https://youtu.be/ThglYlZEQ-A?si=YV9HJu9AZl1t6NOU

>>714755741 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714755741 (OP)
nobrainer, its like planned obsolescence
thats why the all move to service model but instead of a subscription they sell you new version every few years

>>714755741 (OP)
wasnt this always obvious?
>have more conrtol over content and what the player consumes
>no mods so the only new content they get is what YOU feed them
>cant make their own fun
>fully moderated lobbies wich make the company look good
>can shut off the game whenever you want forcing the player to move to the next game and shell out more money
companies hate people owning products and making their own fun, this is why we had they where so rampant on monotising mods

>>714755741 (OP)
If you don't like it, make your own fucking game then. It's now easier than ever.
Then you'll realise how fucking retarded SKG is, it harms indies the most.

>>714755914
>wasnt this always obvious
Yes but talking heads need a hook for their content, just like OP needs a hook for his thread, so they act like it's a big revelation or new discovery.

>>714755878
ah yes, all the always online indie games, there's so many of those-

>>714755974
Name some relevant indie games

>>714755741 (OP)
>youtuber discovers the meaning of capitalism
wow

>company is about making money
WOW WTF I DIDNT KNOW THEY MAKE MONEY?!

>>714755878
it will never pass cause you cant force companies to give out their software and rights to it, this would violate all the copyright and ownership laws

>>714755741 (OP)
Why does he talk like he's been set on x1.5 speed

>>714756117
Too bad

Name one useful thing capitalism has achieved that could not be achieved by a perfectly altruistic society

>state intervenes
>large companies make more money
>somehow, /v/ will blame capitalism
That word lost all meaning.
No, I did not watch OPs video.

>>714755974
you dont need to make anything, just dont support GAAS/gacha/lootboxes, dont give them a penny - but thats too much to ask of plebs who are still buying latest gambling simulator dressed as a game

>>714755878
Minecraft made by 1 dude has private servers

>louis griftmann

>>714755741 (OP)
reminder that we would have never been in this quandary if gaben didn't kill physical games btw

>e-celeb hasbeen

>>714756192
>perfectly altruistic society
there's a reason communism doesn't work

>>714756085
You need to be a little more specific for this.
He needs to name some relevant ALWAYS ONLINE indie games.

>>714756117
2nd option which is even worse is have games state they will likely shut down at an unknown date in the future.

>>714756192
Didn't your teachers in school taught you that you need to provide examples?

>>714756358
>gaymunism out of nowhere
obsessed with soviet trannies

The shill fears this.

>>714755974
Name always online live service games

>>714755904
SKG is also planned obsolescence. It's planned obsolesce by having a backup if your game fails which is self defeatist since people don't go into things planning to fail from the start. If it doesn't make money, then there is no financial reason to support it. Just like any other project. they could just take the write-down and the thing won't see the light of day ever again unless leaked. Tv shows and movies have gotten away with this fine but video games aren't allowed for some reason?

>>714755878
Rape and kill all AAA developers, simple as.

>>714755741 (OP)
The journey of Rossmann knowing nothing about vidya like a spiritual boomer, then learning the absolute dogshit anticonsumer practices that are common and acceptable in the medium and losing his shit is very entertaining.

if the consumer is willingly taking a dick up their ass then they should be allowed to be exploited

don't fucking like it? don't fucking buy it. simple as

>>714756104
>discovers
He's been going after them for years.

>>714756458
>locking your door is a defeatist attitude because you already gave up and accepted that niggers will be breaking into your home to steal your tv

>>714756418
>what if we had a magical society where everyone was super nice and nothing bad ever happens

>>714756517
Kino

>>714756517
Is it? I don't watch faggots.

>>714756429
DELETE THAT

RUNNING A PRIVATE SERVER IS STEALING THE IP FROM MAJOR COMPANIES AND COSTS THEM BILLIONS IN DAMAGES AND LOST REVENUE

>>714756517
Legally binding in the US btw.

>>714756104
He has been going at it about tech hardware and software companies and their planned obsolescence bullshit for years, he just didn't know about gaming. If you could harvest the hate energy against Apple he has been channeling for 20 years you'd solve global warming.

>>714755914
i dont really know whats obvious to normies or what they choose to ignore. they realize and ignore a lot of things that get in the way of the daily routine. its probably worth bringing to light just in case.

>>714756692
It's niggers like you and this grifting faggot that will destroy SKG, by the way. Can you fuck off with your faggot political hijacking and shut up?

>>714756690
Amerislaves don't matter.

This is more likely to hurt gaming because it will make publishers refocus their attention on taking down abandonware/ROM sites in order to recoup their costs. "Dead" games are already so easily accessible if you're not terminally retarded.

>>714756741
>political hijacking
Huh? What's political about this post?

>>714756741
Trembling shillcuck.

>>714756117
>buy board game
>2nd edition comes out
>they send the gestapo to take your copy and burn it
>people object to that
>"well whada ya expect me to do goy, it has ta be dis way, ifiddidn't it'd be anarchy, chaos! copyright an ownaship laws would be out da friggin window!"
die jew

Thank fuck this stupid shit will never pass. Gamers deserve everything they get and more.

>>714756790
Why the fuck are you niggers bringing in Apple and capitalism and all this other gay shit in? Oh, right, because the grifting parasite brigade found another thing to kill.

>>714756540
don't like the law?
then don't sell it.
others will happily fill the market with compliant games

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>714756458
>Tv shows and movies
don't require any further maintenance after release, so your example is as retarded as you are

>>714756778
You're so raped it's insane actually.

Why can't they just refund us when they shut down the game?

>>714756395
they already have this in EULA that its a service that can be changed or terminated at any moment
and its even worse cause of regional restrictions - game can still run but be unbelievable in your country

Fuck it. I'm not on SKG anymore. Fuck polfags.

>>714756741
Politics are great, it's the citizens exercising our rights to demand better regulation. Or is it good and based when corporations use government and laws to safeguard their profits, but evil and communist when the people do?

>>714756850
Just kill yourself PLEASE. You fucking buck broken MUTT.

>>714756923
He's not even relevant because he's a dirty New York rat. Piss off.

>>714756896
Oy vey...

>>714756517
>If only you knew how bad things really are

>>714756943
What does this have to do with SKG, you stupid fuck? This is what I mean by you disgusting parasites. You're not even European. Now you're hijacking the movement for things that are completely unrelated to it and muddying the mission.

>>714755878
cry to your buddies at gamescom, we don't wanna hear it

>>714756913
This, it's so sad seeing an actual legit movement turn into another dogwhistle for the alt-right gamergaters.

>>714756458
>planned obsolescence that heavily favors corpos and the status quo
>planned obsolescence that somehow on the surface attempts to equalize the playing field
Gee. Decisions, decisions.

>>714756304

Minecraft wasn't made JUST by Notch and it's literally made
1. In java
2. With ugly squares
3. Next to no gameplay in it other than walking.

>>714756902
An EULA is not legally binding

>>714755878
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
how is that relevant

>>714755878
This post shows up in every thread

>>714755741 (OP)
Gotta love how shills went from long meaningless posts 3-4 words posts now that we breached the million.

>>714756875
You're so retarded it's insane actually. Here's the current status quo:
>publisher abandons a game and makes it inaccessible to the market
>piratechads have complete a free access to it, only retards are seething that the game is inaccessible
Here's what you want:
>publisher keeps game SDK available for perpetuity
>cattle pay for the game for no reason

>>714755878
How many indie games have always-online requirements that even make it possible to kill the game?

>>714757017
Nice try retarded rat. You WILL be raped.

This "SKG" thing is a blatant snoy astroturf.
Sony is seething that their live service games are flopping (remember Concord? lmao) and are now pushing this smear campaign to force Nintendo to move games out of the Switch, because snoys are obsessed with "Nintendo going third party".
Guess what? It will NEVER happen, Japan doesn't have to follow dumb European laws.
We will keep winning and you will keep seething.

>another SKG thread
>shills still don't have any good arguments and continue getting btfo'd
good stuff lads, keep it up

>>714755878
>SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
No more always online rpgmaker earthbound inspired schlop about depression?
Damn.

>>714757164
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it.

>>714757129
Pirate NFS 2015 and The Crew you slimy nigger.

>>714755914
Many things are obvious, but having them in writing makes all of the difference.

>>714757212
>Allow host your own server button
Easy

>>714756867
It's the easiest way to taint and rally the dipshit slacktivist class and sympathetic journalists against it, ala something like BernieBros rearing its head every election. They're multibillion dollar megacorporations that have a (relatively) newfound stranglehold on servers, and thus the player experience. They get a giant Planned Obsolescence lever they can hit whenever they'd like to forcibly migrate players to their next yearly iteration. There's no way they willingly give that feature up and return control to consumers or they have to compete with decades of past games

These are the same companies that only started to disclose their lootbox rates after fucking China of any country was the first to demand their gambling have transparent odds

>>714757212
Get that ferret out of your ass you dysgenic inbred.

This is how the in-fighting and purity spiral begins, and it all started with this New York Jew.

>>714756634
>I don't watch jews.
ftfy

>>714757181
I love seeing babel media getting curbstomped

>>714755878
The automobile industry said the same thing about virtually every modern safety feature, by the way. Your airbags really fucked the small struggling car company.

>>714757243
>NFS 2015 and The Crew
These are fucking horrible games and should remain abandonware, lmao. Give some real examples.

Also, if any of these games had actual fans, there would've already been an open-source project that emulates the server environment for these games, there are plenty of other "dead" games that have P2P tools and even complete servers maintained by fans.

>>714756825
you dont buy a game, you buy a license to use the service
>this is wrong and unfair
then dont buy it, the problem is that all the plebs are still buying latest lootbox infested sportslop and spend on chink gachas, so what can you do, ban it?

