Thread 714544701

Pirate Software was easy to defeat but now we have to fight lobbyists funded by every publisher

>>714544701 (OP)
if these games are meant to be online only how come everyone has to download all the asset files directly to their local machine

>>714545206
Stop asking questions!

>we designed them in a shitty way for customers
That's the point. Stop doing that.

>>714544701 (OP)
It's okay to kill games and screw people out of money if it's not commercially viable anymore, that means it's okay to pirate games if it is not financial viable for you to pay for them.

>>714544701 (OP)
The European market will be region-locked out of some AA and AAA multiplayer games as a result of this.

Screenshot this post.

>>714544701 (OP)
This is why Ross needs to get lawyers

>>714544701 (OP)
Oh no! the money printing child gambling games can't be maintained past the grift isn't profitable anymore. I'd love to see these companies topple like dominos for exploiting children.

>>714544701 (OP)
>zero source/attribution
y'all just farming idiots for rage clicks

>>714545398
I hope all online gaming becomes region locked so I no longer need to deal with third worlders.

>>714545639
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

It's a lobbyist group

>>714545639
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games
it's real
OP still a nog for rage farminging

>unsafe community content
???
what

This is who you're up against, anon. Do you really think you stand a chance?

>>714546294
Furthermore, I consider EA must be destroyed.

>>714544701 (OP)
Why did you leave contact info out?
I have some questions for them

>>714546294
>Do you have a chance
Only one way to find out

>>714546294
jesus

>>714546294
>Sqaure Enix

fuck lobbyists, fuck publishers, fuck drm, fuck landlords, fuck glowies, fuck capitalists

>>714546294
If nothing else at least they now have to waste money fighting a battle that they didn't need to fight before.

>>714545206
It's called a client, retard.

>>714547220
>stop killing clients

>>714547043
this
give me free shit
take from everyone richer than me and give their things to me instead

>>714546157
mods to remove black people/make women attractive, etc., you know - "unsafe"

>>714547330
and then take everything from you and give it to me because only me deserves it

>>714546294
>do you really think you stand a chance?
Yes.

>>714544701 (OP)
>private servers are not viable because we're no longer able to control what you're allowed to say

>>714547295
>I'm entitled to downloading and patching a client after the service shuts down because I just am okay?
There's a reason why you can basically wipe your ass with a ripped client, it's just assets.

>>714547560
so do i not actually own the game or...

>>714547463
Whatever happened to "online interactions not rated"?

>>714546294
I never had much hope in the first place. The whole thing is a giant longshot.

>>714547617
No. You bought a license for an account and they gave you a client that you connect to the service with.

>>714544701 (OP)
How exactly would you be liable for a server you literally have nothing to do with? It's ridiculous arguments like these that show they are just reaching for reasons to make sure this doesn't take off.

>>714547724
ok but how come i can still use windows xp even though support was officially dropped a decade ago. what makes a video game different

Is it really so hard to put a label in your game saying it will no longer work past a certain date?

>>714547814
>ok but how come i can still use windows xp even though support was officially dropped a decade ago.
nta that's a question for microsoft you dumbass

>>714547814
If you have physical installation files for an online game clinet and all the separate patches you can still install the base version, patch it and open the game, but you cannot login.

>>714547649
A longshot is better than no shot.

>>714545398
Those lucky fuckers
Meanwhile US players will be able to play with more South Americans

>>714547963
You don't understand, telling the consumer that they will lose access to their game after a certain date will harm sales!

>>714548210
Wouldn't VPN's bypass the region lock? Or would you need to insert your government ID to start playing your region locked game.

>>714546294
proof that Sony and Square are long past the og days. Nintendo too. We really need to accept that these companies are a shell of what they are and actually do something about this.

>>714547724
The customer doesn't know they bought a license though. Good luck reading the small text of pic related on the back of the box.

>>714545398
It would basically result in some gaymes not be ported, and some having a longer delays and thus smaller life spans.

>>714548375
for how long?

>>714546294
Reminded me of pic

>>714545398
Can't wait for the best version of games to be region locked because companies would rather made two versions of a game rather then a single version that is compliant both in the EU and abroad.

The EU beat Apple twice (forced them to do USB-C, forced them to open up their phones to alternate app stores)

they fear results

>>714548638
Don't forget replaceable batteries

>>714546294
Jesus Christ, it's fucking all of them.

>>714548375
Is this game not playable offline?

>>714548693
has anything come of that? That goes so counter to the way smartphones have been produced for the last decade that I wonder how that's going to be implemented.

>>714547220
Nah, that's the guys who come to see your mom.

>>714547724
>You bought a license for an account and they gave you a client that you connect to the service with.
Interesting, that should be illegal though nigger.

>>714546294
suddenly the weird haterboner these companies have against the Euros makes more sense.

>>714549143
>mmos should be illegal
You should not procreate, so better castrate yourself.

>>714549225
>>mmos should be illegal
Based
Yes

>>714545398
They would prefer that honestly.

Just looked for the baby's first online game, and all the whiners really didn't pay attention to the always online stamps plastered all over it. Virtue signaling faggots.

>>714547560
>it's just assets
Oh you dumb retard.

>>714549225
Didn't say that nigger. I bought a game, not a license. I'm entitled to play whenever I want, even 100 years in the future. Any effort to take that away with licenses should be illegal.

>>714549450
Yes the wow clinet for example is just a bunch of assets, everything is server side.

>>714549415
>didn't pay attention to the always online stamps plastered all over it. Virtue signaling faggots.
This is false because the game is no longer 'Always online'. Where's my game you fucking kike?

>>714549415
Doesnt say anywhere where the service ends.
You can now kys.

>>714548989
they're going to be absolute stingy faggots and make eu versions of the phone with the removable batteries but also make it extremely limited

>>714547617
Yes. Though if the game is a subscription service no because you have and expiry date on your license. Otherwise yes, you own your instance of the IP.

>>714549530
when*

>>714549225
I'd tell you yo do the same, but you're an MMO addicted faggot so it would be unnecessary.

>>714544701 (OP)
>we can't control consumers if they have private servers
Is this really the only argument they have?

>>714549525
Yeah the server shut down, so the client now may as well be useless. Better luck reading next time, nigger.
>>714549530
>online player 1
>always requires an online connection
Stupid nigger.

>>714546294
>Nicolas Vignolles
>SELL

>>714549743
So it's not always online then?

>>714549743
>online player 1
not my problem you retarded gorilla nigger

>>714544701 (OP)
Concord closing in 2 weeks was fair notice?

>>714544701 (OP)
>given fair notice
not an excuse.
>security
once you end support, its not your problem any more. you shouldnt be responsible for anything the community does with it.
>many things are already built a certain way
deal with it. new structural regulations happen all the time and facilities need to be altered or rebuilt all the time. same thing. get over it.
>its expensive to accommodate what is proposed
i sincerely doubt that. and again, once you end support, you shouldnt be held responsible for anything, so the costs that you're imagining in regards to that dont exist. and even IF theres an increase in cost, fucking deal with it you stupid piece of shit. stop being anti-consumer.

>>714549859
It's an online only game, you're just coping. Better start reverse engineering the server or cry for a rerelase. The service for an mmo ends when the upkeep cost is a net negative.
>>714549901
But it is your problem. What'd you expect the server to last forever?

there is no magic network backbone built from proprietary hardware needed to host the servers. a server is just a computer running the server software. simply releasing the server software and documentation will suffice.

>>714549965
>>714549530

>>714550113
Simply reverse engineer from scratch like the cmangos project. You're not getting shit for free nigger.

>>714550192
Baby's first mmo player seething and dilating. Cry harder.

>>714549225
There's no reason why you can't just have the basic bitch launch quests available if the service shuts down at the very least.

>>714549965
Guild wars still has servers running for twenty years. If they can do it so can ubisoft.

Or just put an expiration date on your game. The publisher already knew the exact date that the licenses would expire.

>>714545398

If only that would be true.

Sadly they will still keep slapping corposlop on our table.

t. Finnfag

>>714550263
There is a reason because all the quests are server side.

>>714547762
there is probably some legal shit behind it to be fair, if their name is on the product and people get hacked through it somehow, they could probably still get sued over that under current laws or something
but that's why this initiative is important to begin with, to figure out solutions to these edge cases and pass better legislation than we currently have
for the example above it could be as easy as the dev/publishers changing the intro splash screen/title screen to reflect that the product is no longer maintained and therefore not their liability anymore

>>714550329
How can private mmo servers do it then?

