>make gacha game
>it flops
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
>detractors get to laugh at your game and you have no way to pull it now without repercussions
This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
don't make a gacha game, then
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
the industry as it stands today deserves to die. and it is dying, regardless of this movement. they are doing it to themselves.

>>715516660 (OP)
So does it pay well to keep posting the same incorrect criticisms over and over again?
>inb4 "I'm not a shill!"
Nobody who's not a retard or a shill would ever say "This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today" as if that's a bad thing.

>>715516660 (OP)
Why are you playing gacha game?

>>715516660 (OP)
>when a mold brained man causes enough collective asspain to cause corpos to put a hit out on his continued existence
Grim

>>715516660 (OP)
I appreciate your efforts to keep the discussion alive!

>>715516660 (OP)
there's gacha games turned single player already out there
it's not a big deal, even for the most scummy of practices

>>715516660 (OP)
that retard wants to bring back game like anthem, the crew, and concord back to the market while the wokefaggotry is withering away right now

>>715516887
> incorrect criticisms
It takes less effort.
Not a single commie subhuman has addressed a single valid criticism either. When intellectual property is mentioned, you either shit your pants or start drooling,

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity
server binaries
God I fucking hate you retards.

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>now have to keep servers up for eternity
gacha niggers are so fucking retarded
no wonder no one fucking likes your

>>715516660 (OP)
>scam people out of money
>have to allow them access to the things they paid for
How unfair....

>>715517087
>muh IP
Why was this not a problem with every single PC game released until shit like xbox live became popular and gave publishers an excuse to never release sever tools?

>>715516660 (OP)
gacha games are sold as a service not as a product so it has nothing to do with SKG

>>715516660 (OP)
>make a juice squeezing machine that reads the barcode of juice packs to determine how hard to squeeze for optimal juicing
>this requires connection to our servers
>it flops
>shut down the server
>now proud owners have to manually squeeze their juice packs

Just release the server code.
Just release a very basic, minimum viable version of the server code.
Even just an open source API that always returns a default settings response, so that the machine can at least work, even if suboptimally.
Think of all the San Fran CEOs who can't drink their juice now, you monsters!

>>715516660 (OP)
Don't care. I will own my games and I will be happy.

SHILL DETRACTOR THREAD
OP KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT SKG IS ABOUT, BUT IS INTENTIONALY MISREPRESENTING TO MAKE THE WHOLE MOVEMENT SEEM UNREASONABLE

>>715516660 (OP)
>caring if this guy kills the games as a service model
Games as a service is one of the big things killing good games these days. If it stops publishers making fucking the umpteenth shitty hero shooter that dies a week later then I'm happy with it.

>>715516660 (OP)
the anti SKG astroturfing is off the charts

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
Wrong straight out of the gate.
If SKG were a thing all they would have to do is make it an offline single player game like most of the other Gacha that EOS do.

Do you really not bother to look into something you seethe about, make assumptions and then shitpost your retarded take online?
You haven't even got the slighted idea what you're on about.
SKG would not force developers to do anything other than ensure players can still play a game they bought after official support ends.
How they do that would be up to them.

A Gacha game could make it into a single player experience that just cycles through the events previously held
An FPS could allow private servers to be made or change the netcode to P2P
An MMO could allow private servers like most already do
An RTS like AOE could allow private servers for regions or P2P connections like most already do
Most fighting games are already P2P

This is literally a non issue for most games and developers already doing what SKG are asking as the bare minimum

>>715516660 (OP)
>>make gacha game
>>it flops
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
>>detractors get to laugh at your game and you have no way to pull it now without repercussions
how is hurting the kind of studios that make cattlefeed for worthless retards a bad thing?

>>715516660 (OP)
Good, I really hope skg spreads to Asia and finally kills the gacha blight.

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
lol
>it flops
rightfully so
>now have to keep servers up for eternity
...proven to have never even read the initiative you're criticizing. NEXT

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity
Or just let the player download an offline version

>>715516660 (OP)
>have to keep servers up
That's not what is asked, you retard.

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity
Why the fuck jew lying

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
yes. you wanted to sell them products retard, you made that choice, you weren't forced into doing it against your will lmao.
you have an obligation to them and cannot retract your product once sold

>>715517237
It has nothing to do with forcing companies to keep running servers for eternity, just mandating them to release EOS patches and binaries for people to run their own servers after they decide to terminate their own.

>>715517087
Your IP stops when my ownership begins

>>715516660 (OP)
>>make gacha game
You deserve perpetual rape and humiliation just for doing this

>>715516660 (OP)
Anything but SKG is moronic:

>buy game
>play game
>lose interest
>never hear anything about it again
>one day install an unrelated game
>DRM malware scans your files and discovers you owned a copy of this game and it's servers shut down 7 weeks ago
>you purchased the physical copy
>ubisoft mobilises it's elite Gestapo task force
>an hour later
>BOOM
>BOOM
>CRASH
>that's all it takes for Ubisoft ro send a squad of iconic mercenaries to your door
>it's 3am, you're asleep
>suddenly you're being dragged out of bed
"CALL YOUR DOG OFF"
>Wha-
"MOTHERFUCKER I SAID CALL YOUR DOG OFF"
>I don't have a do-
>BANG
>they just shot your cat
"WHERE IS IT"
>Where is what?
"WHERE IS YOUR COPY OF ASSASSINS CREED 50, RETURN OF THE 2012 CONSPIRACY?"
>....
>wh-
>BANG
>everything goes black
>Ubisofts anti piracy team stands over your corpse
You know, Johnson... sometimes I wonder if we're doing the right thing.
You don't need to wonder sir. I found this in a box in the attic.
My God, Johnson...
>he holds a copy of Assassins Creed 50 physical edition
There were others, Sir. The whole box was full of abandonware titles.
This sick pervert...
>Ubisofts anti piracy team leaves the scene
>hailed as heroes for busting a piracy ring

