Thread 714905549

I wanted to get more into counter strike but honestly from what I have been told by friends, its very aim intensive obviously. Also, from my own knowledge, the game basically boils down to the use of like 3-4 guns right? The AK, M4 and AWP? What is the point of all the other guns then? Also, how much practice do you need to be "decent" in CS2? I have heard all sorts of weird markers like "You will need at least 200 hours on AK and M4 separately" before you can even think about playing ranked. What is the truth though? What do you guys think? Is CS worth getting into?

I'm not reading your post but the answer is no

>>714905549 (OP)
Why do Slavic people have the worst taste in video games?

Seriously, any time I learn
>"Oh this game is a hit with Russians"
I just know that the game is going to be fuckass.

No, it's boring as shit.

>>714905859
I actually kind of agree with this. I found it hard to believe that CS2 is like top game on steam yet its never really talked about in 4chan /v/ or /vg/ at all.

no

I really don't think it's all about the aim, it's about using utility & positioning to make the fight unfair. The other guns are to give you options while balancing your economy, if I'm buying, I want a full utility set and will sacrifice an AK or M4.

Playing in America? Oh, yeah it's all about the aim.
Maybe bring some like-minded friends to destroy morons.

>>714905549 (OP)
shooting is basically a secondary thing, shit ass game is a "learn to throw grenades from a youtube video" autism simulator.

post em

>>714906256
You can really tell when someone has shit mechanics. Good aim and movement will get you to 20K+ pretty easily, even if you have to hard carry. Everything beyond that is learning how to play like a team, a few common nades, and not tilting after every death.

>>714907008
>20K+
shit the fuck up retard. Most people won't get out of gold not knowing at least a few nades. I don't care how good your AK spray is

>>714905549 (OP)
Based on your post - no, you shouldn't get into Counter Strike.

>>714906004
Because this place is full of casual retards who can’t into any competitive game.
Just look at the shit these retards say >>714906256
>>714906178
>>714907151
Unironically think it’s hard to remember a few smokes on each map lol

>>714907151
I hear the last time Valve tried to change the AK spray to be a little more intuitive, the community freaked out. Is that true? Seems like spray patterns are never touched.

>>714907843
>unironically spent thousands of hours playing "competitive" games
lmaoing @ this blud, competitive games are the very definition of goycattle entertainment.

>>714905549 (OP)
You need everything aim, mechanics knowledge of nades, smokes, bomb plants etc. map knowledge. You can get pretty far with just angle holding and outsmarting post bomb plants scenarios but as you get up higher aim and teamwork become more important because your opponents will be smarter and have the practice of being a decent rifler

>buy ak/m4/awp
>throw grenades at THE grenade spots >hold shift when going near the objective >see enemy
>win or lose instantly because you get 3 shot from a 600 rpm gun
>sit in spectator mode for 5 minutes while 12 year old turd worlders and Russians scream nigger at you
Wow what a fun experience

>>714908242
I wish the aiming wasn't so aids. Thats what really gets me. I am also really bugged out that certain guns are basically "meme" tier OR have a very very specific niche that they are used in. Like both LMG's(my favorite kind of gun in shooters) are both meme tier basically.

>>714905549 (OP)
If you like competitive games, yes. CS is the best one out there because it's basic as fuck. You can outsmart the all aim no brain players so having insane aim is not a guaranteed way to get wins. The game is wonky for old players but if you never plays a CS game, it'll probably be great.
>>714906004
There are no waifus in the game to make lust provoking OPs with, that's why it's a rare occurrence
>>714908501
I get what you are saying but at low ranks, anything is viable. All weapons in the shit tier (SMGs/LMGs/Shotguns) are economic weapons so you should use them to make cash, you can do that by getting a read of the game and know when the enemy team will have to do an eco round (not buy anything so they can afford equipment next round).