>>714550329
Damn better stop doing it that way I guess

>>714550329
Launch content is not big enough that it needs to be stored server side.

>>714548869
>Ubisoft is just Ubisoft in other areas.
lololololololol

>>714550381
They literally reverse engineered the game from scratch. The SQL database for cmangos and all the scripts, mmaps, vmaps are original code. They spawned in every npc manually, scripted every quest manually, everything you see when you compile a cmangos fork is original code.

>>714545398
>gape one portion of the world with state backing and diplomatic immunity
>sell watered down versions to the rest with removed content, micro trannies and the bare minimum for keep it running after the tax write off comes through
>this doesn't count the specialized editions for discerning patrons willing to pay the extra dollar for special privileges
If you're looking to recreate history this will be the way to do it.

I'm fine with mmos dying no ones making any new worthwhile ones anyways. And who gives a shit about live service or always online shit.

>>714550356
Lol no.
Example: You think microsoft could be sued because some hacker happened to use notepad to make their spyware? That's a product of microsoft after all.
You aren't responsible for how users use your software. Otherwise 4chan, Facebook, fucking myspace would be shut down the second someone posted illegal shit. Their are specific laws to protect against that exact thing.

>>714547762
>>714550356
If anything I think it's more a brand defamation/loss of revenue thing. Like people probably won't buy Demon Ferrets 2 if the original turned into a cubfur sharing service. Still dumb, though.

>>714550530
So fans can do it but modern devs are incapable?

>>714550634
Why would devs share their databases and scripts so you could host a scam pay to win server in some shithole to make bank?

>>714550634
They don't call it a competency crisis for nothing desu.

>>714550530
>spawned in every npc manually, scripted every quest manually
Honest question from someone who doesn't play MMOs, why can't that just be locally downloaded? A series of events saying x asset goes in (y,z) location with a script doesn't seem anywhere near as memory intensive as the actual assets and engine itself.

>>714550694
Because it's cheaper than keeping their servers running I guess

>>714550723
It's all server side bro. For quest events like npcs walking they have to manually add paths or specific coords for each step and a triggers for animation actions. Nothing is 1:1. The spells for example are mostly reverse engineered from old logs, so it's all guesswork.

Someone explained to me that these people are comparable to America's ESRB in power. Wouldn't such a huge group be the leading voice Government would listen to in regards to developer rights vs. consumer rights? As I understand it, they believe providing ways for private hosting for online-only games that shut down would be far too risky for the developer and would cannibalize sales of future entries. Overall wouldn't the Government just go with what stimulates the economy more, aka the devs?

>>714550694
>Buy online game license
>Game publisher cries about low profit margins
>Official servers shut down
>Game license is now unplayable
>Money stolen
How is that any better?

>>714550908
But why? Just include that data in the patch files if it doesn't have to phone home.

>>714551056
The patch files are assets for the client.

>>714550939
>Overall wouldn't the Government just go with what stimulates the economy more
that's literally what regulation is for

>>714550945
the publisher is not making money, why would they care if it's better or not

>>714551132
because otherwise they will eat massive EU fees not complying and be unable to release future products in the EU

>>714550945
>buy ticket to a service that you use often
>that service ends years later
>WTF MY MONEY WAS STOLEN

>>714551056
And if you made it client side you would have players manipulating and physically deleting or altering shit like they did in the early versions of wow where players deleted platforms to skip the whole raid instance and instantly get to the last boss.

>>714544701 (OP)
>but, when it does happen, the industry ensures that players are given fair notice of the prospective changes in compliance with local consumer protection laws.
Lol Lmao

>>714551181
then their solution will be selling you a license to host your own servers

>>714551194
>buy LotR DVD boxset
>years later New Line Cinema remotely disables it so they can sell me the blu-ray remaster
>this is good actually

>>714551194
Don't tickets normally tell you how many uses you get or the service has a set start and end date?

>>714550939
They would study it and find out if it would have as big of an impact as they claim. If they determine it would be better for customers and the impact would be minor then it would probably go through. To be fair modern games are fucking awful so forcing players to switch to the new slop is basically the only way they can make money these days.

>>714551421
Subscription based games kinda do that in a way with giving you the option to purchase "play time" for a certain amount of days.

>>714544701 (OP)
>No you don't understand, it NEEDS to be online, it can't work otherwise because it needs to.

>>714551293
then thats fine as long as the game isn't dead, if they try to do something like "$10000 per month per server :^)" they'll fine them a shitload for non compliance

>>714546294
Nah, I'd win.

>>714551220
Sounds like a game design issue.

>hey EU if you put our game servers in the hands of others they will be able to say bad things about nonwhites and good things about native Europeans and we can't stop them like you want us to
>>LE PETITION IS..... DISMISSED
gg, it will be that easy

>>714551702
More like player cope.

>>714551702
The technology to change it would cost twelve trillion dollars and 15 years of remote workers anon. It's just not possible.

>>714551672
anon beggars can't be choosers, ought to know that, legislation can put a hard number on those licenses but don't expect them to be cheap

>>714544701 (OP)
dont care

clean it up wagie and leave games in a playable state

>>714551854
If you throw out the point that there is no reason for devs to give you servers in the first place, you can ask yourself why would they waste time on a dead game that's shutting down instead of working on another project. Ain't no one ripping out proprietary licensed code, so a bunch of scammers can sell best items in the game for cash and the ip's reputation.

>>714545268
>"We have purposefully trained him wrong, as a joke"

>>714552003
>and tank the ip's reputation.
ftfm

Games should not last forever. They create a substitute and competitive good that competes with the company newest games.

Literally look at Skyrim vs Starfield.

Innovation can’t happen when you put such massive overhead on developers.

>>714546294
>Cinnamon Rogers

>>714551194
>Someone sells you a phone
>They push an update that makes it unusable after 2 years
>Lol using our firmware was just a service
>Just buy phone 2 what are you, entitled?

>>714552154
planed obsolescence

>>714552338
3g shutting down?

>>714552003
How about making a game that's fun to play for it's own sake and doesn't completely collapse when people buy just pay to skip stuff.

why are you niggers even talking about servers
this was supposed to be about DRM needing an online check
letting them shift the goalpost to be supporting dead MMOs is letting them choose a more favorable battleground

>>714552492
3g was given an end date years ago in any competent country and even then you can still use your phone minus calling

I work in controls and we had 3g for comms on a bunch of sites now those modems are straight bricked

>>714552154
Skill issue.

>>714552587
But pay to win shit in a project like cmangos is the result of players editing the database and adding a cash shop to a fair game.

>>714551815
just have SKG argue said corporations are antiwhite then.
Antieuropean.
Antiwestern.
EZ PZ.

>>714552673
So you can use your brick without the main function which is to call people? Nice self own bro.

>>714552023
stream that movie if you're so great champ.

>>714551616
>sweet greens
>lemon
HMMMM

>>714552778
Maybe if you had a 25 year old nokia but calling is not the main function of phones in 2025

>>714546294
why are whitoids such massive corporate cocksuckers?

>>714552492
The company that designed your phone shut down the 3g network?

>>714552857
Yeah I can change the graphics setting on my clinet, but I cannot use the service that I pay my ISP for.

>>714544701 (OP)
>we
funny when a cultist suddenly feel like the rest of the world is the enemy tribe

>>714545398
>euros spared from being fed slop
>get their own industry of small-scale non-service games popping up to fill the void in market
Stop, I can only get so erect.

>>714552953
A phone is just a custom client that connects to a centralized service of your choice.

>>714553143
They were even service locked in the past.

>>714552597
It has literally always been about support for EOL'd games since the start. Ross started the whole thing and that has been his crusade for like a decade plus at this point.

>>714552492
How does it stop me from using my phone?

>>714551194
>buy something sold as a good
>expect to to function like a good
>good stops working, told it was a service all along
And yes, licenses can be goods.

>>714545398
Too big to be ignored

>>714545398
So that's why Apple stopped selling iPhones in the EU after they got forced to use USB-C

>>714548210
Anon I regret to inform you those people are within the country.

>>714553345
It's a portable pc running android at that point. Nothing's stopping you from clocking hours on a client login screen, just like nothing is stopping you from using a "phone" that cannot connect to a service and make calls.

>>714553143
Yes, a phone and phone service are distinct. The service pushing a change that adversely affects the utility of the product isn't the same as the company that sold you the product pushing a change that adversely affects the usability product. That would be more comparable to your ISP disallowing gaming traffic than a game company shutting down your game.

>>714548869
Why Embracer as those Studios?

>>714544701 (OP)
so what is skg exactly?
they're trying to keep servers for dead games up?
tldr?

