Can we have a thread on this game WITHOUT the constant Midna shit?

Sure what do you wanna talk about? The dungeons?
We could also talk about the REAL best girl Hena

>>715117368 (OP)
lol
lmao even

>>715117885
Best dungeons of all time

>>715118526
They're pretty good. It's a shame they spread them out as far apart as they did because they wanted it to be the longest (at the time) Zelda.

>>715117368 (OP)
its fun
the wolf segments being annoying is extremely overblown and people decided they hated that part before even playing it tbqh
the dungeons are some of the best
the atmosphere is great
music is great
boss fights are great
items are probably the best in the series
one of the coolest versions of Princess Zelda
one of the coolest versions of Link
some of the best combat in the series
weak side quests though
weak world map kinda (I don't hate it though)
and obviously the beginning just isn't very good
the game gets better and better the farther you get in which is preferred over the opposite but it makes it a hard sell
OoT still has some magic to it that TP does not capture (and I played TP first) but thats fine, you can't replay OoT forever and I'm glad I played both, mostly for different reasons.

>>715117368 (OP)
>"Can we talk about Twilight Princess without Twilight Princess?"

>>715119603
It’s not like that and you know it

It had the best version of Hyrule.

>>715120319
Castle town was so badass in this game. I wish we could rent our own apartment and they made more immersive things but I guess it wasn't in the vogue at the time

>>715120157
She is legitimately the best character in all of Zelda, a franchise known for having terrible boring characters. She carries her game's story, and as far as companion characters go she is minimally intrusive to the gameplay.

>>715118526
The Temple of Time kind of sucks.

>>715118526
TP is an Aonuma game, so all the dungeons are glorified straight lines.

>>715117368 (OP)
I recently tried replaying it and just gave up before Lake Hylia. I know it gets better but it's just a total slog so I'll just keep my happy memories intact

>>715117368 (OP)
>no Twilight Princess in the Twilight Princess thread

>>715122208
>gave up before Lake Hylia
Damn, you quit right where things finally start getting good. After the third bug segment, that is.

>>715122208
people always act like its just the tutorial and maybe the 1st dungeon but the game is a massive slog all the way until after the 3rd dungeon which is a notable amount of commitment
after that point I think its a ton of fun but up until that point its just wasting your time and the first 3 dungeons are all rather underwhelming compared to what comes after

>>715117368 (OP)
no

I bet Midna has at least fantasized taking Link's knot one time, while Link fantasized fucking her in her imp form.

>Golden Goddesses directly involved in plot
What's the point of Hylia/Zelda/The Triforce if these niGGas just come and go as they please?

>>715125004
Yes

>>715117368 (OP)
Well its both the best zelda on Gamecube and the best zelda on Wii so that's pretty impressive

comfy kino
though it frustrates me that the best way to play this minigame is on the inferior version

>>715119596
>the wolf segments being annoying is extremely overblown
I never really understood this
are they fun? nah
neither is the tri-force quest on wind waker
people complain about that one too but no one acts like it ruins the entire game
essentially the wolf nonsense in TP is no longer annoying by the time you get the ability to freely switch back and forth
its really just the forced segments were too long and they're front loaded at the beginning of the game
its such a small portion of play time ultimately but people talk about it like the entire game is about being a wolf
I never really found the dark world in A Link To The Past to be all that fun either but hey it doesn't ruin the entire game at all
The issue with TP is that its just kinda dull a lot of the time
removing the wolf sections would hardly change this

I really liked TP and think the story is interesting and original while still being Zelda. The gameplay is also very fun and enjoyable but lacks many challenging enemies for you to go toe to toe with using all the special sword skills. The only two downsides of this game are that 1) the wolf form becomes pointless after you get the master sword since link with his sword is better than the wolf. 2) The sword skills replace the need for the items in the game and you can fight every enemy without needing to use items as a strategy. 3) The horse and wolf form are basically only for travel and Midna portals make them less useful.

>>715129423
why would the gamecube version be the best way to play this game

>>715130619
What about the wii version is superior?

>WITHOUT the constant Midna shit
fuck you

I didnt like the dog thing but I agree fantastic zelda and I like dark tone zelda way better than skyward sword and the botw games. My exception is wind waker because nostalgia

>>715130737
midna has feet just not the midna you want

>tfw you finally beat every mainline Zelda title just a moment ago

It was nice because I didn't have the nostalgia goggles of OoT when I started as I never played that one as a kid still, it ended up being my favorite.

Its sad because initially I didn't like TP all that much but Skyward Sword really made me appreciate it, even though SS wasn't necessarily a bad game. It's sad, the ending to SS feels oddly melancholy. I doubt the devs knew they were more or less going to reboot the games with BotW, but it feels like they did. Even the way Fi said goodbye to Link and the shot of him leaving the Master Sword felt like the end of an era. I feel both satisfied and sad now that it's over. Might go back and play some of the offshoot games just because I dont feel like saying goodbye to this era of Zelda just yet.

worth 100%ing?

>>715131506
I had a similar experience with OoT
I didn't play every mainline game but I played quite a few as a kid (TP, WW, ALTTP, TLOZ, Minish Cap) and then played OoT as an adult. I figured OoT would just be more of the same, I mean it did define the 3D formula right?
But nope, it's extremely distinct and unique, although it does define that formula. Nothing else I've ever played feels like it, and at every turn it feels clever in a way I never felt with any other entry I've played. I was happily surprised. I assumed it was over hyped for being first like many things are but it felt incredible. Even the way they ease into the story feels perfect in a way they've never pulled off since. I like TP too and this isn't an OoT thread but theres so many people who claim OoT love is nostalgia and that's just not the experience I had. It's really special and if anything people who grew up with it might have a tendency to take it for granted and not understand how it feels the first time through.

TP's atmosphere and attention to detail is incredibly underrated. Like
>>715120319
>>715129423
show, this game can really conjure a mood and tuck away a nice secret here and there. Hell, I think TP's skybox transitions are incredibly underrated as well, it really captures dawn AND twilight exceptionally well. Just a really charming game in really underappreciated ways.

>>715130662
Projectile weapon control is vastly superior and it has 4 item slots.

>>715132447
>Projectile weapon control is vastly superior
True but you slash far more than you shoot
>it has 4 item slots
this is a straight upgrade but I don't think it makes enough of a difference to put up with the wii's camera, orientation, and controls especially since TP has that extremely convenient item wheel

>>715132776
>wii's camera
I don't even know if a lot of wii players ever realized TP has a free camera on GC
I know I didn't know this until I was much older
I guess since the wii one kinda has the same camera as Ocarina I just accepted it

>>715117368 (OP)
lmao here's a memory that just popped in my head.

I remember my brother playing the wii version of TP and I told him it was my turn to use the wii or some shit, and he ended up saving in some place that literally soft locked his entire save file. i dont remember area (some small like underground cave?) because i never finished TP but i remember he raged lollll

>>715132960
there was a point in TP where you could save and it would lock you in an area permanently and ruin your save file
it was the Sky Cannon room during some story bits

>>715131827
not at all, just because many of the heart pieces are not worth it.
do everything you can but don't sweat every heart piece.

>>715132190
>It's really special and if anything people who grew up with it might have a tendency to take it for granted and not understand how it feels the first time through.

I think thats a good portion of it. That and the fact it used to be the game all the posers would hold up to prove they were some big gamer when gaming was suddenly becoming more socially accepted.

I definitely had the same mentality as you going in though, but after playing through the entire mainline series back to back (including nes/snes titles), OoT definitely ended up on top followed closely by WW. MM was in a weird spot as I expected that would be my favorite as it was one of the only Zeldas I played as a kiddo and was my favorite game in general back in the day, but now I'd consider it fairly middle of the road. TP I didn't like as much as the others just because there weren't a lot of consistent NPC's throught the story. I now kinda want to go back and 100% it to see if any of the NPC quests will stick out and maybe make some side characters more memorable.

Skyward Sword though, man was that game a mixed bag. You could just tell the passion for the series was waning and that the mandated gimmicks were getting to the devs. A lot of quests end awkwardly, it somehow manages to feel like the smallest Zelda title even though I'm sure it isnt, and the characters just weren't all that memorable. Still, the OST was 10/10 and you could tell the devs got a second wind on the second half of the game. Like I said, its a bitter sweet send-off to an era that really was wonderful. I'm torn cuz Breath of Fire 3 was next on the backlog but I'm super tempted to go for the GB/GBA titles. Kinda sappy, but I just don't wanna say goodbye to it yet.

>>715133078
damn thats it. just looked it up on youtube (that og video posted in 2006 with like 700k views) and it brought back all the memories.

what a coincidence I told my brother to get off the wii at that exact moment. it was back in 2006 when we were both pretty young and didnt have regular access to the internet and i guess i was just kinda a dumbass to not look online if it was a glitch or not

i remember feeling pretty bad at the time regardless but i think he got over it pretty quickly

>>715117368 (OP)
then what is the point? possesed Zelda?
that was creepy i guess.

