Thread 714949304

What's wrong with modern AAA video game development? What's the future of this industry?

>consolidation

more like deserved annihilation

>>714949304 (OP)
These AAA studios amd publishers are animals and crackheads. They have no logic or higher thought besides getting their next high. Once they finally start to go under they will use every dirty trick they have to take the rest of the industry with them (old games and indie studios).

>>714949304 (OP)
cannot wait for more debra wilson slop, tortanic brehs

>>714949304 (OP)
>consolidation in the industry
>starts his own leaks website to enshitten the industry
>hires literal dei sjw niggers to do all the writing for him once the site pops off

The problem is video game development isn't controlled by game developers, but by corporate management and shareholders who don't know anything about games

Concord is a great example, 400 million spent

Capitalism has the problem in general

Who controls society? Not engineers, not doctors, not programmers... Shareholders, any retard with money is who calls the shots and makes the decisions for how society should be run

Visa shareholders decide what you're allowed to masturbate to

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
It exists
>What's the future of this industry?
Nintendo, Valve, indies, A, AA, and Japanese devs

>>714950734
>Socialism has the problem in general
Fixed

>>714950734
>Visa shareholders decide what you're allowed to masturbate to
first my wife and now this?!?!

>>714951789
Socialism is when corporations and their shareholders control society?

I know you grew up on cold war propaganda but it's time to admit the ~140 year experiment with capitalism has failed and we're in the later stages of it

>>714951990
Why wasn't this a problem before 1968? Socialism is a cancer even to corporation. Your kind isn't welcomed here in American, commie.

>>714949304 (OP)
Video games must return to 5 guys in a garage to get back to 40 guys in a studio making good games again.

>>714950734
>shareholders controls the decision-making
LMAO

I think you are confusing socialism with communism

>>714949304 (OP)
Pre-production is too long
It's literally a grift that developers are pulling on their publishers so they can take twice as long to make a game and spend the first half doing nothing all day

People think that outsourcing is "cheaper" because you can pay an indian 1/3 as much or something like that, but don't understand how much time and management overhead it adds and these shitty design by committee games already have massive management overhead. Imagine a scenario where you want someone to model a car for your game. The first time you get a proof back the indian guy didn't know what a car was and thought you said cat or something so you have to send it back and get them to do it again. Then the second time you get a proof back and it's actually a car this time and it has to go through 5 management layers for approval which all take time and they all give input on changes they want made as they argue over whether it's the right shade of blue or some shit. And every time you send one of these changes back it takes AT MINIMUM BEST CASE SCENARIO 24 hours for them to even GET your feedback email due to time zone differences, not even accounting for anything else. And you have to do this dozens and dozens and dozens of times for all the tiniest little changes or dealing with misunderstandings etc. and multiply that across every single fucking thing in the game. Add on that even if these companies hire locally, they hire the lowest cost undergrads who don't have a lot of experience and only put them on short term contracts so even when they make it through one project they immediately become unemployed instead of being embedded in a work culture where knowledge and skill is cultivated.

So everyone of these games is basically being made via newbies and third worlders playing the most expensive game of telephone for 8 years.

>>714951990
Corps get more handouts than every single nigger in the USA combined.

>>714951990
>leftpol edits
Go watch Hasanabi you fucking retard

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
Competency Crisis

Outsourcing

Wasted budget on nepohires that waste money on dilation stations

Consulting firms

The AAA industry was never a real thing, it was just a handful of dev teams that made some really good/addictinggames and everyone else trying to copy them. Investors have been trying to pump that full of steroids and milk it ever since the early 2000s.

>>714951789
But development of entertainment media got buttfucked by crony rainbow capitalism lol. It's basically a grift where they just keep inventing more ways to scam you.

>>714953202
Capitalism is designed to fix itself with boycotts. If they refuse to drop it and getting government payouts to keep it going, then that is Socialism due to the government's involvement.

>>714952843
That management overhead already existed before the outsourcing. After development got larger, a demo/base game become significantly more difficult to get done in a short time and thus project get split into multiple parts to be handled by multiple teams because it's the best utilization of existing workforce. You can't expect to wait for the engine and gameplay team to get a basegame up first before your art team can start doing their job.