>>714548869
>Microsoft owns, Blizzard, Activision, and Activision | Blizzard. im on your side, but this list seems inflated in a deceptive manner.

>>714553484
The phone still gives me access to all features and still supports the advertised cellphone standards. A game doing the same would completely comply with SKG in its entirety.

>Just give control of your IP to moderators, modders, and players that may be pedophiles. Then when one of them gets caught by a pedohunter your game's name will be all over the news.
Gee I can't understand why corporations don't want this.

>>714544701 (OP)
>muh rights holders
I see a future where AI usage creates a post-copyright world. No more "rights". No more jewish lawsuits. It is a bright future, indeed.

>>714553625
So does a javaphone, but it's a useless brick. If your shitty phone cannot run anything other than 3g you might as well throw it into the trash.
>A game doing the same would completely comply with SKG in its entirety.
SKG is just a virtue signaling discord faggotry.

>>714553642
Corporations aren't human. Therefore they aren't entitled to human rights.

>>714544701 (OP)
corpos have no problem spending bloated budgets on half assed, bugged games with only pretty graphics and open world garbage to show for it. But apparently, giving the option for private servers is TOO expensive.

>Literally every company that has made the gaming industry worse is part of this group
TIME TO PUT OUR MONEY WHERE OUR MOUTHS ARE IF WE WANT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A HOBBY IN THE FUTURE

>>714553763
Not sure what retarded strawman you are arguing against. It's still fully accessible and still has all the features and still supports the standards you bought it for. Whether you personally see a use in it or not is none of my concern. You can suck a cock for all I care.

>>714551616
The problem is they are being forced to release proprietary server software that they use for all of their games, meaning every new service game will have to come with brand new software which will cost millions of dollars. This is basically going to kill games as a service, which is the only profitable means of gaming due to rising game costs, wages, and unions.

>>714553268
Fake news, it was about single player games having useless online functions; that when pulled will make the game unplayable, even though you never used those to play the game you bought.

>>714553763
>the phone is completely functional but there are no towers to connect to for communication with others
>if you built your own tower your phone and other phones could connect to it

>the game is completely playable but there are no official servers to connect to for playing with others
>if you host your own server your game and other game clients could connect to it

>>714554002
It cannot connect to service, therefore it's defunct. Just make your own 3g, just like when it comes to reverse engineering games. I can open up a game client for a dead game and fuck around with the settings, but i cannot connect to the server because it doesn't exist, unless someone reverse engineers it and I host myself or someone else does it for me.

>>714554062
Counter-point:
Quake didn't kill the server software for Quake 2, nor Quake 3, Doom 3 etc. which all have a certain level of similar networking capabilities.
>But it's different because of the leaps in technology
Then maybe there should be a re-evaluation on how we do server code then.

>>714544701 (OP)
It's afraid.

>>714554134
But it can. It fully supports the standard.

>>714554204
The standard that physically doesn't exist anymore?

>>714547453
cool modernist undercut haircut, trad larpius.

>>714545398
Good. That means the games will not be published there which means fewer global sales which will mean devs will focus on non live service garbage because the parent company sees the line go down on the graph.

>>714546294
>mfw I know my enemies are ontologically evil and there is no act against them which is wrong

>>714554242
Yes the phone still fully supports it.

>>714554446
How do you think reverse engineered private server work? You use an already existing client to connect to the private server.

>>714553642
Anon, here's over 800 fucking steam games that do exactly that.
See any of these in the news? No. Because that shit doesn't happen.

>>714554464
The phone you bought is still 100% accessible and feature complete.

>>714554563
Yet you cannot make calls with it because it doesn't support anything other than 3g or earlier.

>>714544701 (OP)
>we give fair warning there is absolutely fuck all you can do about the imminent end of service we designed to be leashed to our whims from the ground up
no shit
that's the point
stop making software designed to die
get ready to publish your back ends when its no longer commercially viable for your bloated corpse employing tens of thousands

>>714550261
It literally says ages 12 and up. That could be some kids first game and it's not reasonable for them to know that online only games can suddenly shut down. There should be a big fucking warning label and it should be listed as a game RENTAL.

>>714554630
And yet it is still 100% accessible and feature complete.

>>714549415
>"Never drive alone"
>Except when we stop you from driving

>>714554527
Those don't actually count.

>>714554703
That's a blatant lie.

>>714545398
Good, maybe they'll make less of those.

>>714554464
NTA but you seem to be retarded. Do you think people who support SKG would feel cheated by EA if they wanted to play Battlefield but their internet went out? No? Then what the fuck are you arguing?

>>714554758
Point out the lie and remember that your cellphone carrier shutting off 3G isn't related to your phone. If you shut off your router you also can't join a supcom multiplayer match.

>>714554669
It literally says "the first mmo driving game" on the box art.
>That could be some kids first game
Many such cases.

>>714554858
Cognitive dissonance, a cope.

>>714554924
I accept your concession.

>>714554952
>>714554563
>>714554703
>>714554924
demolished. Well done anon

>>714554952
>can't make a call, 100% functional by the way
You're a delusional nigger.

>>714555039
Just host your own 3g
;)

>>714553559
Activision Blizzard is the company that owns both Activision and Blizzard. I kid you not. Its kinda how Sega-Sammy owns the company named Sega.

>>714555105
So stop crying about you client not being able to connect to a centralized server anymore because it doesn't exist. Have fun changing the graphics and audio settings ingame. Just reverse engineer the game like cmangos did with wow.

>>714548503
A statement that real boomers didn't live by.

>>714546863
Kek

>>714554738
Kek, seriously? Why is that? Why don't over 800 live examples of exactly the server infrastructure we want functioning perfectly count?

>>714555039
You phone is absolutely capable of connecting and making calls in a 3G network.

>>714546294
>corpos are only bad when they're affecting what's personal to me
i'm proud you kids are fighting the good fight against the real enemy, but i hope you eventually realize their control over our lives isn't just isolated to gaming

>>714547220
if a client exists, then so do servers.

release the server code so players can host their own like in minecraft thanks

>>714555318
So is your mmo client, dipshit. It can still be used to connect to a server, but the server physically doesn't exist anymore.

>>714555326
>you can't play The Crew anymore
>>NOOOO STOP CONTROLLING MY LIFE

>>714555135
I could host my own little 3G network using open software standards, programmable sim cards and the right and rather cheap radio hardware. I'm also able to host my own server hardware. What's your point?

>>714555332
Anon we've already heard from REAL modern devs that it would take a billion dollars and twelve thousand outsourced manhours to do that. It's just not feasible in this day and age. Whatever Notch used is now Lostech.

>>714555527
Just make your sever from scratch then. Move on nigger, mmos don't last forever.

>>714555424
Wonderful than we just have to force publishers to release server binaries. That's easy. Your point?

>>714555527
>just host your own telecom infrastructure

>>714555582
>HAND OVER THE MMO SOURCE CODE UBISHIT OR I'M GONNA SHID MY PANTS
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>714555578
I did. What's your point? I have a standard cage in my closet.

>>714555601
And your phone could connect to it because it's in a completely fine working state.

>>714555657
And you will be forced to.

>>714555705
Slit your dick, GNU/male.

>>714555731
I accept your concession again. You will still be forced to release those binaries.

>>714555774
The only binary that you will see is the one written on your birth certificate.

>>714555806
That's wonderful but alas you will be forced to hand it over.

>>714555849
I would personally hand you over the rope, but you'll grab one yourself when the mmo devs dunk on your delusional tranny ass.

>>714553642
The IPs are already in the hands of pedophiles, thoughbeit.

>>714555561
>Anon we've already heard from REAL modern devs that it would take a billion dollars and twelve thousand outsourced manhours to do that.
Uh-huh.

>>714555932
They can dunk on it after they were legally forced to provide binaries.

>>714555657
you will kneel

>>714546294
This battle has already been lost in the US because Americans like to slurp corporate cock. EU is ironically the only hope despite being a bureaucratic juggernaut that takes forever to act.

>>714555970
You're not entitled to those scripts and databases. Learn2code or rope, I'm assume you'll do the latter because dare I say it based? ubishit already put you over the edge by shutting down that shitty mmo.
>>714556056
On your neck.

>>714555932
Hey man, why can City of Heroes do it but suddenly everyone else can't? Are you trying to defend your gay lover that's developing an MMO or something?

>>714555967
This will forever be the silver bullet over the "it's too hard/impossible" argument.

>>714555967
You don't understand anon. SimCity uses the power of the CLOUD™ to enable features like a tiny fucking 1km grid to build in. Hosting this locally would require NASA tier supercomputers. It just can't be done.

