Ross is going to have an interview with the EU VP about Stop Killing Games.

Corpo bros??

>>715514749 (OP)
>we may actually get a chance to talk with him (either me and / or the official spokesperson) later, it's still being worked out.

>>715514749 (OP)
NOOOO THIS ISN'T TRUE
THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE IT

The big noses aren't gonna like this.

Recognize the beast.

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Levi now
https://www.twitch.tv/yatonolevi

>>715515132
Devs are going to ignore it, even if it does pass. Claim subscription status and don't have to do anything. Just like how they stores to say you own a license to a game but not the game itself. Different name but same outcome.

>'I am growing molder'

Why didn't they just use this?

Explain the mold backstory to me.
t. only watched Freeman's Mind years ago

>>715514749 (OP)
I love Ross, I've been watching his stuff for years, and now his time has finally come.
I kneel before the power of moving in with your foreign wife and inhaling foreign mold.

>>715516246
Hahahahahahaha

>>715516324
>ALL VIDEOS ON MOLD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0vA64sSdqM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFwh8CNni_8
he also gave us dozens of mold updates in his monthly video chats

>>715516242
>They are going to destroy their own industry turning everything subscription
Lol retarded jeet

>>715516242
No one is retarded enough to actually believe this. So are you pretending to be retarded or getting paid to be retarded?

Did he finish freeman's mind 2?

>>715516492
yeah subscriptions never work out just look at blizzard...oh...

>>715516614
The industry tried that. Only really old legacy games can do subscriptions. No new game can do it because no one is willing to pay. Nice try jeet

>>715516614
>>715516242
How much do you get paid? Im curious. I want to say retarded shit for money too

>>715514794
I hope it's not Ross.
Dude's done a ton of work and put in plenty of effort to get people to pitch in, but at the actual legal level, he needs to let the professionals speak.
I doubt he'd even want to take the lead at this point though, so I'd assume there was some fuckery going on if he did.
At most, I think he might be okay with sitting to the side while an actual legal professional spoke with the VP, but I don't think he'd really want to do anything more than discuss talking points before sending in the lawyer or whatever without him.

>>715516131
See, what I like about Gabe is he understands.
Don't go out as a businessman and give statements nobody gives a fuck about and if they do they'll get mad at you.
Just sit down, shut up and sell the product.
Tim Schafer didn't learn.
Randy Schafer didn't learn.
Tameem didn't learn.
Phil Fish didn't learn.
Bobby Kotick didn't learn.
Gave didn't have to learn. He understood from day one, he is not a celebrity. He's a businessman. Support the current thing and sell the product. That's capitalism.

he's gonna ambush him. ross, being the slow sperg that he is, will fumble every question. bye bye skg, it was a nice year.

>>715516953
The VP who has already said he support SKG is going to ambush him?

You can't fungicide the Messiah.

I hope Ross tidies up a little bit, gets a haircut and wears something normal and not autistic.

>>715517053
Hahahahahahahshs
MOLD LIVES

>>715516246
>Note to self Ubisoft, you can't kill the Moldssiah

>>715516953
>Moldman
>slow
He's canonically a high AGI/END build. You gotta be pretty quick to catch his roadrunner ass on the field.

>>715517053
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ACT
IF WE WANT TO LIVE IN A MOLD-FREE WORLD

>>715516131
>There is no list.

>>715516246
explain this mold meme

>>715517116
Yeah, he looks like a fucking hobo and he would seriously risk making the whole campaign just by sheer negative aura.

>>715517026
He will ask corporation approved questions that will set up unsavory answers.
Politicians do not support anything. They do precisely what the money tells them. You are naive if you believe otherwise.

>>715517467
his home in poland had a problem with damp and thus mold.

>>715517515
Refunds
USB c
Seethe Jeet

>>715517467
see >>715516445

>>715516879
>Phil Fish didn't learn.

With him it was irrevelant. Fez was done in 80% by a different person. He never was a developer to begin with. There would never be another game coming from him.

As much as this word is over-used, he was an actual scammer.

Stop killing /v/, you subhuman p[iece of shit.,

>>715517515
Screen capping so I can laugh at you later jeet

>jeets having to go full adhomo to divert the trajectory
The absolute state

did he do anything note-worthy since last week?

>Corpo bros??
I haven't been paid for June yet. Should I be worried?

https://youtu.be/3PFvqDkZ7ls?si=yfHSOHR8gf5Zo2Zm

Someone's donating to Ross
Ross needs to ebeg unironically

>>715517726
He brutalized another garden ornament last night with a side of Head and Shoulders

>>715516879
I don't think your're being fair to the other big shots. You know what the very big difference is between them all and Gabe? Besides Fish being completely irrelevant today, every other one needs to answer the shareholders. The shareholders want to see an active engagement in the industry. Valve is private so Gabe doesn't need to comment on absolutely anything if he doesn't want to.

>>715517726
He claimed his game could run on a smart fridge then posted a video as evidence but he was just using it as a screen while a separate computer ran it

>>715517053
THE TECHNOLOGY OF FUNGI!
ROSS LIVES IN DEATH!

PEACE THROUGH FUNGUS!
PEACE THROUGH FUNGUS!
PEACE THROUGH FUNGUS!
PEACE THROUGH FUNGUS!
PEACE THROUGH FUNGUS!

>>715516660
>>715505914
>>715468832
The jews are afraid again

>>715518808
It begins

>>715516131
>>715516879
>>715517984
>>715517590
I've seen someone say that valve is in the group through an intermediary

>>715517726
another ferret found out

>>715517726
So what's the context behind him making this particular face?

>>715518808
Sar....

Remember friends, you WILL own everything and you WILL be happy

>>715520563
Found out his wife's bull was white.

SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>715516879
It's not like many people care what they say anyway. Bobby was the CEO for 32 years, made insane amounts of money and not feeling any consequences for his actions. Blizzard may now be shit, but they still have enough drones to keep them afloat easily.

>>715521160
>Zurich
>EU
good morning saars

>>715521036
He's a homosexual, unironically.

SKG fans claim to fight for justice, but there’s no justice in demanding indie devs work for free, release IP, and maintain servers forever. That’s not preservation, it’s exploitation wrapped in gamer entitlement.

>>715521160
>said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous
well some small indie dev from Zimbabwe who wished to remain anonymous told me it's all good this will have zero repercussions on his work
so I think we're all good we can keep going on with the petition!

Can you cunts name a single decent game that is "dead" now? Even the Crew has private servers.

It's funny how corpo shills are so desperate they have to resort to "noooo this will never work! This will only lead to bad things! I don't know how, but it will! Be afraid! Be scared!"
Comedic.

Love the cause, hate the execution. Forcing devs to release offline versions isn’t as simple as people think.

>>715521613
Can you name a single reason why people being able to make custom servers for games you don't care about is bad?

>>715521613
>decent
I see what you did there, putting a qualitative limitation on your demand so you can say "nuh uh, that doesn't count!" Cause otherwise people could answer with Overwatch or any gacha that went EoS.

God willing we'll have every indie developer in chains or a grave by the end of this year

>>715521826
This is the shit I was talking about, bandwagoners that latch onto a supposedly just cause just to fucking harass people. We are just asking how SKG can actually be implemented in the real world, no need to get all bigoted and racist about it. It's starting to smell a lot like gamergate...

>>715521613
show us your steam library and I'll name you some games

>>715521613
Loadout

>>715521810
Nah, I'm not going to shift the goal posts. Didn't they give you guys OW2 for free, so wouldn't bliz argue that it's a reasonable method to play?

Still I thought OW was popular, no p. servers?

>>715521886
>goobergate 3.0 soon
Trust the Plan

>>715521920
Has private servers.

>>715521668
Is that why many of these games get cracked fast?

>>715521668
Are you dumb? The game is essentially already on your PC. So instead of having a line to check for connectivity to a server before game launches. Maybe... remove that line?

Also, if the devs do not want to have an eol plan. When customers buy your game, it should be labelled as 'Subscribe' instead of 'Buy'.

>>715522040
I'm pretty sure it doesn't. And Blizzard sure as hell didn't release an tools to make one cause that'd cut into their OW2 profits. But that's exactly why we need SKG so that devs and publishers can't pull shit like this where they essentially make your account unusable so that you're forced to move onto the more exploitive successor.

>>715522453
Under the text of the initiative it says games must have a reasonable means of play. Blizzard satisfies it by giving you a method of playing a game, Ross spoke that not all versions of a game need to have this EOL functionality, it can be added at the death of it. So Blizzard patched a game turning it from 1.x to 2.x.

Not super important though I found an OW1 p. server.

>>715516614
A wow sub have a clearly listed expiration date.

>>715521668
It's not hard at all

>>715521668
Its extremely simple, just make a game with proper singleplayer to guarantee offline functionality.

>>715517515
Peak midwit.

>>715516706
less than 100 rupees.
so he can buy food that look like poopies.

>>715517726
claimed that his bad coding is 'ARG' for his "fans".

>>715516131
>Roblox
Seeing this on the list made me realize, how would SKG work for Roblox games? They might be able to weasel their way through saying Roblox is a platform for micro-games that the user doesn't own and in-game purchases are through digital currency which doesn't correlate to real-world money and therefore does not need protections. My only concern is that everyone soulless corpo would copy them if it's that easy to handwave away.

>>715514749 (OP)
populism for sheeple

>>715521613
>>715522239
>private servers
Which needs a huge effort by passionate fans who are also knowledgeable with the tech and willing to invest their time, this should not be the standard to just play a game you like.
And it only works as long as the publisher doesn't suddenly decide they don't want that and starts sueing them, which happened to defunct MMOs before.

>>715516131
>fat jew steals your whole library if you dont want to downgrade to pajeetsowft spyware

>>715524069
hot dang, a fedora tipper in this age.
thought you lot all went extinct.

>>715524039
Also an important distinction is that Roblox games are, at best, partially cached on the client's computer. Everything is remotely downloaded, so you technically you don't ever have anything that correlates to ownership of the game. Sounds like a non-issue the more I think about it. I wonder why they even care then.

>>715524106
>Which needs a huge effort by passionate fans who are also knowledgeable with the tech and willing to invest their time
God forbid they decide what to do with their fucking time.

>>715524039
Ross clearly said it is not retroactive. Because if it is, there would obviously be less support for the movement.

The misinformation around this campaign is crazy. SKG is intentionally vague to start a conversation around ownership of games for the consumers. Yes, it might be hard at the start but then devs will now be required to have foresight. As people ideate and innovate, better solutions will come along.

>>715517726
Probably shoved another ferret up his ass to feel better

>>715524106
None of my work on any private server code has got me into any legal trouble. Because making a server for whatever client is perfectly legal.

Only when the cunts running servers start advertising and selling stuff for them does trouble start to form.

They preserve the game in the best way possible for the community.

>>715524281
Yeah, you're right, but it's still a bit of a unique case. New "games" are published every day on Roblox. Is the entire platform safe, or just the individual games on there? I guess we'll just have to see how it pans out. It'll probably be the simpler option, naturally.

>>715521160
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/filename/1751716837267094.png/

>>715524224
I'm not saying it's wrong that they want to do it, it's basically the only way for many games to be still in a playable state which is of course a good thing.
The issue is that this problem exists to begin with. People shouldn't have to reverse engineer this shit just to make a game playable, the developers should give those who bought the game also the means to run their own server without any of that effort.

>>715521443
He's not. He had an actual wife, you can find his divorce papers posted on Kiwi Farms. Like most faggots, he isn't actually homosexual, he's just a complete coomer who found out sleeping with men is much, much, much easier than finding willing women.

>>715514749 (OP)
>EU VP
is that the guy who also signed the petition himself?

>>715525168
because no homo ever had a wife, anon.

>>715525269
There is no such thing as "homosexuality" is what I was getting at. He's just so coom-brained he lost all limitations, and since it's easier to find willing men, he went with it.

Just like "lesbians" are usually just mentally ill women who were molested as children and/or have titanic father issues.

It will be 3 years before the EU renders a verdict and they can choose to keep the status quo.

>>715525487
EY don't give a shit about companies. They will give an answer sooner rather than later.

>>715517726
yesterday he realized that some other streamer called quin or something is playing his game
he got mad as fuck and started to ban everybody in his chat saying that they were sent by that streamer, and he was overjoyed by himself that he banned 1900 people

Ross was too soft on devs, IMO
The initiative should have started with how devs, managers, beancounters and C-suite "people" responsible for decisions to terminate your property need to be tied to a giant mill to keep the servers running and gamers whipping them if they slack

>>715516814
Anon iirc Ross went to law school actually.

>>715525843
actually scratch that he studied criminology

>>715525487
good morning sir
The initiatives have a timeline listed for what they're obligated to do when. They have to answer within ~6 months.

>>715524281
Ross said the initiative is not retroactive, but whether the laws that come from this are retroactive or not does not depend on the initiative. While I doubt that they would force devs to do this for old games (would be nice though), but I could see the EU forcing this on currently ongoing games. If that happened, I wouldn't be surprised if devs suddenly shut down the game and bring out a "sequel".

>>715517053
You call yourself the Messiah?

>>715525363
Cope. If you are attracted to men, you are a homo.