>>715516660 (OP)
>giving a shit about gacha trash
Kill yourself, tranny.
I don't play live service games, I don't give a crap about what happens to the niggers who develop that crap. That is the cancer killing the industry.

>at least 3 different anti-SKG threads up at the present time

>>715516660 (OP)
The reason why developers/companies are afraid this movement because they are think that the community can do better than them and make them look like incompetent and lazy.

>>715517087
>valid criticism

That's not even what the ask is.

>>715516660 (OP)
Punishing gachaniggers is a good thing thoughever

>>715517523
which they are most of the time

>>715516660 (OP)
>NOOOO THINK OF THE GOOKS WHO SCAM INCELS OUT OF THEIR NEET MONEY WHAAAAA

Personally I’m just looking forward to all the other publishers putting a hit out on Ubisoft for going full retard before the frog was boiled

>>715516660 (OP)
skg does not require you keep servers running but rather, requires that you give everyone an offline version of your game when it shuts down.

which is of course, also retarded

>>715516660 (OP)
which gacha require a purchase to play?
Free to play is exempt because everyone already know you don't own them.
Lootboxes in paid games have moved onto battlepasses.

>>715516660 (OP)
>kills the incentive to produce future gacha games
Dude, I already support Ross you don't need to convince me further.

>>715517264
>This is literally a non issue
something tells me you are not a developer
>>715517272
The duality of the SKG Supporter:
>cattlefeed for worthless retards
>but it's art that needs to be preserved and it's only fine for you to scam retards if you do it my way

>>715517087
Did any of these developers lose their IP rights when they provided dedicated server files?
No, they didn't.

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>publishers have to gamble on whether it flops or not
I'm fine with that.
Though it's been shown it's possible to have gacha games with offline modes or private servers, which with economically viable EoL plans :)

>>715516660 (OP)
>keep servers open.

Or how about you just make it playable offline at the end of service? And make it so users can host locally for online content. So players can continue to play the game that they dumped thousands on, instead.

ETA to the gay porn spam?

>>715516660 (OP)
How are you subhumans still not getting that the devs don't have to keep any servers online?

>>715517347
a company should have no legal compulsion to do this if their eula clearly outlined the temporary ownership model you agreed to

furthermore, what about moderation?
if the product is unmoderated, it could effect the ip with footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip

the alternative then could be releasing their mods tools and may even anti-cheat systems as well but now look how much you are compelling

how about you just dont buy games that dont give some sort of roadmap in regards to sunsetting

>This *God will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
BASED. Take us back to 90's-2000's. GaaS was a mistake

>>715517863
it's actually hilarious how obvious all these shills are

>>715517804
bad things have historical value
if we only ever preserve good games/music/movies/books/etc then it gives people a biased view of the past
it also prevents future generations from learning from our mistakes
nothing ever "deserves to be forgotten"

>>715516660 (OP)
The only change this retardation will affect is a disclaimer that servers may be pulled one day. If that. But hey at least it riled up all the autists that think they're grand revolutionaries.

>>715517871
>>715517856
>>715517705
>>715517285
>b-but developers don't actually have to keep the servers up
>they just have to demonstrate that they can release a server binary that works, thus necessitating keeping the game online and supporting it indefinitely
SKG supporters would never pass the breakfast test

>>715517897
We should bring back bullying on Video Gamers to make it uncool again.

>>715516660 (OP)
WE STILL NEED MORE VOTES TO REACH THE ABSOLUT SAFETY MARGIN
GO GO GO

>it's another "SKG demands ETERNAL SERVERS" argument
Do they have any other arguments? Is that the best one they could think of?

>>715516660 (OP)
>SKG governs games that are pay2play
Which gacha"games" are not.
>now have to keep servers up
Not what SKG is demanding.

Disingenuous faggot.

>>715517897
this initiative does not get rid of games as a service. rather, it simply mandates a company give everyone an offline version of their shitty game that stopped running its official servers for a reason

>>715516660 (OP)
KILL ALL GACHA TRANNIES
KILL ALL GACHA TRANNIES
KILL ALL GACHA TRANNIES
KILL ALL GACHA TRANNIES

>>715517983
you are brown
post hands

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>it flops
>make a fresh new roguelike dumping the asset of your failed game
nothing personal kid

>>715518005
That or some 'but someone could make mods that make the IP look bad!!' amerigroid retardation

>>715517983
>if you allow people to host their own servers after eos... you have to pay to keep the servers you ended service on online indefinitely
what the cuck are you even trying to say faggot hahahah

