Thread 714584046

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Is this a Nioh thread?

>>714584046 (OP)
Devil May Cry 2, Yaiba Ninja Gaiden Z and Wanted:Dead suddenly becoming "ultimate secret masterpieces" is the biggest proof that /v/'s opinions about this genre don't matter in the slightest.

>>714584803
>thread called action games when the whole life they have been called hack & slash
of course its shitposting central anon

>>714584803
>DMC 2 is good

It's not a 4ch opinion, it's from retards who don't want to admit that DmC is good

>Yaiba

Retards claiming it's better than GOW

>Wanted Dead

Parasocial relationship

>>714585824
i wouldn't call DmC good, but just average
at least i'm not forced to play with the faggot

>>714586531
Nero in DMC V is an upgrade in combat but a downgrade in almost everything else.

>Paternity drama

Which is more interesting for Dante and Vergil, than Nero. Who already had his arc finished in DMC 4

>No interesting character moments

People feel he was whiny in the other game. But he's the most interesting character the series has had so far

>Music theme
Out of character, and ignores his religious background. Even if it was bullshit

>>714586531
better than being forced to play as picrel in DMCV

The first costume looks so sick.

DmC > 3 > 5

>>714587214
Didnt know Marathon was a gow clone

>>714584803
true, except for the people who post in "action games" threads
>>714584046 (OP)
be more creative next time and put something other than a dot please,
you could at least say that Bayonetta 1 is worse than 2

https://youtu.be/D-dSWyVSCxI
looks better than everything released in 2013

>>714589295
NG4 lookin' LIT

>>714584380
no this is the jav thread

>>714587214
Warframe ass looking shit is grim
Kys NG4 unironically

>>714587214
Did they add more screenshake or something? Hits looks a bit meatier now than in early footage

>>714587214
Needs sexy outfits

>>714590925
he always looked like that, you just fell for dmcggers propaganda

>>714589621
Who is that on the left tho

>>714587214
DDD > Raven Meowster >> Divine Chimera
Guess they aren't showing talons until gamescom. I wanna see at least one Ryu clip

>>714587027
he just like me fr

>>714587027
>male stefanie joosten

Gun to your temple scenario, DMC or Bayonetta, which is better and what’s your best concise reasoning?

>>714587214
Here's your ninja gaiden 4 bro

>>714596349
bayonetta
campaign is short and super replayable

>>714584803
dmc2 guys are shit posters. no one talks about yaiba ever and if they do it's because they find it's story/characters funny, and wanted:dead defenders are just mork and people pretending to be mork

>>714596349
DMC only because it’s more accessible
Bayonetta 2-3 are stuck on Nintendo consoles

>>714596349
The whole series or my favorite of each? I put DMC3 over Bayo 1 but I'd have to say I think Bayo is maybe better on average even if 2 and 3 are troubled.

>>714587214
>The first costume looks so sick.

>>714589295
Is god eater actually good as a faster paced MH clone?

>>714596349
I can't think of a single thing that Bayo does better.

>>714589295
Man i wish godeater return and become something like monster hunter sunbreak
https://youtu.be/KJl5tOExEy4?si=1tsBNxDmf16M_FGj

>>714597026
I think so, but MH Rise already does this pretty well (not joking), also weapon movesets in GE1 aren't very deep so far, I guess it gets better in later titles

>>714596349
Bayonetta because it controls better, has more aggressive enemies, better enemy design, better weapon system, better scoring system, and more consistently top tier music. It still retains combo autism as well even tho it's definitely not necessary to win or get good scores.

Also Bayonetta's ass.

>>714597359
Nah Rise is ass I beat it last year. MH is at it's best when you're utilizing most of your moveset. In Rise most weapons can use silkbind skills to simplify the game a ton and you kind of have to because the monsters are designed to be more aggressive, so counter silkbinds just become absurdly good.

>>714596846
>no one talks about yaiba ever and if they do it's because they find it's story/characters funny
He's the best NG 2 player btw

>>714597634
Ah yes telling people there is a lot to a game if they just look into it, as they proceed to not explaining at all a single cool or unique thing the game actually does.

This guys taking lessons from the /v/ shitposter bible

>>714597628
yeah, its garbage as monster hunter, in base game especially, but I think its not very bad as an action game

>>714597634
I gave this dogshit a chance and its so fucking bad, fuck it

>>714597628
>Silkbind skills simplify the game a ton
No they don't, i use switchaxe and i barely use silkbind other than flying wyvern one because its looks really cool
Base rise was ass but sunbreak is peak mh

>>714598157
>and i barely use silkbind
You're literally playing the game wrong then. It's like playing ninja gaiden and going "honestly, I never used UT"

I don't think Bayo 3 is as bad as some people made it out to be but man it really hurts just how cool a lot of the new weapons are when the game wants you to focus so much on using the kaiju mechanic. You can force yourself to not use the kaijus but the game is not built around it, so you're gonna have a lot of just beating up giant enemies that barely react to your attacks and it's not fun

To anon in yesterday's thread asking if astral chain was good cause they wanted a game where they control puppets, bayo 3 is right there btw, and its better than astral chain. Unless you played it already in which case just ignore me.

>>714596349
Depends. Bayo 1 is best overall but since 2 is just kinda ok and 3 is shit it gets dragged down on average which makes DMC better as a series

>>714596349
Bayonetta, it's built's built around constant interaction with aggressive enemies.

>>714598268
nta, but SA doesn't really need silkbinds DESU, spamming morph attack is so fucking strong everything dies for free

>>714598416
You should use the accessory that allows you to act alongside the demons you summon.

>>714598536
I think Astral Chain is still very much worth playing, but man do the investigation sections drag on.

Gun to your temple scenario, Sekiro or NGB, which is better and what’s your best concise reasoning?

>>714598536
To me, a cool action character that used puppets would take inspiration from fighting games with stuff like zato from guilty gear or the stands in that jojos fg, in fact I think the "puppet character" term came from that game since there is a chracter that literally controls a puppet

>>714599078
That's like saying
>gun to your head, which is better, a full block of cheese or chicken cordon bleu with a side of potatoes

>>714599105
>a cool action character that used puppets would take inspiration from fighting games with stuff like zato from guilty gear
yeah, I thought the same about Zato, GOD, dmc team is so fucking retarded for making V not play like him
also, yeah, Zato inveted puppet chars afaik

>>714599078
Sekiro easily. It's one of my favorites, and while I love 3d ninja gaiden games the first entry specifically pales in comparison to both ng2 and 3re in my opinion.

>>714599360
sekiro has no replay value

>>714599437
I replayed it more than I ever did ngb simply because I loved the combat system.

>>714599078
Nioh2 and ninja gaiden2

Character Action / Hack n' Slash encapsulated in one image.

>>714597808
Yaiba has an interesting-ish weapon system. You don't get any weapons besides your sword and arm, but you can grab any low level enemy and use them to wack other enemies. Similarly, you can use GoW style executions on all enemies to drop health, but for the high level enemies these will also drop unique weapons you can use after until they're depleted. Add to this a pretty straight forward elemental system where you can electrocute, poison, burn and crystalize enemies by using and combining those weapon-tied enemies.

It's not a perfect game by any means, but most stuff you do in Yaiba has purpose.

>>714599509
play a real rhythm game then

>>714599078
NG2 > Sekiro > NG1

>>714599509
you enjoy the dopamine of hitting a qte, sekiro doesn't have a real combat system

>>714599078
Ngb just because every fight doesn't play out the same way

>>714584046 (OP)
SoP counts

>>714600189
Great game but progress being tied to gear is a big turn off in rifts

>>714600164
You say that while people UT spam through the entire game with the exception of bosses that everybody hates.

>>714600189
All nuTN games counts

>>714600523
Are the people in the room with us now? Ut spam for max points but you can just as easily combo. Meanwhile every run of sekiro will be deflect spam.

>>714600523
UT spam is still more varied than standing in place and doing memory based qte's

>>714600693
Sekiro is built around interracting with enemy move sets. I have to wonder if you have even played it because you are attacking in sekiro as much as you are deflecting.

>>714599078
NGB, because fighting regular enemies is actually fun, and you have an actual moveset.

>>714597634
Yaiba>wanted dead>devil's turd
Now it's official

>>714600749
UT spam is good if you like watching cut scenes instead of playing the game. Good thing you don't actually stand in one place in sekiro.
>memory based
Your aggression in any action game is based on muscle memory.