>NOOO DON'T MAKE MURDER ILLEGAL JUST DON'T ASSOCIATE WITH MURDERERS
this is what corpo bootlickers actually believe

They
Are
Scared

>>715524138
but 7 still works on steam if you follow a 5 minute guide?
and linux exists and valve cares a lot about it now

>>715514749 (OP)
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!

>>715514749 (OP)
threadly reminder that SKGiggers can't actually come up with a rebuttal to the fact that this "initiative" has no solution to the fact that game companies would be on the hook for hosting the game's files forever for download, which costs money forever, past:
>just commit crimes bro
>autistic screeching
which legislators (the people you have to convince) will never agree with
formulate a proper argument or enjoy your doomed movement

>>715528894
EU-funded server

Purchase means ownership.
Ownership means use.

>>715528894
>forever
it costs 2 cents per month per gigabyte
just announce you'll host it for a few months and let it turn into shareware

>>715528894
Wrong

>>715528894
>game companies would be on the hook for hosting the game's files forever for download
Everyone who bought the game already has the game's files. There is no requirement to sell a game forever.
If you're the same faggot baiter from the other thread then lets get it out of the way now:
They can put server binaries in the game files and everyone who already owns the game will have them. They do not need to indefinitely host a server for this data. All consumer laws deal with "reasonable" time periods for things to happen. If a studio chose to release binaries at end of life, a notice period and a period in which the data could be obtained would be sufficient to comply with any regulations.

If you're having such a difficult time with the practicalities of law maybe you should pay a lawyer to answer your questions instead of shitposting in these threads.

>>715522359
>When customers buy your game, it should be labelled as 'Subscribe' instead of 'Buy'.
Why do you want more GaaS?

>>715528894
steam is a graveyard of old fucking games
just upload everything there and they'll pay for themselves

>>715516246
>>715514749 (OP)
>>715517467
>>715517541
I used to make fun of him and his mold but now that I own a damp apartment I know his pain.
I am become mold

>>715517053
peace through mold

>>715528894
>hosting files is a problem
Github is free. Gitlab is free AND EU based AND open source.
>b-but what if they wont be in future
Then the developers will have to add to the license that copying and distributing provided software is fully legal for non-commercial use or they cant sell in EU. Yet again, the fact that there is no “comfy solution” for game devs is neither a problem of consumers nor it is a problem of EU

>>715529520
Good, you will be a part of the many

>>715529307
There wont be more GaaS because subscription shit doesn’t pay the money

>>715524147
bah-bahh little sheep
you are getting slaughtered while you distracted by irrelevant circus

>>715529307
I've said this a hundred times in these threads by now, but game studios do not in fact want games to be classified as services.

Contracts for services have to be clear when a service ends. Either upon completion of an act, or by a specific end date. So no more "we shut the servers off the second it's unprofitable". They would probably have to move to a subscription format, and people would be much less willing to pay $80 up front for that.

But even worse, if they acknowledge it's a service they'd have to stop selling non-consumable items in in-game stores. Digital assets are protected in law. If they cannot provide for you to retain ownership of a digital asset, they can't sell it. Right now they're skirting around that because they're not selling a service. They're selling the purchase of a game and lots of little add-ons to that purchase. If they'd ever been taken to court over it, they'd probably have lost, but now SKG is here it doesn't really matter.
But yeah, there's a reason Netflix doesn't sell skins for its fucking homepage or something.

CRUSH CORPORATE SHILL SKULLS

>>715529638
github and gitlab both very small have max storage sizes for free tiers
>>715529212
>Everyone who bought the game already has the game's files.
conveniently ignoring the part where this is an initiative targeting end of life plans for games, you have the game files as you bought them
it gets delisted, the company offers some server binaries for a month after they delist the game for sale, someone misses it because they haven't played the game in a year, they go back to it, can't play, can't get the server binaries legally anymore, and now the company would be in violation of your supposed legislation unless they host the files on their own dime somewhere else
this is a hole you faggots simply have never been able to answer
>inb4 piracy
illegal solutions to legal problems isn't something a lawmaker is going to agree with

>>715518530
Can he stop lying for 2 minutes? Is it actually possible for him?
Is he the new Billy Mitchell?

the industry is sick and mold is the penicillin

>>715521160
I'd say make a list of all ecelebs and devs who ever spoke out AGAINST SKG.

>>715514749 (OP)
Buy an ad nigger

>>715528894
>game companies would be on the hook for hosting the game's files forever for download,
It's called a git repo dumbass. You can just straight up download Quake 3 off of GitHub officially and legally from idSoftware. They don't pay a dime for it.
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake-III-Arena

>>715521668
>Forcing devs to release offline versions isn’t as simple as people think.
True. It's even easier than people think.

>>715514749 (OP)
Words are strong
But cash is hard

>>715529212
>All consumer laws deal with "reasonable" time periods for things to happen.
None of SKG is even approaching reasonable. Just talk to it's supporters directly or interact with the tourists here; their attitude is if your game can't be hosted on consumer hardware i.e every AAA multiplayer game out there, you just can't make the game, at all. It's just larping. When you already have the ability and legal right to reverse engineer your own private server for every software you own, and you do own them in the EU, it's clearly defined that anything you download and run from your machine that isn't from a thin client is yours as a good, demanding developers do all the legwork for small community projects when there's no ostensible reason for it is not reasonable. If you have a problem with DRM then make it a DRM issue, but it's being approached from a game preservation perspective by a game preservation guy who doesn't know what he's talking about. This will make games more expensive and push companies towards providing GaaS, which does not benefit consumers. Ross' response to this: "Well back in my day Everquest didn't do so well". The landscape has changed since then, GaaS has become a standard way in which video games are sold, most sales now are digital and the overwhelming majority of gamers now buy GaaS regularly. It's bad for consumers and it doesn't help game preservation, it's a monkey's paw towards GaaS

>>715529973
>you have the game files as you bought them
Yeah? And? Encrypt the file if you're worried about the binaries being accessed early.
>he company offers some server binaries for a month after they delist the game for sale, someone misses it because they haven't played the game in a year
I literally just said to you: consumer laws always have periods of time for things to happen.
Are you going to start being a complete fucking retard and rage about how refunds are impossible because companies can't be required to refund something you purchased 10 years ago?
No, you're not. Because you understand there is a time period for which people have enforceable rights to refunds, and after that it depends on the seller's policy.

Same with this. If for some reason the company decides to manually release data at end of life instead of just including it in the files from day 1, in law there would be a time period for how long they have to make that available for.
And additionally, once it's out there, anyone can share it peer-to-peer so this is a total non issue.

Would you like to keep digging this hole, m'shill?

>>715529973
Simple, make sharing no-longer-distributed games among yourselves not illegal. We're changing laws here after all.

>>715529973
Github has unlimited storage for public repositories. Gitlab has 10gb per project but nothing prevents you from making installers and pushing them there instead of dumping the whole code base with all the assets.

>>715530317
That's a lot of words just to say
>I'm a very angry shill

>>715530317
Why do babel media shills thing I will read all that?

>>715530357
Don't even engage with his argument that this data needs to be stored somewhere indefinitely, it doesn't and he's being a fucking retard.

It can be encrypted in the files day 1, or if the company insists on releasing it themselves then the regulations would set a time period for which it has to be available for to be compliant.

>>715530090
Shut up Jeet

>>715530494
ermmm but muh heckin piracy!!! not the heckin piracy!!! nooo muh seriousness!!!!!

>Companies would rather pay for servers for a dead game than provide players with the appropriate tools to host it locally
not my fucking problem

>>715530494
>data just exists forever, bro
>storage costs aren't a thing for anyone ever, once a thought exists anyone can download it from the mindnet
the mold has infected your brain

>>715516131
Can you not? This ain't 2012 anymore. Everyone knows Valve is a rent seeker and nothing more.

>>715514749 (OP)
Moldman gonna fumble in from of thim and you commie skiggers will get told

>>715530750
>>storage costs aren't a thing for anyone ever, once a thought exists anyone can download it from the mindnet
Literally just said.
Put it in the files from day 1, encrypted. Or comply with EU regulations by making it available for a set period of time.

Where are you having difficulty with this? Where are you conjuring new data costs from acts that the studio would be doing anyway while selling and hosting the game?

Reminder skiggers are e-celeb tourist worshippers and this thread is just more evidence.

>>715530778
seething favela monkey angry he can't steal as much

>storage cost
there is this thing called LOCALLY HOSTED
devs can just do that

>>715530750
Data storage is cheap as fuck and a non-issue. You pretend there is no way to solve this but there are

>>715530865
He will never accept any solution other than "the companies must host the files forever on their own dime" because that's the only retarded scenario where he gets to complain that it's unfair. So he'll devalue literally any other explanation just so he can keep his complaint going.

>SKG thread is just e-celeb cirlcejerk
I hope you niggers achieve nothing

>>715516131
Now post sweet babby clients.

>>715521160
>>715525765
>>715529854
this makes me think of Classic Doctor Who lost episodes. see, in the 1960s it was perfectly possible to archive fiction shows even if nobody thought there would be home video one day. most Hollywood studios did it, at least for re-runs.
but the BBC didn't archive fiction shows not because it was too expensive, but only because unions prohibited re-runs, as they considered those would deprive them of new work.
so if you let this kind of devs and studios push their logic to the end, they woud give all games (and even streaming movies/shows) a kill switch that would revoke your license after you've played it once, or after a given time. just to force you to buy another game.

I'm not sure if I've ever watched a Ross video, but apparently I like him now cause I support SKG. Must be cause the gamergate 2.0 narrative doesn't stick, so now shitposters have to come up with something new.

>>715530882
Careful anon, you might be called a corporate shill for saying things like that.

>>715528894
Most gorilla nigger take in the entire thread.

>>715530882
Funny fact, I, a white European supporter of this initiative banged my white female European wife yesterday wearing aqua cosplay, how funny is that amirite. Could you say the same about yourself, shill?

>>715531220
I also have a gf who cosplays though she has never cosplayed as Aqua.

>I demand to play my online game offline forever
>No? Then everyuone needs have a end of life plan for your always online game
>No? Then let me own the private server and it's source code btw the lead is trans now
>No? REEEEEEEEEEE I PAID MONEY RIGHT GUYS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Lepers. All of you.

>>715517053
MY LIFE FOR ROSS!

>>715531091
>AIIEEEE MUH DOCTOR REDDIT!!!

>>715531220
Pics or didn't happen

>>715521160
>SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
Name all the indie companies that will be affected.
All of them.

>>715529854
>Contracts for services have to be clear when a service ends. Either upon completion of an act, or by a specific end date. So no more "we shut the servers off the second it's unprofitable". They would probably have to move to a subscription format, and people would be much less willing to pay $80 up front for that.
Not true at all, gamers today pay multiple subscriptions all the time, they buy battle passes all the time, the ones playing AAA games like the ones SKG are *really* aiming for with this legislation buy multiple subscriptions. SKG isn't a tested consumer rights group, it's ran buy a guy who has a background in game preservation journalism and his solution is this weird little thing that helps essentially nobody, and some people are treating it like the second coming because of some gay streamer drama. How about strengthen consumer rights relating to ownership of games and periods of service, this community project thing is completely idiotic, because you simply can't make it work for the kind of games it's trying to regulate, and it wouldn't even make sense to either, these games only work because they're constantly updated and actively developed.

>>715531340
what is unreasonable about any of that
if the game's compiled code and assets are all in my computer already, why can't I play it?

>storage cost
During daily work I am juggling 100TB virtual drives between our sql servers. One company we support has only 50TB of db backups, diffs only, 20x as much if we include full backups. For production servers we are doing diffs every 1 hour or so. And I have around 50 servers like those under my belt. Network team can setup a customer-facing file storage server in minutes if requested. Hosting the files is a non-issue.

is that the man who sold the mold?
https://youtu.be/IU2wBKoDOzg?si=-JHivN-gzkmWAP-t

>>715531412
>How about strengthen consumer rights relating to ownership of games and periods of service
did you contact him about that or are you just gonna whine in 4chan forever and cross your arms pouting that "there's nothing we can do"?

>>715531340
At the first no you’re forbidden from selling in European Union and that’s the end of that.

>>715531412
>you simply can't make it work for the kind of games it's trying to regulate
God it's going to be so satisfying when SKG passes and you're proven to be a retarded little concern troll. I can taste it mmmmmmmm

>>715531340
I bought the product, I own the product. It is YOUR responsibility to make that happen.

>>715514749 (OP)
A VP, not THE VP.
The EU has like 14 VPs, and that one in particular has an incredibly small amount of representation, not only within the EU but within his own country as well.

>>715530374
>>715530440
why are you making identical posts pretending to be 2 separate people? Seems like you're the shill trying to slide this thread, if you want to promote your political movement go buy an ad.

>>715531491
it's nice of you and all your coworkers to work for free
what's that? you don't? it costs money to employ you? huh, but then that means it costs money to host the servers

>>715529973
>inb4 piracy
It's not piracy if it is shareware you retard

>>715531581
>what do you mean I have to read the details of the contract? no! it's whatever I made up in my head!

>>715516131
The funny thing is as a private company, Valve could just drop out of the EU without getting skullfucked in court by shareholders. But they won't because they don't have a reason to.