>>714757359
Airbags kill more people than they save. Similarly, SKG will kill more games than it will try to save.
So how about we stop it with this commie government overreach?

that guy is based,subscribed to him years and forgot about him and now he is some pro pirate anti-corpo Chad

>>714757129
Ah yes, please direct me where I can play Wildstar and Lawbreakers.
>incoming cope "t-t-those games suck anway"

>>714757419
Shut up pajeet.

>>714755741 (OP)
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T REMOTELY DETONATE YOUR PROPERTY?
>THINK OF OUR BOTTOM LINE
Corporate kikes are seriously the most evil creatures.

>>714757419
>Also, if any of these games had actual fans, there would've already been an open-source project that emulates the server environment for these games
>*gets DMCA slapped*

>>714757359
Wasn't it seatbelts?
>>714757431
But the heckin devs will lose their jobs which is it?

>Airbags kill more people than they sav
Ascended Kalergian Neo-Miscegenated Hyper-Mutt

>>714757431
iwonderwhoisbehindthispost.jpeg

>>714755741 (OP)
>WHAT THE FUCK NOT RUNNING THINGS AT LOSS MAKES MONEY OMG UNNACCEPTABLE BY THE HOLY MARX KILL THEM ALL AND MAKE ME THE NEW LEADER
This whole event is just an american children tantrum at the mall

>>714756458
>Tv shows and movies have gotten away with this fine but video games aren't allowed for some reason?
whrn tv shows and movies go off the air and are no longer available on store shelves, they become classified as lost media. There's an entire community dedicated to finding lost media. In some cases there are actual bounties on lost media (if you find a missing episode of Doctor Who, the BBC will give you a life sized dalek)

>>714757471
Never happens except for WoW, but that's because they already brought it back officially.

>>714757093
it covers their ass so you cant sue them if the service is terminated in any way - be it whole game shutdown or a personal ban

>>714755741 (OP)
Everyone knows that, though.

What was the argument again? They wanted the servers to migrate to something where players would have more control and still be able to play? This is basically what Nintendo does to a degree. They don't really want you spending time on replaying their old games, they want you to keep purchasing new ones.

Live service where you need to maintain servers costs money so it makes since that if MTX doesn't stay consistently above a certain threshold, they axe it in order to not cost more money. Though, I think the true answer is we were so used to games that actually had an 'end' that now that they don't we're surprised when they don't go on infinitely.


Still don't want corpos to win though, next should be a hard $60 price tag for anything "AAA" except for something that exceeds normal expectations like gta6 (whether or not you agree, it is highly anticipated) where I could see it going for $70 in the most rarest of cases.

>>714757489
Seatbelts was a different story, an engineer at Volvo designed the first three-point seatbelt but they didn't patent it, so every car manufacturer could use them for the common good.
It would be pretty fucking gnarly to advertise "our cars will kill you less often than other cars, because we don't allow the other cars use this safety device"

>>714757459
I miss Wildstar, I really do

>>714756340
It was always inevitable. From the moment the internet was invented. Humans will always choose convenience.

DON'T MAKE THIS INTO LEFT VS RIGHT OR IDPOL SHIT.
THAT IS WHAT INDUSTRY AND LOBBYING GROUPS WANTS. THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT WORK BY CALLING REGULATION "COMMUNISM" SO NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO CALL PEOPLE NAZIS.
IT'S THEM BEING DESPERATE AND AFRAID.

DON'T LET THEM MUDDY THE WATERS.

DON'T LET THEM DIVIDE AND CONQUER.

SHOOT DOWN ANY RETARDS TRYING TO PUSH THIS AS SOME IDPOL ISSUE.

RICH ELITE ALWAYS TRIES TO USE IDPOL AND "US VS THEM" SHIT ON COMMON PEOPLE.

>>714755878
THIS IS A SHILL FALSEFLAG
EVERY THREAD ABOUT SKG HAS SHILLS DEFLECTING INTO "THIS WILL KILL INDIES", CWHICH IS BULLSHIT, THEY NEVER PROVIDE ANY CONTEXT AND NO PROOF, ONLY RELYING ON FEARMONGERING APPEALS TO EMOTION.

>>714757419
>These are fucking horrible games
Irrelevant.

>>714757465
t. seething tech illiterate dalit
>>714757471
>*gets DMCA slapped*
has never happened. if the game you're modding is so sensitive to copyright claims then host the repository somewhere else

>>714756790
Nothing, just another shill tactic by trying to muddle the waters what it's about. Happened time and time again.

>>714757680
>host the repository somewhere else
Not an argument.

>>714755878
>noooo don't you know server upkeep is too expensive for big corpo just to keep your stupid game alive????
>t-this is killing poor little indie dev who is somehow capable to provide these very expensive servers for their games! i swear they are real!
how do these retards manage to live their lives when they miss obvious inconsistent logic like this?

>>714756117
>cant force companies to give out their software and rights to it, this would violate all the copyright and ownership laws
Actually they can. But it's not how copyrights work. If a film studio was forced to release their raw cuts it wouldn't make them automatically loose all copyright and ownership.

>>714757620
They're trying their fucking hardest to turn SKG into another gamergate, DO NOT LET IT HAPPEN!

>>714757620
Rightoids will take any opportunity to suck corporate cock no matter what you say

>>714757431
>NO YOU CAN'T PASS LAWS TO CREATE MORE PROTECTIONS IN A LEGALLY MURKY GREY AREA THAT HAS BEEN ACTIVELY MUDDIED BY PUBLISHERS!! it just is what it is, sorry chuddies!

>>714755878
>tiny developers
>making online service scams
good. they SHOULD go bankrupt. if you can't even let us use our own custom servers then fuck off.
make a real game instead cunt.

>>714757595
>EULA that clearly violates multiple laws is somehow binding
Never stops being funny.

>>714757419
>It's okay to kill game X because I don't personally like it

>>714755878
Is this a bot? Or are pajeets lurking 24/7 to repost the same pasta baits? What's even the point?

>>714757680
>if the game you're modding is so sensitive to copyright claims then host the repository somewhere else
>you should expose yourself to fines for copyright infringement to do unpaid labor to make a game that you already fucking paid for playable because the corporation chose not to patch out online verification or release custom server software before shutting down their servers
This is the issue SKG solves.

>>714755878
What "indie" game developer is out there making an always online 100 million dollar gatcha or always online live service slop.

>nnoooooo it's literally impossible to release an online-only game as offline!

>>714757774
They're trying to make both sides hate SKG
>If you support SKG, you are a fucking commie and tranny worshipper!
>If you support SKG, you don't care about the livelihoods of Indies of marginalized communities like LGBT, racial minorities and people suffering from disabilities.

>>714757774
why is it that the left loves to suck corporate cock every single time since 2015?

>>714755878
>>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
I like how they immediatly use the "muh poor LGBTQWERTY÷+ of color" card.
That remind me a story my father told me when he was at corporation. He had a big meeting with a lots of suits and one executive was proudly talking about how 50 % of the company workforce were women. The only thing he conveniently forgot to mention was those women were 90% SEA paid 2$/month in a shitty workshop.

>>714755878
>one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous
>no it's totally a real person
>no i didn't make that up
>just believe me

>>714757729
>>714757843
actually, if SKG passes, expect fan servers and community projects to receive more DMCA requests, because now the corpos will be far more draconian with protecting their IPs. you are completely naive if you think otherwise

>>714755741 (OP)
if the game has bad practices just don't play it
i'm not gonna play the new skate game because it looks like it sucks
get a different hobby and only play the good pro-consumer titles like bg3

>>714757954
Any worthwhile project already gets fucked with instantly anyway who fucking cares men.

>>714757774
>>714757889
Useful idiots playing corpos games.

>>714755878
This is their desperation on full display.

>>714757954
>source: trust me bro
fuck off shill

>>714757954
Ok, do it.

>>714757471
I still have an entire collection of cease and desist letters I've received over the years for emulating shit that isn't even hosted or the IPs actively used.
My favorite ones are by Ntreev Soft, who, while in a literal bankruptcy stage, were barraging me with C&D letters over a fucking trickster online server.
I can understand shit like Nexon and Gravity (have tons of em too), because they're still running updated versions of their games actively and there's some sort of threat, but a literal dying company that probably can't afford a lawsuit throwing threats over something they hadn't hosted in years was funny as hell.

>>714756110
There making money by selling honestly selling a good product and making money by selling shit to your customer while fisting them in the ass and tell them they should be grateful about it.
Guess in what situation we are

>>714757915
>The only thing he conveniently forgot to mention was those women were 90% SEA paid 2$/month in a shitty workshop.
This is the crux of it all. In the west, corporate capitalism is so entrenched that they feed the proles insignificant cultural shit to worry about.
There's no such thing as "based" corporations and "woke" corporations, you're supporting the same system if you fall for this.

>>714757431
I genuinely hope people find out who you are IRL

>>714757887
Remember this for the next time an anti-corporate grassroots movement devolves into irrelevant political shitflinging. It happens to every single one of them. The modern Left v Right divide is entirely fake and gay, and it was expressly created to stop you from realizing that your country is being raped by corporate interests.

>>714757954
Let them do it if they care about their dead IP in that way. Negative press is great to kill off whatever project they are currently working on.

>>714757595
EULAS regularly get thrown out of court. They're not fit to wipe your ass let alone cover theirs.

>>714757431
That's funny but when I go on Steam (or other store) I see "buy" and not "rent" in the shop.

>>714758116 (me)
See we can do this stupid little dance too. AAA isn't even going to get fucked, just set on the right course as a service to gamers. No longer can they be a profit minded machine making slop time to start getting punished for their past behaviours

>>714755878
OH NO NO NO...
GAMERS...
NOT THE PIXEL ART ROGUELIKES ABOUT DEPRESSION....

