Behold the biggest city in Skyrimjob

>I want a giant repetitive city with a thousand unnamed NPCs

>>714668361
meanwhile witcher 3

>I want a city shaped like a gun!

you know, I'm kind of surprised some autist hasn't taken it upon himself to quadruple the size of the base map just so he could make the cities much bigger as well

I'm guessing it'd just be too much work with all the AI paths to take into account and all the questing bullshit going on

>>714668246 (OP)
Have you ever been to the cloud district?

>>714668570
Isn't the "Cloud District" literally just Dragonsreach?

>>714668570

>>714668481
There's plenty of city enlargement mods on Nexus, there's one that basically turns Solitude into a Novigrad-style metropolis with a ton of shit outside the walls as well.
Problem is unless you have the best or close to the best hardware it absolutely destroys your framerate.
The craziest thing though is that some people genuinely take the FPS loss to turn Skyrim into a bloated 4K mess.

I fucking hate towns in vidya.
>HEEEY PLAYER, CHECK OUT 40 DIFFERENT SHOPS, JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!
>meantime real life:

>>714668847
yeah but the mods that make the cities larger only serve to make the map smaller, since the world is already so small and the distance between the cities is so short, making the cities bigger only makes that issue worse

or at least that's how it felt for me the last time I played the game in VR

>>714668481
Why bother? When the next TES game comes nobody is gonna care.
You either make OC or waifu mods, or if you want to do lore map extension mods you go to a game in which autists will actually remain for a long time, that is, Morrowind.

>>714669047
Yeah that's a fair complaint, probably something ES6 will address whenever Bethesda decide to actually release more info on it.
But yeah making Skyrim's map bigger would probably be next to impossible with how much tweaking you'd need to do.

>>714668927
I feel it's the exact opposite.
>Welcom to our bustling Metropolis, Hero!
>3 houses and 1 store and 5 guys standing around

>>714668831
Can't a man have a bit of butt piracy?

>>714668246 (OP)
TES Games aren't actually very big, they just make it seem that way.
Morrowind cities are like 2 or 3 mountains away from each other.

>>714668361
Yes I do actually, it is an immersive role playing game, I want to be immersed.

>>714668847
name the mods for the cities.
I want Riften to look like a large ass city where every drink might be laced with paralyze poison so angry drunk fishers can rape you both male and female

>>714668447
That's still bumfuck nowhere tier as far as IRL scale is concerned

>>714670253
enhanced solitude is pretty good

>>714668447
You pretty much proved his point. 99% of the NPCs in that city don't have homes or schedules, they phase in and out of existence depending on which direction the player is facing. Which tbf is still a step up from the Morrowind method having 500 named characters that stand in one place 24/7 and have 0 unique lines of dialogue.

>>714668847

>>714668246 (OP)
damn the capital of skyrim looks like that?

>>714670562
literally nobody but delusional Bethesda drones believe that

>I fucking hate towns in vidya.
>>HEEEY PLAYER, CHECK OUT 40 DIFFERENT SHOPS, JUST LIKE REAL LIFE!
>>meantime real life:

>>714670562
You don't need to speak with every NPC or follow them around all day.

>>714668481
>quadruple the size of the base map
it's basically impossible you might as well make a new game like enderal

>>714670841
did the truth hurt that much?

>>714670253
>Riften
it's in a weird position because despite being a fan favourite there are basically no mods that expand its interior similar to how Capital Whiterun/Windhelm Expansion does, or the Solitude expansion mods.
There's a few for the exterior though, and I normally use:
Riften Docks Overhaul - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/40021
Southwood District - https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/47074
Northshore District -
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/128258
I had trouble running these and maintaining a stable 60fps on my old PC (i7 4770 and RTX 2080) though, although I was running a bunch of visual mods too which some of the blame can fall on.

>>714670941
im sure it is real in your head

>>714668246 (OP)
>half of the city built on a giant fucking rock arch with no further support
yeah, I'll stick with Falkreath

>>714670841
Not an argument.

>>714670892
No, but the fact that you can is what makes the TES games unique. You'd have to be a fucking moron to not understand the appeal of that. You have a million choices if you want an open world game full of fake NPCs that only exist to create the illusion of a crowd.

>>714671182
It makes TES games "unique" because that's a unique limitation of their ancient engine.
Without said limitation they could have kept the same number of interactive NPCs while adding a bunch of filler ones.

>>714668246 (OP)
I like skyrim, its comfy as fuck. Doubt bethesda can reach its level these days,shame really

>>714671486
holy cope

>>714669587
try getting to third act in bg3

>ran on ps3

>>714668447
>all generic NPCs without names, houses or jobs
>99% of buildings you can't enter
Wow so immersive!

>>714668927
Walmart didn't exist during the the time period that fantasy games are usually based on, you high fructose corn syrup drinking fuckwit.

>>714670562
What's the point of having NPCs with schedules and homes if you won't interact with them either. I can't name a single Solitude NPC.

>>714671182
It's what makes Oblivion and Skyrim unique, and it permanently fucked the series and Fallout in the process. There is a middle ground anyways, "muh thousand generic NPCs" nobody is asking for Daggerfall 2.

>>714671834
>our game is awful because those were awful times
that actually sums up kcd2 pretty well

>>714671879
speak for yourself
I wish Starfield was that Daggerfall 2.

>>714671486
>unique limitation of their ancient engine
You don't know anything about game engines, you probably can't even write fizzbuzz lmao
>they could have kept the same number of interactive NPCs while adding a bunch of filler ones
Which is the direction their last few games have been going in anyway. FO4 had plenty of filler NPCs to keep mongs like you happy, TES VI will have even more.

Bethesda drones are the most delusional, brain damaged subhuman playerbase in gaming, no wonder their entire modding community is just troons spamming porn mods

>>714668927
>Ah yes, a central hub with everything you will ever need in a single spot in a huge world. >Surely players will find other reasons to travel to the nooks and crannies of the map... right?

>>714670562
lmao the 5houses and 3npc with 2 line text dialogue each by the same voice actor and loading screen every 5 steps because engine shits itself its not in the same universe in terms of immersive city experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh4BTSmOBXY

>>714668246 (OP)
>download solitude expanded
Problems solved. Vanilla cities were laughably small, it was like a ps2 game

>>714671834
Bullshit retard

and this is the biggest city in RDR2

>>714670892
I do. I installed an AI mod so they can talk even more

>>714674595
but can u walk into every house and have deep meaningful conversation with every NPC

>>714668246 (OP)
RIDDLE ME THIS, would the game be more fun with giant cities?
I mean we have tons of those. Maybe a smaller scale with more "meaningfull" content is why its so liked?

>>714668447
And how many of those houses can you enter? How many NPC actually have anything meaningful to say?

>>714674852
>skyrim
>"meaningfull" content
dont fucking make me laugh

>>714668246 (OP)
No levitation spells? The beginning of the end for the Elder Scrolls.

>>714674895
I can guarantee you can have more unique conversations in novigrod and enter into more buildings than in skyrim

>>714675021
Point is a Witcher City is about the same size as a Skyrim city if you remove all the padding

Genuine question with comparisons like these >>714668447


Why the need to be disingenuous? Skyrim was beholden to its engine capabilities and the interactivity with the world it provided. Go play Witcher 3 and tell me it's as immersive as even the smallest town in Skyrim. You can meme but here's the facts

Witcher 3 Novigrad
>90% of the buildings are unenterable
>try to speak to an NPC "Huh?"
>only loot consists of shit in drawers that interact the exact same way as if you looted a corpse of a bunch of flowers outside in Helen

Contrasted to Skyrim where virtually every NPC can be spoken too, every house can be entered and every item/loot can be picked up, thrown or manipulated in some way.

I don't even get why people bring up Novigrad so much. Why not bring up GTA 5? It fucking mogs anything CDPR has ever released in terms of city due to the simple fact that the NPCs are way more detailed than even CyberSoy 420s Night City that gets jerked off.

CDPR used its world as set dressing, Skyrims world, like Oblivion, like Morrowind is the entire game.

Linear Narrative Experience versus a fantasy life simulator. That's why Skyrim is still talked about to this day and more popular/successful than your favorite RPG.

Cry about it

>>714675079
>moving goal posts
no its not, nobody thinks skyrim cities are better than novigrod besides super unhinged bethasda drones like you

>>714670562
>500 named characters that stand in one place 24/7 and have 0 unique lines of dialogue.
But this is realism, because IRL only 1% of however you meet has a relevant interaction with you, the rest are basically NPCs in my world.

Behold, the jewel of the Empire.

>>714675172
>Skyrim was beholden to its engine capabilities and the interactivity with the world it provided. Go play Witcher 3 and tell me it's as immersive as even the smallest town in Skyrim.
Witcher 3 is infinitely more immersive than any Bethesda slop. Why? Because the moment I enter a city my brain doesn't start screaming "this isn't even a hamlet because there's barely any farms or anything that makes sense as to how human cities actually develop".

Which is to be expected, after all Bethesda are americans that only see actual, real cities when they're on holiday.

>>714675172
skyrim is a 2012 game which got rereleased and remastered gorrilion times while witcher 3 is 2015, its 3 years of difference for gigantic improvement over literally everything besides the dogshit sandbox ""experience"" skyrim had over it.

