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just killed stop killing games (skg), ask me anything
>>715244068 (OP)>ask me anythingShow feet
McDonald’s fries or Zaxby’s?
>>715244068 (OP)Do you support trans rights?
>>715244068 (OP)I sure do hope so, SKG is a cancer, but you're most likely a lying faggot.
>>715245717Figtree is that you?
Describe your crime as best you can for the future court record.
>>715245535it says so on the letter
>>715244068 (OP)I genuinely dont understand how anyone who isnt a corpocuck would be against SKG
It only means that if you buy a game you should be able to play a meaningful part of it after the servers shutdown
>>715245993I hate it because its pointless reddit cringe "activism" that achives absolutely nothing aside make a buch of retards feel good about themselves.
If you actually wanted to "save" video games you should A. Stop buying garbage games and B. Pirate as much as possible
>>715245993>you should be able to play a meaningful part of it after the servers shutdownBecause if the developer doesn't want you to do it, then you shouldn't be able to do that.
>>715244110Belgians are not French, retard.
>>715246178wow what a cringe post and you sound like a huge cuck
if you want to see real change man up and start killing politicians
>>715245535Belgium is basically France
>>715246259LOL what level of delusion is this
>>715246259>Live in Belgium>Open up any website>It's all in French.>Open up TV>It's in French.>Go to capital city>It's full of black people speaking French.Yeah
>>715246320>amerimutt doesnt know historyImagine my shock
>>715246178>popular thing = reddit>le free market meme
Belgium is a meme, but neither the French nor the Dutch want it back.
>>715245993Gachaslop fags are afraid that they will get region blocked out of playing their gacha slop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOfgcjrOKEw
>>715246178Ladies and gentlemen, that post was written by your ruling class. The fingers that typed that out held a trafficked child head, choking it on a shriveled up penis.
>>715244068 (OP)Pleeg zelfmoord flikker
>>715246370>visit wallonia region>they all speak french>visit flanders region>they all speak frenchyou're french
I thought Belgium was somewhere in Eastern Europe until recently
>>715246178How do you pirate a game that cannot be played?
Next they're gonna say Mongols are Russians ROFL
belgian women <3 dutch cock
>>715246614well yeah they are both from middle east
>>715244068 (OP)why are you african
>>715246295>>715246442Why are you reddit buycucks getting so angry? Im just saying the truth. Don't go crying to big daddy government to fix the problems you caused. If retarded gamers didn't keep paying for retarded games and services, none of this would have been an issue. Meanwhile, ive been building up my pirated collection and experience none of the problems you fags whine about.
>>715246259Belgians aren't much of anything to be fair
>>715246614Had my first plumbing mentor tell me to cut "the smallest usable piece possible". Most people called it a butt piece. He called it a Dutchman.
>>715246557If a game can't be pirated, it's not worth playing anyways
>>715246178>Nothing is ever le good because it could always be betterMidwit contrannies are genuinely a plague on humanity
>>715246318Isn't Belgium basically Holland?
>>715246723This is the intellectual prowess of people who have the power over you, /v/. Think about it for a minute.
>>715246723You understand that this legislation would help pirates in the long run, right?
Isn't Ukraine basically Russia ?
>>715246318the european commission is in brussels, i am not
>>715246259Belgium isn't a real country
>>715244068 (OP)How'd you kill it?
>ask pro SKG why you should support it
>explanation about how games get shut down and it's too bad or w/e
>ask anti SKG why you shouldn't support it
>endless whining about e-celebs and meaningless drama
>>715246501Waffles are now all crepes?
>>715247045Yes, but it is a part of the buffer zone between the west and the east. If you're west of Oder, it's in your best interest they stay away as far from it as possible.
>>715246816>>715246934>>715247010>yes daddy government, please insert your legislative rod deeper into my rectum Sure is reddit around here.
>>715246723Exemplary display of intelligence
>>715246762probably comes from the fact dutch men are much taller, so the penis looks smaller relatively speaking
>>715247594I'm not a publisher.
>>715247594>laws are bad... because they just are, okay??
>>715244503Do you know how é is pronounced?
>>715246178>I'm so enlightened I have no idea what I'm talking about
>>715247594All you need is a national parliament that has the amount of seats equal to `0.1 * total_permanent_population^0.48`, rounded up, adjusted after every regularly conducted census,, and then elect members for these seats using a proportional representation electoral system. If this is achieved, it's safe to push the legislative rod because the parliament would be actually representative of people's will.
>>715246178>HUUUUH you should stop pushing back that's actually redditKYS
>>715247594>government protects intellectual property>"maybe in certain circumstances, it shouldn't">WOOOOW STOP ASKING THE GOVERNMENT TO DO THINGS!
>>715246259>French hands from Belgium wrote this post
>>715246259Belgium is somewhat French and somewhat German
>>715246178You can do all at the same time.
>>715247306Not all waffles wear crepes
Belgium is, by a large margin, the worst country in Europe, far below the likes of Romania and Georgia. Imagine the thing you are most famous for being pedophilia. Ceterum censeo Belginem esse delendam.
so many pajeets shitting on european countries this makes me believe /v/ is unironically filled with shitskins (except me of course i'm 100% hwite)
>>715246259That's enough of that, Mr Poirot
>>715246178>bait post>many repliesSasuga
>>715248758It's probably is and they are all here so we can teach them english for free
>>715247869I'm all for IP to fuck off. Still not going to give out my server binaries.
>>715244068 (OP)>ask me anythingWhat's the letter about?
I also signed the petition but online and I don't think I received one.
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”
>>715246178>I'll vote for the friend of Eipstein, that'll own the libssame energy
>>715246178>NO STOP FIGHTING BACK>THE WAY TO WIN IS TO PRETEND THE HARM ISN'T HAPPENING IT DOES NOT EXIST JUST IGNORE ALL THE DAMAGE ""THE INDUSTRY"" IS DOING TO YOUR HOBBY
>no access to clean water
>horrible food
>horrible health care (even though they live in a welfare state)
>no infrastructure
>totally fucked in the event of a natural catastrophy
>b-but at least we have stop killing gaymes!
europoors. lmfao.
>>715246881Belgium is basically a fake country that makes no sense
>>715250195>SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.funny that you mention this right as ross is right in the middle of an interview with an indie dev and the indie dev has stated that the majority of indie devs they know support the innitiative
>>715246178They hate you because you're right.
>DADDY GOVERNMENT SAVE MEEEEE!e1E!E!!E
Kill yourselves. Seriously. You mouth breathing retards want more government CONTROL? Fuck off.
>>715250195oh nooooo
some shitty developers cant scam consumers anymore
what a tragedy
you're not entitled to my money
>>715251671>tips foreskin
>>715251671>get into a car crash>life is saved by seat belts>have to forever live with the shame of benefitting from enforced seat beltsIf only the government would let companies do whatever they want, then everything would be great!
>>715250195these ridiculous anti-answers at serious concerns are exactly why i wrote my letter of discouragement about skg to the european commission
>>715246423Actually, the Dutch would appreciate having Flanders, but the French won't let them have it and they themselves don't want Walloon because Walloon is a shithole worse than far-eastern this-actually-still-looks-like-the-USSR Europe.
>>715246178if it's pointless and achieves nothing, then why does it make you seethe so hard? why even take interest in it?
>>715247670Could be a thing, yeah. Iirc the Dutch are actually in the top 3 of tallest people in the world?
>>715247948They're somewhat French and somewhat DUTCH, mr. Burger.
>>715245717>SKG is a cancerWhy
>>715250195That's a shame then. Guess you'll have to reduce the scope of your game. Develop within your means.
>>715248437Yet Belgium still has a median GDP over double that of the USA.
Makes you REALLY wonder what a shit-hole the USA actually must be.
>>715246258Then they should put it on the front of the box why not put a big label on the front.
>>715246258It's not the developer making that decision
>>715246259Can I have some waffles
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a ball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?
>>715251506lambs love to be walked to the slaughter, your point?
>>715252269Almost. It's dutch, french, and a tiny bit german.
>>715246178Let me guess, we should all be happy with our current situation and put Bibles in the fiction section too?
it would be funny if every game title had big bold LEASE on it to tell people you're not buying but renting the game to get around the non functionality after the game dies
>>715252701>Funny how that works huh?It might've been, but that's not how it works. Possibly funny, regardless.
