>NOOOOO THINK OF THE INDIES
Name 5 always online live service indie games

I don't give a single fuck about your e-celeb drama.

>>714856824
Stop killing games

>>714856824
I accept your concession

It's funny because if anything indies are the ones more likely to do the right thing with multiplayer to begin with.

It's almost like this live service shit is only done by big devs because they're the ones that can afford to run servers themselves.

>>714856824
Holy based.

>>714856824
>fighting for your rights is e-celeb drama
>someone spearheading an anti-corporation movement is e-celeb drama
peak mental illness
kys

>>714857015
yeah but you can't gather so much data to sell to marketing teams if they don't connect directly to your servers, they might even block the telemetry in their firewall!

proofs for imagerel?

Everything Figtree worked on

>>714857204
Do your own research

>>714857669
you make the claim, you have the burden of proof, caustation is not correlation ad hoomin etc. etc.

or you know
>I'm lying out my ass
alright

>>714857746
Or you could just google the image
Or search for its md5
Or fucking anything
>spoonfeeding retards
I'd actually prefer of you simply remained ignorant

>>714857835
>I'm shitting out my mouth
liar liar pants on fire!

>>714857204
Seeing Ubisoft there is funny. IT'S YOUR FAULT THIS IS HAPPENING TO BEGIN WITH.

>>714856824
How's that boot taste?

>>714857173
Correct, here in the loony troony 4channy we adore
>Corporate boots (Awoooga daddy stomp on me!!)
>Big gacha live service (I-is that COOMIES FOR LIL TROONY???? OINK!!!)
>Live service for goon sesh (The girlies gooning together? Sissy LIKEEEEY!!!)

Hope that clears it up, chudster, keep it loony, keep it troony, keep it 4chan.

>>714857557
So nothing?

>>714856776 (OP)
What kind of idiot would make their bing bing wahoo clone about being depressed online only anyway?

>>714856776 (OP)
It's nonsensical, their arguments are baseless and just made up so you start questioning yourself about your decisions. If some corporate bootlick goes as far as to do that, you are probably doing the right thing.

Does Fatshark count as Indie? Though even if they do, all they show is why online only is a shit idea in the first place.

>>714857204
Valve are definitely faggots in their own way but they are easily the AAA company most adjusted to the idea of having to provide server tools so this doesn't surprise me.

>>714857204
>does nothing
>wins

>>714857204
Because you can always make an offline patch to the live-service games, and release alongside that one a dedicated server utility/launcher. Gaben/Steam knows this. Hell, you can play most games in offline mode to begin with.

If i was EU, i would make this SKG a law, apply it retroactively, and then sue and prosecute all of those shits for billions, establish a small agency that oversees electronic entertainment, and then reimburse players who were affected by shitty corporate bullshit (like giving refunds for games that no longer work), and then direct agency to make those games work or delegate it to GOG or a good company to do the developer work necessary. Man, the salt from corpies would be infinite. Atleast we can play some BF2142 then and UT2004. Maybe even Riddick's games would become available.

>>714858209
>What kind of idiot would make their bing bing wahoo clone about being depressed online only anyway?
him
best regards sent from mana gem

>Stop killing games.
>Actually, some games are worth not killing over others.
Really going Animal Farm here and showing your true colors, huh?

>>714858034
LEL! True!

>>714858728
What are you talking about Jeet?

>>714856776 (OP)
indies don't do that kind of thing, it's a AAA corposlop phenomenon

>>714858864
How would he know, he just copy pasted what grok said.

>>714856776 (OP)
amogus?

>>714856776 (OP)
Axie Infinity, Ember Sword, Spider Tank, CyberTitans, Star Atlas

>>714858404
You’re never getting that offline mode for Darktide despite the game already having bots available.

>>714858034
Ross wanted this for a long time. Ubisoft just gave him the opportunity.

>>714856824
>he says, wasting time on solving captcha instead of hiding the thread
interesting

>>714858407
Valve actually realise that the pro-customer option can actually be more profitable for you as a business, sometimes. Whereas publicly traded companies will do everything they can to fuck over the "consumer" at every turn because they only see "consumers" as infinite money pits for them to pull from.
At the end of a day, Valve is still a business which wants to make money, but they're not idiots... usually.

>>714856776 (OP)
I like how this is the least intimidating person imaginable, and yet their are 'men' that wake up in the middle of the night in cold sweat afraid of him and SKG... and gamers

>>714857204
>proofs for imagerel?
Are you serious? Has this website been replaced with @grok confirm sir xitterjeets? You can't look up a simple phrase like "video games europe group membership"?
Learned helplessness niggers.
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-membership/

>>714859416
He has mastered the mold and has an army of gaymer assassins at his mere command.

>>714859184
Valve is privately owned and its owner is concerned with long term sustainability.

Publicly traded coompanies only care to give as much money as possible as quickly as possible to their shareholders. Doesn't matter if this kills the company, the leeches who call themselves "investors" will just move on to another company.

>>714859530
Their board is even more comically evil.
https://www.videogameseurope.eu/about/our-board/
>Warner Brothers
>Roblox
>Epic Games
>EA
>Activision
>Microsoft
>Nintendo
>Sony
>Ubisot
>T2
>Squeenix
>Bamco
>Level Infinite (PUBG, Honor of Kings and gachaslop)

>>714859813
>>Epic Games
But Tim promised he was doing everything for the benefit of gamers. He wouldn't lie, would he?

>>714859171
A corpo shill like that, you know he has a 4chan Pass.

>>714859813
>>714859530
LT4s look at this and basedjak in happiness.

>>714858465
>retroactive law
We might have found the biggest retard here.

>>714859857
>he was doing everything for the benefit of developers
ftfy, he never gave a shit about customers, he said that developers decide where people are buying games not customers/consumers

>>714856776 (OP)

>>714859924
>LT4s
Who?

>>714860051
loony troony 4channers, coolest and latest sharty slang, if you don't know you are an LT4.

>>714860093
Sharty lingo is getting more retarded by the day, you should have stopped at truth nuke and vrill some years ago.

>>714860002
No anon, you are the biggest retard. Retroactive law allows punishment of those who benefited from violation/exploitation, and get to keep their gains with no repercussions/consequences. Basically, it prohibits the "fuck you, got mine" bullshit.
And the only reason you say that i am retarded is that you are living by "fuck you, got mine" creed.

>>714860093
yeah I am thinking based

>>714860147
LT4 malding at a fat truke lmao

>>714856776 (OP)
They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>714860295
You keep reposting this quote but there are no results other than your past posts. Where is it from?

>>714859813
LMAO! This is a list with some of the shittiest videogame publishers on the planet. Impressive!

>>714857204
>This rapist isn't as bad because he kissed me after shoving it in

It's fucking scary seeing how fast the industry is altering the narrative. We're seeing a lot more SKG = Gamergate as we inch closer to the deadline at the end of the month. We got to be fucking careful and not fall for their tricks.

>>714860402
For me, it's killing American McGee's Alice 3. Fuck EA.

>>714860415
This is exactly like gamergate except for the goals targets and methods!

>>714860571
Anything that opposes world wide jewry is gamergate.

>>714860263
>malding
Nah, that's Mr. Jason Hall

>>714856824
Ross consciously left the PirateSoftware situation alone after a day to avoid the campaign turninginto a drama cesspool.
Likewise, PirateSoftware did the same aswell, even if he went out kicking and screaming like a little faggot to the bitter end. At least he's shut up about it now (we hope).

>>714860415
Can someone email GabeN and ask him to slap Chet Faliszek in the back of the head? I think the man is broken, he's stuck on a loop.

>>714857204
They're not in the ESA either. Valve must want to remain true neutral. I don't think it's out of kindness, but its been one of the companies best features.

>>714860749
Faliszek left Valve eight years ago

>>714860894
What the fuck does he do now? I'm not seeing any mention of what he's been doing after Valve.

>>714860973
He's still very respected in leftist circles such as bluesky.

>>714860415
As far as I know it's just Chet whose god this retarded take but maybe I'll be surprised. I would have thought most anti-gamergate fags inherently realise they're actually giving gamergate credit by likening it to a clearly pro-consumer endeavour.

>>714858407
>>714858465
It's heresy but fwiw Chet Faliszak, former Valve, is heavily anti-SKG. He said that people he knew in Valve were all against it too, and that they all agreed it wasn't going to succeed or go anywhere.

But then again he's a retard. Maybe former colleagues were just like nodding and agreeing with him to keep his argumentative personality at bay

>>714859813
Why is their chair an executive from WARNER BROTHERS?
What the fuck do they have to do with gaming other than murdering Rocksteady and doing nothing with the Middle-Earth IP?