>>714905549 (OP)
To be decent at Counter-Strike you need to learn a few guns' recoil patterns, and useful smokes for every map, and callouts, and common angles, and that's the kind of busywork I'm through spending time on in my advanced age desu

>>714908501
Yeah it's something to feel good about at the very least from practicing and playing for a long time. Very good feeling outplaying and winning a post plant on CT side solo with 2+ terrorists still up. This can probably be a metric to know how good you've gotten because it's a fast paced utilization of mechanics+aim+map knowledge and you really shine when you're flowing good

>>714908949
>There are no waifus in the game to make lust provoking OPs with, that's why it's a rare occurrence
Getaway Sally

>>714910895
I think you forgot the lust provoking part. Both my pic and yours are in-game btw.

>>714905549 (OP)
It's not a very fun game, let the Europeans have it because I don't want it.
>run and gun punished
>"tactical gameplay" boils down to jiggle peaks, headglitches, and memorizing a dozen smoke/molly lineups on every map
>even with 12 rounds per side matches still take up to 45 minutes assuming no overtime, only 1 life per round
>gun skill boils down to standing still and countering the recoil pattern of each gun
>so many fucking cheaters, VAC is useless
>disgusting gambling and secondary skin markets

>>714911438
You're gay.

game sucks and alienated like half of its playerbase with CS2
>stand still in a corner waiting for a pixel to move to shoot
this is not fun gameplay at all

>>714907843
>Because this place is full of casual retards who can’t into any competitive game.
This, so funny to read the autistic shit they type lmao.

>>714912273
Because I pointed out why the #1 most played game on Steam doesn't have constant threads on /v/ and /vg/? Kill yourself.

i miss 1.6

>>714905549 (OP)
>its very aim intensive obviously.
not really, proper strafing is the most important thing to learn. cs has always been a game about fighting mechanics that do their best to make your aim artificially bad and you having to counteract them

>>714912432
How did CS2 change anything? Hasn't CS always been like this?

>>714905549 (OP)
only get into CS if you have at least 2 friends to play it with you.

>>714912762
Don't fall for obvious bait bro, c'mon.

>>714905549 (OP)
it's a time sink
there is no reason to get into it if you have literally anything else going on in your life
>but all videoga--
no. you won't have fun until you waste hours, days, weeks of your limited life. and even then the misery and pain will outweigh any joy you get out of this
the match making is literally designed to keep you from enjoying yourself
stay away from esports, stay away from live services, stay away from anything designed to keep you engaged
enjoy cool games in moderation
enjoy other cool stuff in moderation
not this shit

>>714913198
SBMM in a team based game where individual performance has no effect on your rating outcome is just pure evil.

>>714913198
The fun part of CS is doing weird unorthodox shit and catching people off guard.

>>714905549 (OP)
game is full of cheaters at any skill level
not really advisable unless you have friends to play with

>>714913338
There is no way for there to be a true metric of individual skill though. What if you have a "good game" but the only reason you got a bunch of kills was because some other guy on your team was throwing perfect smokes and flashes but he got hardly any kills?

>Also, how much practice do you need to be "decent" in CS2?
A lot. Actually playing the game doesn't give you too many opportunities to practice aim/throws, many rounds you'll get killed before firing a single meaningful shot. You need to go into a practice map and do it over and over it's pretty lame.

Play it for a bit until you understand enough to watch tier 1 pro games and understand what's going on, then just do that instead of playing yourself (better for your health in the long run)

>>714914453
or you could just play dm/casual, get decent aim and youll start premier at ~10k

>>714906004
The fastest thread on /vm/ is the CS2 thread.