>>714675182
>nobody
I've played Skyrim, Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. The worlds in Witcher 3/Cyberpunk 2077 are static set dressing. Skyrim mogs it in terms of immersion and you can cry all you want about it

>>714668361
Why not. I don't need to know every passerby by name.

>>714675334
>>714675338
If Witcher 3s world is far more immersive, why do so many more people still play Skyrim more than it despite it being far older?

>mods
Witcher 3 has mods
>not as many mods
Because nobody gives a fuck enough to mod it.

Cry :^)

Skyrims the numbers on the right btw (same goes for Cyberpunk 2077 too)

>>714675351
you must be genuinely retarded or trolling if you think skyrim cities are not static set dressing but 10 smaller and with way less variety than witcher 3 cities.

@714675459
Lmao retard

>>714675459
Pic related are Witcher 3s numbers

>>714675470
Can you physically pick up items in Witcher 3
Can you attack the civilians
Can you enter every building
Can you speak to every NPC

When your answer is no. Acknowledge that you're literally arguing for more glorified props that your zoomer ADHD brain needs to fill up your screen for you to be immersed in a city.

Literal style over substance. Cry about it

>>714675531
>>714675459
>bethesda drone so unhinged they faking easily to verify graphs
https://steamdb.info/app/292030/charts/#max
https://steamdb.info/app/489830/charts/

>>714675172
Based and factpilled.

>>714674192
I got sick of cities like this after the first two assassins creed games

>>714668246 (OP)
I don't mind the tiny cities, my problem is that the lore doesn't account for it.
If your engine can at best make a town with a max of like 12 houses in it, then the story should be written around that instead of pretending like the tiny village with a dozen houses is the imperial stronghold home to a continental trading hub and thousands of people.

>>714668831
I'll have you know there's not PUSSEEEEE

>>714675214
yes but why would you want to live your boring life in a game?

>>714675623
nigger, read your own links

The right is Skyrim again. it mogs witcher 3 (and Cyberpunk 2077 even if you include the bump it got from EdgerRunners 2 being announced)

>>714675605
>physically pick up items
>everything inside any home is dogshit
>attack the civilians
>hope you enjoy infinitely generated guard clones trying to kill you
>enter every building
>see 1
>speak to every NPC
>unless you have business with them they'll just have generic topics that repeat forever

>>714675810
All that greentext cope was not necessary.

You could have simply replied with "no you can't do that in Witcher 3" and I would have accepted your concession all the same.

>>714675605
why would i care if i can do pointless crap like stealing candles from copy pasted empty houses when the biggest """""cities"""" have size of immersive breaking podunk lmao

>Witcherfags are excited to play as this

The funniest part is, you Eurocucks won't even be able to mod her to look less trans after your own dogshit continent outlawed booba mods unless you DOX yourself to the Nexus

>>714668246 (OP)
What do they eat?

ENTER

>>714675792
literally more people are playing Witcher 3 right now and the numbers are twice as high as you posted >>714675531 you dishonest turbo bethestanigger. Also witcher 3 is GOG main game and im sure way bigger percentage of people is playing there

>>714676112
Queen Elisif's ass

The whole "cities in games" argument has no answer, because real life cities aren't interesting or interactive. Sure, there might be some pretty, historic buildings or what have you, some stores and such, but by and large they're not exactly rife with adventure, unless you count getting stabbed and/or mugged by minorities. So a video game city can be either small but consistently interesting, or big but emulate an RL city, meaning largely uninteractive and dull.

I think the Yakuza games kind of nailed it by not even pretending to emulate an entire city. They picked one neighborhood, but crammed it to bursting with interesting, varied visuals, shit to do, people to meet, and activities, with the rest of the city being just a skybox. I think it's an overall pretty good way to have your cake and eat it.

>>714668361
They did that with Starfield. I hope they go back to proper sized cities in TES 6.
No wasted space.

>>714676186
Actually not true based on your own graph.

>Witcher 3
>27779

https://steamdb.info/app/292030/
Skyrim
https://steamdb.info/app/72850/
>1809


https://steamdb.info/app/611670/
>273


The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Special Edition
https://steamdb.info/app/489830/
>25833


That totals to 27915. There's numerous versions of Skyrim remember :^)

But I was referring to monthly averages and also following your own graph (that only shows peaks btw). Skyrim mogs it.

Skyrim Peaks
>last 30 days = 37304
>June = 40597
>May = 50685
>April = 44153
>etc

Witcher 3 Peaks
>Last 30 days - 35010
>June = 35010
>May = 42217
>April = 24224

Averages it gets even worse

>>714676524
Bethesda did DC and Boston well.

>no one on /v/ remembers Skyrimjob's daily thread about all the removed features leading up to the release

>>714676186
>Also witcher 3 is GOG main game and im sure way bigger percentage of people is playing there
Skyrims also on GOG

And until you provide a source, i'm not gonna believe that a dead platform like GOG comes close to Steam. I don't care what you're "sure is bigger" until you can put confirmed numbers to it

>>714676943
Are you confusing Skyrim with Cyberpunk?
> No I was talking about the weirdos crying about ladders and spears.
Fair enough.

>>714670234
>he gets immersed with uninteractable NPCs and homes you can't enter

Got just the immersive game for you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykdDdgyFWMw

>>714668246 (OP)
>The worst thing about Morthal isn't Morthal, it's that Solitude is 5 minutes away.
Morthal sissies... our response?

Kuttenberg won

>>714668246 (OP)
Small castle cities actually make sense in a medieval fantasy. But they should far more hamlets strewn across the countryside. And skyrim doesn't have near enough agriculture to support the population. Especially when you consider the shorter growing season it must have

>>714668246 (OP)
>Put one of your more important buildings at the very end of a protruding piece of rock that has no support

>>714676919
>blatantly lies and posts fake data
>now trying to save face has to add all possible Skyrim releases to compare it to only one version of Witcher 3 to barely edge a 200 current player """win""" on Steam only when witcher 3 main platform is GOG

you are embarrassing and just proving my opinion that bethesda drones are mentally retarded

>>714677628
You
That is structurally unsound.

Everybody else
Looks cool though.

>>714677657
>blatantly lies and posts fake data
Are you saying the data you posted is fake now?
>by adding all the possible skyrim releases
Is a Skyrim release suddenly not Skyrim?

Face it, Witcher 3 is mogged using the own stats you provided. Find better stats next time

>>714675172
TRVKE

>>714677657
> If you only use the facts I say you can use then I am clearly correct.
Good for you to never let facts stand in the way of a good argument.

>>714677657
Oh and in me posting that.

Skyrim just went up to 26396
https://steamdb.info/app/489830/charts/

Taking the total up to 28978

Say it with me
>MOGGED
>O
>G
>G
>E
>D

>>714668361
FPBP
EVERY SINGLE TIME

By the way for all shartrannies who hates Skyrim and Bethesda, but floods the catalog with wow shilling threads, reminder, YOUR COMPANY AND BOARD LOST, ALL WERE FIRED AND YOUR COMPANY IS ON THE VERGE OF BEING DISSOLVED AS OBSIDIAN FOR LOW PROFIT REFUNDS WITH DIABLO 4 AND WOW

>>714677521
>Especially when you consider the shorter growing season it must have
While it is true the growing season up north is shorter, due to the longer days in the summer it basically supercharges the growing season so it balances out. It's still easier to grow stuff further south but not due to the growing season but due to the weather. A sudden cold snap in the summer can royally fuck up the crops. So the 'shorter growing season' in isolation is not a problem. (assuming tamriel follows roughly the same logic as earth/europe)
t. finn

>>714677858
no the screenshots YOU posted all i did is post links to database you derange subhuman.
Even on Steam Skyrim has less reviews, worse rating and pretty much everyone agrees its an inferior game, stay mad nigger.

>>714676943
The only things I remember about pre-launch Skyrim is that it got leaked several days early and became a huge viral hit immediately since the first thing most people did in the open world was run into the giant that's close to the starting area which oneshots the player into the orbit

>>714677427
pretty much
insane it took this long for someone to post it
but then again /v/aggots don't play vidya

>>714668447
cute village

>>714678121
I am sorry about your public education but it is "fewer reviews" not "less reviews"
Also
Not sure how a marketing team flooding reviews is indicative of anything. Well other than a healthy marketing budget.

>>714678121
It was an alternative source that I used for Averages, something your website doesn't provide. Even the peaks are within a margin of error.

So disregard the sources i'll use, we'll stick with your ones. They make my point all the same.

>Even on Steam Skyrim has less reviews, worse rating and pretty much everyone agrees its an inferior game, stay mad nigger.
It has more players.
>everyone agrees
Who's everyone?

Point me to the Witcher general on /vg/, i'd like to ask them what their opinion is seeing as apparently everyone shares it. Oh wait, one doesn't exist, because your game is dead as fuck (even the modding scene). LMAO. Just look where you are. You're in a Skyrim thread right now, not a Witcher 3 thread.

>>714678402
I accept you concession

>>714678476
I have no problem conceding to feeling bad about you being a victim of the public education system.
It is tragic how ill prepared they sent you out into the world.

>>714678476
What concession, that your own source showed Witcher 3 having fewer players than Skyrim each and every month the past year?

Why not make a Witcher 3 thread if you wanna discuss your dead game so much. I'm sure it'll hit 10 posts before it 404s.

Friendly reminder that the subhumans who are flooding the catalog with Skyrim is "le bad" are from >>714678030 mentioned.
Retards like >>714678121 cant even troll right because they simply want ragebait threads to shit on bethesda and TES in general with no game to shill it because they always get exposed quickly, and they always go on defensive if someone shits on Blizzard.