>>714757786
>protection
the saddest part of this shitshow is that you think this is protecting you and not putting you in the same danger or forced bankrupcy as the companies you are suing.

>>714755914
Why did Microsoft buy Minecraft then? Private server based sandbox game is the definition of owning your own fun.

>>714758030
>Cinnamon Rogers
ChatGPT name
This person does not exist, what kind of fucking moron sees this list and thinks "yea, these are real people with real lives and real jobs"

When you buy a book or a DVD with a film you also technically "buy a license". That's why you are technically not allowed to screen that DVD to multiple people for pay, or photocopy the book and sell copies, even though you "own" it.
The issue is, the Warner Brothers Gestapo can't break into your house and confiscate your DVD and burn it because they decided they are "withdrawing your license" since they rereleased the same film on Blu-Ray now.

>>714757762
copyright means they not only dont have to give it out but they can legally prohibit anyone from publicly using it or sharing it, not that they care about dead game, but they wont legalize it just for a precedent
we'd have to shatter the entire copyright system

>>714758267
They will once normal cattle normalizes streaming services.

anti-SKG fags, explain why do you believe that picrel is wrong or damaging to the devs and industry

>>714757431
>you dont buy a game, you buy a license to use the service
then it sounds like we have another law to change don't we

>>714758267
The whole YOU BOUGHT A LICENSE gotcha is extremely dumb. The issue is with online DRM and mandating servers that you can't run on your own.

>>714755878
>less indie crap
good

>>714757263
Yes,like the EULA.

Everybody pays attention to what that says...right?

>>714758267
google can literally ban you right now and you lose access to all the movies you can on youtube kek

I'm for saving video games, but I don't want to be a vermin leftoid. Pull back from the brink or you'll lose support.

>>714755878
>tiny indie devs trying to experiment and innovate online interactions
Guys... 5 people might be inconvenienced if SKG propositions pass, clearly we must let corpos fuck us in the ass ad infinitum instead.

>>714758116
>Let them do it if they care about their dead IP in that way
You're forcing the publisher to care for their dead IP with SKG. The point is:
>community comes up with a fan tool that is infinitely superior to whatever SDK the developer would've shared
>publisher doesn't care to enforce IP law on 3rd-party P2P tools because no one cares about the shitty dead game enough to waste money on legal filings
After SKG:
>rights holder has to aggressively shut down fan tools to protect the upkeep costs of providing the in-house SDK
>if the rights holder provides and old/buggy/incompatible SDK that needs to be patched by fans, the rights holder will DMCA all fan patches and ensure that their game doesn't work on modern hardware

>>714758267
This already happens with Amazon/Google/streaming services, you "buy" a TV series only for the company to remove a whole season tomorrow without warning.
They would do it with physical media too if they could. They tried.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexplay

>>714755741 (OP)
As long as there's more bootlicking and mental gymnastics justifying why it's ok that corpos keep doing what they do, everything will work out
Consoom and trust the plan

>>714758368
You're literally killing heartbound.

>even the shithole countries are over 100% now
Glorious.

>>714756340
You think gaben invented discs that are basically online installers instead of the full game?

>>714758545
Why would he invent something that clashes with his online service software product?

>>714758116
>Negative press
NEWSFLASH:
They own the press because they pay for it ,so there won't be any

>>714758515
>spend energy and material to print discs that can only be played once then destroy themselves so you can throw the plastic in the ocean
>all for marginal gains on IP licensing fees
Capitalism is the most efficient mode of production for allocating resources.

>>714757431
>you buy a license
yes
>to use the service
no
Licenses for goods exist, and those who purchase them have ownership until they are found in violation of the contract or the license expires. The license cannot be arbitrarily revoked by the seller, it must have an established end-date beforehand or the buyer must be the one who violates the contract.

>>714758256
ever since Microsoft bought Minecraft its been becoming more and more of a walled garden
Especially since the Microsoft account intergration and the heavy moderation on fucking private servers

>>714757773
It's alright Chet, nobody is even aware of your shitty L4D clone. Or even remember you exist.

If it turns out this petition is like 50% bots and it gets thrown out, it might make me depressed and suicidal. I am very invested in this now.

>>714758267
Why do you think media corporation jumped on the streaming service ? Because as soon they could ditch physical copy, they could enforce that shitty licensing rule as they always dreamed it.

>>714758256
Microsoft can ban you for saying an evil world on a private LAN server with only you and a friend. Always online account requirement and DRM. Paid mods. Pushing kids to paid walled garden server hosting. They will kill the Java version the moment they believe they can get away with the bad press.

>>714758651
Its the EU bro, don't get your hopes up.

>>714757212
>We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world
good news, there's an entire website that explains it for you

>>714757786
what protection exactly? people want to buy all those games and spend money on f2p gacha, you want to ban people from doing what they like?
you want to treat games like hard drugs?

>>714757431
>then dont buy it
I'll do that AND I'll legislate against it so vile jews (like you) aren't allowed to steal peoples' access to their products because you arbitrarily decided their products should be denied to them
die jew

>>714756110
remember to kill yourself
tonight

Changing laws to suit the people is illegal, immoral and a sign of poor upbringing.

>>714755878
>first they got the gays to rally against it
>then they were strong arming the small fries to die on behalf of the big dogs
>now every major player is throwing money at the vultures to twist arms of the absolute state in their favor
Won't be long until they're sifting through Moldman's garbage and threatening his autistic kurwa wife with treason if he doesn't relent on his antics.

JUST
>*drinks sewage water*
VOTE
>*inhales NOx smog air*
WITH
>*eats chlorine chicken and HRT beef*
YOUR
>*watches ad for chemotherapy drug on TV*
WALLET
>*injects corn syrup*
YOU
>*gets denied healthcare at hospital*
FUCKING
>*-50 Palantir GoodGoy points*
SOCIALIST
>*gives six trillion to Israel*
COMMIES

>gamers want new game but they also want to keep playing old game
There was a time when microtransactions was an aberration, now kiddies accept it gladly, even expect it, because it fits their hoarding model
I rather let old games die, get new games, and 0 microtransactions and paid costmetics and shit

>>714758256
What the fuck does that have to do with anything he just said?

>>714758425
Did you know that you and someone you hate can both like the same thing?

>>714755974
How does it harms them

>>714758651
it's a petition, it won't go anywhere nor accomplish anything

petitions don't have power, the best you can hope for is an opportunist politician chasing votes over bribes and introducing legislation to smack down these corporations and even then it'll most likely be grandstanding, not something that actually passes.

You need to understand, real power doesn't come from shit like petitions, all this is doing is telling the corpos how many powerless people don't like what's being done to them.

>>714758153
not in this case, and you will never win if you try to sue for a service termination

>>714756634
Boy, you better not look in the mirror then ;)

>>714758668
The fuck are you on about? Minecraft is playable without an account. The DRM only exists in the official launcher, which many people don't use.

>>714758956
look it just does okay

>>714758981
It's not a petition, it's a European Citizen's Initiative. I understand this is difficult for Americans to understand.

>>714758156

>>714758981
It's not a petition though. The EU Commission needs to deliberate and write a thorough report on the topic. Even if they refuse it, they'll still have to explain in detail why, which will sour a lot of people on the EU.

>>714758309
>we'd have to shatter the entire copyright system
No we don't. Devs already release software with full source code and assets while at the same time restricting it's use with licenses.
Releasing your source doesn't affect your copyright.

>>714755914
>companies hate people owning products and making their own fun
Hey!
Do you have a license for that fun you are having?!
That will be a 30% tax!

>>714759043
Yeah, a 'license for the product'. That means ownership. It cannot just be arbitrarily revoked. You can't just make the product non-functional just because you want the customer to buy Product 2.

>>714759036
As an American, I can concur that the majority of us are proud retards with no concept of ownership for the things we work for. By design of the ruling class.

>>714759019
>using unofficial launchers
Microsoft calls that piracy.

>>714758981
Access to clean drinking water was made a human right, and prison reform was conducted accordingly, after a similar petition.
There was a petition to save bees from pesticides, which also led to law changes.

In the EU, these citizen's initiatives do lead to law change. And if they don't, you can sue the EU.

>just don't buy it
How about you just don't sell it instead?
We'll pass these laws and if you don't like it then welp, just don't sell the live service sloppa.

>>714759158
>buying a license
nope, I'm pirating so I own the product
or buy from gog if i'm feeling like a paypig

normal person:
>see shitty live service game
>don't care, don't buy it
>it ends up dying within the first few weeks (wow, who didn't see that coming?)
>still don't care
/v/:
>NOOOOOOOOOOO THIS SHITTY GAME NEEDS TO STAY ALIVE FOREVERRR
>"are you going to play the shitty game once the servers are online again?"
>...no

this is why no one is taking SKG seriously. you're like SJWs asking for games to have more representation even though you were never planning on buying the game anyways

I'm about to give activision a panic attack when I turn on my psx to play this.

>why activision
They are current IP holders.

>>714759238

Just don't use Steam or a console?

>>714759104
>No we don't. Devs already release software with full source code and assets while at the same time restricting it's use with licenses.
>Releasing your source doesn't affect your copyright.
The DOOM engine's source code being released 30 years ago but the official WADs still being for sale on Steam is a good example. Except nobody needs to go that far, nobody is asking for source code releases, just player hosted servers.

>>714759202
The EU is less of a shithole than America. Americans are still brainwashed into thinking having universal healthcare will make things worse. Instead it is mostly spiteful people that would want to keep others from getting health care while they spent all their time and energy to get some for themselves. They see it as a slight against their own hard work.

