423 (OP)
I want to forcibly 'correct' Simulant Sphene.

>>714543773
FF14 is the best dress-up MMO.
I played it for a few years. The gameplay sucks.

>>714546695
>FFXIV is the best MMO

ftfy

>>714543423 (OP)
>Are there any good MMOs
no

>>714543423 (OP)
post more sex
i mean sphene

>>714544693
he already knows it, that's why the current cope is "muh 8.0"
all of 7.x is already finalized

It all feels very grim, I miss azeroth but I know it's not the same

>>714546809
>FFXI is the best MMO
ftfnt (fixed that for non-trannies)

>>714546886

>>714543423 (OP)
>>714546657
>>714546979
What a waste that she's in the worst expansion with the worst MSQ ever.

>>714544470
Tonight's Anime event was an event in inflating YoshiP's ego. Who the fuck genuinely cares about what his influences are?
Make game good and I will pay to play, make game bad and I will quit and bitch until game improves.
The bitching will continue until moral improves.

>so anyways, FF14 bad and fuck yoshiP amirite?
>I am subtle

>>714547123
this but unironically

>>714547123
I said THE BITCHING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORAL IMPROVES

>>714544693
>something that happened a year ago and made a lot of money cost him authority
>look inside
>yoshida is still on board of executives but under a different title that many other executives also still in their roles also were given
the game's hecklers on this board just believe whatever they want to believe huh

>>714543423 (OP)
MMO genre has gone from stagnation to being on the decline for years. ffxiv stays afloat by cycling tourists and newblood. dedicated daily longterm players have been swooped up by gacha games (thank you for the free (You)s seething at this truth)

>>714547214
The word is "morale" you literal mouth-breathing fuckstick.

>>714547123
>everyone is le SAME schizo boogeyman, the game's subscriber base tanking is TOTALLY a COINCIDENCE ONLY!
>I am NOT a TRANNY

>>714543423 (OP)
Wizard101

>>714547281
Damn I guess I'm wrong then. Hope he uses his authority that he absolutely has to do something then

I was excited for DT until I started playing it. That was a year ago. I'm still upset and I'll probably still be upset next year too

>>714547425
>I was excited for DT until I started playing it. That was a year ago. I'm still upset and I'll probably still be upset next year too
Nope. Debunked, you're barry, the game is doing great, also say something good about it and prove you play it or you're not allowed to talk about srry.

>>714547048
they're hard correcting so much that we'll get a sex scene with her

>>714547529
settle down.

>>714547529
>prove you play it

>>714543423 (OP)
I liked ESO, not as a MMO but just do story quests in privinces of Tmariel you don't see in-game. The only MMO aspect I enjoyed about it was the PvP and how you could actually 1vX. The actual PvE content, dungeons, raids, gearing, economy, farming, etc. Was all really bad compared to Runescape or Themepark MMOs.

I got banned becuase of automated reports and haven't played since.

>>714543423 (OP)
OSRS, WoW, ESO, GW2, Albion
They're all better than FF14, which is bottom of the barrel dogshit that nobody plays anymore

>>714547529
>prove you play it

>>714547341
MORAL WILL IMPROVE WHEN MY BITCHING STOPS

>>714547538
I do kinda love that we're just phasing Wuk out and getting n+1 Sphenes every patch

>>714548209
Nothing short of canonically killing wuk trannymat on screen will get me to sub again.

>>714547908
FFXIV poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses!

>>714548334
IT DID?!

>>714548298
don't think it'll miss you that much if something that dumb is your breaking point

>>714543423 (OP)
>the best MMORPG of 2025 is French

How did they do it?

>>714548492
No, but are we just gonna sit around and NOT schizo post about it until it does!?

>>714548626
ahhh...the french, mmo..celebrated for it's excellence

>>714548626
I wish I could like Wak-fus but it's just too grindy and I don't care enough to stick with it

>>714548798
it's not Wak-fus it's Do-fus

>>714544693
>Game is losing players because it is understaffed
>I know! Let's take even more money away from it!
Nice logic

>>714543423 (OP)
dragon quest x is fun

>>714548828
I was trying to do a Wakfu/Dofus portmanteau and failed, apparently

>>714548837
The fact it's keeping the lights on at SE and they refuse to support it properly it just mind-numbing

Must be more of that retarded gaming CEO "They'll just buy it so who cares?" mentality

>>714548837
NEET-kun, that's not how large businesses work... the game gets funding pulled because they know putting more money into it won't get them more players/money. It's called a product lifecycle and XIV is reaching the sunset stage.

>>714543423 (OP)
agp

Chance of this being good? Will it be P2W gookslop? chrono odyssey looks DOA.

>>714549046
it will be shit

>>714549046
Isn't this like, the 40th time they've released this game? I'm guessing it'll be just as trash.

>>714548943
Except in this case, they know that putting more money into it will get players to come back

>>714548943
They promised ten more years, their players will crucify them if that promise is broken. You can't Destiny 2 this, and they would've had to fuck up out of the gate like Halo Infinite to compromise the plans and fold out.

>>714548943
>game is reaching the sunset stage
>the voices in my walls told me so

>>714549046
>Archeage but again

>>714549205
fourth year in a row of "it's over any day now"

>>714549205
>No, SE aren't adult businessmen, they're all overly attached manchildren who are obsessed with my favorite MMO so they'll NEVER take funding away from it
cringe ass retard

>>714549273
uh oh, melty

>>714549323
If you would consult the lucky bancho chart tranny kun....

>>714549205
We've had it confirmed that it's reached sunset stage.

I didnt like the 7.0 story and quit before finishing it.
I'll wait for 7.55 and resub like a month before 8.0 launch. I still have hopium that it was just an unlucky clusterfuck that birthed DT and that 8.0 will be good

>>714549373
hmm

>>714543423 (OP)
They should just say DT was non-canon and you can skip right over it from EW to whatever 8.0 is, but you can absolutely do DT to unlock the other stuff associated with it like the raids and OC.

This would, however, take fucking brass balls that they do not have.

>>714549190
They're off to a wonderful start

I don't know what's funnier. The absolute damp squid of a start, or the public admission that they have no real plan and are just going to go off of what the playerbase latches onto.

FUCKING-

YOU HAVE WRITERS WHO GET PAID FOR THIS WHY IS THERE NO ACTUAL PLAN I'M SO FUCKING MAD THIS IS LIKE FUCKING DISNEY WARS BUT I ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE BEING RETARDED AND LAZY ABOUT

WE SPENT SO MUCH TIME WITH WUK LAMAT AND YOU'RE JUST GOING TO BIN HER BECAUSE OF HOW FUCKING AWFUL SHE WAS SO A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF DAWNTRAIL RESULTED IN LITERALLY NOTHING. YOU HAD NO PLAN AND YOU SPENT ALL YOUR TIME ON HIROI'S FUCKING WAIFU RATHER THAN DOING SOMETHING MORE SUBDUED AND GROUNDED THAT WOULD PROVIDE MORE WRITING OPPORTUNITIES

Ok, what about this?

>>714549469
As long as Daichi Hiroi's name is attached as main writer, I don't trust shit. I can tolerate the gameplay because I don't do healing or hardcore shit, but the story shitting the bed was my get-out card since last August.

>>714543423 (OP)
Its a dead genre

>>714549515
settle down.

>>714549642
Ok

been playing tera pserver it's pretty comfy

>>714549515
>>YOU HAVE WRITERS WHO GET PAID FOR THIS WHY IS THERE NO ACTUAL PLAN I'M SO FUCKING MAD THIS IS LIKE FUCKING DISNEY WARS BUT I ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE BEING RETARDED AND LAZY ABOUT
They got three writers. Two of which were tossing things and side content about, and the main one was a theater kid of a failed theater that wrote a couple decent things and otherwise was mostly absolute garbage in the game prior >>714549549
Ishikawa, the woman a lot of fans usher as their goddess for her solid but contrived writing since HW? She got booted up to senior story advisor, so she basically just makes pointers because Japanese work culture is fucking retarded, where promotions are seen as the best thing ever even when they take you away from the position you work best in.

>>714549515
It's fucking funny. It's like the stupid kid called to the front of the class to solve a problem on the blackboard and then turning around hoping the class will help him out. They have NO idea what to do.

>>714549515
The worst thing is that DT completely failed to create any mysteries to build upon.
Im willing to bet that next expac will have us go to void so we can play with writers second favourite character.

>so yeah anyway dawntrail doomposting dawntrail rent free in my head

Hey, wasn't this supposed to be an MMO recommendation thread?

>>714549904
If that's what OP wanted then he made a mistake by using a XIV picture.

>>714549904
FF14 fans are upset because their game took a massive dive in quality.
It's like jumping from wotlk straight to shadowlands in wow.

>>714549046
>>714549101
>>714549135
>>714549217
>archeage but actually this time it's slow paced action combat target boss slop just like chrono odyssey
>also we're all going to use the same exact weapon swapping combat system where you press 1234 sometimes and lmb + roll a lot
Exactly what happened? Even continent of the ninth seal mogs the way these new games actually feel to play.

>>714549825
They gave us the cum chalice and that was it. A McMuffin to go to the rest of the reflections.

Tural feels smaller than Eorzea and I doubt we'll ever go back. What would we even go back to? The plot necessitates that we visit every single land and people of the continent otherwise the whole Dawnservant being the singular entity that holds it all together thing doesn't make any sense. Everyone bows to a singular authority and the only current discord comes from 9S being a bad boy but he's basically an outsider. They had a single legend and we solved it.

>>714549904
Yes, your first MMO dying is a painful process champ, most of us have been there with XI, you don't have to displace your anger.

>>714550117
It's kind of funny how little confidence they clearly had in this. If the patches are preplanned, then this wasn't from fan reaction, either. Tural's plot basically ends up an arbitrary second fiddle (OH NO MY NOT-BUFFALO) to Solution Nine drama, and they straight up introduced the dimensional key from the very end of 7.0 just in case shit didn't pan out. Some part of me thinks they knew people may not receive it well, they just weren't expecting the backlash over the plot being hijacked by a character nobody fucking likes.

