Thread 714783832

How many times more money will lobbying groups spend against Stop Killing Games as it would have cost to just comply with it?

maybe stop trying to place regulations on how a developer chooses to make their game? you people are no better than anita sarkeesian if i'm being honest

>>714783832 (OP)
>Game has a development budget of $10 million
>$9.9 million has to be spent on the guaranteed 10 years of live service
Its fucking hilarious how you retards didnt think this through

>movement became gamergate 2.0 and is entirely fueled by e-celeb drama
>silences and censors those who have any sort criticism to the movement
>doxxes, sends death threats
>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>if you ask one of its supporters what the movement is about they will unironically send you e-celeb videos
>it's literally all just zoomers that love e-celebs supporting it now
I am disappointed that this sort anti-freedom of thought/speech movement is gaining so much traction in /v/.

>>714784980
its fucking hillarylarryus how greedy companies are that they don't give a fuck about the players let alone their devs

>>714784980
running a vps costs 10 dollars a month. you're welcome.

>>714783832 (OP)
It's about sending a message to consoomer cuckolds. You will own nothing and suck dick.

Why is /v/ trying to save live service games? You guys said that you hate them and that they should all be destroyed

>>714785180
stfu weeb faggot and stop sucking corpo cocks

>>714785180
Stop falsefalling as aquanigger corpo ea nigger

>>714785329
Sure, to cope with 10 players. You're retarded

>>714784980
>>714784214
Here are a list of things that do not need to be included at EOL for a game.

>>714785180
>>714584694
>>714398521
Do something about your AIDS, brown boy.

>>714785510
nah, you're retarded. vertical scaling goes very far nowadays.
and we're talking about games that would otherwise be shut down because they don't have a lot of players, right?
can't have it both ways.

>>714785845
it was just a meme reply anyway cause >>714784980 is a total lie or just bait.
the publishers wouldn't be required to support the games at all.
just let the community run the servers.

>we dont want you to run the game forever
>we want you to forever host the files we can use to run the game

>>714786251
That's not an issue at all because these game companies already distribute vast amounts of files via their current games, so the old EOL games and their server software would be a drop in the bucket. They could even charge a few dollars to purchase it to cover the costs of hosting.

>>714786251
gog installers

>>714786251
whoa, bro. imagine if they distributed the game with server binaries to begin with.
that would be wild.

>>714786251
I like how tech regressed 20 years back when it comes to consumer benefits.

>>714784214
Nah if you didn't want this shit you should have left the anime tits alone, get fucked corpo shill

>>714784980
>shitty gaas die
Good

This shit has spiraled into another eceleb tier controversy with all of the soi facing thumbnails and muck raking that happens with it.

>>714784980
>>714785180
>>714786251
you LOST fucker, cope it or leave it

>>714784214
nope
there will be minimum standards
corpos can eat shit and die

>>714787860
I mean we'd have consumer benefits if it did.

>>714788082
>multi billion dollar corporate shill tries to reduce engagement in movement by painting it as "eceleb drama" because a couple videos covered it a year after it started

>>714788221
Look at Ross' latest thumbnail. Pure dramafag clickbait soifacing garbage. It wasn't like that before the eceleb infighting.

>>714784980
>Game flops on release
>Do like one reason out of contractual obligation
>Servers closed
>No refunds
>No private servers
>No nothing
>Fuck you
Where do those 9.9 million go after that, huh?

>>714788342
Anything with his face on is not clickbait, it's click repellent.

>>714784214
>maybe stop trying to place regulations on how a developer chooses to make their game
When you stop pretending customers don't own the perpetual licensed copy of a game they purchased.

I can't explain to you how funny it is that the shills opposing this change their reasoning and tactics every single day.
Right now we are seeing the try to make this a culture war/political shitflinging fest.
>WELL WHY DO YOU/"EUROPEANS" CARE ABOUT BIDEO GAMES WHEN YOU COULD DO SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT
>did you know/why is (insert group here) supporting this and it shouldn't pass because tribalism is cool and kino and based and redpilled
>look at this twitter screencap of some retard being a retard so now stop supporting this

made it to over 1.2M signatures

>>714788771
They're pulling all the stops and it's fucking funny.

>>714783832 (OP)
Reminder extremists from this movement swatted a game dev and mass review bombed games from a company he was associated with just because he lightly criticized the movement

>>714785606
im pretty sure that you still need lootbox disclosures, and i dont see how thats a "system" and not a simple predetermined value.

>>714783832 (OP)
>Stop Killing Games
can I have a qrd in plain non-shill-non-buzzwords Standard English, please?

>>714788082
no, it hasn't. you're trying to make it that because you can't refute the petition on its merits.

>>714789050
Sucks to be him, should've read it in fully before spewing a bunch of shit

>>714789050
conveniently no proof has been provided for the swatting claims

>>714789150
Okay so you know always online singleplayer games and multiplayer games with central servers? What happens if they get shut down afterwards? You lost your money that's what so it asks devs and publishers to have a plan for people who bought their games to be able to play them after that happens

>>714789050
>extremists
>mass review bombed

>>714789150
Multiplayer and always online games must give you the ability to host your own servers or else have an end of life plan that allows you to play the game offline.

>>714789150
"Stop Killing Games" is a consumer movement started to challenge the legality of publishers destroying video games they have sold to customers. An increasing number of video games are sold effectively as goods - with no stated expiration date - but designed to be completely unplayable as soon as support from the publisher ends. This practice is a form of planned obsolescence and is not only detrimental to customers, but makes preservation effectively impossible. Furthermore, the legality of this practice is largely untested in many countries.

>>714783832 (OP)
It's not about the money. They want complete control. They want to be able to shut off your videogame, they want to be able to brick your console remotely. This is why this needs to succeed. WE NEED TO TAKE CONTROL BACK!

>>714783832 (OP)
Not much, the Indian shills they hire only charge 1 rupee per post.

>>714789448
Thanks Grok.

it's a EU petition not a movement you dorks

>>714786251
GOG has DRM free offline installers. So yeah, your point is mute.

>>714783832 (OP)
Well we all know the AAA industry isn't averse to wasting money on shit no one wants, why would they suddenly become frugal?

>>714789636
It's GamerGate 3.0

>>714789636
>it's a EU petition not a movement you dorks
It is not a petition, it is a European Citizen's Initiative.

>>714786251
I can't believe storing files locally is a lost technology

>one of the arguments is that locally hosted servers or offline modes for past, unsupported games will directly compete withe newer titles
Does any past fighting game playable locally, offline or in local arcades hurt current title sales?
Did Battlefield 2 (still has private servers on the fucking PS2) hurt Battlefield 2042 sales?
Did Diablo 1 & 2 offline modes & local servers hurt D4?
What about Flight Sim 2020's offline mode, did that hurt FS 24's sales?

>>714788342
He's not an eceleb.

>>714784214
Damn! You got the first post! Looks like you get an extra 20 rupees for that!

>>714789876
Yes

>>714789889
yes he is

>>714789998
Prove it.

>>714789876
As long as they assume sales are hurt, even slightly, they will bend consumer law as much as they can to attain maximum profit factor. It's like betting on whether a jew will walk past an unattended shekel on the ground.

>>714789876
Yes

>>714783832 (OP)
Huh, that's a good question and a very funny thought. Meanwhile the signatures keep comin' in.

>>714784980
I fully support SKG but the arguments against it are so weak I had to think of why it’d be “so expensive”, the only reasonable thing I could come up with is reworking a solid decade of Jeet code into something functional would be nightmarish and need a really good coder with a good enough pay so he doesn’t ventilate his skull with a 22. When he sees 18,000 lines of code for the simplest functions that can be translated to “ਕਿਰਪਾ ਕਰਕੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਇਸ ਪੈਸੇ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਹੈ ਇਸ ਲਈ ਕੰਮ ਕਰੋ ਜੀ”

>>714784214
>stop copying dumb random bitch who, infamously, got everything she wanted and more for more then a decade, despite 0 organic support and the consequences of her demands pushing the western gaming industry to the near brink of collapse
Is this supposed to make me stop? If Anita can get what she wants for 15 years, we could easily double that, if not go on for longer.

>>714789298
>>714789338
>>714789448
Thanks anons, indeed, I agree companies should provide a way for customers to continue playing for games they paid for.

>>714784214
>how a developer chooses to make their games
This is 100% a publisher decision for planned obsolescence. They aren't even willing to put a warning label on a game guaranteeing at least a year in advance when they'll stop providing support, that's how volatile this is to them.
>no better than [thing]
should've just said Hitler, since that's about as effective as your ad hom gets. you'd have an easier time convincing people that you can read a couple paragraphs correctly than convincing people that the shit you paraphrased isn't garbage you pulled from your ass.

>>714790062
How?
The answer is obvious, you're going to be more incentivized to buy a new game if you suddenly can't play the old one

>>714783832 (OP)
Ross is too optimistic over this being treated seriously or with any sort of respect.

The reason regulations pass is because people know other people. Ross knows no one, his initiative will be picked up by boomers, treated with minimum effort (AAA will be consulted and will provide a biased, snopes-verified rebbutal to why you should own nothing and shut the fuck up) and then everything will be dismissed.

In the end, people like Pirate Software always win.

Anons, what are your favourites private servers?

Personally, I like City of Heroes Homecoming, wouldn't have been able to play City of Heroes without it.

>>714790346
>people like Pirate Software always win.
Pirate Software is an incompetent narcissist with no power over anything

>>714789876
Do you know what they mean with that in a roundabout way?
It slows down the constant growth of their company profit. It is them nudging at EU to try and warn them that they are limiting their ideal form of Capitalism where line goes up forever.

>>714790346
>Ross is too optimistic
Ross has been incredibly pessimistic, even acknowledging this could end with no results. The point is this is the best CHANCE we have

>>714790346
his ENTIRE ass?

>>714790346
Except Ross already 'know' other people - namely, the people that willa ctually go and present the initiative. He's an Ameripoor, he doesn't get to go to present the arguement to the EU Committee himself.