>>715517994
I genuinely believe that the primary reason for “toxicity” being cracked down on was to preemptively stop paypigs from getting bullied.
Just imagine the sheer unending mockery that an early 2000s server would deliver if they spotted some retard who paid hundreds for cosmetics

>>715517983
the developers are not the ones who "keep it online" though. genuinely what are you having trouble understanding here?

are you familiar with the unsanctioned battlefied 2 revival community? its literally just that but ensuring the publisher stays hands off and essentially hands the community that version without them having to potentially, illegally, dig through files to make it themselves. that community run version of the game does not use EA servers.

happy to help if there is still something about this that confuses you

and for the record, i dont even like skg, i just think you dislike it for the wrong reason because you are having trouble understanding something

>>715517804
it's quite simple
good games will exist forever
dogshit ""games"" will need to be maintained, expending their dogshit developers' resources
i win either way

>>715516660 (OP)
Gachas are f2p
You have not bought a f2p game

>>715517983
Or they just have it playable offline.

>>715518005
no one want eternal server, but i do want to hear you scream and cry forever about it when you are forced to do it for your slop game

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>get punished for it
I'm sold

>>715518112
thats a completely and entirely legitimate argument though? why should a company facilitate an environment that allows people to fuck up their IP?

that is fucking imbecile thinking, to argue blizzard needs to release an offline version of overwatch where its 99% the real looking game except some freak made every character a giant futa cock version of themselves. gee i wonder why a company would want to avoid this

idiot
idiot
retard
retard

I think it's impressive that all these months later, retards like OP will still angrily scream that they never read the FAQ.

>>715518005
because this thread is made by a shitposter, not an actual shill
SKG is handing out what are probably the easiest (you)s in years just by saying things that are obviously wrong AND the threads usually don't get deleted

If fat furry fetish dev teams composed of ONE (re: 1) person can make online games playable offline, on top of local connectoins so that players can form their own parties for pve/pvp/erp.

I think the AAA billion dollar conglomerates can do the same thing.

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
Nope, just make it playable offline.

>>715516660 (OP)
>attempting to make gacha games will bear huge risks
that is exactly what I signed for.

>>715518424
they absolutely can, the question however is whether or not they should be legally compelled to do this

>>715518386
Why are you acting like you cant do this already

>>715518206
>the developers are not the ones who "keep it online" though
Plenty of scenarios where the developer's hand would be forced
>console network service goes offline
>game doesn't work anymore
>server handed off to customer's is exploited
>bugs prevent it even working
>server is so full of bots, harassment and idle players
>can't ban players because you're not in charge of your own service anymore
>game can't even be patched anymore

>now have to keep servers up for eternity
no :)

>>715516846
fpbp

>>715516660 (OP)
>makes a product
>sells the product
>it fails
>lol not your product anymore, i'm keeping the money BTW

>>715518320
Nigga if I were a dev I'd just have an offline mode for my game. Once support ends, just let the community do its thing.
They set up free private servers with unofficial third-party tools? Good on them.
They try to monetised them? Sue them.
One player has potential legal problems arise from the private server? Not my problem, the host is responsible.
Easy.

>>715518386
And that hurts them more than the thousands of hours of porn using the official models from the game except some freak made every character a giant futa cock version of themselves... how?

>>715518001
We got this.

>>715518487
you absolutely cannot have a full server of a community cock modded overwatch.

blizzard cant control people ripping models and making sfm videos obviously, however they dont want videos of their code, their gameplay, their matchmaking, all leading to an official in-game environment where a bunch of players are running around as giant cock zaryas. they very very obviously do not want to facilitate that

>>715518386
ah yes, bethesda's reputation has been ruined by people making degenerate skyrim porn mods

>>715518642
Why should I care about what they want?

>>715518497
>providing binaries = providing 24/7 tech support and customer care

>>715516660 (OP)
>coordinate with millions of people to make a game flop
>idiotic company now has to release server binaries
>host dedicated servers where we can scream nigger and faggot on mic to anyone

>>715518605
see
>>715518642

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity
Guaranteed replies!

>>715517523
borgar

>>715517882
>a company should have no legal compulsion to do this if their eula clearly outlined the temporary ownership model you agreed to
EULA are worth nothing if the law doesn't agree with it, which is the point here, changing the law.

>if the product is unmoderated, it could effect the ip with footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip
How is that different from any other game? If I make my own mod of a game with nudity or bad words how can a company "moderate me"?

>>715518643
bethesda made that choice to embrace that image. you are proposing something that would LEGALLY COMPEL companies to embrace that image

see the difference? sure you can say fuck corpos fuck em who cares, but that isnt an argument for legislation

>>715516660 (OP)
Good, we can go back to games with actual content, just like before. Gachashit and live service deserve to die.

>won't somebody think of the hecking IPerinos??? What if someone makes *gasp* Overwatch porn????
Deeply unserious shill campaign, I recommend these lobbys to rent a different jeet farm.

>>715518680
because what they want is to sell you what you want

introducing legislation fucks with this equilibrium you doofus

dont like it? dont buy it. you dont have some inalienable right to a company's shit lmao

>>715518681
absolutely
If you think "providing the server binaries" is as simple as dumping it on megaupload and expecting it to work without considerably input from the developer then you have not passed the breakfast test

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game

>OP lacks basic reasoning
Why are you cunts so dumb

>>715518771
>bethesda made that choice to embrace that image.
Can you please link a statement or interview with Beth staff where they "embrace" Loverslab?