>>714550330
>admits to projecting

>>714550330

You aren't doing a very good job at hiding being some FF14 shitposter with an axe to grind, friend

>>714550117
>Azems chalice that was never mentioned before
Damn, a ultrapowerful artifact like that surely would've been something that Emet would've wanted.

>>714549515
They had the choice of trying to make busted ass 2008-2010 dev code designed with Xbox 360s and PS3s in mind for 1.0 that they chopped up then reworked into 2.0, and ending that shit where god fucking deigned it at 6.5 and count their lucky bloody damn stars they were able to perform such an unlikely swan song story in the first place gaining tons of good rep.

Then they make fucking XIV-2 so they no longer have worst in genre netcode, system code, and security code at a bare god damn minimum. Everything from the story, characters, all the way to the GRAPHIX of DT would have served better in a hard refresh.
I don't know why but they can send me 10k in consultation fees to tell them that 11+ year old fucking games just like NEARLY EVERYTHING ELSE could do with an upgrade or refresh to it. Absolutely crazy fucking thought there.

Instead they choose another decade of XIV, something that's obviously retarded because the game is both busted and buckbroken by it's playerbase. I want you to imagine, think about it, consider this ominous possibility, that you'll be queuing up for FRONTLINE ROULETTE in 2030.

>>714550423
No projecting there, your response is a non-sequitur.

>>714543423 (OP)
All of the best MMOs are MMOs that propped up during the Golden Era and they are all emulated.

>>714550481
He knew about it since he mentioned the South Seas Isles and the Golden City together.

>>714549721
What is this kind of loincloth called

>>714550628
>>714545035
it wasn't funny there either

>>714543423 (OP)
I'd just take a break, other MMOs besides FFXIV aren't really worth the time of day at this point. Maybe ESO, I have a friend that plays it but to me it looks more "skyrim" than MMO.

>>714550481
>>714550641
>Warrior of Light, have you ever visited the golden cities of the New World? Or the religious sites of the South Seas Isles? You see my good friend Azem left behind an interdimensional transport device for the Lalafells of Aloalo. They used it to escape the Fifth Umbral Era to the Twelfth reflection which had already been rejoined thousands of years before, where they quickly invented Disney World. Remembird Cleyra? Remembird the Iifa Tree? They've got it all there. Anyway as it turns out my good friend Azem's interdimensional transport crystal can not only be used to travel between worlds without killing yourself, but can also be used to initiate rejoinings without centuries of meticulous planning or mass death. All of this could have solved every major problem we Ascians had, but it slipped my mind, sadly. Azem was a good friend. Remembird us. Remembird FFIX.

>>714550685
FFXIV is shit, Rajesh

>>714550536
Want another ff MMO?
Here's a Chinese mobile ff14 with all of those features you asked :)
fucking asddasdsadaasa

>>714547048
She'll be a scion and we'll get sphene content for the next 10 years, well, 9 now.

>>714550536
>consider this ominous possibility, that you'll be queuing up for FRONTLINE ROULETTE in 2030.

>>714550415
Oh man I didn't even consider that. The key was partially introduced as a get out of jail free card if the plot faceplanted so badly they had to abandon it and focus on something else. Of course they didn't have any time to build any sort of mystery about anything else because Wuk Lamat was too complex a character to not spend the entire expansion..."developing"

>>714550481
Well the Ascians could move between reflections at will anyway so would they give a shit about it?

>>714550728
>>714550628

are we dropping the pretense of the thread topic, dumpy?

>>714543423 (OP)

>>714550743
>yfw you realize they could have made an XIV-2 mobile alongside the PC client so they'd have parity between each other
>now XIV mobile will be the better iteration of XIV

CAN'T TAKE THIS SHIT ANYMORE!

>>714550641
Ascians would've reclaimed that artifact a long ago for their own use.
Emet even made Azems crystal in secret just because they were bffs. Doesn't make sense that he didn't reclaim his friends portapotty as well

>>714543423 (OP)
Unfortunately, FFXIV & WoW are the only two good MMORPGs with the most players. Can't find any other good MMORPG that can surpass both of them.

>>714550456
I wish the anti-FFXIV shitposters would go away and let us have a normal FFXIV thread like we used to.

>>714550879
wait a second... that image...

https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/bbE3dGoEs7bAqG635KCT7w==

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>>714550893
That's Hiroi, baby.

>>714550902
I don't remember this part

I tapped out and started reading spoilers and bitching online when Koana gave up on being Dawnservant because he recognized he had a blindspot and rather than recognizing and working on it he gave up instantly so he could help a retard could assume power instead.

>>714550983
Yeah. He found us.

uh oh google doccy melty

>>714550893
Hiroi has a very bad habit of disregarding past lore to create new if someone else wrote shit. The Void arc basically ignored the Warring Triad and Shadowkeeper stuff near-entirely to rewrite most of the void to be an FF4 homage, only making a surface level reference to the Cloud of Darkness and having Cylla go "oh yeah I was a memoriate too y'know". You can tell someone else had to tack on that post-MSQ scene if you go to her again.

>>714551045
>I don't remember this part
It's when Zoraal killed Gulool after his regulator revived him and got the surprise, and Alisaie goes "NO WE SHOULD NOT FIGHT HIM" after his war declaration so he can just walk away from murdering his father.

>>714550973
>"I wish the anti-FFXIV shitposters would go away and let us have a normal FFXIV thread like we used to."
Meanwhile, the OP:
>Are there any good MMOs out at the moment? I'm bored of 14
What HRT does to a tranny....

>>714551045
he didn't just have a blind spot, he was an awful fit for the throne in general, being stubborn, sharlayan-philiac and martially incompetent, wuk lamat is a bad fit too (it was the whole point of the contest that everyone was a bad fit and gulool ja ja knew that ahead of time) but the martial incompetence she largely solved by learning to limit break not that she's unique to this either, bakool ja ja and a wide variety of monsters and animals also limit break throughout dawntrail and her verbal diarrhea people-pleaser nature means she doesn't have koana's diplomatic retardation or stubbornness problems, so turning koana into a full blood ruler is trying to turn shit into chocolate in this case

>>714550983
>>714551079
VIDEO GAMES? I love VIDEO GAMES!
Especially Final Fantasy XIV, one of my favorite VIDEO GAMES!

What did you guys do in Final Fantasy today?

>>714549904
>MMOs
>Recommendation
Surely you jest

>>714550902
>STOP INVINCIBLE WOL, THIS DUEL OF HONOR THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CONCLUDED CANNOT BE INTERFERED IN... YOU MUST... LET HIM CHEAT AND BACKSTAB THE WINNER BECAUSE... HONOR!!!!!!
eughhhhhh

>>714551262
Wuk already knew how to limit break. She does it in 6.5.
>her verbal diarrhea people-pleaser nature means she doesn't have diplomatic retardation
Oh, you're just retarded. Carry on.

>>714551204
I legitimately forgot she does that. I thought everyone just like...glared at him as he walked away.

>>714551248
Nah there's some dude that's like, schizo talking about FFXIV when the thread was about recommendations. It's like he can't take people saying its good and is lashing out, calling people pajeets and shit.

>>714551262
Koana understood he had shortcomings

Wuk is an idiot who would get taken for a ride the instant anyone with a shred of guile was seated across the table from her. Luckily she never experiences this and never will.

>>714550892
Im still suffering from 7.0 msq whiplash, these new developments are not helping

>>714551376
i don't think you're the guy i was talking to, in which case mind your own business and don't insert yourself into a conversation to tell me NUH UH UR RETARTED
>>714551465
koana understood he had shortcomings which is why he dropped out yeah, he also understood he wasn't going to unlearn an entire adolescence or adulthood in sharlayan koolaid drinking in a week and that he was too inflexible for the throne's requirements

again all of them are bad choices and the point of the contest to see was not only who would grow as a person but who would be the least bad choice

>>714551465
>Luckily she never experiences this and never will.
She literally got kidnapped because she trusted some random dude and went with him alone. Koana outright goes "They must've unfairly ambushed her," when you kick the shit out of the bandits that did it like taking out the trash to the can.

>>714551306
this thread is about MMO recommendatio- wait

>>714503659

Oh, its you again.

>the handful of tranny zoomers whose first MMO is xiv that come into every xiv related thread to ineffectually defend its honor and say what a good game it is
This will be a full time job for all two of you.

>>714550003
go back

>>714551605
>i don't think you're the guy i was talking to
Luckily I don't need your permission to reply and call you a retard on this website.
>koana understood he had shortcomings which is why he dropped out yeah, he also understood he wasn't going to unlearn an entire adolescence or adulthood in sharlayan koolaid drinking in a week and that he was too inflexible for the throne's requirements
He dropped out immediately after his experience in Sharlayan helped him solve a centuries-old problem.

>>714551605
...and yet Koana ends up being the sole ruler anyway since Wuk spent all of 1 day "governing" before immediately leaving town and jumping back into the MSQ, while Koana has been the leader ever since.

>>714551204
>having Cylla go "oh yeah I was a memoriate too y'know"
What the fuck

Which mmo has the best healing?

>>714551627
it's correctly sussed out that the entire kidnapping is a condemnation of naivety and stupidity on wuk's part but because the narrative is that wuk lamat is a mary sue it must also be spun into wuk lamat not facing any consequences, because, fuck, i dunno, they didn't steal her liver or something

>>714551605
>>714551262
>koana would be an awful diplomat because he's stubborn, unlike wuk who would be a great diplomat because she says yes to everything
You can't make this shit up.

>>714550685
I wish you faggots would stop suggesting ESO, it's a complete time wasting money sink grind, and the pvp is nonexistent until max level

>>714551605
>again all of them are bad choices and the point of the contest to see was not only who would grow as a person but who would be the least bad choice
Except this is wrong because Galool Jaja specifically tells you that if everyone is shit then nobody wins which is a hilarious writing decision because it defangs a lot of the tension from the situation.