>>714790482
No it's just a regular money making decision

>>714783832 (OP)
Costs basically nothing to comply with it. Just upload the game / server source code to github and allow the community to host their own servers. Done.
Should be standard behavior, and was for core gaming companies like Epic and Id before Microsoft started throwing money around to lock gaming to their platform and closed source, software-as-a-service, business model.

>>714790504
>this is the best CHANCE we have
All that happens is it means you can present a case to a committee
It's the equivalent of talking to your senator or MP or whatever
It doesn't mean anything

>>714789761
it's guys that failed to get "gamergate 2" off the ground trying to co-opt it

>>714790608
Games were never open source you lying idiot
Id open sourced some of their stuff years down the line, that's it

>>714790675
And? Would you rather sit on your thumbs doing nothing?
Why with SKG you can feel smug about doing nothing, so there is something it gives even you

>>714785180
you're not criticizing, you're complaining with no real point. i also guarantee that you dont actually have a valid criticism that cant be easily refuted. its painfully obvious that you've simply formed an opinion (or are a corporate shill) and no amount of rational argument to refute your opinions or "points" will actually matter to you.

its a very simple proposal, and you have to be a special kind of retard to stand against it. like, there are some qualms and considerations like "if we do this, then there also needs to be protections for the company saying that they arent responsible what users DO with product after its no longer supported", like if exploits are found or crime rings start up or whatever. but thats not a criticism to say "it cant be done at all", its a consideration to make sure we do it right and create the full package and not a one-sided reactionary result.


>if you ask one of its supporters what the movement is about they will unironically send you e-celeb videos
somebody else already did the work. you really want every individual you ask and engage with to personally write out everything or make their own video explaining it to you? grow up. accept that whatever question you have has been answered. not everybody needs to know every single detail through and through and be able to pass a scrutinizing test in order to be valid enough to support it. trying to discredit people for something so simple, honest, and BASIC only outs you as a disingenuous shill. if you think there is something to "debate" about this topic, you clearly arent CAPABLE of understanding it, or you're just a corpo shill. its not complicated, and theres no real danger to devs if the proper precautions, protections, and execution steps are put in place.

if you have an actual question, ask it. if you need a clarification, ask it. if you simply dont agree, then fuck off and kys, because its not a topic to "agree" or "disagree" with. its simple semantics.

dead internet theory is real
do not engage with shillbots
no humans actually supports having their purchases revoked on the grounds of saving a company money.

>>714784214
>>714784980
>>714785180
hi thorbots
please consider picrel

>>714784980
Shit like this is why I am glad PS got harassed and had to quit his faggot Undertale clone. You know the argument against you is weak when you, in autistic detail, list how B, C and D make it so you never have to do A, cite numerous examples about companies claiming B and C were impossible and required re-engineering the entire game before finally doing both by just flipping a switch and giving the companies so much slack they don't even need to do that, judt do D and leave it onto the consumers to do all the work and still, STILL, the primary argument against you is 'why would you make them do A?'

>>714790783
I'd rather do things with my life that actually mean something

>>714790808
>if you simply dont agree, then fuck off and kys, because its not a topic to "agree" or "disagree" with
that's an admission of weakness, that you can't actually defend what you stand for

>>714790870
His name is Jason

>>714790872
sorry can you draw some boxes in MS paint to illustrate your retarded point?

>>714790883
>...anon said as he posted on /v/

>>714790728
>Id open sourced some of their stuff years down the line
And this is about supporting games "down the line" which Id achieved in the old days by Open Sourcing the Game Code, and even Epic allowed you to host your own servers.
It is the gold standard for long term support, and should be the standard behavior. It is also the cheapest option.
Total no-brainer.

>>714791076
hosting your own servers is in no way equivalent to open sourcing a game

>>714784214
But if this was already in place the dumpster fire earlier this year would still be played by it's whole 15 fans as they create their own private servers to toggle fat women and hominid alien dudebros.

>>714783832 (OP)
You guys are so obsessed with something that will never work. The corporations are against this. EU won't have enough power to fight against them. All it will take is for the corporations to pocket the EU money. This is a losing battle and I can't wait for you all to look like fucking idiots.

>>714790346
This, so much this. The mask comes off now, this movement is pure shit and it can eat my entire ass, all of it.

>>714791279
In the case of Concord, they probably wouldn't have to since they refunded everyone.

>>714791279
Anthem has tens of thousands of players.

>>714791314
>never do anything to change the status quo

>>714791314
>he's so much stronger, I should just let him rape me
>why even bother trying
>I'm so weak. so very weak and if I even try to fight I will look funny
>just take the cock every day for the rest of my life. it's easier.

Why is /v/ trying to save live service games? You guys said that you hate them and that they should all be destroyed

>>714785180
>tranime
checks out

>>714791445
this movement is the equivalent of throwing a tantrum
it's ignorant, short-sighted, and doesn't address the underlying issues

>>714791504
it's bots. the shilling bots got updated to talk about this topic and ignore other advertising campaigns until it's done

>>714790945
true, people that say "i dont agree" cant actually make a point to defend because no valid points exist. its just a preconceived notion for the sake of contrarianism.

>>714791445
>>714791457
Yes. You're wasting time and energy. Don't even bother. SKG is too vague, and you're screwing over developers jobs because it's more likely the game gets canned. Don't be an idiot.

>>714791681
damn an actual cuck.
hey pussy, shut up while the men are talking.

>>714791530
Anime website.

>>714791658
Saying you don't need to listen to anyone who disagrees because they're being dishonest is just more of the same, an admission that you're stupid and can't defend what you stand for

>>714783832 (OP)
a single IP is worth 1000x more than the lawyers protecting it
and this puts all IPs at stake so yeah they will shut it down

>>714785180
>they will unironically send you e-celeb videos
They're too dumb to summarize videos, mostly because they don't understand what their e-celebs are saying.

>>714791773
Wow, a racist incel on 4chan cannot even refute an argument? Surprise!

>>714790872
I thought he quit Offbrand but not Heartbound

>>714791610
I see.

>>714791897
>racist
where, pussy? little pussy baby gonna cry about made up bad words? maybe you should back off since this might be an uphill battle and I know how much those scare you.

>>714791545
>>714791681
>never do anything to change things for the better

>>714786251
what do you think happens when steam's servers go down

>>714791936
Correct. From his claims hes the only one who so much as ever touched Heartbound's code, it cannot be made without him.

>>714792028
I'm just going to ignore the idiots.
>>714792034
In this case, yes. It's a waste of time.

>>714792057
steamguard will be turned off and all downloaded games will be playable offline
this has been known for like a decade now. valve always had an end of service plan announced

DO NOT REDEEM THE STOP KILLING GAMES SAARS

>>714792057
nothing
well other than steamcucks crying they can no longer give money to the fat rentseeker

>>714792034
It's not changing anything for the better. It's lashing out because you're angry at video game producers. Nobody geniunely gives a shit about the live service games being shut down - they get shut down because nobody was playing them in the first place. You don't want to play The Crew, you want to punish greedy companies

>>714784214
If you can't make a game where we, the buying public don't own our purchase, then you're not entitled to our money.
How about we operate on that principle. You want money? We want to own what we buy, it's a very simple ask.

>>714791000
Here, maybe this will clarify my point. Let me know if there is any point in the logic chain you have trouble following.

>>714792123
>I'm just going to walk away when I get btfo
yeah I guess that's what a frightened loser would do in the face of any adversity

>>714792198
>We

>>714784214
Ah, here it is! They're starting to pretend this is gamer gate only we're the bad guys. Such an obvious tactic.

>>714792154
kek
you think after Gabe kicks the bucket, the next CEO in line isn't going to take that shit away?

>>714789050
Reminder, it's been stated before that someone followed up on the alleged swatting by contacting the local police of the area and were told that no visit to the known home address had occured.

>>714791781
objectively its not a matter of "agree or disagree". its either "i understand it and the facts speak for themselves" or "i dont understand it (or im deliberately denying it because im a corporate shill)". thats how what the situation IS.

you can express concerns or point out difficulties or subjects that require more specific and deliberate solutions to discuss, but to say "i disagree" is utter ignorance or willful malice, plain and simple. you dont have a counterpoint to make to that claim, because your only objective to perpetuate contrarianism.

>>714792195
>Nobody geniunely gives a shit
oooh that's why it got 1.5 million sigs and still climbing. because no one cares. thank you, Mr shillbot

>>714792327
I understand what's being proposed and I disagree with it because it's anti free market

We can still stop SKG, lobbybros.

Putin can try to fire artillery shells from Kaliningrad at Gdansk, where Ross is.

>>714792406
Nobody cares about what's actually being proposed
They're doing it because they want to punish video game companies

>>714792238
This isn't an anime show you loser.

>>714792168
Halt die Klappe, Deutsch ist die Sprache Europas

>>714783832 (OP)
>If this passes and works, companies will have to do the bare minimum to let us keep our games at EoS.
>If this passes and fails, the industry might get fucked (highly unlikely)
I see no problem either way. Anyone trying to argue against this is either a troll, corporate stooge, or American who hasn't actually read what this is attempting to achieve.

>>714792298
you mean his son? I don't know. he'll probably sell it and then it will go public and then everything will go to shit, yeah
steam only manages to be decent for now by staying private and not kneeling to evil bean counters

>>714791504
Save?
I was told that this would bankrupt and kill video game companies, that's why I signed

>>714792429
>owning what you buy is anti-free market

>>714792429
lol bye? retarded fuck also no one wants to fuck you wannabe normalnigger pretentious lobbyist

>>714792485
what are you even talking about you fucking fag?
your argument is "waaah why bother doing anything hard" and I am calling you pathetic for it. that's all.

>>714792472
>Nobody cares
I do
strawman defeated

>>714792245
Yes we, 1.3million of us who made our opinions into support.
Not mentioning the many more who agree but are unable to sign because they're not European or British.
Without our money you all go out of business, remember that. You're not entitled to our money.