>>714556109
>why is a completely different game completely different?

>>714556103
>You're not entitled to those scripts and databases
I will be and you will bend the knee and kiss my hairy ass while you hand them over.

>>714544701 (OP)
>I think the reason you see things like Blizzard killing off Overwatch 1 is because the Lindy effect applies in gaming as well. Some things are so sticky and preferred that you have to commit atrocities to remove them from use.
>From a supply/demand perspective, if all of your customers are still getting high on the 5 (or 20) year old supply, launching a new title in the same space isn't going to work. There are not an infinite # of gamers and the global dopamine budget is limited.
>Launching a game like TF2 or Starcraft 2 in 2025 would be viewed as a business catastrophe by the metrics most AAA studios are currently operating under. Monthly ARPU for gamers years after purchasing the Orange Box was approximately $0.00. Giving gamers access to that strong of a drug would ruin the demand for other products.

>>714556180
>Literally "We can't make a better product than our previous one so we have to kill our previous product"
Line-goes-up fags need to be roped.

>>714555967
>>714556120
>simcity
what's the story here?

>>714556179
>>You're not entitled to those scripts and databases
Yes, now you can rope leunuch. No more copes or homoeroticism.

>>714556175
So you're just bad at programming? That's fine, you'll be replaced by Indians and AI anyway, then they can put this in from the start when this all comes into effect.

>>714556280
tl;dr: EA claimed that the game would be "impossible" to run offline. Someone proved that it could with some minor hacking and EA released a patch to allow for offline mode.

>>714548869
>Viel Feind, viel Ehr.

>>714556251
That's your business model with yearly releases, though. It's not even a better of quality. Companies just want you to buy the NEW game and not play the old ones forever.

>>714556280
It was all a lie. Some guy proved it by making it playable offline. All the online features were literally bogus anyway and we proved it when playing with my friend. The amount of traffic/citizens I was importing from his city didn't even come close to matching his actual population. They justified it being online only for "multiplayer" only for that function to be literally fake.

>Private servers are not always a viable alternative option for players as the protections we put in place to secure players’ data, remove illegal content, and combat unsafe community content would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
No. One. Gives. A. Shit.

>>714556180
>meanwhile every sequel ever released siphons players from the previous entry and nu-gamers flock to whatever the newest flavor of the month is anyway

>>714555967
I completely forgot about this debacle.
>EA demands the new SimCity is online only to force cashshop
>don't prepare proper infrastructure to support just launch players
>game is unplayable for days
>EA claims they can just remove always online as the game was developed around it
>game never regains inital audience and infact increases sales and visibility on cities skylines
>EA releases offline play in the final update a year later
Industry of bullshit artists.

>>714556438
>No. One. Gives. A. Shit.

Besides, you know, people with jobs and governments that rely on productive people to fund them

>>714556438
>No. One. Gives. A. Shit.
True, cry impotently about your dead mmo, you virtue signaling coping faggots.

>>714556532
>Besides, publishers and shareholders that rely on predatory practices to make money*
FTFY

>>714556059
>EU is ironically the only hope despite being a bureaucratic juggernaut that takes forever to act.
EU is weird. On one hand you have those retarded bottles caps engineered in the effort to save the turtles, and on the other shit like smartphone declarations clearly categorized and visible.

>>714544701 (OP)
So what's next, or was it block???

>>714544701 (OP)
>multi-faceted
AI slop press statement, stopped reading there

>>714544701 (OP)
It would not be expensive in anyway to make private server tools for the public when a game goes down at all.
It would take maybe 3-4 hours to be able to make public server tools for games.

This is just the corpo higher ups lying to you as usual as their plans of making you buy the next game by shutting down the previous ones would get shattered just like that.
Anyone claiming it would take time and be expensive is a lying retard.

>>714544701 (OP)
I don't see the source, faggot tranny OP

>>714556903
>It would not be expensive
you're shooting yourself in the foot and hurting profit prospects

>>714554062
>This is basically going to kill games as a service, which is the only profitable means of gaming due to rising game costs, wages, and unions.

Good, retard. Downscale the industry until its niche again.

>>714556904
>>714545998
>>714546078
OP was a dumbfuck and forgot to link it

>>714552154
Maybe make your next game better instead of worse, or at the very least make it good in a different way. It's nobody but the studio's fault if Civ 7 dies while Civ 6 keeps players.

>>714557208
>Maybe make your next game better instead of worse
Literally impossible anon. It just can't be done.

>>714557026
>What do you mean we can't force people into buying the next slop this is too expensive!!!

Kill yourself.

>>714544701 (OP)
this is the gayest movement I've ever seen in my life, and I've seen meatspin

>>714544701 (OP)
Is that the ESA? Aren't they USA based? Does it matter what they say?

>>714557043
nah. we're never going back because niche genres/games already exist for those people.

People who lie with a straight face like this need to be curb stomped by my foot.

even if they win you can just flatout refuse to buy games that you dont own. theyll stop being profitable, theyll stop doing this shit, and in the end you win.

Just sent it to Ross. He replied saying he's going to make a video response either today or tomorrow

>>714544701 (OP)
They aren't even pretending they read the initiative. Responses like this just makes them look stupid and greedy.

>>714557678
Will he do it with that RFK Jr impersonator again?

>>714546294
Yes

>>714557271
>what do you mean you're shutting down my mmo
>
>*dilates*

>>714557678
Neat. I hope that once this is all over the man can make the fourth follow-up episode that has been years too late.

I hate live service games and i hope Stop Killing Games kills them

>>714544701 (OP)
>we can't allow private servers because we couldn't censor them
Thought so.

A local server takes like a couple of hours to make.

It's the first thing thats made when developing a multiplayer game.
Corpo execs are lying niggers as usual as they're just crying they can't nickel and dime everyone into forcing them to play their latest slop and instead have to actually make the games worth switching to.

>>714544701 (OP)
>mfw industry just sidesteps the entire thing by putting a "this is an online-only game that could get shutdown after [extremely vaguely worded period of time]" disclaimer on the box
And you KNOW most people will not care one bit.

>>714557678
How busy is the Rosscord?

>>714544701 (OP)
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/news/statement-on-stop-killing-games/

>We appreciate the passion of our community,
>HOWEVER..

>the protections we put in place to secure players' data,
That data is ostensibly only being collected for billing purposes. Private servers have no reason to store personal data and players have no reason to provide it. Nice attempt at pretending to care about players' privacy though.
>remove illegal content,
Game publishers aren't law enforcement agencies; not an argument.
>and combat unsafe community content
I think this is their way of saying they don't want people expressing wrongthink in games, just in general lmao.
>[protections] would not exist and would leave rights holders liable.
Liable for what? Copyright holders are not liable for user-generated content. It seems they're equivocating copyright holders with service providers here.
>these proposals would curtail developer choice..
t. publishers
>..by making them prohibitively expensive to create.
This is already the case, which is why so many games are getting their plug pulled. The issue might never have come up if publishers weren't consistently failing to retain enough concurrent players to cover server costs om games they already sunk millions of dollars into. Skill issue, as they say.

>>714557916
>hard r
see you in 3 days bucko

>>714544701 (OP)
>when it does happen the industry ensures that players are given fair notice
Imagine for a second some lawmakers deciding to end this shit by making companies able to end their online games but having to give their users the amount of money they spent on the game (including dlc content) as store credit for other games and extra content, imagine it for one second.

>>714544701 (OP)
>private servers are not always a viable alternative
THEY WERE UNTIL YOU REPLACED IT WITH MATCHMAKING
This only reminds me of the debacle with MW2 and holy fuck does it is infuriating to see these corporations defend their current practices that was cause by their own doing.

>>714557916
>let me play the crew!
>
>I'm a woman
>(male)

Imagine being lolbertarian.

>>714558032
A community server for The Crew is coming out sometime in the summer.

the problem with SKG is that it enables customers to continue making shitty choices.
that it really. if anything this'll ensure that people never wake up to the GAAS scam and we keep getting FOMO games forever because "w-well they gave me a watered down private server for EoS! that means they're good"

>>714557976
Getting banned for saying nigger is a badge of honour.

>>714548989
that law goes active in 2030 afaik

>>714558146
one (1)

>>714558253
*honor

>>714558171
Ubishit should strike down the repo, so the whole thread dilates in unison. That'd be based and redpilled.

>>714557968
they also said they give fair notice of shutdowns but thats bullshit when we have had multiple games shut down the damn week they release

>>714544701 (OP)
>b-but it would be so hard and expensive!!
I don't care. Figure it out.