>>714859007
>SKG will kill nft p2e Ponzi schemes
Wtf, where do I sign?

>>714857204
@anon, is that picture true?

>>714861029
He does sound like the kind of guy who goes on schizo rants which makes everyone umconfortable

4chan is the only place I know of where people accidentally trick their brains into supporting evil because they were baiting for too long.
Some of you niggas just brainwash yourselves.

>>714861196
See >>714858130

>>714861029
It's weird because you can self host servers for Counter Strike or Dota right now, it isn't like Valve is antithetical to the principle for their games. And there's the mythical statement that "they're working on a way to validate/authenticate games even if Steam stops being supported", which even if it's still only a vague statement from GabeN, they're still acknowledging the issue which is ahead of basically the whole competition. The only reason I could think for Valve employees to oppose SKG is if they still have a libertarian company culture and are ideologically opposed to all regulation and such.

>>714861095
The issue is complex and multifaceted. While it is true the companies in the upper part of the image belong to a lobbying group called "Video games Europe" which has put out a statement against the "Stop killing games" movement, this does not automatically necessitate Valves or Gabe Newells approval of the movement as the image would suggest.

>>714860415
He's been calling SKG a "gamergate" movement since the launch of it, so it's probably not a coordinated thing. You can't talk to Chet anyway. He's an alcoholic who rants about politics on bluesky all day and his brain is gone.

>>714861312
>He's an alcoholic who rants about politics on bluesky all day and his brain is gone.
Now the dude being stuck in a loop makes sense.

>>714860973
He made an indie studio and a L4D clone noone plays

>>714856776 (OP)
indies?
like project nortubel?

>>714861407
honestly one of the worst games I've played in recent memory btw, tried it when it was free. I often play the contrarian game with games everyone is clowning on and give them a fair shot, like concord was a B- shooter IMO

anacrusis just fucking blows.

>>714856824
FPBP

>>714861095
Lord Gaben has turned his back against the cause. Our tribe will require a blood price to be paid for this terrible insult.

>>714860404
>Getting kisses during rape
So jelly... I just get bitten and spanked even when I apologize...

>>714860693
>Likewise, PirateSoftware did the same aswell
Yes, but no. He still keeps talking about how 'SKG people' are harassing him. Most recently saying he got swatted twice within a week over it.

>>714859416
He said Jason wasn't being very gentlemanly anon, that's some ptsd shit right there.

>>714860693
>PirateSoftware did the same aswell
He's been crying about it daily.
He's currently crying about it on stream.

>>714861407
>>714861459
This is the first time I've even heard of this game, what Sims 4 expansion is this?

>>714857204
idk why people champion this when Steam's entire business strategy is the users owning nothing and every game you have is essentially just a license that gets cancelled when your account gets shut down
sure Valve makes their games playable when offline but the thing that makes them money is literally something the ppl behind SKG want to combat, which is the players not actually owning products

>>714860415
It'll only get worse before it gets better

>>714860010
kek

>>714856776 (OP)
It should be even easier for an indie game to comply with what is wanted as there will be much less bloat to sift through.

>>714860415
this is mostly just chet screaming into the void btw, I think anyone who's looking at the issue in good faith and not doing something like looking for a reason to disavow the movement because people were just a little too mean to piratesoftware will look at this and go "what is chet even on about"

idk why he's so weird about this in particular but he comes off as having an ego and a half which i guess isn't too surprising when you're a former writer for portal and left 4 dead

>>714861570
>a license that gets cancelled when your account gets shut down
I've seen accounts flood a game's Steam forum with CP, then you check their account and they're only community banned for a few decades. They'll still let you download and validate games you've bought.
I can't imagine what sort of behavior would get you BANNED banned from Steam.

>>714861509
That's all an animefag like you deserves

>>714857173
He's right though, no one here actually cares about "killing games". You all just want some eceleb, culture war drama to clutch your pearls at. This will be over in a month then you'll move on back to complaining about a brown woman being in your game or whatever new topic your favourite streamer decides to make a video about that week.

>>714861570
You're at the same time implying that Valve isn't affected by this because they are already providing ways to play their games past "EOL", but are also going to be destroyed financially by this because their business strategy depends on games being bricked at EOL.
Retarded.

>>714860415
Chet is actual schizo shit

>Hates SKG
>Made a tiktok about SKG is "1+1=3" and repeats this as if its an argument
>Releases new update for his game The Anacrusis
>It's 100% community made, after giving them the source code
>I point out how it's a bit ironic, considering that's exactly the sorta thing that SKG is asking for
>replies - he doesnt understand how its ironic

What is wrong with chet?

>>714861243
>>714861292
Valve is publicly neutral on things like this, but action-wise they are for causing as little friction for their peers in the industry as possible. They don't want to take any public actions that would displease Ubisoft, Microsoft, etc. They want to make friends with these people, not competitors or rivals.

I'm sure they'd love for you to think that silence means they support their users and SKG, but they would probably be against it if forced to be public about it.

Only thing I can think of is when people asked Gabe if Valve was pro/anti Net Neutrality and he said he didn't think he needed to say because people should assume Valve is against it

>>714856824
>>714861716
I signed it last august before any "e-celeb" drama

>>714861716
>He's right though, no one here actually cares about "killing games".
I signed the petition on its first week within the first 10k. Lower your tone in my presence.

>>714861716
Based gaslighter putting in the work

>>714861562
Those designs were supposed to compare to the L4D casts?
It even looks like it's trying for an art style somewhere between Starfield and Concord.
Is he trying to avoid selling anything?

>>714856776 (OP)
Tom & Jerry
PUBG
PUBG 2
PUBG Mobile
PUBG Consoles
Animaniacs

>>714861716
>no one here actually cares about "killing games".
I am. I want them to die so they can live.

>>714860693
>piratesoftware did the same
Fuck off revisionist. He made video after video, misrepresentating the initiative and malding about it constantly. He even banned Ross from his stream for saying that PS got stuff wrong, and that he'd like to discuss about it.

>>714861773
>What is wrong with chet?
Alcoholism.

>>714861773
>>714861882

Genuine schizo shit

>>714861850
>pubg
>indie
>several publishers

I HAVE TO MOLD THE MOVIE

>>714859530
>video games europe group membership
this is the first I hear of it
when you and your nigger posse aggressively shill something, don't forget to coordinate in the discord or else it will just create confusion

>>714861753
im not implying that anon, thats your troglodyte brain going haywire for the sake of shitposting
i wrote valve does add pro-consumer features to their games but Steam operates in a way thats in direct opposition of what SKG supporters want, ie actually owning the game you paid for rather than being lent a license

idk how else to describe this so you dont have an aspergers supermutant meltdown

>>714861773
chet's position seems less to be that preserving games is a bad thing and more that ross is evil and hates live service games and doesn't want them to exist (never you mind that the literal purpose of the initiative is to preserve live service games) and as such the government mandated law will... be something that forces developers not to make live service games? I honestly struggle to understand it myself. He can't express himself through text and the last time I tried to watch a video of his it was apparent that it was incomprehensible rambling a few seconds in.

Like all of his arguments ultimately circle back to character-assassinating Ross and saying he's evil and hates developers.

>>714861868
He ran out of man-I meant arguments, what do you want him to do/

>>714861570
Steam support once removed a game from my account that was no longer buyable. I showed them it was their mistake and their response was that they acknowledge it was in error but they can take games away whenever they want and since my game was retired they didn't have the right to return it to me.

But you fucking have the right to take it away??

>>714861916
>you aren't an indie when your successful LIVE SERVICE game gets publishers

>>714861029
>>714861243
Valve doesn't really talk about such matters so who knows, it could be another piratesoftware "I know people at blizzard, they're going to ban you all" situation

They could be against it because they're opposed to regulation or they could be for it if it pushes more software to become open source. You can project pretty much any viewpoint onto valve and it'd make at least some sense.

>>714861994
You aren't an indie when you aren't independent

>>714861921
>Peace was never an option

>>714861994
you stop being independent (indie) when you depend on publishers

>>714861823
Ok, lay out exactly what you're trying to accomplish and why it matters to you personally.

>>714862003
I doubt valve is overtly happy about the idea of government regulation sticking their dick into game design but also Valve is generally compliant with SKG anyway, so

>>714861530
>>714861561
>>714861868
Okay never mind then.
Hope that cunt kills himself.

>>714861665
There might be some effort to rebrand SKG as a movement that owes most of its steam to being a harassment campaign against pirate and is therefore invalid or not about its principles. I could see an attempt at that.

>>714862037
>you are
>your game gets published
choose one
>hello games is not an indie!!!

>>714862069
We should stop killing games, it matters because I play games

>>714856776 (OP)
Even if there were online live service indie games, the cost of making private servers is zero or next to zero.
Do you really think that devs don't have already their own private servers to test out things locally and such?