>>714600816
Throwing a few r1s in there while you deflect is fine and all but I already beat sekiro once and theres 0 reason to ever come back to it. Though it's still the best from game. I'm sticking with ngb

>>714600189
Hell yeah it does

>>714598909
you could also just demon slave offset

>>714587214
>>714588401
New screenshoots got leaked. The whole game looks SICK.

>>714600523
UT is still useful in NG1 but it's not nearly as abusable. At most you will fight 3 enemies at once and a lot of levels are in cramped arenas where you can't run back in charge or have to enter a room with enemies already present. You have to kill at least one group of enemies and lvl 3 UT doesn't always guarantee you'll kill all of the next group of enemies.

If you want to effectively UT chain you sometimes have to carry orbs between rooms or know how many waves will spawn in a specific encounter beforehand. In NG2 there's so many places where you can charge UT and some enemy types that make it very easy to charge UT and even if yo dont get lvl 3 a lvl 1 can still do a lot of hits.

>>714587027
the raider of ramallah

>>714601250
So this was supposed to be Astral Chain 2 before KT and Xbox approached Plat to take over NG4 development because TN was too retarded to do it.

>>714601091
It's the other way around, you deflect while you're attacking. Sekiro rewards aggression as you limit enemies' options when you force them into blocking. Poking game is very strong in sekiro.

Gun to your temple scenario, DMC2 or DMC3, which is better and what’s your best concise reasoning?

>>714600816
>is built around interracting with enemy move sets.
It's an entirely one sided interaction. You parry their attacks, then you attack them and they'll either keep getting hit untl they back away or you parry and then you sit there and parry their attacks.

>>714601398
Makes too much sense now that you bring it up. The cyber samurai guys even have some sort of cop/enforcer motif to them

>>714601289
So the only difference is that it's easier to start the fight with UT in ng2, is that what you're saying? Because chaining UTs is equally easy in both games as Ryu won't consume any essence as long as you're blocking or attacking.

>>714596349
its close but I'd still have to go with DMC even though I really like bayonetta 1 and 3.

>>714601468
>>714601468
Dmc3. Don't even need a reason

>>714601481
Not sure what you mean by one sided, when you are forced to take turns with the enemy when they deflect you. You oversimplify it by omitting the fact that not all attacks can be deflected. I can describe you favorite game in a similar fashion: you hit the enemy until it dies, primitive gameplay.

>>714597026
God Eater doesn't actually play much like MH really, unless maybe you mean Rise/Sunbreak. It is a lot more speedy and reactive than typical MH, you manage other things like Aragami bullets and Burst Mode, you have to keep up with Devour attacks mid combat, verticality is important to the gameplay, stamina for dodging is never an issue unless you're paying a stamina heavy weapon like Hammer, etc.
Resurrection has solid gameplay, Rage Burst has completely unbalanced gameplay and GE3 has genuinely great gameplay.

>>714601605
In NG2 you have way more oppurtunities to charge a UT before the fight starts as enemies rush towards you. After a fight has already started most areans are pretty big and let you jump to a corner while you charge UT while enemies rush towards you. All levels of UT come with a faggy cinematic chain outside of specific weapons which play the same big animation every time but majority are long chains of attacks and then you add in the fact that those attacks all have a chance to delimb to kill an enemy who didn't die from the UT itself or maybe got clipped by a few attacks and it's MEGA GAY BABY MODE SHIT.

Again i'm not saying it's not good in NGB, just that it's not as easy to spam and that lower charges actually have more use and don't give a long gay cinematic when you do them and that you have to consciously think about not absorbing essence in a room in order to be able to use it in the next room/

>>714601909
There is no interaction between enemies beyond deflection or in rare cases where dodge is better. Mikiri counters are the same shit just with a different predefined answer.

It's completely different from being able to fully interrupt an enemies attack, throwing enemies, having multiple answers to deal with an attack you might not be able to interrupt, etc. Sekiro is a one sided interaction, the best you have for variety is that the fans can be used the same way as a deflection but easier and a bit stronger at the cost of ammo but it's effectively the same thing. Martial arts are pretty much all useless besides the one you get at the end of the game that does a really big attack that costs ammo iirc.

There is no meaningful difference when refighting a boss, there is little to no interesting tech to be found, there is nothing for the player to discover. There is no freedom, there is nothing of interest. You might go and rattle off highly specific stuff but I can guarantee you that any tech you might find is extremely minor. Since we're comparing it to NG1, NG1 enemies actually have variety. Ninjas will dodge more, armored enemies deflect your shuriken, some enemies block more and have to be guard broken before you can launch them, etc. They can't all be answered with the exact same thing like in sekiro where your answer to every enemy is "deflect until their attack string is over and then attack them until they deflect, dodge, or start their own attack"

>>714602541
Enemies in 3d ninja gaiden are utterly defenseless against Ryu's best moves prior to 3re.
>They can't all be answered with the exact same thing
UTs.

How much worse is NG1 Sigma than Black?

Please stop comparing fromgods masterpieces to some children's toy

>>714603725
Actually better than original
Only 2 sucks dick because its a ps3 version with everything censored, enemies reduced, no gore no blood and no jiggle :(

>>714603725
haven't played much of both but from what I remember NGB ( emulated ) felt better to play than Sigma 1, I dunno why but Sigma 1 felt floaty and less precise with constant input drop/lag while NGB felt much tighter and responsive.

>>714603742
Whites are low iq and only play souls trash

>>714603527
You have to kill enemies to get a UT first numbnuts and you have to understand the differences in the enemy types to know the best way to approach them, otherwise you'll get raped for mashing

>>714603725
sigma is an upgrade more or less but there are a ton of minor balancing diferences between the two but not anything you would notice without thousands of hours between both

>>714603742
It's actually crazy how From have been trying to make action for 2 decades and still can't put together a competent combat system

Why does it feel like Nioh has more soul than the actual Souls games at this point?

>>714604402
Nioh is fun

>>714604329
Remember their ninja gaiden clone? LOL

>>714599607
Now show gameplay. Shit falls apart instantly

>>714604450
I do now

>>714604085
>You have to kill enemies to get a UT first numbnuts
Did you play the game you are praising? You can charge UTs without essence, it just takes time. The differences in enemy types is also overblown. For any humanoid enemy it's either izuna drop or GT into a wall. Most heavy enemies can still be opened up by wind path and for berserkers you counter attack.

>>714604450
>Even named ninja

>>714604545
Meh, not really. It's mostly a GoW clone with some extra NG sprinkled in. It's not like it's non-functional.

>>714596592
I don't get, why not just make a normal character action game at this point? They clearly want to. Do they think people won't buy unless they add some stamina bar to cuck you and bosses that 1shot you for all the ebic "le you dieded xdddd" moments?

>>714604824
Team ninja is incapable of making a modern action game.

>>714604973
All they have to do is remove the lock on, the stamina bar and give you the ability to launch enemies into the air and you have an action game. They're like 90% of the way there.

>>714604824
Don't forget about tacked on RPG elements and empty open world.

>>714604824
>why not just give bayonetta styles, and dmc UT, and NG dodge offset
Different mechanics make the games feel different and give you new skills to learn and have fun with

>>714605078
>remove the lock on
Bad idea.

>>714604824
Because they found a niche with these arpgs. Nioh is fantastic and I can't wait for 3

>>714604824
>Why not just make an entirely different game and balance it entirely differently?
Really, anon?

>>714604824
Souls/Sekiro did irreparable damage to the action game genre

>>714605562
yeah DMC5 Bayo3 and NG4 were truly ruined by Dark Souls

who did sunday the best

>>714604816
>Meh, not really
Delusional
>It's not like it's non-functional
That's the bare minimum anon. It is not balanced, travesty to look at, and not fun. Give it up Drunk.