>>714556059
>EU is ironically the only hope despite being a bureaucratic juggernaut that takes forever to act.
That's the main reason why initiative have chance.
You cannot bribe local warlord like in Russia or USA and end the whole process.

>>714558324
Nice job outing yourself as a mutt.

>>714545398
companies will cave if Europe ends up supporting this because in reality it would cost them nothing and they are just resistant because of FOMO of any part of their potential profits of their yet to be imagined future projects

>>714558362
because ubisoft definitely needs more bad pr

>>714556754
What's wrong with those bottles caps? I think they are neat because it's impossible to lose them.

>>714558479
I don't give a shit about ubishit's pr, it's what these faggots deserve.

>>714558261
it's actually 2027
and the EU made the law shitty so it won't change anything for smartphones after all. see https://repair.eu/news/making-batteries-removable-and-replaceable-a-closer-look-at-the-new-eu-guidelines/
i'm not shitting on SKG here but i think people are expecting way too much. i think something similar might happen with it.

>>714556353
>>714556473
Everyone plays up the "next game is DEAD because everyone is going to keep playing the old one", but in reality that's just not the case. Existing players + new players always move onto the next release. People who actually stick with older titles are a minority. Should they nuke all traces of Battlefield 2 from the internet because some diehards are still playing it on private servers, for example?

>>714546294
>>714546294
It begins

>>714558198
How would there be fomo if the community is able to continue providing the content?

>>714558498
I think people are just retarded and don't realize they're meant to be locked in place sideways

>>714558643
because the company would ensure that you only get a watered down version of the experience and use legality to fuck you over if you try to grant premium content or make your own.

>>714554062
>NOOOOOOOO THINK ABOUT THE CORPORATION'S PROFITS
Let me guess, American.

>>714558498
I have never lost a bottle cap. It adds new problems to solve a non-problem.

>>714557968
The word unsafe has really been watered down and muddled over this last decade, huh? Used to mean something that was actually hazardous to you, and now it's mostly a word for shithead corporations to hammer your legal use of their product with.

>>714554062
>which will cost millions
Unbelievably retarded and clueless

>>714558708
There's no legal leverage to punish people on EoL.
>they unlocked infinite premium currency!
Well you aren't selling that currency anymore are you?

>>714554062
>which will cost millions of dollars.
You can easily cover it by cutting off managers bonus paychecks

>>714558783
I doubt you've never dropped a bottle cap on the filthy ground in your life.

>>714558198
Customers will always continue to make shitty choices, the rise of streaming services and the fact we are here is a good indication of that.
At least their shitty choices will rot in their library until they get the itch to play it as a reminder of their choices rather than be gone forever.

>>714544701 (OP)
Haha. Faggots.

The main problem is this place is full of zoomers who literally grew up with always online, digital only games. They never experienced LAN matches or hosting your own server for games. Despite that being the norm in the past, they think it's impossible because companies told them so.

>>714549734
What the fuck are they doing with Monster Hunter? That shit literally looks like porn bait.

So, place your bets which USA official will threw a tantrum about this first.

>>714545398
NOO WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO MY CUNTWARS 2: ELECTRIC GOONALOO ACCOUNT NOW?

>>714559094
That's not Monster Hunter.

An AVGN clip that is relevant to this whole thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evgvztBY6uA

>>714545398
Too big a market to close off. Most of the good things that have changed in the industry have come because the EU took a stance on it. IIRC Valve's refund policy started because Australia was demanding it but Valve were willing to just stop selling in Australia since it's a small market, until the EU joined in and they had to accept.

>>714556754
>On one hand you have those retarded bottles caps engineered
Those caps were designed under the assumption that most people are too retarded to throw them away alongside the bottle, which is mostly true.

>>714558498
I never lost one and always recycled, but now I just yank the cap off and toss it away, and squash the bottle into normal garbage cans out of spite.

>noo think of the poor live service games
Rattle em boys

>>714547642
Some hole cried on TV about being "raped" in GTAO and then got a job co-writing slop for Sony some how.

>>714554062
>meaning every new service game will have to come with brand new software which will cost millions of dollars.
Source for this claim. No, I won't just trust you bro.

>>714560269
The video of the actual incident is funny. I dunno how you can get so worked up over it, at most you would go "Well fuck that" and log off.

>>714545398
if they want to miss out on billions of revenue, in place of not spending few thousand bucks at the eos, be my guest.

>>714549137
Kek

>>714560339
>I dunno how you can get so worked up over it
Pretend for 5 minutes you are a woman and you will have your answer

>>714545398
Good. I see it as something exclusively beneficial. When I buy something, I buy it to use it until I wrung it dry, not until some wanker from coastal city decides to turn off the servers. I want to play the game at my pace. If the game's design penalizes me for taking prolonged breaks then it is clear to me the game is not there for my enjoyment but to squeeze out every bit of resource out of me through FOMO. One egregious example I remember was with FFXV Dream Egg... just WHY?

>>714544701 (OP)
To be fair, if those are the arguments they will be using, we have this one in the bag, because none of those arguments hold any water.
Things are the way they are because the publisher DESIGNED them to be this way.

>>714558675
I usually just rip them off

>>714545398
Given that most good games nowadays come for Europe anyway, that's really not an issue for us.

What's the best case scenario for this? As a first step I was thinking that as soon as an online game is announced, an end of life plan is also laid out in detail so that they're legally obliged to follow it. In the past this was something you had to hound developers into saying and even then they'll just say "there's a plan" there's no plan.

>>714561158
The best case scenario would be the EU telling the chucklefucks that go "in additions many titles are designed from the ground-up to be online-only" to fucking STOP DESIGNING THE GAMES THIS WAY. There is no reason for games that allow for singleplayer experience to be online only.

>>714561158
>total triple A death
>total asset store indieslop death

>>714561158
I don't think they'll need to disclose what their end-of-life plan is. They'll just need to let people know prior to when it shuts down, like 6 months before.

>>714561534
That won't help, because the initiative demands to leave the game in a "playable" state. So at the very least they would need to patch in some offline mode.
I expect MMOs would be exempt from that, because nobody expects the corporation to change the MMO into a LAN-based singleplayer, but shit like LOL or hero shooters? The servers can just be set up locally.

>>714550573
That is certainly what SOME people want to do though and these people know (and support it). So yea, they want to limit what the end user can do, just to make sure they don't get in trouble once the law changes to make them culpable in what happens with the software.
>Now remember kids, spy on your neighbor that also plays this game and report him when he says the naughty thing so that the game can continue to run.

>>714546294
>shit slop makers
>and few no names
lol lmao even

>>714561158
I think that best course of action would be for whiny faggots like Ross to learn how to read.

>>714561778
No, I mean I think the scenario is that all the games will have proper end-of-life plans, it's just that they won't want to disclose what exactly it is until they near that date. There are going to be many types of end-of-life plans and some of them might involve making the game much cheaper, making it free-to-play, releasing a version of the game with all of the microtransactions available for free, and so on, and it'd be best for them to not disclose something like that.

>>714562057
But that's exactly what's happening now and that's exactly as predatory as it sounds.
>have a 80% discount on this one live service game, it's on us
>psych, we are shutting down the server in a week, the game will be unavailable afterwards, thank you for your money.
Nobody is going to buy that shit.

>>714545398
It won't pass into regulation. Video game is not essential industry.

>>714561960
Ubisoft should learn what MMOs are before labelling functionally singleplayer games with that descriptor.

Boy the signature rate sure has slowed the past 24 hours, huh?

Hopefully it doesn't decrease in rate as much today as it did yesterday, or getting to 1.2m signatures, let alone 1.3, might be difficult

>>714562249
Except it's not because currently the game gets KILLED as opposed to no longer getting updates.

>>714562338
Cry harder about you faggy mmo. Ubishit owns you nigger.

>>714562350
Dude, we are already at 1.15 million. We're good. Unless the signature count drops completely we should easily gather at least 1.4 million.

>>714562350
Consider it is only 10am for most EU countries, this isn't a bad day.

>>714561778
Subscription-based MMOs get to keep operating completely as-is. They are services and they are sold exactly as such. You know exactly when your access will end from the moment you pay.
Anything that's a one-time fee, (e.g. Guild Wars 1 and 2) would have to provide some type of server binary for users to fuck with themselves after the shutdown date.
And anything that's F2P with micropay would... mostly have to take the server binary option as well. Weirdly enough, because those micropay cosmetics and shit (should) still count as digital goods, sold in-perpetuity to the user.