>>715252701If buying isn't owning then pirating isn't stealing
>>715250195>the cost associated is trivial>says the jobless losers that has never ran any modern service in their life to prove the point
>>715252969Hello ESL anon, that's not how the word stealing works.
>>715253267Wrong and dumb
>>715253113The free market will bring down the costs
>>715246178wow look at all the anons being antisemitic against this post
>>715252325>WhyI saw a dude who looks like a bond villain tell me so.
>I bought this banana four weeks ago, and now it's mouldy and I can't eat it.
I'm going to make an online petition so fruit producers keep the fruit I buy always fresh.
>>715253267>complaining about ESL>in a thread about the EU where most countries ESL
>>715244110>cover clearly says Belgium>retarded illiterate fuckstick too retarded to read
>>715253465You didn't buy the banana, you licensed it. If it goes moldy they should replace it.
>>715247292Research facilities it is.
>>715251903life saving innovations =! video games.
Let me ask you a question, what's the difference between a game that's upfront about sunsetting and a live event (concert, party, etc..) ?
>>715253823simple, games are worthless waste of time
>>715253585europe invented english
>>715253823One of them can easily be made into a permanently available experience
>>715244068 (OP)I hope you get everything you wanted but nothing you asked for
>>715253890proto english*
>>715253921Can someone explain what he meant by this?
>>715250195>"Start Killing Developers"I will now sign your petition.
>>715253954I hope you eat my entire ass.
>>715246178you like corpocock and you side with a furry faggot nepo-baby, got it
what a retard
Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?
>>715253921What the hell does that even mean? You want me to be happy or suffer? Pick one. Sounds like some fortune cookie written by a drunk philosopher.
>>715253875kys
>>715253902Just because giving your money away is easy shouldn't be reason to actually give it away. A developer that wants a temporary game to exist should have that right.
>>715254134They have that right as long as they don't sell it
>>715254134developers don't want temporary games to exist, corpos do.
>>715254013Vorechads rise up
>>715254213They sell it as an experience retard.
>>715254306Some do.
I do believe that temporary/live service games should have a upfront disclaimer that it is temporary.
>>715254456That they can't do
>>715250195>I am an indie dev with limited resources>therefore I will make an online only game that requires a server I have to keep paying for to be playable!These people are retarded
>8000BC - ~2012AD
>games are things you own
>2012AD - present
>games are things you purchase, but don't own, also the publisher can destroy them as soon as they feel like it
huh?
>>715254456>Some do.like who
>>715254113I imagine what he means is that companies are very good at juggling words and twisting definitions when it suits them, so they can give you what you ask for but not the way you wanted, kinda like Calypso from Twisted metal or the monkey paw.
>>715250195If, hypothetically, this was retroactive to any and all indie games, which ones would even be affected?
>>715254492can't do what? Sell a temporary experience? Then let's stop all temporary experiences sales.
>>715254681uuuuuuuuuuuuh...
>>715254707They can't sell a game as a temporary experience.
>>715254559>8000BC - ~2012ADGames didn't exist before 1995
>>715254842This nigga never heard of chess
>>715254306this is exactly whats wrong with stop killing games, its an initiative by idiots for idiots
developers dont want to kill games, they made the games, they want them to be enjoyed for as long as possible
and idiots being idiots they let the well get poisoned by some other idiot pretending to speak for developers
now developers (the people actually making the games) are seen as the boogeyman, completely diverting the attention away from corporate capitalism
congratulations, now the debate has nothing to do with actually fixing whats wrong any more blaming all the problems on just more victims of the system
>>715254063It is very GG
>sound in theory>very anti-semitic in practice
>>715250195The EU notoriously gives zero fucks about indie developers, this is why I'm afraid some bullshit like this might even pass.
>>715250195Why do corponiggers use specifically indie devs as meatshield?
>>715254681There's a couple of dead online only indie games that died immediately after launch but other than that nothing noteworthy at all.
>>715254884>>715254970>>715254970Those are not games, those are toys for children to pass time with... Oh wait... AHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>715254842>zoomies do not know how to game without electricity
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>>715254063remember this? you know why the world is so gay and polarized these days?
>>715254970Zoomers don't remember these.
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>>715255063Unlike grown up games that test your age and create time!
>>715255063you sound insecure
>>715250195>NOOOOO MUH ALWAYS ONLINE INDIE VIDEO GAME
>>715255063>it was merely an act!
>>715252034>Actually, the Dutch would appreciate having Flanders, but the French won't let them have it and they themselves don't want Walloon because Walloon is a shithole worse than far-eastern this-actually-still-looks-like-the-USSR Europe.I have been working in various places of Wallonia for the past few years. I'd say it's a mixed bag. Some places are definitely shit-hole tier, other places are incredibly nice and quite well off. Betting my left nut France would actually love to get their froggy hands on the walloon brabant or Namur, but that would mean also having to get the stuff like bergen/monts or charelroi and nobody in their sane mind would want that. Flemish part, on the other hand, was a bit disappointing to me. People were callous, rude even, and outside some very small towns (quite charming) or a few select tourist hotspot, it's not as nice as I pictured it. Antwerp is a massive shithole.
>>715255324yes, oldchildren
>>715253625malding frenchie
>>715255312kek
That one guy must be fuming rn
>>715254968Bro you gotta protect the queer indie developers operating their solo run MMOs
Yes this is a real problem, and no you may not ever see them. Their concern are valid; however, and it would be a G-d given affront to Adam Smith should you as a citizen dare ask for another consumer protection since only corporations are allowed to drive policy
>>715255079I liked that one that you would put rubber bands on the corners and try and bounce your ball bearing with a plastic halo to the end
>>715246178Also append C. Use community-made servers. Corporations, even if they do keep their legacy games online, will only do the bare minimum and offset the cost onto consumers.
>>715255354Children can't be old by definition.
>>715255324>Menchilds don't exists"Men" in this photo were 100% ridiculed in their youth and never grew up
>>715252701too bad the EU disagrees with your kikery
>>715254063Oy vey time to bring up gamergate for no reason because muh hecking racist gamers.
>>715250195Which small/tiny game studio makes live service games? Gaslighting corpo garbage, go fuck yourself
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>boomers were creaming their pants over this gameplay
>>715255520do you relate?
>>715252325it's antisemitic
>>715255602>*knock knock*>Sorry guys we're shutting down the hungry hungry hippos servers whose only use was DRM checking and online score sharing>We're taking the game back now, bye!
>>715244068 (OP)>september 7thAnon from the future?
>>715250195>be trannies>pull this shit every time>wtf why are universally hated?Why are they like this? Why is there such a massive correlation between being evil and a tranny?
>>715255520Everybody gets ridiculed. That's part of human condition.
>>715254113It means SKG is poorly worded and doesn't do what Ross thinks it does
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>>715250195>DO. NOT. SIGN. THIS
>>715255612No, like a normal well adjusted person I stopped playing with toys at the ripe old age of 12 years old. Just wishing all you menchildren did the same
>>715254639Apple tried it multiple times, they got fucked with fines each time that they didn't follow the spirit of the law.
They are still trying and getting fucked.
>>715255813nta, but I've never been ridiculed
>>715255823It's initiative. It's not meant to explain all the corner cases in detail, that comes later in the process.
>>715255063THIS!!!
The only "games" that an adult should be playing are web3 games where you can make profit. Gambling is okay too.
>>715255901That sounds sad, you adjusted yourself to fit in with social expectations, thus losing a part of yourself.
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>lmao EU will never attach the caps to the bottles
>lmao EU will never force apple to use USB-C
You are here.
>lmao EU will never force devs to make their games available in some way after ending live service
>>715250195>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.I'm curious how Ross is going to counter this. I can already imagine them pulling the Race/LGBTQ card on him.
>>715254639you amerisharts don't understand that the EU is an actual functioning society and not a corporate shithole like the US
>>715255823Good. I hope EU interprets the SKG initiative very liberally, pays little attention to what Ross actually said and implements some really draconian laws that Ross never expected.
All these always online games and shitty indie devs deserve to perish. Don't just regulate them. Choke them with legislature, regulate them away. Good riddance.
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>>715250195bro's game looks like THIS and he thinks he's an authority on video game development lmao
>>715250195>yeah, somebody might go bankrupt if they go full retard over this and do everything the stupidest way possible>NOOO YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS! THINK OF THE HYPOTHETHICAL NONEXISTENT DEV WHO BUILT THEIR WHOLE CAREER ON SOME BONEHEADED ALWAYS ONLINE TECH!