>>714596349
DMC5 is the best game in either series but I consider Bayonetta more consistent in the sense that it doesn't have any games which aren't at least good
Bayo 3's reputation suffers more than anything else from its well having been so thoroughly poisoned in the run up to and during its release period that you could (and still can) literally just make shit up that isn't actually in the game to criticise it for and no one would correct it because they can't tell the difference, you could hardly post anything not wholly negative about it here or elsewhere at the time without people legitimately flying off the handle

>>714597440
All wrong. Weapon design is the shittiest in the entire genre since 99.9% of the movesets is a string-based slop that hinges on offset to produce wicked weaves and charge modifiers which is just one fucking attack and the regular hits are nigh worthless if not outright detrimental without any noteworthy properties, you're better off hitting air instead of enemies even with actual melee weapons like the sword. There is no real enemy design to speak of when all you do is dodge and/or run away to avoid close combat for whatever reason for every enemy bar one (Kinship), and it's regarded as the worst one by every Bayotard ever despite it only appearing twice in the campaign. No one else can contest the TPS playstyle so the aggression is a nothingburger, funnier still is that unless you taunt or put Gaze of Despair on the aggression is limited to one enemy at a time even on NSIC. Shit is levels below any DMC game on the easiest difficulty. All enraging does is promote ranged playstyle even further by giving every enemy hyperarmor against melee so it achieves nothing in the end. The combo autism doesn't hold a candle to even vanilla DMC 3 as it relies entirely on witch time, a braindead mechanic that would make combos a possibility in any game just the same if not better. Scoring system is not only extremely pigeonholing but also abusable to insane degrees to the point that you can bruteforce perfect plats by savescamming. The controls are objectively worse, just look no further than RG and MoMK, all options and depth were lost in transition and all that is left is a shallow husk that is the most braindead take on parrying in the entire genre. Actual mechanical trannyfication.

NG cuts Bayo into pieces and DMC juggles what's left of it. Total humiliation ritual.

Skimmed your post and have determined that you've never even had sex, sad!

>>714606746
bayonetta can 360 noscope better than dante so this whole argument is invalid

>>714605985
>Give it up Drunk.
?????????????????

>>714607517
See >>714597634

>>714601603
>The cyber samurai guys even have some sort of cop/enforcer
Have you even made it to Tairon in NG1? Fucking moron.

>>714604824
there's plenty of things that can one shot you on master ninja in ninja gaiden

recommend me a game that plays like bayonetta, I tried some most popular slashers but it never hit the same

the thing I like the most about bayo is constant dodging and time slow when you hit it right

>>714608401
Transformers Devastation and w101.

Ws NG2 Black a flop or success? I haven't heard anything about sales,although it was on gamepass so I'm not sure it matters.

>>714608401
Onechanbara Origin

>>714608401
In DmC you can rebind the dedicated dodge to the right trigger like in Bayo

>>714608401
We don't have variety cause zoomers killed the genre

>>714586870
He's far more whiny in V.
>DEADWEIGHT DEADWEIGHT DEADWEIGHT FUCK YOU DANTE STOP HOLDING ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY ACTIONS

You now remember that DmC had THREE (3) dodge buttons

>>714609907
>Shift modifier too gigabrained for adhd style switching zoomer

I don't know if Nioh is strictly considered an action game but I really like it and Sekiro, but don't really like DMC or Bayonetta. What other action games am I likely to enjoy?

Why don't you guys play or talk about beat 'em ups, /jav/?

>>714609907
Normal dmc as dante since the third game has 2 and a teleport.

>>714610437
Ninja gayden

>>714610441
>Walk right and jump & kick a bunch
Kino

>>714610495
it's 1.5 at most

>>714606746
blud really thought if he'll write how the game works, add something stupid and say it's bad everyone will agree with him

>>714610570
scratch that, it's actually 1.25 or less

>>714610441
most of the CAG players are too noob for fundie based games, but a couple of people make bmup posts

>>714607943
>Tairon
It's Tyrone now, chud!

>>714609907
and someone argues DmC isn't the best and most complex one...

>>714610437
>What other action games am I likely to enjoy?
Play more TN games then

>>714610437
>and Sekiro
Stick to soulsslop bro

>>714586870
>Which is more interesting for Dante and Vergil, than Nero. Who already had his arc finished in DMC 4

Nero's "drama" in regards to Vergil is infinitely more interesting by default because we don't know a damn thing about the brother's relationship with Sparda other than him gifting them Rebellion and Yamato.

>>714611135
problem is Vergil is a cool character while Nero is annoying and cringe

Nero is more fun to play in dmc 5 than Dante

>>714611135
It's more interesting because it gives Vergil more depth. He mutilated his own son for a petty fight against his brother and it's great for Dante because he has to deal with his brother's nonsense again. For Nero it's pretty meaningless and never reaches the highs of DMC4

>>714606746
I disagree, on paper the Dial-a-combos look bad. But actually the game offers more combo opportunities than DMC. The problem is that input-based moves like the Rider kick are a bit wonky, especially compared to other games with Dial-a strings like Ninja Gaiden, which feel smoother. And that's because Dodge Offset in Bayonetta gives you very dynamic combat, even more dynamic than in DMC.

>>714611536
If he had more sword combos yeah. The game is just lazy.

'member when people trashed DmC for having easy infinite air grapples then DMC5 does it on top of giving Nero a TRIPLE jump which let you totally trivialize combat

>>714611536
ARM mechanics felt tacked-on. Idk why every jap game had some nonsensical arm mechanics. Is this some bullshit about Buddhism? DMC V was released during that commemorative period in Japan.

>>714611960
you are a bit right, because wtf, why didn't they add more moves to him, he doesn't even feel that different at the first glance compared to his dmc4 version

>>714612090
no bro you don't understand it's made by japanese people and they are gods of game design so everything they do is correct by default! capgods am I right???

>>714584046 (OP)
I've just bought Assault Spy. Have I been memed or is it really good? it was great that I played Hi-fi rush on gamepass because I hated that game with all my heart. Everything was annoying from the visual style to the pretentious gameplay system

>>714612401
yeah, hi-fi rush is pretty crinje, it's speculated that the minute Phil Spencer found out how reddit the game is he decided to shut down tango gay works regardless of game's financial performance

>>714612401
It's good but it is an indie by a solo dev

hmmm I think I shall be playing God Eater tonight

It's better than dmc

>>714613081
>retarded nip writers butchered William and turned yasugay into some super dindu
shit manga

>>714613480
I am glad I don't know what this is and just downloaded a picture of it

>>714613081
I've just bought the entire trilogy. I don't even know if netplay still works

>>714613595
I think it should, whatever, we pretend to run solo anyway

>>714592721
thats trish from ninja gaiden sigma

Itagaki appeared in my dream today, he told me to train harder to become a master ninja.

>>714613894
should have told him to train harder to become a good game dev

>>714613475
>the same old webm
Play the game yourself

>>714587214
No hot sexualized female characters with coomer outfits no buy

>>714610441
I do
but only entry level stuff for now like sor 2-4, tmnt shredder revenge and tmnt 2003 series games.

Just S ranked every stage in sor4 on hardest-mania+. I dread of attempting to s rank these in arcade mode

>>714614853
Kill yourself retard

>>714614897
>Just S ranked every stage in sor4 on hardest-mania
Does it let you restart the stages or what's the difference between arcade?

>>714614992
>Kill yourself retard

>>714615974
NTA but arcade needs to be done in one sitting. Story you can retry the same stage without consequence.

>>714584046 (OP)
do fans of these games even give a shit about the story in them?

>>714615974
Yeah, it's basically chapter select mode.
Arcade is completing the entire game in 1 sitting

>>714616504
for me it's only DMC and even then mostly only 3

>>714616504
I don't want any story or gay puzzles. Just let me kill shit.

>>714604824
They did. It's called strange of paradise and wo long but you faggots didn't listen

>>714616889
wo long is kusoge, sop is kusokino

>>714616504
I almost always skip the story these days

>>714614483
nta but dreams don't work like that

>>714616504
If I wanted a story, I'd read a book.

>>714616504
>Story
Lol, just let me kill shit

At best I'll take a cool cutscene but that's it

>>714606746
You're really complaining about the lack of enemy aggression in direct comparison to DMC lmfao. I can tell you've never fought 3 Joys on anything harder than normal.
You also bitch about the game relying on witch time, showing you don't know shit about NSIC lmao.

The state of bayo haters.

>used items
you didn't beat the game
>played below the highest difficulty
you didn't beat the game
>used spammable cheese strats
you didn't beat the game
Anything else?

>>714617453
>watched guides/walkthroughs/videos
you didn't beat the game

>>714616504
Yes fans care about the story a lot, that's why DMC and MGR are popular.

>>714617083
Neither are kuso

>>714616504
Not at all. I hate it when action games waste my time with story stuff too like NG3 and MGR.