Its spite and greed. Monster psychotic behavior.

the weird thing about this law is that it would de facto forces restaurant to provide all food items they ever put on the menu once. Same for clothing, car, or anything, really.
For gaming, that means every indie game should be ready to provide every patch number forever because there will be at least one autist that will sue you if you patch the bugs they like

>>714759349
>Americans are still brainwashed into thinking having universal healthcare will make things worse.
Ask them why Israel has public healthcare and watch their brains short circuit.

What's their excuse?

>>714759350
>burger analogy

>>714759350

>>714759320
Retard

>>714756690
Doesn't matter retard. To chase "line must always go up" international corps must always abide by EU. They won't ever exit the market, no matter how many times EU takes the consumer's side. Losing potential 10% profit for giving up on your greed is far better than losing 100%, and allowing competing corporations to take all the market, which will make your shareholders leave for them. Amerislaves can race to the bottom to please corporations all they want, as long as a single big market sides with the consumer, it's good enough.

>>714759028
Kill yourself contrarian nigger kike spic jap

>>714759416
How does Stop Killing Games effect GOG?

>>714755878
Name ONE good client-server based indie game.

>>714756634
>anon doesnt look into mirrors

>>714759426
Zhe line VILL go up!
You VILL own nozeng!
You vill UNT be happy!

>>714759397
The way minimum thresholds work is based on their number of MPs in the European Parliament, which is roughly proportional to population but with a minimum of 6. So these small population countries with 6 MPs have unreasonably high minimum signature thresholds.
This applies less to Cyprus than the other two but you know how Greeks be.

>>714759349
>>714759349
>EU is less of a shithole than America
BAHAHAHA
Eurocuck delusion in full force

>>714759468
>client-server based indie game
minecraft
: )

>>714759468
Palworld

>>714758607
its not a good, its a live service whats so hard to understand? your 'ownership' is access to the service and nothing else and it can be terminated at any point
if the hotel is closed you can no longer live there and you are not entitled to the building

a legislation will just make them be more clear in their advertising not to mislead the customers and thats where it will all end

>>714759468
All versions of Counter Strike

>>714759468
Deep Rock Galactic

>>714759396
Nigger, keep your /pol/tardation where it belongs. Americans dont have free healthcare because of spiteful ignorant people. Not because of a fucking ethno state colony in the middle east. Most of Europe has national health care in one form or another while America does not. Canada has universal health care.

>>714759456
SKG is about games that rely on a central server to function, not about old games incompatible with modern systems.

>>714755741 (OP)
THE GOYIM KNOW
SHUT IT DOWN

>>714759593
>SKG is about games that rely on a central server to function
Name 10 games worth playing

>TOS: We can terminate access to this live-service game at any time.
>*accept TOS*
>*game dies*
>"wtf rossman please save me!!"

>nooooooo they don't care about it

>>714758543
>Czech Republic
>Austria
>shithole tier
Excuse me?

>>714759269
>all those demos
'member PS1 demo discs?

>>714758515
>The technology launched in August 2003 as a joint-venture with Disney's Buena Vista Home Entertainment under the name eZ-D.
>Disney
Of course

>>714757620
Why the fuck are you posting this shit here? Nobody here has said fucking shit.

>>714759572
You think they'll ever just shut down DRG? Devs seem like the kind of guys that would handle that gracefully. Unless they go bancrupt and sell to some trash tier publisher, I suppose.

Keep fighting, remember how long it took for film preservation? Faggot hollywood was burning old film reels for no reason and changing original copies.

>>714759583
Missing the point. Most conservatives that advocate against public healthcare also love Israel. Ask them why their favorite country has chosen to "suffer" under this socialist scam healthcare system.

>>714759675
I played the Syphon Filter demo so much, the taser was fun.

>>714757438
>Airbags kill more people than they save
i bet you wont post a source for that coward

>>714759734
>You think they'll ever just shut down DRG?
that's called "moving the goalpost" in my town

>>714759650
I love how the moldman is destroying the weak limp wrist faggots like Thor who suck off corpo cock on the regs.

>>714759816
google it retard

>>714759527
>indie
>microsoft
small indie company

I think most people would find this type of transaction reasonable:
>Hey there, I will give you a copy of my IP in exchange for money. What you do with this copy is up to you, I just ask you don't claim the IP as yours and distribute it without consent
>Seems reasonable, ok

>inb4 corpos would complain about that
corpos aren't people.

>>714759750
The point being ignorant and spiteful people. Yes, you just reaffirm my point. How old are you?

>>714755878
>Zurich-based queer indie dev
oh no, I am sure we will be missing out on such kino from this developer.

>>714759650
Funny how lobbyists are some of the highest paid corporate dogs, but this dude does it for free. No Patreon or anything, you have to go to his goddamn website to throw him a cent

>>714759675
Demo One and Winter Releases 98 my beloveds

>>714758030
any legislation against sony is legislation for ownership

>>714759675
Damn, I seldom feel the supposed pains of nostalgic reminiscing for things I can still engage now, but then there are exceptions for stuff like this where the past is majority just the memory. We really didn't know how good we had it.

>>714756085
Undertale, To the Moon, Celeste, Lone Survival, Beyond Citadel, Rollerdrome, VA-11 Hall-A, Needy Streamer Overdose, I can continue but you know what all those games have in common? They all playable offline and won't be affected by SKG in any way.

>>714759860
I accept your defeat.

>>714759860
Not that anon, but Google claims you are both wrong and that majority of airbag-related deaths happen because of either defect or improper use. So you are both wrong and making a dishonest argument lmao.

>>714757438
THIS IS A SHILL FALSEFLAG
shills are posting dumb shit like this to discredit the movement. DO NOT ENGAGE.

>>714757438
Retard doesn't understand survivorship bias

There's more injuries to airbags/seatbelts in minor accidents because before then those people just died

>>714759224
>buy from gog
You still don't own the product on GOG. You cannot re-sell a GOG game. Even though if they were brought into court they'd have to let you re-sell it.

>>714759796
>>714759973
>>714759979
>Silent Hill
>Crash Team Racing
>Ghost in the Shell
There was such variety on those discs...

>>714759635
Whether it's worth playing or not is beside the point. If someone paid for a game, distributor should not have the ability to take it away even if it's a horrid piece of shit.

As long as Ross says NOTHING about idpol trying to poison the well we'll be fine.
Just shut the fuck up.

I love how much "corpo" has become a filthy word.
It's a beautiful thing to see.

>>714759468
DragonFable

>>714760102
I'd love to believe you, but there are people who dont wear seatbelts because "they kill more people than save" as their honest argument. I know two personally (friends of friends, both idiots). Yes, I used anecdote, but mostly just to show that there are people who honestly do believe and argue for shit like this.

>>714760206
>Legally, you cannot sell a GOG game, unless you're talking law, then you can legally sell it.
>>714760231
I think people should suffer for buying bad games.

>>714757109
its a made up sob story about a game developer that doesn't eixst.

>>714757074
Game that lets you do one thing a thousand times is better than a game that lets you do a thousand things once.

>>714760129
Not to mention that you're supposed to WEAR YOUR FUCKING SEATBELT.
Airbags are secondary, they only work if you have the seatbelt on to restrain you otherwise it'll break your ribcage.

>>714759397
Intellect apparently.

>>714760260
yes i know people think like this.
thing is, there's no point in bringing it up in a thread like this - the only point to saying "some dumb conspiracy theory argument" unironically is to paint the movement as one being supported by conspiracy theorists.
then big corpos can argue that "look, this isn't serious, it's just some crazy tinfoil types"

>>714755974
Looooooool!! Riiight riiight... oh, the poor indies! think about the indies! Won't someone please think about the poor little indies!! Fuck you, cocksucker!! Eat shit in hell, you fucking satan!! For anyone not seeing what's happening here, this disgusting boot-licker is doing the thing the "conservatives" are always doing, where he purposefully ignores the big companies and has instead pivoted over to being the champion of the stupid ugly disgusting down-trodden masses, the so-called indies, a group of people famous for making tiny little shit flash games. Do you fucking people think this will ever affect the indie devs?? Do you think this wiill be detrimental to people who make fucking undertale and all those other shit games?? Of course it won't! No, tinh shit devs who makd tiny singleplayer games will not be affected by this, so just ignore what this fucking BOOT-LICKER is writing!

I don't see the harm in signing. Just as all the anti-SKG debators say, nothing will happen since giving server binaries is impossible. Once game developers prove beyond any doubt to the EU that this is the case the thing will be buried. Because of that I don't see the harm in continuing to support and sign the initiative. It's just a little bit of harmless fun, right?

>>714756902
>fullest extent of the law
nothing burger, their practices are illegal

>>714756517
>license revoked
>have to destroy product license pertains to
That's literally how it works with everything.

>>714760253
>one little word is enough to send the slaves into a seething rage
Kek

>>714760291
>Legally, you cannot sell a GOG game, unless you're talking law, then you can legally sell it.
That isn't contradictory.
There's no established method to resell non physical vidya, mostly because nobody's actually brought it to a court to force storefronts to implement it
Funny enough Steam would likely have an easier time setting up such a thing than GOG would.

I just don't see how you beef with the freemans mind guy

>>714760440
>Once game developers prove beyond any doubt
that it's possible and also pretty easy
also lol at devs proving anything, that's like saying "once the corporation proves it's impossible for it to poison the environment"

>>714760220
For me it was Treasures of the Deep, Lifeforce Tenka, Medievil and The Unholy War.

>>714757535
>whrn tv shows and movies go off the air and are no longer available on store shelves, they become classified as lost media.
That's not what lost media means, lost media is when media isn't available ANYWHERE.