>>715132878
Everyone just talks about the flipped map which is the strangest part sure but between the camera and the less cluttered UI, it ends up feeling vastly different on GC, even just ignoring how much better melee combat is.

anyone else remember thinking the graphics of TP were chadtier?

it's the best one

>wolf parts are absolute dogshit
It's a shame, wish there was more proper combat and exploration for it instead of constant fetch quests and forced fights

>>715133441
>the characters just weren't all that memorable
Apologize to the King of /v/ right now

>>715134379
/v/ will crucify me but I found the wolf parts to be more fun than then entirety of Okami

>>715133460
I remember ruining my little brother’s save of OoT because he kinda sucked a the game and needed more potions so I bottle glitched the claim check and bombchu hue cause I didn’t ever remember needing bombchus, turns out there’s exactly one area you need them and that’s Ganon’s castle. It had taken him months to get there and I felt bad so I replayed the game till that point for him

>>715134489
Groose was about the only memorable character of the lot, which is why I said "not all that" rather than "completely forgettable". Ghirahim was a solid antagonist too. Mostly its just the NPC's that were sorta boring this go around and a lot of that is chalked up to, in my opinion, the lackluster endings to a lot of their quest lines. In previous games you'd see a lot of characters through to their personal conclusions. In SS, the plots would just end in weird spots where you kept wondering if you were missing out on a trigger to get the next part of the quest. It also didn't help that a majority of the NPC's were in one location.

>>715117368 (OP)
the fishing hole was the comfiest place in the game for me

>>715118526
Some other Anon said it well, but part of the reason they're so good (or it IS the reason) is that they're actually not dungeons, but focal points of the world. The Goron mines, the Yeti mansion, the Zora waterworks factory, even the forest temple is a freshwater source for the forest. They're not just "dungeons" that randomly exist and just so happen to have loot in them, but real places that sensibly exist in the world.

>>715134684
With careful aim you can shoot an arrow through there IIRC

>>715134901
Damn, I feel kinda bad making you give me a genuine reply when I was just shitposting. To actually acknowledge what you said, yeah you don't really feel much connection to any of the SS characters, or even the world. Even as a kid, I always thought that the floating islands were WAY too small for what is supposed to be an entire civilization. Theres like what, 30 NPC's to talk to? I could even excuse the small size of the hub world if it actually had shit to do beyond, like you said, a few quests that end weirdly.

>>715134489
THE GROOSE IS LOOSE

>>715121957
That's not inherently bad in the moment, it's only a standing critique in terms of macro scale game design. Good linear levels don't feel like they're constrainingly linear in the moment. There's a great difference between a Twilight Princess dungeon and, say, a Final Fantasy corridor in terms of actual moment to moment gameplay.

>>715117368 (OP)
I HATE BUG COLLECTING

>>715117368 (OP)
>WITHOUT the constant Midna shit?
Are you one of those fags who think Midna's annoying?

I don't really understand the business decision of not allowing this game to be on the nintendo store or them just reselling it, surely your profit would be more than your output.

>>715134489
Groose is memorable but if you asked me what literally every other character is called I wouldn't be able to give an answer, this game also started the trend of zelda games having underwhelming boss designs

>>715134379
I don't understand why Wolf Link can't finish enemies like human Link. He's a feral animal for Christ's sake, he should have brutal finishing moves where he's ripping throats out

>>715135427
Skyward Sword's woldbuilding was a massive step back from Majora's Mask and Twilight Princess, even the GBA and DS games have better realized worlds than Skyward Sword, SS is the most "Not a world, just levels" Zelda game since the NES.

>>715135804
There's a version of Impa in SS that is kind of a cunt and you get to rub it in her nose and of course it later turns out she's the past version of the old lady in the temple, but other than that nothing really stands out, SS' world is barren as fuck, there's nothing in the surface but a few random creatures with no discernible culture or society and the sky is legit just a small village of inbred ugos.

>>715135686
They've followed the same drip feed mentality since the Wii. They probably think if they drop everything at once it'll be too overwhelming for consoomers.

>>715135686
People were mystified as to why out of all the Wii U games that got ported to the Switch Nintendo witheld Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD, but now that the Switch 2 has released with a GameCube virtual console the truth is laid bare, it's to entice people to pay for the GC service with the original versions.

>>715120319
I dont get why people hate TP's overworld so much. Its a fucking FIELD. Fields are EMPTY. yes theres nothing to do in them but thats been a problem since OoT, which I'd argue is the worst offender of it

If you just come to terms with it being a big empty FIELD, it looks neat and theres at least a good amount of stuff tucked away to stumble on

>>715136158
Unironically sell the HD versions while having the originals on the virtual console. Retards will pay for both

>>715122360
>catch all these bugs
>*sigh* FINE
>thats all of them, let me have fun again
>trek ALL the way down to castle town and get this single fucking bug by the gates so you can come all the way back up to open the area
WHY, AONUMA

>>715136254

it looks ugly

>>715136254
There's some stuff to do like the caves and the ocassional minigame but yeah, a lot of people don't understand the necessity for empty space in games that are going for that fully-realized world feel, without the open fields your game just ends up feeling like a level-select screen.

>>715136359
The bugs are not required, they're a fully optional sidequest, you don't even have to ever interact with Agitha if you don't want to.

>>715135427
Nah, I agreed with the shitpost. Im also just itching to talk about SS as its the one game in the mainline series that left me the most conflicted.
>>715135804
Some of the bosses had okay designs. Like the rest of the game, its a mixed bag all around. The parasite and the kraken come to mind as having genuinely good designs. The demise fight was really cool, and then there was that six armed metal guy fight. Nothing else really sticks out in my mind though.
>>715136024
The Sky is barren, the actual "zones" have quite a bit packed into them but like you said, theres not much rhyme or reason put into the level design in terms of lore or making unique enemies per area (this is later so much worse in BotW/TotK in terms of enemy variety). The problem is the zones feel almost like Mario levels rather than Zelda levels. They just aren't believable as part of a fantasy world making even the N64 titles more immersive. Now the second half of the game when you revisit them they tend to do some really cool stuff with them, but again, they just feel devoid of substance in a lot of ways.

>>715133682
>stoic recluse(not her fault)
>cute as a button with visible cleavage
>sacrifices herself to save a dying midna
>comes back at the end for a kickass tennis match
love her

>>715136505
He means the tears you collect as wolf link

>>715118526
I've always felt Majora's had the best dungeon layouts.

>>715136505
tears of light you dingdong, not the bugs

>>715136380
no u

>>715136517
She's my favourite because of how she doesn't actually have any relationship to link. They meet for the first time when he's a fucking mutt and she has no choice but to place her hopes in this literally who. At the end of the game, her and Link are at best war buddies, nothing more. They overcame a tragedy, bid farewell to a friend, and then went home.

>>715133682
Like a lot of stuff in TP, Zelda's depiction is probably one of the most realistic in the franchise, she's not an anime princess randomly mingling with the commoners, but an actual royal who has no reason to have a relationship with a random farmhand from the southern lands, outside of destiny tying them together as the hero and the goddess.
As such, Zelda is purposefully presented as a far away figure, she helps Link out of necessity but has nothing in common with him, and once the crisis is averted and the world is saved he returns to his quiet farm life and she ascends to the throne as queen.

>>715136687
I fucking love gamecube water

BRAVO, aonuma

>>715136687
God why did they think having the entire Hyrule Field map on screen was a good idea? Look at how much space it takes up, could've easily only displayed one zone at a time. Christ.

>limited money
>barely anything to buy in the shops
>dungeons love to put rupees in chests

>>715136635
Even stupider complaint then, there's portals outside of the city and in the lake, going back and forth takes a few seconds.

>>715136927
You can toggle the map off you know?

>>715136927
anon...you can hide the map....

>>715136927
Retro jank, comes with the territory.

>>715136982
or you could just have all the bugs be at the river's head

>>715137000
>>715137001
Oh I know, I'm not retarded. It just shouldn't be that massive to begin with. It's a dumb oversight and I'm surprised it made it through testing. Even worse on Wii version, too. UI has always been a sticking point for these Nintendo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOs1mksL5I4

>>715136940
Easy fix

>>715117368 (OP)
>Midna shit?

You can Ganondorf deez nuts

>>715117368 (OP)
Zant's boss fight still lives in my head

man, they dont make em like they used to

The only thing that might make me buy a switch 2 would be a remaster of this, why they leave it stuck on the wii u is baffling

I only like 2D zelda games, and only a few of them. I wish I could enjoy any 3D Zelda, but they all bore the shit out of me. Midna is cute, just wish I could enjoy her game.

>>715144730
play prodigal fagboy

>>715117368 (OP)
>can we have a twilight princess thread without the twilight princess
are you literally retarded?

just threw the gc version on my 'eck. Only ever played it on wii at launch so I'm interested to go back to it.

>>715135686
My gamer theory is that implementing Miiverse into wind waker and twilight princess, two very old gamecube era games was a headache and they found it easier to just simply wait and release the originals on the switch 2 instead.

>>715136625
Majora has the best dungeon in the series (stone temple) but the other three are just good. Solid, even.

>>715143635
Watching people try and use everything except the boomerang is infuriating, they don't even remember the arena

I played it with a 4x damage with hearts cheat recently and it was fun. I did cheese the absolute shit out of the Cave of Ordeals, of course.