>>714857204
Notices how there are all the predators. You don't see in it Valve or CD Projekt.
Most of these aren't even europeans.

>>714861938
Well, the image you posted talks about the companies that lobbied against SKG, so I assumed you knew what the name of the lobbying group was.

>>714856776 (OP)
It's not that those games must be maintained by devs. It's that devs must release tools so that players can maintain the game themselves. You can't just kill a game.

Pirate Software genuinely has something wrong with him. He obviously misinterpreted the SKG campaign and is too embarrassed to admit it.

It's obviously because he had such an extreme initial reaction so admitting fault is too much of a blow to the ego for him.

Also his tweets also scream "PLEASE LIKE ME PLEASE LIKE ME" and reek of insecurity.

It's tragic.

>>714861897
>ironically gave the tools for preservation to the community while advocating against devs having to give tools for preservation to the community
>ironically did so by going way further than SKG would expect devs to go and dropped the straight up source code
He must actually look as fucked up as his avatar to be that oblivious.

>>714861562
>A satire game of Left 4 Dead
>The survivors are a group of completely soulless, sexless, clean empty husks of corporate "people"
>They have no personality and complete all tasks efficently like robots while only "quipping" about weather and the mission
>Making them contrast against the zombies who are raging mad screaming covered in blood and shit as they return to their base animalistic instincs, and yet they seem more human than our surviors

Actually amazing satire about modern society and corporations.
What? It's not a satire?
Oh.

>>714862192
>just release "tools"
>all bugs and issues can then get fixed by trannies
you mean release the source code and give it away under public domain

>>714862237
Textbook narcissist behavior

>>714862148
>>your game gets published
By tencent among others, how indie

>>714862061
then no one is indy

>>714862137
I think the fact that it took people like critikal criticizing and directing the horde onto pirate (even if he honestly continues to bring it on himself by being incredible hostile and disagreeable) to get the initiative going anywhere is a bit sad and points to a pretty sick culture.
You can't drum up enthusiasm over something like "you like games? well we want to ensure your games are playable forever, just spread the word and sign this petition" but if you turn it into "spite this fucking retarded youtuber" suddenly everyone cares. It's retarded.

>>714861983
>waiting for a WEG to come out this year because the demo was alright
>straight up removed with no response
>patreon scamming WEGnig said he was ghosted and his ticket removed from the queue
>goes back to charging $10 a month for rolling versions
Still wondering what he did to piss off Gayben enough to get outright denied. I've picked up malware that is still currently up and they haven't done shit with that.

>>714861946
>>714862246
Chet's brain has been melted by alcohol

>>714861562
>anal cruise
Game about Tom Hanks?

>>714862154
>I play games
Wrong board, we don't do that on /v/

>>714862154
Stop playing games.

>>714861983
Have you not read the ToS? They can do whatever the fuck they want.

>>714861787
>Only thing I can think of is when people asked Gabe if Valve was pro/anti Net Neutrality and he said he didn't think he needed to say because people should assume Valve is against it
Why would they be against it? Steam uses up a lot of bandwidth so ISP's could easily mess with them.

>>714861946
>Ross is Evil.
Like he literally says that. In those words. Its not paraphrasing or any exaggerating.

But like... why? He never explains he just keeps saying it like as if they go way back and he's known him for years.

>>714862154

>>714862342
>when you are successful you aren't indie

>>714861459
>>714861562
>>714861773
I pointed out to Chet that it needs the gun/zombie physics of L4D2 to even stand a chance.

L4D2 is crafted in such a way that killing a common infected literally never gets old. Having a zombie ragdoll after getting shot simply isn't enough (See Anacrusis, Back 4 Blood) and Valve knew that all the way back in the day.

If you want to copy L4D2, you have to do it better - and considering it's practically perfected the formula, that's a big task.

The only fault I can really give it is that I wish Versus mode had difficulty options as it's incredibly toxic; the only way you can lose as a survivor is if you make a really dumb mistake. If the difficulty was set to expert, players would be more forgiving as the game is less forgiving.

>>714862237
>Pirate Software genuinely has something wrong with him.
every single lolcow drama related to him is due to jason not willing to admit he's wrong or made a mistake, its a very easy to see pattern at this point

>>714862498
Good quote, Solzhenitsyn?

>>714862237
I think he was actually malicious. He knew what he was doing.

>>714862362
That's politics for some godfuckingawful reason. A position needs an enemy to make it somehow valid. I just want to keep playing old multiplayer games without worrying about when they're gonna shut me out.

>>714862498
Yes? Or is riot still an indie company?

>>714861940
SKG has nothing to do with owning a game, idiot. It's about being able to play a video game after the developers decide that it's no longer viable to keep the live service running.
If I buy a license to play a game in 2025 and I can still play it in 2040 barring outright hardware incompatibility, then I don't give a fuck whether I own the game or not.

>>714862350
Except those who self publish, or use a small publisher with no financial or creative backing from them.

Pirate software wants to be manly manly
.. lol he was born male but with low testosterone so he wants to become manlier. So hes a low testosterone bitch leaning to woman but wants to transition to a chad lmaoo

>>714862638
yes but also consider you are actively hurting companies because you play game (2025) instead of buying the game (2040) version. If they can't delete game (2025) then they won't profit from releasing the same game but in 2040. It's totally GamerGate 2.0

>>714862246
I think there is a small misunderstanding here, I think Chet's biggest problem is involving the EU. I think he views what he did with the anacrusis as a sort of counterpoint to what SKG is doing.
I think he just views SKG as a movement as corrupt and ill-intentioned/populist in a malicious way (this is why he keeps namedropping gamergate.)

I think he's drawing parallels to a lot of modern populist gamer stuff like people jacking off over concord failing and obsessively sniffing out "wokeness" and is assuming (and refuses to be swayed from the notion that) that the movement at its core is just spiting modern developers and trying to hurt them. I think he also just personally doesn't believe regulation is a good solution for the reasons and libertarian would which is funny because he's definitely a firm lefty.

I can't really grasp how warped your judgement of character has to be to look at Ross and say "this man is a duplicitous conman who is leading his followers astray," though. The guy is so genuine it gives off a lack of self-awareness sometimes, and the guy opposing him is like a textbook narcissist, just look at him

>>714862072
Yeah they're probably against it on principle, not because it would actually affect them.
They've been more outspoken about anti-lootbox regulations, refunds and that french lawsuit about reselling games through steam.

>>714862350
The dev of Into The Breach is Subset games.
Guess who publishes it.

>>714862638
>every live service game needs to be playable till the end of time
LMAO I hope this somehow passes because I want to see how this unworkable problem gets enacted.

>>714857204
>does nothing
>wins
It just keeps working.

>>714862783
Not my problem

>>714862638
>SKG has nothing to do with owning a game, idiot
>skg literally wants publishers to change their EULA to be customer-friendly
do you know what EULA stands for anon
do you comprehend what this is about

>>714862636
riot is a corporation.

>>714862783
Same way old mmos still work

>>714862480
>He never explains he just keeps saying it like as if they go way back and he's known him for years.
idk how long exactly but he has been shitting on him for years
maybe it's because of his "GaaS is a fraud" video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

>>714860295
I understand that you think that this picture you keep posting has some deep meaning and shows something very important, but please consider that you might be wrong because your brain doesn't work right.

>>714862924
>Steam is fraud
I agree

>>714860415
>jobless schizo with 6 likes
Fuck off. I know that he used to have a job. Doesn't change that you are trying to force some mentally retarded person to be a bigger deal than he is.

>>714862924
But it is fraud.
Ross is in the right

>>714856776 (OP)
All Pay2Win mobile slop.

>>714862776
can you name more tho?

>>714862924
the bald hobo doesn't even understand that Fortnite etc. only exists because PCiggers keep on stealing games.
>why does Shartman 2016 have online DRM
>uhhhhhhhh
because PCiggers *STEAL*

>>714862783
For consoles it might be a problem. For PC running a separate dedicated server executable that you connect to is Tuesday.

>>714862924
GaaS is a fraud. I agree. Death to GaaS.

>>714862003
Tech used to be filled with passionate programmers who were in support of open source shit etc., now it is mostly technocrats and technocrat wannabes who are right wing and against regulation but DEImaxx in order to maximize profits and with the end goal of getting young gamers ready for employment in a globalized work environment, so they never even have to use their HR department.

>>714862893
You know what, sure. Keep everything running but slap a premium monthly fee on it. Game keeps running but if you REALLLY want to play it you'll surely pay for the server costs.