>>714551627
I was more speaking in her possible role as Dawnservant not as some goober jumping through hoops.

>>714551704
It's the perfect arrangement. Wuk goes around using her magical empathy powers to make everyone feel better and Koana does actual work

>>714550879
that's a doccy

https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/image/bbE3dGoEs7bAqG635KCT7w==

dude is schizoposting about FFXIV, trying his bad faith arguments, "what did you do in FFXIV" etc. expect a dump soon.

As for the OP:

I'm an OSRS fag, I wouldn't recommend it but it's a good time waster if you are nostalgic for it.

>>714551818
ESO's combat is also worse than both WoW and XIV.

>>714548916
You shoul'dve of said "Wak/dof", you woofus.

>>714551862
>>714551818
How's GW2?

>>714551862
yeah thank you I forgot to mention how shit the combat is in ESO, it's just a bad game all around

>>714551858
What did you do in Final Fantasy today? Maybe a few dailies?

>>714551704
>...and yet Koana ends up being the sole ruler anyway
no, this doesn't happen
>>714551701
>>714551810
you're so thirsty for my fucking cum dude. what gives, dumpy
>>714551841
>Except this is wrong because Galool Jaja specifically tells you that if everyone is shit then nobody wins
why is it not both? both these things are true, the contest was to grow his children and diversity-hire bakool ja ja as people and if none of them rose up then he'd call it off and kick the shit out of them if they objected. there wasn't just one reason for the contest

>>714551875
MERDE

Im artbook trancing

if pic related doesn't save us then I don't think any MMO will

>>714551921
>you're so thirsty for my fucking cum dude. what gives, dumpy
Why couldn't you actually respond to the contents of either of those posts, bud? Hey, have you found out for me yet if the Pelu Pelu are mentioned in EE1?

>>714551913
stay on topic retard, recommend an MMO.

>>714551958
the artbook, too, is a folder

>>714551862
ESO combat is truly something else. There's literally two builds in the whole game thanks to how important auto attack animation cancelling is. The game can never be good, it's just that bad.

>>714551985
This game is going to look and play exactly like bless unleashed, chrono odyssey and bellatores

>>714552002
If OP doesn't like FFXIV then I'd recommend FFXI, another one of my favorite VIDEO GAMES!

>>714549147
This is what happened with DT, look at them shiny new graffixx. Unlimited money don't mean shit if they can't manage it.

Not saying I disagree with you. Their higher ups should give them more budget, yes, but they also have to be smart allocating it.

>>714551903
I was never into guild wars, probably because in the first one they didn't give your character the ability to jump (a staple of the genre by the time it was released), so I didn't trust them to make the second one any better than WoW

>>714551715
yeah if you've done the shadowkeeper stuff from role quests and then go back to her during the zero arc stuff, she actually comments on hearing about the void second-hand from (You) and brings up that she used to be a memoriate before losing her body to travel to the first and all. besides getting to reference unku and cylla to zero's face, who just acts really fucking confused at them being mentioned since she has no idea who they are, if you go back after the arc's finished to cylla she also comments that with the void starting recovery, she and unku have their own plans in the near-future with all that business.
it's kind of REALLY awkward and 100% missable if you either didn't do that content in time or didn't think to go to her while that patch cycle was going, and also just sort of half-assed.

>>714552016
Damn....

>>714552048
I have literally no idea what those games even are anon

>>714543636
wowoid detected

>>714551996
What happened to that wife of yours from the previous thread that you started ranting about dog cocks after, I want to hear more about this.

>>714552157
Why can't you actually respond to the contents of those posts? Why are you rambling about off-topic shit now that you realized you're retarded? Is this like that time you tried to claim Lyse attempted to killsteal Zenos and you got buckbroken into admitting you didn't actually remember the cutscene at all and were making shit up?

is there a such thing as an MMO without cringe levels of grind?

No, MMOs are a dead genre. Devs refuse to evolve beyond the same conventions that were being used thirty years ago because they're locked in a death spiral with MMO players who don't want the genre to evolve because they essentially just want a glorified cookie clicker they can play on their second monitor. Until someone grows the balls to just throw out the entire rule book and create something new, with no ties to any conventions considered "fundamental" to MMOs, there will never be a good one again.

>>714552114
Basically it's going to be another UE5slop gook MMO with the same exact gear, combat, weapon, and skill systems with identical full screen UIs, etc. Aion 2 and the new Archeage are going to be nothing like what they were before. They're not making these games but trying to do better this time, they're making new world clones but worse.

>>714552306
I'm sorry to say anon but thats LITERALLY the genre

>>714552306

No, grind is considered one of the hallmarks of MMO "gameplay". Players will shit their diapers if there's no grind and the devs are happy to bend to their screeching because the grind is what keeps players paying monthly.

>>714552306
FFXIV lmao

You can clear a patch worth of content in 2 hours then have nothing to do for the next 4 months

>>714552306
Guild wars 2 I guess? I don't think XIV has a grind either? Also I'm pretty sure ESO also doesn't have much of a grind. I literally don't play any of them but I've heard they aren't grindy.

>>714552060
Thanks, I had no idea this even was a thing.
I can't believe they didn't have us talk to void natives during the arc.
Or maybe someone told Hiroi to stay away from Unuk because he would've just fucked it up

>>714552521
Pure and simple they're sidequest characters and MSQ is never ever going to mention them in any way that matters for MSQ

>>714552157
>>714552248
What did you guys do in Final Fantasy today?

>>714552580
Gaia had voiced cutscenes in the same arc so that doesn't really make sense

>>714552678
I was fucking floored when she showed up. I doubt they'll ever do anything with her though

>>714552678
Gaia didn't add anything of note in her MSQ cutscene beyond reminding the player she exists because the conversation and Zeromus crystal was vaguely related to Eden

>>714552678
>Yoshida literally says "please do the eden questline before you do this if you want the best experience"
>hasn't done that for anything besides making Crystal Tower necessary for ShB's sake
It's actually kind of really inconsistent with these two examples in mind when you think about it, but it's also hilarious how much favoritism he gives Gaia.

Im back in EQ again. Got my Froglok Wizard to 80. I love Oakwynd's expansion bonuses so much. Itll actually make next expansion's Mckenzie raids less obnoxious due to the double loot and double currency.

Also been back in City of Heroes. made a Dark/Marine Controller named Bathysfear

Times are good

>>714552868
I was actually expecting them to make void raids necessary. They even had Cait Sith appear in the patch trailers.

>>714552306
FFXIV has like zero grind unless you consider going through the main story one. Endgame content can be done in starter gear for that patch, and the actual best in slot loot can be collected in a week with no randomness with droprates.

In general though, nah. Mmos are all about time investment > skill so grind fundamentally underpins the entire genre.

>>714552306
This is a story based mmo. Theres no grind UNLESS you opt-in and do the more autistic content.

You know, I tend to notice something in Square's official marketing for XIV.

>>714553752
Despite being the leading characters and main cast of their current expansion, Wuk Lamat, Erenville and Krile are nowhere to be seen when they want to sell you the game.

>>714552450
ESO is literally as bad of a grind as OSRS, why are you spewing shit you know nothing about

>>714553810
Instead, we are seeing a lot of someone who had 5 minutes of dialogue and whose costume that is prominently featured here is just a level 100 trust unlock.

Why /v/, this makes no sense to me.

>>714553810
>Krile
She is not a main character of DT lol. They always shill Yshtola for 14. So much that I thought she was actually a important character before I played 14.

>>714553752
>>714553810
>>714553881
It's amazing how they've memory-holed Wuk and put Yshtola in a Bikini as the mascot.

>>714553912
>She is not a main character of DT lol.
She was supposed to be. And yet now she's not even on the 7.3 patch art.

>>714553837
Why are you having a meltdown?

>>714553914
I totally expected SE to double down on Wuk. I'm shocked they realized that fucking nobody likes her

>>714553752
>>714553810
>>714553881
>>714553914
it's summer marketing not dawntrail marketing. you're fulfilling the poochie prophecy
>WHERE'S WUK

>>714553975
Yoshida lied nothing new

>sexy woman is promoting your game again
Man, it must be REALLY grim at Square.

>>714550695
I stopped caring about the story when HW said that this was the best timeline, only for us to die and follow a completely different timeline

>>714554080
>>714553752
>>714553810
>>714553881
The weird thing is that it's not only false advertising, but it's false advertising like Dawntrail's some sorta fucking beach episode expac when the most you get, at BEST, is swimsuit shit for the fuckin Duty Support Trusts. Like there's absolutely nothing summer-wise to care about here besides the inevitable moonfire crap.

>>714554052
>No they're not marketing their latest expansion which by YoshiP's own words is "the vacation expansion"
>No they're not marketing the main character of the latest 'vacation' expansion where the story is still ongoing
>They're not putting Wuk Lamat in a bikini because? Oh just stop noticing!
>Here's Yshtola who had 6 lines in Dawntrail

Bro, stop coping it's embarrassing. We all know what's going on here, Wuk is not popular so they broke the emergency glass, put Yshtola in a bikini and got us all erect.

>>714554080
>sexy woman
thats not Gaia nor Ryne

>>714554209
>>714554210
Where's the Dawntrail logo? Looks like other anon is right and this isn't FOR Dawntrail, but the larger game

>>714554210
wuk derangement syndrome claims another poor soul

>>714554052
>i-it's not Dawntrail marketing
This level of cope is not healthy dude, just give it up.

>>714554080
>that belly
>visible cleavage
>underboob
>that garter belt on her long legs so prominent

>>714554432
show us the dawntrail logo on any of these and quit talking to yourself about beach expansions

>>714553752
>wow is that a sponsor vinyl on a rental car, these guys must have anime localization money

>>714554452
Yeah

>>714554492
>paid for a checkmark
>arguing with a corporate account that never responds
like peanut butter and jelly

>>714554465
why is it so important to you if this is promoting dawntrail or not?