>>715148997
*without hearts
I bought lots of potions.

>>715149043
True

>>715117368 (OP)
It's a comfy game with great atmosphere and music. Dungeons are cool. Most of the characters have scary faces but that's pretty normal for 3d Zelda games.

>>715144405
It’s such a shame idk why they don’t have a B team making traditional Zelda still

>>715117368 (OP)
Post porn

>>715117368 (OP)
I don't know what it is about this game but it felt boring...like there was a lack of energy to it or something.

>>715118526
>>715118735
>>715135145

TP's dungeons are almost all shit because they are so utterly braindead. Every OoT temple and every MM dungeon except the first one is better than every TP dungeon.

The only decent TP dungeons are the arbiter's grounds and the manor, and after those two the dungeons just get worse and worse.

>>715152695
It's because the game never challenges you at any point, and the story also loses all momentum and urgency halfway through.

>>715154840
Completely false. Gordon Mines and Faron Woods are both better than anything in OOT and Majora outside of Stone Tower Temple.

>>715117368 (OP)
OK, here's wolf link.

this game was awesome when I played it when I was 10. I don't know if it holds up

>>715117368 (OP)
midna is a nortubel tier character

What version should I play, GC or Wii U?

I know it has a lot of QoL changes like WW with the triforce quest. But I don't know the game to understand the differences.

>>715155890
play it again it does

>>715117368 (OP)
>can we have a discussion about this game without discussing the only noteworthy thing about it?
Jeez, I dunno OP, what do you think?

>>715156067
scroll up and see fag
>>715155916
Wii U is the best version by a mile. Best graphics, frame rate, polish, etc.

>>715156063
I'm going through ocarina of time right now and I want to do majora's mask after. maybe after those if I'm not burnt out on zelda by then

>>715154840
all of TP dungeons are better than all of OoT dungeons

i wish it didnt have the wolf and was just a little bit less railroaded

Not happening

>>715117368 (OP)
Sure, I love TP, it's absolutely my second or first favorite 3D Zelda, from its music to aesthetics to dungeon design, it's pretty up there. I think if it incorporated a magic meter somehow that would have been cool. Fuck if I know how that would work with what we got though.

>>715134587
/v/ is just mad that they kept getting game overs in the wolf parts, thansk to the double damage

>>715134489
Anon he's just the exception

>>715135858
and then he rapes the wound

>>715117368 (OP)
Here's a question.

Why was Link turned into a wolf? I can understand that Link has a wolf-like spirit, but it's all to convenient that he was turned into an apex predator.

>>715130113
The problem is that the wolf is THE main differentiating mechanic in TP that despite weaving itself into both the gameplay and story sucks complete ass. The segments where it's mandatory are boring and extremely braindead straightforward. The wolf is less interesting from a gameplay perspective than a single transformation mask from MM, which had 3 of them.
>I never really found the dark world in A Link To The Past to be all that fun either but hey it doesn't ruin the entire game at all
my guy, the dark world is like half the game lol

>>715130662
brother, the wii version is superior to the gcn version in every possible way.

>>715148968
that boss sucks ass and is just an exercise in rememebering which item goes where with no logic to it

>>715162708
>no free camera
>waggle shit everywhere
>flipped map and link
nope

>>715117368 (OP)
Sure. I was probably the last OP to post Midnass. I can give you my 2 actual cents on TP.
>Story is poorly made
>The worst 3D take on Hyrule of the series
The game totally captivated me, especially the first time, but throughout the game you start to feel like this is maybe the worst 3D Zelda so far, despite being one of the coolest-looking Zeldas yet. It doesn't recreate the "magic" of Ocarina of Time, which is part from its "Mario: The Movie" (I mean the old one) approach to art-direction, but especially that despite copying OoT's structure 1:1, it doesn't tell a very coherent narrative like OoT or even Wind Waker did.

I replayed it about 4 years ago, and I found upon inspection that they're starting from the wrong end. It looks like some things happen in-medias-res, but actually they're just botching the expository writing. The game isn't just "intentionally confusing" in the first Wolf Segment, it's accidentally confused, where what you see isn't really explained well, and you get the sense that even the designers of the game were unsure what they wanted you to feel.

The dungeons are great, and it has a lot of innovation compared to Wind Waker, but what stops it in its tracks to me is how it fails to build out its narrative within the OoT-format. When Zant shows up after the 3rd dungeon it's dramatic sure, but it doesn't "pivot" the whole narrative like how ALttP/OoT revealed a "Dark/Grown Up world" and it doesn't reveal the gigaton that Hyrule still exists under the sea like in Wind Waker.

From here, the narrative proceeds to crumble itself, but there's 4 dungeons to go before you notice it's happening. By the time Ganondorf is inserted as the villain it dawns on you that you don't even know what exactly he's doing this time.

is there anything good about the wolfshit gameplay? feels like a big waste of potential
the idea of a lttp style dark world transformation that's actually useful isn't bad on paper, but wolflink was never interesting to play as

>>715163151
They clearly decided on the wolf thing without prototyping which is uncharacteristic of Nintendo to be honest.

>>715163151
They, for sure, didn't know why they started making it. There's a couple of times in the last 2 dungeons where it's required, but that reads like they just remembered it was still in the game and had to do something about it.

TP is by far the most unfocused and under-designed Zelda in the series. Even Skyward Sword has more design-consistency and clear vision than TP does, but ultimately TP is more popular because as a game it has a Linearized ALttP structure, great dungeon concepts and bosses, and there's definietly something melancholically epic about how it all looks. It's just a bit of a mess narratively. Trying harder than Ocarina of Time but kinda telling less of a story with it.

>>715163360
The whole game reads like that. You can tell this is the game where they felt they had to address the wishlist from their fans for the first time, instead of every previous Zelda game where they made what they wanted, until it became clear that WW wasn't only controversial with fans, but it didn't sell well based on its visual appeal, so they reluctantly started doing things that they probably didn't want to.

In Iwata Asks Aonuma also recalls that this was the Zelda project where he and other higher-ups on the game had the most heated arguments about "What even is a Zelda game"

>>715163151
As far as I can see the big conceptual failure of TP is the fact that it simply never has a Dark World. It's following the same structure as ALttP with a very similar story, but the "Twilight" which is this game's Dark World, is frontloaded between the first 3 dungeons, and it's cleansed out of Hyrule before the second half of the game starts, leaving behind the potential of Wolf Link having to deal with those Cyber Creatures, and possibly having a lot more stuff with Midna interacting with Wolf Link for gameplay.

It just seems like they literally forgot about the Twilight concept halfway through the game.

rough sweaty tomboy sex with Ashei

>>715143091
I liked the final battle so much, if only it was harder. The opening drums in the final duel will forever live rent free in my mind
have a nice remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkemQk8j4Fw

>>715148968
Final Exam bosses are always fun

Did you get stuck?

Insanely easy and simple game with some of the most overrated gameplay, combat and dungeons in the entire series and some truly awful mechanics and features
Disaster!

is there a more autistic and pretentious fanbase than zelda fandom?

>>715163749

>>715164275
Undertale

>>715162940
>The game isn't just "intentionally confusing" in the first Wolf Segment, it's accidentally confused, where what you see isn't really explained well, and you get the sense that even the designers of the game were unsure what they wanted you to feel.
How so?

>>715117368 (OP)
why are humans and hylians not the same thing?
is zelda a racist franchise?

>>715164103
How the fuck did anyone get stuck in this puzzle? It's not Baba is You.

>>715164674
During the first Wolf segment you see a lot of shit, and spirits of Hylians from the "other side" to show that the worlds are merging. While it kind of makes sense it isn't very clear what the real issue with it is, and this is supposed to be the big "threat" of the whole game.

Hylians get scared that there's some ghost-rats, but it's not like they touch each other.

Of course, Ganondorf at the end says he wanted to "merge light and shadow, to create DARKNESS" but that's only at the very end --- that exposition is actually missing in many early parts of the story as it doesn't instinctively make sense what's going on with these "Twilight" clouds or the fact that Ganon is ultimately behind it.

And the bad part is that by the time Ganondorf explains his motivation, he has failed. There's nothing anywhere, and he basically didn't even get his master plan off the ground before Link and Midna sealed it away in the first half of the story, ridding it of suspense.

In Wind Waker and Ocarina the very final Boss Fight runs on the premise that Ganon has already failed, but that happens during the fight, so the tension leading INTO the fight is that "Ganondorf is about to get his wishes fulfilled, stop him." but then the final 1-v-1 encounter is all about Ganon being enraged and just wanting to take Link and Zelda down with his own demise.

That isn't true in TP. In TP, Ganon fails about 1/3 into the narrative. He has a chance to undo it, but Zant fails, and when Zant fails, you just confront Ganon, and have 4 roundabout boss phases of pure melodrama where he has no headway into his own scheme. Perhaps if Link failed, he would take Midna and restart it, but the dramatic momentum isn't there in the finale.

That makes the storytelling terrible, and a lot of that is compounded by missing or confusingly vague exposition in the first chapter, and subsequent blowing the narrative load before the story even got properly started, with the "Twilight" zones.