>>715256085>EUTARD doesn't understand the greatest country in the world.You know, you don't have to live in a city and can live free in the sticks if you want.
>>715246318Belgium is like if Germany and France fucked and had a baby.
>>715256085Who made everything you own peasant? That's right, corporations. Maybe be a LITTLE grateful.
>>715256131oh god this piece of dog shit
>>715256179Try not paying taxes for a year
>>715244068 (OP)Wouldnt be surprising since the EU is a pathetic non-entity.
>>715246178Yeah except gamers have time and time again proven that they are eager to be raped by the corporate cock.
>>715256131Is this shit always online?
>>715246330>go to america>every single line of text everywhere is englishmust be england. fucking retard
>>715256131YOU make a game as deep as McPixel franchise then lil bro.
PewDiePie played it so shut the HELL up, cuz that means it's GOOD.
The truth is that all these indie developers are subhuman garbage and the only reason their embarrassing excuses for games got popular is due to social media and tranny hugboxes.
Flash games and shoestring budget handheld games before 8th gen shit all over indie games in terms of interesting mechanics and innovation while also being more polished and having better art.
>>715246259Yes you are, dumbass. If you speak le French, have la French culture, dress like ze French - you're basically French.
>>715256179But nobody mentioned China?
>>715255823ross is an idiot
It's stupid to want to own things
>>715255995I just ridiculed you. You're wrong.
>>715256379>dress like ze Frenchwhat does this mean
>>715256458this
like, are you afraid someone will take it away from you? schizo behavior
>>715250195Indies shouldn't be making live service slop anyway. If they are, they should fail.
>>715256404>ad hominemAAAnd bingo. Thanks for playing.
>>715256526>say "indies shouldn't make X genre">X genre goes to shit>"uhhh why is the genre shit now?"never post again
Why can't you just be happy with owning nothing? Just pay a rent on everything, it's been proven to work just fine.
>>715252845The Bible, the Talmud, the Koran all belong in the fiction section.
>>715256490when you dress like ze putain
>>715246259>go to france>take short trip to belgium because that's what you do when you're in france>buy chocolate because that's what you do when you're in belgium>go back to france because you only go to belgium to buy sweets>nobody checks your passport during any of this>borders? with france? lol those are for when you're crossing into a different nation silly
>>715256275??? Everywhere you pay taxes
>>715256403Winnie the f..
>>715256616live service slop is not a genre
>>715256526Live service slop isn't even SKG-incompatible by nature. Publishers just rather kill them.
>>715255083Because it got co-opted by the corporations who made it about race and LGBTQ+ rather than class, as it should be?
>>715256571its not an ad hominem if its a fact
sorry sweaty, facts dont care about your feelings
>>715256179US is a great country but it's due to its people. US could be even greater without the corpo worship.
You claim to hate commie shit but corpo worship is almost that. A market isn't truly free when it's controlled by a few massive entities that are gaming the system. Someone needs to stop it and it doesn't need to be the government but it's an obvious choice which is why many people defer to it. It's just pragmatism.
>>715256353>englishit's in american, retard
>>715256620This gave me a great idea.
What if, instead of renting games, you could instead get a loan to play the game?
That way we could charge people for every month they keep playing the game, and make them pay more and more for each consecutive month!
>>715256487>I just ridiculed you. Prove it
>>715246178>If you actually wanted to "save" video games you should A. Stop buying garbage games and B. Pirate as much as possibleWhat do you think I've been doing all my life. This doesn't change anything, most people just want to have fun playing video games. They're not going to take a principled approach because video game shut downs will almost always only affect a minority of the player base. Most people will have already moved on to a new game.
>>715256683so you can't live free
>>715256730It being a fact or not has nothing to do with it being ad hominem. Read a book, retard.
>>715256754corporate capitalism is communism minus any democracy
>>715256754Corpo worship is the only way to stop those tranny commie fucks from taking over the world retard
>>715256821and you can't post this picture
>>715256819>UUH, I'VE NEVER BEEN RIDICULED, I'M A PERFECT LITTLE PRINCESS! *faints*
>>715256834not the brightest star are you, twinkle
ross is an idiot and he is gay and has gay sex
Imagine defending the subhuman videogame publishers who treat gamers like dirt.
>>715246178>Stop buying garbage gamesI did
>Pirate as much as possibleI do
and I hate the vidya jews. I hate their deceptive tactics. I hate lootboxes. I hate always online. Split their heads open with a burning crowbar. Force them to release multiplayer tools.
Corpocucks are getting desperate, love to see it.
>>715256879trannies are a result of the undue influence of the pharma industry
>>715256616Yes, devs should be obligated by law not to make shitty live service slop. You cannot put shit in a box and sell it as food, why should games be any different?
GEE I LOVE POLITICS IN MY VIDEO GAMES
>>715256879>BUT AT LEAST THE GAY-WEDDINGS ARE ILLEGAL
>You shouldn't sign this petition because corporations will go bankrupt
I'm alright with this
>You shouldn't sign this petition because consumers won't be punished for their bad decisions
I'm ok with this
>You shouldn't sign this petition because the government will rape you
I'm experiencing this already.
>You shouldn't sign this petition because you might stifle ''''innovation''''
I'm ok with this
>>715256963You SHOULD be able to put shit in a box and sell it as food tho, that's the communistic problem we're facing.
>>715250195>start killing developersSounds good to me, (((Sosowski))). Especially if they're queer retards from zurich.
>>715256951i hate skg because its a liberal "solution" and i am anti-liberal
>>715256884Try saying nigger in public
>>715244068 (OP)Thanks for the declaration OP. I have sent in this thread to your workplace. Thanks for being so clever!
>>715246178>never buy games>wonder why nobody makes games that fit your tastes anymorePirate-retards sure are stupid.
>>715256909You imagined that in your mind. All those thoughts are your own.
>>715247292>good gamesName 5, I support it but saying good games have even shut down is a bit stretch.
>bro just stop buying slop bro just let the market control itself
We tried this and it's the reason we're in this situation now.
>>715250195this happens with literally every new legislation
>>715257072https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzHZ_3nQoY
This is a no nigger zone.
Hot take: maybe yelling at devs online isn’t the way to build a sustainable preservation movement?
This will GENUINELY kill gaming.
It's literally impossible to make a web3 game "offline". It literally needs the web, it's in the fucking name!
You clowns want to kill the next big step in gaming for your 20 year old ugly nostalgia garbage?
>>715257219Real talk, if you harass a dev over SKG, you’re not a preservationist, you’re just a bully with Wi-Fi.
>>715257115That doesn't remove its ridicule status. Also now it's in a post form, forever immortalized and free for all to see until the end of time.
>>715256616>AIEE MY CREATIVE VISION IS TO NICKLE-AND-DIME MY FANS I SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MAKE LIVE SERVICE TOO
>>715256879Then why is all tranny commie rhetoric is coming from rainbow capitalism corpos and private universities?
Free market doesn't mean do whatever you want corporatocracy and you have to fight to keep it free. There will always be bad actors trying to undermine your system for personal gain, letting them do whatever the fuck they want is at the cost of (Your) freedom.
>>715257218That clip ruined his life, which is my point
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>>715246258If the merchant ('developer' is a moot role at point of sale) wants to sell a product without a definite time of expiry, they should not be able to forcefully yank the product back with no compensation to the buyer.
>>715256963you can, this is indian delicacy
>>715257245pls no survivors
>>715257245release the server you cocksure
docker compose gayniggerweaboogame
>>715257069You're a $0.50/h indian
>if my toaster breaks, the baker owes me free bread for life
SKG logic
>>715256879oy vey that's right support israel or trannies will chop their dicks off very important we stop that
>>715257245web3 games aren't usually sold for money so they don't count.
>>715257245>oh no no more new crypto games will be made at this rate!Good.
>>715257294>That doesn't remove its ridicule status.One day you will be able to remove your "ridicule status", but only you alone can do that.
>>715244068 (OP)op thank you for your hard work letting in Muslim immigrants o7
>>715257245I've already signed, you don't have to convince me any further.
>>715257137Not the guy you are talking to, but there's some old MMOs that I'd like to play on proper private servers again, such as Marvel Heroes, Shadowbane, Star Wars Galaxies, City of Heroes/Villains, The Matrix Online, Tabula Rasa, Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, Darkfall, Firefall, etc.