>>714949304 (OP)
xbox firing xbox employees isn't consolidation

>>714953353
>Capitalism is designed to fix itself
LMAOAOA

>>714953353
>Just vote with your wallet bro

There's 3 mobile internet providers in America, there was 4 until a few years ago when Sprint was allowed to be bought by T-Mobile

There's only a few NAND (SSD) producers in the world, including Samsung. They literally just all agreed to stop making NAND chips in 2023 because they got too cheap, that's what capitalism does when things get cheaper, just stop making it until it gets more expensive again

There's only two companies that control smartphones and their major app stores.

Like 5 major websites account for most web traffic now when it uses to be split between thousands

>>714953405
Them buying out Activision and Bethesda is
You should expect more of that shit since Warner Bros Interactive and Ubisoft are on it's last legs.

>>714953353
Israel's strongest golem.

>the fucking Pajeets are the reason for the ballooned costs. They should have only hired white people
>the white people...

>>714953708
that's clearly a woman

>>714949304 (OP)
They stopped making games people actually want to play and started making games developers want people to "Experience".

>>714953610
Regulations stifle competition all these companies are pulling up the ladder, which didn't use to happen as much due to governmment intervention and little to no regulations.
Now tech companies get subsidized by the government, enforce regulations that they ignore on smaller companies and legalize child gambling by lobbying as hard as they can.

I'm not even a lolbert and I understand this shit ain't capitalism.

There's no reason games should have development cycle longer than 3.5 years

>>714953650
yeah but that has nothing to do with AAA development times and layoffs

>>714953708
>women

>>714949541
The funny green line must go up at any cost

>>714953829
That's just the final form of capitalism. When your religion is getting money, your own government will sell themselves for money.

>>714953872
It does, they're going to merge and buy each other in a pathetic attempt to survive.
Epic and Ubisoft already sold themselves out to Tencent.

>>714954001
There is no final form of capitalism, people just find cracks or outright burn shit down and start anew.
Marx was a mentallt ill cosmopolitan kike faggot who never had a job in his life and subsisted out of handouts from his socialist cosmopolitan friends.

Your religion is even worse

>>714951789
>Authoritarianism has the problem in general
Actual fix.

>>714953610
Now tell who is holding a gun to your head and forces you to buy those things? Nobody.

>>714953708
Why must all of you fall for such obvious bait?

>>714949304 (OP)
>Awful management
>Good development teams cap out at less than 100 people, with anything beyond that requiring exponentially more management overhead to manage
Because team sizes are so large now and managers are so shit, almost every dev is working on autopilot, getting fired and passing the torch instead of working together on a tight game.

>>714954268
>There is no final form of capitalism
You're living in it.

>>714954268
Marx having a job would be pretty stupid

It's like someone was criticizing slavery and you said "well were you even a slave yourself? checkmate."

>>714954382
- Being homeless is illegal
- Building your own shelter is illegal
- Hunting/fishing is illegal
- Farming on vacant land is illegal
- Selling things on the street (starting your own business) is illegal
- As a single male you can't get welfare that gives you housing, and maybe not even food

It seems to me the only option they're giving me is to work an approved job by them, for money to trade for food and housing.

That is LITERALLY the definition of slavery. Work an approved job by your owner (the state and capitalist ownership class) or else your existence is illegal.

You LITERALLY have a gun (police, monopoly on violence) to my head forcing me to participate in capitalism.

>>714954619
Just say that you don't want to get a job and save yourself looking stupid. People respect honesty, we know that final point is the only one you're interested in.

>>714954619
>how did you get the machines?
>i bought them
>which what money?
>my own savings and a loan from my family
There, that's how you shut down commies.

>>714954619
You wouldn't last a second innawoods you commie faggot, as much as everyone who also isn't a communist dickrider hates you, nobody hates you more than yourself.

>>714949304 (OP)
import the third world, become the third world
get woke go broke
not hiring by skill and merit
failing upwards
same thing for the entire quality of life across the world falling apart.
domino effect
You can bitch and moan and say it's not true, but it is, and you'll come to the same conclusion in time or become another drone.

>>714954994
grok is this true?

>>714954748
I do not want a "job" where the value I generate goes to lazy parasites such as:

- shareholders
- creditors
- overpaid executives
- rent-seeking property owners

3 out of 4 of these do literally nothing productive whatsoever, they just extract money from other people who do productive things

This entire capitalist system is basically a giant legalized scam that most people are too stupid (and/or busy) to see

>>714954901
>DON'T COMPLAIN GOY YOU NEED US
Ok parasite. He's right. Custom crowdfunded shelters with solar roofs for homeless got taken away in a week.

