I genuinely don't get it.
Why is it so hard for you to not buy shit that's harmful for you?
> NOOO THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD FORCE GAME DEVS TO UHHH NEVER SHUT DOWN THEIR SERVERS! OR I'M LOSING MY MONEY!
How about you don't buy perma online garbage you can't play offline or host your own server?

> REEEE SO WHAT IF I WANT TO PIRATE SWITCH GAMES NITENDO SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN MY CONSOLE
How about you don't pirate, or better yet, not buy a nintendo switch 2?

How stupid do you have to be to buy a poisonous snake and then cry to the government "REEE WHY WON'T YOU REGULATE POISONOUS SNAKES, THIS ONE JUST BIT ME"?

Are you incapable of not purchasing the product? Are you incapable of not consuming?

>>715185910 (OP)
Stop being reasonable.

You don't belong on /v/, newfag, and no it's not because of your opinions idc I'm not gonna read any of that, e-celeb shitting and culture war crap is gay

>>715185910 (OP)
Why do you faggots keep posting this tranny?

>>715185910 (OP)
This is really low effort bait but I'll bite. It's not about voting with your wallet like a tard but about the preservation of vidya. A book not selling well doesn't mean that they should be burned.

>>715185910 (OP)
Good morning!

>>715186260
> Game is w*ke
> It flops
> Company is shut down
/v/: HAHAHAH GO W*KE GO BROKE, DIE W*KE DEVS! DIE WOKE GAMES!

> /v/ after asmongold tells them to support stop kiling games
/v/: Why yes of course i care about the preservation of videogames even if they are bad :)

Kys please.

>>715186570
Not the same people tard. Even shit games should be preserved imo. I would be sad if Mystery of the Druids disappeared.

>>715185910 (OP)
why does the video game lobby steal people's games and steal their money?
why does nintendo insist on defrauding customers?
if they stopped their anti-consumer dealings, people would change their outlook on them

>>715186718

Not the same people?
You're EXACTLY the same terminally online /v/irgins who make parasocial relationships with youtubers who were cheering for the death of woke games.

This year alone before SKG became trendy because of your pathetic e-celeb drama you were wishing KCD2 flopped, AC Shadows flopped, Avowed flopped (and none of those flopped much to your dismay), but now you try to pretend all game is art and no game should be "closed forever"?

Please kill yourself. YOU GUYS LAUGHED that Concord closed IMMEDIATLY, you didn't think for a second "wow maybe we should stop killing games", no, YOU CHEERED that Concord closed.

So fuck you.

>>715186865
>people would change their outlook on them

What are you talking about? If people hated nintendo they wouldn't buy the switch 2, if they didn't buy the switch 2 there would be no need to pass laws about how they can't brick your switch if you pirate games, you stupid bitch.

MILLIONS UPON BILLIONS of people consume Nintendo products and won't stop, your pathetic "meh we all refused to buy nitendo switch 2" is fantasy shit.

>>715187032
there's no contradiction
>I wish nothing but misery to the cunts who signed off on pozzed shit like concord
>on the other hand, I firmly believe that people should be able to keep playing it because no company should have the right to take away your games. the game is also an important reminder not to put out poz

>>715185910 (OP)
Holy shit you're actually genuinely annoying. Another Accursed dickrider, of course.

>>715187139
>eat shit, millions of flies can't be wrong
swing and a miss
I'm also sure those 30 million+ gamers would rejoice if nintendo were more pro-consumer

>>715186260
>about the preservation of vidya
No it isn't, it's about giving consoomers another reason to give their money to companies who have always fucked them over and will keep fucking them over no matter what.
If you care about preservation, start by legalizing DRM removal.

>>715187198
>I firmly believe that people should be able to keep playing it

Why do you lie?Who do you think you're gaslighting you piece of shit?
You were cheering when Concord closed. You didn't for a second think "STOP KLILING GAMES" when Concord closed after a day.

Now you're trying to pretend this is some super deep belief you always held, who do you think you're fooling?
YOu didn't even know of the SKG initiative until the pirate software drama you stupid slut.

>>715187332
> Claims people are not buying Nintendo anyway
>> Is proven wrong
> REEE SHUT UP THIS IS UHH FLIES AND SHIT (I'm indian btw that's why out of nowhere i started talking about shit)

Die.

>>715185910 (OP)
>you must let companies fuck anyone over however they please go- I mean guys

>>715185910 (OP)
Good morning saar, did you get your 20 dollar paycheck from Ubisfot?

>>715185910 (OP)
Good thing the snake was only poisonous. It would be bad if it was venomous.

>>715187805

Companies are fucking you because you consented, you stupid whore. They didn't rape you, they didn't shove a nintendo switch up your ass or an online game up your mouth.

> Wow this corporation is obviously greedy and buying this product would clearly be a bad thing for me...
> SO I'M GONNA DO IT ANYWAY AND THEN CRY GOVERNMENT DIDN'T PROTECT ME

It's like going dressed like a slut into the ghetto and complaining you're raped.

Kek Libertarian talking points for absolute fuckwits liek always
>Protecting your rights = DADDY GOBERMENT!!!!
The same people would argue for cooperations to polute every river with the argument -> Dont buy it than if you are so concerned about the enviorment HAHA

Thats what this is about you retarded brainwashed neoliberal niggers = Cooperations will never, ever give a fuck about you as long as laws force them.
We saw this over and over and over again.

>>715186260
>IT'S ABOUT THE PRESERVATION OF VIDYA
>anon says, despite only pirating new games and continues to delete them the moment he's done with them

>>715188114
>Dont buy it than if you are so concerned about the enviorment HAHA

Well... why don't you buy it?
Why is it so hard for you to live by your word?
> No no you see I NEED the new iphone even though i'm against child labor...
> ALSO i NEED more plastic Starbuck cups even though i'm against pollution

>>715187032
>>715187568
Wow you're really mad about this one particular thing that literally no one else cares about. Something just rubbed you the wrong way and you decided to hyperfocus your autism on that huh? You're a loon because you hate people for the sake of hating. Man your head is fucked. Get help

>>715188428
> T-the thread hurts my fee fees so i'm gonna hide it
Bye felicia

>>715185910 (OP)
>Are you incapable of not consuming
I am, I don't buy always online games, or nintendo consoles. But I don't want people who get scammed by these companies, that's why I vote against these practices.

>bu-but think of the corporations and the rich people
lol

>>715185910 (OP)
yes generally companies get punished for false advertising

>>715185910 (OP)
Shutting down a game console because you don't like the software installed on it is like GM shutting off my car because I modified it in a way they don't like. The manufacturer of a product should not have the right to dictate how it's used post-sale.
The SKG thing is an entirely different issue. Games are marketed as products. Products (generally) are expected to last an indeterminate amount of time. They actually are operating like services; i.e. they work for customers/users from launch until the developer/publisher pulls support and turns off the servers. This is a definitive service period. The rub is that nobody involved with the marketing, development, server hosting, or maintenance of these services (not products) is willing or able to openly communicate to consumers as to how long that service will last.
There are ways to mitigate this, either through having an end of life plan or by (at End of Service) giving local server hosting or server emulation to customers. Or at the very least, allow the game to function in a minimum playable state with multiplayer features disabled but still able to do activities that don't require other players.

>>715188847
>But I don't want people who get scammed by these companies,

Why? They wanted it. Or they wouldn't have bought that shit.

>>715185910 (OP)
>daddy government
script

>>715185910 (OP)
>Why is it so hard for you to not buy shit that's harmful for you?
why should companies be allowed to harm you?

>>715189006

They are not harming you, you're harming yourself.

Remember that these discord spam threads are against the rules. If you want people to follow EU rules you should at least follow the rules of this website.

>>715187968
More getting naked and cuffing your own wrists and ankles in a dark alleyway.

>>715188360
Who are you arguing against?
Why are you defending giga-cooperations?
Why would anybody defend these parasites, these leeches of society?

>>715189097
>LOOK AT ME IM SILLY BECAUSE IM CONTRARIAN!

>>715189097
cool BP climate change denial bro but that doesn't answer my question.

>>715185910 (OP)
Historically speaking, boycotts never work.
They only seem to work because people in Anno Domini 2025 still don't understand the difference between correlation and causation: the boycott didn't actually do shit, it just happened at the same time as some other factor that actually did the job.

>>715187032
I was cheering for Concord to fail O N L Y because they used youtubers and streamers to shill their game.

>>715188974
>They wanted it
No lmao, most people don't know about that cause they assume that when you buy a game or console you are free to use it and modify it as much as you want. Because you know, that's been the norm for the past decades, but now companies are deceiving people.

>>715185910 (OP)
>why does daddy government have to protect you so much
They really need to make it legal for corporations to pay you in their special corporation tokens again.

>Be OP
>Roll out of bed
>Eat my shit pancake or sugar in bar/bowl/drink form
>Sit down to job
>Open my clock in tab and my remote services so Boss can see me
>Open up todays spam folder with prescribed images
>Begin copy/cut/paste without hotkeys because I'm too dense
>Shitpost corpo ads all day because it's a job

Legit OP Listen. I could curse you out but, what you really should do is get another job. My Mom had this job all of 15 minutes of her training and she knew better and quit. We will erode you not the other way around. You will pick up out tendencies not the other way around. Look at all the discord raids and how they are literally just us raiding us. Do you enjoy when we slip scat, porn, and gore infront of you? It will eat at you overtime. You can't convince us that your contractors are in our interests. It's a paycheck but, certainly you OP could find a better job.

Back to the filters with you.
>This courtesy was because my Mom is dead and I'm happy her last few months weren't your shitty job. I'd hate the dinner conversation with her kids to be about here or this "job" to be weighing on her.

>>715188974
fundamental attribution error moment

>>715188114
You can't train an indian how to shit in the toilet and you can't train an american to fight for his rights.

>>715189564
> I buy shit without getting informed about what i'm buying
>THIS IS CORPORATINOS FAULT

You guys are acting like women with how much you hate accountability.

>>715189880
why can't a corporation be held accountable for its own product?

>>715186570
>/v/ is one person

>>715185910 (OP)
>Why you being a bitch and crying to daddy government
Tell these faggot corporations to stop snitching and crying to the police and the government over piracy.
Oh wait, they still plan on being bitch made faggots about that?
Then cope faggot.

>>715189956
because... uhhh... because women

>>715188974
Were they offered an equivalent with the contested parts removed?

>>715185910 (OP)
buy means buy, shlomo.

>>715189956

They would be if you didn't consume non stop, you stupid bitch.
You want Nintendo to be punished for, oh no, bricking your Switch if you pirate games?? THEN DON'T BUY A $500 USD SWITCH FOR WHICH EACH GAME COSTS $100 USD

You want online games to never close? THEN DON'T BUY SHITTY ONLINE GAMES YOU STUPID WHORE.

>>715189880
>I buy shit without getting informed about what i'm buying
Again you keep repeating yourself, I do get informed but I want to protect people that don't get informed.

>>715190289
It's been historically proven that that doesn't work.

>>715185910 (OP)
At this point people are pushing the NEVER SHUT DOWN THEIR SERVERS! meme way to hard.
Its always bean ether let players host there own servers or make the game playable offline.
No one demands forever official servers.

Anyone who believes we actually do is ether a genuine retard is drinking the slop corporate shills are selling or is just bating for fun.

>>715185910 (OP)
>REEEE SO WHAT IF I WANT TO PIRATE SWITCH GAMES NITENDO SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN MY CONSOLE
The funniest part is nintendo is not "bricking" the switch 2s, they're just disabling online access which piratefags shouldn't be using it in the first place

>>715190289
that's not what accountability is. not buying something is not a punishment, either.

the only thing a truly free market creates is monopolies.

>>715186718
Funny thing is that trooncord would sell more (just a little) if it had the option of "not official" servers

>>715190449
> Me not buying things? UMM EXCUSE ME BUT r/science told me that doesn't work *smug r*ddit face*

I hope you die in a fire.

>>715185910 (OP)
YOU WILL OWN NOTHING
AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY

>>715190513
>that's not what accountability is

You throw your money away and get punished for doing stupid choices, that's accountability. You wanting the government to come bail you out is the embodiment of refusing to be held accountable for your actions.

