>make a prequel series to show how big boss became a villain
>he never actually does anything evil
bravo kojimba

well duh the point is to show HOW he became a villain, not see him twist his mustache

>>715401062 (OP)
V is literally a fakeout game. The next game would likely be set in the PAST with the real big boss.

fell for it again award

>>715401723
metal gear survive is the true missing stink

>>715401723
tbf this time it was 4th dimensional chess did u rike it

>>715401062 (OP)
>trailer for V makes it seem like he guns down a bunch of African children
>actually rescues every single one of them

>in MGS3 he loses all faith in governments and any allegiance to his country
>in Peace Walker he becomes philosophically committed to the idea of creating a nuclear armed country of mercenaries whose sole national interest is perpetuating warfare around the globe
>in MGSV he cynically uses one of his men as a decoy to build up his mercenary army and legend and fight cipher for him while he lays the foundation of his new country that army will one day inhabit
what the fuck did you expect him to do, execute a bunch of innocents for no reason and go "I AM NOW THE BAD GUY"?

>>715402137
The body double twist was dumb but the post-game tape between BB and Ocelot pretty much shows how paranoid and immoral he'd grown - he was fully prepared to throw an entire hospital of innocents to XOF as a smokescreen to cover himself

>>715402347
reference to kagemusha prease undastandu

>>715402137
Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude. He saw firsthand how corrupt governments are and he pretty much said fuck it screw these corrupt fucks and then Kojima wants to get you to somehow not relate to it. Wild.

>>715401062 (OP)
the point is that big boss isn't a villain, it's all morally grey and every is just fighting for their ideology

>>715401062 (OP)
MSGV:TPP does a great job of showing Big Boss being a villain, actually. He exiled Huey from Mother Base for crimes he didn't do.

>>715401062 (OP)
>Big Boss
>evil
Politics determine who you face on the battlefield. And politics are a living thing. They change along with the times. Yesterday's good might be tomorrow's evil

>>715402947
his crime was being a whiny bitch. and a cripple.

>>715402551
>Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude.
war profiteering, threatening the world with nuclear weapons, contributing to the proliferation of both amoral mercenary companies AND nuclear missile equipped robots and raising orphans as your next generation of recruits are generally bad things. Having good reasons to be that way don't make him not a villain, they just make him a cut above a puppy kicking moustache twirling cartoon character.

>>715402551
>Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude
turns out perpetuating wars is bad anon

>>715402947
Yeah but that was Venom, he wasn’t even the real Big Boss.

>>715403021
Thats what any logical person would do in the face of corrupt governments. Why would somebody sit on the sidelines and allow them to gain power? Those problems you listed are literally just what the other governments are going to do anyways. Laying your guns down isnt going to stop them as well. Very simple stuff

>>715402551
Big Boss's vision would have eventually lead to the same hellscape that MGS4 started in, only taking a different direction there instead.

>>715401062 (OP)
>plunges the world into hell because he misunderstood his mentor's words
He did everything wrong.

>>715403224
Big Boss was the one who cared the least about "muh boss's will", what bothered him was the way even the most virtuous soldiers are just used as disposable political tools by pieces of shit in expensive suits.

>>715403190
And the corrupt governments are going to do that anyways. That doesnt mean you just stop trying to fight them retard

>>715402551
>Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude.
He wasn't, originally until just the very end of MG1 and actually canonically during Metal Gear 2 at which point he's mostly just a merciless warlord completely disillusioned by life. Even if he's retaliating something clearly evil he has become just as much evil himself at that point because of how much he's been screwed over.
>Kojima wants to get you to somehow not relate to it
I think he rather wanted you to relate to it. The feelings that drive people to do bad or wrong things have valid motivations behind them even if the actions don't ultimately help.

>>715403153
Perhaps work behind the scenes, with a few trusted allies, to control the technology which makes armed conflict possible and prevent war from happening in the first place?

>>715403385
It's not like he was ever going to or even aiming to conquer the fucking united states and dismantle the patriots that had taken over, all he ever did was destabilize war torn countries even more and engage in nuclear terrorism.

>>715403385
BB wasn't fighting governments, he was just making more wars for the sake of it.

>>715401062 (OP)
You didn't need to. Everything you need to know about why Big Boss became a villain was told to you in MGS3. Every game after was unnecessary and only made the series and The Boss and Big Boss lesser. The how doesn't matter and isn't interesting except to edgelords who want a game that lets them carry out their schizo military war crime fantasies.

>>715401062 (OP)
POPS, PW, and V never should've happened. We got enough of foreshadowing at the end of MGS3 to see why he "turned bad"
>>715402551
>Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude.
>>715403153
>Thats what any logical person would do in the face of corrupt governments.
Have you considered raising orphans into child soldiers isn't "logical"?

>>715403956
No but its likely no worse than what corrupt governments do elsewhere. Big boss was just trying to fuck shit up so they wouldnt get any more power to further their corruption. its that simple. You guys are just coping

>>715404042
>realizing how stupid his position is, the newfag begins doubling down, in an attempt to insinuate he was only pretending to be retarded from the start

>>715404126
Im right and everybody knows it

>>715403956
If your goal is perpetuating war for generations, turning orphans into child soldiers, who end up killing other soldiers and creating more orphans to turn into child soldiers, is a feasible procedure. Moral or ethical, it certainly isn't, but it is logical.

>>715401723
I remember when people were hoping that V would have a secret 3rd act that would be downloaded after enough nukes were disarmed.

>>715404174
is ISIS justified in beheading random people because they're fighting western imperialism?

>>715402551
Literally play the first two games of the franchise? MG1 and MG2?
He was a straight up and simple bad guy

>>715401062 (OP)
The handshake refusal said everything.

>>715402116
>Boss, you killed a child...
>AMAZING. Mission complete

>>715404291
No but thats not what Big Boss did.

>>715401062 (OP)
Big Boss' reason for allowing Venom's creation is the exact same thing that radicalised him with contempt when the Boss was forced to be the USA's fallguy and erased from history.

>>715404042
>No but its likely no worse than what corrupt governments do elsewhere.
That doesn't make the shit BB does afterwards right.
>Big boss was just trying to fuck shit up so they wouldnt get any more power to further their corruption
He was also trying to create more prolonged wars just to placate soldiers who had nothing else better to do after combat, which is stupid. That's like someone getting out of prison and instead of being rehabilitated into a better person, they want to live in some anarchic land where crime is justified because that's all they know how to do.
>You guys are just coping
You're retarded and gay and wrong.
>>715404174
seething

>>715404359
that right there is why you're the best, boss. the one and only

>>715404410
>retard can't understand analogies regarding morality
lmao

>>715401723
What the fuck?

>>715404291
ISIS is a tool of western imperialism though, created, armed, and guided by the CIA and Mossad.