>>714554465
Diving right back into samefag accusations, huh? Can you get a new line? And while you're at it, can you tell me if the Pelu Pelu are mentioned in EE1?

how do fuck up a vacation arc
why didn't we get scions being stupid on a beach

>>714554595
It turns out it wasn't one and it was a poor analogy on Yoshida's part at a Fan Festival over a year ago.

>>714554595
Simple. It wasn't one and was never meant to be one.

>>714554557
follow the reply chain and all will be revealed
>>714554570
where'd that wife you were mentioning go dumpy

>>714553881
Did they release a textless full version of that Prishe pic yet

>>714549046
>>>>REAL ARCHEAGE HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED!!!!
>THIS NEW REBOOT SERVER WILL SURELY CAPTURE THE MAGIC OF THE BETA!!!

>>714554715
>>where'd that wife you were mentioning go dumpy
She never existed but it's hilarious that you fell for it

>>714554080
There isn't even a guy in shorts or something to even it out. It literally is just a sexy woman in the foreground. This is breaking with so many of their usual marketing decisions.

>>714554715
My wife is a person and not a dog so I'm not sure why you're so interested in her. Anyway, can you try to stay on topic and tell me if the Pelu Pelu are in EE1? Or are you gonna start schizo spamming about how every post in the thread is one person on 20 phones?

>>714554827
I don't think he fell for it

Are things bad enough for NPC dating yet?

>>714555078
no but we've got a guy losing his mind itt about seeing a bikini for some reason

>>714555098
Welllllllll.......
Eto...........
Yes, hai.... but.........
We spent all za mani........
Gomenasai........

>>714555078
One can only hope, Alisaie bro...
We can only hope.

>>714554465
Christ give it a rest you sperg, what are you arguing over now? Of course they're advertising Dawntrail it's the beach themed expansion, it's the current expansion that the game is going through on patch 7.25.
If it's not Dawntrail then what is it? ARR? Heavensward? Stormblood? Shadowbringers? Endwalker?
You see how ridiculous your line of logic is?
You just like to argue if you reply again with another doubling down instead of admitting you were wrong, that you fucked up and thought wrong, I'm filtering your ass.

>>714555152
>>714555078

>>714555221
Could you kill yourself? Take the other one with you if you have to say he started it.

>>714543423 (OP)
throne and liberty didn't catch on huh

>>714555297
Nah man but Lost Ark totally destroyed everything in its path

>>714555297
it amazes me how people keep falling for the latest fotm mmo only for it to invariably flop a month later. Like you think we'll run out of suckers at some point but there's no end to them.
Just give up on mmos, everything that defined its niche is done better by some other genre now.

>>714555440
MMO players are constantly chasing the nostalgia of their youth when they could play Everquest or WoW for 20 hours a day because they were in school and who cares about school. But now they are adults and want that same feeling but can't commit to it because they need work to live and pay for the game.

>>714555440
desu I had a lot of fun tryharding throne for a good 4 months until the holidays hit and everyone left. It was a decent game but bugged as fuck in the localization and too doumbed down as expected from korean game adaptations

anyone know how Tree of Savior is doing nowadays?

>>714555297
It looks fantastic, it's a shame it's dogshit bloated worthless Korean slop

I played it for five minutes.

>>714555672
something about that airbrushed kpop face with perfect hair and makeup looks so funny juxtaposed against that medieval setting lmao

>>714555440
>>714555534
They are addicts

Unless you're already shackled to one of the old ongoing games (runescape/wow/ffxiv etc a few more) then no there is literally no mmo's currently worth playing.

>>714555653
Was this game ever even alive? I loved the artstyle but it felt like the game dropped and just completely disappeared.

GOOGLE DOCKEY

i just want to play co operative pve. MMO's were typically the place for this but they've stagnated a lot and games like Darktide/MH/and now even nightreign are kind of filling the niche.

Nightreign with actual roles (healer/support, etc), more co-op focused mechanics and a bunch more content starts to get close to my ideal kind of game.

>>714543423 (OP)
have you tried not playing MMOs you fucking brain rotten WHORE?

>>714556323
Anything to say about Final Fantasy XIV? Did you play Final Fantasy today?

>>714555440
I don't get it? It released, people played until they got bored and moved on. Nobody fell for anything except for the tiny minority of whales, and nobody likes or respects whales so who cares?

>>714552450
depending on what your goals gw2 can get pretty damn grindy, for example getting the flying mounts takes a good chunk of gold and time, and then you have autists who like to play dress up and spend a ton of time unlocking outfits

>>714554452
I'd rather they put the Fat Cat in a bikini.

>>714556861
It's been a while since I played it but I think gw2 might have the good kind of grind. Instead of banging your head against a 100hr wall grinding the same thing over and over again you just have a long list of objectives you need to complete in order to get it. Or at least that's how it was for me, maybe I didn't play long enough to hit a point where I needed to korean mmo grind the game to progress to the next form of content. I only played it casually for a couple of months.

Ive fate farmed every dawntrail zone to 100% and i still couldn't tell you how to correctly spell the zone names

>>714556979
I think keeping Y'shtola nude would have been a bit too risky.

>>714557458
jungle zone
mountain zone
forest zone
texas
thunder texas
living memory
ez

>>714543423 (OP)
you will have to wait for chrono odyssey

>>714557529
This is exactly what it would take to get me to resub. Yoshi take notes

>>714557656
we already have chrono odyssey 2 coming out babe
https://youtu.be/BZymINh_k8Q?t=216

>op makes another "totally not xiv general" and pushes out people who actually want to talk about general mmos

>>714543423 (OP)
Windslayer just had a closed beta. Used to be great back in the days but died when they tried to reebot it with Windslayer2. Imo a better version than Maplestory. Was my childhood game so might be a bit biased. Can also recommend Arua Rose, community is kinda shit but if anyone else here miss the anime mmorpg era.

>>714543423 (OP)

speen
leesun tumi

>>714558742
Admit it: you'd probably buy real Sphene's outfit if it was on the cash shop.

>>714559532
No, my character doesn't wear modernslop.

Looking back at it, was Zero's Adventure to find friendship really that bad?

>>714555152
I haven't followed XIV since DT launch. Did he actually say that they don't have money to do some shit the fans asked?

>>714559697
Yeah, it was pretty bad but wuktrail took the heat off of it.

>>714559717

>>714558301
From what I gathered I think its that some resident shitposter migrated from another dead thread and started shitting up this one because OP dared to mention FF14, and some people followed him here and shit it up even more.

>>714543423 (OP)
if you’ve already played FF14 and WoW I dont think you’ll find much better, unless your thing is small/niche MMOs. Currently i’m thinking about playing Star Wars Galaxies on a pserver but I haven’t looked into it too deeply as of yet. I miss sandbox MMOs and hate that WoW basically killed them off because “muh themepark”

>>714559779
That is fairly grim, considering Occult Crescent is the first casual combat content we got since Bozja. Kinda a dick move to cap it with a chaotic raid.

>>714559779
lmao
Does anyone have any hope for the 8.0 "job reworks" anymore?

>>714559908
Not after what happened to BLM, no.

>>714543423 (OP)
Sphene was the best thing to come out of DT
I hope she joins us moving forward

>>714559908
Things seem pretty solid desu, things have already recovered since 7.0 and I’ve been having a lot of fun with the game. I dont get all the doom and gloom in this thread

>>714559697
Fundamentally it was a lot of the exact same problems that Dawntrail had.
>creator's pet OC takes the center stage, everything focuses around her, she's the most important person in the story despite actually not doing much at all besides willpower hold-outs
>old lore gets "updated" (aka overwritten) with new stuff that drastically changes the tone and style of what came before (aka the blue mage quests kind of clash with DT, the Zero arc is basically an overwrite of nearly everything with Void stuff)
>it's effectively running around in circles doing an epilogue wrap-up of Endwalker AND throwing another "threaten the world" plot really fucking awkwardly at the most silly of times after what we've been through; the entire thing literally boils down to "once the protag gets the opportunity to do a direct fight it's a curbstomp" as an afterthought and obvious result than a true climax, the same in DT
The only reason some people look on it better is because Zero was not fucking terrible, just boring compared to the shonen boke retard routine.

>>714560381
The story is also full of nonsense like Golbez destroying the Alzadaal voidgate despite knowing it was vital to his plans at that point because he needed Vrtra to show up to make everything work. What was he supposed to do if they didn't asspull a new voidgate straight to the moon?

>>714560381
Zero's story will always be superior because it didn't introduce all the modern slop that came with Solution 9 into the game.

>>714547123
>>so anyways, FF14 bad and fuck yoshiP amirite?
>>I am subtle
This but unironically, Yoshi P is killing the game.

>>714543423 (OP)
Once Human
Crystal of Atlan
Lost Ark
Blue Protocol: Star Resonance sometime in September
SWTOR is the actual storyfag mmo, not 14
LOTRO for just comfy world exploration
All the others are pozzed trannyshit

just checkin in dumpy, having fun talking to yourself?

>>714551204
>Hiroi has a very bad habit of disregarding past lore to create new if someone else wrote shit. The Void arc basically ignored the Warring Triad and Shadowkeeper stuff near-entirely to rewrite most of the void to be an FF4 homage,

The funniest fucking part about this is that the Void was originally based off of FF3 lore lmfao. With the Crystal Tower, Xande, Cloud of Darkness. I have no fucking idea why they decided to random pivot to making it FF4 inspired out of nowhere.

>>714560716
Did you play Final Fantasy today? What's your opinion on Zero's story?

>>714551996
>Why couldn't you actually respond to the contents of either of those posts, bud? Hey, have you found out for me yet if the Pelu Pelu are mentioned in EE1?
Homestuck get's REALLY mad when you post that funny Nanmo cosplay. Remember when he didn't even know it was supposed to be a Nanamo cosplay and sperged out?

good luck dumping to no one bud

>>714560381
>Zero was not fucking terrible
4 patches of
>I don't wanna do anything if it's not transactional.
>Hmm actually maybe being nice to people is... Le good?
>*tips hat*
>food
There is literally nothing to this character. No charm, no point, no interest. Her presence doesn't add anything to the story. Her being Zenos's voidsent has no meaning to it. There is 0 connection between her and Golbez except "oh we saw each other this one time seven trillion years ago". Hiroi just put her in the spotlight the whole time because he thinks more screentime is what makes people like a character, which is the same mistake he made with wuk. The guy is retarded and has reverse midas touch.