Not saying that they were/are good games, but the quality of the games shouldn't matter. If you have bought and owned a game previously, you should be able to still have a feasible way to play it even if it's decades later.
>>715257510You can’t demand free labor from indie devs just because you paid $30 once in 2016. That’s not justice, that’s entitlement.
>>715256616The genre of live action slop going to shit? I'm not sure what you're saying here, shill. All my favorite indies make single-player games. I still replay Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours and Baba is You and Lilith's Lair and Monster Prom and Secret Agent Wizard Boy and Ravensburg and Beecarbonize and Blood West and Horror at Highrook and New Arc Line and Schedule I and Spirit of the North.
The only games this MIGHT impact would be Tabletop Simulator and it would be trivial to host your own server.
>>715257536well boo fucking hoo, how about grow up and move on
>>715257552Release the server then or don't make always online trash
>>715257245>It's literally impossible to make a web3 game "offline". It literally needs the web, it's in the fucking name!Convert it to a non-web3 game.
Simple as.
OH NONONONONONO
PB-PP/IB stands for something like “Post Bulk / Post Paid / International Bulk” — it’s an internal code used by bpost to identify the sender’s mail contract or postage permit.
01957 is the unique identifier of the permit holder — in this case, it belongs to the European Commission (as shown by the logo on the envelope).
> internal code used by bpost to identify the sender’s mail contract
You are fucked, son.
>>715257621THAT WOULD COST A BILLION DOLLAARS
>>715257317>>715257392>>715257404>>715257452>>715257458>>715257510>>715257621Luddites. Web3 games require very sophisticated infrastructure that a small indie developer cannot realistically self-host. Web3 is the fucking future, whether you like it or not.
>j-just use Steam inventories thenSo you want the developers to be tied to a specific ecosystem, that could go poof overnight? Wow, great idea, RETARDS.
>>715257552i am entitled to have my dick sucked by you for the rest of my life
>>715257552You can't sell a product to someone as a good and then take it back later when you feel like it. That isn't business, that's theft.
>>715257219>>715257279Nuclear take: :skull emoji: :fire: :flag_jp:
We should shove ferrets up our asshole right now in solidarity with Thor. It's not fair that Ross gets to take game developers ferrets away. Living ferrets inside my asshole is the kind of "live service" that we as gamers all deserve.
Anyways brb, gonna grab some breast milk out of my fridge, daddy brought home a new batch today hehe!
>>715257356This. If game is a product it's mine indefinitely. If it's a service its terms must clarify how long if lasts either an exact timeframe or specify some goal it's meant to achieve. This is true for all services.
Right now vidya are quasi products and quasi services depending on what suits the published more. If SGK succeeds we'll be back to square one, developers are crying because SGK will remove the unfair privileges they have now.
>>715257668HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH NO NO NO
>>715257727Not my problem should have read the fine prints nigger this is a free market
>>715257487Nah, you will always be ridiculed, anon. You clown.
>715257693
The first bait was better. This one is shit.
>Here's your 10 year old multiplayer game, sir.
>>715250195>social media commie retard becomes anti-regulation libertarian the moment laws apply to him>masks it by shoehorning black queers into post many such cases
>>715257847No, anon, fraud is illegal even in a free market.
>>715246258Nah. It's my game not theirs. My decision not theirs.
>>715246178>pointless cringe reddit activism>noooo, don't pull every legal lever of power that's being pulled against you, do a boycott and nothing else because.... just because, ok?
>>715245993>I genuinely dont understand how anyone who isnt a corpocuck would be against SKGIntelligence mostly.
SKG gives people a false sense of security and will increase spending on frivolous items like shitty games.
>>715257850In your mind your thought bear fruit that feed your soul.
>>715257693Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours and Baba is You and Lilith's Lair and Monster Prom and Secret Agent Wizard Boy and Ravensburg and Beecarbonize and Blood West and Horror at Highrook and New Arc Line and Schedule I and Spirit of the North.
>>715247748https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxTzOpbVaHU&t=5
>>715246178most jewish post of the week award, shalom!
>>715257693I'm sure we can update the legislation when somebody comes up with a web-whatever games that's worth a damn.
>>715250883That's a lot of projection that has nothing in common with reality. What shithole do you come from?
>>715257994Oh yeah, as a developer it's a greeeeeeat idea to make a game that will automatically get blocked by the law, and then hope people from Twitter vote to allow me specifically.
>>715250883>no access to clean water>horrible food>horrible health care >no infrastructure>totally fucked in the event of a natural catastropheBut enough about america.
>>715257953Please post the exact quote where Romero or Carmack called gamedev "easy".
SKG deserves to die because it's essentially communism.
>>715257552If the likes of Valheim and Palworld can be playable via a user hosted dedicated server/LAN right from release, let alone end of life, why can't your game, retard-kun?
>>715250195Releasing server code is free and takes 30 seconds, what is this bitch on.
>>715257962Please apply cool item to the bothered area.
>>715246259Settle down Phillipe
>>715246258>mod dev releases mod to public>has a melty>demands its removal from existanceweirdly similar
>>715258150>Defending property rights is communismThe absolute state of you faggots.
SGK is based, straight, fit, muscular, smart, heroic, attractive, successful, honorable, cool and good 4chan core.
Anti-SGK is cringe, homo, lazy, fat, dumb, nazi, ugly, failed, scummy, fake and gay tourist redditry.
If you are anti-SGK you are a spacenigger (from planet Zeta-G4Y). Nigger, nigger, nigger very black! Fuck!
SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.
>>715258165My server code is like, very complex, ok?
>>715258150nah it's national socialism
it only applies to EU countries and the state will work for the people
>>715246178Ok. Still going to own my games and you seething commies can't do SHIT about it.
>>715258071That is the cost of game science. Can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.
>>715258115He said it after he and I double teamed your mom, you got trolled bitch eat shit.
>>715258237Release the server then
>>715258150>owning things is communismhasn't even been a week since one of you told me I was an anarchist for wanting right to a fair trial
>>715252225It is currently THE tallest in the world
as a frog I feel tiny there
>>715258237Indie devs should pay me for wasting my time on their slop.
If your version of advocacy involves threatening devs who can’t afford your ideal infrastructure, congratulations, you’ve become the villain in the story you think you're writing. SKG needs less outrage and more empathy.
>>715258237nobody is asking for publishers to maintain multiplayer servers forever
>>715252167not him but people are spamming this shit everywhere
the forums of literally any non indie game have fags shilling it
it's annoying, i'm trying to talk about game not activism
>>715258364umm actually opponents to SKG raped me so you opposing it is morally disguising
>>715258289>"IT WAS MERELY AN ACT!"
>>715258364>devs who can’t afford your ideal infrastructureSuch as?
>>715258364>SKG needs less outrage and more empathyWhy show empathy for devs and publishers who literally hate gamers and show no empathy the other way around?
>>715250195>Start Killing Developers>LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groupsI already signed the petition, you don't need to convince me.
>>715258364What infrastructure? SKG demads the exact opposite, long-term freedom from proprietary systems that run on servers.
>>715258364No, the movement needs to be more aggressive. Treat devs like the code cattle they are.
can the anti skg shills/tards get some new bait please?
you guys have been reposting the same pastas for a while now. it's really gotten quite boring.
btw all corporate shills will be fired soon because you failed to stop the initiative. hope you guys got a new "job" lined up.
>>715258552They're not paid enough to create new material
>>715258552They do it for free.
>>715258150Communism is just formalized and theory-infused feudalism, the cavalcade of little power grabs game developers have helped themselves to at the gamers' expense are pushing the world (not just gaming but everything because this will eventually need to be done for all software) to digital serfdom aka communism under a different name.
>>715258448No it's not an act at all, I really did attach an unrelated image to my post and you tried to start a little debate with it. What a flaming homo sissyman.
>>715258237Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours and Baba is You and Lilith's Lair and Monster Prom and Secret Agent Wizard Boy and Ravensburg and Beecarbonize and Blood West and Horror at Highrook and New Arc Line and Schedule I and Spirit of the North.
>>715258364Then how do the following games exist:
Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours and Baba is You and Lilith's Lair and Monster Prom and Secret Agent Wizard Boy and Ravensburg and Beecarbonize and Blood West and Horror at Highrook and New Arc Line and Schedule I and Spirit of the North.
>>715246178>vote with your wallet broI wonder how we got here, pajeet.