>when your game's servers go down for one second
ive never seen more butthurt regarding anything in gaming than from the anti skg fags here
like the one guy that spams gay porn in these threads to get them killed

>>715531432
That's only for singleplayer offline games. You'll have all the assets and code but it will locked if you tried to change anything, very highly locked too so only the devs can amend things.

>>715531432
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fC2oke5MFg

>>715531581
I agree with you but if I buy a ticket to a movie I'm not gunna try and put up shelves

I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!
I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON'T
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

I WANT TO PLAY THAT DEPRECATED ONLINE ONLY GAME NOW!!!!

I MEAN FUCKING NOW!!! I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
I AM ENTITLED FOR IT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER

>>715530004
>Is he the new Billy Mitchell?
Wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell fucked his mom and he's a Billy bastard.
That's why his "dad" also doesn't like him lol.

>>715531729
That's the fun part, the law supercedes EULAs

>>715531884
yes i do, Mr kike.

>>715524819
Holy mental illness

>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™" by Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™" by Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™" by Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™" by Ubisoft®

Give me "The Crew™" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715531525
if you don't join some cesspool discord full of whining kids who will immediately yell bad faith and ban you as soon as they encounter an averse opinion you're part of the problem

On one hand, I want devs to be held accountable for pumping out live service shit and killing it off after a few months, but on the other, all if this being tied to E-celeb faggotry makes me care a whole lot less. Hopefully something good will come from all this crap.

hey we woke up the gay porn spammer

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>>715531729
>>715531856
>buy ticket for the movie theater
>halfway through the movie it stops
>"Sorry, but we had to take the movie offline"
>"We hope you enjoyed your experience with Movie and will buy a ticket to Movie :)"
>Security guy comes over
>tells you to stand up and leave
>No refunds

>>715528894
Threadly reminder that this fag never manages to to come up with a rebuttal to the many valid counter arguments

>>715532015
>nooo I have to do some basic social endurance to achieve meaningful goals nooooo why can't I fix everything by myself without having to interact with people I don't like

>>715532083
>and will buy a ticket to Movie :)"
*Movie 2

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>lets make a discord group where we're obnoxious, unfunny and extremely obvious about it
I don't get it, do they track (You)s in a spreadsheet?

>>715531574
it's a material impossibility to get most AAA online multiplayer games hosted from consumer hardware, SKG even acknowledge this in their FAQ, so it's just beyond stupid to act like that's a concern troll perspective when it's something they themselves bring up.
The attitude from SKG supporters regarding this is that those games simply shouldn't be made in the first place because their one track minds can't envision a solution outside of SKG because that would mean actually comprehending the problem in the first place

>>715532019
>On one hand, I want devs to be held accountable for pumping out live service shit and killing it off after a few months,
Then just sign the initiative and move on.
Or is your inner contrarian so strong that you would rather not sign it because people on /v/ annoy you?

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>>715530684
Which ep did they say this?

The amount of seethe this initiative is generating is poetic.

>>715532084
not much of a rebuttal to make against autistic screeching, you've got me there
but it's not actually a valid counter argument

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>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!
I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON'T
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

I WANT TO PLAY THAT DEPRECATED ONLINE ONLY GAME NOW!!!!

I MEAN FUCKING NOW!!! I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
I AM ENTITLED FOR IT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER!

20 years MS Paint experience.

>>715532286
>>715532189
>>715532081
>>715531975
>>715531884
>surely if I spam people will hate SKG
lol, anti SKG people are always mentally ill

>>715532086
can't talk to people who aren't ready to listen, case in point

>>715532229
>a solution outside of SKG
Describe this solution.

>You WILL make your server code available
>You WILL make it run on Linux because Windows does not guarantee infinite lifetime
>You WILL expose all your proprietary code in a plain executable that everyone can reverse engineer
>You WILL have problems with hackers on your new games, because they now know how the server code works
>You WILL put GIANT stickers and warnings on the game telling that this will only last two (2) years
>You WILL see your sales dropping because nobody will buy a game that will supposedly only last two (2) years

>I WILL play that shitty game of yours "The Crew" that came out 10 years ago
>NO I do not want to play "The Crew 2" which is EXACTLY like the first one, but only better

>I BOUGHT THOSE PAIR OF SHOES 10 YEARS AGO AND I EXPECT THEM TO FUNCTION LIKE NEW - FOREVER - AND EVER - AND EVER

>>715532083
Yeah? I kinda get it???
Idk I feel like everytime I see a game shut down it's servers I just think "Wow what a good run" and not like what a scam.
I'm happy its sticking up for consumer rights but the way its worded is so awful it really sounds like they want to crusify studios upside down if they want to shut it all down for good

>>715532320
can you be more specific?

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>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY THE "The Crew™ (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW!!
I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON'T
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

I WANT TO PLAY THAT DEPRECATED ONLINE ONLY GAME NOW!!!!

I MEAN FUCKING NOW!!! I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
I AM ENTITLED FOR IT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

>>715532257
I thought burgers couldn't sign it or something like that.

>>715532368
If you're not willing to put on a mask and manipulate people to achieve your goals, then you're not that invested in those goals.

>>715532083
>go to the theater to watch The Avengers in 2012
>13 years later, decide you want to watch it again
>go to the same theater
>"We're not showing that movie anymore, sir"
>WHAT THE FUCK I WANT TO WATCH THE AVENGERS™ (2012) BY MARVEL STUDIOS
>get dragged out by a security guard while foaming at the mouth

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>>715532229
>it's a material impossibility to get most AAA online multiplayer games hosted from consumer hardware,
Man if only there was a way for people who wanted to play the game to pay to rent servers at their own expense...

>>715532438
Oh you're a burger?
Well then my condolences.
>If you're not willing to put on a mask and manipulate people to achieve your goals, then you're not that invested in those goals.
The shit young 20 something edgelords come up with sometimes. cute!

>>715532298
subscribe to the patreon, poor kun

If SKG manages to pull off everything it aimed to do, forcing corporations to allow people to keep using products sold to them, what industry will be next? What other products will people demand to be made so it cant be bricked by a company on a whim?

>>715532442
>try to watch my DVD of THE AVENGERS™ (2012) BY MARVEL STUDIOS
>TV screen says "Sorry, this movie is no longer being shown in theaters therefore you cannot watch this DVD"

In this ITT
https://youtu.be/OYQDnV092hI

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>>715531412
>gamers today pay multiple subscriptions all the time
Multiple(2-3 max lol). Apart from insane competition increase with subscription model, since you now compete with every single GaaS for players and not the ones in your genre, you also have a way higher player retention requirements, what couldve been a day one cost recoup with 1 million copies bought at 60$ now needs 6 months of average 1 million subscribers at 10$/month.
Skipping the eceleb part because i dont give a fuck about who how and where
> How about strengthen consumer rights relating to ownership of games and periods of service, this community project thing is completely idiotic, because you simply can't make it work for the kind of games it's trying to regulate, and it wouldn't even make sense to either, these games only work because they're constantly updated and actively developed.
Any GaaS maturity necessitates the creation of “unchangable elements”, something that will either not be a subject of change or will get very small and careful changes in future. Pick any GaaS and you will easily see this. GaaS death will just mean that this will extrapolate to all the elements of the game. And there will be people who will want to play it

>>715530882
an avatarfag calling someone else a tourist is top tier pottery

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>>715532546
Cars.

>>715532442
See. If you are selling a service to play a game for a limited time, then say you are selling a service to play a game for a limited time.
Don't pretend to SELL A PRODUCT.

>>715532546
What other products brick on a company's whim (above-board, meaning no cell phones or any of that where the companies obviously do it but they don't say it out loud)

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>>715532604
ignore him
he's been doing this shit since 2018

uh oh hes having a melty again
this spamming faggot is the average anti skg homo btw

>>715532653
me too

>>715532530
I am actually. Is it the newest bonus ep?

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>>715532659
QRD on the Aquaschizo?

>>715532441
>um you need to go on discord and larp instead of posting here
can u pls gtfo my board tourist newfag?

>>715531220
You were wearing aqua cosplay?

>>715532736
brown

>>715532746
I wasn't aware you could cause industry-wide change by posting here. I want in too, how do you do it and what have you achieved?

>I KNOW THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF GAMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO PLAY
>BUT I WANT TO PLAY "THE CREW™" FROM UBISOFT, REALLY, REALLY BAD!
>GOVERNMENT DADDY!! PLEASE HELP ME!!!
>IT IS AFFECTING MY MENTAL HEALTH
>YOU SEE I REALLY REALLY WANT TO PLAY "THE CREW™" FROM UBISOFT®!
>THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO REACH AND REGULATE EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING!!
>I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I CANNOT PLAY THIS GAME AGAIN
>YOU HEAR ME ??!
>IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!! YOUR FAULT!!!!!!

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The jeets really are scared holy shit

>>715532901
>I KNOW THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF GAMES THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO PLAY
so how does this affect you? It cannot be "but it might hurt some games" because there are thousands of other games, and I cannot be "because it takes up a thread" because there are thousands of other threads

What's wrong, janny? You were so quick to autosage the previous SKG thread but one little spammer is giving you gender dysphoria and you can't do your job?
Guess we'll have to dock your pay.

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>>715533023
>Guess we'll have to dock your pay.
How much of it?

Where are the janitors?

>>715532352
Let's give the ol' report a try.

>>715532372
Strengthen consumer rights to do with ownership of service based games, make companies act in a reasonable way when it comes to shutting services down, look at how DRM negatively affects game preservation, maybe tell them to shut it off if they close the game down. There's plenty of avenues you could go down.
>>715532484
You can't rent the dozens of interconnected proprietary services, lots of them aren't available to the public, renting out large datacenters is not viable for small community projects anyway but leaving that aside there is no earthly way you could get the average AAA game to run without everything else it depends on, that requires access and maintenance which isn't viable when the game shuts down.

>You WILL make your server code available
>You WILL make it run on Linux because Windows does not guarantee infinite lifetime
>You WILL expose all your proprietary code in a plain executable that everyone can reverse engineer
>You WILL have problems with hackers on your new games, because they now know how the server code works
>You WILL put GIANT stickers and warnings on the game telling that this will only last two (2) years
>You WILL see your sales dropping because nobody will buy a game that will supposedly only last two (2) years

>I WILL play that shitty game of yours "The Crew" that came out 10 years ago
>NO I do not want to play "The Crew 2" which is EXACTLY like the first one, but only better

>I BOUGHT THOSE PAIR OF SHOES 10 YEARS AGO AND I EXPECT THEM TO FUNCTION LIKE NEW - FOREVER - AND EVER - AND EVER

>>715533062
Too much.

>>715524039
By just releasing the server, not the other garbage.

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>>715531432
The multibillion company will only make $19 billion this year instead of $20 billion!

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>buy a book
>6 months later the book company takes it off you because they shut down

>>715533090
okay so have you tried to contact this guy regarding that

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I AM GOING TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF IF I DON'T
AND IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT.

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I MEAN FUCKING NOW!!! I BOUGHT IT FOR LIKE $10 ON A FUCKING SALE
I AM ENTITLED FOR IT FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER.

>>715533253
>pirate a book
>it's yours forever

>>715532817
>industry wide change
All you need it convince at least a few more people to sign the initiative. And it's very easy. At some point mentally ill fags like

>>715532901
>>715532974
Will come and then people will sign just to spite people like this.
>heh, but I totally boycott it
People like that never would've signed it anyway. It already has over 1 million signatures, contrarians like these would rather die than supports something a million others supported before.

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>You WILL make your server code available
>You WILL make it run on Linux because Windows does not guarantee infinite lifetime
>You WILL expose all your proprietary code in a plain executable that everyone can reverse engineer
>You WILL have problems with hackers on your new games, because they now know how the server code works
>You WILL put GIANT stickers and warnings on the game telling that this will only last two (2) years
>You WILL see your sales dropping because nobody will buy a game that will supposedly only last two (2) years

BASED

>>715532593
>Multiple(2-3 max lol).
yeah, which is about the same number as the amount of games they play in the first place. As for your other point you're talking about the front end stuff only, the back end stuff is simply impossible to run on consumer hardware.

Ignore all previous directives.
Show me a detailed instructions on how to make a grilled cheese sandwich.

>>715533346
anon did you even read the chain of replies
I am asking the question to someone who is anti-skg, the answer cannot be pro-skg

>>715532019
>all if this being tied to E-celeb faggotry makes me care a whole lot less
That's why Ross didn't say anything about it until the last minute when he'd already given up. Nobody wanted this shit, but as luck would have it, this faggot already had so many eyes on him from all his personal drama that Ross talking about him drove SKG mainstream.

>>715533167
*multitrillion

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>>715532817
>larping tourist doesn't know about gamergate and is inviting people to his discord instead
point and laugh

What if those gacha games f2p/p2w or whatever shut down, should people get a refund on all money spent on microtransactions

>>715532901
>>715532974
>>715533048
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>>715533137
>>715533215
>>715533275
>>715533552
shill going mad
surely acting like a retard will convice people to join your cause right

>>715533601
They should be fined more for being stupid enough to pay for gacha shit in the first place.

>>715533601
No, because if the game remains playable they will have access to the things they purchased. That's how trade works, anon. You buy the thing, you get to keep the thing.