>>714560783
It's always been based on an amalgam of things, really. One of the earliest bits of lore we got about it was that the Flood of Darkness was caused by auracite as an FFT reference. Igeyorhm who caused the Flood resembled Lightning, and FFXIII's world also died to a Flood of Darkness in XIII-2. And then we had the voidsent Halicarnassus, an FFV boss, all the way in ARR. They've always pulled from all over for the Void.

>>714560381
zero was (barely) fuckable and not a tranny. same as lyse. the moment kate crossed that line is when the playercount collapsed

>>714560839
>>714560874
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>714560739
>>714560857
>$42
Damn and I thought WoW's $90 Brutosaur mount was bad!

>>714551858
Now, I’m not gonna say “called it” but…

>>714543423 (OP)
There would have been if Phil Spencer hadn't just canceled the latest one.
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/before-cancelling-zenimaxs-destiny-style-mmo-shooter-xbox-executives-reportedly-enjoyed-early-demos-so-much-that-the-controller-had-to-be-pulled-from-phil-spencers-hands/

>>714561029
But... surely you're going to tell us here on /v/ - Video Games what you did in Final Fantasy today.

i like 14 even though it's taken a massive turn for the worse i hate that the community has become bootleg second life though

>>714561059
the ‘cord never sleeps bro, you can’t escape. Just take a week off and these dudes will forget about you, trust up broski

What kind of fat cuck wastes his entire life maxing every job in a dead nip mmo? Maining bitch healer, no less. K E K

>>714561029
..totally called it, same bait same melty.

I remember the time I got banned from the Australian FFXIV community for calling everyone cultists. Good times.

>>714561230

he's a piece of shit but leveling is not that difficult in xiv

What's wrong with maxing every job and playing WHM...

>>714561123
The devs have only themselves to blame for that

>>714561342
did everyone stand up and clap as well?

>>714561414
the second life shit started happening long before they started adding a bunch of modern slop to the game but yeah it's their fault for not trying to knee cap it in the beginning

>>714561230
>>714561301
Okay, if you didn't play Final Fantasy today, what MMOs did you play?

>>714561427
dunno i was banned

>>714561551
Everyone knows that anticheat and banning modbeasts would save the game overnight. CBU3 are just cowards.

I can't believe Folder-dump/Barry/Macchiato/Pablo/The Trancercord (who are all one person btw) made hundreds of accounts on to Steam to buy and negatively review Dawntrail, the best expansion FFXIV has ever seen with the best story and content we've had in years!

>>714561713
all they have to do is start sending C&D orders like they did with the player scope guy

Is the spammer too dumb to code his bot to vary the md5s at least
Unlucky

>>714561713
If they'd done it by Shadowbringers launch, maybe. At this point it's too ingrained and they'd lose way too many people who value those mods too highly as part of the XIV experience. They'd be nuking themselves. It's too late.
>>714561801
Playerscope is still around, all it did was go into hiding.
>>714561906
What did you do in Final Fantasy today? Install any new mods?

>>714560971
>>714561275
hard to feel sorry for FFXIV players when you know they're all kiddy diddlers

Too much content that requires study before attempting it.

>>714561953
What did you do in final fantasy this month?
also nah that phase is over I had like 40 gigs of shit to test and I hated figuring out how to pose shit properly without clipping
pure vanilla style for me now. I mostly just log in for forked tower attempts now since savage is done

>>714561713
>WoW starts banning combat addons
>XIV combat addons get more and more powerful and popular
This stance of not allowing any addons, but also not enforcing it is completely doomed. You need to provide a framework and actively enforce and moderate its rules

>>714558664
Ghost online was so disappointing, you literally needed mana to run and the movement was janky, low levels were so brutal that it couldn't ever hold a playerbase. Duels were extremely fun though once you did actually have some levels and the class skills were cool. I wish 2d sidescroller MMOs would make a comeback, a lot of them simply suffered from poor gameplay. Big part of why maple outlasted everyone else was simply because the gameplay was responsive enough to be a good MMO world.

>>714562095
>What did you do in final fantasy this month?
This month? My group finally wrapped up our Cruiserweight reclears. I did a lot of grinding in Occult Crescent for the first few weeks and I've done a few Forked Tower attempts (none that have gotten past Dead Stars). I finally finished decorating my Ishgard apartment, and I'm forcing myself through Mamool Ja dailies.

>>714554052
Why doesn't Square want to market the game using the main character from their latest expansion?

>>714561230
cuckoli is a known /xivg/ lolcow and diaperfag

>>714554557
>>714554595
>>714555221
The Dawntrail defender is rapidly become a lolcow, he thinks he can just lash out at countless different anons, accuse them all of being his personal boogieman, assert that anyone and everyone who doesn't like the literal #1 most hated expansion in the entire game's history is 1 singular person, and that this behavior won't end up backfiring on him at some point by just gaining him tons of enemies and zero allies.

>>714562392
Thoughts on Holminster Switch as a dungeon?

>>714562392
Maybe if you waifufag spam more it'll change things

>>714560381
Remember when post-EW was advertised as a "newfound adventure"? A return to low-stakes adventure kino?

>>714561953
>Playerscope is still around, all it did was go into hiding.
considering how petty the modders are in this game someone will probably rat out the people still passing it around

>lowest state
Content wise there is a lot of stuff released, way more than for example during HW. However, the content they release is catering too hard to high end players. Yoshida said he wants more friction and stress in his combat content, which is a fine mandate. However, since they culled so much of the combat in XIV, "stress and friction" just feels like shit: You die and the raid wipes. This is shit and makes a lot of people simply not try.

Add that the MSQ is a complete fail and the world is actually offputting (Tural is just sterile and Solution 9 is too much of an thematic/aesthetic clash for some) meaning there is very little to keep people in the game.

Dawntrail is just a pretty impressive showing of what not to do with an MMO.

>"I hate modbeasts, but this wetsuit isn't a sling bikini so I'm going to rip my hair out" track?
How the fuck does hating modbeasts contradict like bikinis? You seem REALLY buttblasted over the numerous criticisms against this game like you are personally offended by them. What is your goal here, little buddy? Who are you trying to convince?

>>714562434
Fantastic except for the forced single pulls at the end, they bring it down to like an 8/10

>Some new player who bought the full game (so not a free trial andy) goes into Frontline
>Get's banned for seemingly no reason
>Asks why on the forums
>Get's told it's probably because he was saying bad things in chat
>Says he just cracks casual, lighthearted jokes and occassionally tries to offer helpful advice for the team
>Get's told this will get him banned anyway and he basically deserves it
>Realizes this is what the GCBTW is like and decides to drop this game rather than pay to get banned for trivial shit like talking in chat

And the GCBTW drives out another sane player. Sad

>>714562540
meant to reply to >>714562268

>>714562618
link the bread

>>714562618
There is nothing wrong in banning accounts of people playing male AuRa

What needs to be done before 14 cements itself in the same death spiral as the the rest of the popular MMORPGs on the market?

How many months has this spam happened now?

>>714563108
where's the tranny groomer crown?

>>714563157
>>714563179
What did you do in Final Fantasy today?

>>714563139
>before
go back with your time machine and kyoani CBU3 before 6.1 launches

What did I do in final fantasy today? eto...

I am confused, is it now one deranged spammer what does all the anti XIV shit and another spammer that is posting all the concept art and asking people what they did in FF?

Are you people all mental?

>>714562618
>i was just being snarky
>i was just joking
>male au ra
lmao it's not hard to imagine what they were actually saying once you reverse their downplaying. Think he will find wow more up his alley.

>>714563298
Yoshida-san... we're waiting...
>>714563307
I'm just trying to talk about video games.

>>714562530
>made a 'career' because of ffxiv
>continues the 'career' by dumping on ffxiv
how did she get away with it

>>714563139
Japanese players knew Yoshida was a hack months before the rest of the world caught on

>>714563332
You are just as bad as the folder dumper. Why can't these threads just exist without people deputising themself and trying to mod discussions by making the threads absolutely unusable?

>>714543423 (OP)
14 was never an MMO therefore what you are looking for is a JRPG/VN not an MMO

>>714543773
does it still have 1 tick rate?

>>714563290
Cope is strong in MMORPG fans and there generally needs to be multiple universally regarded shit expansions in a row to actually crippled one

>>714546415
Do you picture a young lad ever being into mmos? Doesn't have the attention for it.

>>714563432
Is there something you don't like about video games? May I recommend /bant/ or perhaps /trash/? Have you played any MMOs today?

>>714563340
outrage baiting is the meta for making money on social media now. The ones you see doing it in gaming are just small fish compared to the ones pushing politics. They are all flies on the dungheap that is modern social media.

>>714563307
The folder dumper has been at it for a few months and gained a devoted anti-follower who does nothing but talk about the folder dumper.
The anti-follower made a google doc that tracks how many times the folder dumper has used each image. Then he started spamming it every thread and continued talking about the folder dumper and accusing everyone he disagrees with of being the folder dumper
Thus, XIV threads became a clashing of off-topic autism.
Artbook dumper reprised his old technique from when people were spamming about WoW e-celebs.
Now we're here. Who's gonna win?

go fuck yourself spamming faggot

what's the most fun job in DT
might skip through the MSQ so i don't have to do catchup when a good expansion comes out some day

>>714546415

>>714563682
I say we all talk about video games instead. Who's with me? Did you play Final Fantasy today?

>>714561713
Banning addons is not going to fix the story and terrible job design

>>714563654
Waifu posters will be the last ones standing. Fuck folder-fag, fuck artbook-autist. Waifu supremacy.

>>714563690
Depends what you find fun. I love Pictomancer's free-form playstyle, but Viper is fast paced and flashy. Just don't touch Summoner.

