Thread 715014085

How did Kojima achieve this without ray tracing?

he used a new tech he invented, it's called Hideotracing

Do you even know what "ray tracing" is you literal retard? Because I do not.

>>715014085 (OP)
>hideo kojima invented lighting

>>715014140
Kojima invent-

>>715014235
Fuck, beat me to it

>>715014085 (OP)
>Kojima
'kojima' didnt achieve shit. it's the autistic jap devs he hired that made this happen

>kojima
>achieving anything
lmfao the dude is a glorified ideas guy, and his ideas all suck

>>715014534
What about Boktai

>>715014575
TAIYOOOOOOOOOH

What movie did he rip this off from?
Not a movie but this just reminds me of deus ex mankind divided.

>>715014085 (OP)
hundreds of millions of dollars, too bad he couldnt afford a writing team, decent programmers, top tallent to manage his shallow gameplay and good artists

i came up the idea called "light" in DS. it'd be effective to have darkness and light when you are delivering packages in a 3D world

How did Kojima achieve this without ray tracing?

>>715015884
Why did he do it?

>>715014085 (OP)
This will absolutely melt some PCs when it gets ported

>>715014085 (OP)
>the environment is incredibly dark considering how many lightsources there are.
why are those two cars in the distance completely dark? whys the lampshade dark? whys the character so dark?

>>715016258
why are you gay?

>>715014085 (OP)
Achieve what? Put particles in the game? The lighting sucks especially in that screenshot, OP.

>>715014085 (OP)
ngl, this sequence alone mogs all of the Cliff sequences in DS1 combined

>>715015937
Drop bears are extremely dangerous.

shame it's gameplay abysmal dogshit tier

>>715014431
Why is Kojima better at hiring talent than most industry giants?

>>715014085 (OP)
The lighting is bad though
See >>715016258

>>715017024
2011 tier lighting

>>715014431
>Guerrilla Games
>Japanese

>>715014140
kek

>>715017114
Still looks better than any other game on the PS5

it's a light-type of game

>>715014085 (OP)
screen space reflections
>copy previous frame
>flip it vertically
>viola

>>715014161
kek

>>715017497
Too green.

>>715017497
This shit actually drove me crazy, I hates horizon 2 with a passion. There's no contrast in the environments, you actually need the yellow paint slop to find fucking anything. It's the best example that progress in graphics is not synonymous with progress in gaming.

>>715016258
>>715016627
>>715017110
>>715017114
>>715017250
>nooooooo you need 3000$ gpu for realistic reflections

>>715016024
>anything running on shitass 2019 mid tier mass produced hardware
>melting PCs
lmfao

>>715017497
They use the same engine genius.

>>715014085 (OP)
Same way he achieved it on PS2

>mogs Cliff Unger
My knee is kneiling on its own.

>>715018972
so that means one cant look better than the other?

>>715018021
>HOW DID KOOOOOOJIMA ACHIEVE TS WITH NO GAYTRACING???
>posts garbage looking screenshot with obvious missing GI
>but le heckin particle effects brooo!

>>715014085 (OP)
kino

>>715018021
>you need a $3000 gpu if you want light sources to actually illuminate the environment
2015 game with no gaytracing managed to do it

>>715017114
>what's light pollution
Go outside at night.

The technology has existed for well over a decade

Why do you think ray tracing would be the only rendering solution for reflecting light?

>>715019949
god i wanna wipe the memories of division 1 from my brain
playing division 2 right now feels so hollow without the personality of winter NYC

>>715017250
>viola

>>715014085 (OP)
Is Kojima the most successful ideas guy of all time?
I wish I was him...

>>715014085 (OP)
OP thought this woud btfo NVIDIA shills but Kojima cant even into basic ass global illumination OH NO NO NO NO whats it like to get mogged by 10 year old ubislop, Kojimaxisters?

>>715020615
That looks like absolute shit by comparison.

Kojima did that??? Wowie zowie!

>>715020663
oh no no no no no aaaaahahahha not even GI

>>715014575
Yeah anon about that

>>715014161
hahahaha

>>715017497
you know DS2 takes a huge dump on this shit right?

>>715014085 (OP)
>muh particles
I swear that you can run something like this in after effect cs6 without any plugin whatsoever

>>715020952
Nah, even Horizon doesn't play as bad or look as bad as DS2

>>715020798
>he doesn't know how fireworks work
Your previous example has unnecessary bloom and is missing some shadows/depth, making it look like shit. Fireworks produce smoke which contributes to light pollution and thus creates a haze. You can't tell because you are a retarded basementlard shilling a shitty game.

>>715014161
rofl

>>715021098
oh my god...

>>715021098
I can see the vertices on the top pic.

>>715021150
>its light pollution thats why everything but the ground texture is pitch black
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this isnt real life nigga this isnt light pollution its lack of GI plain and simple. PS5 would explode if he tried anything fancy with lighting there hahahahahaa

>>715014161
based

>>715021306
Before you continue to post more retarded shit, light a few sparklers and play games that aren't shit.

>>715021437
>ground literally glowing
>everything else is pitch black
LMAO
>kojima the genius definitely invented light pollution simulation for his game its definitely not a lack of GI pcúcks rtx btfo!!

>>715017497
>>715017865
Horizon: Forbidden West is the showcase for amazing graphics while still being hideous. Everything is garish and oversaturated, and the character designs fall on their face. The Far Zenith designs are the icing on the cake. I also noticed (and this applies to Killzone looking back) the NPCs have gross proportions; it looks like everyone is 5 feet tall, with awkward, bulky clothing that makes them feel even shorter.