>not buying something is not a punishment

Wow. Hearing this after you guys spam Steam chart threads and celebrate when "w*ke" games get no sales so the company closes is hilarious.
So let me see if i understand
> NOOO NOT BUYING FROM THE CORPORATIONS IS IMPOSIBLE! I HAVE TO DO IT!
> Ha! but nobody buying that video so it flops? totally possible and BASED.

>OH YEAH? YOU WANT MURDER AND RAPE TO BE ILLEGAL? YOU NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT AND THE COPS TO PROTECT YOU HUH????

>>715185910 (OP)
> NOOO THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD FORCE GAME DEVS TO UHHH NEVER SHUT DOWN THEIR SERVERS! OR I'M LOSING MY MONEY!
I am disgusted by the fact that devs even have the ability to add the clause of “we can take your game whenever”. Nobody forces them to sell here go scam somebody else fucking faggots
>How about you don't buy perma online garbage you can't play offline or host your own server?
I’ll buy whatever the fuck I want and I’ll own it and if it cant be owned after purchase it wont be sold here, how about that
>REEEE SO WHAT IF I WANT TO PIRATE SWITCH GAMES NITENDO SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SHUT DOWN MY CONSOLE
>How about you don't pirate, or better yet, not buy a nintendo switch 2?
I couldnt care less about scammers rights, go scream “SAR DO NOT REDEEM” into the mic stupid faggot
>How stupid do you have to be to buy a poisonous snake and then cry to the government "REEE WHY WON'T YOU REGULATE POISONOUS SNAKES, THIS ONE JUST BIT ME"?
I am REJECTING your self-invented (((right))) to sell venomous(retarded faggot learn the difference) snakes.
TLDR: go kill yourself stupid redditspacing faggot kike

>>715185910 (OP)
Fuck off jew

>>715190725
>You throw your money away and get punished for doing stupid choices, that's accountability
that's not accountability.

>You wanting the government to come bail you out is the embodiment of refusing to be held accountable for your actions.
no one's asking for a bailout. they're asking for corporations to simply not be allowed to scam you.

>Wow. Hearing this after you guys spam Steam chart threads and celebrate when "w*ke" games get no sales so the company closes is hilarious.
not me but cool strawman i guess.

>>715185910 (OP)
nintendo bootlickers are fucking deranged jesus

>>715190786
> Rape and Murder is the same as a videogame i shouldn't have bought closing

Fascinating retardation.

>>715185910 (OP)
Europoors got buck broken by the monarchy and now needs papa government to bail them out of everything.

>>715190725
>You wanting the government to come bail you out is the embodiment of refusing to be held accountable for your actions.
Nah I want game devs to be accountable for selling perpetual license by forcing them to actually make it perpetual. They can always not sell here, thats an option, they can gtfo from EU and sell their trash somewhere else if they don’t want to comply

>>715190513
By the way, "free" as in "free market" means "freedom of choice". It doesn't mean "anarchy FFA where corporations are free to do anything they want". It means "consumers are free to pick from several good options".
It's probably the most misunderstood term phrase of all time right after "the customer is always right".

>>715191057
Why is every post with this faggot reddit cat absolutely abhorrent?

>>715191057
Can you describe why rape and murder is inherently a bad thing and should be forbidden then

>>715185910 (OP)
The fact that nintendo is successful is proof that the free market doesnt work

>>715185910 (OP)
1.Because voting with your wallet becomes irrelevant when your hobby gets too popular and is filled with consumers who will eat all the slop, so they drag the entire medium down.

2. Despite what your usual lolbertarian might think, government does actually have a purpose and has roles to fulfill, the issue usually is that it doesn't do what it's supposed to and does retarded shit instead. One of those roles is consumer protection, because "muh free market" is only free and fair if it is regulated and maintained to some degree, otherwise it becomes infested with monopolies and workers getting completely shafted, more so than usual.

>>715189880
> I buy shit without getting informed about what i'm buying
Does this imply you read every label of every single grocery you buy every single time, to make sure you are not eating poison?
Lol, you wouldn't survive without without regulations.

>>715191149
>By the way, "free" as in "free market" means "freedom of choice". It doesn't mean "anarchy FFA where corporations are free to do anything they want".
you're the one claiming "regulation is bad, actually."

>>715191128
>Nah I want game devs to be accountable for selling perpetual license by forcing them to actually make it perpetual.

That never happened. No online game ever promised you their severs would stay up forever.

You're so desperate to be a victim even when you shoot yourself in the foot you make wild fantasies.

>>715185910 (OP)
They aren't. Just mindlessly consoom

>>715185910 (OP)
>industrial revolution
>company towns
>banana republic
we need the government because without it companies would gladly treat us like cattle for lulz
the problem now is that the companies are in bed with the government so we have nothing to protect us

>>715188439
>Wow you're really mad about this one particular thing that literally no one else cares about
So The Crew?

>>715191243

If you're smart enough to not buy cigarretes, alcohol, unhealthy foods or cancer inducing bubblegum then you should be smart enough to not buy videogames that will close or consoles that will be shut down and cost 500 USD.

You have a brain, use it.

>>715191398
Notice anything.... Specific about those examples?

>>715186718
How many posts, videos, articles were there when Sony pissed away $200+ million on Concord?
Was it justified because they refunded?
Is this about game preservation? Or is it really about consumer regret?
Only right answers

>>715186718
>Even shit games should be preserved imo.
No, no they shouldn't.

>>715191561
yes I'm well aware about the (((coincidences))) and I think they should all be gassed unironically

>>715191304
I think you're confusing me for someone else

>>715191546
is drafting legislation that will prohibit the revocation of the things you buy not using your brain?

Is ragebait the only way someone can start a thread around here

>>715185910 (OP)
>noooo not the nintendorino!!!
I hate govt, but i hate you and your shitty corpo too, faggot.

>>715191398
Company towns and the banana wars where started because of the government nigga

>>715191398
> Trump is a pedophile
> The government is full of jewish warhawks who want to draft you to die in a war
> The government is letting lots of illegal criminals into your country to rape and kill you
> The government forces you to get vaxxed

BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS GOOD! CORPORATIONS ARE BAD!! MORE POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT! I WANNA DIE FOR ISRAEL!

>>715185910 (OP)
Because the alternative is either total jew control or obsessed schizoids shooting up dev offices. Trying to use the government is the peaceful, socially acceptable option as a proxy for violence for people to get what the want. The same reason people don't just shoot anyone they catch trying to steal their car.

>>715191704
>SKGfag making it about Jews again
Why am I not surprised.

>>715185910 (OP)
Literally every game has terms of licensing that says that they can remove your ownership for no reason at all. There is no "just buy the good ones" they're all that way

>corporations push for laws to fuck over the consumer in every way possible
>consumer can't do the same because...
vote with your wallet, okay?
die pajeet

There's a more delicate line to balance than it seems since people hate being told what they can't do. Prohibition's goal was to stop people from drinking literal poison and the backlash was so extreme the government just said fuck it.
In a similar vein, live service games aren't my favorite but if the government said devs can't make them without guaranteeing perpetually alive servers, basically meaning no more online games, I'd be pissed too.

>>715190725
>he wants to be accountable for his actions.
And what if i am not goody do shoes idealistic faggot?
And more importantly who asked you and why should anybody care?
/v/ is not your blog and not place for retarded, faggy sermons, faggot.

The real redpill is corporations are literally more useful and less evil than the government because at least corporations had to sell you a useful product or service while all the government does is rape children.

>>715191952
last line retard
>the problem now is that the companies are in bed with the government so we have nothing to protect us
kikery is everywhere the world is fucked no matter what angle you take

>>715192012
it always is tho

>>715191952
>Trump
Lobbied into office
>jewish warhawks who want to draft you to die in a war
War is profitable
>letting lots of illegal criminals into your country to rape and kill you
Illegals are cheap labor
>forces you to get vaxxed
Good way to get sales
These all sound like corporate interests.

>>715185910 (OP)
>why does daddy government have to protect you so much?
Cus daddy government works for me and not for shitty international corporations.

didn't the ps3 and x360 already do this shit?
or tried to at least

I have never seen so many libertarians getting owned at once since SKG passed, holy shit

>>715186570
Sony should've been forced to keep Concord playable so they lost even more money

>>715191682
Yes they should. Those who don't remember the past are bound to repeat it.

>>715192002
>Trying to use the government is the peaceful, socially acceptable option as a proxy for violence for people to get what the want. The same reason people don't just shoot anyone they catch trying to steal their car.
Problem is that you're getting that jew control with government intervention which will most likely cause obsessed schizoids to shoot up offices so you're just walking into something you claim you didn't want.

>>715187032
Shadows failed lmao

>>715192025
>guaranteeing perpetually alive servers
that's not what anyone is proposing.
what people want is either give the server client to the users so we can self host like in the good old days, or else convert the game to run offline at end of service.

>>715192304
Isn't that why concord flopped? It was yet another hero shooter.

>>715192225
>since SKG passed,
But it didn't...
are you coping becuase your initiative went nowhere?

>>715185910 (OP)
>Are you incapable of not purchasing the product? Are you incapable of not consuming?
No, and neither are you (and thinking you are makes you an even stupider consumer).
Companies literally brainwash people with their marketing, they do studies and hire psychologists to find the best way to enter your head and make you want to consume. There are ads literally everywhere, you can't escape them. It's a multi-billion dollar industry, and not a surprise every huge tech company is ultimately about selling ads (by stealing your data since they can know so much about you btw). Because it works, it brainwashes people.

Your freedoms are worthless. Humanity can only exist in a society of laws.

I've never been a multiplayer gamer, so I feel nothing about this movement.

What I think is fucked up is all games have a shelf life. That is, real games, a complete experience with an ending, not live service dopamine drips.

Games are delisted and that's it. Yeah "for now" YOU can still re-download it... but no one else. Like, if you didn't buy it, tough shit, and "those who come after tm" will never play it all. Completely erased from the "artistic canon", if you will.

I think that is a far more worthy cause than "I can't play a live service Ubisoft game". What a fucking shitty nothing you couldn't pay me to give a single fuck about.

>>715192154
>Cus daddy government works for me

Trump rapes children for you?

>>715191952
Trump got into office because he's a millionaire businessmen
We fight in Afghanistan to make money for private entities
Illegals are being let in because they're cheap and expendable labor
Vaxxed shit is the only government thing there, everything else is directly in favor of corporations retard

Did it hit 1.5 million yet?

Because I unironically need the government to tard wrangle all the fucking morons who have infested my hobby because they are completely incapable of making intelligent spending decisions for themselves.

Also your mom is eating my asshole right now.

>>715192384
>he lacks information

>>715192081
the government has to use taxes to provide goods and services or the people remove them, bloodily. it happened thousands of times, it's still happening around the world, it always will be. and you're a faggot.

>>715192154
>Cus daddy government works for me
Omegalul

>>715192002
> obsessed wrongthinkers shooting up dev offices
Modern devs are shit, they consist of (((effective management))), diversity hires, jaded and incompetent wageslaves who couldn’t care less about videogames, so there nothing wrong with that, nothing of value would be lost in such case.
>Trying to use government is the, idealogically acceptable option
Oh look, its a good goy npc, just like in my videogames.

>>715185910 (OP)
>so blatantly unfriendly to users even Brazil calls you a borderline thief

I mean at this point how could you possibly blame the consumer?

>>715192012
Jews are not final boss, but they are major problem.

>>715185910 (OP)
>I don't get it, why does daddy government have to protect you so much?
What else are we paying our taxes for?

I thought /v/ hated e-celebs

>>715192518
>the government has to use taxes to provide goods and services or the people remove them, bloodily.
And yet it's never happened. Tax money is spent on other countries instead of being used to fix their home country and this is still happening around the world regardless of who's voted in.

>>715192656
americans paying taxes and still having to pay for everything in a privatized society is beyond my understanding. i understand now why so many of them are heavily indebted and wageslaving, they have to buy everything twice.

>>715192695
We hate pajeets too but it doesn't matter because pajeets are still going to be hired by a YouTuber to shill.

>>715185910 (OP)
>Why is it so hard for you to not buy shit that's harmful for you?
By that logic nothing should be rogulated, actually there shouldn't be any laws at all
>Why is it for hard for you not to trespass your neighbour's property, murder his entire family in their sleep, rape their dog and steal their car, c'mon!