>>715164967
You'd be surprised.

>>715163536
retard should have listened to miyamoto when he said to change the graffix

>>715165183
>Of course, Ganondorf at the end says he wanted to "merge light and shadow, to create DARKNESS" but that's only at the very end --- that exposition is actually missing in many early parts of the story as it doesn't instinctively make sense what's going on with these "Twilight" clouds or the fact that Ganon is ultimately behind it.
I don't see why the game should "spoil" itself earlier on with exposition. It would make me lose my unquisitive attitude about what exxxactly is the plan
>And the bad part is that by the time Ganondorf explains his motivation, he has failed. There's nothing anywhere, and he basically didn't even get his master plan off the ground before Link and Midna sealed it away in the first half of the story, ridding it of suspense.
He just needs to kill you, considering he easily dispatched Midna. Too bad Link is Link.
>Perhaps if Link failed, he would take Midna and restart it, but the dramatic momentum isn't there in the finale.
Yeah I just disagree with this, if Link fails, the world is over. There is plenty of dramatic tension in this, well, as much as in any Zelda game.
>That makes the storytelling terrible
Objectively not.

>>715117368 (OP)
I love TP's water temple. The atmosphere, paying attention to the flow of water from the rooms, everything is so great. The boss is kinda easy I guess, but at least it also looks great.

>>715117368 (OP)
>didnt replay tp because i was waiting for tp hd switch port
>switch port was never even a thing
hello i hate leaker fags

>Kawagoe: The part that I genuinely like the best is the movie in the latter half of the game where […………].
>Iwata: There is no way we're going to reveal that now!
>All:(laughter)
>Iwata: Well, we've got the equipment all set up here, so let's go ahead and watch the scene.
>(The movie is shown)
>Kawagoe: The reason you can hear a horse neighing in the background is because as a developer it was actually a little embarrassing to make such an un-Zelda-like movie, and the neighing of the horse is the expression of the embarrassment we felt in making the movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4UYayCJM5U

>>715165692
It's just amateurishly written in my experience. It doesn't quite "hit" how it's meant to, and there's a lot of wishy-washiness to the script as a whole.

I'll definitely come up with some more direct examples when it's inevitably added to NSO. I plan to destroy TP once and for all, with reservations I've had since I played it as a 12-year-old in 2006. I always felt like the game doesn't do what it's trying to do.

>>715135561
It's very bad when they are all boring and formulaic just doing the same shit the previous games already did but even slower.

>>715166858
>Brainlet IGN take on TP.
Go back.

Hottest Zelda design

Threadly reminder that Twili Midna is the true patrician choice, but you kids ain't ready for this discussion.

>>715166520
Heh....you will FAIL, because it's time for the "this is actually the best Zelda" crowd to wake up.
Wait till they start bringing up how Zant is commentary on being a power hungry incel and you will disintegrate, man.

>>715163749

>>715166942
God-tier level design btw

The older I get the more I appreciate Ordon Village.
https://youtu.be/qHCJZNZfeg0

>>715167186
>Heh....you will FAIL, because it's time for the "this is actually the best Zelda" crowd to wake up.
No. You guys were always stupid teenagers who put Linkin Park up next to Hannah Montana music as "high art" while others are listening to Sting or Abba, to me.

>>715166972
It's implied she's Link's half-sister in this one, so Ganon can have her this time.

>>715167546
>You guys
Many chips on your shoulders, bro, get it looked by someone.

>>715167426
If you don't like the intro, for me, you are a lout.

>>715167809
I don't need a therapist to psyop me when I've been set in my mind about TP being mediocre since I was 12.

>>715167624
no it isn't

>>715167997
Let the man dream

>I don't need a therapist to tell me I make moronic comparisons and I can't say anything about tp besides a more verbose "it's bad 'cause I don't like it"
>I am too stubborn to change my mind
Intriguing, very interesting.
Not gonna give you a (You).

What's there to talk about? It's the worst 3D Zelda by a country mile.

>>715163749

>>715168353
Worse than Skyward Sword? No. Absolutely not.

>>715168353
Only worse than two 3d Zeldas, OOT and MM.

>>715168512
Skyward sword has a better artstyle and better dungeons. The annoying shit was removed in the HD port.

>>715168769
>and better dungeons
Only a contrarian would say that.

>>715168353
how many city-slicker miles would that be?

>715168353
>715168769
what terrible posts. this kind of trolling doesn't even deserve full (You)s

>>715164275
undertale/deltroone

>>715164275
no

>>715168353
dogs bark at what they cannot understand, to bring the discussion down to their level.

>>715118526
Never understood this. The TP dungeons were pretty ass

>>715164275
Sonic, undertale, final fantasy, kingdom hearts in the old days

>>715163749

>>715117368 (OP)
I want to watch Midna get knotted

>>715164275
>pretentious
??

>>715170540
It’s fact that no other Zelda game has better dungeons

>>715169064
I don’t remember this character

>>715172145
she's cute

This game felt next gen back then. I wanna go back

>>715172218
ah ok I remember her now

>>715162847
Free camera is a joke. It snaps back to follow Link on movement, so you can swing the camera around as you run like in WW. Pisses me off.

>>715163749

>>715168894
1 city slicker mile = 2-3 blocks

TP was the last Zelda I played and I fucking hated it. The spooky/serious mood felt completely unearned in comparison to Majora's Mask and mostly felt like an overcorrection to Wind Waker reception. Ganon/Ganondorf fight has way too many forms and stretches on forever. Overworld was wayyyyy too big and empty and Wolf Link was boring as shit. First time in the series when the key-shaped item really stood out to me with things like the Iron Ball and Spinner (I did love the Spinner and I kept trying to see if there was some way to increase movement speed with it when I played). There are some cool moments like the Skeleton/Spinner boss, the snow mansion, I liked the invincible armor conceptually and how it looked, and OoT Link was cool (even if it further underlined how much they were trying to sell the game as OoT2.)

>>715171362
Ocarina of Time has better dungeons IMO but yeah, TP is probably second.

OoT > MM > TP > WW > SS

>>715173965
Exactly. You know this is true when you compare Gibdos or ReDeads from Arbiter's Grounds to the ReDeads in Wind Waker, and WW has scarier enemies than TP does. It feels only superficially dark. OoT, MM and WW feel dark in spirit, and not just superficially.

>>715174143
grow up

TP > MM > SS > WW > OoT

i'd like to play this game but i shan't be playing at 30fps

>>715174258
Ironically I find OoT/WW/MM are the grown up games. They have a genuine air of maturity where the darkness contrasts the happy and colorfulness of their games. TP feels "noir" and it's fucking boring.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2tXLsEUpaQ

I think Phantom Hourglass was more fun to explore the sea in than WW.

>>715168769
the only thing the hd port changed were the controls which are still shitty and gimmicky

The bit where you go back in time through the door of the Temple of Time is kino
https://youtu.be/9AWN5YdBOz0

>>715174465
>saying "grown up games" unironically
>linking gay youtube video to prove your point

You will never grow up.

>>715174518
i really want ph/st remakes with more normal controls

>>715174812
I think it'd be doable. They're both really fun.

https://youtu.be/VE2Dc1sx71U

>>715174812
there's already hacks that pretty much do that

>>715174143
All I can say is that WW has massive pacing/content issues, but I enjoy the setting. Going to flooded Hyrule and seeing everything frozen in time was such a cool moment, the King was a great character with a satisfying ending (he and Midna are both really good companions), playing around with Link and Zelda's personas more as archetypes than characters themselves.. it's hard for me to replay with how uneven, easy, and padded it is, but the payoff feels good. I just don't get that from TP, which mechanically, is a much better game. Oh yeah, and I fucking hated Zant. Stupid character.

>>715117368 (OP)
>gothic dark fantasy art style
>melancholic music with piano, violins, flute, choirs, and HOWLING
>fun and emotional story about facing your inner fears, with an incredibly heartbreaking bittersweet ending
>the only game in the series where Link has an actual personality and character arc
>Midna is bursting with charisma, personality, sassiness, and her relationship with Link is great. Goes from sexo to ultra sexo. Best companion in the franchise
>cold kuudere Queen Zelda with mature giga Stacy personality
>ability to turn into a WOLF and fight twilight beasts from alternative reality
>fully explorable Hyrule castle town filled with NPCs and activities
>multiple armors that all have their own unique functions
>aggressive combat system with multiple secret techniques learned from the previous incarnation of Link
>City In The Sky, Arbiter's Grounds, Snowpeak Ruins, Temple Of Time, Hyrule Castle, Palace Of Twilight
>dungeons requiring you to use a spiked metal ball with a chain, a mechanical bay blade that lets you ride across walls, and magnetic boots that let you walk on ceilings
>wrestling, snowboarding, kayak swimming, goat riding, fishing, ball rolling, bug collecting, vessels of light, white water rafting, cave of ordeals, etc, etc
>cast of side characters that include a small weak beta village boy learning to be the next hero of Hyrule besides Link, a goth tomboy knight girl, coward father who ran away to join the Resistance, gothic formicophilia lolita queen, an androgynous Indian cowboy protector of children in a wild west village, three year old baby who's a master businessman, a clown creating basically machine of war, elf journalist version of Otacon, and amnesiac nature/animal lover girl

kino of the highest caliber and best Zelda desu. it takes me back to 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Nq-gEG-E04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtYg_N7yWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKYePYfVbYY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SpXIsiuvzc

>>715118526
lmao kys you shit taste faggot

I'm still optimistic we'll get classic 2D Zeldas from time to time, but are we just fucked with the 3D format?

