Thread 715327868

yikes

The human eye can't see above 1080p

More like 4k monitors and GPUs that can use them continue to be too expensive.

4K has returned to meme status thanks to upscaling bullshit, and modern games running worse than they ever have.

upscaling and fake frames are not 4K

>>715327868 (OP)
1080p still looks good

1440p Chads report

Native 4K is fucking expensive. Stick to 2K unless you want to spend used car money on a meme computer that will fail to run 4K next year when the newer version of whatever resource hog graphics engine gets even more bloated

Theres allt of 4K panels with bad response time you may end up actually downgrading if you aren't careful and the absurd product pricing isn't helping. You can straight up buy a bigger and cheaper 4K TV in most instances. The monitor industry has gone full retard

>>715327868 (OP)
AAAShit doesn't even run well at 1080p anymore and hardware prices are through the roof, who the fuck wants to spend a fortune on a 4K rig just to end up with some blurry ass upscaled garbage that runs even worse?

>>715327868 (OP)
4K is a meme.

>LOL POOR
No. You can't run 4K natively without frame-gen, it's a fucking meme until cards are able to power native games at 60FPS without AI bullshit on that resolution.

Until then 1080 will be forever king.

>>715327868 (OP)
happy with my 27" 4k 240hz OLED running 2+ year old games without framegen or upscaling :)

>>715328108
3440x1440 ultrawide with two 1440p monitors on the sides. Yep, I think it's gaming, gooning, and gaining (knowledge) time. This is the best my setup has felt over the past 11 years of being a PC Chad

>>715330102
Blessed taste

>>715328035
Bingo

>>715328108
Still running native 1440. Still happy. Fake resolutions be gone.

If it's esports shit then you want it to run it at the highest framerate you could. Think some pros run CSGO at like 1280*720 or something too

>>715330191
they also set their mouse sensitivity to almost 0 so you have to do a fucking half-desk sweep with your hand to turn 15 degrees or some shit

>>715327868 (OP)
1440p is the sweet spot for 27inch monitors

>>715327868 (OP)
It's not that they reject 4k gaming. It's that lots of them are stupid motherfuckers that have a expensive as fuck 4k video card but they pair it with a shitty 1080p monitor.

PC gamer are stupid. Lot of them never even changed the refresh rate of their monitor.

>>715329969
>only 27"
Why do the biggest retards always brag?

>>715330542
Larger monitors than that are unpleasant to use

>>715330449
Yep, we literally don't need any more than this. Any bigger resolution wise and it starts to creep towards diminishing returns. The screen sizes above 27 start getting wide enough to the point you have to physically turn your head to see the screen. This is counter intuitive to ergonomics and will lead to unnecessary neck strain. Lurk any battlestation thread on leddit and the chan you will inevitably find someone who bought a fuckhuge monitor with buyers remorse

I play everything in 1080p. I have both 30xx and 40xx cards and all my games seem to run better at lower resolutions. Don't know why that is because I'm not a computer nerd, but I know it works and I'm not gonna change.

I got a dual mode 4K@160/1080p@320 monitor. Then I quickly realized I only play games made like 10 years ago so even my mediocre GPU can handle 4K just fine for them.

4k is not worth the performance drop.

>>715327868 (OP)
4k monitors are expensive, really you want pay $700 USD for a monitor?

show me a 4k image of a game which looks worse than a 1080p image of the same game.

>>715327868 (OP)
i mean its not like human head would suddenly grow larger in size overnight
games will be more and more intensive, 3090 would be a 1080p card the older it gets
1080p good enough for majority of people on a desk

Im actually looking for one right now. I have been usinga decade old 27" 60hz TN monitor so I feel like even a modern 24" 1080p 100+hz IPS would be an great upgrade. But they are all so cheap and this fact combined with some of the negative reviews always make me second guess and I cant decide which one to get...

>>715331312
TAA being a forced option across most modern slop will be an issue. Cyberpunk and Asscreed as two examples that come to mind

>>715331457
did you not understand what was written?

>>715331312
>makes up an argument that no one was claiming
calm down with the buyer's remorse

>>715331510
did you not understand either?

>>715331359
Choose whatever matches the price and size you want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcLD5ans57s

>>715331541
Who was claiming that 1080p looks better than 4k?
No, the claim is that 4K is a meme because it's not worth the additional performance requirement, not that it looks worse than 1080

>>715327868 (OP)
You never needed more than 1080p

>>715331603
>it's a meme
>nobody is claiming that
maybe you need to reread the thread.
Now post your image of 4k looking worse or fuck off from replying to me you dumb cunt

>>715327995
This. If I move up in resolution it'll be to 1440.

>>715331632
A meme that it isn't worth it
Not that it looks worse than 1080p like (You) seem to think the argument is

>>715331603
>it's not worth the additional performance requirement
What if it is to some people?

>>715329160
My 9070xt runs 4k natively
Inb4
>butmuhpathtracinginthesegames

>>715327868 (OP)
jajajajaajaja I just don't want to spend so much cash on shit I don't need, when will these corporations get it????

>>715331503
I understand the assignment, I'm saying you're asking a loaded question. The games on paper will appear "sharper" on 4K when it reality it's just masking the poor aliasing that going on in the background. It's the same reason why certain games render better with DLSS versus native, incompetent/malicious devs sabotaging thier games

>>715331682
It isn't worth what?

>>715331724
does it look better at 4k than 1080p? Yes / No ?

>>715327868 (OP)
Using a downsampling from 1440p/4k in 1080p 144hz monitor feels and looks better than using my 50' 4k TV

>>715331763
Did someone claim 1080p looks better than 4K? Yes / No?

>>715331195
>4k monitor
No you buy a c4 or c5 42

>>715327868 (OP)
My face is half a meter from the screen, 27" 1440p is all I need.

Im tempted to buy a 4k 48 inch oled tv and put it on my desk, I used to use a tv as a monitor for ages and I simply miss the feeling. The 42 inch models just seem like an awkward middle ground between 32 inch and 48 inch

>>715331796
You are a next level goalpost mover and retarded

>>715327868 (OP)
>>715327912
hasn't this actually been tested
most people cant see no difference between 1080p and higher resolutions

>have a 4k monitor and a 4090 to drive it
>textures look like absolute dogshit in some games suddenly
One downside.

>>715327868 (OP)
I've seen this same thread several times over several days is this deja vu?

>>715331846
>it's a meme
why is it a meme?

>>715331312
>show me a 4k image to look at on my 1080p screen
Im team 1080p, but this is the stupidest argument you could have made

>>715331846
I still don't see you pointing out who claimed 1080p looks better than 4K
It was always that 4K isn't worth the money / performance necessary over a lower resolution

>>715331312
Modern optimization is so fucked that many games are literally impossible to run at 4k60 let alone 4k120 even with the best GPUs (no fake frames and pixels don't count)
1080p lets you comfortably go to 180+ fps with mods and you don't need a $4k 5090 to do it either

>>715331543
Thx I actually looked at some of his old vids but most of the time like in this one he only talks about high end stuff and the only 1080ps hes featuring are these crazy 240+hz ones which I just dont need.

>>715331814
>50cm
You need like 140 ppi at that distance to not see the pixels

>>715327912
Doesn't it depend on the size of the screen? I think it's more of a pixels per square inch thing.

>>715331917
how would you know. You have a 1080p monitor. everything will look shit on it

>>715331312
>image which looks worse
No such thing. You'd need very high framerate uncompressed video to find such an example (and that's not accounting for the worse response time you usually get at 4K).
>inb4 good goys consoom the 5090

>>715331839
tvs have dogshit latency and input delay

>>715331896
It's just faggots getting off for calling others poor

>>715331937
>still no image showing how great 1080p is vs 4k.

nonsense.

>>715328108
Dual monitor, 144hz 1440p

I regret NOTHING

>>715331915
>>715331931
I like how me, a third guy, joins in and you think im the other guy lmao

This dude cant answer a yes or no question though lmfao he just keeps saying; but it masks aliasing so it looks the same as 1080p: but muh taa

>>715331968
Expensive OLEDs don't (always) fit this rule, but I wouldn't want a game HUD burnt into my TV.