>>714584803
>DMC2
The easiest game to pretend is actually kino because it's sandwiched between two classics and has some good art/music and had a bunch of ideas that would later prove to be good in better games.
>Yaiba
Never seen anybody praise that trash even ironically, at BEST it's to say that Yaiba being unlikable was intentional. DmC gets more people going to bat for it than Yaiba by far.
>Wanted:Dead
I honestly believe the people who say they loved it even if I don't think it's good. It's a wildly idiosyncratic game, like nobody on the team was told no at any point. Rare to see that from a game that isn't a small indie. Samurai Jack is by far Soleil's best game though, shame it's delisted.

>>714608637
Almost certainly sold mediocre to badly due to shadow drop and game pass, but would have very low development costs due to it being a bunch of new textures and models pasted over already existing Ninja Gaiden 2 Sigma code. I suspect it was made as a way to remind people that Ninja Gaiden exists before 4, and to get Team Ninja staff trained on Unreal Engine 5 if they want to use it again in the future.

>>714604824
A lot of the staff that made the NG games good left around the same time Itagaki did. They genuinely didn't have the same team in the 2010s as they did in the 2000s. They made NG3 and that was ass so they backpedaled it into something closer to 2 and just never tried again, meanwhile Nioh did quite well for them so they just kept building on Nioh. They're playing to their current strengths but still like NG as an IP (hence the Hayabusa bosses in Nioh/Ronin, 2 Black, and outsourced sequels).

>>714608401
TF Devastation has the same bones as Bayo but is its own beast when you get down to it.

>>714584803
Wanted Dead is actually good thoughbeit if you can ignore the low production values, narrative, art direction, boss design and general jankiness

>>714584803
We can go further

>>714584803
>DMC2
Itsukino
>Yaiba
Edgekino
>Wanted:Dead
Itagakino

>>714617453
>using exploits
You didn't beat the game

I'm playing through this now, it's strange playing an open world action game. One minute you're riding around a horse to a way point the next you're doing mad combos

>stocked up on lollypops
>normal mode selected
>PKP on repeat
>tryhards ignored
Yep, it's fun gaming time

>>714618172
Every time someone implies Itagaki had anything to do with wanted dead somewhere a cookie crumbles

>>714610441
Love 'em. Bad at them, but love 'em. Only 1cc I've touched are console Final Fight games (Mighty & 3) but nothing arcade. Still, 90s Capcom beat-em-ups are some of the best action games ever made, and they're an extremely important step between the 80s beat-em-ups and the action games of the 00s. Battle Circuit's more open-ended combo system and between-stage store to buy moves feels like a major step towards what DMC1 was doing, and I can definitely feel something similar in Shadows Over Mystara. Then there's just games that kick ass on their own merits like Armored Warriors and AvP. Cadillacs & Dinosaurs is kinda overrated, still very good but I wouldn't put it near the top of my list.

>>714618160
>get TN to make your combat system
>lock them to effectively an NES controller layout
what was the plan here

>>714618346
The only Soleil project he touched was Devil's Third so people want to attribute anything better than that to him because it's otherwise the last proper game he's put out.

>>714618160
>Implying this isn't team ninja's best game

>>714618482
Well it's certainly better than anything else since 3RE

>>714618249
The open world aspect and the unisoft checklist is a fuck no for me. Is it really that bad?

>>714617686
>Samurai Jack is by far Soleil's best game
Correct

>>714618135
>It's decent if you ignore all the bad
Everytime. This has to be studied.

>>714617970
The co-director of NG3 and sole director of NG3RE literally saved team ninja, as he was the director for Nioh 1 and 2, even doubled as producer for 2 and is the head of the entire company now iirc. Pretty sure the guy who was behind OG NG3 still works there too.

NG3 was a misstep but so was NG2 (if you aren't retarded). Since then Team Ninja has proven themselves to be extremely extremely competent and are one of the few developers who are actually trying to push stuff forward and create new ideas. I went and checked credits just to make sure and with NG2 Itagaki took the co-producer and the 2 co-directors with him along with various other people and they clearly were not that important to Team Ninja because they've come out with far better designed combat systems and enemy design. Itagaki has completely failed everyone he took with Team Ninja as their credits are as expected, devils turd and wanted dead which are absolute trash fire games that lack ambition and innovation. He's completely failed the team that followed him after NG2.

>>714618767
yes but also you can ignore most of it and beeline to proper missions

That gets said a lot when talking about modern TN games doesn't it

>>714619116
has he been brought back to direct nioh 3? It seems he's the only person able to wrangle TN into making a decent game

>>714619116
yasuda is a WEFaggot

>>714611948
? The problem is that Bayo has a very poor moveset distribution and an even worse control scheme. The gun button is borderline worthless in function, and it's made even more so thanks to Dodge Offset. DO ensures the game stays static as much as possible, you pick a string of your choice and get to the end of it every single time. There's no reason not to.
>>714617412
Some astonishing reading comprehension you have there, "girl". I said combo-autism relies on it, not the entire game, though the former is not too far-fetched. Here's how fighting 3 Joys on NSIC looks like https://youtu.be/PN7BLDVre3I?si=EIx0Y4QqfCf6a6d9&t=585. Or any other enemy for that matter.

>>714619356
>the latter

>>714619116
>Team Ninja has proven themselves to be extremely extremely competent
None of their post-NG2 are anywhere near as good as NG2 so I don't know what you mean.

>>714619350
I hope Nioh 3 uses a CaC more like rise of ronin because the tiddy customization there is much better despite lacking a slider

>>714619506
NG2 is dogshit dude

>>714616889
stranger of paradise gets rid of stamina but it dips into even more rpg shit wtf are you talking about? its fine there because its a FF spinoff though.

>>714619116
While I hadn't dove into the credits of TN's modern games that all sounds about right. My point was that TN realized that going forward with NG wasn't the path after that staff followed Itagaki (which he squandered for the most part yes, though I like Samurai Jack BTT a good amount) and Nioh allowed them to put together a new identity that has worked very well for them.

>>714619306
Stranger of Paradise's KT directors weren't Yasuda and that turned out great. I certainly wouldn't pin the quality of the gameplay on Square's side.

dante was so handsome in 4

>>714619678
the white mop hair joke in DmC was honestly right, it looked really stupid in 4

khazan is the only modern entry that matters

>>714619350
They all are

Looks like we're gonna be busy for a while

>>714620278
Kys coomer

>>714620278
Lys coomer

>Suda
>KH2
>UR
>NG2
Why is there so many action threads up right now.

I want a game like Jedi Survivor/Fallen Order but done by TN

>>714619629
>RPG SHIT IS BAD BECAUSE....

>>714619509
I chose the smallest chest out of the 3 because I don’t like them too big. Big boobs have big ugly areola and they sag I’ve seen them too many times. I’m especially not fooled when fat girls act like they’re impressive for having big tits. That’s like a skinny fag acting cool for having abs you ain’t fooling anyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mceFmnAJLL4

Name a more kino moment in action games

>>714619506
NG2 doubled down on all of NG1's faults. Rather than be a refinement it delves into it's own thing which exacerbates NGs issues. While the game has more weapons and expanded movesets and good ninja AI the rest of the game is a mess of ideas and it's literally unfinished according to itagaki himself. It was a success and people prop it up to this day literally because of graphics and the reputation of being the "hardest game ever".

NG1 is a fantastic game with a lot of smart design, NG2 ends up being just a slight cut above a musou

>>714621449
>NG1 is a fantastic game with a lot of smart design
Yeah copying the Infested Helicopter was a really smart decision.

>>714621449
Nothing you said is false.

>>714621539
The game is allowed to have faults, especially when it's the first game

>>714620967
Do you play an action game to play action segments or fiddle around in menus micromanaging character stats?

>>714621449
nta but I suspect had Itagaki stayed with TN they would have made NG2 Black which would have been the definitive version of NG2, we live in the cursed timeline however.

>>714620278
>Lady
Ever notice how she looks like the Sphere Hunter?

https://youtu.be/DGwyr2zkQEA

>>714621693
>The game is allowed to have faults
And NG2 doesn't?

>especially when it's the first game
Not when it's copying something. No one forced TN to double down on DMC1's underwater sections.

>>714621853
Lady was based on Julia Volkova from Tatu, zommie. Sphere Hunter is an e-celeb poser who tries to look like every popular Capcom girl he happens to like

>>714621853
>crapcom execs forced itsuno in an interview with a literal aids-ridden jewish tranny to shill dogma2
no wonder he left crapcom

>>714621880
>And NG2 doesn't?
As a sequel it fails in many ways, not showing an understanding of what made the first game good. Again it even double down on the bow use, while it controls better it's still used repetitively with fights equally if not so more so annoying than the first game.