>>714548869
>half of Take Two is Rockstar
GTA is carrying them hard

>>714562574
Also, it's Saturday morning. People have better shit to do than signing singatures.

Mogged by ubishit. Pathetic faggots.

>>714562657
>Have internet
>Game doesn't work
>Money stolen.

>>714548058
then I want the hooks to write my own server architecture

>>714562695
>ubishit mmo shut down
>it means I got raped by ubishit
Makes sense, and it's a good thing.

>>714562594
That sounds like a reasonable way to do it. Also it clears up the air with regards of what is a purchase and what is a licence.
You pay a one-time fee? It's a purchase, fuck you, the law applies.
You pay subscription? It's a licence.
Let's see how many consumers would be eager to pay subscription for a fucking singleplayer game.

>>714545398
>Burgers forced to play with third worlders
lel

>>714544701 (OP)
Kek what the fuck is that reasoning. Private servers dont work because we have 100 different bloat services to censor and compile data for sale.
Remove them then you fucking nigger morons. Fucking hate reading bullshit for braindead retards

>>714546294
>Do you really think you stand a chance?
RULES OF NATURE

>>714562794
You gotta be careful with the "license" language because it applies to all media. Books you own, movies, music are all "licensed copies" in the legal sense. Games are exactly the same. We should instead be using calling them "goods" and "services" as appropriate. Because no matter what SKG accomplishes, all games will sill be sold as licensed copies.

>>714556352
hell yeah brother

>>714546294
I know who to boycott/pirate now thanks to that list!

>>714545398
We can only hope.

>>714546294
>No Valve
It still is funny to me that despite EU/Australia having to slap Steam to give refunds, Valve still continues to be the lesser of all other evils.
Fuck, most of their games are already SKG compatible, even going further with games like TF2 which now have an SDK to make forks of that can be advertised and downloaded on Steam.

>>714545398
>no more slop for europeans
I should move to Europe

>>714545398
maybe a few asian shitty ones.

EU is too big to ignore.If you target the west ( USA + Europe) there is enough money to justify extra work to satisfy legislation. Also i think they only need to release an "offline mode" only when they close the server so they can delay the expense for years.

>>714547649
That article is wrong btw. The study says that it can't draw any of the conclusions with the methodology they used and that they basically wasted 3 years and tons of taxpayer money on this shit. The whole "no impact" part is just retarded media reposting tweets without reading the actual study.

>>714544701 (OP)
>all that shit we do that everyone hates is why we can’t make it good anymore

Maybe you retards should have signed a “stop bad games being made”, because there’s no good games to save.

>>714544701 (OP)
shut up filthy merchant! SKG will reign supreme!
The /v/olk have spoken!

>>714545398
win win in my book

>>714554065
That's PiateSoftware's narrative and something Ross explicitly debunked: it's not about always online single player games alone since those are only a small fraction.

>>714547330
What do lobbyists contribute other than ruining everything with greed?
I CAN understand landlords provided they do decent maintenance of their tenements and such, but oftentimes that seems not to be the case and they just sit around getting money while doing absolutely nothing

>>714563648
Valve's yet to ever shut down any of their games that I know of. Even Ricochet is still playable, and afaik their autochess game is.

They might have ended support for some games earlier than they should've, but that's a different story, I mean atleast you can play Artifact, but Valve screwed over the Artifact fanbase by cancelling the Artifact 2.0 beta without even allowing users to invite friends like they said they would in January 2021 and does not deserve your financial support for these gross consumer-unfriendly practices.

>>714564464
I was wondering when you were going to show up in these threads. I'm glad you got the level headed approach of "Valve still fucked up, but at least it's playable".

>>714550113
>a server is just a computer running the server software
What fucking decade did you crawl out from?
The 90s called anon, unspike your collar.

>>714564553
It's true though, I can turn my Debian server into a workstation if I wanted to with a few package tweaks and network settings.

>>714553642
>Just give control of your IP to moderators, modders, and players that may be pedophiles
Not demanded, where the fuck you getting this from?

>>714564553
You're right. Anon forgot to mention it's a computer attached to a series of tubes.

>>714544701 (OP)
>it's too hard :(
Don't these companies have billions to throw around or something?

>>714564553
>this anon doesn't know that Cloud is just somebody else computer

>>714564667
What do you think "IP" is?

>>714561158
>What's the best case scenario for this?
Forced dedicated servers for online games. Sharing abandon-ware gets decriminalized.
>2nd best scenario
All live service games are no longer allowed to use term "purchase" or "buy", only "rent"

>>714544701 (OP)
Who is "we"... i'm not part of your tranny crusade

>>714546294
I hope all of them fucking die

>>714565006
Only trannies and furries are against SKG. PirateSoftware is a furry degenerate.

>>714565057
i'm not a tranny or furry and I don't give a fuck why this e parasite celeb is being posted. Stop screeching about it.

>>714565128
>i'm not a tranny or furry
Yes you are. Everyone who is against SKG automatically is. Now go back to your discord, sir.

>>714565003
>Forced dedicated servers for online games
spotted the antisemitic person

>>714565160
I don't use discord or even know what SKG is. Fuck off

meanwhile Guild Wars 1 is running on fucking peanuts and will probably never gonna die unless ArenaNet as a whole is bankrupt, but even then they might just transfer it.

>>714565264
B-but think of the shareholders

>>714565198
>or even know what SKG is.
So why are you in this thread? Feel free to leave if you don't want to talk about the thread subject matter.

>>714565386
>if you don't like it don't buy it
again fuck off

>>714544701 (OP)
>we welcome the opportunity to discuss our position with policy makers and those who led the European Citizens Initiative.

Can the Mold Man take them on?

>>714544701 (OP)
>making these video games prohibitively expensive to create
funny how it used to be the standard way of making games but now it's simply impossible because of the scale and costs involved. despite games being significantly cheaper to make back then. the enshittification of everything continues i guess. you can't even say we're going backwards because things unironically used to be better

>>714565524
Moldman isn't the policy maker, it's actual professional political people who know their shit, which would make it funnier.

>>714547963
>saying it will no longer work past a certain date?
No consumer will care

>>714544701 (OP)
>The shithead corporations we're trying to stop don't want us to stop them from doing the exact stuff we want them to stop doing.
Who cares? They're the faggots we're spanking in the first place. Of course they're going to piss and moan.

>>714549523
>doubles down on his idiocy
You fucking idiot.

>>714546157
>we can't have private servers because someone might use the n word and we wouldn't be able to ban them
The modern world is so fucking gay

>>714565804
Cope harder you retarded faggot.

>>714565879
>he thinks the client is dumb and "just assets"
Dumb fucking retard.

>>714545398
LMAO not a fucking chance, corpos are WAY too greedy

>>714546294
>Gigs Karen and the league of feminists and allies
........how.....how can defeat such a force

>>714565940
Everything in wow is server side you retarded fucking nigger.

>>714546294
i hope all these companies go bankrupt

>>714565524
Unlikely. If he agreed to do some video talking with one of these people they'd run circles around him, twist everything he says, if not outright lie to his face about things he wouldn't know, to the point where he wouldn't even remember what the original argument was. I'm sure Ross has taken a lot of time to read about this stuff but he's not a lawyer.

HOLD FAST BROTHERS
THE YOKE OF THE OPPRESSOR PUBLISHER WILL BE BROKEN
THE DARK YEARS OF TERROR WILL FADE
DAWN WILL COME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5zg_af9b8c

>>714565489
Keep sucking that corporate cock, tranny.

>>714545398
>EU region lock
>no south americans or chinese cheaters who got lost on their way to the NA sever
>no russians
>no turks
Paradise.

>>714550470
Creativity is difficult, please understand.

>>714563648
>EU/Australia having to slap Steam to give refunds,
Another example for how terrible customer protection laws are and how nothing ever happens.

>>714567202
Unfortunately 3rd worlders like Russia and China use VPNs.

>>714567202
>70% of players insist on just speaking German

>>714567358
>Laws are pointless because police still have to catch criminals!
Brown hands typed this post.

>>714547463
and kowing the EU that's going to be enough to kill the initiative.

>>714554062
>when you release your software you lose the rights and can't reuse it again
What is this retardation? Blizzard still owns Diablo 2, even after 20 years of giving it to people and it having an easy way of hosting your own severs.

>>714558905
>>714557043
>>714554182
You are a bunch of monkeys for engaging with this horseshit as if it had even a kernel of truth in it.

>>714553642
Do I control the Doom IP because I can play it without any involvement of its developers? If so when do I get my royalties for that newest abortion of a Doom game?