>>715255731non-retarded countries use Day-Month-Year or Year-Month-Day
Bros is it true that Jason Thor Hall (also known as Maldavius Figtree) was at Blizzard at the time of the breast milk theft scandal?
>>715255786Why are you an Ugandan nigger English Fourth Language newfag who can't greentext?
>>715244068 (OP)OP explain what you meant by this, what is this form
>>715258534A retard on twitch that pretends he's a game developer misunderstood SKG and made up some shit about client server that doesn't appy to it and a bunch of his fellow retards parrot it. It takes a developer, indie or otherwise 30 seconds and zero dollars to upload their source code no matter what archetecture.
>>715258646Maybe don't post unrelated images if you want to stay on topic, you little fool. Apoligize and I may forgive you for your transgression.
>>715258552I dont car it's a side gig
>>715246178>garbage gamesEventually you'll realize that marketing isn't trying to sell you shit games, but that shit games sell you marketing, i.e.: pad traffic and engagement -- they are little more than onboarding schemes to consultation rackets, e-grifting parasocialites and digitial daycare-botfarms.
The industry has been captured by PR gremlins. These PR gremlins cultivate an unsustainable economy of lies: they sell problems, rent out solutions (marginally smaller problems) and deceive everyone -- shareholders, developers, customers and players. They don't care about the quality or reception of the product, they don't care about what you believe, love or hate and they don't care to convince you of anything. The more controversy, the better for them.
Their final goal however is to distract and placate you, while high finance (read: their owners, banksters) turns your passions and lifetime into vacuous commodities.
>be PR gremlins>gaslight publisher into whipping developers into frenzy to create super-slop>gobble up the majority of the "development" budget, recommend hiring nepotists>proliferate more slop to e-grifting parasocialites to fan the flames; hype a product you know will fail miserably, gaslight customers and shareholders with predatory marketing>reinvest a fraction of your hyper-bloated budget and buy copies through subsidaries and at a discount to gaslight everyone some more, after padding stats shortterm refund to ruin them longterm >simultaneousely shill for and against the product to maximize controversy and thus traffic, engagement and demand of your service and that of your buisness partners, such as consultation rackets>eventually come out of it being the sole profiteer, blaming everyone elseIn other words: if you're a shareholder of a publisher or developer studio instead of an investor to a marketing agency, then you are a barely functional lobotomite.
I digress. You're a proud debtcattle, and that's okay.
>>715258434Then talk about games you retarded fucking faggot. No one is forcing you to click on and read skg threads. Stupid fucking subhuman mouthbreather.
>>715250195anti-SKG bros... I'm sorry but I hate trannies more...
>>715258983And furthermore, if your artsy-fartsy "game" requires you to kill it, you just have to take that into account in monetization. You can't just sell seemingly perpetual licence for it and then pull the plug.
it's a good movement. Too bad everyone associated with it are the most smug retards that you have ever seen. They make you want it to fail with all the wholesome chungus shit they do.
>>715246258If the developer doesn't want to do it then they shouldn't have made it in the first place. Just like whore's regret with onlyfans..
>>715259229>everyone associated with it are the most smug retards that you have ever seenThat's every political movement.
>>715258969Thats an envelope
>>715259229I'm very smug at breathing air too.
Why don't you stop breathing?
>>715259330see? what a fucking faggot.
>>715250195I just killed an indie dev with my freaking sign!
>>715258237Pick one
>Release server binary>Release server source code>Add dedicated server mode>Make game offline with AI NPCs>Refund all buyers
>>715259229>with all the wholesome chungus shit they do.like what?
>>715259374Fuck off shill.
We are not gonna fall for your (((tricks)))
>>715258150So which tribe are you fighting for bro? Team Ass or Team Dumbo?
>>715259229Years of fake leftist activism have successfully demoralized the creature into fighting against his own interests
>>715259449>you don't like me?>s-shill! we love each other here!
>>715247292i want to fuck the second mouse
>>715257853I love the drama coming out about this faggot but the "commentary community" is beyond dented.
ChudLogic is one of the most frequent coverers of the drama, and he's 85 IQ for fucking sure. He constantly interrupt himself reading things, argues with his chat, and keeps saying "I don't know, but" while also giving his opinion on fucking everything.
It's like, just put the drama slop in the bag, man. Could not give less of a fuck about this literal subhuman's opinion on anything or whether he understands the shit other people are saying about coding.
Quintheo also a fucking retard. Said he doesn't want to say he doesn't believe 3.14squeak got swatted because he's worried about being sued for defamation. Also fell for that retarded shit about misrepresenting a petition being illegal. As if the law doesn't say in the first fucking line that it has to be a petition you are responsible for. As if the law would apply to fucking non-US petitions anyway. As if the US would make it illegal to lie about something you don't agree with.
Literal retards. I hate that I have to watch them to keep up to date.
>>715246581It’s the other way around actually lmao
>>715259570you will be redeeming an ass kicking sir
>>715254842what about mario
>>715257674a bil is a speck of dust compared to glibal wealth
>>715247693Only joggers need laws, yes.
>>715257674You just select a different dropdown option when compiling
>>715257693>So you want the developers to be tied to a specific ecosystem, that could go poof overnight? Wow, great idea, RETARDS.as opposed to a nonspecific ecosystem that is guaranteed to go poof overnight? Great idea retard
>>715259447>we did it 4chan/kiwifarms/reddit! we signed a freaking form!>here's fanart of our leader ross! I love our guy so much!>you don't like 20 STG threads a day on v? you must be a shill leftist pig! shit's like gamergate it's fucking annoying and being co-opted by retards and grifters that can't shut the fuck up about how proud they are to be le gamer.
>>715259447He doesn't actually have any examples. Just the same tired "u-uhhh it's r-reddit!" shit. He's really bad at being a shill.
>>715253943That too, and all the ingredients.
>>715259912cope, piss, shit and seethe
>>715259650Most of the pertinent info also gets posted here. For instance; the UK petition has less than 3 days left. Britbongs ITT, go sign it if you haven't.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/
>>715259912>HAVE YOU STOPPED SUPPORTING IT YET SAARSNah, you'll just have to keep crying.
>>715257536I dont know about the rest of those games but city of heroes has private servers
>>715249858No you're not, you're giving out your FULL source code and all assets or you're going to jail for fraud bitch.
>>715260140>>715260038>you don't like 20 STG threads a day on v? you must be a shill leftist pig! self fulfilling.
>>715247292already explained that government overreach is shit especially in EU but you just spam the same reddit script
>>715258313Why should they, you fucking dirty communist nigger.
>>715260204You didn't say anything about the threads, you're crying about the movement itself. You're clearly upset by the movement, and that is what makes you a kike shill.
>>715246178while i do think your opinion on skg is true and based, i'm also not so sure that the advice of "to save gaming everyone must buy 0 games ever so that the industry ceases to exist" is really sensible. I guess we'd get the satisfaction of draining the pockets of some soulless megacorpos a bit but they'll always have other plans and other businesses to flee to endlessly and the only ones really damaged would be the actually legitimately hardworking regular joes and cool people who actually make the games. Either way indies will be in the same state tho and are all I really play anymore so it's not like i really care lol
>>715260205>>715260228>reddit>communistGet new fucking buzzwords already. It's way too predictable.
>>715260282NIgger I said it's a good movement populated by annoying retards like you that get mad when they're called out on how fucking annoying you are.
>>715260349You're a communist.
>>715260204i can hear the seething and i can imagine the stench from you
>>715258237>indie*tendie
this will never pass cause anal companies like nintendo are too zealous about their IP and will never allow anyone else to use it even for a dead game
>>715256668>nobody checks your passport during any of thisThis isn't particularly unusual in yurop (schengen). I've had my ID checked once this year during border crossings, same thing last year (both at an airport), in maybe 20 crossings total.
>>715260349Lower your tone when speaking to me. commie.
>>715260228Because they took their money in exchange for digital goods, bignose
Oh my fucking god just have a BIG DISCLAIMER at the time of purchase indicating that the game is temporary. Issue solved.
>>715260349yeah bro asking the government to moderate everything is total freedom
>>715260228Because they took money, haven't given it back and have committed property destruction of the good they sold.
>>715260468just ban EU from live service games. Ban them from steam too since it applies. Problem solved
>>715260468>nooooo don't stop fucking me in the ass, just pin a note above my crack that says "I will fuck your ass" so I can't sue you for fucking my ass without warning, problem solvedI'm starting to wonder whose problem you're interested in solving.