4k as a luxury makes sense when you buy a qd oled at 32" 240hz. You get the high ppi + hdr and contrast and color volume. You need a 5070 ti type gpu tho.

If you use a 4k lcd then you're probably a bit weird and bought it at the wrong time when you should've got a 1440p one.

>>715331958
>you need high fps footage to be able to see if 4k looks worse than 1080p
This gpt bot is retarded

for me, it's ultra wide

>>715332016
this better be a feature in my government mandated living pod in 2038

>>715332042
I've asked two questions. Nobody has answered them yet.
Why do you write paragraphs about things I've not asked?

>>715327868 (OP)
Most laptops are 1080p which change the stats up, showing a monitor is dishonest.

>>715332016
cool

>>715331940
1080p is basically solved if you want to go cheap. He used to reccomend an AOC 1080p 144hz monitor for those people that want good latency and cheap price.

>>715331968
>>715332056
>tvs have bad latency
Meanwhile in reality they have the same inputlag as monitors now and responsetimes of oleds are much much faster than tns. I went from a 540hz tn to the c4 42.

>>715331763
Are you a shill? 4K gaming in a traditional sense does not exists you have to back to games from 2014 and older to get a reasonable idea on what it would actually look like. Anything made since has poor anti aliasing algorithms fucking with the image quality. It will look like a blurry mess and feel choppy. You will get a poorer experience with 4K without even taking into account the heavier grunt needed to push those pixels

>4k is a meme
>because it looks better than other resolutions
why is it a meme then?

>>715327868 (OP)
yeah no shit. 4k stuff is expensive to run

>>715332135
When you go to 4k on a laptop you'll likely go up a tier or two in the GPU too. And that will cost you like $1000 extra.

>>715332178
that's a lot of words to side step the question. How about you just answer rather than validate your own position

>>715332132
Im not that guy retard holy fuck youre retarded.

>>715332165
>>715332056
TVs are usually built with low quality signal processors, or worse yet have layers of post processing bullshit. Input delay is inherit, gaming monitors are for gaming. TVs are for watching netflix and console players who don't know any better.

>>715327868 (OP)
I dont need anything higher. Maybe I will get a 2k monitor when I upgrade my GPU next, but who knows. The gaming industry has managed to trick retarded coomsumers into thinking they need newest GPU RIGHT NOW and highest resolution monitor. It is like a status symbol or something. The advancement in technology is cool, but why people keep falling for the tricks is crazy to me. So many people waste their money on stuff they never needed

>>715327868 (OP)
compatibility is a lot better with 1080. everything just works

>>715332251
I don't care who the fuck you are. You all seem to be struggling replying to questions and are writing fucking irrelevant blog posts to me about things I didn't ask for.

>>715332090
Not what I said, you disingenuous slopbaiting faggot. You WILL NOT get the same framerates at 4K compared to 1080p, it is a tradeoff. Comparing quality of still images is the same as marketing faggots praising upscaling when it looks like utter shit in motion. But you're probably a consolenigger who never even felt 1080p@240Hz so why do I even bother.

>upgrading to see all that TAA and framegen artifacting in glorious 4k
No thanks

>>715332016
tech like this is the only reason I'm not neet. Need to buy new shit, and I want to buy this.

>>715332178
Why cant you say if 4k looks better than 1080p? Whats your obsession with AA?

You can just boot up an old game and use dsr to take some 4k and 1080p screenshots and post them to imgur

>>715332191
Because to 90% of people, the increase in visual quality isn't worth the money for the more expensive monitor or the more powerful hardware
The resolution isn't a meme
Everything required to enable it makes it a meme

Q.

Does 4k look better than 1080p? (Yes/No)

Q.

If "Yes" then why is it a meme?

>>715332191
it's just a cope for now with people still playing 1080/1440 res on 24/27 inch screens.
once something on par with the 4070 ti super/4080 is sub $500 they'll catch up.
4k/hdr/oled is the real generational leap in pc gaming, it's just not a lot of people can afford it yet.

>>715332365
that's a money issue and not a tech issue.

That's like people in india saying bottled water is a meme because they can drink perfectly cloudy sewage

>>715332391
>Does 4k look better than 1080p? (Yes/No)
4K low @ any framerate probably does look worse than 1080 Ultra at the same frame rate (but actually higher frame rate than 4K)

>>715332272
I can tell you are in facr genuinely retarded.
>>715332306
>>715332310
You two are actually retarded too.

Also lmao this guy says fps determines the quality of a resolution.

>>715328108
Based

>>715332432
And clearly the implication when people say 4K is a meme is the tech issues
Are you autistic by chance? You can't seem to infer what other people mean and only take words in the literal sense

>>715332461
Why do you keep making it about framerate rajesh?

>>715327868 (OP)
I bought a 42" 4k 120hz OLED display with G-sync for 800 dollars 2 years ago and it also serves as my TV as it's on a mount that can swivel out to face the rest of the room. I feel like that's crazy good value already as it has every buzzword that really matters, but maybe that's just because I spent way too much time in front of it

>>715332391
it looks marginally better but it costs significantly more and therefore isn't worth it, perhaps meme is too strong a word but it still doesn't merit upgrading yet imo

>>715332391
yes
worse performance, and 4k is for large screens. on smaller screens lower resolutions will look fine too. if you want to game at high framerates, lower res is better. if you want to watch a movie, go 4k.

>>715328108
I still scale desktop to 125% for 1080p size icons and stuff

>>715332524
>It's a meme
>because I can't afford it
Why not just be honest and say you can't afford it rather than say the tech is bad?

>Buy IPS monitor in 2010
>Cool
>Buy IPS monitor top of the cream in 2025
>Looks the exact same

What happened to monitors? why did technology stagnate so much?

>>715332092
yes I too enjoy having to jump through hoops for 90% of games to get them to run properly on my meme resolution

Be /v/ dont understand that resolution offers more like; realestate. A 4k monitor offers the realestate of 4x 1080p displays. Very useful for not gaming.

Also 4k can integer scale 1080p with no loss in quality compared to native 1080p on the same sized display (in inches)

>>715332547
>marginally
it's 4x the amount of pixels. It's like running 540p vs 1080p. You wouldn't say 1080p is marginally better would you?

>>715332658
i thank oled every day for saving us from ips

>>715332621
Can tell you are blind.
>>715332658
You went from ips to ips. What did you expect?

>>715332621
Windows scaling is stupid. It keeps breaking Japanese games for me.

>>715332582
>performance
I don't have that issue. That's a you problem.
I would choose 60fps at 4k over 1000fps at 1080p every time.

>>715327868 (OP)
I have been using same 32" 1440p ips monitor for 5 years. I will only upgrade when 32" oled is $300 or less.

>>715332690
Compete horseshit, you can't use a 4k display without 150% scaling.

>>715332741
>>715332750
surely 15 years was enough time to at least improve the contrast of the motion blur right?
Surely they don't expect me to pay premium for an OLED screen that I have to babysit every 2 seconds so it doesn't get burn-in right?

>>715332717
it's undeniable that there are diminishing returns man, having a bigger number doesn't immediately mean that things look that much better

>>715332690
so, you need a bigger screen for that real-estate. so 4k is more of a large TV thing rather than monitor thing. PPI matters more. 1440p 27 inch will have similar PPI sharpness as 4k 45 inch

>>715332658
you were willing to buy a high end IPS monitor, you unironically should've gotten a 120Hz OLED display instead at this point.

>>715332540
i bought a 55 lg c2 two years ago for $1200 and it's the most satisfying tech purchase i've ever made besides maybe the first decent smartphone i got. it still has a wow factor to me when watching uncompressed uhd movies.
1000s of hours on it and still no hint of burn in. only complaint is the ui/ux designers need to be taken out back and shot for continually making menus worse with updates.

>>715332849
it certainly does when you compare 4k to 1080p.

>modern games can't even run at a stable 60 fps with 1080p resolution
>why won't people play at 4k??