>>714862765
>I think he's drawing parallels to a lot of modern populist gamer stuff like people jacking off over concord failing and obsessively sniffing out "wokeness" and is assuming (and refuses to be swayed from the notion that) that the movement at its core is just spiting modern developers and trying to hurt them.
I understand this viewpoint but still, his assessment of Ross' character is still way off the mark, he seems sincere to the point of comedy.

>>714857204
>GOG and Steam support SKG
>Epicgame doesn't
really makes you think huh?

>>714862783
>every live service game needs to be playable till the end of time
but it really doesn't force that to live-service crap

>>714863041
I can but convincing you is a waste of time.

>>714863098
not lobbying against it is not supporting it, its just staying neutral

>>714861023
>A faggot well respected by other faggots.
What a career move.

>>714863049
Fortnite exists because it's extremely popular and successful. Also on phones, snoystations and xboners.

>>714856824
FPBP

>>714863154
apathy is worse than hate

>>714863092
Who do you think pays for UO Outlands costs? Or The DDON server?

>>714863167
>Fortnite exists because it's extremely popular and successful
that makes no sense.

>>714857204
>ok ok, you are saying we are doing something illegal but our internal investigation revealed we are not, have a nice day

>>714862783
>AIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEE I HAVE TO COMPETE WITH MY PREVIOUS PRODUCT INSTEAD OF MAKING GENUINE IMPROVEMENTS SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>714862237
>misinterpreted
Naive retard. You deserve every single scam you fall for.

>>714861716
Based post

>>714862924
Would make sense. Wasn't "Games as a service" something Gaben pushed at one point?

>>714863279
Steam is literally all games as a service.
it's store locking and online DRM.

>>714863097
I really just don't get what he's seeing there. His counterpoint to "The point of the initiative is to save live service games" was "ross is lying" iirc. I dunno. I feel like I have a pretty sensitive radar for when someone has self-interested or manipulative tendencies and I don't get that shit at ALL with Ross. Like not even a little.

>>714863127
you literally can't or else you would have. you pompously namedropped one game just to sound informed.

Lmao. The parasocial rage is real today.

What exactly are you hoping to accomplish? You think you're the main character in some crusade? "We bullied the guy who streamed Unity tutorials and pixel art for five years because he said review bombing is dumb." Congrats bro, real noble.

You’re not exposing corruption. You’re just mad the dev cried on Twitch and didn’t bow to your fake internet justice committee. If his reputation’s "destroyed," why are you still here screaming at the ashes? Move on.

He’s still live. Still making games. Still shipping updates. You’re still doomposting on a Friday afternoon, begging for someone to validate your Redditor justice boner.

[SPoiler]he’s gonna outlast you.[/spoiler]

>>714862880
How the fuck can a corporation tell you how you're allowed to use things that you own? They can't. If there's an EULA, you don't own it, EULA explicitly means you're granted a license. It's actually in the very acronym. The L stands for License.
If the initiative is to change the EULA, then it has nothing to do with ownership, because it isn't asking the EULA to be scrapped.

Maybe you should look up the terms you use before acting as if you understand anything.

>>714862783
Not my problem.

>>714863320
I know that this will cause you to have a meltdown, but I still need to tell you that there are plenty of games on Steam that do not use any DRM whatsoever.
>reeee it doesn't count
It does.

>>714863364
Ok, Spelunky.

>>714863368
What the hell is this slut saying?

>>714862350
Do you really think that you are going to win an online argument by pretending to not understand what words are?
People going "that guy is retarded, I'm no longer talking with him" doesn't mean that they agree with you.

>>714863368
>making games
>shipping updates
Who on earth are you talking about?

>>714863329
>save live service games
that's plain retarded
the whole point of live service is constant new content, new things to do, gameplay changes etc.
when you just freeze it in a vacuum it's not a service game anymore, especially when you have to run private games and can't play with millions of people

>well we will just pay for 20000 AWS instances
you won't

>>714863368
>can't even spoiler
lmao, nice try tourist

>>714863368
Hi Jason. Maybe admit when you're wrong in the future, k?

>>714862783
Nigger, I can still play mgs 1 on my PSX without any issues, even though the compatible tv is starting to give the ghost. I can still play the Westwood 1997 Blade runner on my old dell laptop (original, not GoG version, even though I have that too), and still do on my every birthday. There is no other issues but the ouroboros levels of glutton, when it comes to the developers needing more and more capital for their esteemed share holders.

>>714863397
>If the initiative is to change the EULA, then it has nothing to do with ownership, because it isn't asking the EULA to be scrapped.
why are you cluelessly shitposting when this was exactly what Ross was talking about in his last video
they want the EULA changed from the publisher having the right to end support of or take away your access to a game at any point without giving a reason to confirming they will provide the means of their users to play the games post EoL
the latter effectively turns a license into a product you as a user actually own
why are you this mad over being stupid

If this passes companies should sell a LTS pass. You want support for your old games and to make sure the servers keep running then you pay 39.99 a month to help with upkeep. Games have a low population? Then that price increases. Fairs fair.

>>714863461
I might, what's it to you?

>"problem" we made specifically to jew you is unsolveable

>>714863518
>i can play single player slop

>>714856776 (OP)
>Name 5 always online live service indie games
BEEP BOOP FUCK COMMUNISM

>>714863534
Can't do that, I already bought the game

>>714860415
>altering the narrative.
Those "tweets" made in blusky by the check feliszek (the cuck from now on) were made like 10 months ago. The video he is replying (and the other replies he made) is around the first announcement of the skg campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRKTjTxUprw

The cuck was trying to portray this as gamergate since the beginning. It didn't get any traction because he is an ex-corpo cuck trying to gain relevancy in an irrelevant platform.

>>714863556
You sound mad

>>714857204
Why are Sony still using PS1 logo as official ? your fooling no one callifornia snoy

>>714863568
BALD GUYS!
STOP KILLING INDIE GAMES, YOU FUCKING HACKS

>>714863568
>dbd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_by_Daylight
Nice indie, more publishers than you have chromosomes.

>>714863568
>Noita is multiplayer because of seeded random daily runs
Then TBOI is "live service" too

>>714863568
and not a single game of value will be lost

>>714863590
That's just the sound of your own veins popping from your impotent rage, I don't think you'd be able to hear me through your computer :^)

Stop pushing for more regulations. We need less regulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2idJwylrzY

>>714863568
wtf, the homeless guy wants to kill RUST?
My rust?

FUCK THIS PIECE OF SHIT

>>714863568
Did you even read the output? Lmao.

>>714863532
Can you please read your own post a few times before replying again.
What does the sentence
>they want the EULA changed
mean? Could it be possible that they aren't actually advocating for the abolition of intellectual property? I wish they were, but unlike you I can read sentences written in English so I know that they are not doing that. Unfortunately.

>>714863559
>i have no argument, better bring out the buzzwords
I accept your concussion.

>>714863568
>has single player
>core is offline
>etc.
kek you tried

>>714863674
Yep. She's mad

>>714863279
I think so, I don't know if he coined the term though. They definitely used the term though back then.

Gabe said making games that you just release and sell, like a singleplayer game "didn't make sense". He said this when asked about HL3 at the height of F2P boom and all games trying to hyper monetize. Now we have regular games reaching million concurrent players and making massive amounts, so seems Valve is interested in making a normal game again.

Saving games aside, I think it's shocking that Pirate ever had a fanbase, it's obvious that he's a poser that's specialized in pretending to be things he isn't.
Every random 30-40 year old remembers back when games had private servers, back when Gerena was hosting a whole bunch of games independently from the developers, back when you could IP forward for multiplayer.
All the stuff he says about programming and server-client doesn't correspond to when we know to be true about games.
Are all his fans just so young that they don't know to question him?

>>714863559
>always online
>project zomboid
Truly an Ai response.

>- We shouldn't let companies kill their games
>- Why do you want games to die?
>- What?
Why are the antiSKG e-celebs so retarded?

>>714863638
>if you get a LRG physical release, you are not indie!!!

>>714863678
>let's listen to people that have done absolutely nothing to try and solve the problems
Nah, I'm good

>>714863678
If the retards can't regulate themselves then it should fall on the government to do it for them.

>>714863568
>>>714863631 >>714863638 >>714863654 >>714863663 >>714863681 >>714863692 >>714863742

>most influential indie game of the decade
>is always online

>>714863704
just take the L schizo, youre basically jason figtree 2.0 now

>>714863446
legit no idea what you're referring to

>>714862472
I dont know how to word that. For or against, I don't know which is the "good" side but basically Valve was saying "yes we agree with the public's sentiment"

>>714863809
inb4
>there are publishers, it isn't le indie

>>714863809
>can be played locally or with bots
definitivey not

but again, you tried and that should be appreciated

>>714862237
It's funny how the faggot could make virtually any drama related to him vanish instantly by going
>oh yeah my bad I fucked up, sorry
Not even a full blown tuber apology, just admiting he was wrong. And instead he constantly doubles down and bans/blocks anyone who doesnt lick the ground he walks on making everything worse.
Imagine being such a snotty egotistic fag that you turn what would otherwise be nothing burgers into drama

>>714863794
You're not an indie if you're not independent :)

>>714863809
and?