>>715404438
Well its either the corrupt fucks and big boss both stop or they both dont. You shouldnt lay down for the other side to win if theyre not going to stop either. Big boss witnessed how full of shit institutions of power are and so he said we're going to counter that. Stop being globohomo cattle retard.

>>715401723
To be honest, what would we consider the missing link? An actual game that connects to MG1 in a more direct form? We got the operation intrude N313 but I guess we should have had some of the bosses from MG1 appear in Phantom Pain?

>>715404535
See >>715404570

>>715404628
oh yeah we should have seen howard the duck with his power of having a machine gun

>>715402551
I'm too distant from the series to remember every faction's retconned motivations but big boss decided that
>soldiers need to live and fight for themselves
and that meant
>take over a large amount of territory and fill it entirely with mercenaries and nukes who will use their power for money
Just because the AI illuminati are more evil than mother base doesn't mean that mother base wasn't completely immoral.

>>715404583
Big Boss isn't fighting the corrupt fucks, he's just giving career soldiers something to do with their lives.
As a matter of fact his actions fuel the military industrial complex that props up those corrupt governments

>>715404583
>big boss both stop
He wasn't stopping shit by MG2. He was trying to isolate himself in his own war torn pseudo country, and it ultimately was a hellscape no person should live in.
>Stop being globohomo cattle retard
Says the ESL defending the stupid retcons of Hideo "Build Bridges Not Walls" Cuckjima lmao

Isn't it crazy that the franchise started in the 80s? There's some fucking boomers out there that grew up playing MG1 and then witnessed MGS1.

>>715401839
You'd have to be the Missing Link to like it

>>715402551
>Im still trying to figure out why Big Boss was even a bad dude
It was too late to retcon him being a generic bad guy from the original games so Kojima had to spend multiple games trying to flesh him out

>>715404356
>can still hear that shitty LBJ voice

>>715401062 (OP)
It's called propaganda
Big Boss was never evil, The Patriots just made him look the part

>but he sacrificed a whole hospital to escape!!
Wasn't his idea

>child soldiers!!!
given proper education and care in Diamond Dogs and were all having fun being kids doing kid things in Zanzibarland
The taunting at the end towards Snake was just to goad him into fighting

>>715404628
the first missing link is why the hero of mgs3 became an independent mercenary warlord.
the origins of this is very sloppily handled by Ops, and peace walker basically comes in with zero and big boss getting into a spat offscreen over les enfants. Snake gets an oil tanker thinking being a mercenary is cool and what the boss would want.
The 'missing' link V sort of tackled was MG1 and 2 both featuring big boss and a convuluted clone phantom plan was needed to explain that

>>715404628
You playing as Big Boss during the lead up to MG1
Game ends with an unwinnable battle against Snake
Rewritten so that you (Big Boss) don't know that Snake is coming

>>715401062 (OP)
>This game will show how Big Boss became the legendary soldier
>Play as the legend of the battlefield himself
>he never actually participates in any battles
>he's more of a spy than a soldier
>the most rewarded playstyle is the one where nobody witnesses his actions
What did Kojima mean by this?

Obviously Skull Face was an evil person because he had his goons rape prisoners, was experimenting with biological weapons by testing them on children and had XOF kills hundreds (thousands?) of innocents, but was he any less bad on the whole than what Big Boss turned into?

Kojima didn't do a "prequel series" but you are right. The point of V was that you play as the villain but instead you save starving African children the whole game

>>715405323
Yep. This was pretty much exactly what I was saying and these retards were misconstruing it

>>715405323
>given proper education and care in Diamond Dogs and were all having fun being kids doing kid things in Zanzibarland
So they could be canon fodder later. Try again.

>>715405493
Didn't he want to genocide America with proto-Foxdie because he was butthurt over Hungary being occupied by the Nazis and then the Soviets? Even more pathetic than Muh Boss

>>715401062 (OP)
It's not really even a prequel at this point since like 70% of the franchise is big boss' story. Konami restarting it with 3 seems like bad news for solid snake fans. If peace walker comes next, the series will run out of steam before they get around to remaking mgs 1, or even mg 1 and 2.

>>715405865
Yeah but isnt Big Boss technically the most relevant character in the whole franchise? Metal Gear Solid was the name but it kinda changed course starting with 2 lol

>>715405943
Of course he's the most relevant character in the whole franchise if every game you make after the second one is about him.

>>715405865
Are you familiar with BIG CHUNGUS?

>Get to the end of the Nuclear trailer
>Big Boss is being pushed by three of his own soldiers
>He pulls his pistol and executes two of them immediately
>Shoots the third in the head as he stumbles away
>Think to myself "Holy FUCK! He really is going Nuclear, I wonder what the context could be?!"
>mfw seeing the cutscene on release

>>715404356
YOU ARE ABOVE EVEN THE BOSS...
I HEREBY AWARD YOU THE TITLE OF...
BIG BOSS!

>>715405943
He was the main villain of MG1 and MG2 but the protagonist was always Solid Snake. Snake is the most relevant one, then Big Boss

>>715405860
He wanted to wipe out the english language and give everyone in the world recreational nuclear weapons because.. uh.. revenge?

>>715406528
Recreational nuclear weapons that he had a secret off switch for, via another strain of the parasites.

>>715405395
The ending of Phantom Pain should have been a timeskip where you fight Solid Snake from the perspective of BB in MG1.

>>715401062 (OP)
it perfectly illustrated why he became disillusioned with his country, and Peace Walker and TPP ruined it.

Anyone else remember the KojimaBro "leaks" for TPP in 2014 that were supposedly from a guy on the German localization staff?

Off the top of my head there was

>Chico was Quiet
>XOF were Cipher's paranormal specialist unit
>Skull Face was an occultist neo-Nazi on the surface, but was actually working with the remnants of the Russian philosophers. His ultimate aim was simply to steal the Legacy from Zero
>The Parasite Unit ("Those Who Don't Exist") were early versions of what Para-Medic would do to Grey Fox
>Mini-Mantis wasn't actually Mantis, but a partially reassembled Paz
>Diamond Dogs were to absorb XOF into "Outer Heaven" and would come into conflict with Roy Campbell's FOXHOUND in the last act of the game
>Flaming Volgin wasn't actually real, but given BB was gradually going insane during the course of the game, he would appear in a dynamic fashion akin to Nemesis
>Ishmael would occasionally offer advice over the radio over the course of the game, ultimately being a product of BB's brain damage and was meant to represent the lingering good he still had in him

>>715401062 (OP)
Biggest fucking plothole in the series is Big Boss returning to cypher after Ground Zeroes. why? Wasn't the point of buidling an independant military force to say fuck Zero? Why do they make a whole fucking deal about Zero being a faggot only for Big Boss to return to him and then he invades his own base.