You are a slave.

>>714953591
Yes, if you don't buy something, watch something, read something, or play something, it means the company loses money, eventually they'll lose too much and by that point, they'll have only two choices, listen to their consumers and live, or go under. If this isn't happening and they're still doing good despite boycotts, there's a socialist keeping it alive.

>>714953610
This isn't supposed to be how it works, this isn't capitalism, it's socialism/communism.

>>714954001
>final form of capitalism
No such thing

>>714954748
I wouldn't flip a burger for this shithole let alone take a bullet for it.

>>714954272
Socialism leads to authoritarianism, happened when it was international (USSR) and happened when it was national (Nazi Germany), it's a cancer that never belonged in the United States.

>>714955254
>No such thing
You're living in it.

>>714955082
You called?
Yes, nigger.
MechaHitler out!

>>714955382
USA has the highest prison (and supervised) population in the world by far and it's not even close, even compared to China with 4x the population

Also the most enforced victimless crimes laws ever in the history of humanity, such as:

- Possession of anything (drugs, guns, illegal 1s and 0s)
- Consensual prostitution
- Not wearing a seatbelt
- AI porn
- Statutory rape
- Building a shed in your backyard
- Building your own house
- Fishing in the ocean
- Selling things on the street
- Being homeless
- Feeding the homeless
- Technical violations of probation (being outside past 10PM, drinking a beer)
- Driving without a license

etc.

>>714955471
But these were the guys pushing globalism aka global socialism aka global communism.

>>714955595
A lot of the crime is done by hoodrats, do the crime, do the time.

>>714952132
>Why wasn't this a problem before 1968?
You're so fucking stupid, anon. Stop trying to have opinions on things. You're incapable of it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/sherman-anti-trust-act
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everett_massacre
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Railroad_Strike_of_1877
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Labor_Wars
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Terminal_Railroad_Association

>>714953829
You don't understand shit you fucking retard

>>714955595
...and remove blacks from the statistics, and magically, it's no higher than the average in Europe

>>714949541
>>714950734
Dodge v. Ford was the worst possible thing to happen to modern economics

>>714952421
They do

>>714955974
>The problem is everywhere
That wasn't the comeback you probably thought it was in your head

>>714952839
There are efforts to cut down on pre-production which only led to game development taking longer if not being cancelled. That Disco Elysium spinoff was a good example of it:

>Tuulik, Klindžić, and everyone I spoke to who worked on X7 attest to it not having been allowed a pre-production period, the industry standard planning phase of developing a game. Making a game without pre-production is analogous to writing an essay without an outline, or building a house without blueprints.

>"We were set up to fail from the start and it was impossible to catch up," said Klindžić. "Whenever we raised concerns about this and expressed we needed more writers if the deadlines were to be met, we were accused of not wanting to do our jobs."

>"Pretty much from the moment the writing team's pitch was approved in August of 2022, the other teams started production," Tuulik said. "We didn't even really know what the story or the characters were gonna be, when art teams were already making first character and environment concepts. I'm sure you can see how this is a big problem, when you're making a narrative-led game.

>"Essentially, the writing team had to work double-time from day one to supply other disciplines with work, whilst trying to write the first dialogues and sketch out the rest of the game at the same time. The writing team consisted of myself and Dora at the time."

>>714956050
>dodges
lol
Black people commit more crimes, thus more of them are in jail. This is a fact.

>>714956160
Yeah, and I sure am glad that my tax dollars go towards feeding and housing them forever because one nigger tried to sell some other nigger a bag of pot back in 1985.
Crazy how people bitch about welfare but are totally cool with spending 80 billion dollars keeping criminals alive every year.

>>714950734
People will try to game any system, imagine a non monetary system whereby developers would produce the 'best games' , resources still exist as a finite resource, who decides who's a developer? who decides how much is spent and where the resources go?

Everyone knows people were treating each other like dogshit way before capitalism and it's suddenly capitalisms fault that there are bad actors? people and resources are at the source of all conflict and always have been.

Good faith political movements with sound arguments like SKG are at the heart of what keeps people in check.