>>714760291
>Legally, you cannot sell a GOG game, unless you're talking law, then you can legally sell it.
Yes, that is correct.
GOG has it in it's terms of use that you're just given a non-tradable license to the game. But, considering they're selling games as goods (or rather as a perpetual license) instead of services, it makes the whole thing a legal gray area. Under EU law, you should be able to sell your own perpetual license to any software whenever you want without interference of the original license distributor.
However, GOG will not let you sell a game, nor will they let you sell your account. But if you have enough money to file a lawsuit, you would likely win and force them to implement a "second hand" section in their online store.

>>714760576
>>714760481
You can sell GOG software. You would lose your GOG account. It is not illegal.

>>714760338
>>714760260
The fact that most people casually drive without seatbelts baffles me. Driving is taken as normal and boring but you're still moving in a tonne of steel at 100+km/h, the energies involved are incredible. The slightest bump can turn you into paste.
Not saying you need to be a bundle of nerves or have a panic attack, but how dumb do you have peace of mind without putting a seatbelt on?

>>714760526
I was trying to be facetious.

>>714760576
>But, considering they're selling games as goods (or rather as a perpetual license)
I like how you're saying this as if it's unique to GOG and not how every game not explicitly called a service is sold.

>>714760635
*how dumb do you have to be to have peace

>>714755741 (OP)
Rossman has gotten things wrong before and I wouldn't be surprised if he got things wrong now. He also has a bad habit of complain and offering no solution and using terrible hyperboles to push his narrative.

>>714760619
How would you go about selling your GOG game? There's no option to do it anywhere on their website. The only thing you could do is sell it, and ask GOG to remove the game from your account without disclosing the reason why.
>You would lose your GOG account.
Then that means you're forced to sell your whole game library. Which is extremely anti-consumer.

>>714760663
It's unique to online stores, like GOG, yes. If you buy a DRM-free game, be it digital or physical, you're legally allowed to re-sell it. GOG does not implement a way for you to sell a game to another account. So they're actively interfering with your consumer rights / property rights.

>>714760808
Why should he offer solutions?

>>714760639
ah my bad anon

>>714760842
>Download game
>Go on to eBay
>"Gay Sex Game 9: Backdoor Sluts PC GOG Version (via Download Link on Mediafire)

EUbros... we can save vidya gayms

>>714759709
Just in case. And I see anons go
>"Le leftists are corpo bootlickers"
>"No no, it's the nazi chuds"
>"Ackhually if we push this initiative through, it's communism!"
Just making sure people here know it's stupid to argue idpol shit when the initiative has nothing to do with idpol stuff. Remember that mods are paid by corpos to delete and autosage these threads.

>>714760904
If you ensure that only the buyer has downloaded it, yes. That's pretty much how it would work if doing it remotely. Otherwise you'd burn the game installer onto DVD(s) or add them to a USB drive and ship it.

companies are allowed to do whatever they can to maximize their profits, but you're not allowed to do anything to save your money

>>714755974 https://docs.godotengine.org/en/stable/tutorials/export/exporting_for_dedicated_servers.html
Oh the horror, I have to follow this tutorial to make it possible for multiplayer games to host private servers, that'll surely each up a huge chunk of my development time

>>714757605
Any US based car company would have done that and pushed for legislation that made seatbelts mandatory so they could cash in on licence fees.

>>714761021
100%. People have being doing this for decades. It's only with Steam that people stopped doing it.

>>714760983
They've been accusing us of being commies for the last 3 weeks. I haven't been called a commie so much since I was 18.

>>714755878
Just release a devkit bro.
You can even charge extra for it.

>>714755878
If buying is not owning, then pirating isn't stealing.
It's that fucking simple. Cry about it if it bothers you so much.

>>714760842
Read comprehension isn't your strong suit is it.

>>714761147
>then pirating isn't stealing.
Pirating isn't stealing, retard. That's why it's using a different term. Otherwise people would say "stealing" instead of "pirating" or "unauthorized copying".

>>714760842
>It's unique to online stores, like GOG, yes.
It's not, every single piece of media is sold as a permanent, private licence

>>714757915
They use that card because they are a shill falseflagger that it's trying to make this into "racist bigot gamers support SKG".
Do not let that fool you.

>>714761221
Not every license is a perpetual license.

>>714761206
>That's why it's using a different term.
It's almost as if there's different kind of theft and piracy is one of them. Are you also going to say that burglary isn't stealing because it's not called stealing?
Fucking moron.

Every thread brings me more and more joy, seeing how terrified the big nose tribe is of this.
They genuinely didn't expect the sudden momentum to get this thing passed in a week, and now they're too late.
I fully expect them to roll out the "actually SKG is racist and misogynistic" narrative soon.

>>714759675

>>714761273
Every piece of media that isn't a service sold is
Books
Games
Movies
Music
All of them.

>wtf nintendo not producing virtual boys and fester's quest cardrige helps them to make more money?????????????????????????????????

>>714758030
I wouldn't be surprised if John Deere ends up on that list.

>>714759526
What a compelling counter-case you are presenting, mutt.

>>714761318
Except for the fact that they want skg to pass.

>>714761290
Piracy is a made-up community term for unauthorized copying/distribution.
>burglary isn't stealing because it's not called stealing
Correct?

>>714760867
Because if you don't then you're just bitching, and nobody wants to hear someone yap and complain while offering no solution. It's even worse for someone like Rossman who's driving s political campaign

how did OSRS and WoW classic compete with long lasting preexisting private servers

>>714761323
Lara Croft... the ultimate sex symbol... also
>G-Police
We had this on PC!

>>714757954
DMCA would only work on community project that are profit driven or active during a game actively supported by a developer (and even that is quite arguable).
Otherwise it falls under the Fair Use Doctrine.

>>714761147
>If buying is not owning, then pirating isn't stealing
You don't own your apartment or house so technically I can break into it whenever I want. It's not yours so you have nothing to say who enters it at any time

>>714758515
they want us to recycle and pay fees, then things like this and planned obsolescence are ok and they do nothing about it...

Fuck the planet, fuck the recycling.

What the fuck happened to video games... Who buys this? why? Its almost incomprehensible to me why would someone do this. What a way to destroy 30 year old legacy.

>>714761206
You dumb faggot. Don't reply to me with your dumb ass shit. You're not smart, you're a retard yourself. What I said is perfectly correct. Shit your diapers more, fag.

>>714761526
Piracy is a service issue.
They provided servers where you can be certain your character doesn't get deleted when owner gets bored.

>>714755974
Yes, because as we all know, indie games are known for microtransactions and always-online features.

You just know that jews in charge were already preparing the stage for streamed only games which would give them 300% control over everything.
No mods, no piracy, no backups, no permanence at all.

>>714761290
>Are you also going to say that burglary isn't stealing because it's not called stealing?
imagine being this much of a retard and trying to argue with people on the internet LMAO

>>714761545
See because G-Police - a single player title - doesn't phone home you can still play it on modern windows today!

>>714761567
You definitely own your house if you've paid it up. Your logic is dead in the water, you imbecile. Back to high school with you.

>>714758515
Ah, who's to blame, lets see
>An American
The other guy?
>An American

>>714761637
>the corpo fears this

We can save video games.

>>714761526
by historically shutting down the most popular servers

>>714758515
I get this in concept.
>People like renting movies, but hate returning them.
They tried to fix a problem that people really don't give a shit about

>>714761612
Whoah, you're using critical thinking? FUCKING GET THIS GUY! HE'S THE REAL VILLAIN OF THIS STORY BECAUSE SOCIAL MEDIA TOLD US!
It's unironically always Jews who pull this kind of shit, and there are actual mouth breathers who defend them. Fuck. No wonder gaming sucks dick today. There's too many dumbfucks who don't see what you described. It's 100% what's going on right now. They're literally poising for live-service and these retards don't realize what that means. Fucking dumb asses.

>>714761602
>What I said is perfectly correct
it's objectively, factually and legally wrong. You're just a retarded kid trying to be edgy by parroting "piracy isn't stealing then!!".

>>714761637
>little pin-up girl on the chopper
Holy soul

>>714760808
If you say that fan maintained versions of your old games would significantly damage your bottom line for newer games, then you're admitting that they can't compete with their previous product, and are not putting out something that people will want to play because it's better, but because it's your only choice.
The solution to this "problem" of devs having absolutely no faith in their product to the point that they can't top what they made 5-10 years ago should be pretty fucking simple to everyone who isn't a mouth breathing retard

>>714761772
>B-But! Legally! Factually! Durrr!!!

Shut the fuck you retard. You're wrong own it or go fuck yourself.

>>714761772
>it's objectively, factually and legally wrong
So is murder. Therefore according to you, stealing = murder.

>>714761801
They put it on the gunboats as well. To scale she would be like 12 feet tall.

>>714761612
FYI skg wouldn't stop streamed games.

>>714755741 (OP)

>>714761612
its funny how gamestreaming basicly died because they could never convince the masses the tech was any good
give it another 5 years and they'll try again and it'll still be dogshit

>>714755878
>Zurich-based queer indie dev
Guarantee no one is buying this fag's games regardless of SKG.

>>714759527
>>714759561
Java Minecraft and cs1.6 are playable p2p. There wasn't any centralized servers when those games first came out.

>>714758515
This thing only came about because people were too lazy to return their video rentals

>>714761889
Suddenly feel like eating donuts.

>>714761926
>companies get to collect endless late fees earning them more than renting itself
Why would want to solve the free money machine?

>>714761645
You're right I did miss a few step, should I said
>As long as you have a mortgage you don't own your hose.
So if you have a loan that you're paying off? Then you don't own it

>>714761915
big chunks of the world still having dogshit internet is probably what saved us from it being ever present.

>>714761080
Exactly.
It is paid corpo desperation. Threatening one side that they are going to turn into nannystate commies while saying to others that they are killing poor indies and siding with nazis.
Disgusting shit. I wonder how some people can live with themselves while being paid to spread confusion and discord among humans and in process supporting corpos and rich elite.