>>715192718
>Tax money is spent on other countries instead of being used to fix their home country
>America is the entire world

>>715192768
Imagine living in the wealthiest country in the world and not having public healthcare, couldn't be me HAHA

>1.3 million signatures
This might not even be enough

>>715192330
I actually agree is the thing. I'm mostly playing devil's advocate because almost no one in society is capable of real violence except blacks and felons so normal people have to beg systems that are supposed to be helping them with these problems. It's just that telling people "you should just use violence like all humans did for the last several thousand years to decisively solve your problems" is useless because they either can't or won't. The second amendment in the US is a nice idea but when the population is placated with TV, video games and near endless sugar treats no one will ever actually do anything to take the power to solve these issues by themselves.

I'm not necessarily advocating for anyone to kill people over video game DRM but we won't do it over things that seriously matter (we pay taxes to a cabal of gay pedophiles) so the idea that something like this will ever get better is admittedly laughable

>>715185910 (OP)
>I genuinely don't get it.
Because you don't have a sense of community. If you did, you would innately understand the need to protect others from this kind of predation. Not only because it affects children and the mentally ill, but normal healthy people who don't have the time to research everything they buy.

In an actual community, you want to protect that community, even if they're 'dumber' than you, because you know they'll have your back in return. The reason you feel differently is because you lack a sense of community. You've been taught that 'intelligence' means dodging the boot so that you can be the best crab in the bucket. If you see someone get scammed, your reaction is "he deserves it, should have been as smart as me" when the truth is you only avoided being the victim by dumb luck.

The idea of punishing the guilty rather than the stupid and unlucky doesn't cross your mind because you've been taught by the guilty that they are beyond punishment. You call this intelligence, but at the end of the day your life will be substantially worse than it would be if you were a part of a community that looked out for each other.

Your way inevitably leads to what China is now. Everyone dragging each other down, ignoring their fellow man when he needs help. And instead of evolving into a nation of smart and savvy consumers on equal terms with corporations, they're little better than slaves. Because the corporations have more energy than you. They have legions of men smarter than you constantly working to find new ways to screw you. If you evade them today, they will fuck you tomorrow. Playing the edgy lone wolf doesn't end well. Look out for your fellow man, and build a better society.

>we live in an age where consumers actively argue AGAINST practices that favor and protect them.
Mad world.

>>715192838
>and this is still happening around the world
>he thinks America is the whole world

it's not enough for me to be able not to fall into temptation.
i want to see evil punished wherever it is.
i want gacha outlawed
i want MMOs outlawed
i want pay to win and microtransactions outlawed
humans are social beings
if you see people getting scammed and do not desire for the scammers to get punished you are beneath human

>>715192518
>or the people remove them, bloodily.

No they don't lmao.

>>715192656

So Trump keeps raping kids.

>I don't get it, why don't you want to get fucked in the ass by the corporations
I dunno, why don't you change your water pipes to lead ones and report back you imbecile?

>>715186251
SKG is a meme campaign centered around that geek.
Skg is going to fail because you'd have to revamp copyright laws to allow products to exist in perpetuity but lawmakers are going to reject outright on it's face value because of this Pirate guy has his ass all over this, and they're going to think the protesters aren't sincere and are just protesting out of spite to him.

>>715192936
He isn't wrong. We're the only country that really matters.

>>715185910 (OP)
WHEN I BUY
I OWN
SIMPLE AS

America is a fucking disgrace, how can you have so much power and money and influence and still look and operate like a third world shithole

>>715192976

If you don't wanna be fucked by corporations why did you lower your pants and bought a ticket to the gangbang?

> Oh i didn't want to die of cancer... *buys another pack of cigarretes* this is... the government's... FAULT *dies*

>>715192930
It's almost as if government intervention doesn't provide real protection or change for the consumer.

>>715193096
I didn't. I was here for decades, then a bunch of faggots kicked the door down and started smearing feces everywhere.

>>715185910 (OP)
People want only rights and entitlements and they want the other party to have all the responsibilities. It's peak infantilism

>>715192846
the wealthiest country in the world is luxembourg, but that's just because it's a tax haven and the billionaires having their bank accounts there counts as "citizens".
in any case, having to worry about stuff like paying for an ambulance when you get hurt is hysterical

>>715193096
i didnt buy a switch 2 tho

>>715193009
>you'd have to revamp copyright laws
Why? If you bought a copy of the game you own that copy of the game and the dev shouldn't be able to brick your copy of the game

>>715193053
But vidya is a service. When you play WoW its similar to getting a haircut from a barber.

>>715192936
>>715193035
that fact that your country sends all the tax money to Israel and Ukraine doesn't mean other countries are doing the same

>>715193096
Unironically yes, people are cattle and you need to take extreme measures to stop them from being retarded

>>715192930
I don't like nanny states and I don't like half measure bandaids.
Simple as.

>>715193095
Corruption

>>715185910 (OP)
they have to do it
they have to adapt
the time has come
they have the money
they have to rehire people they've laid off
and they have to make it work
Ross demands it
Tick. Tock

>>715193170
>luxembourg
I still don't get how the fuck tax evasion in your country is illegal but then you move your accounts to a foreign nation while still doing everything in your own country and it's perfectly fine somehow.

>>715191605
The fact that nobody gives a shit about Concord is proof that this isn't about game preservation, it's about regretting buying shitty games.

>>715193137
>t. corpo bootlicker waiting to pay for the privilege of breathing

>>715193096
do you have an humiliation fetish? you keep parroting the same thing over and over

>>715193259

Why? If they are stupid they should get what they deserve, Why should everyone else have to change the world so people with the IQ of a fish don't lose their nintendo switch?

>>715193228
>he still thinks that America is the whole world.

Not only are companies not your friends, but they're literally your enemies. They are the enemy of mankind.

>>715193404
Uh-huh, meanwhile I'm not the one buying non-stop because I was tricked into thinking government intervention helped.

>>715185910 (OP)
i don't, but the uniformed masses do. My roommate makes fun of me for using adblockers, "niche" programs and various tweaks to my phone and pc to solve problems and improve quality of life. He also pokes fun of me for fixing hardware instead of throwing it away when it breaks and buying new shit. He calls me something along the lines of poindexter (but guess who's dedicated IT guy in the house). I resigned myself to the fact that normalfags are the perfect consoomer cattle and stopped arguing

>>715189992
over half of the posts in this thread are absolutely one person.

>>715187548
>f you care about preservation, start by legalizing DRM removal
Funny you say that

>>715185910 (OP)
In Brazil's case the government doesn't care they just want a quick buck from Nintendo.

>>715193342
you use financial persons and shell corporations to send money to another account which is you but under different id. it's also the basis of money laundering. many countries like luxembourg or switzerland got rich thanks to drug money coming from the mafia or cartels

>>715193468
on a practical level yes it is

>>715193435
Yeah lets just get rid of all laws and let the low IQ monkeys start killing people because they feel like it

>>715193559
None of this ever happened.

>>715193559
I hope you are directly insulting him right back and pointing out what a dumb fucking retard he is.

>>715193612
and this happens at such a level it's reflected in their GDP and nobody cares?

>>715185910 (OP)
Start Killing Games

>>715193435
Because like it or not the modern world requires a lot of people to function so if you want to enjoy being able to shitpost on 4chan we have to protect the retards.

>>715185910 (OP)
I didn't buy a Switch 2. But going off your post I'd buy (you) did. I want the government to protect you from yourself

>>715187968
>It's like going dressed like a slut into the ghetto and complaining you're raped
So are you sayung we should legalize rape and don't prosecute rapists? Is that your reasoning?

>>715193559
I have worked with a guy who had an NES controller tattoo on his arm and was obsessed with watching retrogaming youtubers but refused my offer to help him setup emulators because he thought it would be too complex for him and I have worked with a woman who had a tattoo of nu-Kratos on her shoulder that acted like I was a weirdo when I tried to talk about the older games with her. Many people out there are pretty stupid and just follow shit because it's trendy without actually caring for it.

>>715193615

Do you really not see the difference between laws to stop people from murdering each other and having to implement laws so if a retard buys something bad they are REWARDED for doing so?

Next you want tobacco companies to pay for the lung cancer treatment its clients get?

>>715193785
yes becuase banks used to have something called bank secrecy, in which the finance police and interpol had no authority to look or ask the bank for their client's details or movements. most countries now have removed it but it still contriuted to their overall wealth today.

>>715187968
>if I change the terms of service so that it says I get to fuck your butthole if you buy a candybar, it must mean that everyone who wants to buy a candybar wants me to fuck their butthole

Faggots like you are beyond redemption. Get out of my hobby you fucking nigger.

>>715193858

How sheleted are you that you think laws existing means crime doesn't happen anymore?
Rape is gonna happen doesn't matter how much the government forbids it. So ultimately, avoiding getting rape and defending your life and your asshole is 100% on you.

Or do you want daddy government to assign you a body guard? It's not gonna happen, take some responsability for once

You don't wanna be raped? Don't dress like a whore and walk into a black neighbourhood at night.
You don't want your Switch 2 being blocked? Don't buy a switch 2.

>>715193971
>Next you want tobacco companies to pay for the lung cancer treatment its clients get?
That sounds great actually.

>>715194036
You know you people say this every day but never provide any instances of that happening and actually holding up.

>>715185910 (OP)
You are brown so you don't understand why laws exist and their purpose.

>>715193669
i fucking wish. Think of it this way, I seem like a linux user to him (you know the type) i use arch btw

>>715188219
>projection

kek remember when the shills were very insistent this wasn't gonna get even 500k signatures? and notice how all the well articulated posts which tear their shitty arguments apart get completely ignored?
if you have somehow yet to realize that four chan dot org slash vee is absolutely infested with corporate shills, let the skg threads open your eyes.

>>715193830
I didn't buy a Switch 2. But going off your post I'd say (you) did. I want the government to protect you from yourself

>>715194135
>what is the switch 2

>>715194081
That's ultimately what drives people to seek government legislation stupidity and naivety.

>>715191315
You're right that they don't call game licenses perpetual, but then why should I pay good money for something that I don't get to keep? When I bought a game on disc I got to keep the disc, but apparently when I buy a digital download I only get access to that for as long as the publisher deems fit? Doesn't seem right, especially since they actually want me to pay ever increasing amounts for these digital downloads.

>>715194036
> NOOO I WAS TRICKED BECAUSE THE TERMS OF SERVICE CHANGED AT LAST MINUTE

What actually happened was a fucking IDIOT like you saw a perma online game, that tells you "Can't be played offline" repeatedly, and fans and haters of the game both warned you about it, and you still chose to spend your money on it. And then the game finally closes because the servers are not profitable to the developers, you chimp out and start claiming you were scammed.

>>715194151
>bootlicking this hard

simple: the government should serve me, not corporations
the question is, why do you think it should be the other way around?

>>715185910 (OP)
Babylon wages war on Babylon.

When did /v/ started becoming such jewey bootlickers? Just because it's contrarian?

>>715194252
But I didn't spend any money on it, and I want it to be playable offline forever. You shouldn't be able to make things worse for me as a consumer. I don't care how it get's done or who is behind it, whatever happens that makes things better for me and worse for faggots like you, I'm all for it.

>>715194151
>muh laus
Oh look its a npc, just like in my videogames

>>715194229
A whole new system with a completely different EULA that still doesn't fit the bill anyway?
Just a reminder you're looking for an EULA that changed, not one that started that way, that allows companies to do whatever they please legally.

the population
>we don't want to be dicked around by companies
the government
>we're introducing regulations to prevent that
retards
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT THINK OF THE LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM NOOOOOOOOOO

>>715194251
>but then why should I pay good money for something that I don't get to keep?

THAT'S THE POINT
YOU SHOULDN'T. YET YOU'RE DOING IT ANYWAY AND THEN CRYING.
> Wahhhh i put my hand in hot melting lava and it's hot! Help me daddy goverment!

JUST DON'T PUT YOUR FUCKING HAND IN THE LAVA. You saw it was lava, you smelled it was lava, you felt it was lava. You chose to do it anyway.