>>714678621
Anon was stung by my pointing out his inferior education.
It is understandable and not his fault. His teachers sent him out without the tools to succeed.

>>714668361
Tamriel Rebuilt handily showed that you can do incomparably better than what bethesda does with the same fucking tools and style.
Skyrim's cities just aren't good enough by any standard.

>>714668447
Zero interactivity zero reason to go back there unlike cities in Skyrim
Witcher is also a woke game with trannies fags and unironic STRONK WOMEN writing

>>714668361
I'll never interact with most people in a city I visit, but I like to see them do stuff because it creates an ambiance.

CDPR shill trannies are getting uppity again
witcher game is shit and woke
Cyberpunk is shit and woke
You lost

>>714668361
>There are only two possibilities for anything ever

>>714675172
Witcher 3, Skyrim, and 2077 are all good games. Skyrim just needs a few combat balancing and graphical mods and it's still just as fun as it was back in 2012.

>>714678619
>>714678621
You keep arguing about popularity adding multiple Skyrim versions to compere it to a single Witcher 3 steam release, meanwhile purposely omitting it was GOG first promoted there for years and despite all that its still super close ONLY on Steam and has a lot more reviews and much higher rating, yet you still try to paint it as some kind of a win, further shows how deranged and out of touch with the world bethesda drones are.

>>714679385
This nigger has wandered away from the zoo, look at him and laugh

>>714675172
>Why the need to be disingenuous
Its all /v/edditors have

>>714678789
Skyrim is unironically dogshit game and everyone who calls it good is <80iq subhuman s oxygen wasting nigger and should be euthanized

>>714679234
> TR added 10k hours of content.
Well that was stupid of them.

>>714679530
Are you arguing we are fools for using the metrics you provided?

>>714679558
YWNBAW

>>714679637
And the blizztranny who is using CDPR is seething again

>>714679234
Bethesda showed they can make good cities with DC and Boston

>>714671859
Starfield was made for mongoloids like you

>>714668246 (OP)
When will a game have a good high quality town?
Is it even possible with how lazy the devs of today are?

>>714679750
this entire thread is bethesda troons denying reality, day of the rope cant come soon enough for you subhuman

>>714668246 (OP)
I'd rather have smaller cities that are easy to get around in than massive ones you can get lost in. I know that sounds like the opposite of immersion, but in these games you're trying to do stuff right? Getting lost in a safe area and running around in circles because you don't know where to go is a huge not fun for me. It's like the Citadel from Mass Effect 1, you just had this big thematic opening level, and now you're stuck in a city just walking around trying to figure out where to go next. It's awful. Skyrim cities might be small, but it's easy to figure out where you are and where you're going, and that's more important.

>>714679880
>n-n-no u
every single time the blizztranny and CDPRtranny says otherwise

>>714679876
>When will a game have a good high quality town?

>>714679234
>Tamriel Rebuilt
Who?

>>714680008
>implying
like i said bethesda drones are mentally ill

>>714679880
I don't think anyone is under any illusion about current Bethesda.
Pre woke Bethesda made some of the finest games ever.
Don't forget your precious Witcher 3 lost to Fallout 4 for the most prestigious GOTY awards. BAFTA is the British Academy awards and DICE is a panel of industry peers.
Go ahead and celebrate the dorito popes GOTY. I am sure all the people on potatoland are quite impressed. Should use it as a doorstop.

>>714679234
>Tamriel Rebuilt handily showed that you can do incomparably better than what bethesda does with the same fucking tools and style.
The mod that has been unfinished for a decade and a half showed what exactly?
That morrotroons have no standards?

>>714680194
A shifty Morrowind mod they have been working on for two decades.
Still haven't added voice acting.

>>714680027
2077's map is God tier, but even then it doesn't have the level of interactivity I want since most of the places you enter are either quest or gig related at some point or shops and there's not a lot of dialogue you can have with npc's outside of quests again.

>WoWfag larping as CDPR shill still calling bethesda fans troons
he's fuming by now

>>714679530
So let me get this straight

>I claim Skyrim is more popular than Witcher 3
>you refute this with another source that happens to prove my initial claim to be correct
>you finally read your own source that you provided
>you realize you've inadvertedly proved my own argument for me
>now you're trying to back peddal and act like popularity doesn't matter

Am I on the right track anonkun?
>GOG brought up again
Skyrim is also on GOG, I don't care what you think or feel about how popular either Skyrim or Witcher 3 is on that dead platform, the fact is you cannot prove it so arguing it is pointless.

The beautiful thing about 4chan is when you take an L like you just did now, you can hide behind anonymity and stop replying at any time.

So do that. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you now.

>>714680027
mogged by GTA IV and GTA V almost a decade before it

>>714679886
>Getting lost in a safe area and running around in circles because you don't know where to go is a huge not fun for me
I'm the opposite, I enjoy getting lost and ending up somewhere completely by accident. Sometimes it leads to something fun , other times im fairly punished for being such an idiot with no sense of direction

>>714670415
>>714670642
Need more houses

>>714680282
>Morrowind
Who?

>>714668246 (OP)
>>714668447
35 year old here. I think Witcher 3 and Skyrim are both "fine at best" (thus being in the same tier of game), and if you disagree with me it's because you're an underaged retard who didn't actually experience the growth of the video game industry and will thus never have any valid views in comparison to mine. Simple as! Hahaha!

>>714680027
>novigrad 2.0 but with neon lights
lol no
nothing is enterable again and the npcs are boring husks with maybe 3 interesting lines between them

>>714680546
Skyrim > your favorite boomershit RPG

>>714680583
>nothing is enterable again
A lot is enterable it's just that most of those area are side gig areas where gangs hang out. Way , way more than GTA V which has basically nothing and is disappointing since GTA IV actually did have a lot of buildings and areas you could enters and escape police from

>>714680525
An old TES mobile game.

>>714671829
>you don't know the names of people you pass in the street and can't enter most of the buildings!
So just like real life then?

r-rimjob...

>>714668447
>can't enter almost all of the houses
Shit game

>>714680778
Except in real life, if you're a criminal with a gun you actually can b&e into everything you see

>>714679241
Here's that reply you wanted so badly.

>>714680232
TR is about as unfinished as any mmorpg is.
It adds areas in the mod equivalent of expansions every year adding tons of vanilla quality content
All the big cities in the mainland shit on their Vvardenfell equivalents, nevermind the contemptible Oblivion and Skyrim ones.

>>714679234
I hate using a shartroon pic but NO BODY ASKED FOR YOUR MORROWTRANNY FAGGOTRY IN A SKYRIM THREAD, NOW CHOP YOUR DICK FOR VIVEC AND LADY N PISSCORD SOMEWHERE ELSE /r/morrowind

>>714680890
Way to miss the point, retard.
Modders proved themselves better than bethesda at using bethesda's own tools in Skyrim as well: Ark shat in Solitude's mouth.

>>714680885
How many cities has it added to Morrowind?
How long would it take to complete each cities content?
You do realize time is not an infinite resource.
I don't think the mod makers thought this one throug.

I never understood the claim that bethesda makes the best open world immersive experiences in games.

Don’t get me wrong I love their games and no other developer quite makes the same experience but to call them realistic is missing the point

To me bethesda makes the best virtual playsets. Their towns being like 9 building and 13 people remind me of being a kid and playing with action figures where id build a town out shoeboxes and cardboard.

Hell even the jankiness of the npcs reminds me of toys when you’d bash your darth vader and donatello action figures together to make them fight.

They’re imaginary toybox experiences

>>714681121
Using the numbers provided already I submit the following
If everyone is currently playing a modded version of Skyrim and we take Todd at his word about 60 mill in sales that means mod enthusiasts account for 1/10th of 1% of the entire Skyrim fan base.

Not quite the powerhouse you portrayed now is it?

>>714680385
After you got absolutely assblasted and couldnt defend pathetic Skyrim hamlet tier cities, you moved goalpost and brought cherry picked Steam numbers to argue it makes Skyrim better. Only dishonest and deranged bethesda drone would bring stats of games released on different platforms and then claim popularity of those dubious stats equates with game quality. Please kill yourself faggot.

>>714679242
This, i love the hustle and bustle of a big city

>>714680451
Sure, if there are fun things to find. But 'getting punished' for getting lost is dumb. How about some bandits that try to rob me I can fight off and one gets away I can track down, or maybe a tavern that has minigames, or a random side quest I can find? Instead, the punishment is 'you wasted your time because you felt like looking around'.

>>714681220
And yet everyone who tried to replicate what they do fail miserably
Avowed the most recent fail, and Oblivion Remastered buried that game hard

>>714668570
>>714668831
The guy doesn't even have his own home to sleep in

>>714681220
Don't overthink shit. People just enjoy playing them.

>>714678789
>>714678030
Meds. NOW

>>714681478
>n-n-no u
Again faggot?

>>714681160
If we use Balmora as a point of reference for cities, it added about 10, with 3 of them being Vivec sized.
About the same as Vvardenfell cities
The modders thought this through perfectly: every expansion is an excuse for a new playthrough and you have enough content to go 0-40 before retiring the character and wait for the next one.

>>714668927
supermarkets requires high tech level logistics to function, which is costly for low tech civilizations.