>>714953353
>Capitalism is designed to fix itself with boycotts.
AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA

>>714955814
Cry more, socialist faggot, you bastards been spending years trying to take over America instead of keeping your cancer in Europe. If it's not us, it's Japan you want to fuck up.

>>714956758
>socialist doesn't know how capitalism works

>>714956896
>no argument strawman
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714956929
you didnt present any arguments either, numbnuts
>AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA
is not an argument

>>714956857
>if you don't like getting constantly buttfucked by a government that is openly owned by a handful of business interests you're a gommunist
Great point you made there, champ. Original, insightful, stunning, and brave. My metaphorical tiny round cap is off to you.

Even Adam Smith didn't believe in unregulated markets and you are, again, fucking retarded. If only I could be so grossly incandescent.

>>714957230
Capitalism doesn't work on doing something that keeps failing as you force it. If people like it, it'll succeed, that's how capitalism works. Cultural Marxism isn't capitalism. It would have been dead a long time ago. It's part of the communist agenda to destroy capitalist countries.

>>714957031
>hey i think that X
>lol no
>oh yeah? present your argument
i don't have to present shit you fucking argument twisting mongoloid, how about you present an argument on how the fuck fixing anything with boycots is supposed to work

>>714957495
>If people like it, it'll succeed, that's how capitalism works.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>714949304 (OP)
it's been proven time and time again that small teams of ~5 to 30 people make the best games. it's time to clear out HR and anybody that isn't fluent in at least three or four different disciplines and send normalfags back to pop music and sportsball where they belong.

>>714957559
Retard

>>714957662
This

>>714957509
Line must go up. If enough people boycott, line stops going up as much, and the business is forced to spend a bunch of money on PR to fix the line.
That said, you're right to assume that it's not an especially powerful tool to regulate corporations. People are too malleable and corporate propa-I-mean marketing is too good for it to have a sustainable impact. If only there were some entity, or collection of people, who had power over these business' ability to operate on their domestic soil and could exert some power over them in that way.

>>714957509
Systems stops if the company making money, stops making money. AAA collapse is the result of the Capitalist system being restarted, and the socialist system under US AIDs being shut down, permanently.

>>714957495
You're right. If people like it, they buy it. That's how capitalism works.
So what makes people like something, anon?

>>714958138
Non-woke stuff. Make a gameplay focused fun game and a cheap affordable console/PC and people will buy it, keep the woke movie/live-service crap out.

let me tell you how things work sitting on my ass in me mums basement

>>714958256
I'm doing nothing and winning though

>>714958253
Okay. So people like fun games that they can play on a cheap machine that isn't too politically focused. Great.
Why did Grand Theft Auto V sell 210 million copies then, anon?

>>714951990
>Socialism is when corporations and their shareholders control society?
Yes you fucking commie.

I've been working on a game for the past 4 years, and I'm nearly done with it. I'm the sole developer for it, I did everything from the coding, to the voice acting, to the writing to the models and everything else needed. Is that a realistic enough of a timeframe for something like this to be done it?

I know others shit out streamer bait garbage in like 2~3 years or just a few months, but this isn't anything like that, it's just a proper thing I made with it's own story that I wanted to also just polish and make sure it's working properly enough before launch.

a lot of these studios are just make-work jobs for retards. like look at Dragon Age Veilguard. it was in development for 9 years. Rebooted development several times over the course. It was just makework for Biotroons. The amount of money it was costing finally got someone to demand Bioware make it 'launchable' and shoved that turd out the rectum. It bombed spectacularly but it wasn't a game made for gamers anyway it was a game made to keep Biotrannies employed seething and reeeeeeing on retardera towards games that actual appeal to an audience (like seething towards Stellar Blade.)

>>714949304 (OP)
It's the result of trend chasing in an industry that absolutely requires the time and attention of the audience. It's fucking futile. The only way games ever took off in the first place was creating something brand new, that people wanted, and there wasn't anything else like it before. There's an infinite vacuum, and it just needs to be filled with the correct thing.

>>714949304 (OP)
Why do you need to have 6000 developers and a 400,000,000 budget?

>>714951789
>hears the word capitalism and immediately spergs out about muh commies

>Over 15 years of stagnation
>Why wont green line go up anymore??? We have to fire a lot of people.