>>715193675
i did but i stopped after a while, he's so fucking stubborn and never admits he's wrong even when proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. I still fix his and all my friends' shit like a cuck after being made fun of. Also, whenever you encounter a problem you google it and troubleshoot it, he (and by extension my normalfag friends) just ignore it and get used to it. Drives me insane especially when the fix is extremely simple. I thank fuck my parents had a beige shitbox pc when i was born and i learned the ins and outs of electronics from an early age

>>715194179
>typo in first post
>delete post
>accidently reply to it
The only problem I have with SKG is how many fucking reddit twitter facebook niggers it brought here.

I haven't bought a game since 2015 but everything gets worse.
Clearly the lolberts are wrong.

>>715193559
Normalfags are truly not human.

>>715194387
When youtubers started defending blind spending

>>715194313

The government should stop restricting what everyone does.
Maybe you no longer can process this train of thought after being forced to be vaxxed. How's your heart lil bro?

>we're now at the point where the video games industry is so large it requires regulation, regulation which will never be good because regulation is always bad
this is why we can't have nice things. you all fucking suck. OP is so fucking right.

>>715194252
I got a solution for that so both parties are happy. What if we take said games and, get this, it will blow your mind: we make them playable offline.

>>715185910 (OP)
Because

>>715194461
Arkham Knight was the last good AAA game.

I don't care about current issue, I just hate Pirate "I Rape Ferrets" Software

>>715194419
>the population
>>we don't want to be dicked around by companies

If you don't wanna be "dicked" around by companies why are you buying a switch 2? :S

>>715194563
We didn't cause this. Blame dipshit normalfags who will throw themselves on a spear in defense of a company trying to fuck their ass and take their wallet.

>>715194252
> IDIOT
>catposting
Oh look, its redditor tries to be edgy, how cute s/
Reddit is this way, faggot

>>715194309
You don't understand what bootlicking is.
Laws were invented by White man, and we make them for our benefit and to protect our kinds rights.
You don't understand laws or government because you are brown and your mind only thinks of rape, exploitation, scamming and thieving.

>>715193606
Stop killing games doesn't do ANYTHING about allowing you to perform DRM removal. You still aren't allowed to do SHIT to your videya.

>>715194419
Correction
The population
>>we don't want to be dicked around by companies
The solution
>don't buy from companies dicking around
The government
>>we're introducing regulations to prevent that
Retards
>YEEEEEAAAAH! LET'S GO! WE CAN BUY MORE FROM THOSE COMPANIES
Companies
>these guys are fucking retards they're buying more than ever

>>715194635
voting with your wallet has NEVER worked

>>715194563
>because regulation is always bad
I hope you enjoy brushing your teeth with sewage water then lmao

>>715194563
>not only reiterating what you've already said a hundred fucking times in this very thread, but referring to yourself in the third person
maldavius figsneed

>>715194594

You can just say you want piracy and move on.
One of the reasons companies love their perma online shit is it can't be cracked (most of the time), what you want is Ubisoft and EA shit to no longer require online connection so you can easily pirate it.

>>715185910 (OP)
good goyim.

>>715185910 (OP)
>why does daddy government have to protect you so much
The game companies are the ones relying on daddy government to give them copyright protection. Remove their copyright, and I'll let them kill their games.

>>715194614
Corporations are not legally mandated to make moralistic determinations, only to create profit. Mark Dowie should've been immediately mocked and regarded as unprofessional for making an emotional appeal.

>>715185910 (OP)
Question.
Why don't corporate bootlickers just offer themselves for corporate human experimentation?

You'd be better utilized as a paver on the road to a cure for cancer than shilling for corporations on /v/ for free.
They have Indians earning more than you to do this. You're a redundancy. You are not synergistically engaging with a forward thinking corporate cohesiveness towards maximum profitiability, both financially and humanitarianally.

>>715194642
No, I'm going to blame all of (You) because for decades it has been proven time and time again that every single fucking person in the world is an irredeemable fucking retard.

>>715185910 (OP)
Thing is, corporations already weaponise the power of the state against the population (IP, patents, etc.), why should't people respond in kind by using the power of the state against corporations?

>I freaking HATE the state!
>except when I can use it to my benefit hehe

>>715188360
ESL and putting the argument upside down. Companies shouldn't do it and government is there to enforce it. Even so if a company pollutes the land I can abstain from buying from it but it won't stop 10 other retards, thus company can continue polluting the world. It's in the government's best interest to curbstomp the pollution, force company to comply and make these 10 retards happy with a safe product.

>>715194758

You say that but then you cheer when vidya companies die because nobody bought their games.

So which one is it?
Voting with your wallet is not real, but go w*ke go broke is real? Are you stupid?

>>715186260
i thought everyone on /v/ was supporting skg because of the promise of dedicated servers, and this way neets on /v/ can just wait it out for a game studio to die so that they can finally host private servers for shitty mmos,
(or that was me alone? c'mon real niggas identify yourself, in future we would have private servers for bloodline champions, hon, dota you name it niggas)

>>715194808
>The game companies are the ones relying on daddy government to give them copyright protection.
Copyright isn't government controlled. Owners have to defend it themselves.

>>715194859
Because the video games industry will warp around the legislation to survive it in a twisted monkey's paw scenario that will make everyone reel. And even then they STILL won't stop buying games. Worthless consumer cucks.

>>715194710
Your naive and autistic idealism is one of the reasons why shit is so bad

>NOOOO ALL REGULATION IS BAD COMPANIES HAVE YOUR BEST INTERE-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_store

I see why the lolbertarian movement never gained any momentum

>>715194635
I didn't, because Nintendo pulls this shit. I want their ability to pull this shit taken away. I don't want things to get worse, but the majority of consumers are complete fucking retards with no standards, so this is a way for me to try and reverse some of the damage they are causing that affects me as well. If 20 years ago I could've signed a petition that banned horse armor, I would've.

>>715188974
They were misled. I fight for my misinformed bros

>>715194839
>Why don't corporate bootlickers just offer themselves for corporate human experimentation?
Same reason they're supporting SKG. They're cattle and no one is telling them to, yet.

>>715194905
There is no scenario where I would rather deal with a company's post service death release than just fucking figure that shit out and self host the service from there.

>>715194891

A company polluting the world affects you, me and everyone. It affects animals, it affects plants, it affects the entire world.

A videogame company shutting down Concord doesn't harm anyone.
Do you not see the difference between these two situations?

Or are you gonna die the day League of Legends closes its servers and all the whale who spent millions on skins lose that content forever?

>>715185910 (OP)
oh hi, Thor. kill yourself.

>>715194845
IM STARTING WITH THE MAN, IN, THE MIRROR

IM ASKING HIM TO CHAAAANGE HIS WAYS

>>715194965
>>715189603

>buy ticket to didney worl
>ticket lets you visit for the allowed period of time
>You can pay extra for more features that also expire
>This is fine

>download online only game
>online only game shutters
>AAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GUBMENT SAVE ME

>>715194819
Beautiful how you just proved why we need regulations., like the very air you breathe right now.

>>715194786
>you can easily pirate it
not argument, and not even in this case. The companies would only be obliged to make the game playable offline at the end of its life. That way the consumer can keep playing the game they payed for.

>>715194710
Laws were invented by govt and the rich to defend their interests and opress the masses of bipedal cattle

>>715194905
>i thought everyone on /v/ was supporting skg because

Because asmongold told them to, anon. They don't care about videogames they just repeat their favorite youtubers opinion.

>>715195032
wait you mean i won't be able to host a server and join it by writing connect 192.168.100.24 or something in the ingame console?

>>715194965
Not to mention this abuse went on for fucking decades in the US and people only stopped being financially enslaved by the invention of the automobile.

>>715185910 (OP)
i genuinely don't get why the government can be involved in protecting corporations for decades but the second someone suggests the government should protect the customer its TOO MUCH GOBERMENT TAMPERING, KEEP THEM OUT OF IT!!

>>715185910 (OP)
Unless you are Nintendo or a big game company CEO, why do you even care?

>>715194839
that would require having convictions and a personality
which they don't

>>715194965
>COMPANIES HAVE YOUR BEST INTERE-
You want to the irony here?
Government legislation only happens when people think this. You think it'll solve all of your problems because companies "have" to follow out of the goodness of your heart.

>>715194460
It wasn't by accident. But in any case, you will have your best interests as a consumer protected and you will like it :)

>>715195087
Cite specifically how my post proves any need for regulations. Make sure you include an objective definition of a need as opposed to a want.

>>715195073
"Every single person" includes me you non logic of language knowing illiterate shitty pop referencing motherfucker.

>>715194934
What country do you live in that companies send their own goons to enforce copyright rather than go through the courts or police?

>>715195008

Nobody was misled. They were told REPEATEDLY of the consequences of their actions and they chose to buy it anyways.

>>715194976
A "libertarian" that supports companies weaponising state power for their benefit is not an actual libertarian.
In capitalism the concept of "IP" doesn't exist. Piracy is not theft. Patents aren't real. These limitations are completely artificial and rely on state power to be enforced.

>>715185910 (OP)
The VAST majority of people who buy any system intend to buy everything they play, not pirate
How about stop being such an egregious bootlicking fag?
Your multibillion $ company will be just fine, the drones have already provided a "successful" launch and the nso is reverse engineered to be constant source of almost entirely free revenue
Now that Nintendo has made the transition complete, and all companies are full-blown aids tier corpo, I say fuck'em. And I hope the entire gaming industry fucking collapses.

>>715195023
>No U

Anon, please, Pranjesh Brapapoopivati can post that and he earns six dollars fifty a day for doing it.
You're doing it for free!

>>715195169
lmao that guy talking to anon like he's an ai
already lost in the ai sauce I see

>>715195110
>they payed for.

They PAID, not they PAYED.
Is everyone who supports SKG a brown third worlder?

>>715195084
>buy ticket to disney world
>its good for life and includes no clause that lets Disney executives shit in my mouth
>this is fine

>years later
>they change the rules
>now my ticket expires and is unrenewable after a short period of time
>there's a clause that says Disney executives can shit in my mouth
>I'm supposed to accept this and not tell you to go fuck yourself while signing legislation that reverses this dogshit

>>715185910 (OP)
>NOOO YOU CAN'T USE THE EXISTING POWER STRUCTURE TO GET WHAT YOU WANT! ONLY MULTINATIONAL CORPORATIONS AND ISRAEL GETS TO DO THAT!

>>715194976
Yeah, because they're fucking retarded

>>715195291
it's because 99.9% of these threads ARE AI you double nigger.

>>715195297
>ITS PAYNE

4chan users are fetuses who haven't moved out of their parents house so they haven't encountered the government sticking it's arm up your ass to the elbow and playing you like a puppet. They've never had to spend 2 years and $10k getting the permits and inspections to build a 10x10 shed in their own yard, so relinquishing more control over all of our lives to the government is an abstract thing to them. Why wouldn't making the government regulate their toys seem like a good idea to them?

>>715195302

Can you name a single videogame that "suddenly" turned perma online AFTER you bought it?

Tactical Libertarianism is when you react exclusively to laws you don't like with LE DADDY GOVERNMENT spergery.

>>715195185
I know, that's why I'm telling you to START WITH THE MAN

IN

THE MIRROR

>>715195323
Corporations provide value to the world and are compensated by being granted certain privileges. What value do you provide?

>>715195045
you first

>>715194538
>The government should stop restricting what everyone does.
and why should corporations be allowed to?

>>715190289
>don't buy online game
>it closes anyway
Huh?

i wish /v/ could have poster flags, not meme flags like kekistani or pirate like on pol, real anon location flags. even for a day, maybe on april fools, that would be nice. i'd like to know to whom i'm talking to, maybe they'll all be using vpns, maybe it's just bots, but still, that'd be so fucking funny.

>>715195297
/v/ is not an inglish cluss, teacher pet

>>715187032
Concord refunded everyone, literally the only good way to kill an always online game.

>yes goyn, corporates should dictate your life and do whatever they feel like. no power for the people

>>715195146
because I got scammed and I want my pain to be inflicted on others

>>715195297
anon I'm from europe, forgive

>>715185910 (OP)
because normie gamers are pathetic idiots

>>715195381
That's funny since in reality lolberts are 100% worthless autistic faggots. Kill yourself

>>715195386
Sure, Dusk. It gained multiplayer support a year after release, and it's there forever because it's not reliant on services that can ever be shutdown.