>>715406874
wasn't he only like feigning allegiance or something?

>>715406848
My favorite
>Hayter was still in the game, was going to cameo as a young Solid Snake somewhere at the end of the game

>>715406874
>>715406971
Plus Skull Face was a rogue element within Cipher around the time GZ kicks off. Zero was too late to really do anything about him.

>>715407057
>??? (David Hayter)
>"Kept you waiting, huh?"

>casually reveals the biggest plot twist in Big Boss's saga in a goddamn radio conversation in the main menu
what the FUCK went so wrong bros

It's funny how /v/ hyped up TPP for fucking years and maintained it was going to completely redefine action games only for it to be an unfinished Jap Far Cry clone with a story that not only was dumbed, but was filled with retcons that actively hurt the older games.

>>715407129
I think it was assumed he'd be in some post credit radio call, perhaps the beginning of Operation Intrude N313, just to bring the games full circle.

>>715407182
Kojima apparently really took to heart all the normalfags hating on the series for having too many cutscenes (which it did) and then flew to the other extreme.

>>715406874
he could because he had venom. he could join Foxhound and act as an important ally to Cypher and the US all the whilst developing nukes in secret with the help of Venom in OH.
He did it to play both sides, you can see how well that went in MG1

>>715407278
it's just mgs4 that was completely retarded
it has like 12 solid hours of cutscenes and that's not counting drebin calling you to give you a ten minute dump of each boss' wikipedia page

>>715406874
It's pure and simple retcon.
Originally he was the commander of Foxhound, but also the leader of Outer Heaven, which at that time, nobody knew who was the leader. Then he is found out and defeated by Solid Snake. Then he reappears in MG2 in another location, guess what, much like Higgs from DS2, he returns as a cyborg, and he barely has a change in personality, he is still the same retard.
Everything after that is an attempt to whitewash his history.

>>715407182
>>715407278
It's funny too because if Skull Face's infamous jeep diatribe followed the MGS1-3 cutscene format of him just narrating over stock footage with Venom interjecting once or twice, no one would've really minded it.

>>715407387
I always thought those were stupid and then I played MGS1 and the bosses did those themselves, which makes a bit more sense but I guess "explain backstory before dying" is just a Japanese writing thing

>>715407387
>and that's not counting drebin calling you to give you a ten minute dump of each boss' wikipedia page
How did Drebin of all people know the specific impossible-to-know-unless-you-were-there details of each B&B member backstory? Did he ask them?

how the FUCK did Venom lose to a rookie solid snake, anyway? Venom can sprint at an olympic level indefinitely and has a robot arm that can summon lightning bolts on everyone within half a mile

>>715404628
Caveman metal gear game

>>715407521
>I guess "explain backstory before dying" is just a Japanese writing thing
I like it. It especially works for video-games. It's a nice little reminder that the boss NPC you just killed was still a human being. Nioh kinda does that too. Nothing too pretentious or intrusive, just adds another little layer of depth to a video-game

>>715404261
Wasn't that Shaka Zulu's thing?

>>715407547
Solid snake had all the dominant genes

>>715407541
He made it all up just to amuse himself, and Snake didn't bother calling BS.

>>715407547
Nigga was old. I mean honestly it's insane enough to think how Venom was in his fucking 50s during the Phantom Pain

>>715407660
sure but can't they like spread them out over the course of the game/show/movie/book/whatever or something

>>715407660
Funny you say that, Nioh's plot is pretty typical Sengoku anime fodder but then there's a few pieces of genuinely great, emotional writing in the spirit division movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ew-8H-trEiw

>>715407547
Because Solid is a genetic clone of Big Boss, not some hypnotized dupe?

>>715407547
And how did Solidus, a perfect clone of the greatest soldier of the modern era decked out in a high-tech mech suit, lose to Raiden? These plots don't really work if you put them under a microscope lad.

>>715407547
Prime age Solid Snake was unironically the biggest badass in the entire series unless you count all the crazy bullshit in Revengeance as being canon.

>>715407925
He tempted fate by raising the perfect killing machine and then expecting to not be killed by him

>>715407547
My headcanon is that Venom was roided up after he escaped the hospital. Age and cutting back on the drugs allowed a younger Solid Snake to match or exceed him.

>>715407925
And how did no one notice that the fucking President of the United States was a perfect clone of the most notorious terrorist to ever live? Erm, that's gonna get a CinemaSins ding for me, bud!

>>715407925
>And how did Solidus, a perfect clone of the greatest soldier of the modern era decked out in a high-tech mech suit, lose to Raiden?
Because Solidus trained Raiden. Thematically, it's meant to be a "student usurps the master" fight. He also had those Patriot nanos.

>>715407726
Pretty sure venom was actually older then Big Boss himself by a couple years too. Its quite impressive how well he does despite originally being a skilled medic

>>715405943
>>715406146
>>715406519
Solid Snake is the goodness in Big Boss reborn. View the 3 clones as manifestations of the same core entity, Big Boss.

Been replaying through V and it's pretty fun. I banned myself from using tranqs and working with my dog to rocket punch people silently is rad as hell.

>>715408049
>And how did no one notice that the fucking President of the United States was a perfect clone of the most notorious terrorist to ever live?
Because being a perfect clone aged him fast enough that it wasn't noticeable at first. Also remember that canonically Solidus was actually too young to be president, but looked it enough to fool the public.

>>715407925
>>715408017
>>715408049
>>715408053
It was meant to show that memetic heritage is better than genetical heritage. Raiden inherited all of Snake's abilities from VR training, he is shown to be as capable if not more than Snake, he fought multiple AI Rays, Snake fought a Rex that was piloted by Liquid which is definitely not better than the AI version.

>>715408110
>The Holy Trinity... The Father (Big Boss), the Son (Snake), and the Holy Spirit (cue Liquid's ghost possessing Ocelot)...
I'm surprised that fucking hack Kojima didn't do that. Big Mama's Garden of Eden analogy was even cringier than what I just wrote

>Make another prequel (MGSV) to show how Big Boss became a villain again
>Trailer has him recruiting child soldiers, opening fire on unarmed prisoners and walking through a burning corridor with demon horns
Then it was all a complete misdirect for marketing because Kojima doesn't have the balls write anything interesting. This was the exact moment I lost the last of my respect for him. I can only laugh at the retards who bother with Death Stranding.

>>715406848
I was one of the Chico was Quiet perpetuators on /v/. I didn't really believe it, I just thought it was funny.