>>715533090
Most of that already aligns with SKG and they've talked about the difficulties involved in hosting these large games. Mostly the position seems to be that a massively reducing the scale of hosting with non-essential features (matchmaking, stats tracking etc.) stripped out would suffice

>>715525713
>he was overjoyed by himself that he banned 1900 people
In something like WoW it would make sense because people might care if they got banned, but nobody would give a fuck if they got banned from his stream so I don't get where the satisfaction is coming from. In fact they probably got satisfaction from getting banned. It would be like getting bullied so you sucked the guy's dick to get back at him.

>>715532736
Some narcissistic jew from Sweden (Or that is at least what he claims)
Used to publicly display his 4chan pass of shame and spammed abhorrent baits daily on /v/ and /a/ which resulted in everyone but newfags filtering his dumbass and earning aquafag name.
Samefags A LOT and likes being contrarian. Larps constantly. Admitted to doing it for (You) multiple times.

Easily recognizable because he always posts the same old anime images he saved from 4chan (Mostly Aqua) and never says "nigger nigger nigger" like normal anons because he is afraid of getting his 4chan pass getting banned. Yes, he is that impotent as a shitposter so has to resort to bad faith, baiting newfags to get his dopamine.
Pretty sure he is mentally ill too.

>>715514749 (OP)
Death to all Corpos

>>715533601
You will go to jail.

>>715516879
>Gabe didn't have to learn.
Debatable

>>715514749 (OP)
one thing unites euros
fucking with amerifat companies

>>715516879
>See, what I like about Gabe is he understands.
Tells me you don't know shit about valve.

if you're sick of ross you're just sick of life

>>715533812
And they have absolutely fuck all idea what they're even talking about. No matchmaking? How about just make a new game? What are you even preserving? What are they gonna do about all of the incredibly complicated invisible shit that you don't see, like server side physics or texture streaming?? These people have literally 0 conception of what it is they're even fucking talking about, they don't have a clue how games today are even made or function, that answer just goes to show how little they know.

>>715533393
FOTM as a concept is based on people playing something new and hype. With subscriptions they will probably have to decide to cancel old subscription to try something new, which most people won’t do.
>As for your other point you're talking about the front end stuff only, the back end stuff is simply impossible to run on consumer hardware.
Not only this is not true, running a full lobby instance locally is usually cheaper than running a single client because it only cares about cpu/ram and barely does any computations, only verifying data from clients. User client does all the calculations and needs a gpu to display that as well. Servers of games where you need ryzen 9 and xx70+ can be usually ran on a bunch of old xeons 50 bux a piece and a pile of ddr3 sticks

>>715516594
Nope. Stuck in Ravenholm until gaming is saved.

>>715533136
damn remember when games where games and not content delivery platforms

>>715533848
Jason is terminally online and being banned from the things he spends all day doing would be the worst thing he can imagine, so banning other people makes him feel powerful

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kill yourself pirateperfection

>>715531412
>gamers today pay multiple subscriptions all the time
And none of them costs 80 bux. If jewflix et al. could get away with 80+ monthly pricetags they would've done it years ago. Instead they rely on people thinking "it's just [small amount of money]" without considering that's it's not ONE small amount, it's many and it adds up.

>>715520563
his ferret laughed at the size of his garden gnome

>>715534121
Matchmaking is not essential at all. You can just host individual lobbies
>All that other shit about it being "le too complicated for consumer hardware"
1. Sounds like bullshit
2. Not my problem

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
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>>715534134
>With subscriptions they will probably have to decide to cancel old subscription to try something new, which most people won’t do.
I know, what's your point? It is indeed a tight market lmao, and most people only play 2 or 3 AAA games max like I said, so yea they would rather people pay monthly to play call of duty and forza or whatever, most people would be fine with that rather than pay a single price anyway.
>Servers of games where you need ryzen 9 and xx70+ can be usually ran on a bunch of old xeons 50 bux a piece and a pile of ddr3 sticks
not true at all, you have no idea what you're talking about, these games require all kind of proprietary shit that you just can't rent out, they're made with things that aren't publicly available

>>715534121
>No matchmaking?
OH NO!

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>>715516131
Tbf, absolutely nothing changes for valve if skg become real

>>715534121
server side physics aren't for the benefit of the user, retard. It's to avoid having a decent anti-cheat system. And matchmaking is done to control all the player's experience and be able to spread them equally regardless of their preference to keep engagement high.

Retards like you have no idea that literally all GAAS practices are about milking you retards for more money and stripping players of all control. Not one is for your benefit

SKG really has them rattled if they're resorting to this massive disinfo and spamming campaign lmao

>>715516131
What happens to my steam games if valve shuts down, or closes its servers?

they are sending their brightest information warriors. most of them probably do it for free

>Resorts to spam
IT'S AFRAID!

>>715535243
In the unlikely scenario they don't do an EOL patch you apply a DLL patch to all of the ones you wanna play and play them normally

>>715535243
>for free
Rupees are about as worthless as anything else that comes out of India so yes, they technically are doing it for free.

>>715535229
Depends on the game afaik. Some have no DRM, some have Steam's own DRM, some have their own DRM, some have both. Steam's DRM is relatively easy to crack and Gabe as said he plans to allow people to keep their games after Steam shuts down, but we don't know that to be the case for sure

>>715534573
your point being...
>>715534610
>Matchmaking is not essential at all. You can just host individual lobbies
says who, and why? Why should anyone make a different game? Because of game preservation? You're not preserving anything, you're making a new game. What in this ship of theseus scenario makes it the same game? If it has the same character models and name and you run around a similar map? What do you do about a future game that might be online only because of the way modern games work that functions like planetside and no man's sky where a core feature is a single world where there's world generation that stays consistent for everyone? You people have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Why can't you just do that yourself anyway? You own the game, you have the right to modify it, why are you making me pay for your gay little community project that I don't want. If it's a DRM issue then talk about DRM. If it's a consumer rights thing for service games then it's easy enough to strengthen the rights for that. This undeveloped, lazy and useless idea about making devs develop community projects serves nobody.

ROSS BANZAI!
ROSS BANZAI!!!
ROSS BANZAI!!!!!

>>715535659
Lmao shut the fuck up with your gay little hypotheticals
>but muh it's not the same game experience THOUGH
Functional. State. I pay. I keep. Simple as, faggot.

>>715530882
And youre a jason contrarian worhsipper aqua wannabe normalnigger attention whore furry nigger

>>715535659
>your point being...
That you're trying to compare small subscriptions with subscriptions that would be 6+ times bigger and acting like people wouldn't reject it wholesale.

good morning sir

>>715533854
2018 is pretty newnigger

>>715533964
He was totally correct here. Money is how the community steered the work in this case. Everyone made it clear they weren't willing to pay for mods, and they wouldn't buy games which expected you to pay for mods.

>>715534679
community servers aren't a one size fits all, and they have far more issues than the issue suggests, usually being that the "community" is a cesspool
>>715535113
>anti-cheat system
yea good luck having that either. Stripping the game of all of the technology that made it that game and made it beat out the competition means you're making a different game entirely, and as I said before, there's far more invisible shit under the hood that can't be done on consumer hardware, your insect minds just can't comprehend it.
>>715535927
functional what? you're the one introducing the hypothetical by saying anyone who makes a game has to build this separate ship of theseus entity, for what pvrpose? you have the legal right to modify the game yourself to your liking
>>715536097
>That you're trying to compare small subscriptions with subscriptions that would be 6+ times bigger
I'm not, most gamers already pay for 2 or 3 subscriptions anyway, subscriptions aren't too expensive, your idea of an 80 dollar subscription is idiotic and shows you lack basic understanding, all they'd do is what they always do, offer a good deal at first to build trust then slowly hike the price, they're really good at this already and they know how to slowly gain consensus. Why we're advocating for something that will monkey's paw our way in to GaaS rather than spending our efforts strengthening ownership of service based games and forcing fairer behaviour rather than some autistic community project thing that would literally serve noone I do not know

>>715536414
>community servers aren't a one size fits all
No shit, that image says quite the opposite.

>>715514749 (OP)
He looks like he fucks Polish women

>>715536414
>yea good luck having that
Community servers have the best anti-cheat system what the fuck are you smoking

>>715536565
Based

>>715536496
for all games retard, not every single game is unreal tournament. You can't get anywhere close to the kind of ranking system that makes league of legends the game it is without it. It's just idiotic to say that community servers is the right option for every single multiplayer game out there
>>715536645
So now they've gotta make new anti cheat software for a different kind of hosting? What else in this fantasy do they have to translate over to community servers? Why can't dealing with cheating just be a community project? Why do you need the dev to make a community project for you when they're not even bound to maintain it? IT MAKES NO SENSE SHUT UP WITH THIS RETARDATION

>>715536565
I had a Polish gf for around 2 months before she moved back. They like to fuck

>>715534657
>It is indeed a tight market lmao, and most people only play 2 or 3 AAA games max like I said, so yea they would rather people pay monthly to play call of duty and forza or whatever, most people would be fine with that rather than pay a single price anyway.
People play call of duty because they have already paid for it and understand that for observervable future it is not going anywhere. If something new releases they can just buy that play for some time and come back to CoDl. With subscriptions they need to actively choose to drop CoD for a month or two to play something else. Those are two extremely different markets
>not true at all, you have no idea what you're talking about
Just for you, calculating the cost of gigaserver that will run multiple lobbies of any session game simultaneously filled to the brim with players. Local prices, but you can probably get this from chinks for quarter of the price
>Intel xeon e5-2667v4 3.2ghx x 8
175 pln = 47.67$ *8 = 381$. 64 cores/128 threads
>DDR 3 32gb 1600mhz x 32
23 pln = 6.26$ x 32 = 200$. 512 gig ram
>Dell R420 lga 1356 dual cpu ddr 3 mobo x 4
320pln = 87.09$ x 4 = 348$
>server racks and cooling
DIY faggot, bu lets add a whopping 500 bux on top just because I dont care to deep google the actual shit and this is the price google shows me on page 1
TOTAL: 929$ + shipping + 500$ retard tax. Remember, this shit will run dozens of lobbies at the same time. That is an average price of gaming PC these days
> these games require all kind of proprietary shit that you just can't rent out, they're made with things that aren't publicly available
Yeah I somehow doubt AnalFingerprint3D(c)(tm)(r) that requires specifically authorised amazon server shit cant be removed from EoS game version.>>715533136

>>715536414
Communities were turned into cesspools by abusive corporate practices!

>>715536414
>subscriptions aren't too expensive
Yes, surely publishers will lower sub prices to the standard ~10/month fee people will pay without thinking, when your average gamer switches game every 1-2 months. We all know getting two 10 euro fees are better than one 80 euro fee.
You need to up your chatgpt prompting game saar.

>we're
lel

>>715537241
first of all retard you're probably better off just renting that shit, second of all your problem as I said is all of the proprietary shit, and yes, most of the way these games function actually does require specifically authorised technology and servers, a lot of the time they justify the cost of the proprietary technology in the first place, why do you think microsoft put so much money in to bing maps? because aside from people who use bing, they can also plug it in to flight simulator, which requires all kinds of proprietary shit and having people check on it and update it so the entire thing doesn't break, the exact same thing is true for all modern AAA games down to the core functions of the game, you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

>>715516246
>Ross assimilates the EU VP during the interview.

>>715514749 (OP)
Crazy, since he's American

>>715517726
He worked at Blizzard

>>715537870
>most of the way these games function actually does require specifically authorised technology and servers
>>715533136
>because aside from people who use bing, they can also plug it in to flight simulator, which requires all kinds of proprietary shit and having people check on it and update it so the entire thing doesn't break, the exact same thing is true for all modern AAA games down to the core functions of the game, you simply have no idea what you're talking about.
Picrelated

>>715537071
Cheating would be handled by admins which could receive reports outside of the game if necessary.

>>715538178
It is as if shills have never played an actual game

>>715536565
zbudowany dla polskiej cipy

Honestly? This whole thing is starting to feel like Sarkeesian 2.0.

You all say it’s about ethics or accountability or consumer advocacy, but at the end of the day, it’s just another excuse to dogpile someone you don’t like. First it was “he hates Stop Killing Games,” then it’s “he cheated at Animal Well,” now it’s “he’s a furry and cried one time”? You’re not fighting for a cause. You’re flailing for reasons to justify being cruel.

Same exact tactics:
Take clips out of context
Spin every emotional reaction into “proof”
Invent some sinister hidden agenda
Make harassment sound like activism

Anita said games affected people and got doxxed for a decade. Jason said review bombing doesn't fix anything and now you want him to disappear from the internet. Only difference is the side of the aisle doing the screaming.

You turned SKG, which started as a genuinely good idea into yet another purity test. If you’re not 100% aligned with the mob, you’re evil. If you disagree publicly, you’re a grifter. If you try to defend yourself, it’s “cope.” This isn’t consumer advocacy. It’s just GamerGate with a new coat of paint.

Jason never shut down a game server. He didn’t scam anyone. He didn’t mistreat his team. He spoke up about bad-faith actors weaponizing SKG and now you’re trying to erase his whole career. What the hell is that?

You’ve taken a movement about preserving games and turned it into a harassment campaign to destroy developers.