>>715332240
>>715332363
You're arguing in bad faith. I'm giving you a substantive rebuttal but you insist on firing back anyways. There's countless of examples of what I'm referring to and you won't ever get an apples to apples comparison because it doesn't exist. Masking your game play with artificial frames and other gimmicks is not actual 4K and will always look worse than native 1080p without poor engine handicaps

>>715332774
>choosing just 60 fps
seems like it is a you problem

>>715332742
>that hideous edge warping

>>715332896
not enough to justify completely rebuilding my gaming pc that's more than capable of playing new releases

>>715331945
Well I don't see them

>>715332823
you don't have to baby sit shit, just set the screen to turn off after a few minutes of idle. Any decent OLED at this point also has multiple features that limit burn in as well.

>>715332926
>you're arguing in bad faith.
I asked someone to show me a 1080p image which looks better than a 4k image.
What argument did I make?

>>715328108
>1440p monitor
>1920x1080 windowed mode game
>Docked to the top right of the monitor
>Just enough room to see threads update and scroll them without alt tabbed
It really doesn't get any better than this

>>715332391
>Does 4k look better than 1080p?

It does only because of technicalities not purely because of the resolution bump. Modern game engines sabotage lower resolutions with forced smeering and motion blur to justify unecessary monitor upgrades

1k for a 4k tv
or less then 100 for 1080p
HMMMMM tough choice.

>>715332959
>justify
in what way?

>>715333095
alright i'm out of this thread. the level of retardation some of you poorfags cope with is too painful to read.

>>715333095
show the full images

>>715332774
Absolute subhuman taste.
Let me guess, you also play PC ports of Snoy "games"?

>>715333154
the amount of improvement has to justify the cost and it just doesn't

>>715333260
I play everything which you can't

Once you do have 4k it's hard to go back though. TAA is no longer an issue and neither is upscaling so to be honest it might not even need that beefy of a GPU to game at 4k.

>>715333095
So true, I can't even stand DLSS anymore it just looks like smudged shit. TAA is actually cancer I would played at 720 with aliasing over that garbage.

>>715333285
So if the screens cost the same and you had the GPU power then you run 4k?

>>715333285
How would you know poor?

>I really should upgrade
>Tamriel rebuilt
>1070 runs it just fine

You know what, it's video games that need a downgrade.

>>715333334
TAA is less noticeable compared to 1080p but it still degrades the image quality and introduces dogshit smeering to the game. Nvidia going all in on AI frames and upscaling is no sheer coindence, they want to force this trend on everybody and give cover for engine slop like UE5

Problem is modern games being optimized as shit due to their engines and new tech.
A 4070ti Super should be able to run games way over 60fps at 1080p without raytracing, right? Well, games badly made with UE5 won't allow it since it's poorly optimized

>>715333334
>once you have an oled
>once you have an ssd
>once you have this thing that you were totally just fine without

Whatever, man.

>>715327868 (OP)
no way, who would have thought that the display standard that was forced down everyone's throats and is thereby the most economical continues to be dominant in the absence of any newer federally mandated standards.

now for a topic that isn't dumb OP shit, ATSC won't roll out 4K nationwide until 2030 at the earliest, and there's no timetable for discontinuing 1080 broadcasts

I just want a modern 16:10 monitor.

>I share the same board with niggers who genuinely think like this >71533333
Unbelieveably grim

>>715333374
They would have to
>cost the same
>not require a beefy GPU just to upscale the image it because it can't even run natively at a respectable framerate
>furthermore, run at 120/144hz minimum, stable
>natively, not frame generated
>not soak up 600w under load (both gpu and monitor)
1440p native rendering is the current limit of technology, not because of hardware but because devs are fucking talentless retards compared to geniuses working under actual limitations decades prior

>>715327868 (OP)
what happens if you remove china and all the bots that come with it

>>715333732
a lot of your points are to do with cost and not display resolution.
Your other points assume that 1080p native on a 1080p monitor looks better than 1080p DLSS upscaled to 4k on a 4k monitor. Which it doesn't.

>>715333769
Seriously, they need to not factor in china and india.

I think using the word "rejecting" might be a bit strong. Maybe a little click-baity.

Like you could phrase thia however you want almost.
>Sony data review shows console owners rejecting superior mouse and keyboard for cheaper alternatives such as gamepads.

Really. See anyone can do it.

>>715327868 (OP)
4k monitors themselves aren't the issue, they're relatively cheap and affordable, but to actually play games in 4k requires an RTX _090 tier card, which cost $3000+, no one except the very wealthy can justify paying that much.

Most people have a GPU budget around the $500 mark, which today means they're limited to RTX _060 tier cards which are just too anemic to handle modern games in 4k.

I do my office work at 4k, because staring at Revit in 4k gives me way less eyestrain.

>>715332658
Stagnate? You mean regress.

4k fucking sucks.
It's too demanding, but somehow mandatory to make modern games not look like vaseline smeared garbage.
Even with DLSS, somehow 4k in performance mode is much more demanding than 1080p with dlaa, even though they're outputting the same internal resolution.

Yo these quantum dot OLEDS have a real 3D depth effect, and the processors in the TV now will assist the console in maintaining 120fps, double frame gen.

4k vs 1080p
Anyone who says 4k is a meme is a coping poorfag

>>715334093
>disk free console

>>715334367
>while typing on a disk free pc

>>715334069
That isn't very surprising. It would be weirder if 1080p DLAA took the same amount of time as 1080p -> 4k.

VR>4K

>>715333095
game?

>>715334417
VR has no fucking games anon, and I say that with a bigscreen beyond 2 sitting in cart.

Dual 1080p with an RTX 4080
Real frames > MOAR PIXELS

>>715327995
PC fanboys argue (read: troll) so much but this the real reason. Why do PC fanboys troll so much?

>>715334391
PC lets you freely copy files. Consoles advantage was supposed to be discs.

>>715334483
NTA VR is worth it for Elite Dangerous and sim racing alone.

>>715334523
>disk is optional
it's down to the user really. I had a PS5 with a drive and found I stuck to games on my drive rather than fuck about with disks.

>>715334536
I've played superhot and the regulars I know it can be kinda fun.
But the games are generally on the quality level of a wii game, and very few of them.

>>715327868 (OP)
Deus ex was made for 800x600 so why would I need 4k?

>>715327868 (OP)
"Most PC gamers are poor and stuck in the third world, playing League Of Legends and other F2P trash on 3rd-generation hand-me-down netbooks"
fixed your headline for you
t. 4k120hz/5800x/7900xt

>>715334602
I don't play stuff like that. I can't stand paying for basically some shit Quest 2 game port with higher textures. I think the last motion controller game I bought in VR was Red Matter 2.

>>715327868 (OP)
>no GPU can run modern unoptimized slop in 4k at a stable 120 FPS unless you use dick limping screen sharpening with FaG
>4k monitors are unreasonablly expensive
No wonder.

>>715334883
I'm mentally sound though

>>715334701
No one cares.
t. consoomer fag
>>715334512
Anon at least go up to 1440p with that GPU.

Mines 240hz but it’s like 25 inches or something
Nothing spectacular but it looks amazing for a monitor that came with the pc
I want to get a much bigger one at some point

>>715332016
>have pets
>they run smack dab into the screen all the time

>>715334701
/r/PCMR /V Vegan/

>>715327868 (OP)
>4k but actually not 4K because game can't even do true 4K else they shit the brd
OR
>Crystal clear 1080P with internal rendering ramped up to 4x

>>715331953
This.

>>715335167
>GPU can't run native 4k
>but can run 1080p x 4
retard

>>715335081
Pets are less retarded than the average /v/irgin. They can recognize when something isn't physically there. Usually.

>>715334005
I've been using a 3080 I bought used for $400 the last 2 years 4k with high-ultra settings and get 75~ FPS in anything I've played so far with DLAA quality (though sometimes balanced in some games to keep it 60+ even in the worst areas). So you can still reasonably game at 4k without paying out the ass for a video card. There's definitely no reason not to be playing at 1440p if you're paying above $400 for a video card by now.
Going from DLAA quality to any other option never looks noticeably better, and I have yet to see a game where ray tracing doesn't look like shit and I'm not sure how long it will take to get out of gimmick-tier implementation if ever, because physx certainly didn't.

>>715335120
Stardew Valley is fucking good tho

ITT people have convinced themselves that native 1080p/1440p looks better than DLSS upscaled 4k

how odd.