>>714905549 (OP)
CS2's changed gamefeel and it encourages retard aggression nowadays so you can get by with wide peeking and decent aim and reaction time
>What is the point of all the other guns
Economy and personal preference. Or salt farming
>Also, how much practice do you need to be "decent" in CS2?
500 minimum if you actively try to learn the game and didn't fuck around in community servers like you were able to in CSGO
>I have heard all sorts of weird markers like "You will need at least 200 hours on AK and M4 separately" before you can even think about playing ranked
Just don't be retarded and look up beginners guides
>What is the truth though? What do you guys think? Is CS worth getting into?
It's a great game when things go right, unfortunately cheating apes and Valve being total mongoloids about that issue, Source 2 movement feel, and focusing on skins makes it a terrible environment to get into. I mostly only check in to watch the majors.

>>714905549 (OP)
It has all the worst parts of any FPS ever, so no.
>Core gameplay comes down to who can abuse the mechanics, shitty hit registration the most
>Community is a bunch of third worlder tosic autists who take it too seriously even in casual
>Community is solely composed of third worlders, cheaters and bots now, have fun
>Community made game modes that used to measure in several dozens are much fewer and basic, and even then they're dead because all anybody plays is comp
>Development team couldn't care less about the game and makes it worse with every new update
It's a pretty miserable experience that i wish i never had.

>>714915524
When you talk about movement feel, what do you mean?

>>714912762
>Hasn't CS always been like this?
For the average player? No, CS used to be a place to hangout with like minded people and have fun fucking around.

Its cus /v/ sucky wuckies at bideojames.
This is actually a coomer/dopamine addict board.
>>714906004

>>714915820
I'm sorry, but I'm a dumbshit and can't really articulate the issue since it's something you had to play CSGO to know, but sub-tick's just made everything feel less... snappier? CS2's movement feels off because when you press a key, the timing inside the tick actually affects how much acceleration you get. Like, if you press W at 30% into the tick vs 70%, your initial speed impulse is different, sometimes too much, sometimes too little, and it corrects later, which feels inconsistent. On top of that, friction kicks in a tick later than it should, so deceleration is also delayed. All this makes things feel really fucking weird, like I'm walking on vaseline.

And it basically killed surf servers since you literally can't move forward on the ramps anymore LOL, thanks valve

i've found new respect for nakey jakey
tl;dw
>competitive has to be toxic

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbJIbdcLn6M
How Counter-Strike Took Over My Life - NakeyJakey - 2.1M subscribers 2.5M views 1 month ago

as for your question, who knows. play it and see for yourself

>>714905549 (OP)
casual CS is fun
competitive is fucking awful and I wish no one to go through that experience

>>714905549 (OP)
It's the best competitive FPS by far but prepare to get whooped until you put in an autistic amount of hours because there's people that have played this game for longer than some of the kids in this thread have been alive roaming servers out there. Make sure to switch to playing on faceit as early as you can, official matchmaking is a clownshow full of cheaters and subhuman minus IQ retards.

>>714907843
>Implying a good setup is inferior to pubstar aim
Ironic that you'd call anyone a shitter when you obviously have hard time even reaching faceit10

>>714916425
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_nNsnUmGfM
> Wie Cheater Counter-Strike ruinieren | STRG_F - STRG_F - 1.26M subscribers 697K views 2 weeks ago

put on auto-gen subtitles or something

>>714906178
Good aim will supercede that

Is zombie escape still a thing?

>>714911642
What is a jiggle peak?
A nipple?

>>714916425
>tl;dw
>>competitive has to be toxic
Moral of the story was the opposite of that though. He literally stopped being toxic because one guy didn't respond to his calls in game and that made him overthink everything. Now he is all friendly and always positive.

>>714916746
Spamming A+D when near a corner to make it hard for the other guy to hit you

>>714915524
>That webm
Why do people even record when playing vs. bots?

>>714916856
Oh you're talking about peeking.
Sorry, I sometimes have hard time understanding ESLs

>>714916918
It's shadowplay and I like to clip funny things

>>714916918
Because a few youtubers got really famous doing that and it spread to a big part of the community. Although stomping people way worse than you has been a thing in gaming since forever. FGC being the prime example of it.

>>714917031
>no idea about cs
>calls others ESL
...