>>715260646But it solves the problem though. If the consumer decides to purchase something that will go away, that's on them.
>>715246178If SKG passes and live service games get dedicated server binaries, that helps piracy too
>>715260467>bans you for any TOS violation what now
>>715260478Yes actually, the opposite of freedom is the government regulating you but not its donors.
>>715260536that's too much money lost.
>>715260646...maybe don't buy things that hurt you if you dun wanna be hurt?
Granted, I understand your point. They put more warnings on cig packs every day but I still smoke them and risk lung cancer.
>>715260831yuropoors have less leverage in a region ban than china
>>715260468they already do in every EULA, basically your access to it can be terminated at any time and you own nothing
>>715260806>Law>>>>>EULA/TOSUser is entitled to a full refund
>>715260770Thanks for answering semi directly, your idea of solving the problem is not solving the problem and putting the burden of carrying the problem into the future on consumers. If you decide to write code you don't want to release some day but want to sell a game that depends on it, that's on you.
>>715260961TOS are written in accordance to the law, thats why they have lawyers writing it
there is no law that forces anyone to provide a service indefinitely be it real or digital
>>715260850I've never bought a copy protection or always online feature, only videogames.
>>715260467>>715260481>HOW DARE THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE LIVE SERVICE GAMES SHUT DOWN THEIR GAMES BECAUSE IT ISNT MAKING ANY MONEY! THOSE GREEDY JEWS ALWAYS ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THEIR WORK! DESPICABLE!Video games are a business first and foremost. When you buy a live service game, you should expect that interest in said game will drop over time, and over a period of however many years, nobody will play it. Therefore the game has died. This is why The Crew died and why Ubisoft, created The Crew 2. SKG is essentially wanting stagnation in the gaming community, nothing can die. Just be in an eternal state of limbo to satisfy communists.
>>715260953>your access to it can be terminated at any time and you own nothingBased.
>>715260130UK petition has already passed the threshold to be discussed in parliament, further signatures really don't matter.
And speaking from experience, don't get your hopes up about this shit at all.
It has to be discussed in parliament and that's it. There's no guarantee of how many MPs actually have to show up and discuss it. There's no guarantee it will ever be mentioned again. It almost certainly won't impact law in any way whatsoever.
You tend to get better results in the UK by writing to your MP directly, oddly enough.
>>715261080As everyone knows, laws is given by god and it is illegal to ever change them.
>>715261214They made money on their game when it was bought. Taking the game away after it was paid for is stealing.
>>715260806That should be illegal too.
>>715261080Let's be real live service games are not providing any "service", that's a marketing euphemism for them granting themselves license over your rightfully bought property through programming backdoors. They are happy to pay the server fees to make every game live service because of the control it gives them. Take that control back and you'll find singleplayer games mysteriously don't require any connection again like they used to not.
>>715261034>burden of carrying the problem into the future on consumers.Yes.
>If you decide to write code you don't want to release some day but want to sell a game that depends on it, that's on you.If I want the game experience to be temporary and I have an upfront disclaimer about it being temporary then don't come crying when it stops working because you can't read.
>>715261214>Video games are a business first and foremostAnd sellers are expected to conduct business in good faith. Ubisoft did not with The Crew (or XDefiant). They could EASILY have made The Crew run offline (and worked to make it playable offline before they cancelled it).
>>715261214I'm a business too. release the source code, issue a full refund of all money made over your game's lifetime or don't make live service. if you deprive my business of its property fuck off
>>715261541Or games could just not be temporary at no cost or investment. Why are you so determined to be fucked in the ass?
>>715261696But they didn't, because it was a live service model. They ran it with the expectations that everyone already knew it was going to die and go offline eventually because again, it's a live service game. It's meant to stay alive as long as there is player interest. And there was player interest, which is why they created The Crew 2. And The Crew eventually died. Again, business. If you buy a live service game, you should expect it to die.
>>715261516>illegal to ban>now every game is cheater/scammer paradise see the issue?
>>715261214I'm just reading this in Maldavius' voice.
People are entitled to own the things they buy.
>SKG is essentially wanting stagnation in the gaming community, nothing can die. Just be in an eternal state of limbo to satisfy communists.No one is forcing games to be supported indefinitely, SKG is about forcing developers to put in an end of life plan for their games. That can be as little as making the game playable offline. That doesn't mean it has to be balanced around single player, or even to be worth playing offline. It simply means you can't just rescind access to a """service""" and all the digital items bought there on a whim.
In an ideal world they would have to make it possible to host private servers. Dozens of games already have this, it's not asking for much.
>>715261974Games are being released today that aren't temporary and don't have servers running them. You can go and buy them. That itself is a business model. Nobody is forcing you to buy live service games.
>>715261405Software devolopers will never be forced to release code or keep their service running for free. It would be laughed out of the room in any other industry. You and this childless autismo you follow are retarded. Enjoy your updated service notice verbiage
>>715262128>Nobody is forcing you to buy live service games.Except triple AAA publishers.
But that's fine right? As long as indie games exist offline, it doesn't matter if billion dollar companies create an environment hostile to consumers?
Unironically neck yourself you contrarian shill
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>>715246178>I hate it because its pointless reddit cringe "activism" that achives absolutely nothing aside make a buch of retards feel good about themselves.
>>715262158>Software devolopers will never be forced to release code or keep their service running for freeGood thing that's not what's being asked for.
You can host private servers without source code. Just need the binaries.
>>715261214>Super Mario Bros. surviving to this day is stagnating the games industry, all NES games need to DIIIIEEEReducing them solely to profit margins ignores the passion and creativity that developers pour into their games. Real developers strive to create lasting experiences that resonates with players over as long a time as humanly possible.
>>715262226>AAA games forcing you to buy their gameThat has never happened to me. A..Are you getting fucked in the ass right now...?
>>715262073No I don't, I played client to client multiplayer through the 90s and it was fine. If someone is cheating you can just play on a different server or block them from yours, there is no reason to deprive them of their ability to play, and the idea developers care about cheating or sportsmanship or your experience at all rather than the power of a remote killswitch is laughable.
>>715262158>didn't actually reply to my pointConcession accepted.
>>715244068 (OP)SKG is based
>>715246178I hate you retarded naysaying niggersneeds that just come into these threads and bait for nothing. You are genuinely as pathetic and embarrassing as a literal ferret rapist. You have no principles or morals, no code of honor to keep you from just killing yourself. Follow through, bitch. Follow through.
>>715262287>Real developers strive to create lasting experiences that resonates with players over as long a time as humanly possible.So basically none of modern devs since everything they make is shit.
>>715262079It's not a good its a service and you pay only for a temp access to it and you get nothing more.
Do you want to ban 'live service' all together? You know its not happening.
>>715260405They will if they want to sell in the EU.
>>715246178>taking action instead of pointless complaining is redditDamn, I had no idea reddit was actually based?
>>715262079>No one is forcing games to be supported indefinitely, SKG is about forcing developers to put in an end of life plan for their games.Read what you just said. That in itself IS a form of being forced to support a game. Because the games weren't meant to go offline and be played forever. They are live service games, again a BUSINESS MODEL. And then they made The Crew 2 to make more money and continue supporting The Crew series and to continue making games for it's playerbase. Games nowadays are so fucking expensive to make and no, we can't go back to PS2 era budgets because the average gamer will not play a game without high fidelity graphics and so many other things which contribute to high costs. So yes, they have to be live service so they can continue to be supported financially. And also, again, it's business. You were not forced to buy it against your will. You made your own decision.
>>715262226Nintendo is making my hand press "Buy" on their whole library? Wtf, so that's where it went!
>>715262128Nobody is forcing you to sell or develop live service games, or refuse to share useless old source code either. You keep spouting easily reversable lines. Take a minute and self reflect, what is it about having a disclaimer tramp stamp that gives you such a sense of rightness while being anal gaped?
>>715262489>So yes, they have to be live service so they can continue to be supported financially.You 100% are a shill.
>>715262158Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours and Baba is You and Lilith's Lair and Monster Prom and Secret Agent Wizard Boy and Ravensburg and Beecarbonize and Blood West and Horror at Highrook and New Arc Line and Schedule I and Spirit of the North.
Corposhills have been in overdrive recently, haven't they?
They are so fucking afraid lmao
>>715262328>any amount of hostility to the consumer in the market is permissible as long as they can't force you to buy from themI will never understand you faggots that think posting shit you don't believe on 4channel is the height of comedy.