>>714863797
>the government will arrest itself
no, it doesn't. it's corrupt and should get disbanded.

>>714863404
>xbox game studios
??

>>714863809
https://github.com/Impostor/Impostor

>>714863905
And how are you going to ensure that happens?

>>714863678
>united kingdom
classic

>>714863926
Delete this.

>>714863891
how is LRG stopping you from being indendent?

>>714863948
The more publishers you have the more indie you are, lil bro.

>>714863936
public hangings

>>714863049
They aren't sending their best to the front.

>>714863826
lmao repeating the same shit over and over isn't gonna do anything loser. I'm not holding a gun to your head forcing you to reply, and nobody knows you on this board so there's no point in trying to save face.

>>714863926
>Server-sided anticheat.
no troonix support, good

>>714858130
I like this post

>>714857204
They wouldn't even be affected by the movement anyways. They make free to play games when they actually do anything new.

>>714864001
>you have
you made contracts regarding your game
>that that stops you from being indie
meds

Kill more games.

>>714863678
>We need less regulation
Cool, let's get rid of IP laws.

>>714856776 (OP)
if indie devs are hurt along side mega corpos good they deserve it die

>>714864124
wait no

>>714864058
I don't think you know what that means. The server runs on Linux (and Windows too).

>>714857204
>not on the list
I found them on Sweet Baby Inc. list.

>>714864108
>>that that stops you from being indie
Careful there, jeet, your English is breaking.

how can someone start a KillAAAgames petition?

>>714860295
Almost no one (and I'm using almost so you don't ummm ackshually) in the EU gives a fuck about Assmongoloid and the Swede from the PUBG bridge.
Also no one gives a fuck about games journos here, never did and never will.
This isn't America.

>>714864058
Don't ask what OS servers run on or you'll shit bricks

>>714864124
That's literally the video's thesis, btw.
SKG is defending IP laws, when we should be attacking them.

>>714864124
Stop

>>714856919
stop being anti-semetic

>>714856824
t. gnome-dildo enjoyer

>>714864157
they said anti-cheat, therefore no troonix.

>>714864124
imagine living in a world where intellectual property rights expired after 20 years, no caveats

>>714862237
>>714863886
>>714862516
It's narcissism at a medical level

>>714864173
making shitty games =/= killing games

>>714864173
>Sweet Baby Inc
bro imagine if SKG passes and companies will be unable to kill old games... SBI will lose potential jobs where they could've been advisors for a remake/remaster of a game, removing problematic and dated stuff of the old game... it's joever, bigotry won. it's gamergate 2.0

>>714857204
>make no games
>not on the game maker list
and?

>>714857204
>asking for proofs on a twitter post screencap you yourself have posted

>>714864256
what is concord

>>714864204
Yes, let's do something that will never pass instead of something that might pass. That's a fantastic strategy.

>>714864239
Imagine living in a world where ideas aren't considered property, and you can't own them, and they can't be stolen.

>>714864232
You're a bit too dumb for my taste.

>>714864124
-50 Palantir GoyPoints were redacted from user for this post.

>>714860295
the movement is about consumer rights
their business model consists of taking away games people have bought, therefore they're at fault and need to stop killing games, stat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wySIfdGqz3k

it just keeps being relevant

>>714863461
The point being you can play the game. I don't need constant events and shit to make me be obsessed with a single game. Just the most updated version, and I'll worry about rounding up friends to play with.

We live with all the tools now more than ever to foster small micro communities and enjoy old games. Thats more fun to me than piling into whatever the most popular games are

>>714864256
Valve is destroying games via their Steam-slop store.
plus they make woke walking simulators, which are not really games.

>>714864124
elon stop doing politics and fucking make space ships you fucking faggot just because china does some retarded nonsense doesnt mean we gotta to beat them

>>714864310
>lets be activists for lesser evil, instead of activists for good

>>714864336
>the game
is destroyed when it doesn't have support anymore.

>>714864346
Relax Timmy

>>714864346
>plus they make woke walking simulators, which are not really games.
Name one

>>714863568
>It can be played offline
Wow so can't even find 5

>>714864398
Dear eshter

>>714864124
>let's get rid of IP laws.
OY VEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ANTI-SEMITE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT GOY, HOW DARE YOU, YOU SHAMELESS IMPUDENT GENTILE PIECE OF SHIT. take that back!

>>714864398
Half Life
Half Life 2
Half Life Alyx
Portal
Portal 2

>>714864360
Puritanism doesn't work. What have you done to advance the erosion of copyright protections?

>>714863568
>All of these can run on private servers

>>714863587
>Ross doesnt play games
Is this guy serious? There are almost one hundred Game Dungeon videos. I've never seen any youtuber with such broad taste in video games. Ross genuinely loves the medium.

>>714863587
Man why does Chet hate Ross so much

>>714864204
>when we should be attacking them.
>we
>does nothing and expects others to do something while complaining when someone tries to do something
>keeps doing nothing after complaining
classic

>>714863235
> This kills the FIFA 20##
> This kills the NBA Live ##
> This kills the Assassins Creed
> This kills the Call of Duty
> This kills the Mario Party / Cart

EU cleaning house.

>got lung infection in europe
shouldn't have messed with the mold

>>714864482
Old games don't count

>>714864468
>What have you done to advance the erosion of copyright protections?
pirating

>>714864434
Is every game running on Source a Valve game?

>>714856776 (OP)
FUCK OFF ECELEB FUCKER

>>714856824
FPBP

>>714864508
it does? DAMN I SHOULD SIGN SKG NOW!

>>714864482
Games made before GamerGate don't count.

>>714864524
That only strengthens them

>>714858073
image just not buying trash games that have an expiration date

>>714864569
ok then, not buying

>>714864570
Imagine caring for your neighbor

>>714864482
Games other than AAA live service don't count

>>714864612
How does that induce political change?

>>714864482
It doesn't matter for cucks like him. Even without knowing him, immediately categorizing him as the enemy is what they do.

>>714863461
live service games typically aren't solely defined by their live service features, believe it or not many of them are still solid, fun games without that shit.
shit, many people believe TF2 was better before it went full live service.

the point is preserving core gameplay. that's pretty much it.

>>714864570
You don't play video games in the first place.

>>714857204
>American citizens wernt allowed to vote for the initiative
>But American companies are allowed to massively lobby against it
hmmmm

>>714864398
Half-Life
Half-Life Part 2
Portal 2

>>714856776 (OP)

>>714863587
>self-serving, self-promoting
How is he self-serving? He hasn't asked for donations, hasn't turned the initiative into a grift, even though people plainly offered to donate and it would've been beyond easy for him to profit from it. He has not promoted his channel or other content a single time in any video about the initiative. Is posting those videos on his channel self-promotion? What a disingenuous argument.
>gamergate
Yes, the moldy autist doing niche content about games nobody has ever heard of, who's as far removed from internet politics and drama as one can reasonably be while still making content on Youtube.
>doesn't play games
Now he's just lying.

Conclusion: Bitter faggot seething at his own delusions, probably mentally ill.

>>714863568
All of those aren't live services thoughbeit. They are community servers.

>>714864705
>Team Shitted 2
>live service
that's not live service. It's just a shitty multiplayer game with zero content updates.

>>714856776 (OP)
Hero Siege is one
But that has an offline mode since always so lol lmao.

>>714862237
What's wrong with him is he's a nepobaby mongoloid who thinks he knows everything there is know about the industry because his dad has got him a job at a dogshit company. Deep down he knows how much of a fraud he is, but he doesn't want everyone else to know. Unfortunately for him, it's already glaringly obvious to anyone who's watched him for about 5 minutes.

>>714864770
24A

>>714861897
>massive leftoid
>somehow against the EU slapping big corpos in the face
what is American leftism even

>>714864360
>purity spirals into letting his enemy's have total control
you put it crudely but yes you should, lmao

>>714863587
What a twat

>>714864884
mainly pedophilia

>>714858404
>180 employees

The thing is Ross IS evil, but if we don't kill all live-service games and developers, he will release the spores

>SKG petition has info about not-forcing companies keep liveservice games alive forever
>Everybody goes "B-but mah liveservice games" because e-celebs said it's bad for GaaS.
like sheep

>>714865031
You see, there is a difference between "ross is evil because he is a manipulative and self-interested political grifter" and "ross is evil because he has been long subverted by a fungal super-organism and we are all at his fragile mercy." only one of those two things is true.