>>714681478
Just take the L and move on.
We get you are mad at having to eat it in front of an audience but all you are doing is feeding my Schadenfreude habit.

>>714681160
It's not meant for completionists, retard. What kind of idiot must consoom every morsel of content a game has, flattening it all to a checklist of quests?

>>714681514
because bethesda games are product of its time and aged like milk and nobody wants to play that obsolete garbage in 2025

>>714681450
Lmao imagine arguing ad populum in the context of mods
Is enderal even accessible to console players?

>>714681605
You speak of levels when I asked about time.
That actually answers the question if they thought things through. They clearly didn't

>>714681686
>>714681597
no arguments huh? im sure you won like skyrim cities are better than novigrod in your unhinged mind lmao

>>714681478
>brought cherry picked
>used his own stats
Lmao

Pathetic

>>714681739
>>714681860
>n-n-no u again
the fag ran out of arguments, by the way, everyone was praising oblivion's open world for being a million times better than CDPR and modern garbo of late BECAUSE IT WAS BETTER THAN STARFIELD AND EVERY FUCKING RPG GAME THAT CAME OVER THE LAST 6 YEARS JACKASS

Also your Witcher 3 lost to fallout 4
Your tranny Journos couldn't stop Nate the RAKE

>>714670349
Pretty reasonable for a medieval fortress city.

>>714668927
What games depict modern burgeristan hellscape and have shops in them?

>>714681851
>You speak of levels when I asked about time.
I gave you a time comparison to the base game, which means you're not in a position to criticize the mod unless you're willing to criticize the game in the same way.
The use of levels on the other hand explicitates the viability of consuming content in portions rather than 100% every playthrough, which good luck arguing against in a fucking rpg.

giant cities/metropolis were best represented in the pre-rendered background ps1 era

>>714680853
Geralt is a good boy who dindu nuffin.

>>714682001
Who hurt you?

>>714681860
Skyrim cities are better than Novigrad*

Why you ask? Because I can actually interact in said cities instead of just pushing the left thumb analogue stick down following one yellow quest markeron the minimap to the next which is literally the only form of gameplay Novigrad* offers.

Meanwhile in Skyrim i'll be fucking my wife (can marry) infront of the adopted child whose parents I murdered (can actually do that).

>>714681736
It was clearly not meant for completionists.
Do you expect the player to experience each city with variations of the three buils archetypes (F/MU/TH) for a total of 30 playthroughs or do you encourage the player to be a JOAT type?

>>714682231
>Meanwhile in Skyrim i'll be fucking my wife (can marry) infront of the adopted child whose parents I murdered (can actually do that).

Don't forget that you can do this in the house you purchased (can't purchase houses in Witchershit)

>>714681507
Idk its just like getting lost irl, sometimes you find something fun other times you might get mugged or harassed that's just how exploring new places works

>>714681809
I am arguing they are largely irrelevant.
The numbers bear me out.

>>714682001
nobody was praising Oblivion that game is shit and still somehow better than your precious Skyrim. The only bethesda game which was genuinely praised for being good and ahead of time was Morrowind. Skyrim was memed on and shit on since release to think i see retards claim its actually a good game makes me sick.

>>714682156
Figures. You don't even have to fully model empty houses, a simple render from one side is enough. And you can handwave most of the "city" away by implying it lies in transitions and background.

>>714682001
>Also your Witcher 3 lost to fallout 4
?

>>714668246 (OP)
>enderal has such a big capital city that you can fast travel inside it because its too big
>theres also another favela town below it

there should be a fast travel option in the capital city in nehrim too, its also very big

>>714682373
>his favorite TES game is the only one more dead than Witcher 3

Shocker, are you one of those fags that's incapable of liking popular things or something because you crave that need to feel different in irrelevant ways (gaming preference) to make up for the fact that you're unremarkable in every physical way?

Based on your posts alone I can tell you're:
>non white
>average IQ
>below average height

>>714680789
i knew niggers were gay but gah dayum

>>714682373
>n-n-no u
get better material faggot

>>714682397
somehow with inferior technology, doing more with less produced timeless results

>>714682368
>I am arguing they are largely irrelevant.
In response to my argument of them being better creative and technical achievements?
If this is the case then you've basically conceded and are now trying to move goalposts.
I don't give a fuck if they are irrelevant, if they get 5b downloads tomorrow the content is still gonna be the same.

>>714682287
Skybabies have a hard time understanding that people like to roleplay in roleplaying game

>>714682373
yes bro, nobody praised oblivion at all when it released. They praised Witcher 1 instead

>>714676181
>no one replies because only a few people actually play total conversion mods
i thank god we are normalfaggots repellant

>>714682157
Just a witcher tryna get his life together n sheet

>>714682153
The fact you still haven't given an estimated time shows you are beginning to understand the flaw in your thinking.

If each city adds hundreds of hours of content that is multiplied by 10.
If it adds 10s of hours per city that shows how shallow each city is.

The mod makers really didn't think this through.

>>714682373
By the way i forgot to mention, fags like you would be anally raped by old /v/ for insulting oblivion and its modding capabilities at home.

>>714682681
Nobody replied because nobody plays morrowind or its shitty mods.
>I thank god we are normalfaggots repellant
Why even post the screenshot at all if you want normalfags to be repelled? You Morrowbabbies are so desperate for attention, ever since you got laughed out of /tesg/ LMAO

>our game exists too!

>>714682501
I liked all those games except Life is Strange because David Cage - likes are shit

>>714668361
I want skyrim, but for all NPCs (except guards) to have real homes (no more sleeping at the fucking bar) and guilds, so like a couple extra houses.

>>714682501
Now do the most prestigious ones?

>>714682681
No is more like morrowind is garbage to play normally, and not even combat mods will fix that either.
Hexen 2 is a better game than morrowind and that is a ARPG-FPS hybrid

>>714682001
>Also your Witcher 3 lost to fallout 4
Lmao please don’t be a troll, genuine retards fascinate me

>>714682619
I didn't concede anything.
I just pointed out how irrelevant they ate.
If these mods were of such high quality surely somebody would be playing them.

>>714682926
>Most prestigious game by players and memed til this day
Fallout 4
>Most prestigious game by tranny jourtnos who were masturbating to the gerald bath scene
Witcher 3

And Journos deserves zero respect, and that is the bottom line.

>>714682647
I see the issue. You don't understand what role playing is.

>>714682681
TR is not total conversion, buddy.

>>714682760
>if content game bad
>if no content game still bad
You realize you're supposed to hide your intellectual dishonesty, right?
Or are you so autistic you think you don't even realize how transparent you are?

>>714682531
>dead
from the start you are arguing in bad faith, not only skyrim is not more popular than witcher 3, their Steam numbers are almost the same for fuck sake with GOG W3 probably completely mogs it, not that popularity is particularly important anyway. I take less popular good game over dogshit gacha played by millions, it makes sense that dishonest skyrim nigger would argue higher Steam player count somehow means game is better, that game has almost nothing going for it.

>>714683028
>ad populum again
It's a fallacy, you realize.

>>714668361
>>714668447
>>I want a giant repetitive city with a thousand unnamed NPCs
That kind of city (like Novigrad) actually sells the idea of a real city way better than Bethesda cities do.

To make a vidya city feel like a proper city you need loud and crowded town squares instead of three vegetable stalls. You need alleys and backstreets you can get lost in while trying to get somewhere. You need dozens of strangers and acquaintances on screen going about their business, some in a rush some lazing about, instead of just a handful of robots you know by name all standing around waiting for your input.

Supposing you have been to a city in real life: have YOU ever barged in to random homes uninvited, or followed a person around to confirm whether they have a schedule that takes them from work to a pub to grocery story to their home? Did you stop everyone on the street to ask them whether they have a job for you? No, nobody does, and it was not required for you to recognize it as a real city.

Authenticity and immersion are achieved by making a world feel alive, not by going into pointless detail. In fact going into pointless detail can take away from it. In Skyrim I always thought being able to open every door, bother every NPC and steal everything not nailed down felt extremely arcadey in a way that breaks immersion. Though loading screens didn't help there either.

Named NPCs with dialogue and enterable homes are a cool thing and if Bethesda could apply their interactive town design philosophy while making it properly city-like in scale, that would be amazing. But they either can't or won't and frankly I prefer something that makes me feel like I'm in a real metropolis even if it's only an illusion.

>>714682142
GTA 6

>>714683496
WHAT?

>>714682142
Pokemon.

>>714683496
thing is though, while "you" won't do that IRL because there's consequences for it, in a game where you can be a supernaturally sneaky thief, you do want to head into that big manor overthere and see what's inside
and then it's really cool if not only you can enter, but there's custom loot everywhere, people actually live in it etc

and that's what the Witcher is lacking

>>714668927
>A thief stole my daughter's golden necklace, you will be rewarded if you find it.
>Janice on fruits said he saw a man holding something shiny in the cereal aisle. I am busy stocking bread, perhaps you should investigate these claims...

>>714683323
>not only is Skyrim not more po-

Stopped reading. Will I break it down again for you?

https://steamdb.info/app/489830/
https://steamdb.info/app/292030/

I want you to answer the following.
>which game currently has more players right now
>which game has had more players the past 6 (or however many you choose to pick, it really doesn't matter) months

Those are your own sources. You're claiming Skyrim is not more popular, why don't you read to me the data you yourself sourced and explain to me how Skyrim is not more popular.