>>715170540
Only retarded gamecube trannies think TP had good dungeons

>>715175301
buddy we haven't even gotten an all new 3d zelda in the botw format after 8 years. It's over for the classic format

>>715175208
No anon, it's not DEEP and MATURE like Wind Waker

>>715174795
>y-you will never grow up
>calls everything he doesn't like gay
Deliciously ironic.

>>715174763
We've done Temple of Time in three mainline Zelda games since OoT (unless I'm missing handhelds). Kinda lost the magic at this point

He's the fucking coolest

>>715175886
easily best link

>>715175480
>anon uses the word gay once
>you call e v e r y t h i n g you don't like gay!

nta but holy hell. you just proved his point

>>715176554
you only proved your autism with that post however

>>715175208
it's actually incredible that they gave up on making traditional 3d zelda games

>>715117368 (OP)
My dude... Why do you think people like TP... midna is one of the only redeeming qualities of this game. I'd say another is the atmosphere. Maybe some of the music. That's about it.

>>715175208
>setting
True true
>bittersweet ending
OoT and WW had these too
>character arc
OoT, WW, TP, and SS all had Links with prologues
>Midna
Good companion but 95% of the game's discussion is just "I wanna fuck that imp"
>Zelda
Boring Zelda who does almost nothing until the ending
>wolf
Awful awful mechanic. Like making Dark World bunny Link a selling point. Most people only stomach it because of Midna grunts
>combat
Very good expansion of the WW context-sensitive attacks and general OoT swordplay
>dungeons
Yah no complaints dungeons are thematically awesome
>items
Some absolute fucking stinkers here with items you knew were never gonna get any play outside of their dungeon except for a random heart piece
>minigames
Yeah
>cast
Pretty good except I always think of the chicken with tits and floating head and it makes me hats the artstyle/characters

>>715174258
>>715174795
>>715176554
Stop bullying autistic children. It's not cool

>>715175301
You should genuinely kill yourself if you want more OoT clones like TP and SS.

>>715174465
>That video
>SpongebobAndPatrickOnTheWeenieHutCoaster.jpg

>>715176881
Why? I'm better than you.

>>715176881
Why? Does it trigger your gender dysphoria?

IMP SEX

>>715163749
Built for BLC

>>715176935
Because OoT clones are garbage and are specifically designed for stupid people (per the creators own words).

>>715174970
A bit lazy. What's this music even from?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orgwe5wokNo

>>715174795
Grown up as in, mature of mind.
OoT/WW are games that contain child-friendly/family-friendly stories with universal themes and messages about life. TP is a game that doesn't know what it's doing, but it has some edgy battles and Ganondorf looking really "EVIL" and "SINISTER" despite having the depth of a puddle compared to his appearance especially in Wind Waker.
It feels immature in its ability to convey its themes.

>>715177246
you keep proving his point about you with every single post

Arbiters Grounds was my favorite dungeon and area. Desert + Undead aesthetic is so cool.

The mini-boss is the highlight for me. Cutting the one rope on the sealed sword causing all the other seals to fail afterwards.

>>715177246
Ganondorf was lying through the skin of teeth during this speech and people still fell for it.

are there more cancerous creatures than OoT babies?

>>715173965
Aonuma doesn't know how to do anything except overcorrect. Skyward Sword was an overcorrection of TP's messy and disorganized overworld structure to a much more railroaded fetch quest experience comparable to an obstacle course. BOTW is an overcorrection of SS's railroaded structure with wide open spaces filled with nothing.

>>715176875
The irony of someone defending Toilet Paper saying this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McKddLtjpUo
This is the dark and mature story you're pretending is good.

>>715117368 (OP)
>The best combat of any Zelda ever
>The trend didn't continue past this game
>BotW/TotK kids say their game has the best gameplay (they don't and it's actually shit)

Fucking hate nu-zelda and nu-zelda fans (literal children)

>>715177523
>posts one of the best cutscenes in the entire series with great unnerving horror atmosphere, cinematography, and a message about how greed and fear are eternally tied to human nature, whether we like it or not

wow. you really showed him

>>715177763
>posts one of the best cutscenes in the entire series
Tendies are mentally ill.

WW baby having a meltdown

>>715177746
botw had better combat than tp desu

>>715177412
>much more railroaded fetch quest experience comparable to an obstacle course.
Because it's a distillation of the OoT formula in its purest form. It's not an overcorrection, they thought that's what people wanted.

>>715177412
Tbh BotW was a good refresh for the series even if it didn't stick the landing. They desperately needed to break away from the typical Zelda structure after SS

>>715177746
Shame

>>715178412
>cinematic, canned animations
>this is supposed to be an exmaple of good combat
Seriously?

>>715177763
>great unnerving horror atmosphere
Yeah pupilless eyes. Haunting bro. I'm literally shaking. How old were you when you first played TP

>>715164275
We aren't pretentious, we do just get exactly what we say we do out of the games and genuinely enjoy them that much, because they're really that good when at their best. Huge swaths of the series are completely mediocre though, and that includes most of TP.

>>715178334
I like the core of BOTW but it even with delays it was clearly rushed out and Nintendo have failed to refine it since

>>715177246

Ocarina Of Time & Wind Waker

>Have to spell out their entire message to you by in-game character

Twilight Princess

>Conveys its central theme and message about fear and how it affects the human mind via gameplay and visuals alone

really makes you think

>>715178764
Yeah TotK was a massive disappointment especially for that dev cycle. Don't really have faith in the team any more especially when they took itemization in the complete opposite direction with generalization and tacked on awful mechanics like crafting and degradation on top of that

>>715178653
>We aren't pretentious
>proceeds to write pretentious up his own ass post
kek. zeldafags not only pretentious but also lacking any self awareness

>>715178334
SS was not the typical Zelda structure

>>715164275
No.

>>715179191
True, the OoT formula is not the typical Zelda structure

>>715178003
The distillation of OOT to its purest form is OOT. It’s literally in the sentence.

>>715178950
Whoa is that a Cthulu reference...?! Man, this Zelda game sure is hardcore.

>>715165183
>subsequent blowing the narrative load before the story even got properly started, with the "Twilight" zones.
This is one of the worst things the game does. It's completely backwards on a bunch of levels simultaneously, it makes exploration of a new area completely unsatisfying by forcing you to 'pre-explore' the area before you can do anything, before letting you still barely do much once you get to go through it again 'properly'. And that's on top of the narrative and structure issues of introducing this major thing first off, then having it immediately disappear after being nothing but an annoyance preventing you from doing anything but hit a bunch of bugs, and hence just losing this 'thing' that should clearly lead to deeper development and interplay.

>>715179191
Okay, the typical 3D structure up to that point. I guess SS added pointless backtracking to make the world seem deeper

>>715175480
People that post laughing reaction images are usually insufferable and or coping

>>715175208
Take me back

>>715117368 (OP)
why is the wolf link 3d model so damn fat and ugly?
nintendo is usually pretty good at designing their 3d characters but it has smudgy textures and shading that makes it look like plastic, kinda shameful when star fox adventures did amazing fur on the same hardware

>>715117368 (OP)
Sure, I hate most of the twilight segments and they feel like they're holding me back from the real gameplay

>>715117368 (OP)
The only things about this game that I don't like is how easy it is, automatically raising the shield when you lock on and how rarely they break your stance, and when they do there's rarely a follow up attack, I hate hard mode in zelda games, I want stronger, more durable enemies that make me have to use the hidden skills to get an advantage, instead they just make them deal double damage (which is not much) and make it so that hearts never drop, which is nothing but tedious, because you have to stop what you're doing to go get a potion.

This game is also the worst example of a zelda game giving you way too many rupees because there's literally nothing to buy, shops rarely ever have something unique to purchase, only things that I can think of is the hylian shield (which you lose any reason to use the wooden shield) and the hawkeye, and you buy those very early in the game, the rest of the game is pointless stuff like bombs.

>>715117368 (OP)
Its good till you get near the end where you can see devs had to cut curners and delete content.
Lots of unfinished things.

>>715117368 (OP)
One of the best GameCube games. TP feels like a solid adventure outside of a few annoying filler sections. The dungeons are constantly fun.

>>715178950
>OoT was about the fear of growing up
>MM was about the fear of death
>WW was about the fear of change
>TP is about fear itself

Kino. I do agree that TP has a lot more interesting Lovecraftian themes and conveys them a lot more subtly. Zant for example appears graceful, collected, and intelligent, but once he takes off his mask he reveals his true pathetic nature, wobbling around like a madman. an overly ambitious man who seeks higher powers and knowledge but falls to his own madness in doing so is a classic Lovecraftian archetype. he also a broken mirror of sorts that symbolizes what Midna could've become which is pretty cool

>>715181114
Huh

>>715117368 (OP)
>Midna shit
Please please don't put those two words together OP or some anon is going to post Midna scat porn

>>715181114
Favorite part was them building up Zant as this powerful intelligent cool-headed sorcerer and when the mask is finally lifted you just realize he was completely insane. I liked the creepy ending where it's hinted he's still alive and had some control over Ganon. Extremely creepy game. Kino allegory too. I do wish Wind Waker wasn't in a separate timeline from MM and TP, makes it feel a bit distant.