>>714759397
not all European countries understand English or consume English related media, this makes movements like this more difficult to be known

>>714755741 (OP)
Oh they're scared shitless, this means SKG has a chance but we have to actually talk to our representatives and make it clear how they should vote before the industrys lobbying groups get to them.

>>714761323
im pretty sure all those are available on the archive
which one would you recommend i demo first?

>>714761147
...And denuvo isn't for poor brown people

>>714761206
In my country, it's called "copy-robbery"

>>714761818
>then you're admitting that they can't compete with their previous product
You can't compete with a sunk cost fallacy, you can offer a much better product but people won't make the jump because of the time and investment spent. Just look at the smash scene, Ultimate is way better than melee but for some reason people just refuse to give up melee

>>714755878
gay people can't make a server?

>>714762050
The essential playstation disc as it has the widest number of good games that are playable.

>>714761994
If it was such a free money machine then where are all the video rental stores? Your scenario assumes that people returned the movie at some point or paid the late return fee.

>>714759397
Per capita, Malta and Luxembourg are participating very well and Cyprus isn't dead last either.
Luxembourg has a realistic chance of making the 100% by the end of the month.

>>714761994
>companies get to collect endless late fees earning them more than renting itself
You only get money from late fees if people paid them anon.

>>714756192
name one perfectly altruistic society

>>714761612
They already tried and failed at this a million times. Best they could ever get any success with was goypass, and look at how that turned out.

>>714762147
those french votes are so fucking botted holy shit.

Why do supposed live service games require you to still purchase a one time perpetual license to a game when actual live service games only require you to purchase a subscription fee to gain access to said game for a set amount of time?
I don't own a gacha slop because I didn't purchase a license to it, same as netflix or spotify or whatever services. I bought a subscription giving me access for a set amount of time.
I factually own a one-time purchased perpetual licence though, the same way I own a movie, cd, book, software licence I purchased.

>>714755878
if an indie dev makes a game where you can buy a load of shit and then 12 months later
>ok I have new game now, but it all over again
they are going to stop learning to code and start learning to grill instead

Brainlet here
What are the odds that if Stop Killing Games passes that we'll see a wide massacre of online games being killed left and right moments before it goes into effect?

>>714761889
Why

>>714762120
Turns out that people paying monthly to not use something is even better.

>>714762260
the odds of it being retroactive are close to 0
whether or not they affect games currently still being updated is 20-30%

>>714762260
it's not retroactive, so 0

>>714762027
Maltese speak English.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKJq65q2qrY

>>714762063
And yet Ultimate still sold millions upon millions of copies because it still appealed to enough people.
You shouldn't be worried about maybe 10k people a year playing a 2 decade old version of your game.
The example you gave already refutes your worry.
Nintendo/Gamefreak "should" also have a significant issue with people just playing older versions of pokemon if sunk cost fallacy was a significant worry, but they don't.
The only thing they have ever panicked about was, surprise, a direct competitor trying to fill a similar niche.

>>714760050
>defect or improper use
Both of these are manufacturer issues. Airbags deploy automatically.

>>714762260
Zero. Even if the game publishers are pretending to not understand it, they do actually know what SKG wants and how it wont affect current games at all.

>>714762226
>Why do supposed live service games require you to still purchase a one time perpetual license to a game
The fuck are you talking about?

>>714762063
Except that the ones that still play Melee are a niche inside of a niche, if you have this problem on a scale that even normies prefer the old game then you have a big problem.

>>714761570
Recycling is only worth for metals sadly. Paper should be burned or decomposed. Glass should be crushed. Disposable plastic shouldn't exist.

>>714757074
if it's that simple how come Riot's clone just got canned, corpo cuck

>>714755878
>WE DON'T HAVE ANY ARGUMENTS! QUICK SEND THE TRANNY DEFENSE FORCE TO DISCREDIT THEIR MOVEMENT!

>>714762260
None.
But it will be funny to see Blizzard try to justify why WoW is a "service" that require you to buy a a one-time purchase of a 60$ perpetual license every time they shit out an expansion.
Worst case scenario for them is when and if they decide to shut down ALL WoW servers, they'll have to give either offline access to the game or dedicated server tools to their customers.

>>714759158
Yeah, and it says product too. Not a service

>>714758598
Yes, read writing of Ludwig von Mises and the Austrian school of economics.
The concept of intellectual property is ridiculous to people following this school of economic thought.
Mises Institute abides by these rules – and they put their money where their mouth is, all books, audiobooks, and other works, to the extent possible, are published for free.
https://mises.org/search?articles_prod%5Bquery%5D=intellectual%20property
Check the Library and give it a read.

>>714757431
I agree with >>714758063

Jannyshills are now pruning SKG threads

>>714759965
He is fighting the good fight

>>714762362
MMOs that require one-time purchases of the base game and its expansions for example.

>>714755878
Just don't release always online garbage if you don't have the budget, simple.

>>714756117
Someone doesn't understand what either of those things are.

>>714762260
0.
Hell, even all the fearmongering is based on nothing: even in the best case scenario all that would be asked for is for companies to have an EoS plan, something that basically consist on releasing a patch to allow for offline gaming and P2P servers just before they shut down the whole thing (or, if P2P servers can't be implemented easily, then the tools to allow privates to make their own servers).

>>714755878
>actually this is bad because it hurts trannies or something
lmao

>>714759965
>>714762571
>have literally billions of dollars at their disposal
>still can't stop one man whose only assets are mold and beans

>>714761738
>video game jew comes in to crack open a 666 with sunglasses
>everyone too polite to point it out.

>>714762689
the lobbyists can literally just tell the lawmakers to say "no" and they will
that's what's going to happen in the end

>>714759965
a man with autism and a cause is priceless

>>714762147
>cyprus
didnt a bunch of jews show up there?
>luxumberg
not a good look for us. that rape den should have 0%

>>714762737
valve, nintendo and apple tried that and failed

>>714762737
If they could just tell them to say no, there would be no need for extensive shill and propaganda campaigns

>>714762260
Based if this happens, I'll unironically celebrate

>>714755741 (OP)
The music, movie and book industry are perfectly fine competing with themselves, so why is it a problem for videogames?

>live-service games
>MMOs
How fucking difficult is it for devs to make an offline patch and an editor for the game? Yeah, its going to be a single-player game after that, but atleast you can edit some shit so its not as grindy or egregious - think Hero Editor for Diablo 2.

>>714755878
>sowsowski

>>714757313
He’s not a Jew, but his name sounds Jewish enough that several times he has accidentally received Jewish privileges.

>>714762823
This is antisemitic to point out

Reminds me of cartoons being dubbed in your native tongue and suddenly they never air again. With the only thing still on TV being the live action slop. They take down any reuploads but don't air it or release DVD's. Thank god for real ones who record shit.

Is there any industry where the consumer is more willingly cucked than games? Some hipster shit who buys vinyl records, or old dude who buys books wouldn't stand for companies overnight deciding that from now on we will just delete the your private property whenever we feel like it, despite decades of not being able or allowed to do that. There wouldn't be a "debate" within those demographics about maybe we should let the corpos destroy your purchased items

>>714762836
That's because they're control freaks that use bs excuses like IP/brand protection, pretend other heavily multiplayer games (like fighting games) can't be played offline or locally, and that fair use doctrine doesn't exist except when they can use as marketing strategies.

>>714762260
None because it's not retroactive but some live service slop might get cancelled

Surely providing an API spec so that people can build their own server would be the bare minimum needed for this? Just get some intern to do it.

>>714759350
>food analogy
Buyable food is designed to be consumed once. It's not a permanent thing you can lose access to. Your statement with the patches has some merit, that's why this bullshit needs to have some very good fine print.

>>714759642
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm
See 3/7/11

>>714755878
You mean not only I fuck over AAA publisher, I also get to oppress LGTVQ+ people??? AT THE SAME TIME???

>>714762836
Imagine if Overwatch 2 didn't superimpose itself over Overwatch 1 and if they had to release an offline patch for OW1. Who'd play OW2 in that scenario?
Imagine if W3's remake didn't superimpose itself over W3's original release through battlenet?
You gotta understand these people KNOW their products are inferior now.

What's the plan with middleware by platform holders: Steamworks, PSN, Google Play? AAA companies can suck balls, but many small indie devs can't build a supplement by themselves. Are they just fucked and will have to hire network engineers to comply with the law?

>>714762737
why didnt Apple try that?
are they retarded?

>>714761915
Nvidia now has taken up the mantle. It's the closest thing you'll get to streaming, currently.

>>714755878
Did these people not read the part where it says that you can still do GaaS slop but you have to inform the consumer of when it will end.
You can just write "we can only guarantee access to this game through January 2027" on the box/store page.
SKG just applies rules that already apply to every other good and service onto video games.

>>714763167
>Who'd play OW2 in that scenario?
People who want to play multiplayer online? Also the OW2 selling point was the PvE mode that is now cancelled

>>714763176
if steamworks or google play shuts down, it is the end of the world. sorry.

>>714759642
TOS told me to drink gasoline and light a match in my mouth please save me

>>714763263
>People who want to play multiplayer online?
You'd have private servers for OW1 within a month of EOS, especially with how OW2 ended up.

>>714762737
>that's what's going to happen in the end
Not before the spores become terminal. You can buy your way into heaven but you can't outrun the mold.

>>714761452
It's tested in court that you can't use theft or stealing to describe a case of copyright infringement.

>>714762437
My perfect immortal machine can't be this cute.

>>714762338
You gotta hand it to Nintendo, Showdown has been running for like 16~17 years now and they haven't gone after it.