And you say i'm arguing in bad faith?

>>714683323
>GOG W3 probably completely mogs it,
Why do you keep bringing this up when you can't prove it?

Get me Witcher 3 and Skyrims GOG numbers, when you can't, shut the fuck up about it, i'm not gonna "take your word for it" in an argument lmfao.

Both games are on GOG, neither game has available player counts because CDPR would never show how dead their GOG platform is relative to STEAM

>>714683295
Your public education is showing.
My point about time per playthrough stands. They clearly didn't think things through. They didn't think about the logistics of playing the game at all.

Your constant attempts to make this about quality shows you realize this as well.

>>714683736
>dishonest deranged bethesda drone keeps re-posting the same dishonest post and ignoring what i wrote
yeah i already knew you are mentally ill, didnt need more confirmation

>>714683870
>he was private """schooled"""
Dios mio...

>>714683941
Why don't you just hide behind the fact that you're anonymous? Why do you keep needing to get the last word? You've been thoroughly shat on using your own sources

>dishonest post
Nigger, you keep using GOG as an argument when there's no available data on the player counts for that platform, i'm giving you hard numbers using your own sources.

Absolute state of irrelevant Witchercucks. Just look at where you are right now, in a Skyrim thread trying to talk about Witcher 3 because you have nowhere else to discuss that dead game

>>714683462
Once again for the slow kids.
This is a discussion of time.
The makers of this mod clearly did not take this into account.

Think of melee combat. How long would you expect each fight to last? Now how many fights do you expect the player to get into.
These are all factors amateurs don't think about.

>>714684063
>>714683736

>>714683991
I think that is patently obvious.
I am trying to be patient though.

>>714668447
ENTER

>>714670415
>>714670642
>Not a single unique NPC or quest
Skyrim faggots are pathetic and mind broken

>>714675021
That's impossible in my game. Each npc gets their own AI driven profile. They can talk about anything that character should know. The AI can even perform actions and control the NPC

>>714668361
The mods that add shitloads of unnamed NPCs to Oblivion and Skyrim are easily some of the best though. Them having random items to pickpocket or loot is just icing on the cake.

>>714684274
>Think of melee combat. How long would you expect each fight to last? Now how many fights do you expect the player to get into.
As much as they want? It's a free mod for people who want to play TES games my guy

At least Skyrim got an enhanced edition before DEI became a thing.

I can only imagine how much worse it would be if it got a remake like oblivion.

>>714668847
>Hasn't endured abysmal FPS caused by a mod you can't let go
You haven't played an Elder Scrolls game.

>>714685178
what did they DEImake in oblivion?

>>714685247
Nothing at all, is just that the retards who worked on the game did ZERO optimization and forgot that khajiit in oblivion aren't fucking lions and gave them all chin fur, which looks terrible

>>714668927
>Fantasy themed around medieval era humanity
>WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS THERE NO WALMART?

>>714682359
Fuck real life, getting mugged in real life isn't fun. I'm playing a video game, I want to be amused. Wandering free side in new vegas for some dudes to come out of no where and have a shoot out with is fun. Having a big huge sprawling place you can explore but have nothing to find isn't fun, even the excuse 'it's immersive' doesn't matter, because it's not FUN. And devs are aware, you can't have a giant city with something interesting in every corner unless you spend x amount of years making it all and making it all work together... in a game that's like half about traversing through dungeons. So what they did was shrink the fuck out of the cities. And that's fine, because it's still fun. You gotta balance these things out. No matter how immersive a game is, it won't matter if it's not fun.

>>714685247
Body type and removed gender bonuses
They may have done more but the whole remastered is very lazy

>>714685247
Biological sex became body type A/B.
I can't support games made by science deniers.

>>714685247
Gay and female gaurds.
There's now a chance "STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM" will sound weak or gay when you hear it.

The game came out in 2012

What is their excuse for no sequel

>>714684984
So you are afraid to answer a simple question?
It is simple if you expect combat to take 5 minutes average per engagement you keep the encounter per hour low.
If you expect 1 minute per engagement you can increase frequency.

Most amateurs do not think of these things.

>>714683708
Kek, thanks for reminding me why I still come to this shithole

>>714681478
Kek what point are you even trying to make?

>>714686213
My take away is
He mad.

>>714668361
I want cities that have more buildings than I can count on my fingers

>>714684489
I remember it being really hard to navigate at first for some reason
They could've designed it better

>>714681514
avowed is not really trying to be a bethesda game. it’s first person, and that’s where the similarities end

>>714679876
no one will ever beat Kuttenberg mate
Bitcher 3 cities were fucking embarrassing, even Witcher 2 had better town than that.

>>714686289
Yeah im not sure why the Witcher dude is sperging so hard. People can like both games lol

>>714668246 (OP)
A city with four times the number of buildings and NPCs of Solitude where every building is enterable and every NPC is made by hand would be totally feasible. Bethesda is just a garbage company with no passion for their craft.
Skyrim cities are embarrassing by every standards.

>>714670642
Imo, this one hits the sweet spot nearly perfectly. I'd still make the higher city slightly bigger, with the stone arch 1.5 times larger, so as to add maybe another line of buildings, and that'd be perfect.

>>714668246 (OP)
How would you even make this city design big?
Most of them can easily be sized up but this one is so specific that it's impossible unless you make that landbridge titanic.

>>714686912
if there were a quarter as many cities as a result, would that trade off be worth it to you?

>>714687071
Im running that on a 4070 and im making out the engine limit to hit 65ish fps. I have about 15% of my card left on top of that

>>714686912
That’s pretty much what Ark is in Enderal

>>714687296
Absolutely. Give me a TES-like rpg with one major city that is as big as what I just described, two minor towns that are slightly larger and more populated than Solitude (like 1.5 or 2 times bigger), and then a handful of hamlets and villages scattered all around that have your typical "Skyrim city" size and that's perfect.

>>714680583
Surprisingly a lot of it is enterable.

>>714683870
>I can't conceive not 100%ing the game in every playthrough
>I was privately educated
I'm proud of your parents for actually sending you to retard school instead of needlessly bothering normal kids.

>>714686213
Are you so retarded you cant even read post literally explaining my problem with this retard? He had no arguments so like every dishonest faggot moved goalpost and started bringing up steam player numbers, all Skyrim versions combined had 200players more at that time which meant game has to be better. Doesnt matter they released on different storefronts and that even on Steam games were trading blows in popularity on for a decade and there was 6year period where Witcher 3 was more popular, recent insurgence of skyrim fags on steam after oblivion re-release means game is now better, that is the logic of deranged bethesda drones.

>>714684357
So Skyrim has more players right now? Lmao

>>714686105
>It is simple if you expect combat to take 5 minutes average per engagement you keep the encounter per hour low.
>If you expect 1 minute per engagement you can increase frequency
Hahahaha

What an idiot , but do tell me all about the beloved games you've made

>>714688019
It is clear you are unable to comprehend the point I actually made.
I am proud of the attempt you made but it just didn't work out.

>>714668246 (OP)
does the witcher look like this

>>714689169
Kek. We are discussing one.

>>714689459
it looks and works much better

>>714689571
yellow piss filter isnt a good look, that or your reshade is fucked up

>>714689571
>>714689681
Or this

>>714689169
Let me ask you this.
Why do you think Skyrim kept track of bunnies slaughtered?

>>714679468
>Witcher 3, Skyrim, and 2077 are all good games
Nah, Skyrim has a very satisfying game grammar to it with the way loot, physical objects, and inventories are all the same thing. How the game handles its progression systems feels very intuitive and satisfying. By contrast, TW3 and 2077 progression systems, loot, and UX are actively frustrating because it's all generated crap with marginal stat improvements.

People wish Skyrim has more roleplaying complexity and mod way more systems ontop of what's already there because everyone loves the roleplay progression and wants more of it. People wish TW3 and 2077 had less roleplay complexity and mod the RPG systems out because they're so irritating no one wants to use them.

>>714689459
It looks much better and has actual dynamic weather

>>714689385
>It is clear you are unable to comprehend the point I actually made.
You're trying to argue that the devs were stupid for including too much content because people might not be willing to put in the time required to see it all.
It's a retarded point. Might as well argue every dev is stupid to make new games because there are already others to play.

>>714689571

>skyrimjob is too small
>bitcher is too big
Gran soren, home..

>>714690808
Skyrim was a shit game everyone only low iq NPCtards and console fags played. I have no idea when it happened but somehow this dumpsterfire got memed into "good" category(i have suspicions its because clueless zoomers saw Todd memes and thought its all for real). The standards of average gamer have fallen so low "people" write its a good game now and dont feel ashamed, something you would get laughed at 10 years ago. Im not saying mods or modders are bad they clearly put a lot of effort to polish this turd but the truth is vanilla was always GARBAGE for retards.

>>714690183
Dopamine receptor activation , my guy even if you cute yourself as a professional it doesn't make you an expert in what the TES community wants. Hyper autists want to spend their entire lives in TR like a second life weirdo they don't care if combat takes 1 or 5 minutes

>>714691804
Interesting npcs adds 250 fully voiced characters
+ 50 to 60 in expanded towns and cities
+ 22 from whiterun expansion
+65 from solitude
+5400 in base skyrim.