>>714905549 (OP)
just play casually. Go on community servers and have fun. You don't have to play competitively. 95% of CS players ever probably played it for fun casually

>>714917031
It's a very basic term. Peaking is when you just poke out and sit there long enough to get taken out by someone already holding the angle. Jiggle peaking gives you near risk free vision of the area and baits the guy into giving his position or fucking up with a sniper.

>>714915225
I suppose it's worth asking how much /vm/'s CS general talks about CS and not skins, drama or tangential stuff

>>714917394
lol

>>714917394
ive looked at the thread and suspect its mostly slavs plus skin-kiddies
not worth

I've been playing for 900 hours and I am faceit lvl 5, is this normal and if not how do I stop being bad? I feel like my TTK is way too high whilst enemies smoke me the instant I appear on their screen.

>>714905549 (OP)
You're probably too old to be any good at it. You have to start playing when you are 14 or its just too late for you.

>>714917394
What is there to talk about CS that hasn't been talked about in the past 20 years? The game barely changes. That's why 95% of it is talking about the pro scene.

>>714917570
900hrs is nothing.

>>714917605
idk
sucktick, cheaters, vac, advice

>>714917080
a lot of those frag movies on gotfrag back in the day had staged scenes too

>>714917668
I'm aware, what I'm asking is if it is normal to be where I am at with the amount of hours I played and do I just need to stick to it and keep grinding? Or is there something specific I can drill to get better quicker. I feel like the biggest things holding me back are low headshot percentage and not being fast and accurate while flicking to an enemy the second they appear on my screen.

>>714917570
practice shit you're bad at
take fight at your advantage
if you can't win an aim duel then use nades to flash em and rape them or smokes/he/molly to make them move into your line of sight or out of cover
if you're always ahead of the dudes you're fighting against then you've got very little aiming to do

>>714917853
>flicking
if you need to flick you prob deserve to die anyway

>>714917671
>subtick
Already raped to death. Valve is stubborn and will never go back to regular tick rate system. We knows it's more precise but it also leads to more inconsistencies.
>cheaters, vac
Already raped to death. No one knows a good solution besides kernel level AC which Valve refuses to do.
>advice
There is advice there. Only problem is that it's in fucking /vm/ and because of that there's barely any newfags to ask for advice. The people who are there already know how to play the game.

>>714918003
>kernel level
that doesnt solve anything, just adds another barrier which cheat devs will sooner or later conquer
idk what valve is doing with their hundreds of millions from child-gambling but they could do so much more serverside with statistics

>>714905549 (OP)
>Is CS worth getting into?
"The game is not fun, it is not rewarding to play, you will not enjoy yourself, you will not make any significant progress in the complete abortion of a competitive ladder, and you will hate yourself because of it. You will spend your practice time either alone wishing you didn't care, or surrounded by players better than you that would rather call you a retard than actually offer any tangible piece of useful advice. You will spend your 'real' play time surrounded by people who have clearly not put in the practice you have, or at least don't seem to put it to use, and wonder why you ever bothered in the first place.
This game is a broken pile of neglected piece of shit with no redeeming qualities, barring an unintended engine exploit dating back to 1996, that the current devs have tried their best to kill anyways.
Do not play this game if you value your time, your mental health, your money, or your morality."
Does that answer your question OP?

>>714917853
I have no idea where I was at with 900hrs and the skill level when I started was way lower than now. Like the other guy said though, if you have to flick to kill people, you are playing it wrong. Cross-hair placement is the #1 thing you should focus on at all times.
>>714918160
I agree and anyone who has a brain knows that. It's just better than VAC but only for a limited time before it just becomes obsolete too. There is no solution to cheating in FPS.

>>714918003
>besides kernel level AC
hah thats defeated

CS is the only game I don't regret having spend 3k hours on over the decade. Grinding 5v5, getting better and having your rating reflect it is very satisfying.
The only friction I have now with premier is russians and other kind of mystery slavs. Only reason I stopped playing.