>>714864770
54C

>>714857204
Those are members of Video Games EU. Where is the proof they "lobbied" against SKG?

>>714865031
Is the Mold that Walks truly evil, or simply obeying its instincts to consume and propagate

>>714865096
Is he trying to stop us from killing games because the concept of death is inconceivable to his mycelic mind?

>>714863678
Ancaps are braindead, I would prefer not to be ruled by private militias run by corporations and no police force to protect me from them.

>>714859007
>Star Atlas is a free immersive space game with a real cash economy. Join our community

already sounds like a scam

Cybertitans looks fine but I'm gonna keep it real with you, this looks like the kind of game that would have 400 players at launch and slowly lose all of them over a year.

I can't find spider tank

>Ember Sword is free to play, player-driven MMORPG! Play anywhere, anytime. Fuelled by $EMBER.
yup, another scam.

>Axie Infinity is a blockchain game developed by Vietnamese-
Oh man, this is a massive fucking scam, holy shit.

>>714856776 (OP)
Indies are not incapable of end-of-life plans for their games just as anyone else. If anything they should be the fastest to ad adhoc connections or some similar feature as a switch to flip when the game sunsets.
Remember, this is an engineering problem within the game's design, it can certainly be programmed in, the biggest pushback are from people who simply don't want to comply with SKG standards, that's all.

>>714865170
Do NOT summon him.

>>714864312
Sounds like commie bullshit made up by people with no good ideas of their own

>>714863568
>Project Zomboid
>always online
>Noita
>always online

>>714865271
Most indie devs suck at programming tho

>>714865259
Spider Tanks was (is?) also a crypto scam game

>>714864884
All American political ideologies are completely incoherent and contradictory. They're truly mindbroken by the constant propaganda and corporate humiliation rituals. Conservatives in America even support burning coal and ruining the environment because it increases profits. They don't even care about protecting the natural world, which seems like the bare minimum in order to qualify as a conservative.

>>714863568
Ah yes, Noita, famously known for being always online and unplayable without an internet connection.

>>714864616
I do care tremendously. So I'd tell him, despite the fact that he is 100% in the right, valid and correct, he still shouldn't waste his time playing objectively bad games made by developers who don't respect you or your time and would empty a magazine in your face if it made them money.
>>714864715
picrel

>>714864239
>>714864312
Imagine living in a world.

>>714863678
regulation is good, actually. also the counter examples are completely irrelevant and not comparable at all, in addition all examples given were from the USA, funny how there wasn't a single example from EU lmao.
also IP laws are also good. they are just far overreaching currently.
those who oppose IP law, riddle me this: why would I (in a free market system) ever bother pursuing an idea in the first place if the second I publish it, some factory in china starts pumping out products based on that idea with me getting nothing as compensation?
tldr libertarians are retarded as always

>>714864831
Not only that but a video calling bullshit on his 'game dev years of experience' and lies about how much he works on his game blew up recently

>>714863568
>Project zomboid
>Allows player run server
Oh, wowzer so indie can afford the ENORMOUS costs to run private side server huh, good to know.

I think indie devs shouldn't even be beholden to this. There should be something like minimum profits or minimum budget before it's like, okay, you're operating on a large enough scale that you can easily do this.

Making it so that absolutely every single online game that has ever made any kind of money period has to abide by the EU's regulation seems a little overbearing, not to mention perhaps difficult to enforce. The point of this, IMO, is to force large developers to do basic shit that they could easily do but won't do because it doesn't make them money. There is literally ZERO reason a game like Gundam Evolution couldn't have had LAN support or something.

>>714865339
ah, I see it's tanks not tank. Yeah they all seem like scams except a few that are just normal games but even those few would benefit more from not being live services since unpopular multiplayer games can benefit from a resurgeance after the initial playerbase has lost interest.

The problem with these social initiatives is that kikes will always spin those to their favor, so even if it passes, it's not gonna be a net positive for actual consumers

>>714863568
DRG survivor has a publisher and it works offline just fine.

>>714865436
It's not working, millions of people are still buying the games.

>>714865259
All of those are scams lol. I literally looked up random crypto scams from a website that promotes them, because crypto scams are the most prominent indie published live service "games".

>>714863678
i glanced at this guy's page is he a literal ancap

>>714865572
It doesn't affect indie devs.

>>714865572
imagine being an indie dev and popular e-celeb #8817589 with 3 gorilion followers tells you that "YOU WANT GAMES TO DIE OR ELSE YOU'RE PART OF GAMERGATE 2.0"... wouldn't you be scared to say the truth and say stuff like "SKG hurts me, think about me GaaS indie deckbuilding roguelike metroidvania..."

>>714865324
Thats a them problem. Plus lets not act like there wont be preset builds of unity apks thst wont have EoL features already set

>>714865640
Lol, cybertitans looked like a normal game on the surface but looking deeper it seems like the devs are hiding a lot of scammy/shady shit.

>>714865572
lmao, if you have the budget to do a GaaS game there is no reason you couldn't comply to begin with. It literally costs more to make a non-compliant game

>>714862362
That's basically been the political process since the dawn of human civilization. Roman statesmen turned it into an artform.
Passing legislation to improve the lives of everyone and grant people better livelihoods? Nobody gives a fuck, even those that stand to benefit the most.

Carthage? Fuck Carthage!

>>714865572
>There should be something like minimum profits or minimum budget before it's like, okay
There effectively is.
That is the budget to maintain a large server base that all the games bought have to connect to in order to play.
If you have the budget to do that ontop of making the game then you have enough to implement an EOL plan.

>if my poor indie website is forced to follow GDPR standards then I will simply perish...
>yes I NEED to collect and store your personal data

>>714863568
>Among Us has dedicated servers.
>Project Zomboid has dedicated servers and is also DRM free on GOG.
>Rust has dedicated servers.
>Valheim has private servers.
>Noita is DRM free on GOG.

>>714865572
You know many indie games that are always online with no ability to play offline or ability to create private servers?
Keeping servers online to begin with costs a fuckton of money, it's already completely out of reach of indie devs.

>>714865572
It has to be fair. Plus indies aren't incapable of finding a solution. If you are going to make an online service in your indie game, a feat requiring some degree of componency, then you should be trusted with making it in a way where you can pass off the online aspect to be run privately.

>>714865972
yes, lists were already posted.
don't play dumb, commie.

>>714865572
and that's the problem, EU doesn't care about that sort of nuance, they've shown this already

>>714865972
>it costs a fuckton of money
>but I can host them on my own
choose one

>>714865968
Project Zomboid, Rust (although that's not great), Valheim and Noita can be played offline. (Noita in particular being a singleplayer)

>>714863568
But rust allows you to host your own servers, are you retarded?

>>714866006
Where are those lists? The list that was posted was full of games that are not always online, games that have private community servers.

>>714866046
What? They carve out exceptions for smal businesses all the time

>>714866095
read the thread
otherwise fuck off to reddit

>>714857204
least fanboyish steam drone award

>>714866069
Yes they have both community options for online play and a singleplayer component that don't need online connection.

>>714865572
It literally is more cost and effort to make this shit lmao

>>714866103
they don't

Valheim and Rust allow user hosted dedicated servers. I can launch them myself right now and have people direct connect to my server after I give them my IP.

>>714866006
You mean the list of games that can be played in private servers, and fucking Noita? Nice list you got there, retard.

>>714866058
Hosting a single server for like 20-40 players isn't expensive, hell you can even host one for free on your own PC (if it can handle it).
Hosting enough servers to hold thousands or more players is a huge fucking expense.

>>714865492
Kek, that doesn't surprise me at all. Hasn't he also lied about getting swatted? His entire persona is built on lies and falsehoods. No wonder he's so bitter.

>>714866121
>can't take 2 seconds to link to post
not him but you're retarded

>>714856776 (OP)
It's not okay for any dev, indie or not.

>>714866187
They provably do

>>714866238
This is an extremely antisemitic post! Think of the billiondollar videogame publishers!

>>714866279
He's baiting (or a genuine retard but that's the same thing), he's just there to call everyone a commie, ignore him.

>>714866312
they don't.
the point of EU is to keep small business down, and feed corpos.

>>714865968
B-BUT THEY'LL GET HIT AND RAPED BY THE STOPKILLINGGAMES MOVEMENT! DON'T ASK ME HOW OR WHY, JUST BLINDLY BELIEVE ME!

This kills the shill.

>>714866279
>do the job for me
fuck off, go to reddit

>>714866373
https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/gatekeepers_en

>>714856776 (OP)
If Devs don't stop killing games, I'll start avenging the dead.