Thats big enough id say not sure how you'd talk to all of them

>>714691945
>now is the NPCtards and console fags cope
OP is desperate to move the goalposts ast the cock sucking fag he is

>>714691945
Vanilla skyrim is terrible. Idk how anyone would play it on a console
Your own personal handmade skyrim mod list that is 500gbs? The best game ever made

>>714683683
Which manor in Skyrim has custom loot? My main complaint was that there was no unique loot anywhere in the game that wasn’t from simply completing a quest.

>>714692278
>move the goalposts

>>714692367
Every single one with narrative loot installed

>>714692450
WHAT?

>>714692505
So from a quest? While exploring or breaking into homes I never found anything interesting.

>>714692696
explain where i was moving goal post you unhinged retard

>>714692752
No a mod, adds it all over. Only a suckered isnt playing modded skyrim, since its the most moddable game ever created

>>714692225
no, I don't care about some bitchy npcs, sorry. I just want to climb on roofs and gorge ogre's eye

>>714692826
WHAT?

>>714677427
>jewish district
What did it win?

>>714693812
>Misuing the chad meme
holy reddit tourist M00T

>>714683496
>Supposing you have been to a city in real life: have YOU ever barged in to random homes uninvited
yes
>or followed a person around to confirm whether they have a schedule that takes them from work to a pub to grocery story to their home?
yes
>Did you stop everyone on the street to ask them whether they have a job for you?
yes

>>714668361
yes

solitude if he real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPyZhSKdLRQ&ab_channel=L.Torres

>>714693812
skyparkor has you covered

>>714689571
>>714691427
Why do you guys never post actual gameplay shots.

Always landscape shit. I have a PC that can run Witcher 3 and Skyrim fully maxed out with all the ray tracing bullshit and I guarantee you, pimped out Skyrim mogs Witcher 3 graphically in everything besides character models (because Witcher 3 is a movie with borderline mocap, 99% of the game is cutscenes).

t. 4090 gigachad

>>714697104
>larping poorfag Skyrimmutt still playing on his xbox 360
Post your speccy with thread in background fag.

Witcher 3 mogs any Bethesdashit

>>714694780
>Todd will never give us this 10fps kino

>>714692058
No.
It is an indicator if the player is just making numbers bigger because it is tracked.
This is useful in determining if that players profile should be discarded for analytics.

You would be surprised how many do in fact just do things because it is tracked.

Analytics figures out how people actually play the game vs how they claim to play it.

You are not thinking about the impact your design decisions make on players in your mod. I am assuming it is yours because nobody else would give this much of a fuck about it.

About how many hours of content do you think you have added? Would you say the quality is exactly the same in all areas? Of course not. That means some is more rewarding for the player and some is filler, correct?
What are your expectations from the player?

To many modders see themselves as project leads and shocked to find themselves relegated to making sure all the plates are touching the table when they get hired.

>>714697258
Speccy? What fucking year is it lmao.

Pic related. Skyrim > Witcher 3 in both gameplay and graphics.

>>714668246 (OP)
Hard to believe that came out 14 years ago.
Daggerfall came out 15 years prior to Skyrim

Post more cool vidya cities and city mods, there's a Winterhold restoration I used last time I played Skyrim that was so soulful, still in ruins but grander.

>zoomniggers can't implement imagination and roleplay to enhance immersion: the thread

>>714700273
> Just imagine you are having fun.
I see the corporate bootlicking cuck has arrived.

>zoomniggers can't implement imagination and roleplay to enhance immersion: the thread

>>714668447
still too small for a city

>>714668246 (OP)
It looks like a penis!
They built the town on a dormant rock giants erect penis!
It's just like in my h games!

>>714679867
You have to be a mongoloid to be satisfied with a city with 5 fucking houses.

>>714705543
I am sure you were plenty satisfied with Saarfield retarded /v/edditor

>>714697104
Does Witcher have ray trace? Skyrim doesnt.
Would you like a still image of someone in game fighting? Hpw else do i get a gameplay shot in thetr

For me?
It's Leyawiin

>>714692225
>https://steamdb.info/app/292030/charts/#max
The Interesting NPC author works at BGS now.

>>714709860
Oh no. Well maybe bgs will give us some good npcs now

>>714668246 (OP)
And how many of those houses can you enter? How many NPC actually have anything meaningful to say?

>>714668246 (OP)
*sigh* let me guess, you need more?

>>714679876
>The NPCs are unique because their names are different

I'm glad that Morrowind Modders are giving us the Skyrim we deserve. I hate how tiny the towns are in Bethesda games. But I also hate strawmanning faggots like 714668361 who assume that I want endless procgen copy paste slop too.

>>714670642
>that garish red windmill while everything else is going for a desaturated look
Disgusting.

>>714675265
If I'd actually played Morrowind before Oblivion I'd be very upset.

>>714712428
oblivion was my first ES too so I never really minded the retcon. I also probably wouldnt've cared that much if I played morrowind first since I never really cared that much about story in vidya in the first place

>>714680546
>gramps thinks age is a badge of authority
lmfao unc this aint the 20s

>>714682517
I mean that town you posted is a facade. You go through streets but it uses distant stuff to make it look bigger. Enderal also only ends up having one actual city and, what, three towns total?

>>714675172
>Contrasted to Skyrim where virtually every NPC can be spoken too, every house can be entered and every item/loot can be picked up, thrown or manipulated in some way.
Most of the houses in skyrim that aren't the Important Buildings™ are copypasted and have rng loot inside with the npcs having just the most generic lines possible. If you're lucky, you might get a "collect 5 bear asses" quest.
It's not good design.

>>714676943
I wonder if it was worse with Skyrim or with Fallout 4. I still have the images of summed up cut skills/perks burned in my brain.
Let's not forget that before the release, we were shitting on Skyrim hard and the paid shills and normies turned it into what it is today, a "success" and a "great rpg"

>>714675265
This ran on a total of 512 MB of RAM+VRAM.

>>714675351
Two different styles of RPGs. Bethesda are sandbox style RPGs. CD Project RPGs are story/ event driven. The Witcher 3 could have easily not been open world.

>>714712428
Imagine if you played the first two games before Morrowind.
You had actually been there and imagine your surprise at the change.

>>714714697
>mogs both with story driven sandbox immersive sim RPG

>>714715123
Your boring-ass realistic shit only "mogs" other boring-ass realistic shit.
If it doesn't have magic and spellcasting I'm not interested. If I can't fight fictional monsters I'm not interested. If it's not fantasy I'm not interested.

>>714691804
>completely empty and pointless if not for BBI
kek

>>714715123
Not sure what metrics you are using.

>>714668570
still makes me kek
bethshitters will never EVER recover

>>714715460
there's jews in the game, so you can fight fictional monsters
also a nigger, but you can't fight him for some reason

>>714715460
but magic in skyrim is absolute ass

>>714679234
Yep

>>714715542
Gameplay in Skyrim is ass. Also because of level scaling.

>>714715542
If you can't abuse potions to the point you are one shotting dragons you are bad at video games. It isn't Morrowind easy but if you are above single digit IQ you can break the magic system.

>>714715542
What part of
>If it doesn't have magic and spellcasting I'm not interested
do you not understand?
A setting's only magic could be farting out rainbows for all I care, I'll still prefer it over your "grounded" history crap.

>>714715796
If Skyrim filtered you don't even try Oblivion. You will struggle.

>>714713059
Are you talking about ark? You've lost your mind, there is a ton there. Its 10 districts and an entire underground. Ark is bigger than all skyrom cities combined

>>714715954
The fuck are you talking about? "Filtered" because I don't like how shit magic is in Skyrim and how consolized the whole base UI is, making it even more annoying to switch between shit?

>>714715539
>/pol/troon tries to come up with a joke
>somehow manages to self-own
Loving every laugh. If you think the jews don't exist then does that mean you've been "fighting" your delusions all this time?

>>714715820
kcd has magic in the form of alchemy THOUGHBEIT

>>714716027
last time I played Enderal was I thin close to the first "full release", did they update it a lot or add some shit in the meantime? That was like 5+ years ago, at least I feel

>>714716074
If you struggled making Skyrim's magic system work you got filtered.
Did you not know about potions affects on magic?

>>714716027
Ark is huge but it's definitely not bigger than all the cities combined. It's also again, the only actual city in the mod (there's sort of Duneville) and one of four settlements period (Riverville, Duneville, Ark, the Farmer's Coast) and that's about it.

https://en.wiki.sureai.net/Enderal:Ark

>>714716263
>struggled
Again, what did you not understand? The whole system is shit, even if you personally think it's good.
Gameplay/combat of base Skyrim sucks ass, always did. Same goes for melee. There's a reason why so many people went the stealth archer route, the AI is dumb as shit too

>>714716409
> My inability to make it work is a sign of bad design.
I do not agree the problem lies with the game.

>>714716569
You're retarded. But I guess that makes sense since you've been defending bethesda for the last few hours

>there are people on /v/ right now defending Skyrim's melee combat and magic

>>714716409
People went stealth archer in Skyrim for the same reason they went spellsword in Oblivion and mage in Morrowind.
They are the path of least resistance.

>>714716738
Because the combat is ass so you just want to avoid it and be done with it as quickly as possible so you can head out to go another generic rng quest of clearing a cave from bandits only to return a day later to clear that same cave out of almost identical bandits

>>714716623
I am the one that can make Skyrim's magic one shot dragons.

>>714716846
Yes, we're know you're a bethdrone autist, no need to flaunt it around.