>>714905549 (OP)
>Go around a corner
>See opponent for a nano-second
>Your head is blown off and then you sit there for minutes watching other people sit in corners.
I don't care if it's slop, give me some helldivers any day, at least it's fun, you know, the point of games.

>>714918404
Is this some copypasta from the FGC? Reads exactly like one. Newbie crying about not being the best of the best and people who have been playing since the beginning of the franchise.

>>714917570
you need the new .3 ms 360 hz monitor, goy

The objective isn't 100% cheater free games because that is virtually impossible as long as there is kids willing to pay hundreds of dollars a month to cheat on kernel secured servers and russian codemonkeys wanting to make their yearly salary in a week selling cheats. You just have to make it prohibitively hard/expensive for the average retards so that the competitive experience is somewhat good. As of now, any retarded kid can google cs2 cheats, pick something from page 1 and let rip on VAC secured servers.

>>714918892
>You need to waste thousands of hours before it gets good bro
I wonder what the % of the player base playing this dumpster fire is that has mental disabilities and issues, no other game in existence has this big of an issue with it especially in regards to how they have to cope that they wasted all the time and effort into a subpar game that will never be worth it to play.

If it's a free to play game with the majority of posts in the steam forums crying about hackers, it shuold tell you something.

>>714920162
The draw is that you know the game will be around in 10 years so it is worth putting effort in. You can grind other FPS similarly hard for them to die in less than 5 years or so. And the game can be genuinely fun when all the stars align and you get a competitive game with balanced teams and teammates that aren't retarded subhumans

It's a shame I can't get my friends interested in this game no matter how hard I try.
I've played very little of it and can't really hang at all in ranked. Well, that and I just generally prefer more casual FPS games with larger team sizes.

>>714918564
Yea same. I'll keep playing it even though I think it's worse than CSGO because the core gameplay is still there.
>>714920505
I doubt there are as many cheaters as people claim there are. It's a fact that humans do not like admitting they are worse than others in anything. Always the game being shit or cheaters because I could not possibly be worse than "jeeb" on the other side.
Not saying there aren't cheaters, just saying people are using it as a scapegoat for them being bad (although subtick system does make plays look even more suspicious than before). Sad thing is that even it Valve completely killed all cheaters on Earth, the damage has already been done and no one trusts the game anymore. People will complain others are cheating no matter what.

>>714905549 (OP)
heroin would be better for you in the long run

>>714921374
Yeah bro the free to play game is totally not infested with hackers

>>714912432
CS2 literally discourages standing still due to increased peeker's advantage you stupid fucking casual

>>714905549 (OP)
Its a cheat fest

Took him a while to show up.

>>714921374
There is a ton of cheaters and all the "pro" teams cheats in tournaments

No, nu-CS is a soulless mix gambling and sucking off "pros"

>>714920505
There are cheaters. but 99.9% of those posts are from shitters. I have several pages of comments calling me a cheater on my profile just because I whooped their ass.

I have played thousands of hours of competitive cs in my lifetime. At it's core, the gameplay has the potential to be incredible. In reality, the subtick system and cheaters ruin the game. Easily 75% of games will have at least one cheater in the lobby. Subtick is inferior to 128 tick servers (and even 64 tick, lol) in every way. So much squandered potential with CS. LAN games are the only ones where it all comes together and is truly perfect.

>>714918160
Kernel level is already defeated. Money is the only barrier. DMA card + firmware can reach a couple thousand USD, but can bypass anything.

>>714922714
Maybe, but that clip has nothing to do with cheating.
If you've played CS for tens of thousands of hours, you know every single map, corner and camp spot like your own pockets and you can take lucky potshots at hotspots people camp.

>>714923951
That's cheaterschizo, ignore him

>>714922714
>india finally gets allowed into the comp scene
>indian found using word.exe on like their first game
>entire country of 1.4 billion poojeets banned forever