>>715262429>It's not a good its a service and you pay only for a temp access to it and you get nothing more.Oooooh so we'll regulate it like a service then? Games companies will be upfront at the time of purchase how long the service is to last for? Because that's how things like themepark tickets are regulated. They have to say how long your ticket is valid for, what days you can use it, what happens if the whole park goes out of business or has to close etc etc
You'll do all that? Because you're hosting a service, right?
>>715262158Every other industry is next, gamers are 10 years ahead of every curve.
>>715261080>there is no lawWhich is why we're seeking a change to that
>>715262489>Read what you just said. That in itself IS a form of being forced to support a game. Because the games weren't meant to go offline and be played forever.This means nothing and you know it.
Even live service games can be coded from day 1 to work offline or on private servers when the company no longer wants to support it. This requires nothing of them after the service ends.
You're such a room temp IQ faggot it's unreal
>>715262489That fag anon supports skg cuz he naively wants to play slop forever out of sunken cost fallacy. I support skg cuz I WANT the live service model to become unviable and subsequently destroy the industry as we know it.
>>715246178they hated him because he spoke the truth
>>715262489Then stop fucking selling your timed subscription as a game. Be honest and say you are renting a service for a period of 5 years after which it will shut down and any purchases you made will be void.
What is with this perspective that law cannot be changed that I see in SKG threads so often? I know much of it are paid corporate shills, but there are occasionally some posts that seem to be genuine.
>>715262848It's worse than paid shills, it's no-life faggots who genuinely get enjoyment from being contrarian to farm (You)s on this site
>>715262848Inductive reasoning has conditioned me to assume any change to law to hurt me less will in fact hurt me more. Please be patient.
>>715262489holy shit what a faggot
let me guess, the picture is actually a cropped thing from reddit or twitter and OP is just larping followed by 450 posts of niggers taking the bait
>>715262924I like to think of it as "practice to overcome autism", cuz you have to do quick social-centered thinking to determine if anon is worth engaging.
>>715246178>"Learned helplessness" the post
why cant there be one thing that everyone universally agrees on. like you can say "i think curbstomping infants is bad" and you will have like 100 people come out of the woodwork to say "well actually i think you should have the right to curbstomp babies.
>>715257953>The work that I do in video games is actually far more complicated than the aerospace workdumb faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcWRc1wK3gM&t=3s
>>715262848We are becoming serfs on every level.
>>715263138Cuz it's funny to see you type angrily, mostly. Unless you learn to read tone, you will not have a good discussion.
>>715263168kek got another one
stay mad aaaaackchually faggot
>>715263138I'm telling you, this is as far as the thought process goes
>thing becomes popular>thing becomes discussed>"if I oppose popular thing, people are guaranteed to reply to me. This (for some reason) is a worthwhile use of my time, baiting on 4chan for literally no reward at all"
>>715262328What the fuck are you even saying? Are you saying that AAA publishers are FORCING me against my will to play live service games? IT'S BUSINESS YOU FUCKING STUPID LUNATIC. YOU CHOOSE WHETHER OR NOT TO SUPPORT THESE GAMES. IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO EVENTUALLY LOSE ACCESS TO A GAME, DON'T BUY A GAME THAT IS EXPLICITLY LIVE SERVICE.
And besides, not all AAA games are live service. However, AAA games, because of their large costs which is eventually going to backfire anyways, have to keep up with this immense cost somehow. Do you know how much money it takes to make a single player game these days? A LOT. And on-top of that fact that it's INCREDIBLY RISKY now to make single player games. So yes, companies are going to look at ways to capture an audience, and have them keep paying as a way to keep afloat. Don't like it? Don't buy it.
>>715262848To be fair, it's a valid stance to hold that governments are fucking retarded and that giving them control over anything may result in unintended negative consequences. Some people understand that it's worth the risk because they can imagine an implementation that functions, NPCs can't imagine anything that doesn't already exist so will default to their favourite streamers opinion or an axiom like the EU is communist.
>>715263301You accidentally replied to yourself, contrianon
>>715246178Insightful post
Mist will claim it's bait
>>7152632874chanx showing (you)s as a visible notification killed this website
>>715263287that (you) does shit to you man. wild shit
>>715263376>insightful>replying to yourself with complimentsPitiful
>>715263369Why make this comment if you already knew it was an accident and you already knew I was meant to reply to the person that he quoted? Off yourself nigger.
>>715246178If I am cringe, then let me be cringe.
>>715244068 (OP)>just killed something that hasn't even ended the signature collecting phase yetWhy are corpo bootlicker pajeets like this?
>>715261214>>715262287To add, people already can't play games they bought like Destiny 1 or OG Overwatch. They have been supplanted with arguably inferior/different games, as has The Crew with The Crew 2.
If preserving the original games is 'stagnation' to you, what do you call destroying an original game thereby allowing publishers to upsell players on iteratively downgraded crap? Decline?
So when are we getting an EU response exactly? What is the timeline?
>>715263453I am that anon. He's a different guy. Suck it.
Also, piracy is always okay and you should do it.
>>715262630Anon, that's why there should be a disclaimer that says "HEY, BUYING THIS MIGHT FUCK YOU IN YOUR ASS".
>>715263301I'm saying AAA games don't force me to buy anything.
>>715263492>make mistake>someone very kindly points it out so you can correct yourself>seethe and insist they should have known what you intendedVery spicy little contrarian. Does SKG scare you?
>>715262627Screenshotting this so I can kek when the SKG movement fails.
>>715263384Uncheck "Remember your posts" then
>>715263301>Do you know how much money it takes to make a single player game these days?Zero. I have made several with a total budget of $0. Businesses choose to spend money. Maybe more money than they'll make back. Don't like it? Don't spend it.
>>715263609>Anon, that's why there should be a disclaimer that says "HEY, BUYING THIS MIGHT FUCK YOU IN YOUR ASS".No no no. See every other service in the world has more than a "disclaimer". Like I said, when you enter a contract for a service, the contract says when your access ends. It doesn't just say "it ends when we feel its no longer profitable, fuck you"
>>715263576I think we shouldn't expect a response before 2027, official shit always takes insanely long
>>715263618You actually tried to smuglmao me so you can look like one in the right. I can see right through you. You're doing it now. Again, kill yourself nigger.
>>715263609Then why do you care if live service games exist and then eventually die? That's the whole point of a live service model. They get money, they work on the game, the game naturally dies off, they make a sequel, players buy back in because they like the series, and then repeat. And it is actually quite a successful model. Look at Fortnite and COD for example.
>>715260205It's somehow always overreach when it's for the little people but if it's for a corporation it's fine.
>>715263837At least you managed to reply to the right people this time. It's a start
>>715263658You're a retard and you should ideally be castrated so you can't give any woman the curse of having a retarded nigger child.
>>715263609No but they do come force bundled with things you didn't buy and don't need, including the terms of service agreements, contracts and indeed disclaimers that you love so much and are already reaching to point to as justification.
>>715246178>le vote with your wallet guisePeople have been spouting this for 30 years, and look where it took us.
>>715262337you should try plying anything these days where games are routinely ruined by the cheaters even with all the anti-cheat measures and outright die if you dont ban them
>>715260205There are already EU laws on this shit, they favor the consumer. Why is that permissible but consumers trying to redress the balance is going to be """overreach"""?
>>715263974SKG will die and it will be funny to see. No more niggercommunists wanting free shit forever. Bye bye!
>>715255083 Ew, it's garbage AI.
@715264072
Hm this bait post isn't really worth a (You) from me. Could you come up with something more enticing?
>>715264029Yes, and people voted for their wallets that they want live service games. Business.
>>715263763??? The video game disclaimer will also say when your access ends. How is that different from a contract?
>>715263837I hope live services games continue to exist and then die. All it needs is a disclaimer stating that it might die today/tomorrow/etc...
>>715256621Based but still going to convince the Europes to sign.
>>715264170Not a bait post, it's going to happen. And it will be awesome.
>>715264049I would but modern multiplayer games are not a tenth as fun as the dark age before (((live services)))
>>715264024Ok...? So...? read the fine print. If you don't agree, don't buy.
>>715264209>vote with your wallet!!!!!!>when has that ever worked?>no you don't understand, I'm only saying it so you get "outvoted"You're not very good at this are you?