>>715327868 (OP)
Its cuz 1080p monitors are the only affordable ones, and people would rather have 3-6 monitors than 1 really good one.
also somethingsomething graphics cards are overpriced and you need a beefy one to play even old games at 4k

Name one (1) game that benefits from a resolution higher than 1920x1080

The part the article conveniently forgot to mention is the massive rise in simplified chinese as the main language on steam.

The human eye renders in 1080p anything above is literally invisible

>>715335324 (Me)
And explain how a higher resolution is beneficial for said game

>more than half of steam can't play at 4K
PC Master platform warring race of /v/ Plebbitors isn't 99% of the PC userbase, good to know.

>>715328131
2k is 1080p.

>>715335371
>The human eye renders in 1080p anything above is literally invisible

This is either the stupidest thing I've read all year, or it's good bait. I hope it isn't bait and that you reply.

Because it just looks nicer while requiring a beast GPU to run natively.
There aren't many games where 4K would give you a competitive advantage, or makes a major difference in how the game is played.

PC fanboys making the most overt PCMR platform warrior posts vs. PC gaming real world market reality

>>715335371
The vision of the human eye is roughly equivalent to a resolution of 32000x18000 pixels

I have a giant 4k display so I can shoot dudes hundreds of meters out that would only be a single pixel large on a normal 1080p display
why yes, I am paying to win

>>715335371
1080i since we have two eyes.

>>715335621
Did you play this Unreal crap yourself?

Again with this thread.

>>715335620
Watching the original Star Wars with extra frames is freaky, as in, it makes the movement of ships all the more realistic. Not saying it's proper, but it is striking.
Specifically, watch the Falcon as it is pulled into the Death Star with extra frames.

>8 VRAM $400 entry level GPUs
>*buckbreaks /v PC vegan lifestyle/ /r/Steam PCMR fanboys*

>>715332771
Works on my machine.

>>715331839
I have a 48 inch c4 which I game on a little further away from the side of my bed, haha. You saying you can put it on a desk? How much depth would you need??

>>715335248
>My uncle sold me his 4080 super for $300 and a handy, see 4k gaming is affordable
Meanwhile in reality

>>715327868 (OP)
Nope. Not buying your overpriced junk.

>>715327868 (OP)
Meme resolution

>>715328108
based ultra native 4k chad reporting in

if you need anything more than 640x480, you've lost the plot

>>715335696
You tell 'em /v/egan PCMR sister!

>>715335849
I literally bought it off ebay
and I said 3080 not 4080

>>715329160
>you cant
You can.

>>715328108
>1440p Chad
>500x500
huh?

>>715335917
Sure you did, we believe you.

>>715335908
>SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS ARE ALWAYS ACCURATE AND NEVER MADE UP BULLSHIT
System requirements are fucking useless the only time they matter is a specific hardware requirement i.e. DirectX version support.

>>715335887
You're trolling, but it gives me a good excuse to post this explanation that can help a lot of anons. Upscaling, or getting a new release of older media, like say, Jaws (1975), is not about creating new information or changing elements in film, it's about bringing what already is to a resolution that looks good on huge monitors. Just had to say this because it's got to be the same for games in that, changing the res should not and does not create a new game or constitute a "remaster."

>>715327995
More like developers don't actually scale their text and UIs properly for 4k or even 2k then surprised when no one can read shit and everyone toggles back to 1080 on their 4k monitor

>>715335908
All I'm saying is you should use a good game that most PC players can't run. No one is getting sour graped about you sniffing your turd.

>>715335206
Sorry, i don't play unrealslop.

>>715327868 (OP)
at least they didn't fall for the OLED meme... well hopefully. Only consolefags that don't know VRR looks terrible on it were the target demographic. real PC gamers would be able to see that shit is beta tester tech.

>>715335953
Oh yeah sure just let me adjust the DLSSlop 4 (performance)!

>>715336124
Plenty of recent games run at 4K on my 4090 without DLSS.
Sorry bro you're wrong. Cope harder.

>>715335774
I watched Saving Private Ryan intro with interpolation. It looks kinda crap. But it also looks like someone was actually there filming the war for real. Weird effect.

>Borderlands 4
uh, ok?

ps5 is actually 8k

This is ultra performance FSR4 at 4k. I literally wouldn't be able to tell, but at 1440p it's a blurry mess.

>>715335248
I have a similar card that can do ultra settings but it gets me to like 50-90fps which is cringe to me because medium/xrap settings gets me 144fps which is almost double and looks more or less the same so I just use medium on everything and keep shadows on high and get 120 + in every game
But I think games run smoother with higher fps, that’s my schizo theory

>>715336164
>trust me dood
sure whatever you say

>>715336269
What's your metric fuck face? 60fps 4K without DLSS is easy peasy.
>I want 480fps
Then play at 1080 you esports wannabe loser it's almost like that's the purpose of actually using 1080 this day and age.

>>715336210
>It looks kinda crap. But it also looks like someone was actually there filming the war for real. Weird effect.

That's just what I mean. It made Star Wars look real and wrong. On the plus side, this is excellent because it means I can use my TV to effectively repair jacked up footage. Follow this, you simply turn it on, record it, then when you got your file, you can then change it to the speed you like, but the benefit of those extra frames will still be there. Is it wrong? I don't know. It is not true restoration? I don't know, but it is cool and opens up a lot of possibilities.

1080p was a resolution used by the ps360 nearly 20 years ago.

>>715336262
>But I think games run smoother with higher fps, that’s my schizo theory
well then I guess we're all just schizophrenic.

>>715335968
I've been baited you win

That or it's just Laptops being included.

>>715336531
Laptops are counted.

>>715336096
>doesn't understand that upscaling 1080p to 4k and running native 4k are the same fps
retard

>>715336221
So is base ps5 (the tourist)

>>715327912
This.
I have never had a Ouija board in my house, and I NEVER WILL. There are just some things you should never mess with.

there are 4k screens for 200 bucks, you have no excuse

>>715336221
>ps5 is actually 8k
You sure?

>>715334181
my own comparison i put together to call out coping poorfags

Well I don't allow the survey to poll my system so i'm keeping those 4k numbers low on purpose.

>>715328035
I bought a 4k monitor 10 years ago when I had a 3060 video card and played PS4 games with DLSS on it just fine. In my personal experience, you have to be retarded to still be sitting on 1080p

>>715336915
arrr rook the same

>>715336901
So the average PC would run at at like 420p, damn lmao

>laptops count
>chinese count

Come on.

>>715336915
you just smudged the images

>>715336941
>4k
rookie numbers kid

>>715336901
what baffle me is how they just don't slow down his animation when he is in waters. Tomb Raider did that.

>>715337042
nope, took screenshots of Valentine at 4k, 1440p, 1080p and 720p and then zoomed in on specific areas of the screenshot at each resolution for my comparison images.

>>715327868 (OP)
What is the problem, exactly?
This obsession with resolution is embarrassing. Want a life hack? Just use smaller displays and you won't need a higher resolution. Want a crisp monitor but only have GPU for 1080p? Use a 15.6 in 1080p monitor (yes, they exist). Do you want a TV? Get a 32 in 1080p panel. You don't actually need muh 4K muh 5K muh 8K for a sharp image, it all depends on size.

And of course this is just if you want a crisp image. Reality is a lot of people are fine with lower pixel densities. The pixel density of a 23.6 in 1080p monitor (the standard monitor) is fine and most people don't need more than that, actually.

>>715337050
no u

If you play at 1080p you might as well go full retard and use a ball mouse.

>>715337148
based

the vast majory of laptops are at 1080p.
If you count them, of course, this % will happen.

>>715327868 (OP)
A Switch 2 destroy your PC in 4K gaming.
Imagine being retarded enough to buy a PC these days.

>>715337103
>alleged "1440p" has chunkier aliasing than 1080p

Uhh, something is afoot methinks *holds up spork*

>>715337135
>to see high detail on small elements
>use a tiny monitor

lol You don't seem to understand that when a CRT is showing a film or a video game at 480p, the elements, everything the game or whatever is, is locked at that resolution and that it is impossible to have definition at its native level IF it's actually higher than 480p.

To put another way, yes, it'll seem sharper overall on a smaller monitor, but you will never get the benefit of detail or even see real detail.