>>714622131
>it's still used repetitively with fights equally if not so more so annoying than the first game.
Don't forget jellyfish.

>>714622024
Suzi looks more like Lady than the actual person Lady is based off of.. Thats really impressive

>>714622592
Suzi will never let you suck his dick. Stop simping for him

>>714621408
RULES OF NATURE is unmatched
>m-muh overrated
stfu contrarian

>>714619356
I agree with you. Inputs feel like shit, the only natural thing is the parry which is a foward input that flows well with the Dial-A combo. Devastation and MGR simplified combat, are unironically better. The only problem, at least in MGR's case, is that the bosses are fucking scripted. I kind of love Bully Sam, because, like, he doesn't die until you hit his weak spot. But it's bullshit to have to wait for Armstrong's fist in his final fight. Good atmosphere, terrible boss

>>714622717
Okay but what about here

https://youtube.com/shorts/H7kVsBSlm10

>>714622757
every mgr boss fight is unmatched, I don't think action games will ever match mgr's spectacle and hype or at least I can't imagine it happening

Reminder that DMC5 is one of the worst games ever made.

>>714622131
>what made the first game good
Well? Can you explain what made it good?

>>714619356
>have a button designated to shoot the guns
>also have Bayo shoot the guns if you hold the attack buttons
>other weapons give you different attacks for holding
>the gun button doesn't let you do those attacks separately when you equip those weapons
>not even the other weapons that are also guns (shotgun, bazooka)
Which arcade game was he homaging with this decision, guys?

>>714587214
I'm not feeling this game. NG3 somehow kept Itagaki's vision and didn't depart from what NG is. But this game is clearly not NG and it's only cash in on the name of the series.

>>714623614
*best

>>714623697
Shooting is pretty OP in Bayonetta. The goal for effective combos in the game is to use shooting as a finisher, but I don't think anon knows that

>>714587214
What engine is NG4 using? I'm wondering if the doa girls could be modded in

>>714623929
Okay but why not let me use the shotguns to just shoot? You could do it in DMC1.

>>714623818
NG4 is looking more and more like a disaster. Platinum made Ryu look like 9A from Nier Automata. Did you see those cyberpunk arenas? >>714601250
Can’t blame the fans for taking whatever they can get and being excited for something rather than nothing but this shit is fucking dead on arrival, they raped this franchise from the inside

Is he the real brain of NG?
>1 of the 4 battle/enemy designers for OG NG
>Project lead on NG Black
>Doesn't work on NG2, instead directors the unironically solid DS game
>Director for NG3RE
>Producer for pretty much ever TN action game since
Also, I thought it was interesting to learn that 2 of the 3 game designers on Sigma 2 still work at TN

Could there be a real 2D character action game? I don't mean a beat em up.
What about 1st person? Or isometric? Or platformer?

>>714624036
>modding DOA girls over yakumo
could work since they gave him a zesty walk cycle

I just bought Wanted: Dead and Gungrave Gore on his recommendation for $10
did I get scammed

>>714624872
Good deal. Fun for the weekend.

>>714624562
1st person can't work, the rest can

>>714622717
>>714623457
Waiting for your response anon. Can you just admit Suzi looks like Lady already?

https://youtube.com/shorts/H7kVsBSlm10

Bonus content, Suzi looking like Ashley here
https://youtube.com/shorts/zu_CDZat7tQ

>>714620967
They're ass in these kind of action games. Fuck off

>>714618346
A lot of the people who worked on both NG2 and Devil's Third worked on Wanted: Dead, it's literally his team and as shit ass as that game is, it has more soul than devils third

>>714624507
>"We're not just focused on the high-speed, crazy battle stuff all the time. We really want to give players a lot of undulation in gameplay," Team Ninja boss Yosuke Hayashi told me through a translator when I admitted I was a bit nervous about trying the game.
>"We want players to feel the drama, then have a bit of a break, then go back to drama - almost like you're watching a movie."
>Hoyashi likened Ryu Hayabusa to Spider-man and Superman, explaining that the game's "dark hero" dramatic direction is designed to bring his humanity to the forefront.
>"He's not just like a killing machine. We've used that theme of consequence to show a more human feeling. The more he kills the more he suffers."

>"When we started thinking about the Japanese dark hero, we wanted to make him less of a killing machine, more of a person," Hayashi said.
>"Behind that ninja is a person, and we wanted to explore what it meant to kill a person up close. It's not that you would feel nothing - in previous games, there's no consequence to those actions -you're going to have some kind of emotion when you actually kill someone."

>"I think Ninja Gaiden II is already outdated," Hayashi told Play.
>Hayashi wasn't afraid to tackle the competition, either. The notoriously critical performance assessments of Bayonetta, which have been likened to Nija Gaiden's demanding difficulty, don't faze him in the slightest.
>"Bayonetta has some good stuff but Bayonetta is old, game design wise, already," he said.
>In fact, Hayashi isn't particularly interested in raising the difficulty bar this time around.
>"We are aiming to be the number one 3D action game," he said.
>"If we can do that we are fine not focusing on difficulty level. We don’t care.
>"But to prevent misunderstanding, Ninja Gaiden fans will still really love it. That is our responsibility. We make sure the fans of the series are satisfied by our game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBYK4PT5Wg

Shh, he's sleeping.

>>714624562
>real 2D character action game
Define that

>>714623457
>>714625110
I don't know if you are shitposting or not. Your obsession with this e-celeb troon and you thinking that he looks even remotely like Mary is very concerning

>>714625378
Character action, but in 2D

>>714624562
Character action is an useless, meaningless term, in my opinion. They're 3D beat em up's/hack and slash's.

>>714625232
>>"I think Ninja Gaiden II is already outdated," Hayashi told Play.
He was right. 3 wasn't it but 3RE greatly improved a lot of systems and it's only faults are leftovers from the original 3 but the bad parts are 3 aren't too different from the bad parts of 1 and 2, at least in gameplay.

He was overly ambitious with the story for a character nobody needed but unironically he was ahead of the curve when god of war did something similar in the soft reboot. Not saying it's a good thing just funny how he tried to do it first

>>714625232
I DON'T WANNA DIE

>>714624452
Maybe it's a good game, but it's not NG.

Let TN make Bayo 4

>>714624562
>2D
Plenty are out there, though whether you like them or not it's a bit complicated. Fairy Bloom Freesia and Icey are often viewed as members of the club. Some 2D games like Helvetii and the upcoming SoulQuest lean heavily into the genre with style rankings. Also they're different genres but I'd say games like Gunvolt or Pizza Tower have a decent amount of the genre's blood in it with their ranking systems.
>first person
Ultrakill is popular and it already has a few people making similar games. You could MAYBE argue that some of those parkour games like Mirror's Edge or Neon White count.

>>714624562
Viewtiful Joe

>>714625232
what a cringelord

>>714624872
you just made him $5

>>714584046 (OP)
Yo I'm ripping ps3 ISOs from my local library, is Yaiba Ninja Gaiden Z worth the disk space on my ps3?

>>714625481
>>714625574
>>714626141
You have the wrong idea.

>>714626638
unironically closer to being dark souls in 2D than NG in 2D

>>714584803
Holy shit it's literally the game I was wondering about lmao. "The ultimate secret gem" is at the public library? Secret my ass

>>714626695
>NG in 2D
You called?

>>714625232
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipBYK4PT5Wg
And you people think THIS is better than CHADba, the only TN protag to have sex on screen?

Speaking of, anyone excited for ragebound and new shinobi

>>714624562
Vernal Edge

>>714627301
How could you not?

>>714627301
I tried the Ragebound demo. It's OK, but those Simon-says-esque mechanics don0t feel Ninja Gaiden to me. It should be more like the NES games mixed with the arcade for it to feel like Ninja Gaiden.

Why fans hated the girls missions of the Σ games? It's not like they replace Ryu missions? How can someone dislike being given more content? Specially if you get to see cute girls while playing.

>>714625418
>like Mary
that's not her name.

>KAMIKAZE YAIBA
Tell me this isn't a cool name.

>>714628279
I don't think there was ever complaints about the new MC. It's his game that sucks ass

https://youtu.be/1kqvNLqR4pk
Is Ninja Gaiden 4 a Soulslike — or Did Souls Copy Ninja Gaiden?