>>715408260
>Kaz... I'm already a le DEMON... I'M GOING DEMON MODE... DON'T DARE PEER INTO MY TWISTED MIND
>*pets hecking wholesome pupper, protects kids, and lets Huey off scot-free when he absolutely should've been executed*

>MGS V
>was finally going to show Big boss at his worst the final set up to his downfall and eventual defeat
>Lol it's not him it's a body double jk
Fuck you hackjima

>>715408260
>Kojima doesn't have the balls write anything interesting. This was the exact moment I lost the last of my respect for him.
Same but with Guns of the Patriots
>I'm totally going to wrap all the loose ends with this one guys!
>Nanomachines ad infinitum
>The Patriots were these likable characters from MGS3 with the flimsiest explanation possible
>shoehorn in some relationship between Vamp and Naomi, just reduce the scope of the lore because why not

>>715408252
You can even see this in Peace Walker. You can recruit soldiers that are physically more capable than BB, but they're not any good until they're presumably trained in BB's techniques versus whatever training they received before joining MSF.

>>715408110
You're looking at it in hindsight. As someone who played the main games as they came out, everything after mgs1 has been sonewhat disappointing, watching snake get progressively less badass. And in my opinion, it really sucks that mgs1 is seen as a "masterpiece" because that means it's incredibly unlikely to be visually modernized. Remaking 3, a game that I think looks good to this day, before 1 is a kick in the balls to me especially since twin snakes is imprisoned in the cube and the rights to it are probably murky since silicon knights doesn't exist anymore.

Metal Gear really dropped the ball on the villain front after MGS3. Everyone loves Liquid, Solidus and Volgin, but then what have you got? Gene is just Liquid rehash, Hot Coldman is a retard and then Skull Face, despite having a good introduction and a top-tier Shinkawa design, is laughably stupid.

>>715408669
>since twin snakes is imprisoned in the cube and the rights to it are probably murky since silicon knights doesn't exist anymore.
As it should be. And no, SK has no ownership of it since it's built on Konami's own MGS2 engine.

>>715408508
Well, yeah. I lost almost all of my respect for him from 4.
>Hey it's me, Big Boss. I have been brought back to life so I can ham-fistedly drop an hour of exposition about the entire plot of the series on you and explain all the fucking retarded shit that makes no sense
>Now that I have done that, time to immediately conveniently die again
Absolute horrific.

>>715408508
What's weird about MGS3 is that if you go back, the hints about the true identities of your radio team are still there. Paramedic has a codec where she talks about how good Big Boss' genes are and how they need to be preserved, or something akin to that. Same with Sigint, he'll mention something related to DARPA or ARPANET. I dont remember the exact wordings, but the hints are there if you're looking for them.

>>715408508
>>715408860
Jolly old Major Zero turning into a power hungry psycho sort of makes more sense in Japanese, as Zero and Liquid have the same VA

>>715408463
venom read ahead in the script and knew that letting Huey live would lead to him drowning himself in the pool after being cucked by his own son

>>715408508
He did wrap up all the loose ends. He didn't say he was going to do it well.

>>715407547
>>715407925
Because real combat isn't about out strengthing your opponent. It's about exploiting their weaknesses

>>715402116
>"Kaz, I'm already a demon."
>Builds an entire platform at sea to rescue every single animal that's in dangerous warzones

>>715408703
volgin was pretty whatever too, not bad but a step down from 1 & 2.

>>715408928
Plus TPP explains that Skull Face turning Zero into a vegetable, and Huey murdering Strangelove, are the main things that made the Patriots into the outright villain faction instead of the extremely misguided but trying to do what they think is right villain faction.

>>715408928
thats a stretch

Huey did nothing wrong.

>>715408857
I about lost it when just admits MGS2's ending has to be retconed because there's no way to write off from it
>12 dead guys ruling the world? Huh, what a crap lead that was!
>>715408860
>What's weird about MGS3 is that if you go back, the hints about the true identities of your radio team are still there
No they aren't.
>Paramedic has a codec where she talks about how good Big Boss' genes are and how they need to be preserved, or something akin to that
How does that relate to her being Dr. Clark (who was originally male) and wanting to experiment on Grey Fox? It doesn't.
>Same with Sigint, he'll mention something related to DARPA or ARPANET
If by "related" you mean being Donald Anderson from MGS1, sure. But being one of the Patriots/Wiseman's Committee. Again, no.

And let's not forget Ocelot
>gets possessed by Liquid's arm
>MGS3 confirms he's the son of a spirit medium, The Sorrow
>this implies Liquid's arm is just a conduit to his spirit, and Ocelot's inherited his dad's powers
>lol no he removed it then hypnotized himself

>>715409287
Hey, I said sort of

>>715401062 (OP)
The most annoying thing is 3 is a standalone prequel story but went on to have critical acclaim so they felt the need to awkwardly shove it it in later game like the characters being in 4 which makes no sense.

>>715408928
I really like his role in V. He still sounds like the same dude from 3 (not literally since its a different VA), and not at all the menace everyone cracked him up to be.

The biggest misstep is him having zero urgency towards The Boss and Snake Eater in general and his contribution towards the mission basically boiled down to him telling Snake to stop being a pussy. And unlike Para-Medic and SIGINT, they didn't bother giving him any kind of foreshadowing either so he feels the most out of left field out of the Patriots roster.

>>715409320
That was one of the worst. Because he only half retcons it. MGS2 Ocelot was actually possessed by the arm for the reasons you said. But then MGS4 the big reveal is "lol, he got it changed between games and you didn't know until now, he was just pretending the whole time". Absolutely pointless drivel twist.

>>715407278
at least the cutscences gave us something to look at instead of retard snake's expressionless face.

>>715401062 (OP)
The game literally ends on him being completely disillusioned with the american government and how soldiers are used and thrown away by the country. Its the 'how' it started, not the 'how' its going.

>>715406848
My favorite was
>Kazuhira Miller is racist. He casually drops the N word, hard R and all.
because of how absurd it was and how most of /v/ somehow believed it.

What is it about him that makes him far and away the most loved villain in the series? Not even Solidus is as well liked.

>>715408860
>>715408928
I can't remember which prequel game it was, maybe Portable Ops or whatever, but i swear on my life i was sure they were going to reveal that Gray Fox was secretly Zero's son, adding in another father/son link to the lore. They introduced Null, who is a young Gray Fox, and the codename Null is similar to codename Zero. Both Null and Zero have gray/silver hair.

>>715409636
Evil twin. Same thing people like about dark link.

>>715409636
being first, good performance, relatively straightforward story and place in the story. good setpices too

>>715409636
He looks cool as fuck, he's essentially the Vergil of the series but way less utilized and respected/used by the creator. He was also only really in one game so he couldn't be ruined by later games like everyone else was.

Prequel to the original MSX game. It tries to make sense of some things from the original, while retconning the events of it.