I simply don't care about resolution that much. What I have is good enough, and I won't be upsold on a needless upgrade.

>>715337184
I don't miss fucking up cleaning mice and having to boil new eggs just the right amount to get the perfect new mouse yolk.

>>715337453
I felt the same before I got a huge TV, then I realized that resolution is extremely important. No one wants to play or watch a fuzzy mess.

God, it's so sharp.

>>715337435
Idk man the resolutions at their optimal sizes look exactly the same to me, just one is on a smaller screen and the other is on a bigger screen
the crispness feels exactly the same

Resolution isn't the defining aspect of MUH GRAPHIX. I have a 19 inch CCFL backlight TN panel glossy HP monitor from 2007, it does 1440x900p at 80hz and games look great on it and it has better motion clarity than my 165hz """fast""" 1440p LG LED VA panel monitor. Real niggas know to use CRT/OLED/Plasma for single player games and use old high refresh TN/CRT for competative multiplayer. Every other aspect of 90% of modern 4K displays besides raw pixel count are worse than CCFL backlit LCD TN's from 20 years ago.

>>715337320
dunno why you choose not to believe me. here's the youtube upload i did that compares all the different screenshots. 4k deniers in fucking SHAMBLES >>715337320
don't know why you choose not to believe me. here is a link to the video i uploaded on youtube. all 4k deniers can eat fucking shit https://youtu.be/jmLECz7CjaM?si=uCYTWTwU6eocX5x4

>>715327868 (OP)
27-inch monitor with 1080p resolution is a bad idea.

>>715337568
If the resolution is the same, the screen won't matter unless it can't display it.
Take a sitcom from the 70s, probably taped on video and not filmed (yuck) and it looks horrific on a large screen, but hit that guide button and the preview of the show looks super sharp on that small screen withing your screen. Right? See what I mean now? That's why resolution is important.
But for ancient video games? I'd say no.

2019 felt like the last year that had games worth playing. There's literally no reason to ever upgrade.

>>715336340
>projecting that hard
lmao

>>715337691
>I have a 19 inch CCFL backlight TN panel glossy HP monitor from 2007, it does 1440x900p at 80hz

>>715337732
There's a small handful of newish games that I want and then I'm done. Video games for me is basically 1962-1998 with some rare exceptions leading into the current day.
No more game consoles shall I buy. It's all going to be emulated or played on the hardware I own, or bust.

>>715337709
No, the screen is the most important thing though?
A native 1080p display is going to be better at displaying 1080p than a native 1440p display.
And a 15.6 in 1080p monitor is going to look much sharper than a 23.6 in 1080p monitor.

>>715334093
>ENHANCE

>>715337779
don't look at me like that, lil bitch

>>715337850
>No, the screen is the most important thing though?

Yes and no. Yes because of what you just explained, but even the best monitor won't help bad authoring.

>And a 15.6 in 1080p monitor is going to look much sharper than a 23.6 in 1080p monitor.

No, absolutely not.

How bad is the Windows scaling for 4k ?

I don't feel like upgrading when new games ask for better hardware to look exactly the same as slightly older games

>>715337949
I have it at 200% and it works fine, everything's readable. Some older programs have a ribbon that doesn't scale, but that's about it.

>>715337937
>>And a 15.6 in 1080p monitor is going to look much sharper than a 23.6 in 1080p monitor.
>No, absolutely not.

*unless the source is asstastical, then yes it'd "help" a bit.

>>715337937
>No, absolutely not.
Are you familiar with the concept of "ppi"?

32" 4k monitor still has 50% higher pixel density than 24" 1080p. If you have used a 4k monitor before you know what a joke resolution 1080p is. Even phones have more pixels in a 5-6" screen than a 1080p monitor.

>>715338012
I was just mentioning that, anon, but you don't seem to acknowledge that putting crappy imagery into a smaller viewing area to make it look crisper is essentially a trick due to our eyes limitations.

>>715337949
Works decently enough but I just have it at 100% regardless unless I'm doing small text work for hours on end.

>>715338078
Whether imagery is "crappy" or not is entirely dependent on human perception.

I have a 1440p and a 4k monitor side by side and the difference is pretty noticeable, I can just look at the windows background and see a lot more detail at 4K and my eyes are not trying to re-focus.

>screen is literally smaller than a game boy screen
>"Look, anon, it's sharper!"
>*can't see any fine details*
>*but it's "sharper"*

>>715328108
1440p 120hz master race.

>>715338123
See: >>715338151


Sorry, board, but using video games to explain this is tew hoard, so ever see Return of the Jedi?
OK if you got a bad copy, you can put that on a smaller screen, but you will never see the technicians welding on the Death Star in the beginning.

>>715338151
What "fine details"?
Explain
Especially in a video game. What fine details can't you see on say, a 15.6 in 1080p monitor. It is simply disingenuous to compare it to a gameboy screen.
Games are already gigadetailed (to their detriment, in a way - games are cluttermaxxing now), I really don't see what you could possibly be complaining about. Can't see... what, exactly?

>>715332016
Honestly that is really neat. Imagine it looking like some Frutiger Aero or Vaporwave aesthetic.

>>715338296
With video games, especially earlier ones like Super Mario Bros (1985) they function visually like cartoons. There's only just so much information, and I think you know that.
So my point is generally reserved to newer fare that can benefit from the higher resolutions.

>>715333334
>TAA is no longer an issue
Because TAA at 4K just makes it look like a clean 1080p image....

>>715330519
I have a 4070 Super paired with a 1080p monitor set to 60hz
So what

If at least you were talking about something like Flight Simulator or Doom Dark Ages, I would get it. But you get pent up about Borderlands 4 lmao

>>715338771
there's no poin posting that picture, I can't see them on my 1080p panel

>>715338861
Set the zoom to 100%.

>>715338926
okay but I'm not seeing anything new

>>715339012
All of the pores are new. You would never see them at 1080p.

>>715339032
I can still see them in the fullscreen picture...
I guess you mean they don't render at 1080p? Even then you could use supersampling to force them on screen on a lower resolution display. Although... what's the point? I really don't think most people care about "the pores on some random creature" when they are running around shooting guns at them

4k was made for 3D isometric game

>>715332016
It almost seems like AI. In fact I'm not so sure

>>715327868 (OP)
Gaming has already reached its graphic peak with the PS4, there is no need to improve further.

>>715339152
4k is for cinematic "games". In motion you're gonna get smeared dogshit with current monitor tech anyway regardless of resolution.

>>715327868 (OP)
Because to people who don't really care all that much 1080p is fine. A xx60 card of the last 3 generations is absolutely enough to get solid 60 at 1080 in most recent releases. But to jump to 1440p you already need an xx80 card which is like 3 times the price.

>>715327995
you can get a good 4K 60fps monitor for around $150, but the cost to run games at 4K @ 60fps is another story

>>715335120
I live in the first world and I still do this regardless of the salary I get. It's a lifestyle.

I'm still using a GTX 1070 8GB. How fucked am I?

>>715334514
>old hardware exists reee
Only 5% of consoles can run that game. What's your point?

>>715331953
Pixel density and distance. 4K is good on big screens

>>715327995
>>715327868 (OP)
That's retarded jurno framing. 4k and 1440p are steadily increasing each month.

>>715328108
Capping Them softly

>>715337029
Given the praise for 1080p we can logically deduce anons are mostly chinese laptop users.

>>715340830
Based on that sitting about 70-80cm from a 32" 4k screen 4k is worth it. That sounds entirely reasonable for a desktop setup.

1080p just werkz and anything else is just cope or marketing shills trying to justify their jobs

>>715327868 (OP)
>fakes 4k
>fakes 120 fps
>has the gall to cry about people who prefer real 1080p and real 120 fps

>>715327995
4k monitors have gone cheaper but PC rigs running 4k resolution with consistent framerates have not.

>>715342330
This except 1366x768.

>>715327868 (OP)
What a shock! Because most PC gamers played on a 24-32: monitor and not in the living room with a 42-55" TV like a console pleb

>>715342419
>24-32
More on the 24 side than 32 that is for sure.

>>715337746
>you can't run 4k
>"I can"
>NUH UH
You post this shit every time. YOU can't run 4k because you're on a phone. Plenty of people can.