>>714628084
Focus on the main course we don't need half assed appetizers

>>714627856
It's arcade blasphemous. They're not even trying to do NG. They should have hired Yacht club or the Messeger guys to make the game

>>714628084
In NG3 it's better than Ryu, in all other games it's dogshit

>>714624872
Gungrave Gore is kinda fun but they throw a lot of fucking enemies at you at random sometimes.

>>714617686
I loved Wanted: Dead but I'm not going to pretend it's some kind of masterpiece, because it's a messy pile of jank. While I found it charming and fun, a lot of it is due to the vibes, so that's the basis on which I recommend it. If you're drawn by the vibes and the style, then you'll probably like it and should give it go, but if you're not eager to play it then you're not missing anything by giving it a pass.

>>714628415
reading that game me a stroke

>>714627856
>but those Simon-says-esque mechanics don0t feel Ninja Gaiden to me
yeah bro totally not
>OTs you
>SoBs you

>>714628084
I'd rather be given a choice instead of being forced to play some other character instead of Ryu. Just give me character select and we'll get along swimmingly.

>>714628084
Should've been side modes.

>>714587214
The whole art style of this game is ugly.
Also, every clip has these do-nothing punching bag enemies. Like if you can just rape them like that, they should have at least made them kunoichi instead of some cyborg ninja faggots.

>>714629075
>made them kunoichi
Kek
>has these do-nothing punching bag enemies
You never played NG

>>714604824
Just ki pulse bro, all the stamina you want

>>714629075
It's a trailer dude, no company is going to put out raw gameplay at the highest difficulty, it's suppose to showcast the games animations and mechanics.

>>714624036
Astral Chain engine

>>714599078
NGB. Sekiro overstays it's welcome and gets boring.

>>714619350
Nice, he's elite human capital

>>714616504
I just want good character moments.

>>714629634
hope he sees this yasudasister

Sekiro is the worst action game ever and anyone who plays it is a low IQ brownoid with no soul. Fromtrannies aren't welcomed here.

>>714630096
Who hurt you?

>>714628084
I never played smegma, why does she have the dark dragon sworn?

>>714630504
Mod

>>714629408
They need to highlight that this is a hardcore game for hardcore gamers. A modern Itagaki would be doing the fake beef routine with Souls instead of Tekken to sell his new game
>Yeah DS, it just has these slow lumbering enemies. As a man, I don't get any enjoyment from strafing and dodge rolling these sitting ducks. The game we're making tests your limits. You have to think like a true ninja, and I think most souls players are ninja dogs that couldn't handle it

>>714630928
Shitagaki is literally making a souls like lmao

>>714629408
>no company is going to put out raw gameplay at the highest difficult
then their marketing failed and is fucking retarded, the whole schtick of NG was the ballbusting difficulty and sexy half-naked chicks and so far it doesn't look like NG4 has either

>>714631086
nigga ng2's marketing campaign was heavily focusing on being accessible and casual friendly

What action game should I play:
>NG3RE
>Marlow Briggs
>Freeware game that came out like 2 months ago
All for the first time.

>>714633107
What if you controlled multiple kunoichis at once

>>714633107
Developed by Itsuno.

Will Oneechanbara ever get the respect it deserves?

>>714634108
No. Only those who scrape the barrel will find these. But too many haven't cleared the basics.

>>714633362
My fan fiction schizo wish for NG4 was that Ryu would do a Dante/Vergil and seal the fiends away in the underworld, but trapping himself there in the process, where he has to endlessly fight demons in their realm.
For a sequel hook: Yakumo, who looks like he will start out as Ryu's enemy but likely become his friend later, would feel remorseful over Ryu's sacrifice, and so he would track down Ryu's allies (Rachel, Momiji, Muramasa, Irene, Hayate, and Ayane) for help to bring Ryu back by going into the underworld together.

The cliffhanger would be one last person showing up to join the group, Kasumi, with their new mission being what Ayane and Kasumi needed to finally end their rivalry.

>>714634303
You just described KH lol

>>714630994
qrd

>>714634108
why did they get rid of this taunt in z2 chaos

>>714634108
If NG4 is received well then maybe, since the director's most notable game before this was Z2 Chaos.

>>714634108
Stop making action games about titties if you want anyone to take it serious

>>714634108
lol was berserker jalter supposed to be a reference? that's neat if so. I wonder if Type-Moon is ever making a proper fate action game, they could unironically revive the genre with how big the IP is.

what do you think about furi

>>714634108
What has Tamsoft been up to lately?
other than drinking bleach

>>714634108
>the respect it deserves
none?

>>714635339
No chance we ever get a competent action game from Type Moon. Samurai Remnant was mediocre at best, and I'm pretty sure that's the limit of their abilities. It's gonna be a remake of Extra and more shitty gacha FGO nonsense, and that's it.

>>714632946
3RE is fun. Check it out.

>>714635607
Nothing, it seems.
Especially now that Senran is super dead as fuck and cute girl 'em ups have been relegated to the indie space with things like Tonin, Eternal Palace Sakura, Homura Hime, etc

>>714634108
>D3publisher publishes a new game with a setting, aesthetic and vibe really similar to Oneechanbara and Schoolgirl Zombie Hunter
>even shows off Aya and Saki DLC outfits
>turns out it's actually made by Yuke
I was so mad.

>>714635837
Yeah, I guess they could always hire people that are actually competent, Nasu loves giving creators plenty of freedom when it comes to fate so it'd be pretty interesting to see a dude like Itagaki do his own take on it

>>714634108
I tried playing the original one for PS2, any tips? It's japanese only so idk what im supposed to do, I got the gist with the different attack strings and timing attacks

>>714637039
>I tried playing the original one for PS2, any tips?
Yes, skip that game and play the sequel. Also both have EU versions called Zombie Hunters.

>>714637039
dodge offset
it's old and before they got the dedicated dodge button, but roll with lock-on + jump like it's dmc
you can roll in the middle of string and pick up where you left off
if you roll with the same timing as cc, you can keep the bluehands going

>>714635837
Samurai Remnant was a weird instance of crossed wires resulting in something that was confused on development.
KT wanted it to be just a Soulslike (which would have quite sucked) but Nasu even though he's a Soulsfag admitted that it would turn off enough of Fate's core audience that he wanted them to up the action in the game, so at the end of the day it's a game that goes halfway between two massively contradictory game philosophies.
Though Nasu also apparently liked Bayonetta enough to rewrite CCC on a whim so an actual action game might not be impossible. One major problem though is picking a single character to focus on.
Fate is such a huge franchise now that it's difficult to justify a game if it doesn't give you a wide range of Servants to play as, a single option would be a hard pitch. Another problem is that having one single playable Servant you'd need to pick someone who justifies that large budget and it would need to be someone new, who seems important enough to carry a full spinoff. Figures like Jeanne d'Arc, Nero, Charlemagne and Yamato Takeru are all household names but Fate has actually adapted most of those household names in FGO and some of them would struggle to carry a game as the central protagonist (Attila tried).
There are certain franchises that just get too big that they can't realistically make a solid 1P action game since putting effort into a single fully fleshed-out character (or even 2-3) is less viable than making dozens of characters, even if the gameplay is more shallow, to cast a wider net. Now, Extellas weren't terrible as far as Musous go but Musous are still limited in their capabilities.

I'm sorry, but Ryu controlling like shit was excusable on Xbox but not on 360. It feels like ass to drive this nigger around like a car trying to get a dozen mobs in view of the zoomed in camera. What were they thinking?

>>714640224
You must be new because complaining about Ryu's movement is an immediate skill issue. NG has by far the best movement in the genre.

>>714640457
>jump away from enemy
>climb up wall and jump right into the group
lol

>>714640735
Should have thrown shurikens to prevent wall clings.

>>714640224
>Ryu
>Controlling like shit
This is strictly a (you) problem

>bro, my youtubernigger that played for 1000 hours can do it perfectly
This game was never popular because it has insane amounts of "that's not what I was trying to do" moments. It feels like shit. I jumped in the wrong direction because I was locked into a path despite holding my stick the complete opposite direction when I pressed A? You shouldn't need to practice jumping in a direction, your controls are just ass.

Trish owes me sex

They should have made it so flying swallow comes out no matter what tbdesu. Slamming straight down in front of like 10 in-range ninjas is just jank.

>>714641771
can't believe Itsuno chicked out on her and Dante's relationship

>>714641892
The most we'll ever get is her being his partner and DMC5's website stating their relationship remains a mystery.