>>715409636
I think

>good use of the evil twin trope
>scheme is actually relatively sensical
>great VA in both English and Japanese
>hammy yet also still menacing

>>715409636
I prefer Solidus, but the reason I love Liquid is really just his VA. Cam Clarke was a favorite of mine long before I even played MGS or knew his name, from Tales of Symphonia and Clifford The Big Red Dog.

>>715409459
What really felt like a betrayal was how it was fans who pieced together that Ocelot inherited the Sorrow's powers. Prior to 4, you didn't have a game or ancillary material saying "this is how this happened", fans just sort of figured it out. It felt like you were being rewarded for paying attention to the crazy shit Kojima was coming up with. Then Kojima shits on that with MGS4. It basically was the epitome of an old /v/ infographic about 4's story
>Guns of the Patriots' narrative was designed to punish critical thinking whereas past games rewarded it

>>715409761
>>715409761
>Prequel to the original
There's already a half dozen games that take place before metal gear all trying to make sense of the timeline.

>>715409636
he is THE retard of the franchise, the butt-monkey everyone makes fun of but with the tenacity to play it straight. he gets his motive wrong in every single game he shows up in.
>mgs1: thinks he's the inferior clone and tries to stick it to his dad who he hates
>mgs2: retcons his own motive and says that he was aiming for the patriots the whole time, totally not to save face from embarrassment btw
>mgs4: gets killed for good by ocelot offscreen and he larps as him to a much greater success than any of his previous outings
>mgsv: remember that dad he hated? its actually some rando body double lmao

>Skull Face gives Zero AIDS by tricking him into pricking his finger on a poisoned pin he mailed to him
How is this even canon

>>715409903
That's how I felt with MGSV's tapes. There's so much lore hidden in them but nobody listened to them or paid attention. They just take what little is presented during the cutscenes for face value, and in the end the whole game's story feels like a betrayal because who the fuck cares how Big Boss survived Metal Gear?
>There are two Big Boss doppelgangers operating in the same region during the same time period, meanwhile the actual Big Boss, who looks exactly like Big Boss, is also active in the same region and eventually returns to the US
>Nobody recognizes any of these niggas despite him being the Brad Pitt of international warfare

>male a 10/10 game
>end it on like 5 cliff hanger sequel baits
>never make a sequel
I find Kojima dick riding to be quite strange.

>>715409636
>Sheer autism in wanting to be better than big boss
>Even when big boss was dead (mostly) he just used solid snake as a proxy
>Literally superior
>Good performance
>One of the only good parts of MGSV

>>715410192
but they did

>>715410103
The post ending tapes felt like a weird attempt to shift the blame for the Patriots AI, and all the bullshit they caused, away from Zero, even if he still got the ball rolling.

>>715402947
he's guilty of being the biggest cringe retard in the entire franchise

>>715410192
Metal Gear Rising?

>>715401062 (OP)
Everything became a mess after MGS2 and for a very long time we had no idea if it even had happened or it was all a simulation.
And then we got MGS4 and it was even more of a mess because it's a bunch of nonsense put together to "finish" the story.
Everything after that is useless and basically Kojimer is a hack.

>>715410330
This was kino. Venom and Kaz were acting like children, as per usual, and even let Mantis steal the parasite in their lust for revenge.

>>715410980
>in their lust for revenge.
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>chapter 2 of MGSV starts with a trailer that spoils literally everything that happens in it
literally why

>>715411530
Japs do shit like that all the time.

>>715411530
Did u rike it?

>>715408508
I don't know if there's a game with a bigger difference between its best parts and worst parts than MGS4
hell even the speed at which the whiplash occurs is staggering

>>715409723
nah he was a child soldier who fought alongside raiden and big boss in zanzibar land (somewhere in africa)

>>715412156
>raiden
>zanzibar

I just wanted to see young sniper wolf
quiet sucks horse cock

>>715401062 (OP)
The child soldiers thing wasn't evil enough for you?

>>715412603
which child soldiers?

>>715409723
Null was retarded. PO is terrible.

>>715409636
Being in the only game normalfags know anything about

>>715407057
that one would have been hilarious, imagine a late teens solid snake with late david hayter's 12-packs-a-day throat cancer voice

>>715412156
Raiden was in Liberia

Venom should have been Solidus.

>>715412675
liquid was in revengeance?

>>715401062 (OP)
Kojima is a movie brainrotted hack that doesn't know what he's doing narratively? Say it ain't so!

>>715412675
>normalfags
Bro came from 1998

Anon MGS1 isn't popular with normalfags anymore, the normie MG is revengeance

>>715412736
Venom was too, likely. As well as Solidus. And Big Boss was a stone's throw away.

>>715401723
V outright tell you portable isnt canon

>also even when he's ostensibly evil he's also fighting against his former allies in the Illuminati rather than just being an out-and-out unrepentant warlord

copulation

male to female

>>715412954
portops appears during mgs4 ending you dumbass

>>715404270
I love how we reached nuclear disarmament by making so many nukes we rolled over the counter.

you know remember that they got John Cygan back to voice Solidus in an ad for Revengeance that shows Raiden's PTSD visions of when he was kidnapped he has while being worked on byu doctors after the prologue.
https://youtu.be/njZNPSwJBV0

>>715413194
revengeance was pure sovl

>>715413194
they did my man dirty in MGS4

>>715407726
Age doesnt matter in mgs. Mg2 big boss was his strongest version

>>715413350
he deserved it. he was a piece of shit despite his main mission being noble.

>>715413446
fuck off

>>715412792
MGRR isn't an MGS game
>>715412886
>Anon MGS1 isn't popular with normalfags anymore,
35-45 year old balding millennials are still normalfags, and MGS1 is the only game in the series they really know about.

Big Boss degrading into an author's pet is the fundamental problem with the series after 4.

>>715413687
>the problem didn't begin with 3

>>715413858
it didn't.
3 shows a naive man dedicated to his mission and country and ends with him being disillusioned with it all after discovering the circumstances behind his mission. it gives plenty for the viewer to realize why he eventually did what he did. 4 and especially PW and MGSV were what ruined the character.

>>715413858
It didn't, as a jumping off point for a descent into Bond Villain 3 works fine.
And regretting it in 4 is fine for him too.

>>715413632
>MGRR isn't an MGS game
More a sequel to Sons of Liberty than MGS4 was.
>35-45 year old balding millennials are still normalfags, and MGS1 is the only game in the series they really know about.
Millennials were there for the launch of 2, 3, 4, pretty much all the games Kojima directed zoom zoom

Big Boss is stronger than Solid Snake. Snake lost because he sneaked around the boss fight

>>715414195
>Millennials were there for the launch of 2, 3, 4, pretty much all the games Kojima directed
And they still don't know shit about them. Crazy, right?

I just want remakes of Metal Gear 1 and 2. Nothing else matters.