>>714958428
Normalfags will Normalfag, don't worry though, with the next Xbox and PlayStation becoming unaffordable, those bastards can finally fuck off.

>>714949304 (OP)
Women

>>714958804
So normalfags don't like games that are fun, affordable, and don't have too much politics in them? Is that what you're saying? Or is it that normalfags aren't people? Does that mean that capitalism doesn't work on normalfags?

>>714952472
Literally every Republican/right leaning anything.

>>714958972
Normalfags aren't people and buy slop, they're one of the main reasons gaming is dead and tend to easily fall for socialism or socialist tactics. They're also authoritarians who spend more time bitching about something instead of just not playing, not watching it, not reading it, or not buying it.

>>714952472
Union Socialist Soviet Republic (USSR)

>>714959197
Remind me how democratic the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is

>>714959124
Okay. So normalfags like slop, and we have to qualify your previous statement; "People like games that are fun, affordable, and aren't too political, unless they are normalfags, in which case they like slop." We agree that capitalism is when someone is sold something that they like. How is it socialist to sell a normalfag the slop that they like? Also, why do they like slop, anyway?

>>714959282
Don't get me started on how the Nazi party in Germany was a leftist party under the full name of National Socialism.

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's the future of this industry?
Complete trannyfication and niggerification and a total collapse. So the gaming industry (and all of western media) mirrors the state of the west.

I'm literally not buying a single game with a jew, tranny, nigger or other brown0id.

I'll read polish forums as per usual, pick a game here and there, otherwise stick to pouring thousands of hours into few games that I'll be continously playing.

>>714955595
>country with the most freedom
>most amount of prisoners
It then follows that burgers are just inherently uncivilised if they cannot function even within the vast freedoms they have.

>>714959363
There was room to keep everything, the corporations purposely got rid of the smaller stuff to forcefully push the bigger stuff, did hostile takeover of smaller companies to destroy them and steal their IPs and from there destroy their creation. Government used USAIDs money to keep these companies from going under and they betrayed their own nation for people outside of it while throwing out their bigger audiences who they thought they brainwashed for faggots, trannies, feminists, and browns.

>>714959542
So you're saying that people like slop because corporations, working with the government, taught them to like slop via brainwashing?

>>714959653
Yup, Obama removed the laws banning propaganda.

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
games are too expensive to make, it's made worse by the fact they're all horribly managed by publishers and the suits of studios, and the fact of the matter is making assets for 4K is really time consuming and expensive, and no I'm not even talking about hyper realistic graphics, I'm talking about any graphics, and it's not like they can go back to making 720p assets because thats not the consumer expectation nowadays, 1080p is minimum for TVs and monitors.

>>714959809
So, what you've basically told me is that capitalism is a system where corporations brainwash people into wanting something through dishonest tactics, then proceed to sell it to them. So what you said before - "Capitalism doesn't work on doing something that keeps failing as you force it. If people like it, it'll succeed" - that's not exactly right, is it? If the corporation is able to convince people of what they like, it will always succeed, won't it?

>>714959653
I don’t know if the average normalfag actually likes anything, they just seem to consume whatever is popular.

>>714960116
Democrats are socialists who are authoritarians, meaning that's not capitalism, it's socialism.

>>714960214
But the corporation is still selling people something that they like, and you're the one who said that's what capitalism is. When did it stop being capitalism?

>>714953026
The right can't meme.

>>714950734
this so much, as soon as shareholders and investors gets involved everything about it goes to shit, this happens to every industry, a desperate chase of getting the line to go up.

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's the future of this industry?
Total collapse of Western AAA gaming and domination by Asian developers

>>714961461
sounds like choosing between a douche and a turd. i hate both.
western
>pozzed, live service, homogenization of franchises
eastern
>micro transactions, shallow everything, mobile games
between this stuff and OS's/ISP's/everything getting more invasive by the year, i might finally be reaching retirement from vidya.

>>714951990
Capitalism works
our mistake was not stepping in sooner when shareholders and corporations stepped out of line

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
Bloated by HR and normies.
Captured by suit-wearing briefcase-holding money-men who don't care about video games.

>What's the future of this industry?
For the gaming industry it's mostly business as usual.
For the AAA industry it means death and rebirth.

>>714961675
Play indies you dumb retard.
>b-but troooooons
Okay, have fun not playing videogames then you dumb retard.