>>715518605
don't question retard with 5K montly salary decision, they still think adding rainbow flag (or any current thing flag) is a good look instead of making the company lose foot in public eyes

>>715518854
>what is docker

>>715518901
>it'll just work perfectly trust me bro

>>715518420
I can understand wanting to get (You) by getting people mad or telling them things they don't want to hear, but if you do that by just saying things that are plain wrong and coming across as a retard what's the point?
I could make a thread that said Steam only got popular because it rode on the success of Epic Games and I would get a lot of people calling me a retard, but because I got a lot of (You) that's fine?

>>715518771
yes, if you're not selling or supporting the fucking game anymore then go fuck yourself and let people do whatever they want to it, release all your files
you're a turbo retard if you believe that seeing women with massive penises will not be dismissed as a mod by pretty much everyone who has been on the internet for more than a day

>>715516660 (OP)
What do these reddit children want exactly anyways?

>>715518854
Weird how that wasn't a problem for thousands of games in the past, but suddenly you need to have a whole production environment to distribute custom server binaries.

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity
nope
you failed at the first hurdle

>>715518970
total nigger death

>>715518970
Read the damn faq.

>>715516660 (OP)
>Sell you a car
>Car is fucked
>Refuse to fix it
>Take it from you
>Keep the money

>>715516660 (OP)
>Getting mad about gatcha being cock blocked from scamming people
Oh no the game industry is going to collapse, think about all the shitty gatcha games that die in less than a year, we have to ensure these terrible aborted projects keep coming

tick tock you'll NEVER EVER reach 1.4m

>>715518763
>If I make my own mod of a game with nudity or bad words how can a company "moderate me"?

first, in our current system, they would not be legally compelled to make that easier for you

second, they have the right to order a cease and desist if they believe you are harming their ip by using their assets. if you somehow were able to rip all of overwatch and make your own offline mode and somehow that part were legally grey or not pursued by blizzard, but then you took it further and made your version of overwatch the nigger-futa-heil hitler version of overwatch, then they would understandably want you to cease and desist and would likely to use legal means to do so

>>715519013
I do

>>715518987
>Weird how that wasn't a problem for thousands of games in the past
It was, practically all the MMOs from the 80s and 90s are gone, you all lean onto this false nostalgia to make this uninformed point

I think it's funny how virulently you guys are fighting over a proposition that's still an internet petition like it's seconds away from irrevocably become the law of the world and not something that's has ten tons of bureaucracy to go through.

>>715519103
im not going to sign it out of spite (yet)

>>715516660 (OP)
You want me to cry for gachashit? Lmao

>>715518890
by not ordering a cease and desist they are tacitly endorsing it you buffoon

do you think EA doesnt know about the bf2 revival that uses their assets? of course they know, they are choosing not to send out a cease and desist, likely due to a combination of them feeling that

-the image they are comfortable with isnt being tarnished
-their profits arent being effected
-and as a small bonus, they remain in the good graces of this part of the bf community

>>715519167
Jeet I can go on steam and find hundreds of dedicated sever softwares available for download, why are you bringing up a MMO that had its servers shut down as an "own"?

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity
But that's not what SKG wants.

>>715518964
you have no basis to compel a company to give you all of their shit if they never said they were going to do that.

if a company does that, great
if they have a history of refusing and being anti consumer, dont buy their shit

its really simple

>>715516660 (OP)

>>715517087
LITERALLY KILL PEOPLE LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE

>>715518497
why would they need to ban players in a game they are no longer supporting???

>>715516660 (OP)
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today

>>715519103
>15 days left
There will be one last big push on all social media fronts during the last 3 days and we will reach 1.5 million with ease.

>>715516660 (OP)
obvious shill

>>715516660 (OP)
>make shit
>get paid
yeah that's not how it works in Evropa ie white people land. you can only get away with that in the third world like america

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
here's your issue

>>715516660 (OP)
Reminder that the european video game lobby admitted that they want to destroy the games you already own so they can sell you new games to replace them.
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
Good. This is unacceptable.

>>715519340
this shit is why we cant have nice things

>>715518850
I want to own games I buy, they are clearly not providing this.

>>715519442
the basis is that it's all been done in the past and you need a complete asspull to pretend that the server tech has become so advanced you have to keep it private
you're defending enshittification because apparently the corpo's right to not spend a few thousand paying one guy to make the underlying game server code more versatile is worth more than the consumers not being fucked in the long run
go fuck yourself faggot

>>715516660 (OP)
>please make plans so players can run the game and servers themselves without further support from the studio
Ok yeah that seems simple enough to understand
>Wow it's so scummy of SKG to make devs support games forever and need to keep all the servers up FOREVER
At this point i'm convinced a clever shitposter who supports SKG is just continously setting up retarded strawmen.

>>715518970
legal compulsion to make companies give them offline versions of their product, even if the company says from the get go they have no intention of doing this. this initiative eliminates that desire from even being outlined in the beginning, it just isnt allowed

The closest I've seen to a real argument against SKG was "what if an indie studio is working on a live service game at the exact time SKG is hypothetically implemented in a clumsy way that forces them to change gears and go bankrupt because of it".
A hypothetical in a hypothetical that might maybe happen in the worst of bad cases. There really is nothing you can say against it without lying or just being pro getting your dick stomped for some reason.
>I should be allowed to use things I paid to use
>No.
Kill yourself.