>>715193223
So then there should be no problem in fan servers then that bring back old services that are no longer available.

>>715195381
> who haven't moved out of their parents house
Look at state of economy, literal retard

>>715195169
>Corporations are not legally mandated to make moralistic determinations
Your corpo friends literally calculated it'd be cheaper to let people die than fix a fucking car so it wouldn't burst into flames you motherfucker, this shit really happen.
You cunts try to twist words and definition around to defend something so objectively bad you have to be close to mental retardation to even entertain the very thought for a fucking split second.
You are a bottom of the barrel corpo shill, you fucking rat. No arguments will convince anyone in this fucking thread except for your corpo rat friends that keep shilling in these threads you fucking garbage.
I’ll keep calling you corpo rats out for as long as i live, i hope you fucking kill yourself when you realise how much of a fucking societal garbage you are.

>>715195439
>even for a day, maybe on april fools, that would be nice.
Were you not here for /vint/?

>>715195491
Then it's not perma online you stupid retard.

>>715195192
Literally every country?
Who do you think sends a dmca?
Who do you think takes offenders to court?
Its not the government, it's a lawyer working on behalf of the owner, not the government.
You can't even argue that the judge is defending copyright because he can pass judgement either way.

If it were government controlled you wouldn't have the option to plead your case in the first place, copying would just result in an instant fine and/or jailtime.

>>715195395
holy fuck, that boot is so far up your ass, it's coming out of your mouth and posting in your behalf

>>715195491

Can you play Dusk offline? :)

>>715195395
You're a faggot cuckold cocksucker.

>>715195354
easy to offend too lol
bootlickers are fascinating, do you make some kind of a mush sound when you move your head, or are parts of your brain still salvageable?

lolberts are the most ineffective political group in modern history. all they care about are "muh freedumbs" which include allowing corporations to step all over them, and the ability to own unrestricted gunkopops.

>>715190589
I hope you drown in feces
Note it's pretty possible since you're indian SAAR

>>715195558
nigger give me a break i don't lurk here 24/7

H-Hey guys maybe you shouldn't buy games that are unfair to you, will close or consoles that will block anyways...

> /v/: REEE HOW DARE YOU, HOW FUCKING DARE YOU TELL ME NOT TO CONSUME!? IT IS MY RIGHT TO SPEND MY MOM'S MONEY ON VIDEOGAMES AND THE NEW NINTENDO SWITCH!!

Why /v/tards get so angry when they are told not to consume...

>>715191841
has been the case for over 10 years
everyone with an IQ above 80 left, we're still here

>BUT MY INFLUENCER SAID... the thread
/v/ is like 90% election tourists now :/

>>715186570
The desire to want a woke game to fail and it's company to go under and the desire for people to be allowed to continue to play the games they want when they want are not mutually exclusive.
If fags want to play Concord on private servers, I say let them have their fun. That doesn't mean I can't laugh at Sony floundering.

>>715195507
Yes but sadly fan servers are going to have to essentially build a game from scratch. Corpos can just hand over the server code to a game that's been dead for years anyway.

>>715195291
Because he most likely is. They try their hardest to change the tune of what is happening.
Don't forget corpos would rather have you dead then spend any amount of money to fix their broken product and only cat once they face the possibility of the government getting involved and fining them to hell.
This shit has been going on for decades by now.

>>715185910 (OP)
>He says serving the most protected nation in the world.

>>715195560
>it's online forever but it's not perma online
Are you retarded?

>>715195573
Yes. Are you aware this is how all games with multiplayer features were until recently?

>>715195626
Well they do get most of what they want, though that has more to do with pedophile blackmail than their own activism.

>>715190725
I agree, people should be punished for doing stupid things, that's why I want to punish game devs for having killswitches for games. glad we could come to an argument.

>>715192012
>Please stop noticing

>>715191113
Silence a embarrased millionaire, democracy is at work

>>715195682
90% of this thread is about IP law and ignoring Ross and Thor.

>>715195674
I understand what you're saying about government regulation but I don't get why you think the actions of consumers absolves corporations of the shitty things they do.

>>715195737
Perma online means you have to connect to the servers to play it. Dusk is not perma online.

>>715195737

So Dusk doesn't apply at all to what we were talking about? :)
I asked you off an offline game that suddenly turned perma online. You chose to mention a game that got a COOP update nobody is forced to engage with.

Are you incapable of mentioning a game that you bougt, was offline, and then DUN DUN DUN It turned perma online and now if servers close you can never play again?
Oh right, you won't mention any, because that's never happened.

So you're a lying piece of shit.

>>715185910 (OP)
I agree. The problem is those companies also use the government to enforce immoral laws. If companies are going to use the government to do immoral things, it's right for customers to use the government to reign in those companies.

>>715195768
>people should be punished for doing stupid things, that's why I want to punish game devs for having killswitches for games.
And as such you're removing the punishment. Consumers will never learn and will continue to blindly spend money.

>>715195556
You have no argument. You can't define anything objective because you are arguing from emotion, which is subjective and unenforceable. A corporation has no obligation to care about your happiness or comfort as a consumer at all, only to increase their profits. They do not exist for you, YOU exist for them.

>>715191179
>retarded take
>cat poster
Every time

>>715195565
The courts (as well as the enforcement that comes afterwards) is a part of the government. That the companies have to petition the courts for aid, does not change that fact.

>>715195674
They also love to assume you're either a snoy and/ or poor if you're not lining up to consoom everything nintendo pinches out
It's truly bizarre, and I'm glad switch 1 and everything leading up to 2 has completely disillusioned me from Nintendo's sleazy ways

>>715192012
>heh, some of you anti-epstein pedo blackmail people keep making it about jews and israel! that means pedo blackmail is good, actually!

>>715195806
who?

>>715185910 (OP)
I am, everyone else is not
Voting with your wallet is completely nullified by retarded whales
The market has already failed, left to its own devices it's clear that it cannot provide good outcomes for consumers, so unfortunately we'll need legislation

>>715195862
Far Cry 3. I need to log into my ubisoft account and be online to play it, even though I bought it when it was an offline game.

>>715185910 (OP)
>Why is it so hard for you to not buy shit that's harmful for you?
Because other people buy shit that's harmful for me.

>>715195684
>If fags want to play Concord on private servers, I say let them have their fun.
Funny you mention that

>>715195928
exactly.

>>715195810

Because it's not a shitty thing.

You buy a perma online game, the game dies, servers close? You don't get to cry. You're the one who bought a perma online dead game.

You buy a shitty overpriced console that will self block if you try to pirate it or hack it? You get what you deserve, not only for pirating it after being told not to, but for buying such an expensive manchild toy to begin with.

Actions have consequences. None of you are women, you should be able to reap what you sow.

>>715195832
You DO have to connect to servers to play it, but these are community provided, ones anyone can make. They can never be shutdown forever at all because the service is not something the developer has control over. 1000 years from now I can make a server and play it with other people no matter what the developer does.

>>715195862
>COOP update
Deathmatch actually.

I propose a different path...

Project GUTS (Give Us The Source).

Buyers of a game have the right to intimidate, threaten, hurt and/or kill developers to obtain their source code.

Are you signing?

>>715185910 (OP)
shit that is harmful to you shouldn't be on offer since it sets a bad example and you end up in hell every time as is evident by simply following how the industry killed off physical copies and cd drives for profit. you would have to be a completely emasculated numale to simp for hat

>>715193009
My CD copy of Tie Fighter stills works on my dosbox. If games from the 90s work, why can't games from 2010s continue to work once the company moves on?

>>715195893
I think it's more important to punish game publishers. Why do you suddenly want game publishers to be punished economically for their bad decision making? I agreed with your point about making people eat shit, but you seem to be making an exception.

I'm starting to think the corpo cocksucker cat spammer is a dogfucker falseflagging.

Anyone tried to argue that the free market works just needs to look at the food industry and the complete fucking sludge that is astronomically successful to the point of dominating entire markets despite objectively being extremely bad for you and overpriced.

>>715185910 (OP)
Reminder that corpo kikes have interest groups lobbying against SKG
These threads are literally created by shills

>>715195910
>They also love to assume you're either ... poor
They'd assume correctly!

>>715185910 (OP)
>americans
>dont understand democracy

>>715196128
I wonder what happened to all the "MCDONALDS IS CHEAP THAT MEANS CAPITALISM GOOD" people lately.

>>715196084
Why do you think your experience as a consumer holds more value than the profits of shareholders?

>>715196049
>just vote with your wallet that will stop companies to continue killing games
This doesn't work. I have never once touched Concord and yet it will still be gome forever. It is lost media now. This whole movement is to prevent the creation of more lost media.

>>715195908
>You can't even argue that the judge is defending copyright because he can pass judgement either way.
Why even bother with an argument that was already answered? Again, if it were government controlled this wouldn't happen at all. An offender would just be deemed guilty on the spot.

That said copyright isn't entirely free of government intervention. Expiry is an invention of the government and it's the one thing about copyright that is actually forced.

>>715195967

Far Cry 3 always required you to log in on Ubsifot, you dishonest piece of shit.

>>715192930
>consumers
It seems you have still not noticed, the totally organic resistance the skg proposal is propping up

>>715196057
>You DO have to connect to servers to play it
No you don't. You can turn off your internet, launch dusk, and play single player. You are not required to have an internet connection to play dusk.
Perma online means you turn off internet, get to the title screen, and get a message saying "cannot connect to the servers please try again"

>>715196049
Another consequence might be that the corporations that do this get fucked over by EU regulations. You should be able to reap what you sow

Why are corporations allowed to collude and scheme but when workers do the same thing but on a smaller scale it's communist evil?

>erm just let the free market decide, why are you upset about things getting worse?
do none of you remember this shit?

>>715186865
>if they stopped their anti-consumer dealings, people would change their outlook on them
People are buying their consoles and games in droves, what are you even talking about?

>>715185910 (OP)
>I genuinely don't get it
you better read the petition again slowly then because your assumptions are retarded

>>715185910 (OP)
it's good when daddy government forces the bad people to do the right thing, and you're retarded if you think all coordination problems are solved in an easier way without using government. The government is right there, might as well use it when it's useful

EU took away the casino in pokemon so they can suck my balls and I trust them with nothing.

>>715196302

But that it's not gonna happen. Your pathetic youtuber drama initiative is not gonna go anywhere. Online games that close will keep existing.Nintendo switch 2 will still be overpriced garbage that can get blocked the second you try to hack it.

There's nothing you can do about that, other than not buy it.
But seems the option of NOT BUYING IT does not register in your brain.

>>715196121
>I think it's more important to punish game publishers
The problem is you aren't doing that, in fact things like skg give them the world on a platter by convincing the general public that it's safe to not put any thought into their purchases and freely buy from them.
Meanwhile companies will create something even more predatory using the legal loopholes you've given them

>>715185910 (OP)
It's a systematic problem. All companies now "sell" you stuff but they actually retain ownership.
>Just don't buy it lol
is just not a solution when everyone's doing it. I will own things and I will be happy. You can't stop me, corposlave.

>>715195715
yeah, those bots are insufferable
I'm glad this movement is getting traction, for once gamers are tackling something relevant not only for the gaming industry, but all the tech industry as a whole by setting a precedent (if it works)
all the outrage about wokeism and other people's genitals is getting tiring, and probably corporate fed too, so it's nice to see people mobilize for something worthy this time

>>715196312
Why do you care so much about things you aren't going to buy existing?

>>715196306
because the corporations pool their ressources and buy lawmakers who then tell you standing up for YOUR right is communism. rules for thee but not for me

>>715196312
But the free market is magic that makes everything immediately better. The great chain is infallible.

>>715196426
Kill yourself, faggot

>>715196298
Why would you ever want an internet connection to be necessary to play singleplayer? Before live service shit you could still play multiplayer games forever going forward no matter what the devs did. Why are you splitting hairs over whether it's singleplayer or multiplayer? They shouldn't be able to shutdown either.

>>715196312
proof that saturation works
people can't even get mad about about shit like this anymore without people rolling their eyes, simply because its so common as to become "normal" somehow

>>715196312

Don't buy it?
Why do you need a videogame's fictional horse armor?