>>714866376
>dedicated servers don't count!!!

Not sure if everyone understands that Ross stands for the independence of players. That it depends on you to troubleshoot the game however you see fit as far as you are able too. He advocates for a culture of digital self-sufficienty that is only possible if you're not a tech illiterate retard.

>>714865968
Pretty sure you can run private servers with Amogus, I remember people playing modded games.

>>714866435
>believe what commies claim

>>714866492
STOP WITH THE ANTI-SEMITISM!

>>714862237
Watch his episode with Dr. K, makes it very clear that he's both autistic and narcissistic. "I am always right, so it's illogical that people don't like me". He thinks being factually right (which he isn't, but he believes he is) is the same as charisma. He has no understanding of human interaction. That's probably why he prefers ferrets over people.

>>714866559
https://apnews.com/article/meta-facebook-european-union-competition-fine-6886192353a344126a15886d6ca7c627

>>714866508
People understand that, but currently we're being hit by a corporate lobby trying to shift the narrative all over the internet.
And there's a bunch of contrarians and baiters, but that's just the usual.

>>714866508
Up to a point. He brings up private servers as a proof of concept that it can be done even by end-user, but it shouldn't be. I should not need to spend a decade reverse engineering a product I bought just because the company decided to destroy it remotely.

>>714862362
>I think the fact that it took people like critikal criticizing and directing the horde onto pirate (even if he honestly continues to bring it on himself by being incredible hostile and disagreeable) to get the initiative going anywhere is a bit sad and points to a pretty sick culture.
I think people have talked about it in gaming circles like /v/ for a long time and people such as yourself would either criticize, schadenfreude or berate them for doing so.

>>714866559
Mentally ill amerimutt.

>>714866635
I talked about it before you, probably. The fact that it took e-drama to get anywhere is pathetic.

>>714861459
Wait he was responsible for that pile of crap?

>>714863329
Ross has been tracking dead games for years with his dead game news segments, he's clearly someone with great interest in game preservation. He also didn't open some gofundme or similar shit to farm money from the process.

>>714866559
Why would you save an image that portrays communists as based? This shows a soviet soldier about to execute disgusting capitalist abominations that imagined themselves communist and thought they could reap its benefits with none of the work. Everyone worked in the Soviet Union. You got "free shit" because you worked for the state and the state gave you back things for it.

>>714866757
Welcome to politics. It's like Ross himself said, you can't expect something to pass just because it's good.

>>714866528
>Pretty sure you can run private servers with Amogus
Yep.
>>714866508
>that is only possible if you're not a tech illiterate retard
there are literally guides on youtube on how to set up your server for pretty much any game that has one, even a monkey can set up a private server, you just follow the instructions like an idiot and voila, you and your firiends can now play on your private server

>>714864360
Classic perfect is the enemy of the good scenario.

>>714857204
>ESL FACEIT GROUP
Kek, who fucking made this?

>>714864884
It hit different when it's his industry and friends. Also political beliefs have morphed into being about the will of the majority. With Live-Service, if a game isn't popular anymore it might as well not exist because who cares about the will of a few individuals?

That and people have this ideology about gamedev as a profession. They are way up their own asses with this sincere belief that gamers are their audience consumers and that they don't owe them anything. Selling them something and then taking it away isn't a problem because the game is both simultaneously a product of mass appeal where the individual doesn't matter, and on the other end a work of art that belongs to the creator of it and the abilities and freedoms of artists should be safeguarded from any kind of responsibility to a customer. The industry is narcissistic in thsi way

>>714866614
>believe fake news too

>>714867037
>American leftism is now Chinese collectivism
The great leap forward when?

i can't imagine opposing IP law and also opposing an effort to make it so that software sales are considered software sales, not licenses. do you understand how big of a deal that would be in itself

SKG could be immensely consequential to the software industry at large but some people are like "actually you need to completely topple corporate interference in government in america first"

>>714863368
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Lmao.%20The%20parasocial%20rage%20is%20real%20today./

>>714867029
ESL is Electronic Sports League, the biggest esports production company in Europe. ESL One hosts some of the biggest Dota and CS tournaments worldwide.
They got renamed to this after they merged with FACEIT because both were bought by Saudis/

>>714866840
>capitalist
>free healthcare

>>714866757
If what you say is true then you understand why I say what I say

>>714867148
Software sales are already software sales, it's just that there's no legislation against taking that sale away in language that cannot be weaseled out of. Every time it's been done it was "Muh eula" and then whenever people went to court over it, the court sided with the people.

>>714858130
Very based post amigo. Total consumer slave death

>>714867176
FACE IT, ESL your little "save gaming petition" is DOOMED.

>>714866508
Ross stands for retards who buy always online games and then go crying to the government when this turns out to have been a shit decision. As long as these assholes are in a conflict, I will be on the other side. You niggaz too gay for me.

>>714862237
Didn't he have a personal stake against the movement considering his line of work? I mean he worked on a live service game when the campaign started so it makes sense that he'd try to bring the initiative down by purposely misconstruing the campaign's message.

>>714863568
https://shockbyte.com/games/rust-server-hosting

>>714867137
>American leftism is actually Made in China
absolute cinema

>>714867183
Nothing was "free" in the Soviet Union. You didn't work, you didn't get those things, so this is absolutely a capitalist outlook of a retarded libshit that thinks he can just sit on his ass, pretend to be a le artiste and get paid by the state in benefits.

>>714867374
That did not even occur to me, peak cinema, holy fuck. They outsourced everything in pursuit of capital, even their own political processes and ideologies.

>>714867396
To be fair, that was Marx' ultimate goal too.

>>714867396
so you say it wasn't real communism?

>>714863587
Does he think Ross is assmoldgold? That would be hilarious, even then chet's takes are retarded

>>714866508
and the guy who wrote seduction of the innocent never expected things to get as extreme as they did
things often go beyond what the creator of a movement wanted

>>714867568
Where does it say in Communism that you never have to work?

>>714856776 (OP)
>Keeping long hair when your hairline is THAT abysmal
Jesus fucking Christ...

>>714867790
>being a conformist coward

>>714867826
I have a full head of hair, lmao.

>>714867790
it's a coping mechanism, many balding people have long hair like asmongold or MoistCr1TiKaL or piratesoftware

>>714867396
To be fair, if you didn't work in the USSR, you were sent to the gulag.
They had strict rules against "parasitism" (not having a job), which was one of the major reason their economy going to shit.

>>714861773
>>Releases new update for his game The Anacrusis
>>It's 100% community made, after giving them the source code
He's a good guy for doing that. Didn't Valve also do that with TF2 a couple of months ago?

>>714867996
Yeah, that's a very good point. I don't know why American leftist retards imagine that should communism happen they'd all live in a utopia and do nothing to enact it. Everyone was supposed to be working in the USSR, if you didn't work, you went to jail or lived as an outlaw that was despised by all. Only legitimate cripples could afford to sit at home on disability grants and I'm talking people physically maimed and incapable of doing anything and not the "uwu I have social anxiety" types that are worshiped today. The proletariat was a WORKER'S union. Do they not fucking know what WORKERS do? They WORK.

>tfw you realize the corpos wanted to end your game owner ship so you would buy a sub to keep the game playing
>much like win 10
>tfw no face

>>714856824
You gave enought of a fuck to be first post

>>714856824
And EU initiarive doesnt give a single fuck about you fat american jewish corporate practices

>>714868013
Its good for sure, but it goes against what he said about SKG entirely.

>>714862947
But you don't seem to understand?

other thread got janny'd so ill put my shitpost here:
the government is not going to save you from poor financial decisions and has been historically proven to do the exact opposite.
you would be able to host whatever you want if government intervention wasn't an issue.
i don't see what the point of any of having a government enforced "end of life plan" for games is when companies will take the obviously cheaper route and simply patent troll while spamming cease and desist letters to anyone trying to host an alternative solution.
i think a lot of what pirate 'divorcerapedfurfag' software says is retarded/in bad faith, but this is my personal stance on the issue: running up big gov's skirt to save you and not expecting them to immediately cuck the consumer to whoever has the most power and will more than certainly lead to smaller developers losing whatever advantage they had to an endless sea of lawyering jews and patent trolling.

>>714865631
This. He (>>714865436) is just one of those retards who think anything he does matters in the grand scheme of things, he thinks his decisions in life will make others stop buying games lmao.

>>714856776 (OP)
Indie games don't use their own servers for online, they use steamworks servers which are free to use.

>>714860006
He didn't do it for developers either, he did it for himself

>>714868289
Don't like the law? Don't sell the game :)

>>714868289
So how come it worked for USB-C and Refunds on Steam?