>>714716925
>we're
we*
good morning myself

>>714716834
I would ask which game but it fits all three.
At least I could get Skyrim's magic system to work for me.
Try Morrowind. They have spellcrafting and you can make an IWIN spell right off the bat. Walk before you run.

>>714668927
That's mostly an american thing. I was in the US last week for the first time for almost a month for business reasons and vacation. It's disgusting how everything is about money. It is the lowest trust society I've ever been to and to be fair I generally avoid those when traveling. There's no feeling of social cohesion or kinship. Everything is a struggle against the system. Just wanted to get this off my chest.

>>714717129
>I would ask which game but it fits all three.
Yes, Skyrim was truly groundbreaking with copypasted dungeons/houses and INFINITE RADIANT QUESTS and RADIANT AI

>>714716925
> Someone who can make Skyrim's magic work is part of a sekret klub.
You are a special kind of special.
Just use fortify destruction potions. They increase magnitude.
For bonus points use the resto loop to make nuke level fortify destruction potions.
Works for other schools as well.

>>714717260
Tell me the difference between Skyrim's radiant quests and Morrowinds non main quest quests.

>>714717450
You still didn't understand my posts. Try reading them again, thoroughly, maybe with a finger under each word so it will be easier for you to understand. Once you do that, come back to me.

>>714717183
>I visited 1 place in America for a few days now let me tell you why the entire country which is larger than my home continent is so awful

>>714717582
Skyrim's are infinite while Morrowind's are finite. Any other questions, retard?

>>714717183
> Yuropoor amazed at a society with disposable income.
Many such cases.

>>714671829
are you arguing on behalf of Solitude's whopping 12 unique characters and 9 unique buildings?

>>714717621
based

*glass shatters*


bethdrones cryin
cdprfags maldin

>>714717582
Not him but the problem with that proc gen shit is the same everywhere: context.
"Fetch me 5 mushrooms" feels a lot different when it's something given out at random versus done to advance on the lower echelons of a guild. Same with the random mining rig or abandoned cryo lab in Starfield being way less meaningful when it's slapped into nowhere good versus being a hand placed location.

>>714717692
>jeetmerican doesn't know that the USA is the most indebt society on earth
uuuhhh....

>>714717584
The one where you asked where you got filtered? At the magic system apparently.

>>714717712
that's 12 more unique characters and 9 more unique buildings than in any cdpr game

>>714674702
You can have zero meaningful conversation in any Bethesda game past Oblivion.

>>714717662
So no other differences between Skyrim's madlib radiant quests and Morrowind's non main quest quests?
That is actually the correct answer.
I thought that would be harder.

>>714717806
Here, I'll help you since you clearly were dropped on your head as an infant.
I called the gameplay shit. Whole gameplay. Because it is. Because I played the game, tried different builds, fucked around to find the "fun" in the game.
Magic in Skyrim is, especially compared to morrowind and oblivion, fucking basic shit, very easy to master and the spells are few and they're not even that interesting most of the time.

Understood now, retard? Or do you need it spelled out for ya?

>>714718091
still better than magic in any cdpr game

>>714717804
Good thing we have spending money to take care of that.

>>714717621
I visited many cities and towns in the west but I'm not blind. I've read many stories, articles, books and saw movies and shows depicting the american societies and lifestyle in varying degrees of realism. Your country is based on, and held together by exploitation. Its golden age is definitely over. The decay of infrastructure and personal honesty paints that picture very clearly.

>>714717863
In what universe lol

>>714717692
I live in a country where the median income is substantially higher and my currency is worth more too. You are poor compared to me.

>>714718148
Could be because when you're playing as a canon witcher, magic is just supposed to be a prop lore wise, a set of tricks, not proper wizard-tier magic. They buffed it up in the games anyway.
I still wouldn't call Skyrim's magic good, ever. It's not good in The Witcher too, but for the amount of freedom and shit TES goes for, it looks worse.

>>714717997
>so no other differences besides the fact that one set of quests goes nowhere while the other does
You really are retarded.

>>714718091
No need to get mad about getting filtered by Skyrim's magic system. To be fair most YouTubers don't know about it so most players don't either.
Lesson learned don't rely on YouTubers for info.

>>714718319
skyrim is just massively dumbed down but you're not really thinking about how shit the spell system is when you're burning people's faces off

>>714670875
Imagine being an American and not living on one of the few real cities you have like New York…we’re you actually know your baker, your butcher and your grocer.

>>714718445
>gets BTFO
>n-no need t-to g-g-get m-mad at me!!! please!!! or I'll cry!!!
fucking kek

>>714717621
>nooo, my gated community is hecking wholesome!

>>714718302
Good for you. I am sure nobody is happier than your government.

>>714717621
The size of the country doesn't matter if most of it isn't even populated.

>>714718462
>but you're not really thinking about how shit the spell system is when you're burning people's faces off
You can do the same in The Witcher 3, you know. Since you brought up cdpr

>>714718585
>I live in a shithole, but at least my government is also miserable!
What a weird way to cope.

>>714675182
Wait you can go into all the buildings in novigrad

>>714718525
You crying about getting filtered is not quite the flex you think it is.

Almost every NPC in Oblivion and Skyrim are involved with a quest. They don't add filler NPCs. Compare to Witcher (slop dogshit) where 99.9999% of NPCs are completely pointless.

>>714718615
CDPR's combat is so distractingly bad that it's not possible to immerse in it

>>714718673
Nobody but thief character has any need to enter every building.

>>714718716
kek this nigga still can't read a full sentence without projecting his insecurities on other anons who dare criticize his precious modded game

>>714718302
I forgot to mention that my income tax is also lower than in the US.

>>714718793
>every NPC has 15 minutes of content and no more
Makes the world feel way more hollow than 1000 nameless NPC, tbqh. Literally a themepark ride.

>>714718853
>kek this nigga
Why are you typing like a retard?

>>714718795
So is Skyrim's, not sure what your point is there

>>714718667
I have made no claim about my personal wealth. You seem to need to be doing better than me.
If it helps I live under a bridge in a place it rains 24/7 while trains travel overhead constantly.
There is also a midget who follows me around kicking me in the shin.

Happy now? Americans are generous to the lesser peoples of the world.

>>714718924
so a fictional place? and you're lying? and also you're also ugly as fuck and no one loves you?

>>714718947
So you may understand the posts, I tried in a normal way but you seem to have trouble reading standard sentences

List 5 good quests from Skyrim
and list 5 shit quests from Skyrim

NOW

>>714719051
im not even the person you were talking to i just think youre a fag

>>714718853
The melty intensifies.
If you need any more help with Skyrim just ask. Don't be shy.

>>714719178
I accept your concession Rakesh.

>>714718947
The answer was in your question.

if you don't like CDPR's cities you just got filtered
if you don't like CDPR's combat you just got filtered

simple as

>>714719037
I didn't mention wealth. A shithole is a shithole whether you're loaded or not.

>>714676181
Honestly it needs signs and streets.

The fucking Roman’s had streets with addresses

>>714719149
since you're also a fag, wanna fuck? I can make both of us in modded skyrim for a true heterosexual experience in VR, thank g*d for God Howard!

>>714719229
No need to thank me. Conceding you got filtered by Skyrim did not require much effort on my part.
Still glad to help if you need it.

>>714676524
>>714676524
Kowloon walled city

>>714719050
I'm sorry but you're not the number one in many things, contrary to the things you were fed by your government. I would be surprised if the US survives this century as the political entity it is now.

>>714719459
you got filtered hard by this thread with your inability to read ya mong
makes sense coming from a bethdrone though, defending skyrim takes a special kind of retardation

>>714719368
You still need more to feel better than me?
OK
There is a paper mill right next to the tracks. The road under the bridge is made of fire that spits out puss.
There are serial killers that live on the other side who sneak over and murder me every night.

I hope that helps.

>>714719392
Koreans didn't invent street adresses until recently

>>714719735
I always feel better than you. Your silly game has no effect on the matter.

>>714719037
That's what I was saying in my original post. Everything is about money there. You can surely have a nice life with it.

>>714719562
You got filtered by Skyrim and I tried to help.
I think you should try Morrowind. It is a much more forgiving game.

>>714719932
You got filtered by my posts and I tried to help.
I think you should try 1st grade reading classes. It is much more forgiving than /v/.

>>714719846
If you are willing to work you can do quite well. No need for the government to take care of you from womb to tomb.

>>714720113
It was quite apparent you are mad about being filtered by Skyrim.
I don't blame you. I would be pissed if I had gotten filtered by it as well.

>>714720341
It was quite apparent you are mad about being filtered by my posts.
I don't blame you. I would be pissed if I had gotten filtered by them as well.

>>714720154
>can
lol
lmao
Yeah, work, pay your taxes and then die in a ditch. That's the american way!

>>714720341
>>714720420
samefag, stop bumping your thread with this fake "argument"

>>714720420
If you have a tiny penis quote this post.

>>714720521
>he thinks inane retardo arguments are samefagging
It's summer, I guess.

If you have a tiny penis quote this post.

>>714668570
>I worked my way to the top, I worked my way to the cloud district
>Do you get to the top very often?
The dragon born was awfully silent when nazim dropped that line

>>714720489
Are you currently running for mayor of NYC?
That is some straight up 80s Era commie propaganda.

Question for your autists out there
Why is picking up every item and having physics for it important in the game? Why is exploring every copypasted house with nothing interesting inside important?