>>715519561
if you dont like IP law go move to china where everyone steals fucking everything from everyone

Would getting all those server binaries help make new private server development tools like the old quake servers being retro-engineered and making the first WoW p-servers possible?

>>715519359
>it wasn't the case in the 90s
>actually it was
>duuuuuuuuuuuuuh this has nothing to do with anything but i can go on steam and get da dedicated suvuhhhhhh
>>715519493
>why should we need to ban hackers and griefers?

>>715519508
Good luck with those bots

>>715519570
then do not buy from companies who do not offer plans for sunsetting their products/make only online titles

>>715517087
>protecting private ownership of purchaced property is communism now
Oh boy the shills are going all out.

>>715516660 (OP)
>don't make gacha
problem solved

>>715519823
This might blow your mind but, I don't do that

>>715519796
Every single online game will have some form of private server function the devs use to push and test updates.
The fact that they pretend it would be difficult or a massive financial sinkhole to release these servers for player use is just a jew tactic.

>>715516660 (OP)
>killing the gacha genre
Good.

>>715519796
>the first WoW p-servers possible?
nostalrius

>>715519646
nobody would argue in earnest that its difficult to make offline patches you fucking idiot, of course its not a difficult task. the argument is whether or not you have any legal basis to compel them to do so, and you are failing over and over again to prove one should be able to compel this legally.

"durr its mine" isnt an argument if they outlined in their terms that it was essentially a temporary ownership model.

dont like it? DONT FUCKING BUY IT
holy shit why is this so hard to understand

>>715516660 (OP)
yep, and that's a good thing.
Furthermore SKG directly dictates that OP will be castrated and forced to ride a bicycle to power up my PC, until he dies. What an incredible law! Please pass please pass I want to fuck OP's mom while he renders my free gacha game

>>715519559
>european videogames lobby
>90% companies outside of Europe
>some companies weren't even consulted if they want to go against SKG
Corporate lawyers are gonna corpo.

>>715519957
I was using this as a reference. Interesting thread
https://www.getmangos.eu/forums/topic/9974-how-did-the-dev-team-do-it/

>>715519803
why would they care about hackers and griefers in a game they are no longer supporting?

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>it flops
>sell offline version

that simple

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
no?

>>715516660 (OP)
If the result is killing gacha games, then I will consider SKG a huge success past our wildest dreams
Personally, I think the gacha business model for games is disgusting, predatory and should be illegal.

>>715516660 (OP)
>>make gacha game
Ew.
>>it flops
Good
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
No they don't, they literally just have to be upfront with users about their end of life plans.
>>detractors get to laugh at your game and you have no way to pull it now without repercussions
Good, make better games.

>>715519340
>this company is saying it's okay to make degenerate porn mods
>by not saying anything
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAAH

>>715516660 (OP)
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity
You know that that's not true and that that's not how it works. What I don't know is what you think you get out of lying like that.

>>715519886
great, then simply spread the word instead of enacting unnecessary legislation that fucks with the equilibrium of people paying for products and services they want

>>715520024
What is even funnier is that back in the day when we were playing in LAN and on dedicated servers there were way less hackers than we have today. I unironically never seen anyone cheat in LAN and cheater in dedicated servers never lasted since every server had a human admin at all times.

>>715519960
law is downstream from morality you faggot
arguing whether it's legal is stupid, law can change at will
arguing about the current state of law just outs you as a fucking retard who doesn't understand how society functions
if that's the crux of your argument then just fucking off yourself
there's no moral argument as to why the developers should just be able to take their shit to the grave despite already making their bank, a kikery of the highest order

>>715516660 (OP)
>Ctrl + F
>Mega Man X DiVE
>0 results
Aggressively monetized gacha became standalone offline mode
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

>>715520104
P.S. yes i am old.

>>715517087
>When intellectual property is mentioned
because it's fucking irrelevant
when you buy some shit like I don't know some Nike shoes, you're obviously allowed to wear them for as long as you want and wherever you want, or you buy a Switch you can use it however you want, at your place, outside, whatever
as long as you don't use the brand to make money and directly steal from the company it's all good
you have no idea what intellectual property is, this petition is not asking the devs to give up their property to consumers
stop being a retarded corpo rat

>>715520078
literally and unironically correct you fucking moron lmao

but sure lets humor the special ed student here, why do you think bethesda doesnt send out a cease and desist to the most popular skyrim futa cock modder? do you think they are... unaware of this person? are you a fucking retard?

>>715520104
i had one instance of a cheater in a lan environment and it wasn't even a cheater, a dude who used an exploit in a game and another dude got super butthurt and wanted to kick his ass

>>715520031
Just as I was typing out >>715520153
kek

>>715517087
You do realize if I buy a book, I don't buy publishing rights for it right? Even if I can do whatever I want with the book, wipe my ass, EVEN SELL IT. But that does not mean I can start selling copies of it.
It should be the same for videogames. If I buy a copy, I should be allowed to do whatever I want with it even selling that one copy. My rights stop however when I infringe on the IP by distributing copies of it.
Its really not difficult to understand, and you 100% have to have malicious intent to purposely misconstrue arguments with IP involved.