>>714792448
>where Ross is.
Ross doesn't matter for the continuity of the ECI.
He's a figurehead for it.
He's not who officially organized it.
He's not who will be presenting it to the EU.
It will continue on its merry way even without him.

>>714792559
There's lots of ways you can spend money
You can buy something that you own, you can pay for limited access to something
Denying companies the opportunity to do the latter is just anti free market, there's no good reason to do it, if you don't like what's being offered don't buy it. If enough people agree, then nobody's buying their product, they'll have to change their business

>>714792623
No problem. Get back to me when the EU ignores this piece of trash initiative while the Corporations reel in billions every year. Fucking idiot.

>>714792726
>we
>our
>you
completely brainrotted

>>714792195
real initiative should ban gambling/lootboxes from games, this is just travesty and some autismo wanting to "preserve" games that aren't worth it
>yeah I totally want every yearly FIFA/NBA gacha to be playable forever as a part of the cultural heritage of mankind!

>>714792429
lmao, in what way is it anti free market? they can still keep making new games, the same way shoe companies can keep making new shoe designs. the difference is that when a shoe company decides to discontinue a shoe, they dont take it from your house, leaving you barefoot. it doesnt interfere with the market at all.

>>714792739
>If enough people agree
Seems like that's changed.

>>714791871
Which is fitting because half the videos of ecelebs "explaining" this shit they clearly have no idea what the fuck they are talking about either.

I swear half the """solutions""" about servers are like watching this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl6rsi7BEtk

>>714792739
>Denying companies the opportunity to do the latter
yet another person who fundamentally misunderstands what SKG does.
like clockwork

>>714792834
how has it changed?

>>714790336
So the only arguments against SKG are vague assumptions not backed by actual data? How is this expected to hold against customer protection laws?

>>714792907
People want to own what they buy.

>>714790883
Such as...

>>714784980
In practice, most of that budget gets spent on marketing and localization to sell games for a week and then drop support for them soon after.

>>714792765
do you wear a plug to hold your shit in? or just let it leak out because nothing even matters and plugging your gaper is pointless and too hard

>>714792874
SKG wants to make a certain business model illegal. You can't shut down a game that you paid for once, you have to provide a way for the user to keep playing it indefinitely

>UK isnt in the EU anymore
>Only native english speaking country
>All EU stuff is in english

lol

>>714783832 (OP)
The funny thing is that there are almost no costs.

Unsurprisingly, the lobbyists have tried to twist it, and that the costs are very high. Less surprisingly, they admitted that they take away game to force us to go on the sequels (which is planned obsolescence to prevent self-competition).

Don't let them fool you. Not taking away the license for a single player mode costs nothing.
Also, the private servers costs next to nothing, because these tools are probably already created. If not (weird), it takes nothing to make them.

>>714792765
You think the EU gives even the square root of jack fucking shit about how many billions these companies reel in? Just a bigger excuse to fine them for a percentage of their yearly income.
>then they just won't sell products in commieyurop lol!
Google bent the knee. Apple bent the knee. Microsoft bent the knee.
They'll fight tooth and nail, but in the end, the shareholders will always cave in. Slightly less revenue from following regulations is better than no revenue at all.

>>714791314
So when are US tech companies leaving the EU market because of regulations? Next time for sure.

>>714792942
Like I said, if nobody liked this business model then nobody would buy the games, thus they would go out of business
But most people don't really give a shit, so it continues

>>714790675
>It's the equivalent of talking to your senator or MP or whatever
For fucks sake at least know what this entails

>>714793015
wrong, retarded mong
SKG just requires a game you PURCHASE to remain playable in some capacity after support ends.
If you pay A SUBSCRIPTION to a LIVE SERVICE then it's different. MMOs are fine because they explicitly state you are subscribing and not buying

>>714793129
>But most people don't really give a shit, so it continues
Then why are corpos so scared of the EU initiative?

>>714791783
>this puts all IPs at stake
It doesn't.

>>714793153
>SKG just requires a game you PURCHASE to remain playable in some capacity after support ends.
thats what i said

>>714793221
they arent

>>714793000
Wow, you sound extremely upset. I wonder why? Truth hurts?

>>714792739
>movie tv studio goes out of business
>all dvd/bluray copies cease to function
>"we were selling you the experience! thats the free market!"
lmao what a retard. like i said, utter ignorance. there no disagree, only not understanding.

>>714790273
The only halfway true argument is that letting players play the game forever could hurt future sales in the series. Unfortunately for them they'll just have to come up with a better game that people will WANT to buy instead of being forced to once the previous goes offline.

>>714793153
SKG ideally should affect free to play games, too. Like Fortnite.

>>714793015
would make f2p gacha even more of a dominant model
>you didnt buy the game - we owe you nothing lol
>you bought some 'pretend money' thats on you, sucker
>game shuts down

>Always sympathized with Ross’ rants about live service but never thought he would actually do anything about it
>Now the whole AAA industry acknowledges and fears him
I kneel moldman. Corporate America stands no chance against pure unfiltered autism.

Go fuck yourselves, shills.
Kill corpos, rape their corpses and eat their spinal cords as we burn them to ashes.

>>714793237
no, you said it wants to make a certain business model illegal, which is untrue.
Making an end of service game "playable" is not outlawing a form of business and you are a dirty liar who shouldn't be trusted

I can only assume people arguing against SKG are filthy sandraker scum.

>>714793153
Most MMO make you buy the game too on top of a sub.

>>714793285
lol okay

>>714793285
then they should stop crying about it

>>714792765
Why the fuck were you paid to post this if it doesn't bother your employer lol?

corporate shills, jeets and corpos themselves are THIS afraid

>>714793221
>Then why are corpos so scared of the EU initiative?
Because they know that the EU has that big dick European energy and no corporation can stand up to the EU.

>>714793305
I'm making fun of you holy shit you fucking loser sperg

>>714793285
Yes, they are, you pathetic piece of shit.
>>714793428

>>714793361
If people were mad about this, a company would appear that would offer a guarantee that their DVDs would always work
And people would buy those
That is how the free market works

The shills aren't sending their best.

>>714793556
>I-I'm really not upset I swear I am merely trolling! Haha!
Cope and seethe.
>>714793492
Facts don't care about your feelings, squirt.

>>714793445
How do all these indie devs afford making their game support dedicated servers? 3 guys in their mom's basement can do it but AAA can't because it's too expensive??

>>714793583
What? When did they lobby against this?

>>714793425
Anything f2p with micropayments would also be subject to SKG regulations. Whatever assets are bought with micropay are also digital goods that the seller shouldn't be able to remove from the buyer's possession.

Although I would certainly invite the industry to try. If they'd rather make that argument instead of simply complying with an INCREDIBLY basic regulation, I'd love to see their profits tank as a result.

>>714793426
>America
>EU initiative that will be thrown out just like 99% of these petitions

>>714793662
>15 people play your game
vs
>150000 people play your game
Maybe the infrastructure required is different hmmmm?

>>714792783
>ESL can't comprehend two sides.

>>714793794
Not on the scale that's being requested for EoL support, no.

>>714793716
>falseflagging doomposting jeet shill
it’s afraid

>>714793716
If it's so easily going to fail, why are you so afraid? I distinctly remember the same thing being said before SKG hit 1 million and now you are panicking.

>>714793716
This. So much this.

>>714793445
The part about rights holders liable is kind of true.
Less like EA getting in trouble for your battlefield private server.
More EA getting in trouble for someone making porn with their disney collab skins in battlefield.

Theres also the inevitable
>CHILD GROOMED ON COUNTERSTRIKE PRIVATE SERVER, VALVE DID NOTHING TO STOP IT
Which isnt really them liable but absolutely something that public outrage will happen at some point and despite it being 100% not their fault they will get blamed for it. Which has happened a fuck ton of times.

>>714793794
By the time the big publishers discontinue server support, there are 15 players playing their games.

>>714793884
There are no sides here

>>714792406
90% of those don't even understand the petition

>>714793794
yeah I'm sure the games being shut down are the ones with 150k players right?
fucking RETARD

>>714793976
>More EA getting in trouble for someone making porn with their disney collab skins in battlefield.

true, blizzard is liable for all the porn made of their characters

>>714794025
Keep moving those goalposts, faggot.

>>714793716
>meanwhile US companies comply with EU's regulation every time while threatening to leave, and other foreign companies just comply and adapt like Nintendo changing their EULA for EU customers stating they can't and won't ever brick your purchased console

>>714794004
Because mine are in orbit laughing at you.

really makes you think

nothing ever happen

>>714789050
>Harshly criticized the petition with lies
>Killed the petition, until the backlash
>Doubled down when his lies got exposed
>Keeps the same modus operandi for every issue he is involved in
>Clearly arrogant and narcissist
>He left his game in development hell, and the negative reviews are due to people understanding/discovering that he is a pathological liar
>Believes he knows everything while he is just a living Dunning-Kruger effect

I see you left out a thing or two there.

>>714784214
maybe stop destroying people's property?

>>714794046
Their characters is whatever, its all the collab IPs that would be a potential issue.
I think they are really exaggerating about legal issues but I do think the bigger issue would be PR from the
>THINK OF THE CHILDREN
Retards when someone does something illegal on a private server

>>714794185
Kek, nice timing.

>>714793794
Irrelevant. You only need to ensure that the person that bought the game can still play. If they want to play with 149,999 other people then they can rent more servers. Meanwhile there's hundreds of games that allow you to host on your computer without issues.

>>714794093
>meanwhile US companies comply with EU's regulation every time while threatening to leave
>US is the girl that gets raped six ways till sunday by the bastard EU, then gets addicted to the cock and returns for more

>>714794260
he also didn't get swatted. that shit is public information and is another victimizing lie

>Start losing
>HELP, it's another GG SAVE US WIKIPEDIA

>>714785606
>Bro just flip the switch
>It's that easy
Look at that list of slop. I miss pre 6th gen consoles

>>714790336
>Yes, it hurts sales.
>No, I can't prove my claim. You must take it as true, though.
Kill yourself, you disgrace of a shill.