>>714563648
>Works with Sweet Baby Inc
>less of all other evils
they're just as evil

>>714558198
You're free to make a "outlaw everything I dislike and make me the queen of retardland" petition.

>>714567635
I'm not saying they aren't evil, Valve has done a ton of shit well... shit, but at least when I play their games, I'll know there will be someway to play them even if Valve themselves aren't around.

>>714561960
>b-but we kinda hinted that we're going to fuck you over
The goal is to make fucking the customers over illegal. Also those frauds already got scared and put an offline mode into the crew 2, so don't act like it's impossible.

>>714546294
Computer, do an Early Life check on all these people

>>714562657
>surely putting a sticker on our box will make the law not affect us
Sorry, anon. That's not how it works. I tested it by putting a "goes over the speedlimit" sticker on my car.

>>714567643
since you're bad at reading between the lines, im actually advocating for less laws.

>>714567749
>this mmo shut down
>it's literally rape
Cry harder.

No game needs to be online-only. Not one.

>>714567765
>he needs the computer

>people actually defending corpo slop
the absolute state of contrarians for the sake of being a contrarian

>>714567376
Kein Problem für mich.

>>714567794
It's exactly how it works. They're required to put the information on the box by law. Maybe you should learn to read before making a purchase.

>>714564553
Yeah, he's acting as if you don't need a specific World of Warcraft card directly from the world of warcraft factory crafted out of world of warcraft material in order to host a world of warcraft server. Which also needs to be powered by world of warcraft energy.

>>714567837
No one's actually defending it. There's just lobbying for it but you can tell every normal real person is against it. The lobbying is trying to make you feel like some people are seriously against it.

>>714567947
>It's exactly how it works.
Nope, still got a speeding ticket.
>by law.
The petition hasn't passed yet, so the law in question doesn't exist yet.
>learn to read before making a purchase.
You will need to make your game playable in a reasonable state when you turn your servers off. The sticker won't save you.
People in Europe have actual rights when it comes to them interacting with companies, so the EULA saying some gay shit that infringes upon those rights doesn't work.

>>714564247
Whatever you say shill

>>714568103
>>by law.
>The petition hasn't passed yet, so the law in question doesn't exist yet.
You're so retarded it's unreal. I cannot fucking believe how much of a fucking retard you are. Not only can you not read, but you can't even comprehend the fact that the trampstamps on the box art are required by law.

>>714545398
Do consolefags really.

>>714562657
>Have internet
>Try to login
>*crickets
That stamp doesn't cover this problem at all.

To any retarded shills or naysayers who say that "oh they will just region lock EU" or "they won't sell it in the EU then".

Not even fucking Apple could ignore the EU market and caved in. It's literally 2nd/3rd world's biggest economy.

>>714568331
Cretin.

>>714544701 (OP)
>protections we put in place to BLAH BLAH BLAH
Hey fuckass EULA fans, here's a trick for you
"Online interactions not rated"
"We're not liable for whatever happens on private servers"
Microsoft doesn't have to pay for people getting hacked on unsupported OS either
God I hate corpos

>>714568606
>sell someone a car
>car needs central server to work
>shut server down 3 months after selling the car
>car is bricked
You'll either have to refund all the money or make the car run without online updates. No amount of "b-but I said it might happen at an undetermined date in the future" is going to save you, shill-kun.

>>714544701 (OP)
>alternative option hard
So this is the power of lobbyists...

>>714568961
>muh car
It's an mmo, dipshit.

>>714568674
Unfortunately the EU doesn't work that way.

There is nothing to save.
Having dedicated servers for these games isn't going to make them more playable. It's just garbage that you have more ownership of now. You're not fighting for gaming to be saved. You're fighting for people with shit taste that cannot read. When alternatives are presented you'd rather suck off EA and Ubisoft, the big baddies of the industry. Has there been anything of worth coming out since Titanfall 2 by either? Same with Activision. You're not changing their standards, you're just telling them "I'll buy your slop as long as I get to play it always". I'd rather hang myself than play their garbage for all eternity. The Crew is shit. We need less, not more of that. Some games should no longer be playable on the basis that they're low quality garbage and there's much more out there. Your choice of buying garbage is directly affecting where the industry is going, they think there's demand for such garbage, and now all we have is garbage. Modern Warfare 2 is now fully playable with dedicated servers. Who plays that shit anymore? Nobody, that's who. If you want to fight for something, keep people away from shitty games. Do your part in convincing them not to purchase stuff. Make sales go down. Present alternatives and just actively keep people away from the garbage. At the end of the day all these corporations care about is money, and they'll screw you whichever way -you- want in the end, as long as there's money in there. They'll be like Apple "oh we're sorry, we'll just fix it right here, there's your USB-C port- oh what's that, it's capped? not as good? well you asked for it!". You definitely have freedom in choosing how to get raped.

>>714557208
civ 7 lets me play a strong woke black queen as leader of america. i don't think civ 6 offers that option

>>714569069
Classic Wow was first a private served made by fans. There is no technical limit to hosting private servers.

>>714569239
>Modern Warfare 2 is now fully playable with dedicated servers. Who plays that shit anymore? Nobody, that's who.
Then that's how it should die, not by arbitrary choices by publishers.
I can bet you any money there are times no one is playing some old ass ps2 game's multiplayer, should that mean it should never be available for LAN or ad-hoc connection for shits and gigs?

>>714550470
Rockstar is just differently colored logos

>>714569239
>There is nothing to save.
Plenty there to save. You zoomer trannies are just used to playing casual mobile shit instead of real video games.

>>714569428
>should that mean it should never be available for LAN or ad-hoc connection for shits and gigs?
If preventing this from happening means sucking dick, yeah I think I can live without that. Plenty of other fun things to do. In the case of games, millions.

>>714569421
>There is no technical limit to hosting private servers.
Yeah you totally don't have to reverse engineer everything from scratch. Fucking retard, you have no idea what cmangos is.

>>714546294
GDPR , mandatory usb c, etc. still got passed despite it being against the whims of the most powerful companies in the world.

>>714569239
What I don't get is why when presented with the option to lose a game forever or to simply have it around in a handicapped form, you choose the former.
If the end result is the same altogether, then why not lean towards the one that allows us to keep our stuff?

>>714569569
>If the end result is the same altogether
That's the issue here

>>714569604
But that's not really an issue, is it? Nothign changes really, besides the fact that you will be able to play a game you paid for already.

>>714569567
HDMI 2.1 DRM exists because of these anti SKG Jews.

>>714552597
Games arbitrarily locked behind a server requirement is still DRM, just with extra steps.

>>714569536
lmao tranny can't even host his own MMO servers what a casual faggot

>>714545398
>no shitskins, mutts or chinks
Deal, in fact region lock the fucking internet

>>714569652
How naive is this?

>>714567965
>wow
>a modern game
Get off the computer gramps

>>714569738
>yeah the repos just popped up magically, it's not like it's years of labor making everything from scratch
Anyone can compile a server and host it after the work's already been done. Kill yourself nigger.

>>714569239
>It will pass but it changes nothing
Every time with your kind.

>>714569837
WoW still uses MySQL which is every relevant today.

>>714569991
No it changes. It changes the hole in your body that dick is going to fuck.

>>714569850
>Anyone can compile a server and host it
So theres no issue for players to keep private servers of abandoned games, SKG is right all along. Thanks for clarifying!

>>714569817
Well what issues would arise from enforcing developers to prepare for end of service?
How would the market enworsen or consumer be affected negatively?

>>714570274
The devs are not gonna hand you over the scripts and databases so you can host your pay to win scams, retard. How is a nigger such as yourself gonna host a server for year dead game if you can't clone a repo and compile? You're not gonna reverse engineer a game from scratch.

>>714570274
SKG has nothing to do with fan projects. You're just a bunch of virtue signaling faggots who watch an autistic, dysgenic jewtuber. You even claim that it's nothing retroactive, or is it just a bunch vague bullshit that suits your needs depending on the situation like everything else?

>>714544701 (OP)
>In addition many titles are designed from the ground up to be online only

Bitch every game in the industry is now Unreal or Unity
Disabling online is literally a check box in the engine itself

>>714570713
It's not retroactive. It couldn't be even if we wanted it to, which we do, because that's not how these sorts of laws work.
They probably won't even need to start implementing shit until years after whatever law is passed.

>>714570383
>The devs are not gonna hand you over
You just said anyone can do it. So which is it? Make up your mind tranny.
>>714570713
Keep seething resetard. Go back to crying to your mommy Sony how you fanboys are mistreated.