SAAARRR FIRE UP BOTSSSS SAAAAARR

>>715520116
>there's no moral argument as to why developers have an obligation to unprofitable ventures, your right to play on online game is worth more than someone's livelihood

>>715520198
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA

Can someone link the thread to Ross's discord my fellow trans sisters? My previous account got banned.

>>715520096
I spread the word and helped skg get 1.4 mil

>>715516660 (OP)
This is why I'm not signing this shit. Fuck SKG and fuck you faggots for killing games

>>715516846
this. if it really does have cataclysmic consequences for live-service and gacha games, then I couldn't be happier.

>>715520104
There were little to no cheaters in LAN clubs because the caught ones were swiftly dealt with on site.

>>715520243
>someone's livelihood
which part of AFTER YOU'VE STOPPED SELLING IT did you miss you illiterate corporate bootlicker

>>715520243
>SAAAARRRR YOU SHOULDN'T OWN THE GAMES YOU BUY

>>715520116
why are you bringing morals into this retard? this is simply exchanging money for a good or service. so long as the company in question is transparent, YES they actually do COMPLETELY have a right to burn their shit to the ground, moron, and you are failing over and over to argue as to why you should be able to at-will convert a temporary owned thing into a permanently owned thing if you agreed to this upon purchase

>>715520459
anon, that's an indian shill using emotional arguments

>>715516660 (OP)
The moment when your only arguments against something are straight up lies about what they are trying to achieve you should stop and think if you're on the right side of the issue.

>>715518687
gaming is healing

>>715516660 (OP)
Or you make an offline version
It's that simple
Rockman XDive did it

>>715516660 (OP)
The demand doesn't apply to F2P fucking idiot

>>715518963
>but because I got a lot of (You) that's fine?
that is quite literally the only point, yes
nothing else matters

>>715520546
because trading, bartering and purchasing is a consequence of civil society where being a backstabbing kike leads to punishment
being able to trade at all instead of clubbing each other for shit is enabled by morality

>>715517882
>a company should have no legal compulsion to do this if their eula clearly outlined the temporary ownership model you agreed to
The entire point is to disallow companies from screwing people over under the guise of "well, you agreed to this". Unless you're a company owner or an investor with significant capital banked on them screwing people over, you have zero reasons to support screwing over the customer being an option.
>if the product is unmoderated, it could effect the ip with footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip
??????
None of the proposed changes would require ceding any IP rights, the game is officially shut down, what moderation are you talking about? Do you even think before you post?
>the alternative then could be releasing their mods tools and may even anti-cheat systems as well but now look how much you are compelling
Oh no, the poor corporation, it's so compelled.
>how about you just dont buy games that dont give some sort of roadmap in regards to sunsetting
No, I think it's a better idea to curb down the greedy business model outright instead of putting singular customers up against multi-billion dollar companies.

I also love e-celebs, I'm watching Levi now
https://www.twitch.tv/yatonolevi

>>715518386
Intellectual property is neither intellectual nor property. Maybe if companies took those giant futa cocks out of their asses they could stop being retards about these things.

>>715520459
>you should support things after you stop selling it
>what is an unprofitable venture

>>715516660 (OP)
Dont these games release offline versions

>noooooooo you can't expect devs to release server code, it would take milions of dev hours and girrilion dollars to make it viable!!
heh

>make gacha game
>it flops
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
You do realize that there are multiple gacha games that provide an offline version at the end of their service, right?

>>715520736
Can SKG supporters create an argument without the phrase "fucking you over" ? I think it's genuinely impossible

>>715520767
you could literally just DUMP THE FUCKING FILES and tell people about it
that's literally the bare fucking minimum and it costs you fucking nothing

Unfortunately SKG won't kill gachas and all other live service games, but I really wish it would.

>>715516660 (OP)
nothing will happen
its a service and you only get a temp access to it
>"click here to agree to these terms"
the end

>>715520734
okay cool if you want to argue this revolves around morality, then I think its actually the most moral position for a company to simply their have terms outlined, you agree to those terms, and then you exchange money for a good or service.

>>715520872
can anti-SKG shills provide an argument that isn't blatant misinformation, pro-corpo bootlicking or appeals to emotion?

>>715520915
But saar, think of the millionaires!

>>715517882
>if the product is unmoderated, it could effect the ip with footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip
And? Me saying "IP BAD CACA POOPOO PEEPEE" loud enough could effect it too. Do i have to forfeit my right to free speech when i sign EULA too?

>>715520736
"well you agreed to this" is not a guise, its literally what you agreed to.

if you want to compel more transparency or clear EULAs then sure, Id find it hard to disagree with that. But compelling a company to make you an offline version of their product that they never wanted to be offline? retarded, simply dont buy it

>>715520941
oh nooooooooooo!!! not the poor millionerinos!!!!

>>715520896
The entire point is to make corpos shove their "terms of service" kikery up their asses.