>>715327868 (OP)
I have enough cash to buy a 5090 4k set up but there hasn't been a new game I want to play for a decade. So i'll keep playing L4D2 thanks.

Because actually decent 4K monitors are incredibly expensive.
You can get cheap 4K but it always comes with some downsides - often multiple ones

>see 4K monitor on sale for around 200 bucks
>60 hz max
>bad IPS panel with huge delays

If you want 4K as well as low delays, good image quality and support for high framerates you look at triple that price easily. PC gamers value framerate over everything else so a 1080p 200+ hz monitor with good enough image quality will always be more appealing than a bad 4K screen

>>715327995
>>715328131
it's so obvious that it shouldn't be mentioned. Without upscaling shit you won't be able to run anything made in the last 5 years without a $1000 card and it will last you a year or two before you have to upgrade again.

Asians really do have shit eyesight so 1080p should be good enough for them.

>>715340830
>sit a foot and a half from my monitor
>apparently i need 8K
ok man

>Never gave up my VGA Square Monitor.
Feels good.

>>715331195
I think I paid $200 for a 27" fancy 1080p Samsung monitor that did 75hz but I always kept it at 60. That was like 12 years ago. Current monitor prices are crazy.

>>715331359
Just use your TV with an HDMI or Display port cable. Never go back.

>>715340107
Same, from Switzerland, save up 5 figures after taxes, get paid dividends from my investments that yearly is the yearly salary of your average Euro country, still never buy games or consoles unless it is really required to.
Poorfags in this thread larping as richfags by being pathetic consoooooomers, then you have actual richfags that got there by knowing how to deal with money.

>>715342927
Crazy good if you're doing 1080p. I was able to buy 180hz 1080p panels at sub $100 each, new.

Insanity.

>>715327868 (OP)
Thank UE5 and devs not caring about optimization. I play older games at 4k at on my tv, but newer scale down to 1440p or 1080p because I prefer higher framerates and I won't give goyvidia every price they demand for gpu.

1680x1050chad here

>>715340852
By such small numbers they might as well be rounding errors.

>>715333069
You forgot the subway surfers gameplay in the corner too

>>715333706
same, I'm stuck with office gear from 15 years ago

>>715327868 (OP)
GPU prices.

>>715343182
damn PC 10 years behind console

>>715327868 (OP)
Bear in mind this survey includes Russia, China, Mexico, etc. Show the results for first-world countries only.

>>715343034
>see console
>ask myself if i will realistically change my habits to play a new console
>nope, dont buy it
>see forums
>browse for solutions for launching or guides and never interact with the community unless its friends that play together
>try out f2p
>if i dont like the business model then i drop it
i still play old games btw even with the new rig

1080p the once and forever king
Big enough to side by side windows to multitask
Small enough to flick edge to edge at reasonable DPI (1600)
Also doesn't look too stupid in 4:3 for authentic old gaming

>>715327868 (OP)

Games nowadays are so badly optimized that to maintain a minimum framerate you need to scale down resolution to 2K or FHD, not surprise

>>715330102
>ultrawide
>let me just give my gpu more pixels to render, decreasing performance by a third without improving image quality at all

>>715343182
here's an except from the 2015 hardware survey. Steam's monthly active users more than DOUBLED since 2015. It was 50 million in 2015 and now it's 130 million. 1440p rose by about 3.5%, and 1080p rose by 20%.

>>715343182
>over 1%
>rounding error
you don't realize how much this is do you. That's like 1/4 of all linux users.

>>715343487
which ones?

>run 4k game
>fans go WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>electricity bill goes up
>game barely looks different
All for a toy.

>>715330449
I have two laptops, 15 and 17 inch, both 1440p. I could definitely notice a distinct reduction in sharpness going from the 15" to the 17". It wasn't major but was noticeable. So at 27" you would definitely stand to benefit from a higher resolution than 1440p.

>>715343543
It's actually .01%. Which if they were all linux users would be a whopping __355 users.

>>715343641
>buy PC
>electricity goes up
>could just buy a console.
all for a toy

>>715343665
consoles gay doe

>>715343808
they look better than your PC running a 1080p screen doe

delicious 4k

>>715327868 (OP)
pc vegans are so fucking pathetic. they're holding back gaming.

>>715343836
>they look better
what a gae thing to say

>>715344178
>words of truth are gay
Your boyfriend is gay

>>715327868 (OP)
>GO...I MEAN BOY YOU NEED 4K SCREEN
>PLEASE IGNORE THAT $1500k GPU CAN'T RUN GAMES 60FPS AT 720p NATIVE

>>715327912
1080p 24 fps, as God intended

>>715344254
>choose your platform by the looks and not the hardware
yeah that's gae + luddite

>>715328108
1440pchads, recommend me a good monitor I can get to leave my 1080p shackles behind

4k (it has to be more than 30 zoll comon bros don't fall for high dpi monitors they will tire your eyes @ 100% scale) monitors are so good for doujin viewing when you have monitor arms for the vertical view!

>>715327868 (OP)
>game requires 4k monitor to run
Fixed this for you

I was playing in 720p for a time too long I care to admit to.

>>715344387
I don't like in a place where I have to drink dirty water so can afford both. How about you?

>>715344479
>so can afford both
oh, the luddite gambit, very nice

>>715327868 (OP)
FUCKING POORS.

4k or nothing, 1440p is the definition of a cuck resolution. If you're on 1080p right now, genuinely go for it and just set your resolution back to 1080p for games that you can't handle. It's amazing for text clarity and everything non-gaming OR gaming on games that are actually good that even a 3060ti can run (everything made before about 2022)

>>715344518
is the water cloudy and sour where you live?

>>715327868 (OP)
>just quadruple your GPU power draw bro it's totally worth it
>also double it again for 120 fps
>and then use DLSS and frame gen
no I don't think I will. native 1080p 60fps works

>>715344660
what, you want some? just go outside, consolejeet

>>715344806
>acts third world
>gets offended by it
>calls others third world
that isn't how it works.

>>715343501
if you play isometric games on ultrawide you're a god actually

>>715344646
4k is shit on 27 inch screens when on desktop. It breaks many apps and everything like text looks tiny.

>>715328035
The 4k display will still show you all the pixels.

1080p DLSS upscaled to 4k
vs
1080p native

>>715344868
>N-NOOO MAI CONSOLE IS BUTIFUL YOU BLOODY BENCHOD YOU FUCKING YOU SAAR IS A JEET
>>gets offended by it
lmao

>>715345050
funny how the biggest insult you have is to say to others that they come from your home country

>>715328108
ultrawide 1440p is peak comfy

>>715328108
Fellow optimal high FPS while sharp image chad. Laugh at the blurry 1080p and low af 60fps below 4k copers

>>715345101
funny how you still trying maneuver into >no u, when anybody can see who got his retarded ass blasted and started to look for jeets

>>715345274
>you're a jeet
>with better hardware
explain how that works?

>>715345326
what better hardware lmao? the console?

>>715343836
No they aren’t, faggot
Modern consoles look like shit

>>715344479
Esl retard

>spend money on rig
>game at 4k, rig lasts a year before you need to update

>game at 1080p, rig lasts 5+ years

hmmmm.....

>>715327868 (OP)
4k tech ain't here yet. When a 60 tier gpu can comfortably run all games in 4k, that will be when 4k tech has finally arrived. Hell, 60 tier gpus can't even run all games in 14440p yet, actually. And not to forget, the consoles don't even render their games in 1080p, they literally render the games at 900p, or something like that. It's clear to me that the industry wayyy jumped the gun on that whole 4k tech, because it will take a long time, before that becomes the standard. It might even take another ten-fifteen years. Who knows, really?

>>715327868 (OP)
I honestly thought games were better when they weren't trying to be movies, and gameplay was a higher priority than narrative or aesthetics, and aesthetics weren't taken so fucking seriously and everything needed to be realistic
If the aforementioned crap is optional, and not a norm, that's different
I hope shit goes back to at least the 360 days, but immersionfags and normies will soil themselves about how much of a StEp BaCk it would be

>>715345509
>say have both
>you must only have a console
are you a little slow?