>>714641678
Do you always complain this much? Sure as hell don't try and master mechanics.

>>714642262
>You need to master how to jump in the intended direction.
Nigger, an entire generation of baby games made this tech, and Faggotgaki was too dumb to try to put it in his game?

>>714642385
Avoid playing SM64. Might fry your brain.

>>714642607
Already has better movement than NG. Give Mario a sword and Nintendo could make a better action game than Team Nigger

Souls is to this genre as Smash is to traditional fighting games, there I said it

>>714642789
Actually a perfect comparison in many different ways.

>>714618321
I played like this my first time except I didn't know about dodge offset and pkp

>>714642789
Explain.

>>714620878
action game board

>>714641892
oedipus complex is gross and uncool so lady was the better alternative, lady is hotter too so its ok

>>714644351
>Lady
>He thinks Trish is incest
lmao. Even Itsuno burned your ship to the ground.

>>714644351
Trish would be weird and fucked up so it's better that way

>>714644409
itsuno bowed down to lady shipfags before he left (see peak of combat and netflix dmc)

>>714643915
no

>>714644713
NOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS FAKE THEY HATE EACH OTHER AND FIGHT ALL THE TIME THIS WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!

What's going on with Zone of the Enders 2? I've seen some people hype it's combat up but I don't get it by looking at it

>>714645017
https://youtu.be/moU81pLZ6wo?si=kQ5mh8UJXxlDqaXA

>>714645017
>fast movement
>stage interactions
>varied sub weapons
>distinct enemy boss line up
It good game.

>>714645089
too short of a video, doubt he goes super in-depth like most of his videos.

>>714645232
I think so

Nioh2 is peak action game and will easily surpass most action one if they make a game with similar combat system but add soft lock(like ninja gaiden)+lockon(good for 1v1 boss fights), better presentation(imo its the biggest weakness of nuTN right now), loot system is controversial since some lile it and some don't(i personally like it in nioh games) but they should make one without one just for the sake of change and expand the ki pulse/fluxing system(genuinely one of the coolest combat system in a modern game)

>>714645227
Is there actually a decent way to play it?
Steam release is like a coin flip on running like total shit and I believe PS2 has no JP audio track?

>>714645443
stop pushing the idea that lockon is bad. Lack of lock on works fine for NG but not Nioh where the position of yourself relative to their body matters a lot more. Imagine how clunky it would be to dodge behind an enemy to try and get extra backstab damage. It would be very annoying

>>714645834
As a DMCfag I'm so stunned at how often games don't use a lock-on button that you just hold to stay locked. It makes perfect sense and the standard being "press to toggle the lock-on" functionally is doing the same thing but is more awkward since you need to actively input a button press (sometimes on an awkward button like R3) to drop the lock-on.

>>714646207
no dude hold to lock-on is so fucking ass and one of the most retarded parts of DMC. There is no advantage to hold vs click other than it technically being faster to let go of hold but most of the time in DLC you're holding on lock-on until an enemy is dead

>>714646207
It makes more sense for games that are more 1v1 based desu, also I have no idea where that button would go in Nioh's control scheme

>>714646516
The lock-on system is also what lets one button do so many different things like Stinger and High Time.
DmC tried removing lock-on and it only proved why the lock-on was a necessary part of the game.
>>714646550
There is the issue of games with a lot of buttons but I find hold lock-on is more functional in games that aren't 1v1 based. It lets you focus on a single enemy but if you need to turn around or move somewhere else you don't need to remember to undo the lock-on. One thing that annoys me with toggle locks is that if you just press and forget then sometimes you can be like, "Why is the camera so fucked up here? Oh right because the lock-on was stuck to this enemy when I'm doing something in the opposite direction."

Bayo did lock-in the best

>>714645443
Does the thing in the webm actually happen in this game or did he go out of his way to pull every mob in the area into 1 place?

>>714647079
>is also what lets one button do so many different things like Stinger and High Time.
Bayonetta solved this without having to rely on lock-on, the game does have a lock-on similar to DMC but it's designed without having to rely on it at all and most people dont outside of very specific things

>>714647273
latrer

>>714647463
Extremely gay
I thought this was Legendary Dark Knight kino

>>714647273
I did find 6-7 mob at once in demo but he probably baited everyone from a area in that webm

>>714638581
>Though Nasu also apparently liked Bayonetta enough to rewrite CCC on a whim so an actual action game might not be impossible.
this senile mushroom man is such a fag for action games lol, he's fiending for that stylish action game with ufotable animated cutscenes

is it just me or are most of the extra weapons in bayo 1 kinda bleh

>>714648675
Most of the weapons in 1 are just variants on Scarborough outside of Odette (kind of limited), Durga, and the weapons you don't unlock until you've grinded out the game a bunch (Pillow Talk & Sai-Fung).

>>714648806
Shuraba.

I am curious about dmc1 remake, I think it might be even more resident evil than than the og release bc its so popular rn

>>714649080
The what now?

>>714649080
pls no, not another classic ruined

>>714649080
Wonder how Kamiya would handle it, if he actually wanted to work on it. Would he try to stick closer to the original? or try to make it closer to the newer games? or would he just do whatever the fuck he wanted and it end up being some wacky new thing

>>714649080
I don't know about that. Would've been real easy to make the new Onimusha a reskin of RE4make's knife mechanics as a katana but it's going a different direction entirely. DMC1 Remake would likely be about making it look & play like 5.

just realized that since this is capcom and they are, supposedly, remaking dmc1.
dmc3 remake WILL happen one day.

>>714649686
If it was by Itsuno maybe I'd give it a chance, but without him I know it will for sure be soulless slop.

>>714649171
>DMC1 Remake would likely be about making it look & play like 5.
Which would suck, DMC1 is its own thing and all it really needs is a better camera and quick swap command for the guns.

>>714649764
kamiya is the most soulful person in the industry

>>714649832
Only because he saps the soul from all he touches...

If your Action game isn't here it doesn't have Mission Results so it doesn't matter

mission result/ranking is literally social construct

>>714645443
Nioh2 can't be peak because your character moves in the direction of the analog stick

>>714647273
It happens for new player who doesn't know how mob aggro works in Nioh.

Nioh 3 (the webm) has different aggro system methinks because it's open field with enemy camps of 10+ mobs. Obviously mobs won't chase you forever so the game doesn't break.

>>714649935
Nigga that would be one BIG tier list if that's your only parameter.

the number one thing I hate about these games is when I am forced to walk around and collect blue balls to get max hp, fuck off with that shit

>>714653383
Just don't get hit, problem solved.

>>714645443
Nioh 3 actually has a Ninja Gaiden-style system where if you're locked on but point towards another close enemy you'll turn and attack them instead. But the lockon has always been easy to change back and forth during any action anyway so anyone that tries to complain about or use that against it, it's moot and a skill issue.

>>714644409
>Even Itsuno burned your ship to the ground
>Meanwhile its more popular now than ever before
Devil may Cry 3 was so, so, so good that not even Itsuno could fight against the current, people want more DantexLady

>>714653383
>NG
>BAYO
>DMC
>ONIMUSHA
>MGR
>SEKIRO
A lot of games do this albeit. So get used to it.

>Stuck on test of valor for hours
>Finally cave and use my Lottg just to get it over with
I feel awful. All that time wasted to be back at square one but with a smidge more HP

Is Segas PSO2 NGS a character action game? People keep calling it a gacha or MMO but they're neither on gacha threads or MMO threads.

>>714640735
Aside from throwing shurikens that prevent wall clinging, you need to realize that in ng2 specifically off the wall X is one of the best moves in the game on a lot of weapons, especially Dragon Sword and Lunar.

>>714640224
Also if you're having a hard time with movement in 3d ng, you are most likely not familiar with X+A which is a jump that targets the nearest enemy.

>>714645443
Man I can't wait for nioh 3. I wish they'd drop a pc beta

What do we think of what they've shown off so far

>>714656889
Looks like shit

>>714587027
Bro V is just Adam Driver

>>714584046 (OP)
I bought Werewolf Earthblood for £1.90. Currently got 62 minutes in it, the werewolf combat is fun enough but the stealth segments suck ass. Still playing with the idea of returning it.
One day we’ll get a GOOD WtA game, a true counterpart to Bloodlines.

>>714656889
Looks cool to me but I've never played an Onimusha game in my life

>>714657521
>never played an Onimusha game in my life
Time to fix that

>>714657647
Which ones do you recommend?