>>714793109
only idiots actually think they'll abandon a market of nearly half a billion people

Remember 90% of pc gamers are pirates.

>>714794521
You can't prove hypotheticals you moron

>>714790143
Kill yourself, shill

>>714794616
remember SKG applies to console games

>>714793976
>The part about rights holders liable is kind of true.
so in the legislation, put in clauses that specifically state that the company is not responsible for such things. done.
>Less like EA getting in trouble for your battlefield private server.
>More EA getting in trouble for someone making porn with their disney collab skins in battlefield.
i dont see how USER MADE content with this is any different from rule34 shit already, but again, just put in a clause that doesnt make the company responsible for what USERS do once support is severed. if a kid commits suicide by deliberately slicing an artery with the sharp edge of a broken game disc, the game company is responsible in way. same thing.

>child groomed on private server
this wouldnt fall to a specific company, but rather the concept of gaming as a whole, and still would be the responsibility of parents to supervise.

>>714793978
Not him but one of the issues with this is people really dont understand jack shit about server demands or really the fact that theres no one "server" for online games
Its not the 2000s anymore where you can just run a local server for your bros to play on your old spare computer.

Shits demanding and all of these GAYMING LAPTOP AND TABLET retards clamoring for private servers wouldn't be able to host them anyway. Even hosting a zomboid server can be a pain in the dick and we just pay to do it at this point.
Not saying throw the entire idea away because of them but pointing out people have REALLY misguided ideas about IT yet have really strong opinions on it lol.

>>714793470
then that might stop. just pay for the time you play why make an upfront purchase?
I don't "buy" Netflix and then pay my subscription on top of it

>>714794725
>Its not the 2000s anymore where you can just run a local server for your bros to play on your old spare computer.
Yes you can
Game servers have not become more demanding

>>714785180
It's babbys first movement. This whole shit reeks of "we did it reddit, we support the current thing"
If you ask a question the response is
>Nobody is asking it to be free just do all of the work, someone told me it was easy
Or
>Spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, because at least 1 person should be able to still play it. It's the idea not the actual results
Just stop buying shitty games, problem solved.

>>714794641
Then stop making bullshit claims you can't back up.

>>714794330
Exactly, and it's a good thing actually (even though I liked the fly mechanic in this game), it could be used as an ammo to help promote the initiative.

https://gamerant.com/anthem-servers-shutting-down-when-january-2026/

>>714783832 (OP)
reminder that this is who lobbies stop killing games: BIG PUBLISHERS

>>714789050
he deserves the consequences of his actions. >>714794260

>>714793710
>subject to SKG regulations.
what regulations? you didnt buy a game, you used a service for free, you dont own anything
you realize that they can just ban and do ban thousands of users while the game is still functioning and you cant do anything about it, service terminated for tos violation, no refunds
how will you regulate this? enforce the companies to never ban anyone? will never happen

>>714794838
>Epic Games listed
>no Valve

>>714794802
It's logic you moron
People like a product
You take it away from them, this creates demand
You satisfy the demand with product 2

>>714794682
he's a pathetic shill. don't pay him any mind
corpos are fuming that people will be able to call each other nger online and not have their money stolen
>>714794906
nobody cares about your whataboutism retard. the list isn't exhaustive

>>714794838
where's the lobbying?

>>714789809
It's technically a petition by definition. Though the political implications go further than some petition.org bullshit or whatever those scams are called.

I never would have guessed community servers would send shills into a complete mental breakdown

>>714789708
>point is mute
Yep this is a 3rd worlder/underaged movement

>>714794641
>You can't prove hypotheticals
And that's why companies always comply with customer protection laws.

>>714790062
I can think of at least one example where a previous game was so much better that it hurt the sales of the sequel.

Payday2 being playable hurt Payday3.
3 was such a giant piece of shit that all the players flocked back to the actually good game instead. If players wanted to play a heist game and 2 wasn't playable then some of them would probably buy 3.
Basically their argument only works when the next game is fucking awful. Otherwise people would be happy to play a superior game.

>Quick, we're losing! Call it reddit or something so they do what we want!
Geez, they fucking suck at this.Must be jeet hires.

>>714794725
>Its not the 2000s anymore where you can just run a local server for your bros to play on your old spare computer.
LOL
LMAO EVEN
https://www.thegamer.com/rust-start-owner-server/

>>714795021
What the fuck are you talking about?
Politics really brings out the stupidity in people

>>714794971
videogames europe is one of their arms

>>714794906
valve already does what it wants

>>714794971
VideoGamesEU (board comprised exclusively of AAA publishers)

>>714795084
So your idea of "lobbying" is that little public letter they wrote? Seriously?

>>714789150
Some retards want to play some shitty Ubislop game that closed down due to not having enough players. So people are trying to rely on the government to do something to force the servers to come back up.

>>714784214
>buy TV
>it stops displaying anything at all because it can't connect to the manufacturer's hard-coded server
this is the future you want

>>714793710
>I'd love to see their profits tank as a result.
gacha is the current most profitable model, how do not know such basic things

Total planned obsolescence death

>>714795126
>he things that's everything they're doing
lobbyists don't put down all their cards together on the table
have a pity (You)

>>714795126
Are you retarded? Do you think lobbyists don't send emails, phone calls, social media messages, or physical mail?

>>714794854
Speaking of.
I would probably be more behind this if it were about digital ownership and rights from companies fucking banning you with automated ban software and you having to fight tooth and nail against fucking pajeets to get unbanned.
Make it so SAY WORD LOSE MONEY isnt an actual thing and companies need to fucking refund you if they falsely ban you

I dont give a shit about "game preservation" or live service games getting shut down after 10 years.
Im pissed faggots can mass report you can get you suspended in online games.

>>714793026
English is the universal language. Most European countries teach it in schools apparently so plenty of Euros are multilingual. Would be difficult to do anything if all of it was in French, since not many people outside of France speak it.

>>714795050
they aren't even being paid, leto's cabal is a lower tier than jannies

>>714795010
I would.
Community servers were systematically and maliciously killed off. Giving control to users is a modern dev’s worst nightmare. How are you supposed to sell mappacks and battle passes or enforce police state levels of chat moderation that way?

>>714795228
I'm asking where the evidence of the lobbying is, because that letter is not lobbying

>>714795126
>It doesn't count!
Every fucking time.

>>714794906
Valve is normally smart enough to keep out of whatever drama is going on.
They tend to not comment on ANYTHING which keeps them from going full retard.

>>714795167
Yes. Move on. MOVE. ON.

>>714795281
Lobbying is where they try to influence lawmakers
That letter is a public letter to the people signing the petition

>>714795328
valve already does what SKG wants anyway, they have no reason to get involved

>>714795328
they also have already announced end of life plans and their games all support community servers. they don't have to do anything more to comply with SKG

>>714794725
>Its not the 2000s anymore where you can just run a local server for your bros to play on your old spare computer.
nonsense. if your software architecture sucks, just say that.
>Shits demanding and all of these GAYMING LAPTOP AND TABLET retards clamoring for private servers wouldn't be able to host them anyway
nobody says they're supposed to run on laptops, faggot.
>Even hosting a zomboid server can be a pain in the dick and we just pay to do it at this point.
skill issue on the devs' side and on your side. the game is badly opimized.
>people have REALLY misguided ideas about IT yet have really strong opinions on it lol.
that sounds like you

>>714795275
>Group representatives may appear before legislative committees. Public officials may be “buttonholed” in legislative offices, hotels, or private homes. Letters may be written or telephone calls made to public officials, and campaigns may be organized for that purpose. Organizations may provide favoured candidates with money and services. Massive public-relations campaigns employing all the techniques of modern communication may be launched to influence public opinion.

I wonder who could be behind this shilling...

>>714795041
That's their own problem for delivering a messed product. Yet they're still getting money either way since the publisher owns both game's distribution rights, so how is that a problem?

>>714795443
>they also have already announced end of life plans
No they havent lol.
Some rando customer support rep a decade ago said
>ALL YUR GAMES WILL BE THERE FOREVER
Valve hasnt ever said shit about what happens if they were to shut down

>>714795368
>Politicians aren't part of the public
>lobby groups do nothing behind the scenes, they only make public letters
You'll never get a raise with this performance

>>714790273
it's expensive because modern games use ten billions third party libraries with restrictive licenses
just look how retarded Havok licensing is nowadays...

>>714793904
Im laughing at your pathetic crusade which will end in nothing - see all the petitions which ended in nothing

and you think everyone is part of some conspiracy while people are just shitpositioning about the current meme

>>714794798
>Just stop buying shitty games
what if the game is good, but the business decision is still to end it? regardless, you dont get to decide what other people find enjoyable. you come off like typical /v/tard that doesnt play ANY games, and just argues for the sake of arguing online.
>hundreds of thousands of dollars!!!
wildly exaggerated and made up numbers. companies have made EOL plans before without issue, why now is suddenly so WILDLY over budget?
and more importantly, even if the cost increases AT ALL, its still morally and ethically correct to fix this issue. there are loads of building codes that need to be followed and you sound like a faggot going "what do you mean i have to ground the electricity? and i cant make the walls out of cardboard anymore? do you have any idea how much that is going to COST???". get bent, retard. this is necessary progress for the good of the people. figure it out.

>>714795483
>Massive public-relations campaigns employing all the techniques of modern communication may be launched to influence public opinion.
its a letter that took someone 5 minutes to write
it has basic spelling mistakes in it
This petition is not directed to lawmakers. It's directed to a comission who will look at it and decide to present it to lawmakers, if they feel like it

>>714795532
>a customer service rep answered the question a decade ago
sounds pretty official to me

>>714795508
I mean that's their argument and it's technically somewhat true. It's a bad argument. It's not our problem and I doubt anyone will be swayed by some billion dollar company whining that costumers aren't moving to an inferior product.