>>715345584
looks better than any PC which has to run 1080p

>>715327868 (OP)
It's just not worth the performance drop and the energy cost.
Many retards here call artchads "graphicsfags" when they call a game with no artistic effort ugly. They don't understand what graphicsfaggotry is. 4k is graphicsfaggotry.

>>715333069
>1440p for work and general usage as I hate using two monitors
>windowed 1080p for games so I get maximal performance without the need for imaginary frames

>>715327868 (OP)
the only use case for 4k is having 4 monitors for cheap
if you want gamers to move on, give them CRTs. I'm sure you can improve them to make them lead-free

>>715345820
>games were better when they weren't trying to be movies, and gameplay was a higher priority than narrative or aesthetics, and aesthetics weren't taken so fucking seriously and everything needed to be realistic
>Go back to the 360
t. zoomer who wasn't born when the 360 was current.

>>715345932
>you just don't understand
>only I understand
lol

>>715345932
I agree, I think. I believe MANY PS2 and PS3 games looked better simply because they went with a unique style, or just really took the time
These days most are convinced that realistic is as good as it gets, so that's what's so overly used
I'd be perfectly content if games moving forward had PS3 visuals (although PS2 was fine as well), and with PS2 attitude, variety, and gameplay

I found a bigger improvement in going from 60 hz to 120 hz than from 1080p to 1440p.

>>715346071
It may not have been as visually impressive, but it was the last gen where Dev's gave a fuck about gamers, and wasn't chasing trends and that juicy goldmine of targeted focus group lowest common denominator fodder

>>715335267
Your heterosexuality status?

>>715346332
animals

>>715346267
>The brown n bloom Cod of Duty cline era was original
Sure it was zoomzoom. How does nostalgia for something before you where born even work?

>>715336915
>take 720p image
>stretch it to 4K proportions
>guys look how blurry it is
Actual case of mental retardation?

There are only three resolutions that matter;
>320x200
>640x480
>3840x2160

>>715345863
>starting to lose
>a-ack-shuly i have both!
yeah sure you console cattle always use the same tactics

>>715338012
yeah like when your're mom show me her nipple and my peepee become harden

>>715328108
I'm using 1440p, 27" right now, and I've gotta say, I think I might upgrade to 4K 27 or 32 inch in the future. The reason is because it's not that sharp. I can see the pixels around the letters of the words I'm typing right now. Comparing it to my phone, iPhone 13 Pro Max, it has 458 ppi. Everything is so sharp on my phone compared to my monitor, which has 108 ppi. I wonder at what PPI value do things and text become so sharp, that you can't see the pixels on the edges?

There's only a few cards that can get 144hz at 4k for recent games (as long as it's not UE5slop) which are very expensive to get so I'm not surprised people used to high refresh rates stick to 1080p and 1440p

>>715346476
hot

>>715346624
>yes goy consume, consuuuuuuuuume!
only browns consume

>>715347024
how does one consume 320x200 in the year of our lord 2025?

I mean ngreedia and ayyemde still charging ridiculous $250 and more for basic 8gb cards that are barely enough for 1080p medium in 2025...

>>715327868 (OP)
>every single new game is some bulrry TAA mess with lots of fog
What's the point of 4k then?

>>715328108
I've been on 1440p for like 10 years desu it's kind of baffling that broke niggas who were in diapers when 1080p was the new hotness are still on the fence about upgrading

>>715327868 (OP)
I bought the RTX3090 when it was top of the line because my work required it, and it just isn't powerful enough for my 1440p monitor, let alone 4K.

>>715347152
TAA was designed with high resolution in mind. |The ghosting in motion is independent of resolution but the blur is massively reduced as resolution climbs.

4/60fps or 1440p/120fps?

>>715347245
Depends if LCD (especially VA), MiniLED or OLED.

Nvidia stans still haven't been able to respond to this.

>>715328035
not all games are unoptimized AAAA benchmarkslop

>>715327868 (OP)
4k is useless. Most people on /v/ are playing gacha games and cooming to anime porn. You don't need anything except the bare minimum

>>715347325
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Rmv2rEHc0

>23" 1080p monitor
>1660 super
I still have yet to play a game I can't get 60fps+ in. 4kfags, your response?

>>715347164
I remember getting my first 1080p pc in 2010, or something. I gamed a lot then. I don't game so much now, though. Pretty hard to justify getting a 5080-5090 rig when i can easily go months without playing anything.

>>715347469
So you don't play new games. What about people who you know, do it?

>>715347245
You can't even get (consistent) 1440/60 with a 5060 in some brand new games...

>>715327868 (OP)
1080p is pathetic. Once you go up you don't go down. Sure, I've heard some people move back to 1440p from 4K, but you never go back to shitty 1080p.

>>715347567
Yes, I won't buy 60 ever. 70 is bare minimum.

>>715347469
They're too busy playing both old and new games in higher resolutions with even higher framerates to respond

The idiots here with arguments like:
>"show me a 1080p image that's better than a 4K image",
holy shit, the retardadtion is real.
The point is that a monitor that is truly suitable for video games and is 1080p will cost a fraction of the price of a monitor that is truly suitable for 4K gaming. You can spend, I don't know, $150 and get a monitor that will deliver a decent end result, with high refresh rates, low pixel persistence on the screen, decent image quality, good factory calibration, low lag, etc., but if you want exactly the same specs, but now in 4K, that $150 is now $700 or some shit.
4K is luxury. People thought that 1080p would naturally be abandoned for higher resolutions, but the reality is proving quite different. Prices haven't fallen enough to justify a total transition, and people end up making smarter use of their money, much to the chagrin of lobbyists.

4k is a waste of time
>oooh look at that high resolution concrete! sugoi!!!

8k monitors will be awesome when they finally become viable
>can downscale to 1080p, 1440p, and 2160p without blur

>>715347921
4k has an extremely important use case: cheap bezel-less 4x monitor setup. unfortunately, it's not relevant to vidya

>>715346984
With nvidia becoming an AI company the next gen would be a repeat of the current one so waitfags are still fucked

I upgraded to 4k from 1440p, sticking to 27", and have MiniLED. It's a massive difference and I could never go back.
Then again I have a custom water blocked 5090 and anything less would be a waste of time.

>>715347325
>Nvidia stans
>Radeon card

>>715348028
Sony already quit the 8k TV market.

>>715348175
>Then again I have a custom water blocked 5090 and anything less would be a waste of time.
It depends.
Ironically, 4K is more useful for everything other than video games. For digital art, for working with Excel or Word, for watching TV shows and movies, for viewing fucking art on the Internet, any of these things will be superior in 4K even if you have a modest computer.
The irony is that the fact that Steam users aren't adopting it shows that they really care about games, because it's only in games that the 4K experience really breaks down unless you have a NASA computer.

>>715327868 (OP)
Probably because game devs are not optimizing their shit anymore and it's getting too fucking expensive to keep buying top of the line cards just to be able to run these games reasonably at that resolution.

>>715347653
You just say that because nvidia has succeeded in brainwashing you. You know damn well that 60 was always the true midrange standard before, but now it's 70? Bullshit, i say. Before, it was 50>60>70>80. The 80 tier was the absolute beast-tier that almost no one ever bought. Now the 90 tier is the new beast tier that almost no one buys. The simple truth is that nvidia has just rebranded the titan gpu to be the 90 gpu. And in doing so, invented a whole new standard. Now, all of a sudden, the 60 tier is pure dogshit, while it was very respectable before. Bullshit, i say. I will not be brainwashed.

>>715345046
does DLSS turn into blurry garbage when you turn the camera like TAA does?

>>715348028
Not gonna happen until 30-40 years from now. And no, upscaling doesn't count. Neither do fake frames.

>>715349216
Nanoled might make 8k more feasible.

>>715327868 (OP)
Good 4k is a retarded meme and all it's doing it bloating costs, dev time, and performance issues for minimal gains.

Now if only we could put a bullet in raytracing we'd be set.

>>715349293
Why?

>>715342534
>there hasn't been a new game I want to play for a decade. So i'll keep playing L4D2 thanks.

Same. L4D2 is the only game I play

>>715349375
It's a simpler type of display. They just need to find ways to print smaller quantum dots.

>>715349323
It's not doing any of that. You have funny ideas.