>>714563139

A Realm Re-Reborn

Another meteor inexplicably and conveniently annihilates the entire new world continent and has similar memory wiping effects

Combat design is reverted back to jobs with slow paced but impactful ability and resource management with emphasis on open world party play in non-instanced zones and dungeons

Every race / mount / weapon model / outfit designed after 1.0 is deleted, Akihiko Yoshida is given 1 billion dollars to do all concept design going forward

All Soken music is deleted, Nobuo Uematsu and Naoshi Mizuta are given 1 billion each to do all compositions going forward

>>714563795
source?
we all know that XIV killed Versus but i've never read whatever this is before

>>714562521
More grating is that that wasn't our first rodeo. Back before HW came out, in interviews he was talking about how they'd used the breathing room ARR had given them and now they were going to really see where they could push the limits. Then 3.0 came out, none of the little extras he'd been gushing about materialized, we had a six month wait for 3.1, and the eternally recycled patch content rotation began.

>>714562523
They're not hiding anymore, that was more of a thing when SE was first chasing takedowns on github of the original. There are dozens of active forks and many new versions with additional features.

>Y'shtola x WoL
>two professionals who are incredibly good in their respective field, but have 0 emotional/relationship experience, trying to give it their best to make it work
Cute, cute!
What is Alisaie x WoL like? I guess WoL is more of a mentor here?

>>714543423 (OP)
I got bored of XIV and I didn't even start the 3rd expansion

>>714563978
Alisaie is the sort of person who isn't mature enough to have a real relationship. She needs to branch out on her own and grow up first. Not because of her age, but because she's retarded and childish and doesn't view WoL as a partner.

>>714563690
Unironically just pick the one that you think has the coolest looking effects, that's all that matters if you're just playing casually.

>>714563978
Well, they did post a girls' get-together as one of those short side-stories on the lodestone that was about Alisaie equally gushing/griping about the WoL without realizing she was doing it. Then Y'shtola and Lyse gave each other The Look and starting to rib her about it until she baka'd out of the meetup.

>Clicks on thread
>Downloads all the hot gpose screenshots
>Leaves

>>714562540
The ramifications have past decisions have reared their ugly head.
By moving all of the perceived "difficulty" away from the jobs, to appeal tor etards who can't press buttons, they've had to move it towards the encounters. Except this decision has also left them very little in the way of options of how to make an encounter "difficult".
So it's simon says auto wipes all the way down and they're even scared of severe dps checks because it's at odds with their new design mentality overall (late HW/early SB philosophy change).

So instead of having a thing you do all the time and getting better at it (job/action complexity) there's egregiously dumb simon says wipes that mean you're always held back by the most mechnically retarded person in any given group.
You can get better at a job outside of specific content, you can't get better at the simon says outside of that content.
If we add in the "pressure/anxiety" issue casuals complain about, they're under more pressure and feel more anxiety with a more "difficult" mechanic set.

>>714564384
Have you ever made your own gposes? It's fun!

Quick WoL, marry her and calm her tits down before she blows up the moon from sheer autism.

>>714564449
Nah, but my static does. I don't really care for much XIV-related stuff outside of raiding because this thread is the same 10 people repeating the same point 100 times.

>>714564442
Forked Tower is such a good example of how they run out of design space. The only way for them to make it hard is the give a strict ress limit on the players and just ending the instance if the whole group wipes. To quote a very tires old /v/ meme: Artificial Difficulty.

>>714564608
>I don't really care for much XIV-related stuff outside of raiding
Dawntrail must be an absolutely stellar experience for you.

>>714564660
Y'shtola doesn't look like that.

>>714564531
>>714563978
Hey, artbook-autist, are you also the one who is reposting archived waifu posts?

>>714564776
No, is that what those are?

>>714564776
What did you do in XIV this day?

>>714564826
Yeah, whenever people bring up waifus someone else will spam contextless thirst posts from previous threads.

So we have 3 retarded spammers in these threads. Amazing.

anyone wanna be xiv bfs?

>>714564705
We don't know what she looks like to being with, she's been using glamors the entire time.

>>714564608
the only person that actually plays the game ITT

>>714564890
That's too bad. I just want to talk about video games.

I'm going to impregnate this cat in the very first patch of this year.

>>714564929
Nah, if she was using glamours they would have been stripped from her when she was pulled out of the Lifestream. She just ages well.
>>714564932
I playeded the game today!

>>714564442
This is also why the game is so stale and boring to play now. Jobs are boring, mechanics are boring.
They have less freedom in encounter design, they have a very limited amount of available fail states, they've put inordinate amounts of focus on spectacle. It's not do X mechanic and job shit, so let the best job for it do it. If not, have somebody cover it. It's let's make the boss not move/be massive/be untargettable and have a mechanics dance, don't worry about it. Stand in the right spot and let the mechanic resolve. There's no action, nobody feels like they're actually doing anything of import.
People bitch about all the wrong things.
yes, random mechanic targetting is actually fine because the act/react dynamic is what matters and it's what's missing.

She's blind and can only see aether now, and I doubt her pubes have aether so she's got a full bush.

The chalice was made by Azem. The Lalafell just mathed it out to use it to make a single portal. Wife will just be able to freely teleport between shards soon.

>>714565015
All they have left is making things more convolutes or faster.

>>714562540
>Content wise there is a lot of stuff released
Where is this "content" you speak of?

>>714565051
everything has aether, which is why the blasphemies spooked her so much

>>714562754
>link the bread
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/519998-I-just-got-an-account-warning-for-grief-tactics-and-I-literally-have-no-idea-why

correction, he wasn't banned but warned. Still

>>714547908
>GW 2
I was with you until you said that. Get the fuck out of here. Agender engineer.

>>714563331
>lmao it's not hard to imagine what they were actually saying once you reverse their downplaying. Think he will find wow more up his alley.
Based on the plummeting XIV playercount it seems most players are finding more fun with other games. I'm sure if you keep driving more players away your game will somehow improve and not innevitably fizzle out and die.

>>714563537
This thumbnail is advanced as fuck. Wuk looks like she's making a soiface, but she's not.

>>714565194
Ignoring the standard trappings of MSQ, Trial, Raid and 24 man:
>cosmic
>foray
>chaotic
>ultimate
That is little, but more we got in other expansions. If they actually go through with their promises DT will be very packed
>more foray
>BST
>Deep Dungeon
>BLU update
>Variant/Criterion(?)
>maybe another chaotic
>ultimate
The issue is just that most of it is for high end players and Phantom Ranger is probably how BST will turn out.

>>714565185
And faster isn't a viable option because of the server and client position discrepency between players.
Convoluted is just the same mechanics we've seen but in different combinations or slight variations during "downtime".
Riveting...

>Y'shtola fags are the last ones holding out hope
Krile fags? Obliterated
Alisaie fags? Changed waifu to Sphene
Sphene fags? Flavour of the week
Yugiri fags? I am so sorry bros...

>>714565459
Y'shtola fags are still in denial after their cucking by Runar.

>>714565051
>She's blind
>Actually she's not blind she can still basically see everything, she can even read because uh, even ink has aether so she can read the text of books just the same (and somehow the entire page isn't just a blur of aether because apparently paper doens't have aether I guess or it's a different color of aether that contrasts just well enough with the color of ink's aether I dunno)

Ok so what was the point of making her blind then? In what way has Y'shtola's not-blindness impacted her negatively or positively? In what way has it developed her character any further? What was the point of making her "blind' but with none of the hindrances of actually being blind?

>>714565575
Its ffxiv theres no fucking consequences to anything you should know this by now.

>>714565575
They realized that if they made her a useless cripple, they'd be forced to retire her as a scion or an adventurer and that would have been tantamount to discarding the face of their game at the peak of its popularity. It seems like there was lack of communication between the writers and the game's marketing division. If they wanted to discard Y'Shtola, they should have prepared a different popular character to replace her with. Like Estinien for example, but he also went nowhere and instead became useless comic relief.

>>714565575
>and somehow the entire page isn't just a blur of aether because apparently paper doens't have aether I guess or it's a different color of aether that contrasts just well enough with the color of ink's aether I dunno
Ink is much more aetherically conductive because of the metals in it. Metals, especially precious metals, conduct aether very well and for that reason mage's robes usually have designs woven with gold or silver. That's also how Arcanist books are used to channel aether through their geometries which are just miniature leylines. So yeah, the ink looks different.
As for why they did it, it's because Heavensward had a different writer than the rest of the game and when Oda and Ishikawa took over they just had their own ideas of what to do so they effectively ignored it. But the scene at the end of Qitana Ravel was kino at least.

>>714565575
to get rid of the aether goggles every scion was wearing

I unsubbed and just made a free trial account.
You can still be fashionable with f2p glams, and you don't even need /tell when you can just be invited to a linkshell or talk on an external chat app.
880% of the good content is in HW and StB anyway.

>>714565415
They can easily make it faster. Not faster in terms of reactions, but in terms of the pacing and placement of damage vs. your ability to dodge it.

You can easily design patterns so that it's not expected for the player to dodge more than 50% of the hits, and the healers / tanks have to make up the rest. You can increase the pace at which tanks take damage without making it oneshot central. You can make the boss move around more. You can do more add phases. There's a lot you can do, it's not hard, and they have done a lot of it in the current raid tier.

Keeping player tools simple and making fights complex is always the correct way to design satisfying and reactive combat. They just need to slowly keep finding their footing.

>>714565852
You will take your body checks and 2 minute burst meta and you will like it.