>>715520908
cool, i think prying the big soulless corpos away from their default extremist position where their goods are inherently protected by copyright and are monopolistic by nature is a good thing

>>715520959
Yes, just consoom and never question your rights

>>715520959
you arent using their assets to do that

>>715518386
>thats a completely and entirely legitimate argument though?
In what way is it a legitimate argument when people damaging someone's IP is completely irrelevant to them having access to the game's server binaries?
>why should a company facilitate an environment that allows people to fuck up their IP?
Releasing server binaries or making the game playable offline doesn't facilitate "fucking up their IP" anymore than just having the game exist does. Whatever magic you presume happens when either of those two things take place, doesn't happen.
>idiot
>idiot
>retard
>retard
Don't use signatures on 4chan.

>>715517882
They shouldn't be allowed to put that shit in an EULA. End of story.

>>715521003
you can literally already do that by voting with your wallet. what you are instead proposing, is to fuck with that dynamic.

>>715521035
Wrong. IP is their asset, i am using it when i mention the name.

>>715520908
I disagree with the premise that a contract can't be immoral as long as you agree to it.

>>715520198
You are a retard. Nuff said.

>>715517523
which fans could do. remember how blizzard raked in millions and millions every month and instead of reinvesting into the game they sat around jerking off, hiring whores to suck everybody's cocks and shit like that. (little did they know the whores would eventually overthrow the studio)

>>715521115
But what about the companies? Please let them take advantage of you!

They don't want you to own anything. They're shitting their pants on how fast SKG is now gaining support. They're trying to turn this into another gamergate and I'm afraid it's actually working.
Game journalists are making Asmongold and Pewdiepie the face of the SKG movement.
>Many developers are now urging #StopKillingGames organizers to take a firmer stance against hate groups and clarify the movement’s values. “Preservation without protection is meaningless,” said Aviv Salinas, co-creator of Blood Nova. “We need to preserve games and the people who make them.”
>As the campaign approaches legislative milestones, its ability to remain inclusive and principled will determine whether it becomes a force for good or another flashpoint in gaming’s long-running culture wars.
That article is a load of fucking sjw sludge.
They're really playing dirty now, how the fuck do we stop them?

>>715518386
>NOOOOOO!!!! WE HAVE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY!!! THINK OF OUR IP!!!
Anti SKG jeets are something else man

>>715516660 (OP)
I take back anything bad I said about Final Fantasy Dimensions 2 and instead I thank it for existing because it shuts retards like you up.

>>715521089
i can make games dump their server files by just not buying them?
no, fuck off, this shit doesn't get solved by the free market, you need to threaten them to not kill games just like you need to threaten people with prison to not kill

>>715521208
SHILL COPYPASTA, DO NOT ENGAGE
THIS IS POSTED IN EVERY SINGLE ANTI-SKG THREAD BY A PAJEET SHILL

>>715520873
>that's literally the bare fucking minimum and it costs you fucking nothing
>JUST GIVE ME THE FUCKING SERVER CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DON'T CARE ABOT YOUR IP AND LICENCES!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S SO SIMPLE IT'S MY CONSOOOOOOMER RIGHTS!!!!!!!!
the ignorance is off the scale

Why are they trying so fucking hard to turn SKG into another Gamergate?

>>715521281
fuck of corpo rat
we're gonna get what we want and there's nothing you can do about it

>>715520915
>appeals to emotion
Like exactly what you're doing?

>>715521259
>shills for communism
>wonders why nobody takes you seriously.
SKGfags need a fucking reality check

>>715520996
you wouldn't be able to do this, its a voluntary exchange - take it or leave it, you only get a temporary service
if you rent a room or pay for a taxi - thats exactly what you get, you dont get any property rights

any possible regulation would only force the companies to be more clear about it not to mislead the customers

>>715520767
>we lost so much money by turning off the requirement to connect to a server! Our intern had to replace THREE whole files and edit a SINGLE line of code!

>>715521281
>NOOOOO LET ME BE A KIKE IN PEACE
dumb nigger
if the law didn't protect this shit they'd get fucking lynched
this shit is so immoral it can only persist through overwhelming legal protections

>>715521296
It's incredibly funny seeing the left, who calls themselves anticapitalist and anti establishment fall for every single one of their tricks time and time again.
We can already see the context shift happen in real time, it's so fucking sad.

>>715521356
occam's razor fallacy

>>715521343
>consumer rights are comunism
Do burgers really?

>>715521296
associate something with a thing that has negative connotations and it's easier to topple it

>>715521387
>WHAT???? I CAN'T PLAY LOLI BATTLE ROYALE WITH 1 OTHER PERSON? SHUTTING THIS GAME DOWN IS IMMORAL!!!!!!!!

Funny how the loudest voices in SKG never made a game, but they sure know how to demand indies to sacrifice everything.

>>715516660 (OP)
>killing gacha games
Ross, I fucking KNEEL.

>>715521326
sure corpo rat, except when you can't provide any examples
>>715521343
ANOTHER CORPO SHILL
ANTI-SKG SHILLS CALL SKG COMMUNISM FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN TO PAINT IT IN A BAD LIGHT BY ASSOCIATION

>>715516660 (OP)
Metal Slug Attack and Megaman XDive were gachas turned into single player games, they also sold them again as a standalone game, so there's at least some money to be made.

>>715521475
being a fucking petty niggerkike that chooses to wipe the game out of existence when you already made your bag off it and could easily dump the files does indeed make you immoral

>>715521547
You literally just called me a "corpo rat" I don't see how that isn't an appeal to emotion
reddit brain

>>715518854
Good thing they're not required to provide support for getting the thing to run, they only need to provide binaries that can provably work.