>>715196426
If the initiative had no chance of succeeding you pajeets wouldn't be here arguing.

>>715195942
>Voting with your wallet is completely nullified by retarded whales
I have to believe the good fight is still worth fighting, Anon. Voting with my wallet is about all I have in this era of LCD bloat, uninspired/ unenlightened sequels, prequels, reboots, reimaginings and just plain ol' general same-y bullshit
I own princess mononoke on bluray, and have a backup on my plex server
But when I heard of the theatrical reshowing about 30 mins away, I gladly went and paid to watch it again. I'm more than happy to pay for something I want, that deserves to be rewarded. Outside of the gc upscale emulator and kirby air riders, I see no reason to get a switch 2, and because switch 2 and Nintendo in general has put such a bad taste in my mouth, it's not enough to convince me, I'll just replay my faves on the og hardware
>it's clear that it cannot provide good outcomes for consumers, so unfortunately we'll need legislation
Sad to say, but I completely agree

>>715186034
hello tourist
>>715187032
>and none of those flopped much to your dismay
lol?

Normal consumers
>Hey I bought this game x years ago with the expectation that I would be able to play it forever. Now that the servers are being shutdown I do not have the ability to play the game anymore nor receive a refund due to their company policy. I don't think it should be legal for a company to arbitrarily decide to shut down a game and make it unplayable for everyone because they no longer feel like supporting the game.
Retard shills in this thread
>WHY DID YOU BUY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE???
>UHHH WHAT ABOUT MUH EULA THAT I TOTALLY READ WITH EVERY GAME???

>>715196462
Because before this became commonplace, that armor would've been an in game unlockable.
>you aren't going to buy
I already bought the game.

>>715195810
>the actions of consumers absolves corporations of the shitty things they do
Ubisoft supporting The Crew servers for 10 years, after the game had been massively discounted and free multiple times and its own sequels had already come out is hardly "shitty". I find it baffling that The Crew is the focal point of all this retardation and not, say, Concord, a game whose plug was pulled in a month while it was still $60 on the shelf. It's almost like the whole thing is just a thinly veiled excuse to dunk on Ubisoft and not about consumer rights at all...

Doesn't basically every live game have bots nowadays?

>>715196456
>is just not a solution when everyone's doing it.

Then they get screwed, you don't. What's the issue?
You buy a gun, you point at your head, you shoot. Oh no, you die. Maybe you shouldn't have bought it?

>>715193971
How is it different? All laws take away freedom in exchange for protection

>>715194081
Lucky us rape is still illegal and government will prosecute all offenders. The same will happen when publishers kill the game without EoL plan. Thank you EU!

>>715196312
I like how "don't like it don't buy it" is the "consoomer drone" angle because it means "buy it anyway and complain later" is somehow anti-corporate.

>>715196530
Why do you need a videogame?

I don't buy this shit, yet it continues to exist. Ignoring the problem never works retard, you're just allowing it to fester. Why does it piss you off so hard that people want corporations and their live service bullshit to be put under control?

>>715187568
ironically they could recoup some small losses if they let concord have fan server. you're bound to get some suckers to buy it.

>>715196530
I don't buy into jewish schemes, generally. However since I am not a teenaged lolbert, I care about systems beyond myself.

>>715196221
The judge is part of the goverment. His judgement is a crucial step in enforcing copyright. Without court enforcement there would be no copyright.

>>715196676
dopamine release.
It makes me happy :)

>>715196456
>All companies now "sell" you stuff but they actually retain ownership.
That's literally how it always worked. I'm beginning to think you people really are bots at this point

>>715196049
By your own definition of it, perma online should not even exist.

>>715185910 (OP)
>Be BR
>pay like 1/2 of yearly income in taxes and government wants to increase taxes
>president tells poor people that if the food is too expensive then they should just not buy it
>but at least they're protecting us from the evil Nintendos bricking themselves!
We can't even afford to buy Switch 2s, Nintendo's retarded anti-consumer bullshit is the least of our worries

>>715195898
kek, thanks Grok, next time don't forget pointing out how Ford didn't try to avoid fixing a car is more important than human lives and that's somehow good for everyone.

lmao the faggot cat spammer gets barely any replies even though he spams on cooldown timer

>>715194252
Yep, that game with "always online" print? It'll come with offline patch soon. Can't wait.

>>715196617
Because something that WAS good and I was interested in is now shit? How the fuck is this your argument? Bad business practices being rewarded directly harms anyone who enjoys the products of that business even if it is not presently being done by the sectors of that business they are involved with.

>>715196761
>That's literally how it always worked.
Nope.

>>715196768

But it does exist and people enjoy it. So it's gonna keep existing, retards are gonna keep buying.

They don't get to cry about lost money when the game closes though because nobody forced them to buy it.

>>715194758
It's working now since the system got fixed, I'm sorry you live in a socialist shithole.

>>715194387
It pays the bills in india

>>715196591
Meanwhile in reality
Normal consumers
>oh this game is always online? What if it goes down or my Internet is out? I won't be able to play it will I? No thanks, I'll buy a game that isn't always online.
Retard shills in this thread
>I bought the game and I'm so mad about it that I'm going to give corporations more power and shill it on 4chan

Anyone against SKG is a paid shill.

It's not even remotely reasonable to demand a company has the right to disable products you own.
No thinking human believes this.

>>715196774
>Ford didn't try to avoid fixing a car is more important than human lives and that's somehow good for everyone
Can you structure a coherent argument that says otherwise or are you only capable of baseless axioms?

>>715196890
jewshartia is a collapsing shithole. are you retarded?

>>715196824
Not necessarily
>but muh skg
The movement is totally fine with the publisher just adding a disclaimer that the game can eventually shut down on the box

>>715196754
Again
>You can't even argue that the judge is defending copyright because he can pass judgement either way.
You just aren't reading what's being said

>>715196867

IT NEVER WAS GOOD YOU STUPID BITCH.

op is a faggot that should get raped

Unironically why are there retards on this board falling into blind rage over this? Why does it piss you off that I want to loudly and openly speak up against the problem rather than ignoring it, like you apparently want me to?
Would you be crying this hard if Steam refunds became a thing today? Answer honestly.

>>715196184
I won't speak for that anon, but from my own experience, any time I've mentioned concerns and a general discontent for Nintendo's conduct since the switch came out, it's nothing but hivemind tier
>Hurr, just stop being poor
>Durr, snoys so jealous with their no games
Just letting the system's exploitive online "service", upscaled bare minimum just-technically "4k", bare minimum hdr, non oled screen, gaggles of ports, and original games only have very niche or conditioned audiences, and other "features" speak for themselves, I guess

>>715196821
I love cats but catposters are some of the lowest on the site.
Evil retards every time.

>>715187032
>YOU GUYS LAUGHED that Concord closed IMMEDIATLY, you didn't think for a second "wow maybe we should stop killing games", no, YOU CHEERED that Concord closed.
The three people who care about that game would be able to play it if the legislature SKG is asking for was already implemented when that happened.

>>715196869
Yes, yes it is. There's never been a time where buying a copy gave you control over the entire property.
That's why copying a book is also protected.

>>715196947
But you agreed that they could do so when you bought the product.

This is like going to a restaurant, signing a piece of paper that explicitly says they have the right to take your food away from you after paying without warning, and then crying like a little fucking baby when they yank your food away before you are finished. You don't have the right to cry when you willingly agree to this, and if more people than you are ok with this, the system flourishes and that is perfectly fine. The world does not revolve around you.

>>715196947
This. Us SKG people are very smart, which youtuber tell you to support SKG bro? for me, it was Asmongold.

The funny thing is that the corpo cocksuckers on modern 4chan aren't even "real" lolberts. The real, old /pol/ lolberts were hardcore anti-zionists who hated American capitalism because it wasn't "le real capitalism". They did not suck jew dick and beg for microsoft to assfuck them. It's such a bizarre LARP.

>>715196964
>we need the socialist US AIDS to survive
When didn't need it before and we don't need it now. If it isn't being used for the purpose it was built for, then there is no reason for it to exist.

>>715196508
Why are you saying that's what I want, stupid? I don't want that, that's why I don't buy games that have it. The topic of conversation is why the government needs to step in to dictate what can and can't be sold when it comes to service games.
Why should people be told what they can and can't do because some people were stupid and bought into a game knowing that one day the servers would close?

>>715194429
Vidya is not lava you silly cat. Also EULAs aren't binding. I paid for the game, I didn't rent it. It should work 30 years from now, just like my NES Contra is working today. It's only fair.

>>715197060
Its shills. People that are bought by companies to shut us down. That's why when Steam refunds became a thing all the anons bitching about it magically disappeared.

>>715185910 (OP)
>consumer rights... le bad!

>>715197079
Sounds like you're making things up.

>>715197060
> Why do people want me to be held accountable for my actions and stop consuming shit instead of blaming corporations and demanding the government change the world to protect me from my consoom addiction?

It's a mystery.

>>715196452
Game companies seem to think it's very onerous and costly to be able to make private servers for live service games, and I agree with them, I want them to ramp up their initial costs significantly. I want them to spend all that money desperately trying to make a cash cow while millions of people get the opportunity to learn patience.

EoS means that any cosmetics or anything purchased for the live games can just easily be downloaded for free. FOMO consumers and greedy publishers get punished, while good consumers and good game devs get rewarded.

You seem weirdly quiet on corporations being punished. Why don't you want them punished economically?

>>715196049
So does that mean corporations should do whatever they feel like? How does this benefit stakeholders? Consumers are responsible for their own choices like what you said in your tobacco/smoking example but companies are also responsible for their own products (such as smoking companies for the longest time saying nicotine isn't addictive / promoting to minors). Look at the Enron scandal for a good example of a corporation fucking over its stakeholders.
The way liabilities and contracts work in business law is very nuanced. It should go both ways by protecting consumers and corporations so there's a mutually beneficial relationship that satisfies both parties which WAS the case for videogames before the 2000s. If you want to aim for a truly free market that is healthy, it is important to consider the rights of both consumers and corporations.
I understand your sentiment of consumers being responsible for their own actions, but it's not as black and white as you think it is. There's a reason why you have attorneys being paid huge fuckton of money dealing with business litigations.

>>715197123
None. What told me to support SKG is that people complained about always online shit for over a decade or longer at this point, yet it continues to exist and is more agressive. No, I will not ignore the problem. Fuck off.

>>715194735
Yes it does, watch Ross's last video

>>715197123
Soo true sister

>>715196761
What the fuck are you talking about. Buying stuff meant you own it. Your thing broke? Just repair it. Want it to do something the manufacturer didn't include? Just install the software you want, including the drivers if necessary.

Nowadays, you can't just repair things because every part is signed and will refuse to work unless a good goy tool only the manufactuer and (((authorized repair))) re-signs it. You don't get to decide whom you trust.
Installing software the manufacturer didn't explicitly bless?! Just because it's your device (on paper)?! Blasphemy!!!! How DARE you!!!!
And that's not even talking about installing drivers or custom services because of course you don't get access to the administrator account.

It's like buying a car and the dealership keeps the keys. So every time you want to ride your car, you have to beg for them to open the door for you. That's definitely NOT how "it always worked".

>>715197173
>I paid for the game, I didn't rent it.

You paid for the license, so you did rent it, silly billy.

>>715196306
Because corporations "are people too", but workers who are actual people are less than scum because money is the only thing that gives value in bergerland, and fortunately for everyone, the oh so generous JoB cReAtOrS are generous enough to keep taking and keeping all for themselves. Makes the line very clear, ya know?

>>715197165
Why do corporations become "people" when it sounds better for your disingenuous argument? We aren't debating what individuals can do with their own shit, but corporations being allowed to take shit away from you after you already bought it. Service games should not exist.

>>715196947
i refuse to believe it too but as the decades go by and new generations grow up with this crap it becomes their new normal and they accept it. in 20 years zoomers will cry about the next generation of retards jumping head first into the next corporate scheme which will probably demand you sign into the cloud with your digital id to access your 100 game if this shit isn't stopped dead in its tracks

>>715193940
Maybe he just didn't want your "help"?

If you love a console enough to brand yourself with it you probably have one or even multiple.

>>715197326
$100

>>715197268
>No, I will not ignore the problem. Fuck off.