>>714795350
No. Kill. Yourself. KILL. YOURSELF.

>>714795350
>chain me big corpo, i am the resistance!

>>714784980
try harder jeet

>>714786251
Steam already does this for games that aren't sold but got bought by people
not an argument

>>714793026
All EU stuff is in all official languages.

>>714795507
Stop curtailing developer choice. You only hate video games.

>>714795667
walve is woke as well, just not super woke.

i'm still pissed over them genderswapping Legion Commander in Dota 2

>>714794292
it was your choice when you purchased it. Read the TOS next time

>>714795081
>"we'll revoke your right to enjoy the perpetual licence copy you purchased because of *hypothetical reasons*. Here's the new product"
>customer protection laws will deny that
>"Wtf are you talking about? You don't have rights you're a consumer!"

>>714795638
>not directed towards lawmakers
Hang on. You don't think lobbying is aimed only towards them right? Lobbyists also run public awareness campaigns to encourage or scare voters away from issues.

>>714795912
TOS does not supercede law
I can't add a line to my TOS that lets me walk into your house and steal your food. Even if you agree, that is illegal

>>714795898
Top of the Monster can.

>>714795167
>Look at TV.
>Sees that it requires an Internet connection and must connect to some companies servers to function
>Buy another TV that doesn't do that
That was easy

>>714795912
TOS is not enforceable as shown by the woman who died at Disney park after signing up for Disney+ which the TOS said Disney was not responsible for what happens at Disney Parks.

>>714795970
this is a letter that took 5 minutes for someone to write

>>714795912
EULA and TOS are not legally binding in the EU.

>>714796067
I forgot that lobbying requires at least 6 minutes to be official

>>714796038
you're an idiot

>>714796067
Irrelevant.

>>714796037
>buy game
>game no longer supported, cant ever play it again
>"just buy a new game, bro, its that simple"

>>714795532
>Valve hasnt ever said shit about what happens if they were to shut down
they actually did answer this over 15 years ago

>>714796170
>show evidence
>i-idiot....
holy buttfucked cuck

>>714796037
Or, alternatively, ban the practice because it scams consumers. I’ll take the latter, the answer to getting scammed shouldn’t be “Well don’t fall for it next time” it should be “Get that guy arrested”.

>>714794296
these two chromosome hoarders don't even look like Kusanagi and Batou

>>714796237
you lack basic logic reasoning facilties

>>714795586
Sure thing faggot, keep kvetching.

>>714796175
Calling that public statement "lobbying" is like calling Pirate Software a game developer

>>714785180
>>defenders eternally change goalposts and gaslight people into believing they can't criticize the movement because they don't know what it "actually" proposes
>this guy couldn't bothered to read three sentences and learn it for himself
>instead he's pretending the random people he talks to are the ones who have some sort of secret knowledge about it
ngmi

>>714795350
YOUR REVOLUTION IS OVER GOY

>>714796350
Bingo. You just did the thing in front of everyone. Congratulations.

>>714796293
I do? The person who can recognize the concept of precedent in law? Apply yourself.

>>714785510
good thing the published needs to cope with 0 players

Reminder there isnt a single actual person fighting against this on here and theyre solely people baiting for (You)'s or ragebaiting to drive support

>>714785606
this list makes me depressed

>>714796343
It doesn't matter if the statement itself is lobbying or not. The lobby group does lobbying and they don't publicize it.

>>714796405
>the terms of service didn't hold up in court in this particular case therefore they will never hold up in ANY case
are you a sovereign citizen too?

>>714784980
Damn, 6 trillion just to have peer to peer servers?

>>714796343
It meets the definition of lobbying. No amount of denial will change this.

>>714796485
>The lobby group
This isn't really a "lobby group"
These are the people who are going to be called upon to discuss this issue anyway seeing it's now passed a million signatures

if You truly cared about video games You would have pirated them and make sure that You seed favorite ones so that everyone else that wants them can get them

>>714796216
unironically

>>714795898
>pic
I would fuck Alyx in a heartbeat dont care if her hot ass is dei tbqh

>>714796037
it's cute you can't even comprehend a future where you get a absolute shit TV if you do that

it's like trying to buy a cellphone today where you can toggle the mic off with a switch

>>714795240
thats why they dont sell you 'digital goods'
they sell you pretend money with some legal mumbojumbo agreement that you own nothing and get no refunds ever and everything is just a temporary license that can be revoked at any time, and basically you are a sucker to fall for it
>spend 1000 bux on skins
>get banned
>cant sue cause it's small claims, out of jurisdiction >instantly dismissed lol

>>714796489
terms of service will never hold up in court when they are waving away your legal rights. That is the precedent it sets. Your understanding of this is irrelevant

>>714796553
>This isn't really a "lobby group"
This is easily the most blatant shill post in the entire thread.

>>714796441
if it makes you any happier, there are other people in the same boat as you

>>714796554
It’s the dev’s responsibility, not mine.
Piracy also does nothing to prevent games that rely on central servers to even function getting axed.

>>714796489
Nowhere on the planet are TOS legally binding to the point they supercede law.

>>714796682
>terms of service will never hold up in court when they are waving away your legal rights.
Yes, but they do hold up when they are legal

>>714796554
checked (the filename)

You WILL own something and you WILL be happy

>>714796705
actually I was wrong, it is a lobby group

>>714796023
>gibberish
your bot's ai is malfunctioning

>>714796745
Good job figuring out the whole point behind SKG. The argument is that legal rights of property are being violated.

>>714796745
Shame we’re about to change law then eh? So all of those TOS are about to be toilet paper.

>>714796745
yes, and it's not legal to revoke a purchase "for any reason or no reason at all" (to quote the Blizzard TOS)
it's also not legal to remote detonate my vibrator because DildoCo can't afford the DildoServer anymore

>>714792448
The only way for Putin to move any munition to that exclave is through the sea and it's heavily patrolled by Poles, Finns and Swedes.
Even if they managed to smuggle anything, last year Poland opened a missile defense complex like 100km away from Gdansk. Moldman is safe.

>>714796875
Are you fucking stupid
Do you even know what SKG is about?

Can a shill please explain to me why a single player game should ever rely on a central server to function, and how this is anything but inherently consumer hostile?

>>714795179
Only among their niche. And for every one that lands a sizeable number of whales, there are dozens that fail embarrassingly. If every game were to turn f2p micropay gatcha, customers would begin to look elsewhere.

>>714795240
>companies need to refund you if they ban you
yeah this would be a good consumer protection regulation
you can just mute shit-talkers, but then again what how do deal with cheaters and legit griefers who ruin games for everyone

>>714797119
I can think of a few ways that it can actually benefit a single player game but they haven't been done by any existing games, it just exists as a way for developers to make more money

>>714795167
That already happened when they switched from analog signal to digital.All analog devices became obsolete and everybody bought a newer one that is compatible with the digital signal.

So good job not making a point i guess.

>>714797119
if you aren't buying every product put in front of you it's basically tantamount to stealing food out of a CEOs savouring mouth

>>714795240
>I would probably be more behind this if it were about digital ownership and rights from companies fucking banning you with automated ban software and you having to fight tooth and nail against fucking pajeets to get unbanned.
>Make it so SAY WORD LOSE MONEY isnt an actual thing and companies need to fucking refund you if they falsely ban you

Anon. This is already the case in the EU.
The Digital Services Act makes it so they cannot just ban you without proper statement of reasons, which has to be complete enough and objective enough to hold up for being submitted as evidence in court. Moreover, any measures taken against you as a user have to be proportional to the actual violation of the terms of service.

They can ban you off of the chat for 'say word' -- but they cannot legally deny you the remainder of the service that would cause you to 'lose money' ...

>mortgage
:O

>car lease
:O

>vidya license
:|

>>714796932
nothing personnell kid
*moves through lithuania*

>>714797119
When you stop pirating we'll talk PCvegan

>>714797119
no you see we NEED to have 100 fucking services that the game has to connect to, it'd be unplayable otherwise! >>714785606

>>714797234
so if I finish paying for the vidya license I can resell my digital games because I own them? because that's how my house and car work

>>714785180
PSA: ATTENTION NEWFAGS
STOP REPLYING TO THIS CONTRARIAN ATTENTION FAG
HE HAS A SMALL COCK AND PAYS FOR 4CHAN PASS AND TINDER SINCE 2018
HIS CONTRIBUTIONS INCLUDE BAITING IN VIDYA THREADS RELENTLESSLY WITH TEXTS OF WALL BEFORE
HE IS AFRAID OF GETTING BANNED AND CANT EVEN SAY NIGGER
SAD

>>714792448
>If we make some shit up about WW3, we can casually give 2 billion to our buddies at the military industrial complex and nobody bats an eye
Grim

>>714784214
THe funny thing is that support for stop killing games comes from across the political spectrum.
leftoids and and rightoids both support it

>>714797307
If buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.

>>714797218
Furthermore, SKG regulations would INCREASE a bad-word-sayer's ability to play the game. They could still get banned from official servers, but they'd also still have the ability to run their own.
Funny how basic consumer rights protections can help basically everybody, huh?

>>714797201
I feel stupid just thinking about how stupid you must be to think that comparison somehow makes my scenario an acceptable future to live in.

>>714796995
Yes, that what the TOS currently does may be against law but is not explicitly, so we are going to get it made explicitly against consumer law.

>>714797471
You are mistaken on two fronts, schizo-kun.

1) I do not say "nigger" because it is immoral. Not because I am afraid of being banned.

And 2) I only paid for Tinder for ~2 months, until I got a gf. By the way we are marrying next year!

>>714785180
>>movement became gamergate 2.0 and is entirely fueled by e-celeb drama
Do aqua posters try to be retarded or does it come naturally?

>>714797508
>the thing that finally transcended 2 direction politics was vidya
>the only "people" against it are chatbots and AAA paid shills
holy based

Is there even any chance that something substantial changes from this?