>>714759350
A better food analogy would be
>restaurant offer one-time purchase of a good that you then own. Whether you eat it or take it home is up to you
>restaurant offers a buffet service clearly stating it's giving you access to all the food it offers for 10 hours but you don't own the food it offers though and you can't take home all the food the buffet offers since you're sold a service.

>>714763317
and? where are the downsides?

>>714762823
do you have books as live service with microtransactions?
>music and movie
can't say for music but isn't the movie industry doing nothing to preserve old movies? Best you can get is some streaming service having the movie available for limited time or something

>>714762975
Movies, TV series, music. They have long since learned to own nothing and be happy.

>>714761838
imagine being this retarded

>>714762260
Zero, because guys behind SKG want a compromise which will exempt any currently existing live service games from having to comply to any new regulations.
It would only get retroactive if the gaming companies really piss off EU regulators.

>>714762836
It's not difficult, just financially dumb. Why would they leave you with a playable game when they can kill it and force you to buy the next one?

>>714763330
Correct.

>>714758030
Those names sound fake as fuck

how is every one of these threads hitting bump limit when it's just the same tired bullshit over and over
>HURR DURR SKG IS BAD
>why
>BECAUSE IT JUST IS
and people just keep replying to these spastics for weeks on end

>>714762637
present your argument

>>714755741 (OP)
>we have to shut down the game because it doesn't have enough players
>this game would somehow pose a threat to new games
bro, give me half the salary of these lobbyists and I can do a better job shilling your agenda. this is pathetic.

>>714763176
Steamworks can be emulated IIRC with things like GoldbergEmu. Not sure what'd happen for the rest though, the multiplayer infrastructure is already right there and it wouldn't be hard to change it to allow the players to host the multiplayer aspect.

>>714763167
I dont care about OW1 or OW2. I do care about SC2 though. And you know what? SC2 pirated version, one with just Wings of Liberty campaign and some skirmish maps was so much fucking better than the shit we have right now. None of that e-sports bullshit like 3-2-1-you can now play the game or announcers or 3$ for a single unit skin.

>>714763403
Satan walks among us and his name is Cinnamon Rogers

>>714763459
easy (You) farming

>>714763459
As the adage goes, if you repeat a lie enough it becomes the truth.

>>714756517
He has streams where he plays DOTA 2 and just mutes all of his teammates. I used to watch him because I had to fix Macbooks sometimes.

>>714763378
You answered my question of "who'd play OW2?" with "people who want to play multiplayer online"
And I told you that OW1 would have private servers so you could keep playing it online, meaning "people who play multiplayer online" would just play on those.

>>714755741 (OP)
Did people not understand companies make decisions based on what's the most profitable?

>>714763459
They're not spastics, it's just bait, we have an unambiguously good thing for once but the internet has mindbroken people to ragebait each other for entertainment, especially /v/.

>>714763608
>You answered
that wasn't me
answer the question, what are the downsides?

>>714763215
no they just know their consumers are retarded

>>714763459
I'm happy to see legal grey areas that game companies try to maintain, like one-time purchase ownership, being talked about in a customer protection angle with the fact there is no argument that would stand in a legal court against it.

>>714755741 (OP)
>capitalism is le bad

>>714763576
>He has streams where he plays DOTA 2 and just mutes all of his teammates.
Holy fuck he's literally me

>>714763667
You're a fucking idiot.

>>714763525
Is getting a reply really that great?

>>714763658
>They're not spastics
Life has taught me this is more likely than bait.

>>714763703
I for one welcome our billionaire overlords. They worked hard for those money and deserve every cent. If you stopped being a lazy cunt working your 3 jobs and got yourself a rich sugar daddy like they have, you too can be rich.

>>714755878
>Whole point of SKG is to stop the abrupt end of service for online games that has become commonplace in recent years
>AAA studios ignore it because the think it won't get any traction
>It gets traction. It gets a LOT of traction.
>AAA studios panic and start making up bullshit
>AAA studios use influence in industry to twist the narrative
>AAA studios get fag indie Devs to side with them via empty promises

>>714763746
It is when the person is genuinely mad

>>714763459
It's /v/, people here shit up everything no matter what it is just to ragebait to feel something. Did you think indians actually post here? or trannies? or jews? or social justice warriors? or anti-SKG? It's all done on purpose to ragebait and to piss people off.

>>714755878
>underrepresented racial or ethnic groups
so white groups then? particularly white men, who ironically make up 90% of the western gaming audience dispite representing 10% of modern video game characters

CONSUMER RIGHTS ARE TYRANNY
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY

>>714763703
Yes, is a jewish anglo creation after all

What just happened?
Did a big e-celeb just drop a new video?

>>714763215
they had strong anti-competitve and environmentalist case and it was lobbied FOR by other corporations
there is no case here

>>714763235
>GaaS slop but you have to inform the consumer of when it will end.
You retard, that essential kills the point of GaaS. The "appeal" of GaaS is that it's a game intended to get continued devolepment and support so as it's played enough by a large enough playerbase. Telling people when a game they bought is just gonna end definitively basically kills a consumers interest in wanting to play such a game they know is gonna die regardless.

>>714763235
>you have to inform the consumer of when it will end.
it's not profitable enough tho because imagine potential consumer finds out game 1 year before EOS, do you think they'll invest in it?
You need to think as predatory as possible and still you'll be called naive...

>tfw there are opportunistic shysters trying to turn SKG into Gamer Gate 2.0 so the can have their Zoe Quinn moment but it's backfiring hard on them

>>714763940
Bots
Bots
and more BOTS

>>714763940
>dips in middle of day when everyone is at work
:O

>>714763480
lol no
seethe

>>714763971
All sides of the shit flinging hate Pirate Software so it's not going to work

>>714763167
The question is why anyone still paid money for OW"2" skinshop? the answer is people are retarded and legislation will stop them
and thats what is making everyone here so mad
people want the slop, people want live service, people want gacha

>>714757431
Buying only a licence is why I don't feel bad about games being pirated.

>>714763215
Apple was planning on moving to usb c in the first place because it's cheaper to produce but they're brand allows them to sell at a premium.

>>714764063
>the answer is people are retarded and legislation will stop them
Companies are smart and will find a way to bypass the legislation

>>714763740
>no argument ad hominem
and there it is

>>714764063
Now imagine if Blizzard couldn’t delete overwatch 1. Overwatch 2 with 5v5 and having to buy cosmetics again or playing Overwatch 1? Many would keep playing old game instead

>>714757620
pretty sure the glaring majority of shitters are outside forces and bots arguing with each other

>>714762975
>Is there any industry where the consumer is more willingly cucked than games?
Not really, the existence of SKG is proof enough since it exists for the sake of "safe" spending rather than just not spending until a change happens

>>714764093
>Apple was planning on moving to usb c
>planning
you mean forced
>Apple is required to switch to USB-C charging ports for its iPhones and other devices by the end of 2024 due to new European Union regulations aimed at reducing electronic waste and standardizing chargers.

>>714764186
where are the downsides?

>>714763964
Easily countered by having a subscription based monetisation ONLY that gives access to that game for a set period of time.
If you sell a game that requires a one-time purchase that's not a service, it's a digital good as stated bye the EU Court of Justice.
Whether it still requires subscription to gain access doesn't make it magically a service you don't own. You own a perpetual licenced copy of the game and you should expect it to be available to you for an indefinite amount of time once it's no longer supported. Hence the proposal to give offline modes or dedicated local server tools.

>>714764174
What "there" is, you dumb retard? You are a dumb idiot that can't even follow a conversation thread.

>>714764029
To think the hate has grown so hard that pirate not only is getting constant death threats but also got straight up swatted

Nintendo is a big company, they stole my Wii U money when they shut down the Mario Marker Severs. I bought the Wii U specifically to play Mario Maker, even buying the Mario Maker Bundle. The same with the Mario Kart 7 2DS bundle.

I refuse to buy the Switch 2 now because I got burnt too many times, meanwhile thanks to hobbists I have full 4K Mario 64, while Nintendo just gives you a shitty upscale with the BLJ-less version of the game that was sold under "Disney Vault" conditions.

Stop Killing Games needs to rip a New asshole into Doug Bowser and Shigeru Miyamoto.

>>714763386
>Why would they leave you with a playable game when they can kill it and force you to buy the next one?
There is no guarantee that i will buy the next one. So it is highly probable that buy killing one, they kill any desire to play any other, because it will be the same story with that one too.

My personal experience? Battlefield 2142. I loved it, yet i hated the fact that it was just designed for multiplayer and had no campaign and a very limited skirmish. If that is what BF game is like, then i dont want to play it at all, and none of them even offered the sci-fi vibe that i like.

And that is another issue - player may buy one game, and play it, but that doesnt mean that that player will want to buy another one like it, because those games lack some features or are designed in a specific way.

Again, my own experience - i played two MMOs, absolutely hated the fact that they are all grindy pieces of shit with gameplay tailored to be as infuriating as possible, and i have not played any since. Would i play them if i was the single player in them and had control over the gameplay (like drop rates, spawn rates, being able to adjust settings and values - thus being able to make my own balance)? Yes (i am looking at you, Elder Scrolls Online and Path of Exile).

Also, forcing players to buy the next game in series is an act of coercion. Should be criminal, or atleast have a tangible penalty to the publisher.

>>714764392
Stop believing everything a pathological liar says

>>714764238
>first apple devices to use USB C were their mouses and macbooks in 2015
>common charger talks started in 2016
Planning, anon.

stopped getting consoles after psp store was taken down.
thankfully I had more physical games than digital but still lost my digital games.
I had to go the pirate way and jailbreak my psp so I can play digital games I bought.
Fuck corpos.