>>714657521
Play them in order, they're all varying degrees of good albeit by the time of DoD they'd pretty much become sub-DMC.

Jean Reno is best boy.

>>714657674
I'd recommend 3 and 4 maybe. At this point the games are quite outdated.

>>714656889
Art style is garbage. Gameplay seems pretty slow.

>>714657674
Warlords. That is required playthrough.

>>714655016
They want magnetic attacks. That's what their posts implied.

>>714584046 (OP)
>Reading this thread
You know, when I get to play Ninja Gaiden 4, I'm going to make sure to never interact with any of you miserable cunts. You're one of the worst communities I have ever come across. Nothing but a bunch of Turbo Karens.

>>714658020
Didn't read, post more Ayane pls

>>714658020
>You're one of the worst communities I have ever come across. Nothing but a bunch of Turbo Karens.
That's literally all of /v/. Although we did have a nice sop thread yesterday

>>714658115
I second this

>>714658020
It's just one poser samefagging though. His talking point against NG4 never changes.

>>714656889
>What do we think of what they've shown off so far
Better looking than Nioh 3.

>>714658328
This looks like a qte mess

>>714658328
>Parrying those fuck huge attacks
Now that silly.

>>714624562
Yes.

>>714658361
>This looks like a qte mess
It's nice to not have the screen filled with particle shit.

>>714658123
>we did have a nice sop thread yesterday
Link?

>>714658328
It's not hard to look better than Nioh 3. But Nioh 3 will likely be more fun to play.

>>714658518
It feels like a slower and realistic DMC game. Musashi moves like he is locking on enemies.

Isn't this basically a general at this point?

>>714658595
>But Nioh 3 will likely be more fun to play
Have you played the new Onimusha game?

>>714658518
Is this ghost of tsushima. Jesus christ what a mess

>>714658328
Looks great but it's hard to say anything about the combat system just from these clips. Need more gameplay videos.

>>714658576
>>714598796

>>714658492
>cutscene
Show me actual gameplay

>>714658020
When you notice half of the posts are just like 4 different Twitter/Bluesky users stalking the threads to try and sway public opinion without even being able to back up their points you really can't unsee it.

>>714658020
You just know that Ayane will be DLC bait, there is no way she doesn't.

>>714658868
>like 4 different Twitter/Bluesky users
Who? I don't stick around there long enough to recognize them.

>>714656889
Japanese nu-GoW

>>714658328
Why is everything blue

>>714658328
... if you are blind

>>714658805
I think the the only videos I have saved are glitches because Ubishit. But that game seriously has a bunch of DMC stuff on it (like High Time and your projectile weapon keeping you in the air and ), you can tell the devs were fans. You can do some pretty long combos once you get a few tools but it's a metroidvania so it doesn't really work all that well with the rest of the game design.

>>714659216
>... if you are blind
It will sell a fuck-ton more too.

>>714627191
>OG Ryu
SOVL
>3D Ryu
soulless

>>714659274
Even after MH wilds?

>>714659274
Elden ring sold anon, no need to troll

>>714659425
>no need to troll
I'm not trolling. This is trolling:

>Onimusha is Nioh, but better.

But it might just end up being true.

>>714659558
I think it will be Sekiro, but better.

>>714659617
>I think it will be Sekiro, but better.
Not that difficult desu

>>714659558
>But it might just end up being true.
Maybe if nioh and onimusha were in a bamham look a like competition

>>714650245
>your character moves in the direction of the analog stick
what's wrong with that?

>>714658778
Since you linked the thread and I never got around to saying it, the Warrior of Light set in fact holds up till DLC3 and is good enough even through that, the Job Affinity % it gives is on par with gear dropped at that point alongside it giving the strongest survival bonuses outside of 400% Dark Knight. It also only needs to level to around 300 during Bahamut which is easy since the new mission levels increase steadily and trials offer plenty of crystals.

>>714659558
The original Onimusha's had a very simple combat system and I don't think the new one is going to be too far from it, probably a bigger focus on the Issen mechanic that was already present and some environmental stuff. Not sure if they'll be cuhraaazy at all. Hopefully you won't have to go into the menu to equip weapons in t his one lmao.

>>714659724
Probably referring to GOD HAND. Never played that so don't know.

>>714659772
>very simple combat system
He doesn't know

>>714659784
god hand has fucking tank controls

>>714659809
??? I've played all 3 (DoD was shit and doesn't count.) If you don't know about the secret Oyu sex scene gifts then you don't know shit about Onimusha.

>>714659813
obviously that's the joke about action game retards glazing god hand

>>714659813
Good.

>>714659617
It looks slower than sekiro

I somehow missed that SNK were making a SamSho ARPG. Should I have any hope that it'll be good or at best will it just be a bootleg Nioh?

https://www.gematsu.com/2024/07/new-art-of-fighting-game-and-samurai-shodown-action-rpg-in-development

>>714658518
Look at those other enemies just staring at you waiting for their turn

>>714657313
Played it for a while before dropping it, was hoping it would be a proper action vidya but there was too much emphasis on cutscenes, talking and stealth sections when it should have just been an action heavy like DMC or NG with werewolves tearing corpofaggots and their goons apart. Maybe it gets better later but I didn't bother to stick around, I'll give it another chance if anons got to the end game and say its worth the stretch.

>>714659216
Turn off the fanboy vision. Nioh 3 looks marginally better than 2.

>>714660348
I wonder why people who said things like this never post side to side comparison.

>>714658328
yeah well nioh is pure gomi-ge only played by loners scraping the barrel of game catalogues so that's not a high bar

>>714659946
>Should I have any hope that it'll be good or at best will it just be a bootleg Nioh?

that's probably even a stretch. realistically expect something more in line with nights of azure or that dragon quest dai game

>>714660405
Because it's a pain in the ass to compile? You can look up the videos yourself.

>>714660528
ok so you don't play games and you judge graphics by compressed streams

>>714660348
>Nioh 3 looks marginally better than 2.
I wouldn't care if it looked the same as long as they make it just as good or better

>>714660528
>compile
speaking of which, NG2 recomp when?

>>714660823
>NG2
Not missing much

>>714585257
Wrong fucking newfag hack and slashes were old MMOs and muds, early into Diablo it was also referred to has a hack and slash
It was the xplay normalnigger generation that started calling them hack and slash in the early 2010s

>>714660570
You're right, I don't play games that are not out yet.
>>714660573
I'm not criticizing the gameplay, but it's silly to say nioh 3 looks better than the latest onimusha.

>>714661041
>what's nioh 3 demo
yeah you also won't be playing it when it's out

>>714661041
>I'm not criticizing the gameplay, but it's silly to say nioh 3 looks better than the latest onimusha.
It's kind of a bizarre metric for an action game. I think ghost of tsushima looks better than anything team ninja put out but it's borderline unplayable with how dull and uninteresting the combat is, so the whole game is a waste. Onimusha looks nice but the gameplay looked very batman as someone already pointed out

>DMC 3
>Gunslinger style
>Sword and Gun on shoulder buttons
Kino

>>714661142
>what's nioh 3 demo
Something that is not available on PC. I'm not buying a console, thanks.
>>714661150
Bizzare or not, we were comparing the visuals specifically. I don't see anything resembling bamham, it's more similar to sekiro which I love. The game seems to be focusing a lot on clashing and deflecting attacks with your sword. Looks good to me both gameplay wise and visually. Of course I'd love to try a demo.

>>714624562
blazblue entropy effect

>>714661423
>I didn't play the game
>I can see the graphics
retard

>>714658617
It's generally a general at this point in a general sense.

>>714661549
How far up your ass do you have to be to claim that you can't judge the visuals by looking at gameplay footage?

>>714661423
>I don't see anything resembling bamham
Getting crowded by enemies all taking turns to take slow swings with generous timings is very bamham

>>714661668
What kind of retard are you that you don't know what video compression is?
Free yourself from this mortal coil.

>>714661668
>moving goalpost
still waiting for nioh 2 and nioh 3 comparison

>>714661834
If you claim that the visuals are ruined by video compression, you're just coping. Running the game without upscaling won't make it look that much better.

>>714661891
>moving goalpost
Did you dream it? Anyway, keep waiting.

>>714661958
yeah you don't know shit

>>714662106
Yeah you're coping.

finish bayo 1, watch the anime movie, skip bayo 2+3

>>714660348
Having played the alpha this is not true, 3 has a massive readability problem and looks much worse visually, the gameplay is much worse as well