>>714720154
The work culture there is also exploitative. The employee has much less protection from his employer. You should've seen how surprised my american colleagues were when I told them about our benefits and that overtime must be paid, even if it's an office job. On the other hand, I was shocked that there's something like a limited number of sick-days.

>>714720821
It is the difference between feeling like you are moving through the world and having the world just being window dressing.

>>714720716
That's just the reality, like it or not. Hustle hustle hustle!

>>714720949
And you really go around for hours and hours picking up random apples, buckets and bread pieces to "inspect them" from every side?

>>714720927
Do a thing and get paid for it.
Not that complicated.
The American work ethic probably surprises lesser Countries.
I remember when France proposed a 5 day work week the people rioted.

>>714720821
It makes the world seem like a living thing that exists without the player observing it. Also the houses are not copy-pasted for the most part.

>>714721113
Where in my answer did you get that idea?

>>714721208
>It makes the world seem like a living thing that exists without the player observing it.
It doesn't make sense in Skyrim where the world literally stands still until you come and save the day.
>for the most part.
lol

>>714721274
Since it makes you feel like the game is alive then you must interact with it. If you don't then there's literally no difference between being able to pick up every apple from a table or two apples from a chest/basket nearby.
Or don't you?

>>714721097
You seem to think it matters whose hand is on our leash. Do you really think it matters if is the got or big business? Why?

>>714720949
But it is window dressing in either case, the inadequate imitation of real world is infinitely more jarring than generous handwaving. Imagine a film where every character took shit in a somewhat realistic intervals, except every toilet scene happens in a same room and every shitting sequence plays exactly the same. Compare that to a regualr film where nobody ever takes a shit except if it's plot relevant in some way. Which one is more immersive?

>>714721385
Once again where did I say anything about alive.
I can't be expected to answer for points I didn't make.

>>714721424
Ah, money and hierarchy. That's really the only thing you can think about. It's really sad, in a way.

>>714721460
It's also funny because Skyrim doesnt have outhouses

>>714721460
I have no idea what you are even.
You asked I answered. Now you are throwing random movie scenarios around.

>>714721541
>Once again where did I say anything about alive.
>>714721208
>It makes the world seem like a living thing
Here. Or is "living thing" not "alive"?

>>714721195
US workers are treated less favorably compared to other developed nations, not that complicated. Again, it's a nation with exploitation as its foundation. All these health cost related gofundme stories from the US that pop up in the news from time to time are fucking dystopian. The US is the perfect place it seems if you are wealthy, intelligent, driven, attractive and most importantly, healthy.

>>714721460
don't bother, he doesn't know how to read

>>714721556
When have I mentioned money or hierarchy?
There is some projection going on.

>>714694341
Everyone’s missing the most chad thing I’ve ever read

>>714721723
That wasn't me. You are having two conversations.

>>714668570
>You've never... been...? Did I hear that right?

>>714721294
Not true. Each NPC continues his daily schedule and they also travel around the world, instead of spawning when the player needs them.

>>714721760
Well if it pops up in the news it must be true.

>>714721883
>the /v/ tavern

>>714721692
Man, that other anon is right. You really are dense.

I'm playing the Lorerim modlist and Requiem alone fixes pretty much every complaint I originally had with the game.

>>714721932
Daily schedule of standing in one spot and then heading to bed. Come on, are you really defending this shit?
Tell me again how shit like civil war resolves without your interference

>>714721723
I'm the other anon. You're mixing up conversations. You need to lurk more so that you start identifying different anons by their prose. Sometimes that's harder but mostly manageable.

>>714721823
Ah, so when you talk about leash, you don't mean anything about hierarchy. I see the famous American education has not improved in the last few decades. This gets sadder and sadder.

>>714721896
>>714722316
>same posting type with convenient pauses between posts
Sure thing, fag

>>714722215
The anon that didn't realize he was having two conversations thought I was dense because I didn't get his point from a different conversation? That anon.anonymous.
Chucklefucks white knighting chucklefucks.

>>714722549
Are you having a stroke, Rajesh?

>I can't believe this 32 bit ps3 game isn't good as modern 2015 game in technical level
You go dumb nigger

>>714668246 (OP)
You're the first person to say what I've been thinkin'... Skyrimjob

>>714722630
Fallout 4 has 1 actual city, so it's just a bethesda thing

>>714722345
I clearly stated who was holding our leashes. You are more comfortable with the government holding yours and I am more comfortable with big business holding mine.

>>714721883
in a better game whose writers didn't want the target audience to be genocided, this would be based.

>>714670415
>Random ass bright red windmill in the middle of town
It's shit.

>>714722595
You still think you are having one conversation and don't understand why nothing is making sense.
Kinda hard to sound cocky when you are clearly retarded.

>>714722923
We don't sign our posts here

>>714722752
Yes. Boston.

>>714722442
>>>/reddit/

>>714722989
No, diamond city. Rest is just ruins and random theme park buildings. You could argue institute is a "city" since diamond city is small as shit too

>>714722961
One guy talking about pie onr
e talking about cake.
How am I to tell you guys apart?
Not helping to beat the retarded allegations

>>714722923
rekt

>>714723187
Gooood morning saaaar

>>714723096
Boston is an actual city.
It is also in Fallout 4.
Not sure what you are arguing here.

>>714723280
And now the tacit admission.

>>714723294
Ruins anon, ruins. Not a city.

>>714723386
Saaaar do not redeeeem the skyrim enhanced edition!!!!

Bethjeets are really uppity today, what happened?

>>714723280
I like to shit on pajeets like every other anon but god damn that joke is getting stale

>>714723652
I think it's funny when used on shills who defend a game with their life, always makes you wonder if it's done for free or for 10rupees

>The towns are all super small without too many NPCs
>The game doesn't run like shit and it still feels immersive
>Towns remain functional without being pointlessly oversized
So what's the problem exactly? Do we really need life sim towns that require a 9800X3D to run properly?

>>714724006
>still feels immersive
Lmao

People who hate TES are unironically tech-illiterate and don't know how to mod.
>B-but vanilla!
Nobody cares about vanilla in 2025.

>>714723393
Ruins of what?
You are almost there.

>>714724006
Call them villages instead of towns/cities. Then it makes sense

>>714723456
You already did that. If it is part of your humiliation ritual by all means continue.

>>714724379
Ruins, anon. I know, really tough word for your peabrain

>>714724462
Saaaar please!!!! Saaaaaarrrr!!!

>>714724296
The people enjoying Skyrim today are all modding the game.
All 1/10th of 1% of the fan base still playing it.

>>714724006
>and it still feels immersive
But it doesn't, that's the whole point.

>>714724489
> Ruins of what?
> Ruins
So your theory of the case is the ruins were built as ruins?
Public education really did a number on you.

>>714718603
>B-b-but my ultrapopulated jeet-filled shitholes

>>714724843
Ready my post again, retard. I know it's hard, but I believe in you

>>714724580
My mistake. I do not know the ins and outs of street shitter humiliation rituals.
Do you have to reply a certain number of times or do you have to wait for a cow to tell you to stop?

>>714724687
Do people who use thousands of mods to "play" in 10fps actually do anything other than taking screenshots and posting them online?

>>714725031
Why dont you tell us, Kumar

>>714724974
The one that said "Ruins" in response to the question "Ruins of what?"
That one?

>>714725174
I am no expert on your people. Not really interested in learning more about a people known for designated shitting streets.

>>714670349
At least it's actually city-sized, even if it's on the lowest end of medieval city sizes.

>>714725326
We can see you're brown, no need to hide it

>>714670349
>That's still bumfuck nowhere tier as far as IRL scale is concerned
The fuck? A city of 10,000 people was very large by Medieval standards.

>>714722783
>I clearly stated who was holding our leashes.
Curious. You never did such a thing. Guess you forgot whatever cope you've already unleashed.
> You are more comfortable with the government holding yours and I am more comfortable with big business holding mine.
And here we get to your obsession over hierarchy again. You really are a slave. *crack* *whpish*

>>714724865
You are not land.

bethdrones absolutely btfo itt

>>714725501
You never did such a thing.
The very next quote was where I very much did such a thing.

You are your own worst enemy.

>>714725453
Depends when. In the late medieval ages (and The Witcher is close to that time period), Paris had over 200k inhabitants.
It doesn’t matter tho, the city doesn’t need to be on scale, it just needs to feel immersive enough

>>714725437
Were you looking in the mirror when you typed that?
You give that turd whatfor.

>>714725819
So you don't know?
kwab

>>714725883
Do I know what you were looking at?
No.

>>714725997
You tell me, Rajesh

>>714726102
How am I supposed to tell you what you were looking at?
I know your people are good at hacking but it is not a common skill.

>>714725602
NTA but you're seriously arguing that concentrations of Muslim autonomous areas and African poverty camp towns are more cultured and wholesome than the entirety of the USA and that all the problems within the USA only exist in the USA. Especially the comment about how "It's all about money with no sense of community. Have you ever been to France as anything other than French? Have you ever even been to the actual UK? I would considered the UK objectively the worst first world nation by a wide margin. They're like America but without America's money or influence with even worse social cohesion and much greater crime and poverty. Followed after them are South Europeans, especially Italy

>>714721994
He also won;t mention his country because such a country probably doesn't exist. He won't name it so he can't be debunked and anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

>>714715123
>comparing fantasy to realism
Nothing wrong with that game, it just isnt comparable, at all