When I first played the game I was way more into Ilia than Midna. Probably because I was just hitting puberty at the time and Ilia had the same proportions as the girls in my class at school who were also hitting puberty at that time.

But now that I'm a dirty old man it's Midna (imp) all the way.

>>715182965
nobody even thought of it until you came in at 300 posts in

>>715183313
for me, it was always the tit queen bartender and real form midna, but i also desperately wanted to be /ss/'d

>>715183328
I did

>>715175886
It was a huge breath of fresh air to get a Link with actual personality and character arc. His design is top notch too. Definitely the best Link in the series

I've been thinking about replaying TP. Is the HD version worth it?

>>715184049
I think he's the best Link design but you're a retarded faggot if you think he's the only one with personality or a character arc. Either you're entirely too generous to TP or too stingy with the entire series. I wouldn't say any Link has incredible writing but MM Link has a much stronger personality.

>>715184143
Fuck yes it is it’s a shame it’s not on Switch yet

>>715184049
>Link with actual personality and story arc
>OoT/MM Link
>WW Link
>SS Link
?

>>715184429
I saw some screenshot and apparently Ilia has downs in HD. I was worried they fucked up the art style, but I guess that's not the case?

>>715184635
It’s not it’s the best looking version by a mile

>>715155290
Goron mines was so fucking cool you can walk upside down on the ceiling and the miniboss for the bow was a lot of fun. I loved firaga’s fight, even if ‘‘twas really easy

>>715183313

>>715163151
>is there anything good about the wolfshit gameplay?
Talking to animals, chasing scents(illia), and the attack on ordina t the beginning where you have to sneak around your village while everything’s on fire and your neighbors think you’re another twilit beast

>>715164275
Sonic
Dark souls
Sonic
Pokémon
Sonic
Kingdom hearts
Sonic

>>715184143
HD version is cool. Master Mode makes it a little more interesting. I played it through in master mode without collecting any heart containers and the Ganondorf amiibo debuff which makes you take ×4 damage. Anything that did 1 heart of damage or more was an instakill.

>>715184794
Ilia if she real

>>715184794
Cute horsegirl gf

>>715177958
Absolutely fucking not

>>715183313
>>715184794
God she’s so perfect

>>715184049
yeah all the other ones are pretty one note and are strong only at the start. TP Link is the only one that has a consistently strong personality and motivation throughout the entire game in every single cutscene. he also has a lot of smart and subtle characterization that is shown to you instead of told

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YTfv4zlYiQ&t=6s&ab_channel=KingJ.Grim

It's crazy to me how they were basically forced to make this game and supposedly hated it yet it turned out so well. Most successful title until BotW happened.

>>715184730
I don't know, man, the more I see of it the less I like it. It looks like another case of The Fog

>>715185169
Does it change anything? Any QoL modifications or whatever? WW HD offered a lot more than just excessive bloom

>>715183313
>>715184794
Imagine doing it with her in the water during sunset while all the animals watch

>>715162538
I don't think anyone would say it isn't a problem, it just doesn't ruin the entire game.
The gimmick isn't good, but it doesn't dominate the game so there's plenty to still enjoy about TP (most of the game in fact).

>>715187389
Is having sex in ankle high water any fun?

>>715162708
actually anon the GC version is superior to the wii version in every possible way
take that!!

>>715186119
Overthinking tf out of it bro

It's hard to enjoy the GameCube and HD versions because it's inverted compared to what I'm used to. It all feels backwards.

>>715187561
How is it overthinking when the image on the right is clearly more gray and washed out than the one on the left?

The sky temple is the best Zelda temple, best item, best boss, and it is the house of those creepy things.

>>715117368 (OP)
Zant is unappreciated

>>715184730
insane
I started it thinking it'd be fine enough but ended up switching to Dolphin after about an hour
its actually so much more offensive than Wind Waker HD to me but everyone talks about that one for some reason

>>715117368 (OP)
Why the fuck can't I post

>>715187460
having sex in water in general is annoying
most people who fuck in random places do it out of either impulse or novelty
they aren't min/maxing pleasure or anything

>>715187650
I get what you mean but I felt kinda the opposite
I grew up with the Wii one but when I played GC it all made more sense
The entire map looked better
turns out you can't just flip a map and pretend it'll be the same experience kek
I can't look at the wii one now without feeling like its awkwardly designed
That being said, the HD version has Hero Mode which has the flipped map

>>715187961
How easy is it to play the Wii version on Dolphin? I don't want to have to dig out my old console. Is it just a case of binding the wiimote shake to a button?

>>715188312
No idea, I played GC with widescreen hacks
But I did play Galaxy as well and yea I bound the shaking to a controller button and it worked perfectly (best way I've ever played Galaxy easily)

>>715188430
I guess that's an option, too. I've only ever played the Wii version. Would you recommend the GC one instead?

>>715188160
Why was the Wii map flipped?

>>715186602
Shortened ToL sections, inventory on the gamepad instead of having to be pulled up with a button(quick weapon switching in essence), gyro aiming

>>715187389
"this game is ugly, dated and with a bad art style" Said everyone for a while for some reason

>>715187460
it's very relaxing and romantic, especially during summer. the waters are also pretty deep next to the spirit stones. you can plap Iiya while the Gods watch both of you do it

>>715187807
I fucking love the dragon fight
>opens up to just a random platform you can walk to the edge of and see you’re like 100 miles above any ground
>climbing the towers like spiderman
>lightning and thunder crashing all around you
>huge dragon
>plummeting to the ground stabbing him after you slash him a few times

It’s just too damn easy

>>715187929
I never liked how they bait and switched with Ganondorf, Zant's design is so cool with the helmet on, even being Ganondorf under it would have been better than using the whole sungod shit, they did Zant dirty.

>>715189576
>small minority of random anonymous users on an anonymous internet site about digital toys
>everyone

>>715189737
Argorok is so cool, peak of the franchise, it's the first thing I always brought up whenever I talked to my friends about TP, that and Stallord, chasing a floating skull on a spinner is kinda dumb but it's also cool as fuck.

>>715189987
Fr its beautiful

>>715189514
It was their solution to making Link right handed since most people playing the wii would be right handed

Why did they never reuse the gay clowns, I would have loved a fleshed out Hyrule Circus

>>715191058
Yeah I wish Castle Town was expanded upon

>>715188039
Have you tried?

>>715183313
>>715184794

>>715117368 (OP)
Most tedious and annoying prologue to exist. literally 3 hours before you make it to the first temple.

>>715118526
You can keep your gay temple of time and that backtracking. While a novel and creative idea it's not fun to do a second time.

The mansion one was also novel but was shit.

It's like they cared more about "what haven't we done yet" but forgot to think if they'd be fun or not.

>>715191364
It had a small circus like tent thing, which always made me wonder if they had something planned with it but cut it due to constraints. I loved how lively hyrule was, it felt like an actual small town, also picking up cats.

>>715164275
Smash but it's never named for some reason despite having the dregs of society now. The average Smash fan is worse than a Sonic fag.

>>715164275
Earthbound, I liked it before it was cool and seeing how it went from obscure game no one ever played, to their favorite game they never played.

>>715193425
blame Smash Bros for that one

>>715192412
Skyward Sword's prologue is far worse

>>715193925
Not far but it is really bad

>>715117368 (OP)
easily the best zelda game, it has the best dungeons, best music, best version of hyrule, best transformation, best dungeon items, best horseback combat, best character development, best graphics, and the best combat

>>715184143

>>715194195
>wolf link
>best transformation

>>715189064
I prefer it but the widescreen hack isn't as perfect as the wii's widescreen support (the cutscenes are a bit odd but it does work and everything else is perfect pretty much)
the GC version has the originally intended map that feels better in my opinion, it has better controls, better camera controls, and rollgoal makes way more fucking sense with how much easier it is on analog stick (you would think the wiimote would be perfect for it but it was insanely sensitive and awkward making it way harder than you'd ever expect a zelda minigame to be) however it only has 2 item slots because the Z button is used for Midna
this isn't a huge downgrade really because TP has a much snappier way of picking items with the item wheel but it is a downgrade from most zelda games that typically have 3 slots
Other than that its the same game basically so there's a few pros and cons but nothing crazy out of ordinary
Some people do swear by that HD version though, I guess watch some videos or something and see how you feel... With a lot of these things it tends to be a mixed bag and comparison screenshots are kinda deceptive. Some areas will look worse but some might look better. I personally didn't like the way it looked though.