>>715021687
You are not refuting any of my points by capslocking laughter. You're also confirming >>715021150 by being an ignorant shill.

>>715014161
"Vegeta, tell me which triangles line from point X to point Y hits!"
Then you do the fuck you want with the data, from a simple "yep, the path to the light is blocked so we don't add light to this pixel", to "yep, gonna test a line bouncing from the triangle and add its color information and shit".

>>715014161
One of the best post I've seen kek

>>715019026
>konami on dead ips reviving spree
>ZOE is still nowhere to be seen
ADAbros....

>>715021098
I can count the polys on top pic

Graphicsfags dumb as bricks what's new

>>715014161
nugget of gold in piles of shit

>>715014085 (OP)
Creative gene

>>715014085 (OP)
why is the car not reflecting anything

>>715014085 (OP)
He uses a Hideocard haha get it?

>>715020750
oh right, one piece exist
lets have a look what I missed
>5 episodes of flashback

>>715024420
Its probably burnt like all of the other cars.

>>715022194
not him, but he is right and you an idiot
neither game looks great, but there is about a decade of difference between them...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ll0AxIgSjeg

>>715025061
one of them is clearly reflecting doe. the light would still bounce as well. this raytracing alternative doesnt seem too good tbqh.

>>715025101
better example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6OocLAwVSs

>>715014161
>tons of samefagged replies KEEEK BRO KEEEK FUCKING GEEEG JEJ BRO
this site is so unusable

What's the point of graphics if the game"play" is like this?

>>715025259
Every example you've shown is an open area. You are surrounded by buildings.

>>715014085 (OP)
metal gear... ray
did you understand?

>>715014085 (OP)
is this supposed to look impressive?

>>715022194
Do you seriously believe that Kojima somehow magically invented light pollution simulation without mentioning it, rather than it simply being a lack of GI?

>>715014085 (OP)
Ps2 games also have ray tracing bro

>>715014161
>all this samefagging
Oof

>>715027393
No PS2 game utilized it.
https://youtu.be/qlQhJCuBYsE?t=275
4:35 if the link doesn't work.
Proof of concept.

>>715027182
I don't care what he did to achieve it to be honest. He was autistic enough to make it look as realistic as possible for the situation. Any gripes and little details some rando doesn't like are petty and should be disregarded as gay.

>>715027510
This >>715022307 is the best post of this thread

>>715014085 (OP)
my pixar 3d platformer indie game looks better than this

>>715020826
Kojima will invent a new sun

>>715028714
>can see verticies
>repeating ocean tiles
>clay texture

>>715028714
This looks like a real game, unlike DS2.

>>715014140
>>715014161

>>715028714
It doesn't, but I'm sure it runs much much worse since it looks to be UE5slop.

>>715014140
shut the hell up

>>715014140
Surprised he didn't call it Foxtracing or Farrtracing

>>715014085 (OP)
Because there is no ray tracing in that scene.
If it was ray traced GI the scene would be lit brighter due to all those particles.

The water/wet road should be reflecting the particles too but im going to guess DS2 just uses a generic screen space reflection system.

>>715014161
LMAO

>>715032189
based post, zero effort, zero compromise. OP got ratio’d by sheer force of will.

>>715014085 (OP)
Let's see.
>Screenspace reflections with very poor quality lowrrs, blurry (very cheap, nothing new)
>Very simple billboard particles with emission, no actual light
>Very simple environment, very dark scenery to hide it
>Moderate amount of actual light sources
>Probably no realtime GI or at least not visible in the screen
I guess he just made a very simple particle demo.

>>715035362
No GI at all, the car in the distance is pitch black.

>>715014140
Rex Tracing

>>715035498
You're right, assumed that but couldn't prove it. Didn't even see the car at a glance.

>>715028159
>makes a thread baffled by how hideo kojima achieved it
>LITERALLY doesnt have basic GI that games started using over a decade ago
Console graphicsfags are so pathetic

>>715019649
(You)

>>715028714
you need a better main character dude
did you guys learn nothing from penny

>>715014161
lmao amazing

>>715017497
forced foliage

I LIKE WHEN GAMES LOOK GOOD AND RUN WELL

>>715019989
>>what's light pollution
Light pollution makes you NOT see things at all, it doesn't make things pitch black next to a bright light source when you're 5 metres away from it.

>>715018657
90% of PC keks are third worlders on decade old GPUs anon

>>715037149
>decade old GPUs
then they'll have no problem running PS5 games

>>715014161
Based retard

>>715020663
Only if you're a techlet. You can clearly see how the character is lit by the lightsource on the left, while his back and right side remains dark, that's GI, something that is missing in the DS2 scene.
And even worse, there's no shadows too.

>>715037594
So it only looks bad if you're autistic?

>>715017114
oh no if you screencap the game, zoom in and squint it might look slightly pixelated scrap the game now and send all the revenue to israel ASAP

>>715037594
bro the character you see in OP has fake lights all around him like in typical vidya game fashion. also its decima so he is absolutely using the same tricks guerilla used just less pronounced in actual gameplay. you can still see all the fake lights in cutscenes because the rim lights are too damn noticeable.

>>715020298
i own division 1 but never played it. is it worth checking out?

>>715037674
It looks bad at all times, anon. It's a dark room with particle effects and pitch black environmental assets.

What's the point of this thread again? To make us think this is impressive and that raytracing isn't needed? Then you should post a game where lights are actually working.

>>715037690
might wanna see a doctor if you need to zoom in to see that

>>715014085 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_system

>>715014140
la creatividad strikes again

>>715014776
Mexican fairs.