>>714856824
G'day Tower of Babel Media

>>714862783
...allow players to make their own servers? Somehow we've never had that problem with Battlefield 2142, Warcraft 3, etc. and it only became an issue once publishers found out they can get rid off the competition for their new title by removing the ability of players to play the older ones.

>>714861710
Anime website

>>714868370
t-they didn't work
cope!
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME JANNIE!

>>714868370
SHUT UP STOP NOTICING!!!!!!!

>>714868418
Earlier, the only way to remove competition for the new title was by making the title better, but they quickly realized that making better products is not so easy, so they decided to start implementing means by which older products can be destroyed, so they can sell progressively worse and more cut down things.

>>714868370
oy vey enough with the anti-semitism

>>714863809
The game supports LAN, retard.

>>714868519
>>714868561
>>714868610
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZSDCvUwN8

>>714862237
It was the same with the wow drama, wasn't it.
All he had to do was say "my bad, I fucked up" and it would be over, instead he doubles, triples and quadruples down.
He'd rather make himself look like a complete retard and argue forever about the least important things known to man rather than ever admit that he was wrong about anything.

>>714867296
>FACE IT, ESL
Don't those companies depend on dedicated servers?

>>714868263
That's the baffling thing.
He already went beyond what SKG asked for, but he's assblasted about it.

>>714868707
They do, but the average consumer is not aware of it, so they wear their hypocrisy openly.

>>714857204
Why the fuck is lobbying even legal much less by companies not even on the same continent?

>>714868762
Anything is legal if you throw enough money at it.

>>714868712
Because he's an autistic schizo, such people are irrational.

>>714868762
Cool it with the anti-semitic remarks.

>>714868370
>So how come it worked for USB-C and Refunds on Steam?
physical technology and a third party sales platform for video games aren't going to be regarded in the same was an exclusively online intelligence property

>>714868569
Yep. The disingenuous argument about live-service games makes it seem like the community somehow has to run them the way the developers have - regular updates, content and all - but people pretend not to remember that there were many dotas before league.

>>714868840
>intelligence proprety
You must be getting tired, get some sleep, Visajeet. Even your kind has to sleep sometime, right?

>>714868762
>Why the fuck is lobbying even legal

>>714868235
>we are winning
>wtf, they are charging for monthly subs now

are you winning, son?

>>714858130
have an upvote

>>714856824
Stop it ubisoft

he does browse here and /int/ btw

>>714868370
>refunds
>2 hours
>it worked

>USB-C slop
>this is good for customers, because muh one charger for DS+3DS is le bad, better have a second EU commie charger

>>714868840
explain why

>>714868965
>I am not trans
Explain the gnome dilator in the bathroom then

>>714868972
>shill seethe
Cope

>>714868976
explain why GOG refunds for 30 days, while (((Steam))) only refunds for 2 hours at best and bans your ass when you refund too much.

>>714869030
>>714868965
He sees all the legitimate responses against him and he always picks the most retarded one and attacks those instead.

Typical narcissist.

>>714868762
Because there are two codes of law at play. Rules for thee, not for me.

>>714863853
Then they must've been for Net Neutrality
NN means that ISP's aren't allowed to arbitrarily throttle sites or services which would hurt valve a lot.

>>714869063
>game crashes after 5 hours
>can't refund
>this good
>it's exactly how commies wanted it

>>714869064
GOG is white and European. Steam is Jewmerican.

>>714856776 (OP)
>480 replies
>nobody listed even 3 indie gaas, let alone 5
lmoa. faggots using the 'think of the indies' argument eternally btfo'd

>>714869064
>and bans your ass when you refund too much.
huh? they suggest you stop being retarded and to check the games before buying them if you refund too much in a row but i haven't been banned despite said "suggestions"

>>714869124
You are going to be crying about this forever and it will be beautiful.

>>714869125
if what the commie shills say were true, it would be the same everywhere, but it isn't.
weird.

>>714868976
copyright law versus patent law

>>714868914
>implying I'd ever pay a monthly sub to not own anything
they already tried that for years and only lost money LOL

>>714868762
>why do [richfags] allow [richfags] to have more power than [poorfags]
It’s a mystery

>>714869064
>GOG refunds for 30 days
to compete with steam? you still can refund a game on steam. how didn't it work then? please explain

>>714869168
>stop being retarded
>don't refund too much bro, or we ban your ass hoe
did the EU commie law say so?
why didn't GOG implement it the same way?
did Gabe bring briefcases full of illegal gambling monies?

>>714857204
Nintendo doesn't even make online only live service games, what's their stake in this?

>>714869236
who tried that?
I remember online passes, and it was accepted.

>>714869132
What do you mean? Someone posted a list here >>714863568
Don't you know that Noita is famous for being a GaaS?

>>714869205
Yes, and? Any further comments?

>>714863461
>the whole point of live service is constant new content, new things to do, gameplay changes etc.
You seem stuck in an odd groove if that's what drives you to play games. You don't have any favourite non-gaas games you return to for their gameplay?

>>714869064
Because GOG knows that the only people who would buy from them do it because they want to.
Obtaining pirate GOG.com binaries isn't a trade secret, precisely.

>>714869290
It's an organisation that happen to include everyone who has some sort of stake in European development studios. They do benefit from live-service mobile garbage, tho.

>Prayer for the collapse of the gaming industry is the only prayer I make that God actually answers with an affirmative
Why is He like this?

>>714869274
>you still can refund a game on steam
nope
2 hours have past, we are "so sorry"
EU commies set a hard limit on refunds

you see if you buy a PC, you can only refund it for 2 hours as well.

>>714869327
microshit, sony

>>714862765
Pretty much yeah

>>714869064
>and bans your ass when you refund too much
Ah yes, that "ban" which turned out to be a guy doing trading and the system thought he was a bot.

>>714869371
only a retarded autist would play the same shit for 10 years in Counter-Shitted.
>but now after 20 years we got meme grenades
only a retarded autist would play the same shit for 10 years in Counter-Shitted.

live service like Fortnite:
it's like buy 4 different games per year, that would be 60 bucks each
and you get that for free

>>714869349
How is "most mods are on the internet" or "it's better with friends" an always on-line requirement?

>>714863368
you lost

>>714869359
yes: niggerniggerniggerniggger suck an aids cock

>>714869436
paid online was accepted
and Steamies will accept it too.

>>714869456
>the system
the Valve criminals?

>>714869485
Didn't you know? If you can play a game with your internet on, it's always online.

>>714868965
>/int/ or /bant/ are also shitting on em
kek

>>714859416
>>714859613
https://youtu.be/s-09gNDsPzQ?si=PgUrtkgCxU34kY1u

>>714869349
hahah the absolute state of ai-sloppers

>>714857204
Gaben will do nothing and win anyway

>>714861029
Valve's games are already designed to be community hosted. Also every game AAA game devs would be against SKG because to them it's just adding more work. But if they want to make a forevergame to keep raking in the profits, they can't just simply abandon their games the moment it's no longer as profitable as they wanted.

>>714863678
Ok yea just reduce IP. That's the ONLY thing stopping people from fixing dead games

>>714861787
>asked about his opinion on net neutrality
>doesn't need to say anything because assumes he's already having their best interest
Gaben is literally does nothing, wins anyway kek

>>714869408
GOG is a Polish company, who, last time I checked, were not only in Europe, but also in EU. Do you think Steam would have more lax refund policy, or any refund at all if they weren't required by law?

>>714864124
this but unironically

>>714857204
>Bandit Scamco
I'm not even particularly surprised.

>>714869483
>live service like Fortnite:
>it's like buy

>>714863568
Shat GPT wrong once again.

>>714857204
The amount of american companies for an european lobby is staggering.

>>714869064
I think gog needs a reason though and steam is no questions asked within the limit. I never refunded stuff on gog, not sure if they actually check the reasons

>>714856776 (OP)
>>714862364
>>714859461
>>714861110
>>714864959
>Only two threads deleted
Useless fucking shit mods

>>714868762
they got sick of getting drugged and taken to epsteins island constantly.

>>714863905
Companies are working together to fuck you over. The way for you to work together is through the government.
Companies have also no scruples about using the government to fuck you over. You are some faggot running around in the new age trying to convince one side of a war that using guns is cringe.

>>714868965
why are gay furries always like this

>>714864124
based

>>714864204
>instead of producing more food we should just get rid of hunger
retard
>we
double retard

>>714869275
>Guy buys a game to see if it has a co-op campaign
>Turns out it doesn't and refunds it
>Steam accepts the refund and tells him it would be easier for everyone if he researched games before buying them
>Turns out the steam page for the game says the campaign is singleplayer only
Steam said nothing about banning him it just gave him advice that would help make things easier for everyone involved including himself.