>>715264232>All it needs is a disclaimer stating that it might die today/tomorrow/etc...Yes, that's why it says "live service". That is the big massive hint that if player interest dies, the game dies. Do you also need someone to tell you how to wipe your ass?
@715264286
Hm, no. Think I'm going to vote with my wallet on this one anon. Your bait just really isn't up to my standard to earn a (You)
>>715254559you never owned the game, you owned a physical medium, you're still bound by law to not reproduce the zeros and ones.
>>715264392>Yes, that's why it says "live service"Answer this post:
>>715262630>Oooooh so we'll regulate it like a service then? Games companies will be upfront at the time of purchase how long the service is to last for? Because that's how things like themepark tickets are regulated. They have to say how long your ticket is valid for, what days you can use it, what happens if the whole park goes out of business or has to close etc etc>You'll do all that? Because you're hosting a service, right?
>>715255083Because General Assemblies were massively ineffective, consensus decision making is a meme when it comes to mass meetings, if it weren't for GAs, it would've succeeded
>>715264397Trump won, Nigmala lost.
>>715264072>niggercommunists wanting free shit foreverBut enough about game studios.
>>715264316You're retarded. Voting with your wallet has worked and is currently working. People want these games.
>>715264392It needs to be more clear than "live service". It should say "This game might end today/tomorrow/etc...". That's all I'm advocating for. Live service games should definitely continue, they just need a more clear disclaimer
>>715250883>no access to clean water>horrible food>horrible health care (even though they live in a welfare state)>no infrastructure>totally fucked in the event of a natural catastrophyyou literally described every country that ISN'T in europe.
The shit food part concerns only the UK and nordic countries, the entire rest of continental cuisine absolutely mogs the shit out of the rest of the world cuisine. Including overspiced asian slop where you have to kill the taste of the food first to make it edible
@715264508
Yeah because being on the side of tranny-loving billion dollar leftoid game stuidos is so le heckin based right?
Still haven't earned that (You) anon. I'm starting to wonder if you really want it.
>>715264309I do exercise that discretion, I also advocate for laws that will make it an unnecessary exercise and increase the percentage of games I will agree to buy.
>>715264475 Again, fairly obvious that if a game says that it is "live service" that automatically means that the game will stay alive as long as there is player interest. Any live service game you buy, you are automatically buying a product that will eventually expire. No retarded greentext is going to change that.
>>715264309I buy games not fine print. Pretty sure you do too.
>>715264609>Voting with your wallet has worked and is currently working. People want these games.Lmao that's a new one on me
>whatever is currently happening must be the will of the market and is definitely not the result of corporate lobbyistsIf you want to larp as a free market lobertarian, they actually tend to believe that the market isn't currently free because the consumer is unable to counter corporate meddling via the legislature. But nice try!
>>715264814>Again, fairly obvious that if a game says that it is "live service" that automatically means that the game will stay alive as long as there is player interestFunny how there isn't another service in the entire western world run like that, isn't it?
>>715264663>>715264703Oops, looks like you made a mistake while quoting. You have to put ">>" in front of the post number, not "@". You can also just click the post number and it will automatically quote it for you!
>>715264508See
>>715264663 and
>>715264703
>>715264609People want games not the attached live service shit, why are you conflating them?
>>715246259>t. Jacque Rebur from Charleroi
>>715264564Can you explain how game studios want free shit? They are spending their own money creating a product that they hope people will want to buy. Again, incredible risk. That doesn't sound like "free shit" to me.
>>715264609Why should they be forced to put anything into a game? It's their product.
>>715264703Woke more correct.
>ahh bloo bloo muh corboration bad save me globohomo government!
Instead of voting to stop the government from enforcing intellectual ""property""" laws that enable companies to create monopolies, yuropoors vote for more regulation.
I hope they pass draconian laws, such as requiring facial recognition to play online.
>>715264897Same, but I just don't get mad when games go away because I was the retard that didn't read.
>>715264906Are you saying that people buy things they don't want?
>>715265375>Instead of voting to stop the government from enforcing intellectual ""property""" laws that enable companies to create monopoliesHey uh. This is exactly what SKG is doing. Hope that helps.
>>715265197If that was the case, then people wouldn't be putting their money into them unless they were tricked. A disclaimer would prevent those tricks.
>>715265268Because some "live service" games currently trick consumers by removing the game without informing people.
>>715265526without PROPERLY informing people. The fine print is bs.
>>715265391>Are you saying that people buy things they don't want?I'm saying the consumers do not have the ability to influence the contracts they enter into. Well, there is one way actually. You see, you can start a legally recognized petition to convince your government to redress the balance of consumer contracts to be more favorable to the consumerWAIT A MINUTE!
>>715265609THEY CAN YOU FUCKING RETARD, BY NOT BUYING THE FUCKING PRODUCT YOU FUCK
>>715265526Again, the term 'live service' means that the game isn't going to be running forever. If a customer bought the product without doing any research in what 'live service' means, that is on the customer for not doing research in what they're buying.
>>715265676>just convince a billion people not to enter into contracts they probably haven't even read or understood, if you can't do that then it must actually be what the consumers wantSorry Maldy, 1.4million EU consumers have said that the current state of the market is NOT what they want, and they are voicing it. If you want everything to stay exactly as it is, maybe you should start a counter petition? If your view really is the will of the consumers, then you should have no problem collecting far more signatures than SKG right?
>>715265493>This is exactly what SKG is doinglol
>>715265815>Again, the term 'live service' means that the game isn't going to be running forever.Every contract for a service is required to say when the service ends. Videogame contracts don't do this because ostensibly they are purchases, not contracts for services. You keep saying it actually is a service, but never seem to address why it isn't regulated like every other service.
Why is that anon?
>>715265815I disagree and believe "live service" is still too vague. It should say "This game may/will discontinue..."
>>715265828Not him, but Europeans are mostly communists that want the government to tell them what to do. Do you want the government to have control over what you buy? Or do you want the personal freedom to choose what *you* want to buy?
>>715265828fug ok you got me u win gg no ree
>>715265268Game studios absolutely are wanting free shit out of our pockets when they kill Game right before releasing Game 2, or ban you for saying a microaggression so you'll have to buy another copy (funny how everything is fine and forgiven as long as you give them more money that is) and this insentivizes them to tone police nore and more which shits up and chills the public discourse as well as games, and they are wanting free shit when they introduce any feature that increases profitability doesn't make the game more fun.
>>715265391>>715265526You are missing my point and I think being obtuse. A disclaimer is the furthest thing from a solution to the problem because the problem is fundamentally that things like disclaimers are being trojaned into what should be a simple videogame purchase. There is no good reason a simple game should include a faustian bargain, they didn't for decades and the only thing that's changed is the ambient amount of corporate overreach.
The real issue with SKG apologists is that they say that voting with your wallet doesn't work. It does, you're just getting outvoted. Don't want to accept the democratic result?
>>715266031>Do you want the government to have control over what you buy?The government already regulates consumer contracts, even in the US. Your lolbertarian larp is so weak because you're not very good at representing actual libertarian values.
The consumers are at a colossal disadvantage in consumer contracts because they have no power to alter their contracts, their terms are dictated to them.
""""le vote with your wallet!"""""" is a smokescreen, and you know it. It's why you keep flip-flopping between
>actually if people still enter these contracts it must be what they want!!!!!and
>okay so it's not what the consumers want but do you really want le heckin government to intervene?????You're the lowest IQ contrarian cocksucker I've ever seen. You can't even write coherent bait.
Government already regulates consumer contracts. The consumer is petitioning to make those contracts more favorable to them.
You have no argument against this.
>>715246178this really pissed off the newfags
>>715265978Seeing how everyone knows what 'live service' means now thanks to SKG, this isn't a problem.
>>715265961Because you can't measure when live service games are going to die. They die when players stop showing interest and money stops rolling in. Seems simple enough to me.
>>715266345We need to isolate variables. Release a few games that have a "live service" and a version exactly the same without any of that cancerous shit and see which sells more.
>>715246259literally a made-up country
>>715266660>Because you can't measure when live service games are going to dieOh can't you? That's a shame anon. Maybe we need some special classification of regulation then, since as you've said this is such a special case.
>>715266660It doesn't mean anything statutorily, it's a deliberately vague term so they can cherry pick what they want it to mean in court.
>>715266769Oh yeah whete did the waffles come from fuckfave
>>715266870Why would there need to be regulation against a product that people are going to buy willingly? They know it's going to die, but they buy it anyways. You're a communist and you should be shot.