>>714797508
I would like to believe most people who aren’t shareholders or CEOs are generally against being treated like shit by giant corporations.
Only the most braindead on either spectrum thinks this kind of regulation is le communist or le gamergate chuddism.

>>714797770
Yes. A lot of chuds are going to kill themselves once it fails.

>>714797201
>That already happened when they switched from analog signal to digital.
In the Netherlands all cable companies were legally required to ensure all their existing customers could continue to consume their TV services after switch-over. If they had customers only capable of analog TV reception, they were forced to (until the end of time) lease them a set-top box capable of connecting over SCART or basic composite cable to pipe digital TV into their old TV sets.

>>714797795
It's spite-motivated regulation, it doesn't really do any good or any bad, it just sets a terrible precedent for trying to use the political system to get back at people you hate rather than doing what's actually best for everyone

>>714797508
>SKG gets support from every part of the political spectrum
>piratesoftware gets shit on from every corner of the internet
Absolute cinema

>>714787860
Can targeted destruction really be called regression

>>714797770
if you stopped memeing that nothing ever happens like the defeatest retard tranny you are, maybe you would see things happen

>>714797947
>jewish government supporting my movement is a good thing
uh oh

> /v/: Stop Killing Games!!!
>> *Game /v/ doesn't like dies, the company dies, all the talented developers are fired and the fans of the game will never get more updates, or fixes or DLCs for the game they liked*
> /v/: HAHAHA THE GAME FUCKING DIED HAHAHA YOU DESERVE IT! GO W*KE GO BROKE! HAHA!!!!

>>714786972
This should be mandatory by law if you have an online component to your game. 99% of people will play official until it dies anyway because theyre sheep

>>714797947
Sounds like pirate software is /v/s guy then

>>714783832 (OP)
Not that much.
I honestly think the industry is a force of inertia and they don't really care. It's like IP law, they're only fighting it because it's there. Doom's source code has been public for 30 years and Bethesda still sells that shit and it's fine.

If everything industry doomers say about SKG comes to pass, it'll just be there for preservationists and enthusiasts who are so wholly divorced from the regular consumer it won't affect sales 0.01%

>>714797809
*shills and executives
Sorry, typo!

>>714797941
Corpos use the political system like a weapon against people they hate all the time and no one bats an eye

>>714798070
these things are not mutually exclusive. I think Concord failing is hilarious, but I also think people should be allowed to play that shit ass game if they want to

>>714798102
Thor was always /ourguy/

>>714797795
>Only the most braindead on either spectrum thinks this kind of regulation is le communist or le gamergate chuddism
1) It is, objectively, gamergate chuddism. It is literally entirely fueled by e-celebs that thrive off hatred. I don't see how you can deny this with any semblance of intellectual honesty. Like, if I supported your movement, I would still acknowledge the e-celebs are part of it, how can you possibly pretend this is not true?

2) It is the worst type of regulation. Developers should have the right to offer me a live service game e.g. WoW or Genshin Impact. And I should have the right to accept or refuse their offer. I don't need e-celebs and chuds saying "NOOOO IF ANON BUYS A MONTH OF WOW SUBSCRIPTION HE SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO PAY IT FOREVER"

>>714798092
>This should be mandatory by law if you have an online component to your game.
why? should I be entitled to 4chan server binaries if I pay for a pass?

>>714798013
>no wait jews actually want you to own things and be happy
Who do you think you're going to fool?

>>714798070
Correct!

>>714798151
>I'm in a war with video game companies, the people who make the things I like
This is exactly the type of stpid shit I'm talking about

>>714797234
>mortgage
A mortgage is a loan with the property provided as security.

>car lease
A car lease has a set expiration and renewel date.

>vidya license
Up fucking yours.

>>714795154
come on now, anon don't be so intellectually dishonest, you know it goes deeper than that

>>714797218
>our automated anticheat caught you doing naughty things
>service terminated
that the only statement you see
thats how it happens, blizzard bans thousands on a regular, including those who pay lots of money for subscription
and appealing and getting unbanned is quite a painful process cause its all automated not even sure if humans bother to review it

>>714798197
>retard still doesn't understand subscriptions vs purchases
you didn't buy 4chan, fuckface.

>>714798197
4chan is not a videogame and the pass is not something that is required to access 4chan. If 4chan were a videogame, then yes.

>>714793109
Aoko would support the initiative.

>>714783832 (OP)
I have no strong feelings one way or the other.
I just pirate my shit. Even if pirate sites lace malware into the copies, 9/10 I won't get fucked cuz barely anyone makes viruses for linux.

>>714798319
and you didn't buy the video game

>>714798256
The people who make things I like also have every incentive to abuse me as a consumer to gain more money from me, so yes. The conflict between consumer and producer is eternal, because the consumer wants it for free and the producer would like you to sign a slavery contract for it.

>>714798179
>le gaymergate is when le e-celebs

>>714797672
>1) I do not say "nigger" because [I'm a faggot]

And 2) I only paid for Tinder for ~2 months, until I got a [whore. By the way we are marrying next year!]
Fucking based, Aqua cuck!

>>714798328
why's it different for a video game?

>>714797770
Games have a new notification on the store page confirming that you are fucked and truly get no right when buying a game. Then a token, useless new heritage group that stores source code to prevent games from being lost forever but that code stays locked away for *current copyright law* numbers of years.

>>714798375
Based

>>714797941
It's consumer-rights-concerns motivated regulation over uses of actual anti-consumers practices that are dancing in a grey-area bordering on illegal practices.

>>714797268
Strolling through a NATO state would just violate Article 5. Aside from thatt, the shortest way on land would be Suwalki gap but it's filled with deep forests and muddy swamps, which are extremely shitty conditions to do anything.
If Putin wanted to take potshots at Poland or any other European nation he would just blast them using submarines or longer range rockets shot from the mainland Russia. There's no reason to arm Kaliningrad.

>>714798382
Until they change the verbage in all online stores to say "rent", yes I did.
You want to sell your game as a 10 year subscription and you can turn the servers off at the end? Fine. Now I can make an informed purchasing decision.
What's not ok is selling someone a perpetual license and then revoking it

>>714798429
Because a perpetual license is a product under EU law.

>>714798403
>The conflict between consumer and producer is eternal, because the consumer wants it for free and the producer would like you to sign a slavery contract for it.
Do you know what Jewish scheme this sounds like?

>>714796012
TOS precedes your buying decision. It's your fault you didn't read and purchased corporate slop and then get fucked over.
>>714796038
again, her fault. Read the TOS if you don't want to risk it.
>>714796130
doesn't matter. It's your responsibility as a consumer to be fully informed before making a purchase decision

>>714798375
why can’t PCvegans go five seconds without announcing to everyone that they pirate games? Even in a thread about a topic that has nothing to do with piracy.

>>714785180
>>714584694
>>714398521
Different filename every time... This is a more advanced operation than i thought. I think it might actually be paid shills with a set of images they are supposed to use.
>MFW the schizos shouting "Shill" and "Saar" were actually right

>>714798521
I didn't rent a 4chan pass
I bought one
So I'm entitled to be able to use 4chan forever, I should get the server binaries when my pass expires so I can host my own 4chan and post on it myself so I'm not denied by product that I BOUGHT and not rented, right?

>>714798598
>the SKG tourists do not know how 4chanx filename randomizer works
Jesus, how embarrassing.

And now one of them will call me a "falseflagger". It is all so tiresome and predictable.

>>714798586
>TOS precedes your buying decision
Actually TOS appears when you launch a game for the first time, after money has been spent but before you get access.
And that still doesn't let you add illegal things to TOS.

>>714797754
Not really. Even before that, there was
> through dick; unity

>>714798586
but if the EULA is non-binding then the person can just sue, and win
sooooo

>>714798536
No? People widely act in their own best interest and that conflict gives rise to norms. I would like you to give me everything for free. People that make things would adore if I gave them all of my money and servitude instead.

>People unironically siding with ubishit, EA, activison and other garbage studios
I really can't believe they are doing it for free

It scares me that this will go exactly like GG went with falseflaggers larping as movement leaders, insane autists with nothing holding them to this earth being brought in front of the movement just for cheap laughs and easy wins, e-celeb drama taken to the extreme piggybanking off actual good points and a big ball of regret in like 10 years over what it could have been. Its happened to OWS, it happened to GG it seems to go exactly the same for this too. Stop giving points to retarded contrarians wanting everything from the movement, stop pretending like the shit that they are pulling against that faggot Jason is nothing but grifting and shitting on a lolcow. What we should do is finding more about the people who will be there presenting the case, see if they are actually qualified, if not then either help them get the things they need or find someone better. We need better representation in front of this issue. The smug asshole who told us from the beginning "THESE WILL BE THE AVENUES ON WHICH THE COMPANIES WILL ATTACK" can be refuted with "NO U" but the lobby companies will not be refuted with that. We have had the same arguments against the movement from the beginning and we still don't have any concrete lawyer protection or arguments against it to this day. The grifters making videos about how "we made them scared" are just there to get ad revenue. If the big conglomerate will STILL use the same arguments Jason used that means that these arguments are stronger than we give them credit. This is not the situation in which to say "its an easy win because we refuted them already"

>>714798704
See if you can guess
It starts with C

>>714798717
/v/ loves gacha btw

>>714784214
fpbp

>>714797941
>it just sets a terrible precedent for trying to use the political system to get back at people you hate rather than doing what's actually best for everyone
I think you just described the DMCA

>>714798586
It should be the companies responsibility to not put retarded shit in the TOS.
Also by replying to this post you give your consent that your posts will from this point on belong to me, and I reserve full financial rights to any (You)s you give me.

>>714798667
why would i ever use 4chanx? the site is fine as is.

>>714798776
You realize this also shits on gacha as well?

>>714798682
you can easily look up the TOS before purchasing. The problem is that you're impatient and can't take responsibility for your actions. Then you want the government to clean up your mess

>>714798717
Stop pretending this will harm AAA companies. They can easily pay off whatever they need to keep the game going after end of service. This will only destroy indie developers that can't even pay their own bills, and now need to keep supporting games or face arrest.