>>715194576
Yeah, wolves are cool

>>715117368 (OP)
It's an overall great package.
SS may have better dungeons (especially the second half), but it also did a Faustian deal where every piece of gameplay that aren't the dungeons are bad, stale, or worse.
TP isn't flawless, but there are a handful of thigns to do in the fields, caves to discover, and a few quests. My biggest gripe with it is how bad the balance is. You hit the difficulty spike in the game insanely early (castle sewers or goron mines if you're bad at platforming), and the rest of the game is a stroll. Heroic mode didn't fix it, it just made the sewers harder.
Still, I would have loved a master-quest take on SS and TP.

>>715135145
Funny. That's exactly my reason why I think they suck. Temples in OoT were actual temples with connections to the sages and the sacred realm. They had an actual purpose.

>>715196260
>I think they suck because they have a purpose unlike this other thing that I like that has a purpose

>>715184143
Agitha is such a pure hearted princess

>>715196260
name me a single temple in Twilight Princess that lacks purpose

I remember trying the gamecube version
Got up to just before the Zora dungeon and stopped. I think I remember wondering why the fuck it took like an hour between unlocking each dungeon. Like in LttP or the Oracles games it was like 15-20 minutes at most for the majority of it.
In TP it seemed like it should take 20 minutes but between backtracking and overall slow animations it was lengthed to about an hour at least

>>715194576
it organically contextualizes the use of 8 abilities that in every other game would require pausing and adjusting your face button items around, it's the most versatile form

>>715197470
You again

>>715197391
The game was about to get a lot better but you're not alone there, its where most people quit if they quit
Its even exactly where my sister lost interest and she loved older zelda games

Thoughts on monbetsu kuniharu's art?

>>715197391
Yeah, the games pacing gets alot better after you meet Zelda for the second time.
Until it shoots itself in the foot with statue quest that it.

>>715118526
Truth

>>715118526
SS may have it's flaws but it's dungeons are some of the best. TP tries too much to be a remake off of OOT for it to fully show it's muscles, although it has one or two standoust.

Ancient Cistern my beloved. So TP has to concede that title to SS. Problem with SS is more like that 3 of the bosses are just Girahim.

>>715192412
>literally 3 hours before you make it to the first temple.
1 hour and you're in a dungeon and introduced to midna and zelda, 2 hours you should be at the forest temple.

Whats the best way to play this nowadays? GC version on Dolphin? Anything around like the QoL enhanced OoT?

>>715197391
>I think I remember wondering why the fuck it took like an hour between unlocking each dungeon
You didn't notice there were quests between dungeons? Mounted duel with the ogre, learning sumo, finding zora prince, hidden village, figuring out a way through the blizzard?

Are you retarded

>>715200791
>Anything around like the QoL enhanced OoT?
there is a decompilation effort but its only 61% done and always remember that once it hits 100%, it takes awhile for a good PC port to be developed from that so its coming but it'll be awhile

>>715201142
Its more around 70% done and its moving pretty quickly (it was like 50% done back in march) but yea it'll still be a bit

>>715194704
Thanks for the info. I'll have to think about it for a bit, but at least now I know what options I have

>>715200574
The SS dungeons all have some fatal flaw, though. Ancient Cistern looks amazing, but it also has a stone plaque that straight-up tells you the solution to the central puzzle because SS has a "no retard left behind" approach to its design. Loved the last boss, though

>>715200574
The only OOT retreads are the first 3

>>715117368 (OP)
this game is absolutely carried by its atmosphere and ost, it carries it far and above every other zelda game lol. the wii bloom adds to the meloncholic atmosphere of the game

TP is my favorite Zelda. Love the dungeons, love the atmosphere, love the swordplay, love the little things in general. I feel like everyone has a Zelda where simply fucking around in the overworld is its own joy and for me, I could ride Epona around TP's Hyrule and just enjoy the fucking weather systems.

helplessly carrying midna through the rain while
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VGGHCsGoiwsg plays is pure fucking kino and makes all the other dogshit wolf sections worth it
what other zelda game ever accomplishes feelings like this or the bridge fight? this game is unironically epic and I mean that in all sincerity

>>715200574
TP and SS both have just about equally good Dungeons. it's time to face the fact that although it got more linear, Zelda consistently upped its own ante on Dungeons... and then IGN and Gamespot fags complained "Zelda is too linear" and they stopped their momentum to make BotW and never make good dungeons again.

>>715203292
TP is a game of setpiece moments and you either accept that or you don't. It's not particularly Zelda-like in design, but also it's VERY good at crafting these moments. I mean, you get to sumo wrestle Gorons and have a western showdown in a dilapidated village, shit's great with the thematic framing.

>>715202478
Facts

>>715118526
The only dungeon that got to me was the one where you have to use that fucking ugly ass bald bird. What the FUCK is that thing?

>>715203292
It helps immensely that Midna is probably the most likable companion potentially in video game history
I cared about her all the way through which makes this moment, along with the ending of the game, really impactful.

>>715134489
I was made he wasn't in hyrule warriors along with the rebel gang from tp

>>715166858
This is only true for the first 3 dungeons though
You didn't quit the game and pretend to know about it did you anon?

>>715167408
kino

>>715204590
I'm mad we haven't gotten a proper Hyrule Warriors sequel where they could make up for this
It just being Breath of the Wild now is such a Nintendo decision and it makes me furious

>>715204778
Yeah they decided to make two shitty botw games from omega force. It was truly a disappointment

>>715203292
>this game is unironically epic and I mean that in all sincerity
This is why it's my favorite. I played OoT and hoped it had more story moments, and Twilight Princess delivered. I even like the wolf gameplay, I dunno why people complain.

>>715187929
I enjoyed how Link utterly mogs his dungeon and pathetic ass, then Midna blows him the fuck out. Real power trip. The hand chase sequence was intense though.

>>715187929
>>715189758
He legitimately came across as deranged and scary and they just wasted him
probably the biggest wasted potential in Nintendo villain history

>>715169064
I remember this sexo model.
Too bad she never got a name.
Seems like most of the ugly ones got theirs

>>715136254
>looks bad
>bad music
>completely soulless and empty

>>715203292
>sincerity
based sincereanon
I miss this type of thematic Zelda.
Modern Zelda is just checklist anime Buddhism trash, no nuance at all

>>715165692
Its like the original story had no ganon in it at all and somebody at the top said “ok but you have to have ganon” so they just kinda stuck him in there

>>715206391
>is a faggot

>>715196260
The temples in OoT suck as actual temples cause they're filled with traps and nonsensical layouts. There's no sites of worship, sleeping chambers, rarely any icons, or anything. The Forest Temple is likened to a mansion but it's just a labyrinth with a courtyard. All these temples are just labyrinths with torture rooms.

Eeeheehee

>>715184635
You could make a lot of comparisons showing the original is the best looking. Did the HD version even do anything right?

>>715189758
it is stupid but this moment was at least kino

>>715117368 (OP)
early game is still dogshit and slow

>>715207226
the presentation of TP really puts everything they've ever done since to shame

>>715187961
It's because basically one played the TP HD remake so it only has the 1 shill. And in general most people don't give a fuck about TP because it was kinda bad.

WW is more loved so more people talk about it.

>5 hr tutorial
>bug hunting
>wolf sections
>Terrible pacing
>Ganondorf was behind it all!
>Just as easy as Wind Waker
>Dull ugly version of OoT
>Terrible Anime story
>Useless items
>Dungeons are glorified set pieces
>Overworld is somehow worse than the N64 games.

TP was already outdated in 06. Oblivion, Okami, Shadow of the Colossus all did certain things better than TP. It felt like a late N64 title and really shun a light on how stale Zelda felt for the 1st time in it's history. This game was the beginning of the end for traditional Zelda unfortunately.

>>715207886
this is a good example screenshot of why I switched to the gamecube version
there were multiple scenes where I quite literally could not see a characters face kek
it also just kinda looks worse even when you can see them but this level of bullshit felt unacceptable

>>715207886
WW is more loved by trannies and fags

Do you fags ever get tired of copy pasting the same responses into threads

>>715196260
Forest and Shadow temple didn’t really feel like temples. Forest was more like a Manor and Shadow was a prison and torture grounds.

Ashei sexo

>>715184143

>>715177232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lKUYAnqxjU

>>715208868
The greatest movie ever made.

>>715208137
this one is really embarrassing

>>715208173
TP just isn't loved by anyone

https://youtu.be/07Aoqiam4bw

Thoughts on this Zelda fan film?

>>715209301
this thread has been up for 24 hours, 406 posts, mostly of people who at least on some level appreciate the game, and many who love it.

>>715209370
>this thread has been up for 24 hours,
This is proof of my claim.

>>715209301
I love it

>>715209301
I love it.

>>715169064
>>715206131
Cute and sexo design. Nice detail with her having a different outfit and makeup based on the time of day. Shame you can't see her up close due to fixed camera angles. She almost looks like she was originally going to be a more important character or quest NPC of some kind desu

>>715207968
>8.8

>>715209775
I like Tim but I find what he enjoys more interesting than what he does not enjoy
dude is a massive hipster and if you read this review you'd have to assume he doesn't like Zelda in general as a franchise so why do I care what he thinks about TP? It feels like he used it as a chance to get on a soap box and preach about more general grievances he had with video games at the time.