>>715414752
They would need to rewrite them

>>715414752
>Nothing else matters
a sequel to Ghost Babel would be nice

>>715413858
3 might've been the start, but after it was the point of no return

>>715414752
I still want a Cobras game

blocks your path

>>715415860
Are those thighs really necessary?

>>715415860
>gives you time to run away
>loses you almost immediately

>>715412675
MGS was a lot more mainstream that you seem to think

Also 2 was the best selling one officially it still is, though TPP has likely overtaken its lifetime sales by way of Steam and PSN sales

>>715416241
MGS2 hasn't really have the IRL impact that MGS1 had. Gen X and Millennial normalfags still know Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, and a bunch of other shit from MGS1. Far less of them seem to know anything about MGS2, in my experience. Obviously 2 is huge online, but that doesn't really translate over to the real world, from what I've seen.

>>715416752
That's more or less because of how memetic it was, and I would wager Hiimdaisy was responsible for a lot of its staying power later on.

>>715416752
>hasn't really have
I need to go to bed

>>715415860
>a gundam ass mech with a metal gear rex head
fucking stupid. I thought it was stupid then and 9 years later it's still dumb.

I want Metal Gear Liquid. Which is what Physint actually is. I have been calling this shot since it was fucking announced. And I'm shocked at how few times I've been called a retard over it.

>>715417105
I was under the impression that Sahel-i can't be fucked trying to spell it-pus only moves because of kid Psycho Mantis. Otherwise it's just a giant nuclear paperweight.

>>715417406
Pretty much, the ST-84 seems a lot more advanced than it actually is by virtue of the fact that the tech wasn't nearly there yet and it needed Mini Mantis to control it.

That said, it's still dumb. What really started it was that ZEKE was apparently made in the mid-70s but was a million times more maneuverable than REX was thirty years later. Say what you will about Portable Ops, but RAXA was a lot more in line with the Cold War Apollo thing.

>>715417567
Was Huey even aware of Psycho Mantis? Knowing him he was probably so wrapped up in his own ego that he assumed that the ST-84 was moving on its own, and not because Skull Face had a literal deus ex machina making it work.

>>715404356
Realtalk, i did that with King Charles but he was only a prince then and i doubt it bothered him overmuch.

>>715417995
Everybody did that.

>>715417406
does that make it less dumb?

>>715417105
Find comfort in the fact it's the worst metal gear by function of never actually working without Psycho Mantis. Huey was a washed-up, crazy scientist in TPP, further scientists just toned down his ideas to actually make them work.

>>715417406
>Sahel-I can't be fucked trying to spell it-pus
Sahel-anthro-pus. It's not that hard.

>>715402947
He was MGSV's true hidden villain. He murdered Strangelove before she could incorporate ethical subroutines into the Patriots' neural AI network

>>715418532
No, but at least it keeps the tech level somewhat consistent, to the extent that MG tech can be called that.

>>715418734
I fixated on the sahe-lan- part at the start of the name that I completely missed the word anthro in the fucking middle. Thanks anon.

>>715417118
I'll make sure to screencap this, and thoroughly mock or praise you in accordance with the outcome that eventuates when the time comes. I fully expect to be mocking you at such time.

Is Kojima just past his prime as a writer? Post-3 MGS and Death Stranding have still got some great ideas in there, of course, but they're buried under a heap of stupid shit that MGS1-3 didn't have.

I don't buy it's all down to Fukushima supposedly being the real genius behind the franchise either because all he did post-Konami was work as a script doctor on some totally forgettable weebshit for Sony Japan Studio like Freedom Wars.

>>715419026
george lucas syndrome.

when he was younger people could tell him when his ides were shit. now he's old and everyone thinks he's a genius.

>>715419026
10 years after MGSV and playing DS1 for the first time recently, it comes across to me that he makes his games to just show off cool shit and the plot and setting comes second to that. I know people jerk him off about the story in his games but after MGS4 and starting from PW, it really does feel that way. His "muh Hollywood" obsession is translated more into getting actors into his games and making them do wacky stuff, and the cinematography of the games instead of anything with the plot and characters themselves.

>>715404628
There isn't a missing link. Hell there's too many links if anything. People just want to play as an edgy evil Big Boss and have a boss fight against Solid Snake. Which would be cool but whatever.

>>715415981
He thicc becuase Huey had basically perfected the art of giant robot legs. That's why TX-55 and D had such brittle, vulnerable legs. The Soviet bionics engineer, a.k.a. Dr. Madnar's real specialty was robot hands.

>>715419026
he's been past his prime for over 20 years

>>715419026
Kojima has always wanted to be maximally avant garde as a writer, while still incorporating military, political and existential themes. Everything he's ever done save for Penguin Adventure has been that way, and any and all limitations in achieving that were down to the technology and scope he was constrained to at the time.

The truth is that Kojima has literally always been like this.

MGS1:
>Liquid Snake was created as a counterpart to Solid Snake. Who was only so named because it alliterates and set him apart from Snake Plisken in MG.
>Revolver Ocelot is a cowboy with a revolver, that's his whole personality
>Psycho Mantis is a psychic gimp. There's nothing more to him besides his kitschy cutscene tech gimmick to make you ooh and ahh.
>Decoy Octopus is literally JUST a decoy. We know absolutely fucking squat about him even 30 years and between six and eight games later.
>Sniper Wolf. She's a sniper, who has a close relationship with wolves.
>Vulcan Raven. Giant Native American man with a raven tattooed on his head, with inexplicable mystic powers, who uses a literal M61 Vulcan as his primary weapon.

If that shit, or any of the other MGS games, let alone Zone of the Enders came out today, you'd be calling Kojima a pretentious hack over it just as much as you do with Death Stranding or the latter MGS games.

Nothing fucking changed, brother. You just learned more about the world and started letting yourself believe Kojima's hallmarks were a creative failing instead of a deliberate stylistic choice right around the time he started to blur the line between video game and movie just a little too much for your taste.

>>715407697
No he didnt, it's the opposite

>>715419617
The Bionics Engineer isn't Dr. Madnar, he's not that old in MGSV, and MG2 only takes place about 14 years later. Dr. Madnar looks like he might be in his 60s or 70s, and the Bionics Engineer can't be that much older than 40, by his appearance.
>But how is Madnar still alive in MGS4?
How is Major Zero still alive? Big Boss was in the nanomachine Sous Vide bag before they stapled Solidus's skin on him, there's no problem there, but Major Zero dies at the age of 105, and he only finally dies when his nanomachines are disabled. They pumped Madnar full of Nanomachines too.

They're not the same guy.