>This thread again
At some point you guys have got to get bored of interacting with FS9

apologize

>>714565367
>>cosmic
Levequest botted slop
>foray
Worst aspects of Eureka and Bozja with none of the good, actually goes BACKWARDS in design, ending in a shitty now-discord-exclusive savage raid with no normal difficulty
>chaotic
Single boss find that was meant to be extreme but tuned to savage because Mr.Ozma is a psychopath who hates the playerbase. Everyone expected full-complete hardmode versions of each Alliance raid when the devs said we'd be getting "hard mode alliance raids" and we get ONE (1) single boss from ONE (1) single raid, and 6 months later we haven't even gotten anymore (and based on the near non-existent clear rates they probably never will make more)

>Ultimate
Raidslop for the top 0.1%

>BST
Arguably vaporware at this point. And limited-jobs are not content. You can't even do any content with them, hence why they're called LIMITED jobs

>Deep Dungeon
Nobody cares about the latest reskinned Palace of the Dead since the devs refuse to deviate from the same formula from back then, they actually made it WORSE with the latest Deep Dungeon (Eureka Orthos) with mobs from the very first floor having ridiculously inflated health pools and one-shot mechanics, and bosses having the same DDR-simon says slop fight design that began in EW

>Blu Update
"Here's your 10 levels (still can't play at current level cap btw), 5 more abilities that, and one single Maksed Carnaval fight after 3 fucking years where you also only got one single fight. Oh and you still can't do any content lol lmao"

>Variant/Criterion
Nobody cared about Variants / Criterion was more savage-tier slop because Mr. Ozma can't design anything but savage slop now, and literally nobody bothered to do it because it was too hard plus had zero rewards and the devs have shown little to no indication they actually will add worthwhile rewards. Assuming Variants?Criterion aren't abandoned at this point like IS

NEXT

>>714565990
Zepla can be an airheaded incorrect attentionwhore and the game can be in a bad place simultaneously yano

>>714565962
What manga is that?

>>714566017
Blue Mage is breaking its limits in 7.3
You will all be ashamed of your words and deeds.

>>714566017
it really is a shame they don't try harder to iterate on deep dungeon. Roguelites are the secret to infinite pve content, if they managed to get something fun to stick, it would go a long way towards tackling the most persistent complaint with the game.

>>714565575
Wasn't blind a mistranslation of what happened to her?

>>714565575
>Gacha game adds blind waifu
>She's actually totally fucking blind
Why are gacha games (games that literally can't even kill most of their main cast because people spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on them) still more willing to write consequences than fucking FFXIV, a game that isn't held back by that problem because none of the main cast are actual playable?

>>714566220
>is blind, but actually isn't because she has a high tech gadget to do the seeing for her
That's not what being blind is. You could apply the same to Y'Shtolla that is blind, but actually isn't because she can use her advanced magecraft training to see aether in things instead.

>>714566192
No, she is blind. The mistranslation was the implication of burning her life force to maintain the spell that lets her see aether. Technically that could happen, if she were to run out of MP and continue maintaining the spell to the point it started eating away at her corporeal aether. But really the issue is just that she'll get tired more easily.

>>714566192
>Wasn't blind a mistranslation of what happened to her?
No that was the line that said she was killing herself by using aether to see. You see that actually would've made her condition tragic and impactful, an actual serious cost to using aether to artificially regain the ability to see. But nope, Yoshi P thought even THAT was too much consequence so he had to clarify that was a "mistranslation". NO STAKES ALLOWED. NO CONSEQUENCES ALLOWED. NOBODY DIES. NOBODY SUFFERS. EVERYONE IS HAPPY. HAPPY HAPPY FOREVER HAPPY HAPPY HAPPYYYYYYYYYYY

>>714566017
>we just couldnt be assed to give blue mage it's own ultimate difficulty to go into and fuck with ucob with all the broken shit with some strict restrictions and adding a neat title or something - a good medium to get people to try stuff they otherwise hadn't previously while having it be insanely easy/easier
>square will salivate at the chance to rehash suzaku but for level capped folks
true genius works at this company

>>714566345
Having three expansions in a row of death, rape, people being eaten alive or turned into horrific abominations was not enough? You seem addicted to misery.

>>714566326
Doesn't that apply to all uses of aether when you are tapped out of MP though? also thanks for the correction.

>>714566461
It does.

>>714566461
Yeah, most mages aren't constantly maintaining a spell at all times though.

>>714566345
>NOBODY DIES. NOBODY SUFFERS.
dying is easy
living is the hard thing to do

>>714566345
I remember the children's movies I watched as a kid had way more balls with it's writing than FFXIV does nowadays.

Imagine how pic related would've ended if the FFXIV writers wrote it.

>>714566589
>misery porn = good

>>714565852
>to dodge more than 50% of the hits, and the healers / tanks have to make up the rest.
With the amount of mit/healing and the types available across a party it's a bit of a non-starter now without adjusting the jobs themselves first.
>You can increase the pace at which tanks take damage without making it oneshot central.
Not really since everything is tied to an internal gcd of enemies and a regen/degen tick rate, they'd need adjusting first. That's a very structural issue they haven't wanted to address since 1.0 and never will.
>You can do more add phases
Solves the above but is uninteresting for large amounts since the removal of TP and having to manage resources outside of what mits/healing tanks are using/recieving. They're supposed to be a resource drain and they're just... not because of past choices made.
>Keeping player tools simple and making fights complex is always the correct way to design satisfying and reactive combat
If only you realised how many tools the dps have lost in terms of CC and other situational use options. They weren't complex tools but removing them has limited fight design considerably. Even the tanks and healers have been hit by this to some extent.

>>714566142
I was hoping they would add lost actions or something into the EW DD instead of poms, but they just copied the old DD's and made it more like raiding with the instant kill mechanics.
It's really pretty amazing how unimaginative CBU3 is

>>714566723
They've been in the same content cycle for so long it's damaged their ability to come up with new stuff

>>714566220
>gacha game
>adds a character that is blind(as in a whole new character not a pre-existing one becoming blind)
>gachatard thinks this is somehow a consequence despite her being blind by default
>gachatard thinks this is a consequence despite blindness being the most trivially easy disability to work around in fiction which gachashit character does she has magical energy vision just like Y'sthola.
I fucking hate Gacha faggots so much its unreal.

>>714566294
Retard trigger is actually blind while her face covering is more for covering/treating her scars from her eyes being corrupted

>>714566345
FFXVI should be more for you.

>>714566723
DD is the place to bring back Aetherial Gear in the chests that can only useed in that run. Form there they can skip the stats and add X potency to Y or A seconds to B buff etc.
Just create a giant pool for each job and tier them. Boom, done.

>>714566294
>>is blind, but actually isn't because she has a high tech gadget to do the seeing for her
That's not the case, she's literally blind (she can only make out the vaguest outlines of her surroundings). She got blasted in the face with Ether (which unlike the Aether of this game it's a cancerous substance that corrupts anything it touches and turns people into monsters) and now relies entirely on her other senses. That visor only exists to block the Ether that's infected her eyes from spreading to her brain and killing her. The only thing her can eyes do now is detect Ether thanks to the corruption, but she can't actually see said Ether or anything else, her eyes act like sensor nodes that detect Ether and nothing more.

You know it's a common trope in fiction to have a blind character who has all their other senses heightend and making them super-senses allowing them to still fight. See : Daredevil from Marvel. CBU3 could've written something similiar but I guess none of them are familiar with that extremely common trope.

>>714566634
Misery makes the light shine brighter and reminds you why you're fighting.

>>714566294
a cripple is a cripple

>>714565575
Y'shtola is the only Scion who is visibly winded after using too much aether because she needs to constantly upkeep aether vision. It isnt terminal but is a detriment.

>>714566865
FF16 literally undoes all its misery right after the demo ends bro.

>>714567009
They're DIFFERENTLY ABLED, CHUD!

>>714566421
>Having three expansions in a row of death, rape, people being eaten alive or turned into horrific abominations was not enough? You seem addicted to misery.
I like drama in my fiction. You know, the thing that makes it interesting. Even comedies have drama.

Why does this expansion feature characters inspired by FFIX but without their names?
I mean, Krile from FFXIV isn't the same character as the one from FFV, so why not use Garnet, Steiner, or Beatrix?

>>714566992
thankfully we just had an expansion all about that and were promised a nice relaxing beach adventure

>>714567043
Doesn't Joshua at the end?[.spoiler]?

>>714566951
>proceeds to explain how she is blind, but actually isn't
QED

>>714566992
We had plenty of that in Shadowbringers. Up until that point the life of an average person in Eorzea had been nothing but misery.

>>714567009
A cripple that isn't held back by their disability is not a cripple, it's just an alteration of character aesthetics. A disability is supposed to disable you. It's right there in the word.

>>714567067
Because they aren't Steiner, Garnet and Beatrix, they're Otis, Sphene and Zelenia

>>714566421
So you are the type of player they were thinking about catering to when they wrote dawntrail.
>Rubber bullets

>>714565852
>You can easily design patterns so that it's not expected for the player to dodge more than 50% of the hits, and the healers / tanks have to make up the res
Healing and buffing is so unresponsive in this game that I think reactive gameplay is actually not possible to do in a satisfying way. I've died so many times with stuff like Benediction/HG going on cooldown but not registering, or awful shit like aoe heals not propagating fast enough for everyone

I am fairly happy XIV isnt grimdark shit. Only FF that has more character deaths than XIV is II and that is ass.

>>714567162

>>714566992
DT was meant to be the light/vacation before we dive right back into the usual misery

I like mortal online

>>714567196
>strawmanning
Dawntrail is bending the ruler too much the other way. People dying and having shit linvs in a frontier settlement is perfectly normal and acceptable. It was a big part of Mor Dhona in ARR.

>make an expansion about furnigs, beastmen and lalashit
>It's complete fucking trash

there is no defending rubber bullets
I can deal with the food
I can deal with the disney song
but that shit was beyond retarded

>>714567182
But they are totally inspired by those characters, instead of "they are the steiner, garnet and beatrix" from that universe, it makes them bootleg copies.

>>714567227
It's bad enough that people make parody jokes about the deaths.

>>714567162
I Literally explained in detail that she can't see fucking shit (she mentions this multiple times ingame, on one of the dates you can take her out on you can bring her to a harbor and she mentions that she can't see the beautiful sight but to not feel bad for her because she "still remembers what it looked like"). She relies on her other senses to do everything. Her eyes are just lumps of corrupted flesh that can detect Ether (but she doesn't actually see the Ether, just "senses" it)

*dies*

>>714567330
But they're not steiner, garnet and beatrix from that universe. There could actually be a steiner, garnet and beatrix in the history of the 9th seeing as Sphene is the 14th of her name.