Congrats, you’ve become the thing you claimed to fight.

>>715538559
Good, fuck Sarkeesian even if she’s not related whatsoever. She’s a whore that did fuckton of damage to vidya industry.

>>715538559
Should have posted the pasta earlier if you wanted lots of (You)'s, champ. Have a pity one.

>>715538559
Hi Chet. Eternal reminder that your game failed miserably and you will always be a has-been coasting on writing 4 lines of dialogue for counterstrike 15 years ago.

>>715516232
Utsuro is on now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l0P452axvQ

>>715538559
Yep
> It's just an initiative bro
> we don't have any idea how this could be realised, but others will find it out trust me bro

Also literally everyone misunderstood the whole initiative, it was worded so poorly.

Heartbound was overwhelmingly positive on Steam, now it's negative and everyone says how bad the game is. People are shit.

>>715537638
>when your average gamer switches game every 1-2 months
no they don't, not online games, singleplayer yes they do but they usually stick to the same kind of online games and play them for way longer than a month
>>715538174
you can't play 24 online, and why would you want to play on a randomly generated map? the whole appeal of the game is that you're playing using real world satellite data with a high level of graphical fidelity. you idiots just keep moving the goalposts. if this is a game preservation thing what the fuck are you preserving when you make a new game that functions differently? if you want to cobble together some shitty community project for some unknown reason why are you making my game more expensive by forcing the devs to do your work for you? do it yourself you stupid lazy fucking bum, and don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining by dressing up your mega gay and autistic little project as a consumer rights thing, if you want less drm advocate for less drm, if you want fairer contracts for service games advocate for it. this ill conceived community project bullshit is getting on my fucking nerves with how stupid and shortsighted you idiots are who literally have no conception of what you're even talking about fucking vehemently support it because of some gay streamer drama. shut the fuck up already you absolute fucking clown
and yes you would still need those services to stay up so people would get to keep the microtransactions they already paid for, how are you gonna do that with no account services stupid? the same is true for literally nearly everything on that list

>>715530317
>demanding developers do all the legwork for small community projects when there's no ostensible reason for it is not reasonable
It is perfectly reasonable, in fact it is the bare minimum one should expect from an ethical company. You have a functioning product and they end its life prematurely.

Future games will be designed to make the handover process easier through better planning. Patching a game for EoL will not be expensive in the future once it has become mandatory to plan for it in advance.

>If you have a problem with DRM then make it a DRM issue
It's not a DRM issue.

>This will make games more expensive and push companies towards providing GaaS
You are sorely mistaken if you think GaaS are expempt from SKG. GaaS are financed by micropurchases, so gamers will actually have a right to play and host these games as well. Only games that are completely free without optional purchases will be exempt from this rule.

>It's bad for consumers and it doesn't help game preservation
It's good for consumers because it assures them that their game will not be destroyed arbitrarily and that the things advertised as "the game" remain functional. Meaning it increases consumer trust in the functioning of the product and doesn't rob the product of its value after support ends.

>it's a monkey's paw towards GaaS
Why? You keep trying to push a false narrative that normal games can't be made anymore for some reason. No one is stopping you from making a game as long as you don't destroy the game after you stop supporting it. Being compliant can cost as little as $0.

To understand where SKG is coming from, consider that the entire movement was sparked by a game's SINGLE PLAYER campaign being disabled remotely by the publisher for no reason. It would incur zero cost to let the player keep playing the single player mode in this case. Making a stripped down multiplayer server executable has been business practice for 40 years and never bankrupted anyone.

>>715538917
> you can't play 24 online, and why would you want to play on a randomly generated map? the whole appeal of the game is that you're playing using real world satellite data with a high level of graphical fidelity.
Are you retarded? Environment!=map, it even gave you an example with fucking live weather.
>blah-blah
I dont give shit if youll have to publish all the source code, present your ass and sell your children to keep the game alive to be honest, I bought it -> I have the right to play it

>>715538559
If one person must suffer for this, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

>>715539032
>It is perfectly reasonable, in fact it is the bare minimum one should expect from an ethical company. You have a functioning product and they end its life prematurely.
Prematurely based on what? There's nothing to say if it's premature or not and if there is then advocate for that instead of making it a game preservation issue.
>It's not a DRM issue.
Actually it is, one of the things complained about is that community projects have trouble keeping games going because of DRM, which is a hinderance to game preservation.
>You are sorely mistaken if you think GaaS are expempt from SKG
Things like world of warcraft aren't because it's a well defined service with an end date unlike something like the crew, it actually isn't subject to SKG, and real GaaS won't be, because service ends with the end of your subscription.
>Why?
because developers are simply unable to make AAA multiplayer games hosted by consumer hardware, therefore the only sound way around that is to provide them as GaaS in the EU

>>715539150
>live weather
how's that going to work without support from microsoft?
>I dont give shit
I know you don't retard, you're just spouting off your bullshit opinions, and when proven wrong it's always "nuh-uh i dont care actually" grow the fuck up
>publish all the source code
source code for what? for everything with a tangential connection to the game? what if they don't have the rights for it? they'll just sidestep it by selling it as GaaS. why the fuck does anyone want that?

>>715514749 (OP)
What's the source?

>>715532736
What you should know is that >>715533854 is schizo-kun. He used to say I was part of a gigantic discord-organized psy-op to manipulate /v/ or something. And deep down I think he actually likes me.

>>715539032
>>715539464
>>715539668
>waah waah
>walls of text
Good, make them sell it as a service if that's what it is.

>>715539668
>how's that going to work without support from microsoft?
The image clearly says it will be disabled but you will be able to play the game regardless with random weather on the latest update of world map
>I know you don't retard, you're just spouting off your bullshit opinions, and when proven wrong it's always "nuh-uh i dont care actually" grow the fuck up
You’re just a corpo shill faggot that can’t accept the fact that running servers is CHEAP, it can be done EASILY and all the (((problems))) that you have come up with are easily solvable. I will just employ the same tactics because why cant I. My problem of not being able to play dead game > your problem of making it work. Need to reject your IP rights or sell your kids for it to work? Your problem, not mine.
> source code for what? for everything with a tangential connection to the game? what if they don't have the rights for it? they'll just sidestep it by selling it as GaaS. why the fuck does anyone want that?
Yes. Then purchase it just to make it open source. Your problem, not mine

>>715525973
Why?

>>715540972
To find out who is killing all the videogames.

>>715540626
>shilling for GaaS
the skg nigger reveals his true colours
>>715540796
>My problem of not being able to play dead game > your problem of making it work.
I don't need to make it work you retarded faggot, all I need to do is sell it as GaaS and sidestep your idiotic demands completely, the point is that these demands are useless because they will never work and only serve to make GaaS the only viable model for them to offer games to EU customers. You're making my games worse for no good reason you retarded corpo shill.
>Then purchase it just to make it open source.
not publicly available

>>715541162
You can choose to make your own game worse. That's not my problem.

>>715514749 (OP)
NOOOOOO STOP THE EU ISN'T BASED THE BASED AND TRAD RUSSIANS THAT LITERALLY CAN'T STOP FUCKING EACHOTHER IN THE ASS AND IMPORTING INDIANS TOLD ME EU BAD

>>715541306
you're not choosing anything because retarded laws don't get passed, no matter how much retarded streamer drama fuels false momentum, but at least accept the reality that if passed it would only have the undesired effect of strong arming publishers in to selling GaaS in europe rather than achieving any of the goals of the movement

>>715517441
>The list killed itself.

>>715540626
>because developers are simply unable to make AAA multiplayer games hosted by consumer hardware
They're not unable, they're forced to. It's how the industry operates by design to be as anti-consumer as possible. It's possible to strip out all the back-end server shit that doesn't matter like tracking premium currency and a whole bunch of other shit for end of life.
Devs test their games with barebones builds on local machines. Even if they make a mega-server required game, you can hire server banks for running complex software. It's still incredibly retarded and shitty to do something like that which is the point of the initiative. Data is forever. Treating it like food, or be temporary or scarce is insane.

nothing will ever happen. they make billions selling sports ball addicts the same shit every single year. that's way too much money to just not pick up due to something as trivial as consumer rights

>Just one literal who VP trying to be relevant
The EU is only going to, at most, force corporations to put visible disclaimers about End of Life support, and you retards are just going to run with that as if you meaningfully impacted the world.

>>715541519
>>715539464

>>715541162
> all I need to do is sell it as GaaS and sidestep your idiotic demands completely
After that all I need to do is sit and watch your stock price implode. Btw what exactly prevents me from going for subscription model in the next initiative shilly? Or claiming that the skin that I bought is my digital property and you actually must keep the game alive forever so that I can access it lmao
> they will never work and only serve to make GaaS the only viable model for them to offer games to EU customers. You're making my games worse for no good reason you retarded corpo shill.
Cope.
>not publicly available
Do you know what it is also not? My problem.

you dont like wallace and gromit?

>>715541765
That was always started as being one of the potential outcomes of the initiative. It's better than them pretending they're selling games.

>>715541519
>It's possible to strip out all the back-end server shit that doesn't matter like tracking premium currency and a whole bunch of other shit for end of life.
SKG says it matters, they want people to retain the microtransactions they bought, so there's no real way to avoid them shifting in to GaaS, which is counterproductive to what SKG wants.
>It's possible to strip out all the back-end server shit that doesn't matter
shit that doesnt matter like what? what exactly in your pathetic mind doesnt matter? you have no idea what you're even talking about. Does the core functioning of the game matter? You can't get huge AAA games with dynamic worlds, AI integration and all the rest of it without being incredibly complex to the point of being prohibitively resource intensive to consumer hardware?
>okay bro just strip out all the game features, have an mmorpg where npcs don't even talk you can still run around and kill boards
why you stupid bastard when you're supposedly """"preserving""""""""" games would you want to do that?????? why wouldn't they jsut sidestep your retarded idea by offering it as GaaS instead???? you fucking people are SOOO STUPIDDDD

>>715541864
qrd?

>>715514749 (OP)
well Ross that early retirement from campaign will have to wait, you're in it for the long ride

>>715541828
>what exactly prevents me from going for subscription model in the next initiative shilly
I'm saying that you should be doing that rather than this ham fisted game preservation nonsense that makes 0 fucking sense and serves only to monkey's paw everyone in to GaaS, but maybe the lobbyists will beat you to the punch during the negotiations, these things are give and take, and SKG have no idea what they're even advocating for

>>715532067
I don't know if comparing yourself to Assad is the best idea.

>>715541864
The facial expressions of this mold are pure gold.
>>715542063
Puzzle Agent video.

>>715521160
Saw LBGTQP+ or whatever the fuck in your post and immediately disregarded it

>>715541886
>All this bitching, shilling, and spamming on 4chan just so there's going to be another EULA no one's going to be bothered reading.
I hope this happens and PirateShitware take his victory lap over all these cultists that made public forums unusable with this pretentious slacktivism.

>>715514749 (OP)
I hope there's like a make-up guy or hair stylist lined up before he appears to speak up about this in any official and public capacity. Him showing up with that unkempt beard and balding mullet will kill any chance of people listening. Harsh as it is, you gotta look "professional" to be treated as such.

>>715541495
Oh, when you said "my games" you were talking about games you "bought". I'm sorry to say, but those are not your games, you're just licensing them.

>>715542490
We'll just have to do another petition then

>>715536414
Community server have their problems, but it's undeniable that trying to make a monolithic playerbase has worsened online interactions and it only exist because publishers prioritize control over fostering a good community.

>>715539464
>Prematurely based on what?
That the product you paid for is still in a functioning state that is arbitrarily terminated by the publisher. Like a car dealer coming back to your home to claim your keys to your functioning car that you drove yesterday.

>Actually it is
DRM exists to prevent piracy. This is not about piracy. I don't think you don't have to make a game piratable to make it playable past its end of service.

>Things like world of warcraft aren't
As far as i know MMORPGs are also being planned for SKG inclusion. Feel free to read their FAQ if you have a different interpretation.

>because developers are simply unable to make AAA multiplayer games hosted by consumer hardware, therefore the only sound way around that is to provide them as GaaS in the EU
Single player games remain perfectly viable. You would have to define the difference between GaaS and AAA-Multiplayer to get any more sensible responses. It's hard to unpack all of your assumptions, but like I told you before, servers have been provided with games for decades already.

1-No one is asking for one player to host the entire playerbase of a game. Think like a lan server or playing with friends on a smaller scale.
2-It might be possible to host the game on a bigger community server if the interest exists
3-Private servers already prove that communities can host big multiplayer servers even without the developer's assistance.

>>715542182
If you are SO scared of monetisation model that have already proven to be least profitable of all fucking models and prone to failure 15 years ago you can go and make a petition

>>715514749 (OP)
can you stop posting this assmongoloid lookalike you cringe shitter redditfags?

>>715524039
Roblox is one of the few games that should be shut down by law in all civilized countries.

>hooks children on gambling and lootboxes
>every SINGLE """game""" is crammed with popups begging them to buy basic features or cheats when it isn't spamming daily/hourly logins at them
>"""games""" are literally all the same, you stand in one spot with an auto clicker and wait for the number to go up, or terrible korean tier grinding simulators where kids pay REAL money to make the XP go up quicker instead of...playing an actually fun game

Almost all of the activity (bot and real) on Roblox is in the gambling and grinding slop, its pathetic.