>>714784214
I don't want government regulation, but if it's the only way they will stop it, then government regulation it is.
The government is like a gun, imperfect solution, messy and with horrible consequences, but needed in a imperfect world.

If a thief gets in my house, i don't want to shoot him, but i will need to if he does not back off.

>>714798792
What businesses do is motivated by greed, not hate

>>714798637
since you are being a pedantic little bitch I will put you in your place

The 4chan Pass explicitly states that it gives you 30 days of posting benefits. It is a timed product which can also be called a subscription. You didn't buy the pass with the understanding it would last forever because the terms of the purchase are clearly stated
If video games are held to this same standard, SKG succeeded

>>714798691
Leftists hate appealing to straight men though

>>714798754
Man I don’t care what you beat off to, but I wouldn’t call this particularly loli-core.

>>714798776
I enjoy the fanart.

>>714798851
Proof?

>>714798864
>This will only destroy indie developers that can't even pay their own bills,
No, not all those indie MMOs!!!!

>>714783832 (OP)
having to release anything to the proles is bad enough, but what if they accidentally make a game that's widely liked and lil timmy just keeps fucking playing overwatch for the next ten years instead of jumping to a new live service slop every year?

>>714798842
Of course it is, tourist. Do NOT use 4chanx. You would eventually start a petition to force 4chanx to pay $100000 to everyone or something. Bunch of retarded freeloaders.

>>714798887
>If video games are held to this same standard, SKG succeeded
IF all SKG wanted was to provide an explicit timeframe for your purchase, I would have no problem with it, that would be reasonable. But no, SKG just wants it to be illegal all together

>>714798179
Please take your faux-intellectual smoothbrain self that is incapable of conceptualizing the principle of 'death of the author' and shove yourself where the sun don't shine. Thank you.

I love how this guy >>714798598 just proved that the people who support SKQ are tourist trannies, and the other tourists are just pretending this did not happen

If digits, Ross wins.

>>714798957
You are very obviously a newfag or shill. even on /v/ nobody is retarded enough to fall for this.

>>714799028
source?

>>714799028
no it doesn't. If you weren't so illiterate and made it through the 8th grade tier slideshow, you would see that subscription models without up front purchases are exempt.

>>714786251
Legitimately downloaded a game from steam that died 8 years ago to play it on a private server. You're telling me Ubisoft/EA/etc, can't afford to host the server tools in perpetuity, when they already host the DL files?

>>714798586
And companies are to abide to local market laws and consumer rights over digital goods purchases.

>>714798898
It's communism, and it's class warfare
You think you're part of a consumer class at war with a producing class
Cooperation works better than conflict, and you idiots think conflict with the people who make the things you like is a good idea

Pakistan is better than India

>>714784980
>>Game has a development budget of $10 million
Well there's your problem

>>714798957
>>714799047
>Hes posting off cooldown

>>714799126
>subscription models without up front purchases are exempt.
What if I just pay once?

I was here when aquafag BTFOd the SKG chills

>>714799167
Well what else would you call it when two groups would be better off with very different states of reality? Motivated by pure self-interest, of course a corporation has different wants than a consumer. I myself would love a world where a welfare state pays me for existing and blasting loads all day, but no state wants to go bankrupt off of my ejaculatory lifestyle. I don’t think acknowledgement of reality mean that communism is nigh either.

>>714799167
>just roll over and take the assfucking like a good little bitch
>NOOO don't report me to the authorities don't you know that we work better when I'm assfucking you??
Kek, shills are using domestic abuser tactics now kek

>>714799235
then you bought a perpetual license and they are required to keep it usable
if you are subscribing to a service temporarily then it is inherently understood your access will end at some point.

that's it. that's the distinction.

>>714799430
Most consumers are not assholes who want everything for free, they actually think it's fair to pay for things
And most people who make the things you like do not want to exploit you either

no one but a chronic shitposter uses the filename randomizer

>>714799476
>then you bought a perpetual license
Why can't I make a one-off payment that isn't a perpetual license?

>>714784214
>>714784214
>hey maybe stop trying to place regulations on what food processing companies put in our food....
yeah you're a retard.

>>714799167
>conflict with the people who make the things you like
oh yeah I forgot that Yidsney Star Wars is my favorite so I cannot complain when they forcefully delete the films from my hard drive

>>714799535
I use it because I am too lazy to rename my screenshots

>>714798429
Because money changes hands in exchange for a product? Do you really not know this?

>>714799476
What if I didn't buy the game but bought things in the game

>>714799535
You have no idea what you are talking about newfag. Lurk for 2 more decades before posting.

>>714799527
All consumers are assholes that would love it if everything was free. Everybody that makes things would love to microchip me and put me to work in the product mines. Individual differences die in group dynamic, and not acknowledging this is naive at best.

>>714798731
the major thing in GG that allowed people to larp as leaders was that there never was a clear defined leader in the first place, while SKG is very clearly being led by Ross

>>714799563
What do you mean, like a one time purchase that has a set end date?
sure you can do that, but the sale needs to explicitly state when your access begins and ends. they can't just decide it's over at any point in the future

>>714799631
same with my 4chan pass

>>714799672
Glory be to VIDYA and his prophet, Ross.

>>714799668
>All consumers are assholes that would love it if everything was free
No, most people aren't as selfish as you

this is what the shills are defending btw

>>714799702
That isn’t a product, that’s a service you are subscribing to.

>>714799167
if anyone is a communist here, it's you, since you are so against people being able to own what you buy (customers owning what they buy is a core of capitalism).In fact game as a service is only one step removed from communism.
Not to mention if you haven't noticed these corporations are everything you are accusing the movement of being.

>>714799698
>sure you can do that, but the sale needs to explicitly state when your access begins and ends
He doesn't say you can do that though
He says you have to provide an end-of-life plan

>>714799696
>SKG is very clearly being led by Ross
And he wants to stop being the leader

>>714797672
>>714798428
so aquaniggers are the anti normalnigger newnigger pieces of shit pushing this anti movment? normalnigger fucking immigrant. get the fuck out newnigger normalnigger unvirgin swine

>>714799776
so is the game I bought

>>714799642
if you are "buying" items in a game that you know your access will end for (because of a subscription) then that's on the customer.
If you download a free to play game and spend money on permanent account items, they need to be accessible in some form, which just means community servers when the publisher moves on

>>714799696
No it isn't led by Ross. Thats what he has been telling us for the past year. He is just a spokesperson on the internet. Where it matters most will be led by some fucking randoms that we know nothing about.

>>714799745
All people are as selfish as me or worse. Given the opportunity for a life of leisure and beautiful babes, all but the mist work-broken will abandon their “social responsibilities” as long as they and theirs are taken care of.

Why does /v/ cares about video games now?

>>714797672
Who are you kidding? We all know you are a failed normalfag fishing for attention in the worst way possible. Contrarianism. At least actual shitposters have fun by funposting along with other posters but you are straight up seeking discord and hate. Like, what are you even doing here? You clearly hate us otherwise you wouldn't act the way you do. No amount of bad faith posting will harm anyone here. At least post some quality stuff instead. Even your OCs are shitty edits like that picture or photoshop fake info to bait. Or could it be you think you are a successful troll or something? That delusional? I know men can believe even their own lies. Guess you are one of those so wrapped in their own shit will never see the light ever. Sad.
Or you just get off to being made fun of.

>>714799702
subscriptions are purchasing access to a thing for a known pre-determined length of time that you need to continually pay for to keep that access for longer

>>714799875
Sounds retarded. I hope this doesn't pass.

>>714799853
No, that’s defined as a product under EU law.

>>714799802
the end of life plan would include saying when access ends. that is a plan.
what's not an EOL plan is telling someone at a random point in the future that their purchase is no longer valid

>>714799885
>All people are as selfish as me or worse
This has actually been proven wrong by market research, you're just an edgy idiot

>>714799702
4chan is not a good. 4chan pass regulates access to a service and is not compulsive to use 4chan. It is something you pay voluntarily to speed up your posting. The laws and regulations that apply to this are completely different. Do you understand this?

Videogames and software are not services.

They only cross that threshold if they require subscription payments upon which the access to the service is predicated. The corporate spook-speech in every EULA about "you buying an access to a service" is a flat out lie.

You are buying access to a license. A license that you can resell and a license that grants you a perpetual access. Because videogames are goods, not services.

>>714799774
Now let's see Ubisoft take this to Court in the EU.

>>714800020
>market research
“Top ten ways why you actually enjoy triple overtime and housing prices doubling every second”

>>714784214
4/10 bait. Calling the name of that demon surely riles people up.
>>714784980
1/10 bait. Didn't even try. Pity point for getting here early.
>>714785180
6/10 bait. Itemized lists are kinda overrated, but they do have an impact. Props on pushing anti-Aqua propaganda.

>>714799879
whether he wants to be or not, he effectively is the leader by being the main face of it

>>714799028
You probably can negotiate with SKG and reach a reasonable conclusion.
However, the discussion has to be made, and the goal is the goal.

>>714799998
Yes, it also includes making the game playable, which is the unreasonable part
Companies should be allowed to sell something that only works for a specified period of time, so long as that time is given at the point of sale

>>714799986
amazing counter point thank you Sanjeet

>>714799957
I pity you if you think these shill threads are your concept of having fun on 4chan

>>714800126
Thanks!

>>714800085
People will chose to buy something instead of pirating it because it's legal and they think it's fair
This is not conjecture, it's backed up by real data

>>714800102
>You probably can negotiate with SKG and reach a reasonable conclusion.
If that were the case then he wouldn't waste his time on "end of life" plans

>>714800118
Again, it literally says there would be exemptions depending on how it's sold. Pure subscription services are not affected, just like when Netflix shuts down they don't need to provide all those movies.
If you make a one time purchase up front, or one time purchases for in game items, then those purchases need to be upheld

>>714800118
>Companies should be allowed to sell something that only works for a specified period of time, so long as that time is given at the point of sale
...which is one of the things wanted from this,them actually giving a defined end date

>>714800226
And if we remove legal barriers, they wouldn’t. At base, we are all creatures of self interest first and foremost. You see this in every state action, every shareholder meeting, every riot. Conflict is inevitable, cooperation is only sustainable as long as nobody has a clear advantage.