>>715409320
>who was originally male
Mistranslation

>>715420235
I just assumed they retconned his age, pending a possible remake/reimagining of MG1/2 (not so likely now, though)

>>715412625

>>715420591
no not the pixel kids :(

>>715420591
those aren't child soldiers, they're just war orphans who treat big boss like santa claus
the fucked up part is that his army and his endless war is what killed their parents and they'll grow up to idolize him and join his army if he's allowed to continue his outer heaven shenanigans

>>715420953
yeah, just like he did with Gray Fox and... uh... Sniper Wolf, how dare he

>>715419216
This. He needs a tard wrangler, but because of how japanese hierarchy works, he's too old to question now. Anyone younger or lower in the hierarchy than him will bite their tongue, even if they know for a fact he's retarded.

>>715421506
Anon, he's been doing this shit the whole time.
MGS2:
Metal Gear RAY, because it's the next evolution of Metal Gear after REX. I'm surprised there was never a Metal Gear REZ.
>Fortune, because she's lucky, and she secretly inherited the doodad that made her lucky like that. But she also has that power naturally, for some reason.
>Vamp, because he's a bisexual vampire from Romania
>Fatman, because he's a fatass who plants bombs and revels in destruction.

>The Tengu unit, who wear impractical Tengu sandals for no fucking reason
>The Patriots AI system having components named after US Presidents

Not to mention the fucking president grabbing Raiden's dick and balls because he thinks Raiden's a girl, or the artificial white nanomachine blood transfusion and technowank Skull Suit.
Raiden in general, even.

Kojima has always been extremely direct and expositional about fucking everything in his games. There has never been an ounce of fucking subtlety or delicacy in anything he's ever done.

MGS:MC Vol2 when Konami?

>>715401062 (OP)
>MGS V
>you don't actually play as BB
Fug kojimbooba

>>715421987
I'm aware, the difference between then and now is that there were genuine moments of brilliance in his games because he was being tard wrangled. He doesn't have that anymore, so it's just balls to the wall la creatividad stupidity.

>>715422340
>including chapter 3: peace
LMAOOOOO

>>715419836
These are honestly more interesting names than the Elvish King attacking Ork City during the Ork Wars.

>>715422343
the real big boss was the friends we made along the way

>>715413173
And people dare to say McNukes would be unsafe

>>715413173
Ludokino

>MGS 3
How Snek became BB
>PW
How BB built his army and acquired nukes
>TPP
How BB became ebil

Big Boss' crime was revealed in the very first 'Metal Gear' anything that Kojima has made, ie. the Metal Gear on the fucking MSX. He fucks over both Gray Fox and Solid Snake over the guise of trying to stop Outer Heaven, when in reality he's the one controlling it. He's an evil cunt sacrificing soldier's lives to further his own goals. Then MGS3 cleverly reused this by showing that the whole reason he became a jaded cunt is over the Boss being sacrificed by the US government and going along with it - technically because she treasured loyalty the most, but it's implied she was used so many times by the United States she was tired and willingly gave her life.

BB then stews for the next 3-4 games (and OP is right, fuck all happens and Big Boss is usually portrayed as a heroic figure because Kojima lost the plot) and finally breaks and does the same shit to someone else for the sake of taking over the world. Problem with V is that it just rehashes MG1 without doing anything interesting + it adds a bunch of useless, unncessary dumbshit, like:
>by the way, in Tselinoyarsk remember that moment where BB dropped his US-made mask and vomitted on the ground? actually Skull Face was in the background picking up his piss and shit
>by the way, BB actually could run Fox Hound and fool everyone because big medic was a brainwashed body double of his and he ran outer heaven as a proxy agent
>by the way, the cobras could shoot bees out of their mouths because of ancient parasites
>by the way, the 'good' parts of BB's army - MSF - were kind of erased because a bald cunt with burned skin killed everyone and made Miller a jaded cripple and then died to his own Metal Gear while doing absolutely nothing of note afterwards

tl;dr la creatividad huffed his farts so much he became an insufferable retard who only writes mediocre shit now and has no editors left to challenge him in creative ways

>>715423382
>by the way, in Tselinoyarsk remember that moment where BB dropped his US-made mask and vomitted on the ground? actually Skull Face was in the background picking up his piss and shit
that part's great, revenge man's LUST FOR REVENGE was mostly motivated by having to go around pick up all the half-eaten animals and discarded medical supplies naked snake left behind in the mid-60s.

>>715401062 (OP)
Looking back, MGS3 started the female badass soldier meme before it was cool and DS2 being as woke as it gets is not surprising

>>715423603
Skull Face is written in a such a retarded way it's a wild guess as to what his true motivation is.

He's jerking it over the Boss like everyone in the series is. The Boss said 'we're all living on Earth and the cold war won't last forever so we should learn to cooperate more instead of dividing the world'. So the fucker invents this turbo-retarded plan of controlling all of the nukes and also killing the English language - that you know is so retarded the player can barely even understand it much less imagine it as something that would ever practically work. It triumphs even Big Boss and Zero's plan in how retarded it is (and that's saying something).

He's hyper-competent at times (destroying MSF) but also completely a fucking incompetent joke in V. Has Venom dead to rights and at gunpoint but he lets go multiple times without killing him and just monologues at him, sends Quiet to speak English loudly and she just doesn't bother for some fucking reason, dies to an angry child hijacking his own Metal Gear. He knows about Diamond Dogs and could wipe them out very early but just doesn't do it for.. reasons?

He's butthurt at Zero for cleaning up vomit in the jungle and kills him with a cancer-ridden pin (???). For some reason Zero lets him live after he disobeys him after Peace Walker (???).

SF is probably the worst part of the franchise for me. Him and the ancient parasites are so mind-bogglingly stupid I seriously suspect Kojima never could write well and most of the success of the franchise is due to the localization team and people like Fukushima/Murata/whoever reining his retardation in and just saying 'this is not fun, dude'.

>>715404628
The missing link would have been a game where your PMC was just actually fucking named Outer Heaven and they skipped all the bullshit of the same setup twice. And incorporated Grey Fox. Actually complete the fucking story full circle by turning characters we meet in whatever MGSV/PW hybrid I'm suggesting we shoulda gotten instead into Shoot Gunner and the other silly squad members.

>>715424290
>gives his speech about being born in a small village for the 150th time as his bodyguards sigh, fiddle with the radio and check their watches
WOOOOOOAAAHHHH-HOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

>>715401062 (OP)
It always annoyed me.
>MGSV
>It's the part of the timeline where Big Boss goes off the deep end
>Oh boy, the trailer shows him making Outer Heaven and shooting children!
>Game comes out
>It's all a bait and switch, he's a good guy and not even the real Big Boss

>>715424290
words can kill

>>715424290
Skull Face is like a completely different character in GZ and TPP, it's baffling.