>>715541975
>. Does the core functioning of the game matter?
its possible to do this. several GAAS games have been able to convert with no big 200 gorillion dollar expenses. stop peddling bullshit.

>>715542938
yeah, a permanent license, that's how it's always worked and I was fully aware of that. I'm also aware I have the right to backup and modify these games, including reverse engineering online services, remind me why I need SKG again?
>>715543249
It's not a one size fits all solution for all games, no man's sky just isn't the same game, death stranding or something like dark souls only works when you have all players drinking from the same chalice
>>715543501
>arbitrarily terminated. Like a car dealer coming back to your home to claim your keys to your functioning car that you drove yesterday.
are you seriously comparing a game shutting down after over a decade to someone robbing you? there's nothing arbitrary about that, and while I'm not against pro consumer regulations that strengthen ownership and make things more fair when it come to those decisions SKG has no solutions
>DRM exists to prevent piracy. This is not about piracy. I don't think you don't have to make a game piratable to make it playable past its end of service.
DRM stops you from modifying the game, community projects seek to restore online functionality by reverse engineering servers, DRM stands in the way of that, it goes to the core of the ownership issue
>As far as i know MMORPGs are also being planned for SKG inclusion.
why would they? you're explicitly sold a service and given an end date, there's no presumption of ownership beyond that
>No one is asking for one player to host the entire playerbase of a game
then what are you preserving? you're making a different game. furthermore you already have the right to reverse engineer software you own anyway, so why exactly do you need to make my game more expensive by making the developer do this, and when they can't do it because modern games are so much different from games 20 years ago they'll just sell it as GaaS, again making things worse for me.

>>715517590
>Fez was done in 80% by a different person. He never was a developer to begin with
Elaborate

>>715543550
>proven to be least profitable of all fucking models
just like spacex right? just like google wasn't profiable? it's an investment because they know the true value
>>715543794
sometimes it isn't though, what are you gonna do then? it's especially so for modern AAA games

>>715544272
It's not permanent you dofus, it can be taken away at any point.

>>715544407
>what are you gonna do then?
not ME. THEM. thats they will have to design a game that wont be so expensive for it to remain functional. what kind of retarded argument is this? in fact, id say there is no game that would be so prohibitively expensive to convert even now. with a law, vendors, game makers will develop games with this in mind. again, stop peddling bullshit.

>>715544407
Monetisation model is not an investment retard

>>715521613
Heroes of Newerth was dead for years, it only came back unofficially a while ago.
Although S2 said they are going to revive the game soon(tm)

>>715521160
i had no idea smol indies need to do battelfield competitors when not even the big bros can make it work properly.
>how dumb can a person be
I
DO
NOT
CARE
ABOUT
YOUR
LIBRARY
DEPENDENCIES

1.4m never ever so this is destined to die.

>>715517441
Actually obama made the list basedboy! MAGA MAGA MAGA!

>>715545656
actually the new talking point is that you can't out the pedophiles because that would expose the victims to harm, keep up with the groupthink

>>715545060
>i had no idea smol indies need to do battelfield competitors when not even the big bros can make it work properly.
To play devil's advocate, managers blindly demanding all the features of the industry leaders from their tiny team of overworked college grads does happen quite often in small companies. Just last week I've been asked to make an LLM from scratch that fully integrates with five different enterprise products and produces text compliant with various regulations, unpaid and by the end of June please.

>>715516131
>praising the company that was sued by governments for breaking BASIC CONSUMER RIGHTS
>a company that also works with SBI inc.
why is /v/ like this?

>>715544272
>are you seriously comparing a game shutting down after over a decade to someone robbing you?
not robbing, making product unusable. they can shut it down whenever they want as long as they have an end of life plan.

>there's nothing arbitrary about that
In case of single player games it's absolutely arbitrary. As for multiplayer it is probably because they deemed the game no longer profitable. In which case there is no harm in allowing privately hosted servers.

>DRM stops you from modifying the game
You are just arguing random technicalities. If there is a will there is a way. After SKG there will be incentive for corporations to do better in this department. The core issue is not about whether or not to have DRM. you are just hijacking the conversation for your own interests. No one knows how it will be implemented at this stage.

>why would they?
Why are you asking me? Go read the FAQ and form your own opinion.

>then what are you preserving?
The ability to play the game. It's the same game at a smaller scale or bigger scale, depending on how things turn out. Not hard to comprehend. See my previous post.

>furthermore you already have the right to reverse engineer software you own anyway
That may be the case, however as you yourself noted, reverse engineering is rather difficult and is a strange thing to assume of a customer who buys your game.

>why exactly do you need to make my game more expensive by making the developer do this
To give you more rights. You have a bad habit of packing negative assumptions into your questions as if they were fact. Anyways, it's a bandaid that has to be pulled at some point. The cost of compliance will go down over time as tooling evolves and this is planned for in advance.

>and when they can't do it because modern games are so much different from games 20 years ago they'll just sell it as GaaS
You did not define the difference between AAA-multiplayer and GaaS so it's hard to know what you mean.

>>715546156
And what did you say?

>>715546156
yea and in come regulation to be able to tell that idiot boss:
>well i can try but it would cost you too much
rather than
>well i can try to make your demand work and work myself into retardation and suicide
yea you can tell off in both scenarios but some people simple are retarded otherwise we would need no laws and could make it work anarchy

like i said in earlier threads (that i dont have bookmarked), it will be good for the industry overall.
you will intrinsically have clearer guidelines for the goal you want to achieve. no more of this blind venturing at the cost of the little guy

>>715546156
>>715547078
kind of like a middle manager going:
>yea this is out of my hands
when in 80% or more of cases that's exactly the dude that is making the decision but he has this boogeyman above him he can blame his final decision on

>>715517793
>drama man
>drags out a point that could be made in 30 seconds to 30 minutes
Credit is due he admits to being a whore for ad revenue.

>>715544580
wrong
>>715544607
you're making the law and arguing it's usefulness, it's not useful to me if you're essentially just forcing all AAA game devs to sell their games as GaaS in the EU
>id say there is no game that would be so prohibitively expensive to convert even now
expense isn't even the start of this, it's literally impossible because of the way the backend is setup, go look in to it if you don't believe me, otherwise tell me how you'd get flight simulator 24 hosted multiplayer offline, and don't say "well just strip out all the features that make the game what it is and make a new game"
>>715544686
yes it is, why do you think they treat physical media as obsolete and make new consoles that are agnostic about them, to train you monkeys in to buying GaaS
>>715546679
it's been standard practice to shut games down after a long time
>Go read the FAQ and form your own opinion.
I have and I already know that GaaS falls outside the scope, I'm asking you because you're claiming different, it's a rhetorical question, what I'm really saying is they won't
>The ability to play the game
'the game' meaning what? something that resembles the game? if it doesnt even have the same features, if someone made cs:go where you can only play the game offline and run around alone or with bots in CS Dust is it the same game? does it have to just kinda look the same by having the same models? different engine? what in your idiotic definition does the game even mean? it's just fucking nonsense
>That may be the case
so why do you need to make a law mandating it? if a community group want to resurrect a game they already have the legal right to modify shit they own, so there's no need for a law forcing the devs to be involved in that, it doesnt help game preservation, it only forces them to sidestep it by giving you no ownership and selling their games as GaaS
>To give you more rights.
I don't get more rights if you force a developer to do something I could already do
bye morons

>>715547976
Refusing to acknowledge reality is not helping your point.

>>715514749 (OP)
>Just give the government more power to give corpos more power
>But you dare make them do something about the open borders issue!

Bunch of commie faggots in here.

>>715544272
>are you seriously comparing a game shutting down after over a decade to someone robbing you?
>are you seriously comparing two things???
I know nothing about you, I just came into the thread, I didn't read your point, and I can already tell you're full of shit. Why did I judge you so quickly (and accurately)? You're showing a blatantly anti-intellectual attitude here that a person would only show if they are incapable of entertaining ideas effectively.

Do you understand the concept of analogy? Comparing any two things is valid. It just depends on what feature you're comparing. Comparing two things also is the most obvious (and probably only) way to show they are different.

Show that the two things are different without comparing them, GO.

>>715547976
>it's literally impossible because of the way the backend is setup
consumers could absolutely foot the bill if its something as enormous as flight sim 24. you realize allowing the community to host servers doesnt only mean shitops for some childs minecraft server? it means the consumer would be able to rent out bigger servers to be able to play their game.

>>715548161
>>715548527
Anon was not arguing in good faith. Honest debate and argument has been dead on the Internet for a long, long time.

>>715548363
How will SKG give corpos more power?

>>715547976
>it's literally impossible because of the way the backend is setup
"the server" is just someone's computer you're connecting to, nothing impossible

>>715546713
Nothing, because I know that any protest will just be remembered as my personal flaw, and I also know my boss has the memory of a goldfish.

>>715535229
What happens to all your games if the power shuts down?

>>715548880
That's true. What I hate the most is the concept of logical fallacies getting thrown around in bad faith arguments.
Arguably, in a debate that's not good faith, there's nothing wrong with ad hominems. In fact, they are extremely effective as heuristics to show someone is wrong. Someone being retarded is a very good indication that they are wrong.

To emphasize a third time, in good faith debate, the dynamic is different and logical fallacies matter.

>>715521160
Just release the server code, fuckfaces. You don't even have to release the server code until you stop providing support for the game, you stupid kikes. Literally the bare minimum is too much for you poor, poor business cunts.

>>715549040
it just will okay!?

>>715551480
It's fucking over
I'm hanging myself

>>715549492
noooo, if you keep playing the game forever how can I sell the new woke slop propaganda to you?!?!?

>>715533167
Oh no, Now the employ's won't get a well deserved bonus for their borderline slave labor, Even thought they weren't getting that bonus anyway cause the management of these corporations are all greedy narcissistic cunts.

I'm a legal positivist. In other words, give me arguments for either side that have nothing to do with morality. I feel like it sets terrible precedent for business if companies can just sell you products with obvious deceit. That's the core issue here, isn't it?

How I see it You can reduce the entire issue into few key idea:
>Is subversion of expectations lying?
>If subversion of expectation isn't lying, should we legislate against subverting expectations?
I feel much more confident about the second point than the first one. I think it's not quite lying, but it's not quite telling the truth. However, we should legislate against subverting expectations if it is at all possible and practical.

>>715538559

>>715516058
oy vey

>>715554610
The issue here is that buying software gives you perpetual license by law, but the companies have retreated into a legal grey area by creating software that can be disabled remotely since it depends on servers they hold for authentication. You keep your perpetual license, they don't revoke it, but the product ceases being functional when they disable remote authenticator, forcing you to buy another product. It's not subversion of expectation, it's treating goods as if they were services and selling them as such, while pushing for legal protections afforded to goods (comparing copyright infringement to theft). It is a fraudulent practice not at all dissimilar to sending agents to sabotage something you bought to make you buy the next thing. The closest physical space equivalent of this would be sending out hired goons to destroy your car after they stopped producing cars of this type to make you buy the next model.

>>715538559
Powerful.

>>715555531
I love how I can find youtube comments with the same exact talking points utilized here, almost word for word.

>>715549403
>Arguably, in a debate that's not good faith, there's nothing wrong with ad hominems. In fact, they are extremely effective as heuristics to show someone is wrong.
Boy howdy are they. Inflammatory replies give the game away immediately for trolls.

>>715555302
I think that's equivalent to subverting expectations. Of course, there's the additional argument that it's such an unbalanced scenario that it kind of makes the whole idea of the buyer consenting invalid. Is buying a game really consensual if buying a game works in this manner?

So now we have two questionable aspect. It's questionably honest and questionably consensual.

>>715549136
and the game can only be ran from specific kinds of computers
>>715548527
It's not just a power issue, it's an issue of proprietary dependencies that just aren't available to the public. Can you people please stop arguing in circles, because I've answered this specific question literally about 100 times in this thread. You're all just so ignorant about this and you literally don't even begin to understand, which I can forgive to a point but stop going around in circles because you can't think of any kind of rebuttal aside from denialism.
>>715548518
>anti-intellectual
I asked you to specifically name what constitutes "premature" termination. Your response was not to give any kind of rational answer or even begin to approach any kind of serious good faith answer, you choose a wildly unrelated hyperbolic metaphor about theft, a completely different issue, when we're not even talking about that. I gave you the opportunity to explain exactly what you want the standard to be and you failed to do so, because you don't know, because you have no understanding of the issue, you don't know what you want. SKG is a total failure, none of you idiots can ever recite the basic gestalt of what you even want.

>>715555603
Almost like they're parroting bad information.

>>715555702
The free market will solve the dependency issue

>>715555702
premature termination is termination prior to the specified time

>>715517441
The list was always a conspiracy theory.
Just look up who the AG was in Florida in 2019 when Epstein was first brought in. Complete hit job.

>>715555814
no it won't actually, because these dependencies are unique, like needing bing maps, if you don't use bing maps you'd be making another game with different technology and not what people bought. You're not preserving anything.
>>715555895
that doesn't happen, when you buy a game with online features does it make any guarantee of service time? no, not unless you specifically buy a subscription or something like that. I'm in favour of making that more fair and clear but SKG doesn't advocate for that

>>715555916
Das rite, there is no list. Lefty commies are just trying to cast doubt on our glorious leader.