>>714950734
>video game development isn't controlled by game developers, but by corporate management
You need both for a good product. Giving game developers too much control is just as bad as giving corporate management too much control because then game development can drift into self indulgent garbage territory. Ideally corporate management works as a reality check and driving force while game developers have creative control and are allowed to work on a project from start to finish without having to constantly change shit to chase after the latest trend.

Games shouldn’t have development cycle longer than 4 yrs max. It’s poor management

>>714949304 (OP)
Indie games will save the industry

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
They keep taking forever and spending huge amount of money just to make shitty games that don't sell.

>>714949304 (OP)
>You don't understand, we NEED the dev teams composed of hundreds of people + thousands of outsourcers in order to make good games!
Didn't Expedition 33 already debunk this by making a major game using like 1/10 the staff of the typical AAA slop.

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
Too many useless people, to make a videogame you just need these:
Programmers
VAs
1 Music composer
a few artists depending on your chosen artstyle 2D,3D, sprites, etc.
That's all, any team above 100 is bloat, the average game won't need more than 30 people.

>>714950734
Shareholders are literally the only people involved that want a game to be popular and make money at the end. Employees want to collect corporate paychecks for as little work or personal investment as possible - everyone that actually cares about making a game as self-expression is not working for globocorp. Management wants their skim (which means more bloated projects are better, since the bigger a project they're working on the more they can justify grabbing) and career trajectories which are mostly about cronyism.

>>714964636
shareholders don't want the game to popular. they don't even want the game to exist in any manner other than it being an indirect consequence of their real desire: they want the company to grow, or appear to grow, so the share price goes up.

>>714949304 (OP)
Their focus on realistic graphics and cinematic experience.
It's bloating their budget.

>>714963669
Reality is most people at a company dont do anything.

american games cost too much to develop because their wages are insane but 90% of it goes into housing costs anyway

>>714964808
How do you expect the company to grow if the product doesn’t sell?

>>714962060
there's lots of good arguments against this and apparently judges throw out cases all the time that lean on this precedent

>>714965524
we are currently at least a half century into the practice of hiring unproductive people to signal growth to investors. The colloquial term for this hiring practice is "warm bodies." Some of the biggest companies in the world are perpetually operating at a loss.

If you think a company of a certain size needs to turn a profit on its products, or even deliver them at all to grow their share value for a decade consistently you haven't been paying attention. Shares in companies are a fiat currency unto themselves and can be manipulated both by the investor and the company themselves.

>>714949304 (OP)
Bump

>>714954508
>he thinks it can't get worse
I envy your optimism

>>714954508
>You're living in it.
English speaking nations don't draft women to wars.

what I don't understand, is staunch capitalists refusing to believe in cartels and lobbying fucking up the free market.
They call it "crony capitalism", but it's exactly what happens when you concentrate vast amount of wealth in very few hands.

Those hands will fight tooth and nail to keep the wealth by changing the rules, and here comes the conundrum: To have a small government that doesn't stifle competition, you need a strong government that will enforce competition.

You see the paradox?

Recently in UK, the biggest housing/real estate companies have been found manipulating prices, and providing each other information on prices and such, in order to manipulate the market. Instead of an investigation starting, those big companies decided to give £100 millions to "social housing initiatives", and the investigation got dropped, so their little cartel couldn't be touched, no one batted an eye.

See how it works? Without a strong authoritarian government, the money makers will always make the rules, the difference is that they call it "lobbying" and make it legal.

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development
People who went to game design school

>mfw needing to go on /v/ for a proper discussion of this shit because /pol/ is permanently ruined by spambots and shills
It'll happen here at some point too but I'm happy there's still real anons to talk to instead of a bot or shill.
>captcha: THJ00z

>>714962836
>You need both for a good product

How on earth can you say that when there are successful games out there that were either made by small teams or straight-up solo devs. A reality check is making mistakes and learning from them, not tethering yourself to some old uncreative bloke with no programming experience who'll tell you how to make your game just to get a cut of the profit. There's a reason people say companies going public is like selling your soul, because you're literally giving away your creative freedom to a committee of rich devils.

Profits and revenue will go up at first, but the more those shareholders keep poking and prodding at the development process, the more likely you'll end up with another Concord situation. A lot of devs don't want to chase the next big trend, it's the shareholders that keep pushing them in that direction for unobtainable profits.