What makes people so unbelievably assmad about Y'shtola?

>>714567213
Any mechanic like it will just get mit stacked to oblivion. They refuse to expect it from everybody so there's always room to overmit and trivialise.

>FFXIV is getting outdone by a literal Chinese gambling game in terms of storytelling, presentation, character writing, animation and cinematography

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmT-iFVgLug

How did this happen? Imagine playing through Dawntrail and then playing through THIS.

>>714567301
>People dying and having shit lives in a frontier settlement is perfectly normal and acceptable.
I agree, which is why rubber bullets was retarded to try and lower the stakes with

>>714567478
the fact that we can't marry her

>>714546695
lost ark > ff14 dressup

>>714567543
>FFXIV is getting outdone by a literal Chinese gambling game
FFXIV is a Chinese gambling game now thoughever

>Gachatards here to force their lunacy again
What drives you to shill your shit here every time?

>>714567364
If she can make out outlines of her surroundings and has magical bullshit to help her see she's only legally blind, not functionally blind. A blind person is a person that sees nothing at all.
Lilly Satou in Katawa Shoujo is blind. She cannot see anything at all, she cannot move around without her guidance cane and she is only able to aptly navigate spaces she had spent a considerable amount of time exploring. Alone she cannot even handle shopping, her physical condition is described as frail, due to a low amount of exercise and her pace outdoors is incredibly slow due to having to move around with extreme care.

>>714567553
I agree, I think it was faggot shit. But XIV was bordering on Grimdark until after Shadowbringers with the sheer amount of violence, misery and abuse happening to people in it, it's just that it wasn't the main characters being mutilated on screen. Anyone that actually wanted that to happen to the scions had a screw loose. Who are they going to fucking use for storytelling after? New characters? Introducing new characters is already a massive fucking hassle and they haven't the skill to make them good or compelling anymore.

>>714567435
Sorry anon, she didnt suffer enough and there was no implied rape. Stakes faggots just want for women to suffer and then get fridged.

>>714543423 (OP)
Depends on what you're looking for. There's not a lot of new MMOs coming out that aren't UE5 shit or a crypto scam. The genre is unfortunately a relic of a smaller internet where communicating live in a game was novel, and guides weren't being churned out on day 0. Old man rant aside, if you can tolerate old game jank, you have shit like
>Guild Wars 1
>LOTRO
>Dungeons and Dragons Online
>FFXI
If you want something more modern, other anons have already mentioned the all the relevant MMOs that are still kicking.
As a bonus recommendation, you can join the MMOdventure on /vm/ and play a bunch of old/dead MMOs with anons. Right now we're on a kMMO slop streak but there's kino on the horizon.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/108034410

Were you guys aware that Y'shtola is jewish.
lmao that google translate

>>714567662
akshually, by proxy, she got fucked in all sorts of ways

>>714567543
we're not interested in your waifu gambling sim

>>714567628
How long until EoS? SE doesn't have a particularly good track record you know

>>714566640
It's not a non-starter. Damage is a flow rate problem. Extremely small changes in damage can have massive effects on the direction and speed of the overall flow. You get the impression that healing and mitigation are overpowered because the designers have worked very hard to ensure that the flow stays within a particular range.

They don't need to increase the tick rate. Just increase the number of sources of damage and decrease the damage they do.

Cooldowns are resources.

I don't care what the DPS has lost, they didn't need it.

>>714567213
I don't know why you think it needs to be responsive. Attrition is fine. HP is a resource. Healers will run out of resources eventually if you keep it up. Again, the designers are just very careful to keep it in a manageable range.

>>714566017
>it's bad because I say so chuddy
Good post.

>>714568007
>I don't know why you think it needs to be responsive
You don't know why combat should feel responsive?

>>714567654
>Anyone that actually wanted that to happen to the scions had a screw loose
Very true, I would only be open to the that idea if that particular scion didn't die and instead got an upgrade after getting btfo by someone. Like thancred loses his arm but replaces It with magitek or something that shoots gun blade bullets

>>714567461
Yes, that could happen, but lately they've been messing up a lot with the references. Golbez wasn't the real Golbez, but in the end he had a friend named Durante who became the real Golbez. Couldn't his friend have been named Cecil?
Or in the end, Zero takes on the role of Cecil because he becomes a Paladin. Couldn't they have revealed that his name is Cecilia?
I don't know, these are little things that make you remember the characters more. I think that if you ask someone who Durante is, they won't even remember this whole plot, and that the final boss called Zeromus has nothing to do with Zero.

>>714568090
Yeah, I was expecting Arenvald to get boosted with Garlond Ironworks experimental tech, but nothing, he's now a useless chair hog.

>>714565990
I am sorry that your viewer count fell off tremendously and you were too shit to clear The Omega Protocol.

>>714568145
It is pretty sad arenvald was used for pity points as a way to redeem that orange haired chick that pushes him around that I forgot the name of

>>714568098
>Couldn't his friend have been named Cecil
No. in 4 Cecil and Golbez are brothers.
Zero isn't remotely like Cecil other than the class switch at the end
>Zeromus
Zeromus was stated to be the name of a legendary hero of the 13th's past.

>>714568234
Fordola, her story has the sort of nuance writers back then weren't afraid of exploring. Her parents were accommodating of the Garlean conquerors, so a crowd of randoms that weren't ended up beating them to death, so she grew up wanting for an opportunity to repay them that favor and made use of it when it presented itself. She didn't even need to be "redeemed" in my opinion, her hatred was completely justified.

Dawntrail better deliver
>BEACH EPISODE
>letting us call her Shtola
>adventure kino
>options to quip with her more
>a date evening
I will settle for 4 out of 5. Anything less is unacceptable.

>>714568346
Fordola literally did nothing wrong. She can't be a traitor to a country she never had allegiance to. She was born in Garlemald.

>>714568390
>letting us call her Shtola
I don't know which one I would like more:
Her blushing upon hearing that
or her giving us another "do you have a deathwish" look

>>714568465
That's the thing that made certain segments of story good in Stormblood, even the people inhabiting Ala Mhigo stll remain doubtful whether the rule of Garlemald was better or worse than the rule of the Mad King that they themselves deposed. It was complex politically and economically and showcased sides of oppression, revolutionary movement and rebellion and did not name one objectively good and the other objectively bad.

While 7.2 was a step up and actually felt like a direct reaction to 7.0 complaints, Occult Crescent was a let down and I'm scared 7.3's story will be shit and ONCE AGAIN kill the good female character.

>>714568524
She should just call you "sapling" and make Feo Ul extremely jealous.

>>714568580
I doubt they will kill sphene since they gave her a new job, I'm more worried that real sphene will inherit the memories from old sphenes crown thus making her buddy buddy with wuk again and also giving her all of the flaws that made old sphene unlikeable

>>714568007
>Just increase the number of sources of damage and decrease the damage they do.
1 enemy is AA, and GCD.
STRUCTURAL ISSUE based on server constraints.
Even shit like Bahamut's Claw and other rmulti-hits are still bound by this issue.
>CD are resources
Yes but they're designed around, including your add phases. To the point they will even alleviate busters before and after said phases to manage them for you. TP/MP restricitons used to mean you had a very limited amount of AoE available before it was a detriment. Add phases now are more like "Well, we have 2 tanks to use... split/stack them up" design. And that's it. TP is non existent, MP concerns are laughable at best and CDs are abundant. Nothing is getting streessed by add phases atm.
>I don't care what the DPS has lost, they didn't need it.
>no you don't need to make jobs more complex, but it's fine to take away simple tools, n-n-n-nobody pressed them anyway!
I'm sure everybody is just perfectly peachy about having less to do and have not been complaining about it at all for years now. Now it's limiting encounter design, are we happy?

You can ask for this shit all you want, and you're not entirely wrong, but you have to acknowledge the limits of what is feasible.

>>714568796
>I'm more worried that real sphene will inherit the memories from old sphenes crown
Yeah, this really would be a step back. Sphene is likeable in 7.2 because she's human. Adding the memories and personality of some murderous bot gone rogue to that would be a mistake.
And we already have G'raha for the same basic idea, so it isn't even novel.

>>714568789
would she even know about that?

>>714565265
Probably got mass-reported by a bot team in PvP so the system auto-warned him with zero human intervention. SE never really fixed that, they just increased the threshold and called it good.

>>714568946
I'm pretty sure she was present when Feo Ul referred to him as such?

>>714569068
>in front of all the boys
aaaaawkward

>>714566326
The thing is, how is that a mistranslation when they not only mention it early on, but have Maytoya expound on it again later, in detail? That excuse never passed the smell test.

>>714563692
This but Monster Hunter instead of mobage

>>714565575
>In what way has Y'shtola's not-blindness impacted her negatively or positively?
There were a few instances in ShB and EW where the excess/lack of Aether had some interesting moments with her.

>>714568942
Exactly how I feel about it sphenebro. Hopefully they do her character justice next patch

>>714568390
I swear if they lock the Scion swimsuits to be Lv100 Trusts only and not even use them for the beach vacation they've been promising for 2 fucking years...

>>714566017
Based post.

>>714569392
Same. I'll just assume that something will happen to her and she won't be joining us past 7.3 to be safe. I can live with that, even if I would prefer she gets to tag along.

Ideal scenario
>Sphene comes with us, memory unaltered, Wuk dies/is left in the palace
Okay scenario
>Sphene doesn't come with us. Wuk dies/is left in the palace
Intolerable scenario
>Sphene comes with us, but Wuk also remains in the story
Burn everything down to the ground scenario
Sphene doesn't come with us/dies/stays in Solution 9, but Wuk remains in the story

>>714569502
That last bit was meant to have greentext.

LAST POST, nobody will know that I love BIG BLACK ROEGADYN CAWK