>>714755878
>LGBTQ+
Aww shit here we go again Gayben Gate 2: Electric Scootalo

>>714755878
>Should be titled start killing developers
I already signed it, you don't need to convince me

>>714764392
>swatted
Nothing has made me feel my age more than pirate software and the realization that the internet is overrun with literal children who are too young to have developed the life skills needed to identify and avoid pathological liars and narcissists.

>>714764484
Then why did they have to go to court and fight the EU mandate?

>>714763824
Lobbyism should be a severe criminal offence, applied retroactively. Because lobbyism is bribery, just not a direct one.
It took decades for smoking to be recognised as harmful and for bans to come around, and it only happened when tobacco lobby got thrown out of the court rooms and proceedings and process overall.

Bribery - not even once.

>>714763940
that might be a botnet coming online, unironically
I hope it's not

>>714764682
They didn't.

>>714758072
>anti-corporate
is political from the outset

>>714755878
He has the corporate so far up his ass that he can feel it in this throat lmao.

>>714764814
Over 500M euros in fines say otherwise.

>>714755878
its funny because no ones gonna buy those DEI games anyway so they are gonna go out of business, so why would they be a live service in the first place they already know its DoA, if they dont they aren't smart enough to make a game

>>714764873
Only in america, where sucking corpo cock is expected and legally enforced.

>>714764959
You mean the one that's happened this week? What does that have to do with what we're talking about?

>>714764967
It's not about DEI GaaS games making profit, it's about getting money from investors for making DEI GaaS games.
If this passes then they'll lose the easy "Here, make something like Fortnite but have LGBTQ+ and BIPOC representation" investor funds

>>714756117

You can't, the government can. Retard.

>>714765045
No, the other that happened 2 months or so ago.

>>714765045
>planning caused apple to eat half a billion in fines
Not really sure how you see this as an apple win.

>>714759675
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SwQr1Xsg9E

>>714765143
Who said anything about a win? You're not even on the same topic anymore.
Not to mention 500m is an incredibly small fine for a 3 trillion dollar company.

>>714758030
oy vey the goym are rising up. time to spend the lobby money and run gay ops on 4channel

>>714765101
They very much can't alter ownership rights like that without some kind of mass exodus or ruining the economy.

>>714765340
>it's alright, they got money!
Apple cultists are truly exceptional at sucking corpo cock.

>>714764297
>You own a perpetual licenced copy of the game
You don't.
If it's online-only, it's a service, even if it's a single purchase.
And ALL digital goods and services in the EU are already required to honor a 2-year warranty as of:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32019L0771&from=IT#tit_1

>>714755741 (OP)
i want good single player games, i dont give a shit about online shit

>>714755878
STOP MAKING ONLINE GAMES THEN YOU RETARDS. MAKE SINGLE PLAYER GAMES.

>>714765414
Christ, no wonder you people are being played by corporations right now

>>714765417
>If it's online-only, it's a service
That's false by the way. A game a s a service is defined by the constant support, not it's reliance on the Internet.

>>714765523
>deflection
Just take the L, bootlicker.

>>714765496
hmmm....no.

>>714765572
If it's online-only, it requires support.
If it's offline, it requires only maintenance patching unless otherwise advertised.

>>714756302
The whole "boycott yourself and put your head in the sand" mentality doesn't work. I wish it did, because then Nike, Apple, Microsoft and more would have gone out of business decades ago. Truth is most people are extremely selfish consumers who don't employ long term thinking, ethical spending, or refusing to spend money out of principle in general. Truth is regulation prevents us from living in an economy where corporations thrive off idiots and fuck over the rest of us who actually employ our brains. I cannot force people to stop spending money at Apple, but I can force Apple to stop fucking over their consumer base.

>>714765417
>You don't.
You do. You purchase a product. You don't rent or lease a product.
>If it's online-only, it's a service, even if it's a single purchase.
That's not legally defined anywhere except on TOS that do not supersede customer protection laws.

>>714765576
That's not even what deflection means you moron.

>>714765732
you attempting to put a hold on big corpo is anti-semitism.
you must be better

>>714765694
>If it's online-only, it requires support
That's not what support means, support refers to content updates in the same way a service like Netflix has new shows added to it.

>>714765834
>you must be better
I'll try to be more anti-semitic then.

>>714765814
You're talking to people who signed a potentially industry altering initiative because their YouTuber overlords told them too without even reading or comprehending it

>>714765765
The essential ToS are available at the point of sale.

>>714757038
>rent-free for 11 years
Sasuga

>>714756458
This is the single most retarded take on this issue I've read so far. It's actually impressive how fucking wrong you are.

>>714766146
He's not "wrong", he's lying

>>714765883
No, a service is a value-added that cannot be separated from the provider, e.g. servers & their maintenance.
They are not selling the server software.

>>714766217
That's called being wrong on purpose for the sake of deception.

>>714765959
You didn't read it as you still keep claiming that it means the devs have to suppoet their ganes forever. There's so much astroturfing here tha it's mind boggling. Your whole post reeks of "how do you do, fellow channel four browsers!"

>>714756913
>>714757038
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/gamergateskg.png/
Keep trying, Ranjesh.

>>714756104
That's not the meaning of capitalism you dumbass redditor. You can't just keep calling everything you don't like capitalism, words have meanings.

>>714766368
Thats their tactic, they just call everything they dont like fascism or capitalism. They think everyone should be able to be rich without working and that it would work somehow.
Bunch of retards.

>>714763940
It's almost exactly one hour long.

It's simple, it's like marriage.
You don't own a wife you just allowed to be her for as long as a BVLL allows you to.
Then you'll lose that QoS to the BBC.and you'll be happy watching them have sex.
You will own nothing and you'll be happy.

>>714755878
People keep acting like this would affect games in the past. The intention is to change games going forward. All this would be is a regulation encouraging you not to do this.

If it passes, it would be an EU regulation, meaning you could still do it and just not sell the game in the EU/UK.

>B-b-but audience share! Muh Steam
There are plenty of games that do not get sold in different regions due to a huge list of factors. There is literally nothing stopping you making online-only slop.

>The devs have to run the game forever!
Not true at all. All the initiative asks is that there be a method provided so that the game can be played offline in some capacity when they aim to stop running the servers themselves. All you have to do is plan ahead before closing a game down.

Part of what makes the movement so funny is how hard the anti-SKG side are about projecting ideas onto it.

>>714766673
It is easier to shoot down an initiative like this if you misrepresent it.

>>714766673
They'll do what apple does and comply with the law in the EU and sell the shit version to the americanoids because they deserve slop

>>714766673
It will affect games sold after a certain date.

>>714766490
Kinda like Russians define nazism as opposing Russia in any way.

>>714755878
>sosowski
Hmmm

>>714766673
yup i miss old games having a reliable server/client software included and the gay centraliced megaserver you pay a gay sub if you re console nigger

>>714766291
See what I mean. No one ever says anything about keeping servers up but that's your go to strawman.
You won't listen to anyone other than you YouTube overlords.

>>714766218
Are you retarded?

>>714766814
We do not have any confirmation of anything as the initiative passing only means that it will be discussed in EU and UK parliament, nothing more.

If this does affect existing titles then all they will have to do is have some form of method for existing owners to play the game after they shut down their servers. This can be as simple as letting private servers be run with very little assistance from the devs. The goal is not for the developers to have to go through a ton of extra work, it is for players to have the legal means to play the games post shutdown.

>>714755741 (OP)
>Corporate defenders end up as suckers
Always has been

>>714767115
>no true scottsman
Kek, get new material instead of projecting.

>>714767256
That not how you use that term.
I'm starting to think you're just a pajeet with a docket filled with buzzwords to use.

>>714767115
>No one ever says anything about keeping servers up
Because it's not true? At least pretend you've read the petition, shill.

>>714767320
>Because it's not true?
Which is why it's obviously a strawman when you claim people do.

>>714767171
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_(economics)

>>714767303
>aayyyeee, no trrue scottsman son!
Kek, i see that you're seething. I suggest you go find a safe space.

>>714758368
YOU CANNOT DO THIS!! ITS IMPOSSIBLE!! YOU ARE GONNA KILL US ALLL!!!!!!
MY QUEER MASTERPIECE !!! SISTERS SAVE MAAAAAAYYYY!!

>>714767383
You are aware that entire article goes against what you've been saying, right?

Any ideas for the remaining 4 squares?

I'm hesitating whether to put jannies in CN or CE, and to put thor in NE or CE.

>>714767381
Which part of SKG mentions servers having to be up forever? Keep up with your mouth tard.

>>714767115
>>714767256
>>714767303
>>714767421
Reading this reply chain is fucking unreal.

>>714766758
>europeans can have rights while mutts keep getting raped by corpo cock
The good are blessed.
The bad are cursed.
The world has balance.

>>714767528
>Which part of SKG mentions servers having to be up forever
It... Doesn't.
That's why it's a strawman to say others are saying that.

Do you know what a strawman is?

>>714766632
Disregarding all of that bullshit, men have long since passed the point where executing lobbyists is justified. The rich are clearly waging war on the working class and those below it.
People like you are mentally retarded enough to blame who you want to blame and not who is actually fucking your life up via policy and corporate greed.

>>714767606
Skgfags aren't the smartest anon. You have to be very slow with them.

>>714767532
That's what happens when contrarians and those who side with the corporations clash among each other while trying to astroturf.

>>714767606
>replying to his own posts
You're the one who's been talking sbout the servers non stop, even though the slg has no such demand.

>>714767481
It doesn't.
If a game is online-only, the client software is an extension of the essential service.
The disc/license may be transferrable, but it is still reliant on the seller's server infrastructure.

>>714767714
>contrarians and those who side with the corporations clash among each other while trying to astroturf.
I mean, the contrarianw and the corpo lovers are the same group.

>>714767507
pirate software should have a square of retarded nepobaby