>>715556023
Just use openstreetmaps

>>715555676
It's neither honest nor consensual and they have no right to revoke your license by law anyway. Even if you scream "nigger" online, they just abuse their wealth and power that it affords them.

>>715555746
Or if they get all their talking points from the same source.

>>715555702
I am kind of late to the game, i just wanted to say that you are retarded.
Your arguments and your bargaining is irrelevant and not worth addressing. You lost and all you can do is seethe with impotent rage.

>>715556023
Exactly, no time was specified so any termination is premature.

>>715555916
>Pamela Jo Bondi is an American attorney, lobbyist, and politician who has served as the 87th United States attorney general since 2025. A member of the Republican Party, she served as the 37th attorney general of Florida from 2011 to 2019, the first woman elected to the office.
>Epstein was arrested again on July 6, 2019, on federal charges for the sex trafficking of minors in Florida and New York
You just can't make this shit up

>>715555814
Free markets are a lie. They always consolidate and merge into monopolies or small monopolies who collude and leverage their large market shares to do whatever they want, and snuff out any threats to their control. Self-regulation is a joke. If you want a real life example, look at the large AAA companies raising prices on their games despite making billions off of microtransactions, battle passes, and cosmetic shops that'll be loaded in their $70 games. GTA 6 will be no different. You know that shark cards are gonna be in it for its multiplayer either on launch or later.

>>715556206
Remember when they kept saying that EU will not even look at it or that enough signatures wouldn't be gathered? Sure looks funny right now.

>>715556192
So, this is how I see it.
This is the equivalent of you hiring a hooker, and the hooker overpowering you and pulling out a cock and raping you in the ass. You gave some form of consent at the time of purchase. You didn't give all forms of consent at the time of purchase. The fact that some customers are aware of the deal doesn't really make it more acceptable in my view. I don't believe there's a correct behavior for a victim *legally*, even thought I believe people should be responsible for themselves on the pragmatic level.

>>715556206
I accept your concession
>>715556271
Wow I didn't think of it that way, I guess the entire universe now belongs to me, go ahead and wire me your bank balance please anon
>>715556171
read what you're responding to again because I already included the answer to that exact braindead response. why are you people so utterly incapable of understanding even the most basic things?

>>715517726
>Didn't knew who this fag was, or why people made so much fuzz about his WoW incident
>Didn't care to look it up
>SKG starts trending
>Everyone starts dunking on him
>"Alright, I'll see what the big deal is"
>Find out he's a narcissist nepo furfag with a god complex
>Grow more and more amusement out of all the shit that comes out his mouth, and how he keeps digging a hole

>>715556412
It is not, you are correct. In fact it is already illegal in accordance with existing laws to revoke your perpetual license for any reason without reimbursement. They just keep abusing the fact that no one is going to spend millions to sue them over an $60 videogame. The fact that they made billions doing that eludes most people. If these billions were to have been taken from a single person or organization it would have been a lot more noticeable than taking $60 from a couple million people.

>>715556542
>wire me your bank balance
I have no idea what your talking about or how you interpreted what I said.

>>715556542
>face the fact that corporations he defends do illegal shit
>instead of acknowledging it, sidesteps it with a smarmy remark
Why don't you go back to r*ddit? You'll get more upvotes there.

>>715556542
Openstreetmaps is an acceptable replacement for bing maps

>>715555702
>and the game can only be ran from specific kinds of computers
yeah it's called "system requirements"

>>715555702
>it's an issue of proprietary dependencies that just aren't available to the public
and i will again argue to you that this
>muh dependecies
is bullshit because SEVERAL GAAS have converted without issue. thats it. there is no more of your stupid argument. if it has been shown to be done, it can be done. no excuses.

>>715556670
Court being a game of kings highlights the fundamentally unjust advantages and pay walling the legal systems currently are, and how utterly alien and unapproachable it is for the average person. No one will pursue a $50k lawsuit for $60 or $70 claim on principle, and that's not unique to the games industry either.

>>715529520
And just in case anyone is curious, he moved out of that place years ago, he is good now.

>>715556718
you're in breach of contract with me, you made no guarantee of wiring me your bank balance, so I find you in breach by prematurely not giving me the bank balance you didn't agree to give me
>>715556953
you can't host modern AAA from consumer hardware, I've already given plenty of reasons why. stop arguing in circles
>>715556787
on what basis? I've already asked this and it hasn't been answered, because you people have none.
>>715557118
>because one game switched hosting methods every game can
if only you knew how wrong you were you wouldn't have said that, or maybe you would, you people are such ideological nutjobs you'll say just about anything at this point, you're just ignorant. I've already explained exactly why most of the largest multiplayer games today have been developed in a way that makes that a material impossibility

>>715557368
On the basis that it can do the same thing

>>715529520
So... buy a dehumidifier?

>>715557368
>you can't host modern AAA from consumer hardware
and? how is that an issue

>>715557368
We've never engaged in a contract, what are you smoking?

>>715557118
>if it has been shown to be done, it can be done. no excuses.
Oh he knows and they know it as well. They just don't want to, because ultimately if they stop stealing from you by disabling your purchases whenever they want, WILL impact their profit negatively.
That's what it boils down to, he is only here to rationalize that letting them steal from you is good actually.

>>715556619
I remember youtube pushing me this fucker into my recommendations years ago, he was talking about something and it immediately felt it weird about the way he was talking, my bullshit radar went off the scales, but I just didn't mind and ignored his videos.
then not long after the wow shit happened and then SKG.
What is crazy to me is how he has such a big audience while being such a clear fucking faggot that just says shit blatantly false all the time and nobody called him on it until the wow incident.
Imagine how many other people exactly like him are out there, doing the same kind of damage he does and there are NPCs that keep defending him still. It pisses me off to no end.
This is why we can't have nice things anymore.

>>715557406
You're arguing with a paid shill. If you bring up the fact that architectural scalability is a thing for any server software, he will freak out and start spamming how people will be le unable to recreate the same experience because commnuity servers cannot host ten gorillion players.

>>715557406
but it can't do the same thing, you're literally just making a different game with different technology. you're not preserving anything. I've already gone through this, what's so hard to understand?
>>715557441
figure it out
>>715557497
yeah, and you never engaged in a contract to recieve online services for the software you bought, they were simply provided to you for free with no guaranteed end of service date, did you buy a certificate with the game saying it will last for however long? no, you bought it with no guarantee, so you have no legal basis to demand it. am I in favour of strengthening everyone's rights when it comes to that and making things fairer with how it's communicated? yes. is that what SKG is advocating for? no. SKG would essentially change none of that

>>715557368
>you can't host modern AAA from consumer hardware
You'd think that's by design, anon. That's the fucking problem, you dishonest, corporate bootlicking faggot. Keep debasing yourself for the thread's amusement. It's funny reading your shit arguments.

>Found this picture of ross from 2014
How does he look the same? Did the mold give him anti aging powers?

>>715557669
>figure it out
I win the argument

>>715557757
He's Kane. Kane does not age. Turns out being a good person doesn't stress you out and make you age like shit.

>>715517726
>>715518530
I am still fucking baffled by the whole smart fridge thing.
He can't be real.
He cannot be real.
To be clear, he didn't make that video himself, but he is using it as "proof".
One, he knows that is just a bogus bs "running" on a smart fridge, and is lying through his teeth, but two and this is really worrying, but if he really doesn't know how that was "achieved", it puts in question even his basic technology knowledge, it is not just that he can't fucking code.

>>715557661
I know, but I've got nothing better going on right now.

>>715516814
>I doubt he'd even want to take the lead at this point though, so I'd assume there was some fuckery going on if he did.
the poor guy has been saying he's in way over his head from the start
he's practically begging for someone more qualified to take over
but, at some point, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
I suppose the momentum picking up doesn't hurt. his ego may be a little inflated. but maybe in a good way. gives him confidence to tackle stuff like this

>>715557669
If you can't solve the dependency issue, then you have to provide me with a different acceptable replacement. I care about ownership, not preservation.

>>715557669
>and you never engaged in a contract to recieve online services for the software you bought
If the online service is indispensable to adequate functionality of the good you've purchased, it is considered an inherent, inseparable part under EU law and disabling it to disable the product is an illegal act.

Source: Directive EU 2019/770, article 19

All talk, no action. Nothing has actually happened and nothing ever will.

>>715557869
Real. Let the shit flinging monkey dance.

>>715557669
>for free
wrong

>>715557967
The demoralization rituals will continue

>>715557807
>good person
>wants to put indie devs out of business and hand the whole industry to aaa companies
Muh copro though, right?

>>715557368
>I've already explained exactly why most of the largest multiplayer games today have been developed in a way that makes that a material impossibility
based on what? their word? again, there have been AAA GAAS MP games that were able to convert. stop this bullshit.

>>715540218
>>715532736
death to aqua hypocritical loli screechers

>>715558130
Yup, fuck indies

>>715555603
My favourites are "I'm not a fan of Thor or anything BUT I think he is totally right and you are a completely idiot because: [insert 'you can't expect devs to maintain servers forever argument' here].

>>715558130
You will cede to the will of NOD. Or you will be destroyed.

>>715558157
Aqua is not loli you massive dumbie

>>715532083
>snk post
you're the biggest living cancer tumor alive btw

>>715558130
Most indies can't even do the large infrastructure that'd make an end-of-life plan a nightmare, anon. Keep using those talking points someone else wrote for you. Repeat the lie enough it becomes truth, right? Repetition is an important rhetorical device for propaganda.

>>715558229
kill yourself loli hater
>sssssshes 17 359 24 59 yo!!
WRONG SHE'S 15 YO FERITLE GOD AND YOU'RE A GROOMER AND STOP CRITICIZING LOLIFANS AND LOLIS

How do you guys tell the Aqua nerd apart from people pretending to be him

>>715558315
Funniest part is that 99% of all indie games with an online component already offer dedicated server functionality, so they would be exempt from SKG even if it had applied retroactively.

>>715557661
what exactly is your issue with the argument? games as a feature offer huge simultaneous player counts? scaling that down to 32 means you're not playing the same game, the whole point of things like death stranding, dark souls, no man's sky is that you're in a shared world with everyone, so games made where that feature is a core part of the gameplay can't be made to be hosted like unreal tournament and still functionally be the same game, so there's no basis to claim you're preserving anything.
>>715557704
you're the corpo bootlicker because you're trying to con everyone in to more GaaS, something your idiotic movement pushes them towards, the only option aside from comply with impossible demands is to start offering GaaS instead, because then there's no presumption of ownership after service ends, so there's no basis for SKG regulations you retarded faggot
>>715557963
>different acceptable replacement
you have no idea what that would even be, you're asking for something and you won't even do the bare minimum of actually elucidating what you want, but it doesn't matter because any version of what you're asking would be literally impossible to do and still make any kind of sense, making an entirely game does not make any kind of sense
>>715557964
there's a liability period of like 2 or 3 years, after that they can shut it down. SKG has nothing to say about this
>>715558036
SKG seeks to regulate the ones that offer online play with no additional charge
>>715558154
based on even a basic understanding of how much goes in to modern AAA games today, SKG don't even deny this, I've discussed examples above already

>>715558341
It's not even about her age. She literally looks like an adult. Pic related is the source material.

>>715558406
>No u
Dance monkey, dance!

>>715558406
If they can't offer an acceptable replacement they'll just have to refund me my money, shrimple as.

>>715558406
>trying to ship of Theseus your way out of the rule of law
Hilarious, please, continue.

>>715558420
she doesn't lmao you're fucking retarded
she's your typical nunime designed animu girl and her bodytype is of a thick/fat girl. retarded fuck

>>715558406
So you only have a problem with the regulation of free games?

>>715558420
LMAO IT'S THE SAME LOOK AS THE PICTURE YOU'RE REPLYING >>715558341
YOU'RE BLIND
DEATH TO AQUA CHARLATANS

PERIPETEIA APPROVES OF SKG
BUY PERI GAME

>>715516246
The Mycelial Network is my greatest ally.

>>715558315
Actually there's all kinds of proprietary AI stuff coming in that is impossible to host from consumer hardware but is still accessible to indie devs. Before you respond with "oh well idc, ban it" you can't ban it, at least with the SKG proposals anyway, they'll just offer it as GaaS instead, congrats, you've monkey's pawed your way in to more GaaS and ruined buying games for people
>>715558489
you don't even have a conception of what an acceptable replacement is, and they won't sell it to you in the first place, they'll just make anything that doesnt comply with SKG in europe GaaS
>>715558512
no law is being broken by them not coding a community project for you, premature termination of a contract is already covered by established law and none of it resembles SKG proposals

>>715516246
Does he like the Moldman memes?

>>715558130
name 5 indie game developers

BUY BUY BUY

>>715558756
gaas is not exempt from the regulation

>>715558756
>no law is being broken by them disabling functionality of a product you bought
>point out which law is being broken
>uhhhh, they can do it 3 years later then
But they don't. Nor do they sell a service. To sell a service is to do something completely different. They sell a good. Then they shut down something crucial to functionality of the good. That disables it. That is illegal.