Though I still have fond memories of that time James Horan got interviewed in the leadup to TPP. People thought he was just playing coy and under extreme NDAs when he said that he barely remembered anything about the recording he'd done 18 months before and that he did all his lines in three days (plus he had no idea who Kojima was, just that "the Japanese gentleman" was at his audition and that vaguely remembered he had something to do with the game) - turns out he was telling the truth.

>>715401062 (OP)
BB's story should have ended with PW.
GZ and PP wasn't needed.

>>715404628
I'd like to see what modern Kojima would've done with characters like Shoot Gunner.

>>715424290
I'm starting to think no-one actually understood The Boss. The closest anyone gets to carrying out her will (instead of some fucked up misinterpretation of it) are Solid Snake and Otacon, and they never fucking met her. Even in death she's a figurehead for a bunch of bullshit she never would've approved of if she was alive.

>>715402947
This game was such a character assassination of Huey.
>Peace Walker
He's just 60's Hal, a goofy nice guy who likes building robots
>MGSV
He's a sniveling, whiny coward who backstabs everyone constantly and won't stop lying.

>>715425027
That is actually fucking based though. Like legitimately, Huey being a rat is one of the best things MGSV did.

>>715425027
We already knew that Huey was a terrible person from what he did to Emma, I'd argue if anything just making him Notacon in PW was the mistake.

>>715424290
anti-english vocal chord parasites might be the dumbest plot point in the entire series

>>715424290
It's like Thanos in Infinity War.
IW Thanos - An insane man who wants to do something good, and will sacrifice everything to complete his goal
End Game Thanos - Cackling, retarded brute with no tactics or strategy.
I hate it when they do this.

>>715425003
that was the point. it kinda just gets lost in the background noise with how much other bullshit was added to the general storytelling

>>715425027
He was alread a slimy narcissist in PW who only uses his smarts to talk people in to letting him develop his nuclear walking tanks, he just gets to really show his ugly side in the Phantom Pain when the people involved already don't like him and he spends the whole game trying to bullshit his way back in to your good graces just so he can develop more walking tanks before inevitably selling you out again so he can go develop more walking tanks for somebody else.

>>715425027
To be fair, even in PW you can hints of Huey's true nature.
>You meet him as he's being pressured by Coldman into building WMDs, then he immediately offers to build WMDs for BB without coercion
>Conveniently neglects to mention that Strangelove may have deactivated his pass over an earlier incident until BB is already at the front door and can't get in, despite having ample time to do so

>>715425101
>making him Notacon in PW was the mistake.
Correct in general

>>715425027
this happened to Big Boss, Zero and Ocelot too
>Big Boss is a virtuous commander who cares about human lives and fellow comrades
>gets an entire hospital killed
>Zero is an enigma who's menace knows no bounds and ruined the whole world
>is the same old brit from 3 but slightly more pessimistic, the AI are the bad guys
>Ocelot is a wacky double-triple-quadruple agent that you can never get a pin on in any of the games he appears in
>is just a boring dude that is a worse Para-Medic

>>715425003
>I'm starting to think no-one actually understood The Boss.
PW and V basically outright state this man

>>715424884
I used to be friends with James Horan when I still used Normiebook. Nice guy, though a very typical boomer. All he'd talk about was his family, Christian stuff and Star Trek

>>715425003
Kojima wrote himself into a corner because for MGS1-3 he just fucked around without a plan. The Boss in 3 is just a clever way of contextualizing MG1/MG2. For 4 and everything else it was a shitshow of retcons because he wanted a bombastic-way out, so all he could think of was Zero creating AIs to globalize the world.

V retcons 4 further and fumbles it into an even bigger mess ('AI's are actually evil because Zero got ass cancer and couldn't preside over them so they invented the war economy instead'). I think a better writer could've done it but I suspect that by the time 4 came out, Kojima stopped listening to co-writers.

Pretty sure since MGS4, the story was pushing that Big Boss was either misunderstood or being manipulated by the Patriots/Cipher. He is also a merc so he isnt exactly a hero regardless of what is shown in game.

>>715425265
>>715425101
I disagree. It's a nice setup and semi-twist. It also makes sense Otacon inherits his dad's mannerisms a bit. Being similar highlights the difference of their moral compasses, and if you were around when V came out there were a lot of people who still wanted to believe Huey wasn't a rat because they just liked him for being like Hal. But that's the point, that's what Kojima wanted.

>>715424967
He'd scan Timothy Chalamet into the game and post pictures with him on Twitter. His part in the game would be esoteric and mind-bogglingly fucking dumb.

>>715425208
>He was alread a slimy narcissist in PW
Yeah, the tone of PW just glosses over that heavily, especially since he doesn't pull any major bullshit until the shitshow in GZ.

>>715425196
Tangential, but I was reading Oshi no Ko a few months ago, and pretty much the same thing happens there. The two main protagonists and the main villain all go about doing what they do because they all wildly misinterpreted Ai to some degree.

If Physint is just going to be MGS6 with the serial number filed off, I hope to God it's not going to just use the Ubisoft template like TPP did. It's still mechanically a fucking excellent game, just that the world design and pacing is so wonky and off.

>>715425796
Anon, both Death Stranding and DS2 are pretty much exactly like fucking TPP in terms of open world shit. Doesn't really bode well.

>>715425796
what ubisoft template? there weren't even any ubisoft towers

>>715405563
But saving those IS villainous, bro.

>>715425003
>I'm starting to think no-one actually understood The Boss.
Precisely, it's a cavalcade of retards all trying to enact their own twisted interpretation of the Boss's will.

>>715401062 (OP)
>>715401062 (OP)
>PEAK METAL GEAR
MG1, MG2:SS, MGS1
>Okay you guys since you nag, one last good title from me :)
MGS2
>FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF HERE TAKE THIS SHIT AND LEAVE ME ALONE
MGS3, MGS4
>ALRIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS TIME TO SHIT ON EVERYTHING YOU LIKE
MGSV

And people enjoy the latter slops. Absolute SHITTER taste.

The series should've ended at MGS1 or MGS2. MGS3 and the whole Big Baby wankjob is completely unnecessary and removes all mystique of his character, it's like retarded kids adding OC monsters in the Backrooms kind of crap.
If anything considering how batshit insane the death threat niggers were, the series final FINAL cutoff should've been at MGS3 and NOTHING MORE.

>>715404628
None you humongous faggot. Can't you retards enjoy stuff without everything being spelled out to you?

>>715426232
How do you explain DS1 and DS2? If eariler MGS games were slop on purpose, why are these two games the sloppiest shit yet?

Why does Skull Face have a boner for the Boss anyway, he wasn't one of her friends like Zero and BB were, he was one of Zero's acquaintances who soured on him because he thought he wasn't cut out for leadership

>>715426461
Not Metal Gear
Stick to the topic dumbass

>>715426461
They are pure kino tho

>>715412954
V outright tells you V isn't canon