>>714960214
>real capitalism hasn't been tried before, this isn't real capitalism
Never thought I'd see the day, kek.

>>714949304 (OP)
I have direct information about layoffs that I'm not allowed to disclose to anyone. I don't work in games but I do work in the entertainment industry. Don't live with your head in the sand, be rational and make moves now.

>>714972302
Lemme guess, shareholders are telling CEOs of every facet of entertainment to gut their companies just so they can hire cheaper labor and shoddy AI, effectively turning everything into a sloppy mishmash to brainwash the next generation into walking wallets, to the point that within the next century normal people won't have any money to spend on, so the shareholders of that generation will use their monetary power to overthrow every single government in the world and become an "entertainment" factory. There will be no wars, but there'll also be no freedom either. The future will be streamlined to the point where your grandchildren won't have to think for themselves, all they have to do is wake up, consume, shit, and sleep.

>>714960287
Normalfags gets what's popular, they don't care if it's good or bad until some popular dude online says it's bad. They're cattle, nothing more

>>714965832
Does this mean public companies don't even have to follow this?

>>714949304 (OP)
Graphicsfags, mid level management, and commercial engines ruined everything

>>714949304 (OP)
>What's wrong with modern AAA video game development?
It's all open world slop. Most dev time goes toward making the oversized map.

>>714974562
it just protects companies from silly demands from share holders like
>you should stop all your current activities and become a finance firm because that makes me more money

>>714974718
So, you're telling me right now, that Microsoft and Sony USA don't even have to listen to their shareholders yet they follow everything they say, especially Microsoft?

>>714950734
Shareholders existed a long time ago. Electronic Arts has had shareholders since 1989. No the problem is the industry became bureaucratized, studios like quadrupled in size in the PS4 generation, layer upon layer of people, nothing could get done anymore.

Games like CO33 and many JP titles prove this is totally unnecessary and a result of western cultural trends. It's no accident this happened shortly after GamerGate. The corporate managers felt they needed to expunge the "white male influence" and bring in diversity.

>>714974854
to some extent yeah, obviously laws also exist to protect shareholders from companies destroying their value to game shares

>>714971878
And how many smaller teams and solodevs produce turds that are forgotten the moment they are released or shitcan projects that go nowhere? Only because there is no corporate management doesn't mean the creative forces are unleashed and a success is guaranteed. Smaller teams and solodevs have to consider the business part of game development just as much as big corpos and will regularly cut stuff or change things to make projects more financially viable.

>>714975113
At this point, Microsoft should be taken to court. They seem to overstep their boundaries a lot. I can see why Indians are always put in the CEO chairs because they bend over backwards on everything.

>>714949541
>Once they finally start to go under they will use every dirty trick they have to take the rest of the industry with them (old games and indie studios).
Like what?

>>714949304 (OP)
The inconvenient truth is there's a fuckton of people that no longer/don't have any business being in this industry

>>714950734
>The problem is video game development isn't controlled by game developers,
saaar h1b very good saaar.

>>714950734
>video game development isn't controlled by game developers
Be very careful what you wish for. Especially here in the West and if Concord style characters offend your sensibilities.

>>714955998
>Dodge v. Ford was the worst possible thing to happen to modern economics
That is a myth that company CEO repeat to save their asses. In reality the judge very specific said that the case in unique to those circumstances and only those circumstances. It was not that Ford was ordered to make his shareholder happy but he was order that he could not cut out his shareholders without reason like he did.

The real turning point was General Electric in the 80s which switched it focus to short-term gain and maximize short-term profits which led to a lot of CEO tried to copy it.

>>714965524
There are actually ways to make the company grow or at least look like it's growing. Like selling companies assets and mass layoff. Doing so save companies a shitload of money...in the short term. Then the CEO can show this "growth" to the sharefolders, collect their bonus and jump ship to another company while consequence catch up to the old companies

From what I see, the problem is the mindset of short-term gain. Shareholders want to see the lines go up so they hire CEOs who they think can make the lines go up. The problem is that those CEO got reward by showing short-term gain for the company and then cycle out for the next guy after a couple of years, thus they see no need to improve the companies in the long-term. Rather, it's more rewarding for them to make themselves look successful during their term and then move on. Buy a successful company, strip it for parts to create illusion of growth, get your bonus and then move on.