>>714800319
He wants a defined end date and an EOL plan that gives the player the means to keep playing it
The first one is reasonable, the second one isn't

>>714800396
>>714800285

>>714800190
>he says, posting in every single SKG thread, within the first few minutes they are posted without fail.
I desperately hope youre an indian being paid to do this, because if not youd be more pathetic than im willing to think is possible.

Guys I need some help. A wanker made a thread to insult the movement and I am struggling coming up with new material. Link: >>714798842

>>714800389
Why do you think people obey the law when they can't get caught?

>>714800428
Are you following the conversation? The point is he doesn't allow for a one time purchase of a game that then shuts down at some point

>>714800396
explain what's unreasonable about shit like forcing them into removing always-online drm when they plan to stop supporting the game

anyone that is against this movement is basically a communist since they are so against ownership.

>>714800487
Because the law exists in their mind and they have been made risk-averse to it. If the law did not exist, no such barrier would exist either. Law is this compromise state you envision, where a third party actor (the state) is benefit by the chance to draw value through punishment from parties that violate the accord.

>>714800597
You're making a certain business model illegal just because you don't like it
If they game says "You are guaranteed a year of play, after that we might shut this game down" then you can choose not to buy it if you don't like it

>>714800558
that's right. So the way around this would be publishers explicitly stating that your game license only lasts 10 years for example, instead of perpetual.
This still allows people to make an informed purchase decision. These are the kinds of details that need to be washed out by lawmakers but are not inherently good or bad things

>>714800558
Yes he does, as long as it is stated to be an explicit service that has an explicit end date.

>>714800259
How absolutely bad is "offer all the relevant server game files?"
Not "keep the servers alive forever", nor "make a lan version of the game", just literally "get the files in the server and put it for download"?

>>714800653
I'm talking about a scenario where there is no risk
People choose to buy things because they think it's fair

>>714799957
>>714800190
>>714797672
i haven't seen this uncanny falseflag posting between shills and other shills since the vax days. it's getting pretty cozy in here

>>714800792
That there is a law against it means there is risk intrinsically, and fear of the state motivates that decision.

>>714800190
Still bad faith, huh?
1. Even though SKG threads are not meant for fun they have been pretty fun so far due to the funny memes so far, and that's not what fun posting means.
2. We are not getting paid for this, so we are not shills but you already know that. Both sides post for free so far including you. You are not unique, we had several trolls far more annoying than you so far spamming god awful stuff. But you are the saddest for being a low power level pass fag who is afraid of bans and will never go full power.
>>714800447
No, he is just obsessed with baiting in 4chan with his stupid pass for some reason. Never funposts, genuinely posts, proper OC. Just contrarianism relentlessly. But mentally ill lol cows like that can't help themselves. Many such cases through history of 4chan.

>>714800754
If that were the case then he wouldn't be outlining EOL plans would he? He wants games to be around forever, to be preserved, that's the whole fucking point

>>714800858
I thought avatarfagging was against the rules
are you a janny with special privileges?

>>714800849
>and fear of the state motivates that decision.
No, it's mostly because they think it's fair

>>714800814
be wary of leto

>>714800884
If they sold it without an explicit end date turning it into a service, then yes, it would need to have an EoL plan.

>>714800884
he literally says the law distinguishes these things by how they are sold. whether he wants games forever or not is irrelevant to the actual motion being put forward

>>714800924
Hey, what's wrong? Changing subjects constantly? Are you just not going to face me? Is honesty too scary lil' gremlin?

>>714800971
Their idea of fairness comes from the material conditions the decision is made in. If there was no law, they would likely take the free thing. If

This is the opportunity to erase the grey areas about games as products and games as services.
>games as products are one-time purchasable Perpetual licensed copy owned by the buyer for personal use as digital goods that are expected to be usable indefinitely, such as the majority of currently buyable games in the market today that can be played online, locally or offline.
>games as services do not require one-time purchase to a copy of the game and instead offers, for example, a purchasable and renewable subscription that grants a leased access to a set period of time to the game.

I still haven't bothered to even look up what this whole stop killing games shit is because I don't remotely care about e-celeb drama. I'm only entering this thread to say that I wish you fuckers would stop spamming the catalog with it every day.

>>714801125
The idea of fairness comes from peoples sense of what is fair. People correlate fairness with legality, but they aren't the same thing

The major corporations that run gaming will pay any sum to kill this initiative. Any lobbyist, any bribe, any campaign at any cost.
>b-b-but Apple!
AAA gaming combined makes way more money off stupid mongs than Apple ever will and they will all be firing in unison to destroy anything that threatens their dictatorship. If this gets through it will be a direct stab at a surprisingly good milking method and no company under the sun will want that to see damaged.

I have gotten my whole family to sign and hope someone of reason in the EU will see through the shit and make a positive change for the consumer with all my heart. I have faith it can be done but it'll be an uphill battle.

>>714801009
Nobody would choose the EoL plan option. They'd just choose the explicit end date option. No games would be preserved, the wording in the ToS would just change

>>714801119
The person you replied to wasn't me, schizo-kun

I have nothing else to say to you other than you are taking this way too seriously. You should chill a bit. I said "chill", not "shill", mind you.

>>714801220
>he doesn't know you can hide threads

>>714801267
>The major corporations that run gaming will pay any sum to kill this initiative. Any lobbyist, any bribe, any campaign at any cost.
Why? It's not like this would cost anyone any money

>>714801335
ok and now I can make an informed purchase decision
thanks

>>714801335
And their sales would tank because nobody wants to buy a limited game. Still, this is a preferable situation than our current one, where they get all the benefits of selling you both a good and a service and the consequences of neither model.

>>714801521
That's not the point of this campaign. The point of the campaign is to "stop killing games", not to help you make informed purchase decisions

>>714801560
>And their sales would tank because nobody wants to buy a limited game
Nobody gives a shit
People buy live service games as-is

>>714801468
It would. How can Actiblizzard kill Overwatch 1, then sustain Overwatch 2 with half the promised features gone, more agressive MTX, if half the playerbase will just keep playing Overwatch 1?

>>714801656
People buy a game, they don’t assume it’s going to be dead in two years time. This will also have catastrophic effects on lifetime sales.

>>714796216
No, you missed the point
>See game has shitty practices
>Do not buy it
Miss me with that gay shit. You won't move the goal post on me nigger

>>714801689
They can patch Overwatch 1 and make it suck so that people will want to switch to Overwatch 2

>>714801857
Those shitty practices are so profitable as to become ubiquitous. Vote with your wallet doesn’t work.

>>714796664
>Implying always online multiplayer server based slop games are the pinnacle of video games
You deserve this

>>714801724
>This will also have catastrophic effects on lifetime sales.
No it won't
People don't CARE
Live service games exist with pointless online features and people still buy them

>>714801857
Free market doesn't work. It's why the FDA exists.

>>714801908
Which will absolutely net them fines because they are clearly acting maliciously.
>>714801963
Alright, well I’m going to get the law changed anyway, so I guess we’ll see?

>>714801957
>Vote with your wallet doesn’t work.
Works for me. I just don't buy that slop. Sorry you are a brainless consumer who cannot control your purchasing practices

>>714797523
Great then you acknowledge that you don't own games. I'm glad we can agree on that.

>>714801689
That's Actiblizzard's problem.
Most of their customers bought a 60$ product with indefinite duration at release.

>>714798412
>>714799034
>>714799672
>>714799774
You lost stupid gamergater SKGtrannies. The industry won.

>>714802130
Of course it is, but right now they're making it the customer's problem, and I'm guessing they'd lile to continue doing that because it nets the more money.

>>714800316
The Crew 2 added a singleplayer option shortly after the start of this initiative.

>>714801335
>all games are going to be come sub fee games now
Nah. They bent the knee for much costlier prospects, they will bend the knee for this.

>>714802063
No there's no fines for patching your game to make it into something the players dont like

>>714802382
I fucking wish. Could sue the shit out of Bamco for their T8 patch

>>714798313
Fun fact: the DSA outlaws fully automated bans or appeals procedures too.
Decisions to take measures against a user as well as review of appeals are legally required to be taken by humans. In fact - by qualified, well-trained, personnel. So forget about companies being able to outsource to low-tier Indian call centers in the future.

Of course, enforcement of the thing is still in its infancy. But I expect in particular US corporations who were big about automating away their customer support are going to be hit hard by this.

>>714802351
If game publishers are given the choice to provide an EoL plan for the game or to provide a minimum service period, they will pick the minimum service peroid every single time
Literally nothing will change, except now you can play your shitty live service game for a year minimum before it disappears

>>714801562
damn nigger you can't read more than 3 words? Live your life just off the headlines too probably

>>714802506
If Ross just wanted clearer contract terms then the initiative wouldnt be called Stop Killing Games and it wouldn't have detailed EoL plans because nobody would ever choose this option

>>714802480
oh shit, we'll be able to get to actual fucking humans again?

>>714800704
It would be all well and good if games actually said that, but none of them do.

>>714802063
>Which will absolutely net them fines because they are clearly acting maliciously.
And rug-pulling paying customers out of their products to force in the sequel isnt malicious? There's ground for debate.

>>714802092
And when a game series you like bends to the pressure of profit?
>well I’ll drop it
And the next one, and the next one, and the next one, until you have nothing to play and the industry is incapable of making anything you like ever again.

>>714802382
There are when clearly and obviously done with malicious intent. If every tesla pushed a patch that mulches the engine and locks power output to 10% of all old models, they’ll get fucked for it.
>>714802835
That’s the debate we’re having right now in fact.