>>714565057
>only [my insane headcanon] are against SKG
stfu brownie, you don't speak for furGODs

>>714571084
Fuck off and die of leprosy, furfag.

>>714571005
Cmangos is an open source server emulator, you stupid shitskin. And now I'm sönygger? You're the most retarded nigger ITT.

>>714571178
go be brown somewhere else. This only concerns White people

>>714545268
exactly
making shitty games prohibitively expensive to create is a massive win
put those artists and engineers to work on good games, instead

>it's not always a viable alternative because...we do our best to try and make sure it's not always a viable alternative
>even then, it usually is a viable alternative, but what if a heckin gamer says nigger?

>>714570984
Still no roadmap after a year, not a single solution set in stone. Virtue signaling faggotry. Go watch jewtube and tell your father that it's spelled "video games", not "videogames".

nothing ever happens
things will be the same or worse 2 years from now
give up

>>714546294
>This is who you're up against, anon. Do you really think you stand a chance?
Microsoft is the only company there that is in the same weight-class as Meta, Google, and Apple. All three of which have already been made the EU's bitch.

>>714571524
>Still no roadmap
You expect the legislators to start working on it before the initiative is presented to them?

>>714571409
It's about muh children actually because for an online only game they need to verify the age of players by law since it's an online only environment.

>wahh games are expensive to make
Nah it's all these companies fault at shit management and planning. You don't need 7 years of pre production for ONE title, that's madness.

>>714571607
>implying you faggots have anything to present
Vote harder.

>>714558261
>>714558538
>it's actually 2027
It's 2027 for requiring all phones being sold to have replacable batteries.
It's actually mid 2025, i.e. NOW, for new phones entering the market to be designed with replacable batteries in mind. The law was designed with a two-year period of leeway to get rid of existing stock, basically.

>>714544701 (OP)
>You can't change the laws on this because that would contradict the existing laws
HUH?!

>>714545398
Good luck convincing a board of shareholders that not releasing your game in the entire EU just because you are too lazy to do an EoS plan is a good idea.

>>714571191
>You can't make private servers!
>Anyone can make private servers!
>Only devs can make servers!
>Anyone can make private servers!
I think this bot is broken.

>>714544701 (OP)
If toggling off telemetry is "prohibitively expensive," then go out of business. You don't have the right to be in business.
There's strawberry fields, right now, that need pickers. These people should do that instead.

>>714571765
You're too brown to follow this conversation.

>>714544701 (OP)
>illegal content
No such thing.
Data Über Alles

>>714571842
You're too trannoid to understand words.

>>714571865
They're worried that people will share piracy links through private servers

>>714570303
Corporations try to shift every bit of pain they get to the customers in some way if they can get away with it. What makes games costing more right now completely legitimate and not just arbitrary? They could just do that but worse. Increasing the price of popular games that are shit but bought no matter what, and then the rest just fucking die off. Start killing games by way of not selling anymore and a lack of incentive. And don't tell the european union about kids accessing private game servers, because holy shit.

>>714544701 (OP)
>group staffed by corporate employees
gee I'm totally sure they're not on the consumer's side, like the friendly RIAA and MPAA lawyers that drafted the DMCA that continues to assrape the internet to this day due to being made solely to suit corporations

>>714558708
>use legality to fuck you over if you try to grant premium content or make your own
Taking away your purchased premium content is illegal.
The recent EU guidance document on application of existing consumer rights legislation to purchase of virtual currency and digital content has one of its 7 core principles dedicated to banning terms of contract that grant the publisher the right to unilaterally remove access to purchased content.

>>714571876
You're brown and stupid (brown).

>>714546294
I would rather have Islam than women in government / decision making positions.
Neither would be preferable, but if you're gonna force my hand...

>>714545398
That's a huge market to lock yourself out of instead of just not putting the noose around your games' neck in the first place. I doubt most companies are that spiteful, they're there for the money.

>>714571945
You're tranny from Resetera.

>>714559404
Trump. Always Trump.
Doubly so Trump, because Musk retweeted it.

>>714571992
>sönygger
>trannyera
Anything else brownoid retard?

>>714572045
>Admits to being a tranny.
And there it is. Just further proves that anyone who is against SKG is automatically without exceptions a tranny or a furry.

>>714544701 (OP)
I don't want their shitty service to stay online
I just want the fucking server.exe and files needed to set up my own server on my own PC so I can keep playing
that shit doesn't take more than 15 minutes max

>>714563089
>Books you own, movies, music are all "licensed copies" in the legal sense.
Not in the EU.

>>714572089
Total retard. Compile a wow server and play around with the sql database, maybe you'll raise your IQ by a standard deviation.

>>714545398
The market cap for video games is over 25 billion € in Europe a year. You are a dumb retard for thinking those huge companies will stop selling their shit in the EU. What will happen is they are going to develop their games with the EU policies in mind and release a compatible version for all regions. Nobody cares about making region specific versions anymore since it’s quite a hassle and video game consumers are the most retarded consumer base there is who will eat up anything that you shove down their throats

>>714572304
Basically this. Non-EU players will eat it up since they don’t have any rights.

>>714546294
>Whites and Jews unite for shekels
A tale as old as time

>>714566240
>he's not a lawyer
He has legal consult though, which was also tapped to draft the ECI's text to begin with.
And he has software developers in his circle that can testify as experts. The actual boots-on-ground types that know how shit works at a technical level and don't want to see their work burned by publishers any more than consumers do.

>>714571901
>What makes games costing more right now completely legitimate and not just arbitrary?
Nothing, it is compeltly arbitrary and why theyr're facing so much backlash from consumers over it. But at the end of the day, it is a free market, and if these companies (msotly AA or above) keep insisting to be assholes, then it's bound to fail again against smaller devs as it's been happening last years.
All this new laws would do is that these big devs have to either bend the knee and allow me to play their games or fuck off from europe, but actual decent devs making the same good games they always had with P2P or self hosted servers won't see a change.

>>714569116
>Unfortunately the EU doesn't work that way.
It actually does. Look up 'mere conduit.'

>>714570984
>that's not how these sorts of laws work
The 2019/770 Directive on sale of digital content and digital services applies retroactively to all sales of passed content and services which were still in active supply on its date of entry into force on Jan 1st 2022.

>>714572456
I don't doubt that, just that if he were to agree to a video, just him, with one of those ghouls, he'd crash and burn as they'd manipulate him into saying a bunch of soundbites that would destroy the whole thing.

Are you telling me that I can go on to Turtle WoW right now, say "Nigger" in chat and then sue Blizzard?

>>714572701
He wouldn't agree to that.
When Rossman asked Ross for an interview, Ross even stated that if Rossman is going to bring an industry-guy for technical knowhow - Ross would be doing the same and bringing on his own counter-expert. And that's the precautions taken for a guy that's ACTUALLY ON *HIS* SIDE OF THINGS.

>>714572542
>theyr're facing so much backlash from consumers over it
And that backlash means dick. Eventually people take it.
>it's bound to fail again against smaller devs as it's been happening last years
Every recent failure of the AAA industry has been obvious garbage, not the average. People still love trash like CP2077 and a lot of people are excited about GTA VI. Gachashit is very, very profitable.

>>714572925
Rarely if ever will a change lead by the populus be black and white, that's stupid, naive and ignorant, and companies know this and abuse it.
That does not mean the change or impact isn'0t being felt,m specially when so many of these companies oeprate in a way that the slightest amount of loss is percived as doomposting.
Companies tried to enforce online code, it didn't work and was let go, they tried many tiems to enforce paid mods, keeps blowing up.
a decade and a half ago many CEOs were saying singleplayer was dead, then it got a ressurgence years later.
5 years ago they were saying GaaS was the future, look at the current state of AAA projects.
You cannot remove greed and assholes from the industry. You can, however, help ensure some rights are respected to reduce the shit a tiny bit.

>>714572905
Ross has been far smarter about this than I initially thought he'd be. Props to him.

>>714569506
cool as fuck setting, I wish they would remaster it

>>714558617
>Existing players + new players always move onto the next release
that's only been the case when companies actually release a sequel that's better then the predecessor. Look at what happened with CS 1.6 vs Source. Companies don't want to compete with themselves any more, instead, they just want to release the same game again with a +1 on it and force players to migrate.

>>714546294
>Microsoft
That actually is pretty scary.

>>714546294
I hate jews(real and spiritually) so much it's unreal

Oh wow turns out youtubers, /v/ and reddit know shit about backend game development. Who would've thought?