>>715209465
Holly molly. I would KISS the living hell out of this Link (no homo)

>>715209775
>>715209991
This isn't even a tim rogers review so who the fuck cares kek

>>715210134
oh I just assumed
this person just sounds mad at the very premise of a quest line and also sounds like they didn't play past the tutorial

>>715209637
>Three dots on each cheek like Telma, Agitha and Fanadi.
what the heck
what type of story was cut from TP

>>715206398
Arbiter’s Grounds had the Buddhist statue.

>>715210219
They're a comedian and you can tell by the way they wrote the review they were just desperately looking for a funny angle to trash the game and yes it does sound like they only played the tutorial

>>715210418
the presence of something buddhist isn't the issue and isn't what anon said

TP is an absolute liminal space.
I barely remember it, even though it was all I ever hoped for when I was a kid. Don‘t know why.

>>715210692
>Don‘t know why.
It's what you call soulless. Okami mogged the shit out of it.

>>715209775
>you should game over if you fall into a pit or lava
It’d make players more cautious but I’m pretty sure getting a game over sends you back to the start of the dungeon so it’d just be annoying.

>>715207968
Not my experience, kek. I got it that christmas and we played Guitar Hero and Halo and then some Wii Sports and Zelda. TP was when all my cousins looked at me play. It drew them in, and felt like a really captivating experience, where you didn't know what was coming next in the game.
In that sense it never felt old. It's as good as any other adventure/action title that takes you through different locations and continually makes the player feel like they're exploring a cool world and story.
And further, I remember specifically feeling like modern games were losing their way on the PS3, with the beginning of the Assassin's Creed template being in many other IP including InFamous. GTA was also just "Wide and open but aimless". When Skyward Sword came out, I recognized that it was probably the weakest 3D Zelda ever, but it was still better than all other Single Player slop after a few hours, because nothing else took you through so many different locations with such variety in gameplay design on a consistent basis.

>>715184143
My legal formicophilia queen...

aaaaand Okamifag showed up

>>715206730
sort of like how crypts/tombs in tes2/3 are just literal crypts/tombs, an easy place to walk in to, store a dead body/pay respect to your deceased family members, and in tes4/5 they're colossal sprawling labyrinths that i can't help but think of the poor bastard that has to walk all the way through there every time he wants to do his monthly/annual rites
it really is poor world building when your buildings don't at all reflect what they're supposed to be

Men only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting

why exactly do they struggle to make good companions outside of midna?
none of the others are really even real characters, they all act like AI assistants or something.

>>715187929
For some reason on late stage development they thought he must not have been "bad guy" enough or something, pushing in Ganondorf at the last second. That was stupid as hell.

>>715214935
Ganondorf is mentioned by name after Arbiter's Grounds and is alluded to by Zant himself earlier than that.

>>715215625
That doesn't mean anything. They went back and hamstringed him in here and there. That's like me modifying a copypasta to be in past tense instead of present by adding "I saw" instead of "I see"

>>715218060
On what basis? The cutscene after Arbiter's Grounds is a pretty drastic rewrite, if it can even be confirmed as such. The story hinges quite a lot on what is shown there.

>>715214835
Midna is too cool

>Windwaker has a fun start but the game peaks with the Helmaroc King boss fight and makes a sharp downturn with the Triforce hunt
>The later half TP has some of the coolest dungeons in the later half but the game just straight up isn't fun until Arbiter's Grounds
>BotW/TotK are open worlds slop
Every 3D Zelda game after the 64 duo I have beef with. But I will give TP credit for being the last game in the series with an artstyle I enjoyed.

>>715118526
TPBP

>>715184143

>>715221762
I feel like I have beef with every single 3D zelda including 64 entries
jabu-jabu's belly is so fucking boring
A Link to the Past is really the only entry in the entire series where I can't think of something about it that irritates me

>>715120319
It fits the medieval fantasy kingdom aspect trope quite brilliantly.

>>715223789
Thank you sir

>>715224417
Based

Im curious, what do you anons think would make the Wolf Link sections more tolerable, as that seems to get a lot of criticism from here?
More beast forms? Greater combat depth? Simply more things to do?

>>715227631
A couple of giant hand based moves. Maybe you gate them on the story since wolf has to be kind of a punishment at first, it has to still feel foreign and inferior

>>715184049
>>715175886
God I miss the green tunic and hat. I hate nuZelda's bullshit so much.

>>715213024
FUUUUUUUUUCK

>>715206391
>is completely wrong

>>715228225
FUCK SKYWARD SWORD I WILL NEVER STOP BEING MAD

>>715228474
Skyward Sword was the beginning of Fujibayashi's tenure as series director and I've been miserable since. Ironic he directed the Oracles and Minish Cap, so what the fuck happened?

>>715228425
Wow, you sure proved him wrong by posting an ugly looking empty field

>>715117368 (OP)
what zelda game do I play next if I liked oot and tp for there linearness and disliked how majoras was mostly side content. or did the gameplay pattern peak in those two games

>>715228903
seasons

>>715228903
Skyward sword is a little more linear than wind waker but the problem is that it sucks. Rehashes maps for minigames (like the TP wolf tears parts x10), gimmicky combat, the characters and environments are not that cool. I would go for wind waker first, or link to the past which is a very good game

>>715229376
>gimmicky combat,
SS's combat is goofd and I wil ldie on that hill. It only works 65% of the time BUT it is more in depth than any other game

>>715228903
You might actually like Skyward Sword if you're hellbent on sticking with 3D, but the Game Boy Zeldas might be to your liking if you're willing to go 2D. Start with Link's Awakening and if you like that, go into the Oracles duology. Personally, I think the Oracles are fantastic games.

>>715229443
I was not someone who rotated my wrist all over the place but it was still not fun

>>715229443
No no no, it has the potential for depth but squanders it with a ton of Simon Says tier combat and emphasis on just planting your feet over movement/spacing. It has its moments - Ghirahim, Koloktos, Demise - but a lot of the time it's too busy turning combat into a puzzle to be the peak of Zelda combat, let alone combat in general.

>>715228903
>I liked oot
>for its linearness
OoT has always been one of the most open games in the series. It's more tightly structured than what came after it, as I see why that would appeal to you, but it's nothing like the actually linear TP.

>>715229959
the good thing about oot is that you can play it like a linear game if you're boring or stupid but the nonlinearity is still there for people who like to explore. it's very super metroid

>>715229959
OoT can be very linear if you want it to be, it doesn't shove its possibilities in your face but rather expects you to just figure out what you can get away with. That said, I'm pretty sure most people will just let Navi lead them by the nose on their first playthrough.

>>715178412
Oof. WW is better.

>>715230173
WW has those same animations but as glowing A button prompts. TP at least lets you utilize them whenever you want.

>>715230173
lol
LMAO even

>>715228903
No, it peaked in the 2D ones. Play ALttP, LA and MC.

>>715184143

>>715117368 (OP)
40 pounds of pussy and ass

I'm convinced if Skyward Sword came out first then most TP haters would suck it off at least a little which is retarded because release order really shouldn't matter at the end of the day

>>715233215
You're offbase, but only a little. TP and SS are closer in design philosophy than TPfags are usually willing to say out loud, but even then SS makes sport of exacerbating most of TP's least popular ideas. Once you get past the motion silliness the game proper feels like "TP, but more of the shit you hated this time around".

>>715209637
It's absurd how hard they are to see in the gamecube original, you simply can't make out most details, I'd love a clear view of every castle town npc, they look too good for npcs you weren't intended to see well.

>>715214835
I've never fully understood what's going on here, did Zant let the light spirit get back up so it would unintentionally kill Midna with it's light and the spirit teleported them out to safety while unintentionally fatally wounding her?

>>715213024
Those ladies went fucking ham with that series, and while I didn't like everything in it I appreciate Nintendo letting them do what they wanted after 20 years.

>>715224445
I hate the dark rooms, and having a boss you can only defeat with an otherwise optional item that is gotten in the overworld is fucking stupid.

>>715214835
Daphnes was cool. You just don't want to fuck the old man
>>715227631
It's unfun padding, get rid of it

>>715136254
Both the game and its most devout defenders will try to dress it up as something other than a big empty field, while at the same time criticizing a game like Wind Waker for having a big ocean full of nothing. And it's true that Ocarina of Time had an unimpressive Hyrule Field, but it at least has the excuse of technical limitations in its favor. If so many people didn't pretend that it's something that it's not, I wouldn't have an issue with it at all.

>>715234849
Zant turns out the lights, tries to talk to Midna, she tells him to fuck off, Zant turns the lights back on and uses Midna as a meat shield, Lanayru is pissed and wants to attack Zant who can exist in light because of Ganondorf just like Midna can after Zelda gives up her power, but before that point she's allergic and takes the hit, Lanayru realizes he fucked up and teleports them out.

>>715177380
Nice headcanon. But do you have any proof of this?

>>715213024
>>715235193
Good god I at least appreciate how they actually use Midna's uncursed form here. I'm so used to seeing everyone in the fandom act like imp Midna is the only thing that exists, like people deliberately ignore her actual body and act like the furry monkey thing is supposed to be hotter, as a 'joke'.

>>715117368 (OP)
midna rape