>Still using 1024x768
Oh yeah, its gaming time.

>>715342759
Why do you think they're squinting all the time?

>>715327868 (OP)
Theres no point in a 4K monitor because youd need a very large screen to even get anything out of it and if its on your desk you are going to be sitting so close to the screen it will be silly. Also expensive.
1440p is fine but I still see no reason to upgrade from 1080p 144hz

>>715327868 (OP)
I went from 4:3 to 16:10 to 21:9.

I will probably never play at 16:9.

>be me about ten years ago
>considering taking the leap to 4k
>go to store, check the 4k monitors they have on display
>be utterly underwhelmed
>stick at 1080p

And that's the end of that.
Hardware companies have an incentive to upsell you.
Computer hardware media have an incentive to keep you excited in new hardware.
None of them are going to tell you the truth, which is this shit has peaked and heavy diminishing returns set in.
You do not need a really high resolution or refresh rate. It's a mixture of marketing and autism

>>715348028
PC players will be playing at 8k around 2055 since they still cant even do 1440p

>>715347245
120 is night and day
60 is ok but still feels slow as fuck in shooting games and roguelikes
If I’m playing a card game or something I don’t give a fuck

>>715347245
I haven't played many games at 144hz but from what I've seen it's totally unnecessary but I don't play shooters, maybe it's more interesting there.
I have played at 75fps for a bunch of games though and I prefer that over 60 so it is nice going upwards but there's just this diminishing returns that isn't worth my fan going vrrrrrr.

>>715348028
Not even tv normies are buying the 8k meme. The fuck are they gonna watch on it? Are they gonna roll out fake frames for TVs too?

>>715328108
mein neger

>>715347579
>posts 1080x1920 picture

>>715336518
>10gb
Not bad, I’m planning on getting a wind force with 12 gb eventually. It’s like 400 bucks. I can’t stand 8gb anymore and it makes me sneed and seethe.

>>715328108
A man of culture and supreme taste, I see.

>>715350604
You need a 4K monitor to see it fully. I'm Lmaoing at your attempt.

>mfw have to buy a whole new GPU to go above 1080p because novidya deliberately limited it
>it'll cost an arm and a leg because they can charge that much because fuck you lmao loser consumer stop being poor

>>715348028
Lol
At 32 in and a normal monitor viewing distance most people would have trouble distinguishing 8K from 4K. Reality is monitors with a higher resolution than 4K only make sense for professionals working at those resolutions.

There literally is no point going above a 23in 1080p screen. You're sacrificing performance just to sit farther away from your monitor or risk eye damage if you actually sit the same way

I need 4k because reasons.

>>715350760
Debunked. Image can be viewed fully on a 1920x1080 display by simply rotating it

>>715327868 (OP)
1440p is fine

>1080p
>60fps

You literally don't need more.

>>715350781
Something around what we could dub 6k would completely eliminate aliasing at said screen size and viewing distance.

>>715350820
That's called editing dumbass. Yeah, you can shrink it too if you are so pedantic.

>>715350806
Same my based 4K bro.

The pr0ns and other stuff is best on it.

>>715350861
Most people already don't notice aliasing on a 32 in 4K panel. I certainly don't. I guess if your eyesight is perfect you might

>>715328108
Is there any reason to play games above 1440p? 4K just feels like its a very minor visual gain that eats up the performance

>>715350959
You don't see it because you are applying TAA.

Kind of off topic, but not sure where else to ask
is upscaling basically just a new form of anti-aliasing? I remember FSR having dogshit ghosting issues, but I hear modern FSR and DLSS are much better now

>>715348624
Oh it's amazing for the desktop too. I use 100% scaling so as not to sacrifice any of the added space that comes with the resolution. It's been super beneficial for various programs and browsing the web.
But I think you're in denial if you think it doesn't matter for gaming. Especially with ray tracing where more rays vastly helps improve the quality of various effects such as shadows. It's just stupid expensive. With multi frame gen and transformer DLSS you can easily max out a 240hz 4k monitor on a 5090 even with everything dialed up. Also it's great for old games where I can even enable 4xDSR and play at 8k no problem. I'd love to post 8k screenshots but we're still stuck at 4MB and even with jpg it's still rough trying to fit all those pixels in that size window.

>>715328108
But that's not 1080p.

>>715351152
DSR + DLSS is the current best "anti-aliasing" in the age of TAA, yes.

It's called Ubersampling.
Witcher 2 had it

>>715327868 (OP)
The typical PC monitors, taking into account the size and viewing distance:
>~24 in 1080p
Provides an okay pixel density. Serves as the market's low end.
>~27 in 1440p
Provides a very good pixel density. Serves as the market's mid range offering.
>~32 in 2160p
Provides an excellent pixel density. Serves as the market's high end.

For 1080p to go away, a new resolution must take the place of 4K as high end in the market. And that's not happening since 5K and 8K don't provide enough of a meaningful difference at that size, and by moving to a larger size you increase viewing distance meaning 4K is still more than crisp enough.

>>715351339
It's not even about the resolution. 24" is just optimal for desktop. 27" for more expensive setups with proper bigger desk. And 32" is just the "well I don't care that it makes me play like shit, I just want bigger".

>>715327868 (OP)
Pretty sure it's less rejecting and more can't afford. Especially due to nonsense like crypto mining and the AI bubble. If you want 4k and you want high quality graphics settings, you're going to pay out the nose. I think most people are settling for 1440 and high settings at most since that's way more affordable.

>>715351339
I play on 27" in 1440p for years, thinking of bumping up to a 32" 2160p when I build a new PC, is it a worthwhile bump in quality? assuming I'm not hurting for cash

>>715327868 (OP)
>1080@60
it just works

>>715351582
It is an upgrade, but nowhere near what my 24" 1080 to 32" 4K was.

>>715327868 (OP)
4K is a waste of rendering when 1080p is good enough even sitting up close on a giant monitor.

>>715351696
1080p sucks because deferred rendering makes everything look blurry at low rest. Also DLSS works better at higher res.

It's been obsolete ever since 1440p became common place.

>>715351803
You get like 15% more PPI on 1440p 27 vs 1080p 24, it's not thaaat big of a deal if both monitors are equal in all other aspects.

ouch

>>715351281
Ubersampling was downsampling.

>>715329160
>until cards are able to power native games at 60FPS without AI bullshit on that resolution.
It already happened, then it stopped being the case simultaneously for every studio for (((some reason))). Oh well, better buy another gimped Nvidia card at a premium, that'll change things.

>>715351948
I downsampled your mom last night

I'm still using 1080p monitors with 5070 ti...
I just need to find a good deal for a decent cheap 1440p monitor, it will happen any day now, I swear.

>>715351887
Uru > riven

>>715351984
>in Riven, you WALK!!!!
no shit retard, it's a Myst like.

>>715352039
lol?

>3440x1440
I do not engage with low resolution peasants.

>>715352102
I'm curious as to why you would save that screenshot from here. I know you didn't take it.

>>715352045
In 4K you walk and post pictures.

>>715352321
AAAAAAAHHHHH I'M GOING BLIND THE RESOLUTION THE RESOLUTION OOOOOOOAAAAAAHHHH
@MODS @FBI @NINTENDO

>>715352321
I have seen enough pixels to tell that these pixels are fake.

>>715339175
pretty much

>>715342285
you need to factor in that you usually want to be at a distance where you have the whole monitor in your field of view so you don't need to move your head. Around 80cm is the recommended distance for 27" but for 32" it's more.

>>715351872
Once I tried 27" 1440p at work, I didn't want to go back to 24".

>>715329160
I can easily. Just not AAA games with forced ray tracing, which are designed with DLSS/FSR upscaling as a requirement. I have nothing against DLSS personally, looks very sharp with a 4K monitor.
Having a 4K/VR capable PC is great and very much worth it.

>>715352689
I have tried it like 4 times and always went back. My longest trying out period was 3 months. Every time I went back I would become faster in games and even on desktop.

>>715339175
That's way too wide, how do you tolerate that?

>>715353227
Why is he wearing a hat indoors?

>>715353467
He is a sinner.

>>715353483
I don't get it.

Meant to say 27inch monitor 240hz not 25, but it was only 100 dollars and came with the PeeSea

good