Yet SKG has been around for years and you SUDDENLY started to care about it when there was youtuber drama involving cat fights between e-boys

Who do you think you are fooling?
> I am a noble knight! i always cared about the cause!
>> Suddenly starts to care when it's the trendy youtube drama thing to talk about

You're a slut.

>>715193137
damn, your country sucks

>Nooooo just let corpos do whatever the fuck they want! They should be ALLOWED to take advantage of people who don't know any better!

It's obvious that any posts against SKG are either trolls or paid shills. There is clearly a janny or mod who works for one of the big publishers too who kept deleting or moving threads about SKG

>>715185910 (OP)
>NO STOP WAIT YOU CAN'T JUST CRIMINALIZE BAD BEHAVIOR FOR THE SAKE OF THE WELL BEING OF SOCIETY

i agree with the accountability thing to be honest. big corporations that do this shit should be held accountable and ass fucked into bankruptcy and learn their lesson. otherwise corporations are just rewarded.

I love how r*ddit and reset era has been banning so many people we got an influx of underage, commie transexual retards in here.
Only a r*ddit refugee would support SKG.

I'm reminded of the attempted sweep of lootbox bans and games like overwatch ended up switching to a much more strict and expensive system.

>>715185910 (OP)
>Why is it so hard for you to not buy shit that's harmful for you?
Why it's so hard for you understanding that we need regulations?
Even if people stopped to buy, we would still need regulations, because it's the right thing to do.

If it were for people like you, we would still have lead in the fuel.

>>715197210
>You seem weirdly quiet on corporations being punished. Why don't you want them punished economically?
I should be asking you that question given you're willing to spend more and more on them yet refuse the one action that would actually punish them economically, not buying their product.

That's the only thing that works and has worked in the past.

>>715197394
>Yet SKG has been around for years
11 months and yes, these things usually get a rush of signatures in the first month or two and the last month because that's when they get the most coverage

dystopia is a bottomless pit and there are no brakes on the corporate train. it will continue to get worse forever until stopped at least for a while before the next nefarious scheme of infinite growth emerges

>>715197450
Why the fuck am I being held accountable because other retards are making shit worse? I'd rather pass laws that get these retards to knock it the fuck off because they clearly won't on their own volition.

The most sweet part about this whole SKG forced youtuber drama is that in a month nobody will remember it, it will go nowhere, the imitative won't pass and all the terminally online retards defending it will have moved onto the next youtuber drama.

>>715194751
your solution isn't one

>>715197321
>Service games should not exist.
Why?

>>715185910 (OP)
the industry has trained me to only play "dead" games

but you can't expect gamers as a whole to learn because new ones with no experience are always being made

Why am I as a consumer supposed to think regulations are bad?

this entire situation summarized:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE

>>715197549
I agree.

>>715196591
FFRK for me
>>715196936
True, but at a certain point, most games "require" online, even if you're not actively playing. That's part of the bullshit. Unless you go completely off the grid with retro gaming and pirating, there's not really much of an option left. I think govt interference with something like this is a good thing, because investors don't give a flying fuck about games. They'll continue practices that exclusively benefit them until they kill most, if not all the industry, and they'll simply move along to the next thing they can bleed dry
The worst part is most people don't see them for the parasites they are, simply because they get their pretty 4k and open world slop

/v/ is very leftist coded and always have been, and now that it's mostly brown people anyways they are addicted to gibs in real life, so why not when it comes to video games too?

>>715196312
But nothing happened back then either, the microtransactions only got significantly worse almost immediately with zero regulation and no significant backlash besides the terminally online internet people.

>muh youtuber drama
And you are calling other people terminally online. I bet most people who signed it didn't even know about any drama

>>715197659
Because someone who has something to gain from deregulation told you so.

>>715197639
Because a game being able to be shut down permanently as opposed to staying playable forever is clearly bad for consumers?

>>715197532
I think making them adhere to insane legal regulations, increasing their costs and curbstomping their captive market is a better punishment and would work. Then even less people would be willing to buy bad live service games, because if it's good they can just wait for EoS and pirate it. That works better than your idea, and punishes everyone.

>>715185910 (OP)
>"C-customer protections shouldn't exist!"
Go live in an cutthroat anarchist society or a dark, dystopian cyberpunk future. That's so obviously a terrible idea.

>>715197487
>because it's the right thing to do.

"Why do we need X thing?" "BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO"
Holy shit go back to r*ddit you disgusting smelly freak. What a ridiculous "appeal to emotion" embarrassing shit you tried to pull, seriously, die.

>>715197692
I think this might actually be the first time I've heard /v/ of all fucking things be called leftist. NiggerniggerNiggernigger

>>715195040
It harms me though. Maybe I'd like to play it 10 years from now. Maybe I'd like to see what all the drama was about. It's an important milestone. I can't now but it'll change soon for all future games.

>>715197698
i just heard there was a petition to fuck with publishers and give the consumer his right of ownership back. no idea who all these cancerous faggots are and i do not care nor will i ever

>>715197060
Because they're either actual paid shills, mindbroken bootlickers, or they own stock in nintendo. There's literally no good reason to defend them at this point.

>>715197692
>That's right, goy. If you're a REAL white patriot, you LOVE it when companies can legally steal from you.
>If you're against that, you're a black brown gismedat - you don't want that, do you?! Oy vey...

I'm running low on cat pictures, just keep giving me replies. I'm sick of you shit sucking piles of trash not doing exactly what I want you to all the time. You exist purely to give me dopamine hits, nothing more. Don't fucking talk back, just say "yes master, you are right master, of course master", you fucking swine.

>>715193560
Got any proof? I'd love to see it.

>>715197698
>I bet most people who signed it didn't even know about any drama

Then why did it start getting signatures AFTER the pirate software controversy? :S
Just a coincidence of course, not because Asmongold told you to support it :S

>Don't like it, don't buy it
Hmm yes, because I like to see my hobby degrade in real time because companies cannot stop scamming people. I also enjoy seeing games die with no preservation possible because despite being in an information medium with theoretical infinite storage and can be replicated theoretically infinitely, unlike books and physical medium with natural wear and tear lasting hundreds of years.
Fucking retards.

>>715197031
No, I'm reading it and disagreeing with that statement. Judges are defending copyright even if they have the option to choose not to (that would not really be doing their job though since copyrights are regulated by laws, and it is their job to uphold the law).

>>715197865
On some level, you know that everyone left in your life is right. You NEED the meds.

>>715197749
How is it bad for consumers? You sign up for temporary entertainment. Do you think theme parks or movie theaters are anti consumer?

I love how the catfaggot just ignores every single post questioning why things that make the industry worse as a whole should be defended.

>>715197568
You seem to care very much though, seeing as you keep making these threads. :)

>>715197865
No worries, we sort of clowned on you anyway. You provide a really good opportunity for people that are undecided on the matter to agree with our side.

Online components forced into games that clearly don't need them is a smokescreen for planned obsolescence. Companies lost the plot.

>>715197865

I don't talk like that.

>>715195124
are you so desperate to feel superior that you make up strawmen?

>>715197950
Theme parks and movie theaters are services by necessity, unless you are rich enough to just buy one yourself. Games, for most of their history, were not, and transitioning from a game you can play forever whenever you feel like it to one that can be shut down at the whim of others is obviously a step in the wrong direction.

>>715197865
>I'm running low on cat pictures
amateur

>>715195145
Corpo shills, that's who

>>715197914
Because a lot of youtubers talked about how it's something good and you should sign it without ever even touching any drama

Now go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of

>>715198023
That sounded very much like it was written by a schizo faggot so it's literally indistinguishable from your posts.

>>715197950
Explain how I can play Gran turismo 1,2,3,4,5,6 without internet but somehow Gran turismo 7 requires one.

>>715187032
No, it's not the same because concord is not a video game - it's a tax write off that was meant to fail.

>>715197968

Imagine being so underage you believe ad populum fallacy is a thing and it can change the world lmao.

>>715197913
The proof is that it's unfalsifiable.

>>715197197
Go to any given archived switch 2 thread, and at least half of the posts immediately responding to any criticism are those 2, or similar enough. Unless this is your first time on /v/, or at the very least your first s2 thread, I can't imagine anyone that genuinely stupid, or ignorant/ oblivious

>>715197659
regulations can be bad, particularly when the people being regulated capture the legislator. That's probably not the case for vidya yet but there's still unintended consequences and stuff

>>715197394
your boyfriend deserves better than you

>>715198017
I cannot believe we are at the point where vidya companies think they have enough clout to say the quiet part out loud. Not even Apple is stupid enough to actually outright state they make old products worse to force you to buy new products.

>>715197208
if someone drugged you, forced you to do something reprehensible/you disagree with, would you think you're at fault for doing that thing?
corpos brainwash people, should they be allowed to do that? should the people be held responsible for being brainwashed?
did your mother cradle you too close to the wall when you were a toddler?

>>715197828
yes you fucking tourist, 4chan has always been a leftist website. ironic nigger posting has nothing to do with it.
>>715197854
>i need the government to protect me from ubisoft nuking 20 year old shovelwhare
who cares, literally who cares? if this was about banning gacha games entirely or gambling mechanics or enshrining a consumer's right to publically archive abandoned media it would be great, but it's not. it doesn't address any of the real world political issues that are a part of this complicated medium. fuck, the actually cause célèbre at the core of this is the fact that companies are selling you licenses and that you don't own the software, and spoilers this movement has nothing to do with changing that. the demands of skg are so general and vague that it's impossible to discuss anyways.

>>715185910 (OP)
The government is the weapon of the people and should be swung at retarded companies who fuck around.

>>715197293
>Buying stuff meant you own it.
Yeah, it meant you own that one single instance.
You don't own the concept of a car because you bought one.
You don't own the literary works of Dean Koontz because you bought his books.
You don't own the Lion King because you bought it on VHS.

That's how it's always worked and how it still works.
>you can't just repair things because every part is signed and will refuse to work unless a good goy tool only the manufactuer and (((authorized repair))) re-signs it.
Fun fact, the only company that did that was apple and they were taken down hard for it. Meanwhile I can solder in a set of hall effect sticks into my ps4 controller and it'll work fine. In fact I took my ps4 to unauthorised repair shop not too long ago and they fixed it up fine. They didn't even swap it around because I marked the drive and ps4 itself but I digress.

The point is that you are so ridiculously uneducated on these matters that frankly it's just embarrassing to read your posts since you're just spewing irrational jargon about things you don't and refuse to understand.

>It's like buying a car and the dealership keeps the keys
No, it's like buying a car, getting the keys and the manufacture keeps their brand while you get a physical car because that's how it always worked.

>>715197438
>muh free market and tos!!!!! big daddy nintendo should put out even less effort for EVEN MORE return!!!!!

>>715198187
Why do you think you crying about it matters?

>>715198208

Oh my god you stupid bitch.
Nobody brainwashed you or forced you to buy online games or the Switch 2 you stupid whore

What is wrong with you?
You being unable to stop buying slop is not corporations fault.
Have some self control for once.

>>715197950
Movie theater is a service, movie dvd is a product
Some place offering arcade machines is a service, bought games are products

Standards are created by the majority of customers
The majority is retarded
By allowing shit to exist shit will be chosen as the standard
Voting with your wallet barely ever works unless it's universally known something is shit, but we're dealing with Nintendo here, they will succeed even if they defecate on a box and try to sell it. And other corporations will follow suit since they succeed. We have the phones we have now because Apple set shitty standards. The same is happening with Nintendo. No, this should not be allowed as a choice for retarded customers.

>>715198017
>burn down house
>sue ubisoft for not giving clear instructions on how to destroy my legally owned copy of the game
Could this work? Like the guy that got like hundreds of millions of dollars for drinking paint because the can didn't specify not to?

>>715198301
You can stop samefagging now

>>715198291
Then why the fuck can't I play it forever if I own it, genius?

>>715198238
>The government is the weapon of the people

That's why Trump rapes children?

>>715195217
No, they are kids and can't understand reason. I can't talk sense to my son that Roblox will chew and spit my credit card. The best course of action is to legislate offline mode or community servers through the government. I know there are other fathers with problematic sons. It's a group effort.

>>715198416
Trump rapes kids because he's a millionare. He's was lobbied into office by other corporate faces like Elon Musk.