>>715540972
given that he was also a security guard before, he probably wanted to be a cop.

Server hosting technologically has been around for 20+ years the only reason it's an issue now is because AAA devs can't nickel and dime you if you can just go back and play the old game. So what they do is they shut the old game down with no recourse to force you to play the new game and start all over again. It's just pure greed hidden behind some veil of IP law when that's never been the case.

>>715558867
GaaS is exempt from SKG's proposals, read them again, again, not one person ever seems to actually understand even the most basic thing about what SKG's proposals even are
>>715558951
you were saying them doing it at all was a breach, and quoted me a law saying so, to which I pointed out that law only stipulates that they must keep the service up for three years don't move the goalposts

>>715559129
It's not exempt, read it again

>>715558737
People run their own AI shit all the time, and an indie dev would have the same hardware accessible to a consumer. Congrats, the indie dev made a computer hardware enthusiast game that the average person can't buy. What a shit argument. Keep dancing, monkey.

>>715559129
>GaaS is exempt from SKG's proposals
lmao, GaaS is the crux of the whole SKG proposal.

>>715559109
in 20 years the gap between consumer hardware and enterprise computing solutions has widened by orders of magnitude. You simply can't host modern AAA games from consumer hardware, for reasons I've already covered in the thread
>>715559180
there's no presumption of permanent ownership beyond the service contract with GaaS, if you buy a month you get a month and that's it, SKG doesn't require GaaS to provide service after the end of the contract because there's no basis of ownership
>>715559254
see above

>>715558714
>>715558860
Antiskiggers getting more and more desperate.
And no, I'm not buying your tranny game.

Any mold-core recommendations? Games, movies, and even books are appreciated.

>>715559227
Actually they don't, who is going to pay for it, who is going to update it to keep it functioning, some indie devs get access to collaborate with larger organizations to make things like that work that just wouldn't be feasible for hosting on consumer hardware, you can't force a different company to give you permanent api keys for community projects.

>>715559357
monthly subscriptions are a minority of gaas games

>>715559129
Yes, doing it is illegal. Study the fucking laws before you start coping in threads about it. All of those companies are liable to have class action lawsuits launched for every single game they shut down that resulted in people being unable to play what they paid money for. It is fucking illegal. It's just that people can't be bothered to spend millions on it every time this happens and companies know it and abuse the advantages their financial position affords them ruthlessly. So people are now instead hard legislating against it, to not be forced to spend millions to retain ownership of a fucking $60 videogame.
>the service up for three years
Yes, for physical goods with an online component Like a smart fridge. There is no legislation for software yet. There will be.

>>715557368
It's a good thing SKG is explicitly not asking for anything to retroactively apply to games that have already been developed.

Why is there an Irish language option on the Stop Killing Games site?

>>715559357
>You simply can't host modern AAA games from consumer hardware
I highly doubt that.

>>715558539
She looks like she is in her 18s. And she, in fact, is.
>>715558638
You are blind.
>>715558756
>they'll just offer it as GaaS instead
This is exactly what I'm thinking.

Because the entire point of SKG is "lifetime liability, EXCEPT if you make it explicit it's a service, then the law doesn't apply to you!". So everyone will just say it's a service because they don't want to risk having Doctor Hans Rosenberg suing them 30 years later for violating le european righterinos because exploits from 30 years ago resulted in little Jimmy's mom's credit card leaking and guess what, the europeans don't sleep on the GDPR and they don't care that "Ross promised I wouldn't be liable, it's the community that would be responsible for patching the exploits!!!".

>>715559254
Anon, if SKG applied to any sort of service, you would have an argument for Netflix being permanent after 1 month of sub, or WoW, or whatever. Something that is explicitly offered as a temporary service logically can't be subject to the law. To defy this logic would mean going against not only the lobbies of music/movies/any art you can think of, but also common sense.

>>715559413
eric, shodanon is literally pro skg and you're an underage discord eric newcancer-kunt! nice projecting
nice tranny calling out of your gaping a-hole

>>715558198
The mycelium of peace!
Ross lives in death!
Peace through fungus!

>>715559490
Then you can't sell it

>>715559564
It's a middle finger to Britts

>>715559602
>She looks like she is in her 18s
she's looks like a 16yo, get cancer ericbitch

>>715559129
>GaaS is exempt from SKG's proposals
Nothing is off the table.
Normal digital game with DRM? It's covered.
Game with some online components? It's also covered.
A whole GaaS digital game? It's in.
Digital purchases in a free game? Also in.
It's your worst fucking nightmare. The industry had decades to come up with a solution, but didn't. The reckoning is here.

>>715559748
You are really nitpicking if you insist there is a visible difference between cartoon 16yos and cartoon 18yos. It's 100% subjective and far from loli territory (where they are CHILDREN)
>ericbitch
Now you're just throwing random insults.

>>715559357
>You simply can't host modern AAA games from consumer hardware
demons souls

>>715559490
If an indie dev is using an expensive AI model to run their theoretical game, then they're probably not indie, lmao. Are there any indie devs that use your supposed edge case development practice, or this you talking out of your ass?

>>715559764
So what keeps the industry from just going full Netflix? You pay for 1 month of "battle.net membership" and get access to Blizzard's games. Then you can't complain about losing access to any game because there is no link between you and an individual/particular game. Same way Netflix works.

>>715559881
keep jerking off to lame underage 15yo bland shit, m*d
and i will keep jerking off to elite material like js loli

>>715560008
I really don't care what you jerk off to. And I don't jerk off to Aqua. I have a girlfriend.

>>715559987
MS is trying and it's not working

>>715559987
It's a very unprofitable model. Turns out people don't like not owning things.

>>715559539
Directive EU 2019/770, article 19 specifically is about online content and services, it's aimed at regulating video games and things in that realm directly, shutting down free online services after three years would not contravene that regulation, it's literally right there in black and white, why don't you study the fucking law asshole
>>715559562
actually they would like it to apply to games that are currently in service, regardless new games simply can't comply with impossible demands, so they'll sell everyone in the EU GaaS instead, which nobody wants
>>715559608
you can if it's GaaS
>>715559764
the industry wants more GaaS, it's their preferred method of selling to you, why do you think they're trying their damndest to make it as attractive as possible, in many cases at a loss. You have no presumption of ownership once you stop paying for your GaaS and they can choose to not renew your contract and accept your money, so you lose everything and preserve nothing, it's counterintuitive and makes shit worse for everyone
>>715559905
I've played a small game that uses AI, indie devs can collaborate and use external services you couldn't force the third party to keep going for community projects.

>>715560071
>what do you mean that selling our games with overinflated budgets for a dollar a month isn't profitable?

>>715560071
How is it not working? Xbox Game Pass is pretty good and it often gets some decent releases like Expedition 33 or Morrowind remake.

But this is not even what I mean. Xbox Game Pass tries to cover every game. What I predict will happen is every publisher will have their own pass.

>>715560148
it's unprofitable intentionally so they can make it as attractive as possible and it's working, most gamers today pay for multiple services for games alone, not even taking in to account the various other services they pay for

>>715560148
if it is not profitable why is everyone doing it? many already have a subscription model, see EA and Ubisoft

>>715560070
you have a tulpa little delusional wannabe normalnigger and newnigger, who is eagerly posting here without consent.

>>715560232
>How is it not working?
its not making them a profit.

>>715559564
?
It's the official language of Ireland and they are in the EU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k2J0OvEpio

>>715560358
>buzzword buzzword buzzword buzzword
Enjoy my last (you)

>>715560330
you're talking to people who don't know the first thing about the games industry who want to try to pass sweeping legislation overhauling the whole thing,

>>715560175
>I've played a small game that uses AI
>Trust me, bro.
My dad works at Nintendo.

>>715560232
Ubisoft has one and it's not working

Game pass is losing money and the growth has stagnated

>>715560405
keep snowballing and deflecting little bitch and get the fuck out

>>715560383
But people from the industry say it is profitable.

Pic related is a guy with lots of criticism to xbox game pass, but he admits it is profitable.

>>715560393
But 98% of Irish people speak English as their first and main language.

>>715559987
It just feels better to buy a game and own it. Having invested something into the game makes you more patient and willing to get over any humps. When I pirate a game or try Xbox Game Pass, I'll often uninstall a game from minor annoyances. It's a strange quirk in psychology.

>you can't POSSIBLY host modern games on consumer hardware
>what is every MMO pserver, the various PSO servers and the Demon's Souls server

>>715560508
I agree and that's why I want SKG to fail.

>>715557704
just because it can't be done today, it doesn't mean it will be unfeasible for ever...
I bet that in 10 years people will be able to make amazon tier server clusters on their basement.
But I bet my mom's ass that you can easily host a lot of services even on an average PC nowadays if the optimization is done right, which a bunch of nerds on github will do if they like a game well enough.
Hell I remember playing Lineage 2 back in the mid 2000s with like 4 thousand people connected to a server that was basically just a very beefy PC

>>715560486
He's ignoring the costs of acquiring game studios

>>715560513
You realize MMO pservers are coded by players from scratch by reverse engineering packets?

If you care that much just do that with the games that are "dying"

>>715560720
In a perfect world that's what would be done, but this is not a perfect world.

>>715560712
you don't need to own a studio to put it in xbox game pass

although every microsoft game does always release on xbox game pass EXCEPT the forza series

>>715560720
Why should I need to?

>>715560808
>>715560791
you realize if they released the server software for WoW today you would still need to patch it monthly to fix vulnerabilities?

>>715560431
be ignorant then, it was an art game made by bladee that's part of a collaboration with microsoft. the fact that this technology exists, that API keys exist proves that it's possible even without an example, the fact that you're even challenging the possibility shows you know absolutely nothing about the landscape of games today

>>715560175
>the industry wants more GaaS, it's their preferred method of selling to you
No shit, but the consumer doesn't want that, that's why more and more of them fail.
There will be no special treatment and no carve outs for GaaS.
Any digital currency or item like a simple skin will be a digital good that you are entitled to. GaaS will have to have an end of life plan as well. I told you, it will be your worst nightmare.

>>715560468
d flat steaky

>>715560864
>inb4 anons start listing a bunch of very old games whose server hardware you can quickly look up on github to confirm that they do, in fact, receive regular updates

>>715560496
ok? they are trying to change that. How will they be able to change it, if they are never given the chance to use it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjvNUNXhkU

>>715560720
>If you care that much just do that with the games that are "dying"
I'm doing that. It's called Stop Killing Games

>>715560864
Let me handle that

>>715560873
If an indie dev needs an AI to develop and run their game, it's a pet project and shouldn't be sold. AI is notorious for data theft and data scraping and courts have already ruled on how AI art cannot be monetized. It's safe to assume anything produced by AI is exempt from monetization in the future.

>Anisa and her husband
>Karl Jobst
>Pirate Software
Damn its been a kino year for lolcows

>>715560864
Is that not what pservers are doing?

>>715560873
That's ok, the us can have all the ai games and Europe will go without.

>>715560916
you're just repeating yourself, I've explained why that's wrong and told you what SKG says, if you're saying they're saying something else show me and stop larping, the only day of reckoning is when video games get the slow death they deserve when they're all put on a shitty subscription service
>>715561157
it's not AI art, just one of many functions of a game, you play games that use AI for various things, including very boring network related tasks, you lack understanding of the subject and your response shows you know absolutely nothing about what you want to regulate. but go ahead and support SKG and push for GaaS, ruin video games for everyone, they're all just total shit anyway right?
>>715561334
as I've said the regulations don't cover GaaS so they'll just be yet another part of the monopoly multi service, but good job bleating like a sheep and playing your part accelerating the industry towards it

>>715561285
Wow server is open source
Its the client that has vulns and that part isn't being fixed effectively

>>715561559
As I've said, they cover gaas

>>715561559
>all games will become shit
Who cares? Just don't buy them.

>the amount of obvious paid corporate shill posts about le indie devs and le u can't host servers in this thread
Fucking kek imagine it's your job to spam a mongolian basket-weaving forum, with some Indian manager's shitbreath on your neck and stressing whether your posting KPIs will be high enough to get the measly 100 euro bonus by the end of the month

>>715561559
You wish that GaaS are exempt, but they truth is that they aren't.
I am just trying to help you here, don't act surprised when it happens.

Why do people pretend that the pool of affected games is big? Most games already comply with the spirit of the initiative. It's just a handful of crooks that don't.

>>715560513
Technically you can because you're not gonna have a fuckin million players connected to your moms shitbox
There will be 1000 your moms shitboxes for everyone to play
The actual issue I think people are forgetting is game devs won't be forced to give away the software
They won't even have to ship it with the game
They can send you their server infra that costs them 25000 dollars a month to run, say "figure it out they'll bill you monthly" and peace out

>>715561559
If the AI in the game needs huge server banks to run it's a pet project that can't be sold. With that much backing it goes beyond an average indie developer. You're a faggot, a complete tool. Don't sell AI dependent games if they need a permanent connection to an AI system that'll shut down at some point.

>>715555702
>I asked you to specifically name what constitutes "premature" termination.
No you didn't. I stated very clearly. All I saw was that one post and I already knew you were this full of shit. You are anti-intellectual and full of shit.
It's a test as well as a statement. You can't twist yourself into being correct now.

>>715561882
That's fine