>>715198429
>I can't talk sense to my son that Roblox will chew and spit my credit card.

What a shit dad you must be then if you can't explain something so simple to your son. I hope there's a tranny in Roblox grooming him right now.

>>715186718
It's not even the same game. SKG started with the Crew, while game is woke flop is referring to Concard.

Just look at what happened to the American food supply when they could vote with their wallet on what to eat, do you want the same for video games?

This argument only gets pulled when the powers that be want to continue exploiting you

>>715198542

He's the government now.

>>715198579
But anon, I NEED my quarter pounder rifht now!

>>715195381
So typical taxpayer has to do all that and vidya companies don't? Feels like they have it too easy, no?

>>715185910 (OP)
We should abolish all government and live in a paradise like Ethiopia.

>>715198416
the usa govt works for:
>corporations
>israel
>anybody with large sums of money
and usa citizens have let these groups of people monopolize political power. not too hard to figure out.

>>715195389
Done
I'm going for the rest misinformed mofos out there

>>715198695
Sounds gay, like homosexual gay. I would be king fag since I'd have to rape my way to power.

>>715198725

Yeah the EU government is so much different letting its citizens be gangraped by muslims

>>715198837
he was being ironic

>>715198332
>Have some self control for once.
>has over 50 posts (10%) in this thread alone
kek

>>715197786
>I think making them adhere to insane legal regulations, increasing their costs and curbstomping their captive market is a better punishment and would work.
Of course you would think that, your conclusion didn't come from a place of logic and rationality, it comes from anger. You feel tricked and betrayed so much so that you don't see that your actions won't lead to that.
I mean, say everything goes off without a hitch. Do you think companies are going to play nice and do everything by the book? Or do you think they're just going to say, kill the game and release an offline version at full price forcing you to pay again. Which of course you will since you lack restraint.
After all, for a game with DRM it wouldn't cost them much to just remove it in a patch but I'm rambling now.

>Then even less people would be willing to buy bad live service games
You should be less willing now. You've already been burned and know how not to get burned but for some reason, you haven't learned your lesson and just want to funnel even more money into the company.

>>715198908
And I'm not.

>>715198860
i've never implied eu doesnt do the same. im not defending it, you're right in a sense. to their credit, some power is given to the regular citizen, but not too much.

>>715198416
That's why Trump gets rid of illegal immigrants and trannies :)

>>715198579
the same thing is already happening to vidya in the same way regardless. The boiled frog approach is undefeated. They slowly creep the dick up your ass with every passing moment

>>715198291
>>715198291
What are you talking about. I'm talking about ownership of the one thing - let's say Switch 2 - I bought. Not "ownership of the concept of the Switch 2 and all of its intellectual copyright" or whatever.

This is about Nintendo being able to brick "your" console - which they can only do because the thing does not truly belong to you, even though you bought it. The Nintendo Switch 2 you bought, not "the concept of Nintendo Switch 2".

>Want to ride car
>Ask dealership to unlock it with their keys (you can't own them because "it's too dangerous!!!")
>Dealership refuses: You were a bad goy, you installed an illegal ashtray without authorization. This violated the (((Terms and Services))) somewhere, allowed them to refuse to let you use your car
>You can never use your car ever again
>$40,000 stolen

>>715189292
Boycotts worked pre-internet age. Read up on https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf, and you can see that the Civil Rights movement got success by economically destroying business.
You won't get that now a days because everyone is so jagged, and this is about games which are inherently a low brow/consumerist market. Kids/teenagers who play Fifa 20XX aren't going to care enough to boycott.

>>715198291
>the only company that did that was apple
>he doesn't know about the farming vehicles

>>715198725
Hey, all muricans and an embarrassingly large amount of "normal" americans see them as
>muh job creators, and defenders of bluh bluh bluh
>Of course they'll help us
americans were always at a invisible disadvantage, the reagan era, and corpo shenanigans only made that disadvantage visible, but by that time, the conditioning was complete

>>715198332
yeah don't worry about me, I'm really not the biggest consumer
I'm just smart enough to notice when I'm being brainwashed
you live in a corporate world, anon, you better realize it
https://page.warc.com/global-ad-spend-outlook-2024-25-thank-you.html?aliId=eyJpIjoiM09jWDJEdWhveEp0VW1oRSIsInQiOiI5VVdPS3JtUTRmU3hWSmt3N1NkM0lRPT0ifQ%253D%253D
here is a very interesting read (if you know how to read)
1 trillion dollars, that's the budget for marketing globally last year, you seriously think all that money would be wasted away if it didn't work?

>>715199071
ok?

>>715199002

I'm bored and refusing to study.

>>715197927
>I'm reading it and disagreeing with that statement
It's not an opinion, you can't disagree. It's as much a fact as 1 plus 1 is 2.
Judges don't defend copyright, they take in the information from both the plaintiff and defendant and come to a conclusion based on that.
If they were obligated by law to defend copyright then there would be no court offenders would just lose.

>>715185910 (OP)
because we pay taxes
and meta-capitalists are already in bed with daddy gov

>>715192920
Man this is a very insightful post, even the (((reddit))) spacing flows well in the post.

>>715199248
study what?

>>715199170
indeed, truly sad to watch. i'd have some sympathy for them if they werent astoundingly brainwashed.

>>715199359
You didn't prove him wrong

>>715199112
>This is about Nintendo being able to brick "your" console - which they can only do because the thing does not truly belong to you, even though you bought it. The Nintendo Switch 2 you bought, not "the concept of Nintendo Switch 2".
And that is because it's their property, they don't own your switch, but they own THE Switch.
They own the online services.
They own the store.
They own the software running on your switch.

They can do as they please because they own it.

Also they have an obligation to protect other users from people who would abuse online features and whatnot.

>>715193435
High IQ people are the anomalies, not the low IQ ones. Society is built on legions of the illiterate. Why shouldn't we have laws to protect them?

>>715199274
i dont think you wont be seeing anyone these days defending corporations, specially commies.

>>715199373

For my final test for which if i don't get over 70% score i fail my whole year and i haven't read anything yet and it's tomorrow

>>715199154
>he thinks that software is hardware
I'm not even that anon but holy shit are you retarded.

>>715199505
what's the subject?

>>715196049
We're sowing the government regulation. We'll reap offline modes and server binaries. Good times all around.

>>715199505
By study what he meant "what subject?" retard
Man you're so fucking dense no wonder why you have shit arguments in this thread.

>>715199425
Presumably you're elsewhere
At least you're not surrounded by these fleets of mouthbreathers
t. embarrassed and defeated us citizen

>>715199580
>>715199613

Medicine.

>>715199456
>like a post enough to screen cap it for myself and future use, about the importance of community and belonging in a bigger community
>non-sequitor quip aimed to bring me into an argument
I don't even know who I'm proving wrong, by saying I like the post.

>>715199495
>And that is because it's their property
when you BUY something, its YOUR property. and thats precisely the root of the problem. the kind of mental gymnastics you're displaying here are the same corpo arguments are saying in order to pull a fast one. and why we need SOMETHING to wack them into sense, like... a government. we also can use violence, but that's a last resort.

>>715199495
Nintendo has the ability to brick your console remotely, for all intents and purposes they control it therefore they own it

>>715199720
I'm not trying to bring you into an argument, I'm only stating a truth that happened :)

>>715185910 (OP)
That is literally the government's job. We created our government for a reason. The government exists to serve the common man.

>>715199495
And it's that that needs to be corrected. So we can get back to you truly owning things.
For companies to not be able to just say
>Oh, you didn't buy thing, you bought LICENSE to thing, therefore, we can just fuck you over any way we want and you have no rights.

This power imbalance is an absolute cancer that has metastasized over the last years and it needs to be healed.

>>715199779
Your license of access is the property that you buy. Your ownership of that license is not under threat. The only property rights being placed under threat are those of the IP owner's right to invalidate licenses of access. You still own the license, the license just no longer allows you to access the IP.

>>715199720
The (((reddit))) aspect of your post made it come across as passive agressive, even if you were just joking in an ironic manner.

>>715199869
i see youve chosen violence then.

newfag tourist here,

what's the point of discussing anything serious
if the whole thread is going to be fucking nuked in like 20 hours?
either some faggot mod deleting it, or dropping below page 15

>>715199613
lol he's just a kid, still studying, never worked a day in his life and mommy and daddy still buy him his toys to play with, so when it's broken they buy him a new one
says a lot about his place in this thread

>>715199713
yeah well, no need to work anyway, don't know where you live but medicine is tough and if you haven't read anything it's not even worth making the trip to take the test
you can't score a 70% on a medicine test by sheer luck

>>715196976
It better be at least 3 years and be cheap as a yoghurt, otherwise I won't buy it

>>715199268
Far from being equivalent to 1+1=2, your logic doesn't even make sense here. It is obviously possible to defend something even if you aren't obligated by law to do so.
Also courts would still have a function if judges are obligated to defend copyright by law. The court would check the facts to determine if copyright was violated and determine the appropriate compensation/penalty.

>>715199504
here >>715185910 (OP)

>>715197035
INDEFINITE
PERPETUAL
LICENSE

This is an extremely hard fought title, I know, but faggot lolbert cat spammer might be the most pathetic /v/ermin, if not of all time then at least currently active.

>>715200004
Do you think faggot reddit threads are revisited after comments are closed? Are you retarded?

>>715197297
License is not perishable so it's even better, when my physical copy gets destroyed I can always get another one for free since my license is still in effect. Jolly me!

>>715200004
It's part bots, part trolls, part heckin ironic trolls, some oldfags, the very rare old guards, zoomies/ reddit tourists, and the rest are people trying to make sense of what the industry has devolved into

>>715198725
>my rights are being eroded every day
>the most important cause is the government making sure i can play ubisofts the crew

>>715196049
>Actions have consequences. None of you are women, you should be able to reap what you sow.

I don't think you believe this, since if you did you would recognize that the consumer movement against bricking games is itself a consequence of action and that the publishers themselves must also be allowed to reap what they sow.

>>715200027

I know which is why i'm planning to cheat by pulling my phone and hiding it next to me and using chat gpt. tHAT'S HOW i passed most of my college years.

>>715197261
Give up. You're arguing with a Mammon worshiper.

>>715192920
>Because you don't have a sense of community.
HA. Are you really going to play that card when you think your fellow man is too stupid to do the right thing and you're completely unwilling to show them?
You don't blindly gun for legislation if you have a sense of community, first and foremost you teach. But you refused to do so because you don't trust anyone to listen, being the sheltered child you are you think that people need to forced into line.

>you want to protect that community, even if they're 'dumber' than you,
Exactly. You want to protect them and to show them how not to get into trouble so they can have their freedom of choice rather than stuffing them into a cage with a false sense of security, teaching them that if they ever step out of line then it's over.

>If you see someone get scammed, your reaction is "he deserves it, should have been as smart as me" when the truth is you only avoided being the victim by dumb luck.
Except it's not, around here it's more "he deserved it because he didn't listen". It wasn't luck that we avoided it, we were given more warnings than an early 2000s dvd movie and we heeded that warning and tried to warn you too.

>You call this intelligence, but at the end of the day your life will be substantially worse than it would be if you were a part of a community that looked out for each other.
Very, very true.
Which is why your ideology generally being rejected. You think you're punishing the guilty but instead you're coddling the innocent telling them that they're right to always make those mistakes leading to that innocence being exploited time and time again.

>Your way inevitably leads to what China is now.
No, not at all. In reality China is a country under heavy government control almost to the point of thought policing where no one was allowed to question the government or question why it was better to let your fellow man die.

>>715200512
>this is the next generation of doctors
grim, pajeet-tier even

>>715199846
>So we can get back to you truly owning things.
That's how it always worked. There's no "getting back". You never had it in the first place.

>>715198685
>the government has vastly overreached
>therefore we need more government so it overreaches everywhere equally
you're a fucking moron

>>715200512
yeah good luck taking your phone out and asking gpt when you'll have to defend your thesis in front of a jury lol
many people are frauds, but being a lazy fraud as you are you'll get caught real fast, especially at uni/medicine level

>>715200961

Nah cheaters always win. Ask Trump

>>715200416
Loss of the physical copy invalidates your license.