>>715521547
Stop fucking spamming the thread and answer the fucking question

>>715521352
ANOTHER CORPO SHILL
CORPO SHILLS WILL USE FALSE EQUIVALENCE COMPARISONS LIKE "YOU DON'T OWN THE CINEMA" OR SIMILAR WHICH IS OBVIOUS BULLSHIT
IGNORE AND MOVE ON, THEY WILL ONLY ARGUE IN BAD FAITH

>>715521582
>NOOOO YOU'RE A KIKE FOR NOT LETTING ME SUCK YOUR COCK DRY I NEED GAMES
go outside

>>715521352
renting a room or a taxi is a service
buying a videogame is a product, just like buying food, a phone or whatever
learn the difference

>>715521586
you are a corpo rat though, nothing emotional about that, just a matter of fact, you corpo shill rat

>>715516660 (OP)
>vidya industry
>gacha

>>715521281
This was standard not so long ago, and many games still give dedicated server tools today. There's no excuse.

>now have to keep servers up for eternity
No you don't, it has been stated MULTIPLE TIMES that you are not required to support the game forever after you decide to shut it down
if it's a one time purchase game, then you have to provide an end-of-life plan, to leave the game in a playable state, if it's a subscription based, you can just shut it down, as it is a service.
If it's a f2p game, they can shut down the servers at any time they want, they don't even have to leave the game in a playable state
what they have to do is for the players to somehow have access to the microtransaction purchases they made within the game, so if it's character pulls, skins, whatever, then having the game in a playable state would be required for players to be able to access the things they purchased, as accessing those characters would require for you to also be able to play with those characters.

Why is it that people always make these ludicrous, disingenuous lies about things they don't understand? You only had to read the fucking FAQ
Did you listen to Nepopirate lying about the initiative and build your view from that entirely?

>>715521683
>I hate you and you're a bad person so you're wrong
digging your own grave

>>715521003
copyright is rentseeking and does more harm than good, but good luck changing it, when every corporation is sending their best lawyers and lobbyists to keep it int their favour so Disnoy can milk toons for 100 year and Nintendo can sue anyone into bankruptcy for streaming their games

>>715521403
those are plants
the big majority of liberal lgbts are, except the few naive enough or politically uneducated that fall for the propaganda
true lgbt people are socialists at minimum

The gaming industry just laid off tens of thousands of jobs this year alone, it's not in a good state at the moment. This movement is just another kick in the teeth while they're already down.
These demands are absolutely unrealistic and are impossible especially for indies to implement.
It will also have other unforeseen consequences like increased inflation and a possible collapse of the industry. SKG isn't the consumer rights win you think it is.

>>715516660 (OP)
I don't really care that much about it but I'm happy that Piratefaggot was the biggest bitch made from all this.

>>715521352
>be more clear about their intentions
You fucking got it, retard

>>715521645
Bet you can't do that in your shit-infested streets, saar.

>>715521352
I am sorry anon, it's only the US where such jewery festers freely. In the rest of the world eula means shit if it goes against the law. The law is amended and rewritten constantly and it will happen again.
>but what about different unrelated things
lol
>any possible regulation would only force the companies to be more clear about it not to mislead the customers
I trust fears of AAA industry more than your incompetent assessment and they are loosing their shit right now.

>>715521746
>noooo don't call me out!
eceryone, notice how this corpo rat doesn't say "i'm not a corpo rat", just that i'm a bad person for calling it

>>715521765
>indies
Shut the fuck up. Indie shitters trying to make online only shit failed years before SKG. And the initiative doesn't apply to them.

>>715521645
>IT'S OKAY TO BE A FUCKING CUNT JUST BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY LAWS AGAINST IT
if you went outside you'd know that laws are not in fact set in stone
i doubt you wait for the green light to cross the road every single time

>>715517274
It wouldn't kill gachas at all. It would only require them to leave the game at a playable state. There are gachas that have done this, once the game has shut down their servers, they've given players an offline version of the game that they can still access.

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
their movement outright says this isnt what theyre asking for you dumb fuck
>detractors get to laugh at your game and you have no way to pull it now without repercussions
good
now you have to make the game right
>gacha game
oh no how horrible they might not be able to make these anymore.....

realistically what it means is that when they shut them down the people that spent money on them are allowed to run private servers
if any of tis actually goes through

did any gacha players really enjoy knowing theyd lose all the stuff they paid for when the game got shut down?
i think theyd be thrilled knowing companies might have to actually somehow not screw over the people that actually bought shit

on the other hand
an actual end of life plan might encourage more sales because people would have confidence theyd get to keep playing beyond end of life

You can’t demand free labor from indie devs just because you paid $30 once in 2016. That’s not justice, that’s entitlement.

>>715516660 (OP)
Jason we know you hate SKG. But you lost. Move on, nepo baby.

reminder this started because of a shitty ubisoft game. reminder to not care at all. you shouldnt play online only slop in the first place. vote with your wallet if you want to change the industry you fucking spamming retard discord troons

So let me get this straight and clear.
The ENTIRE anti SKG argument is essentially:
>NOOOOOOOOO WE CAN'T JUST NOT STEAL YOUR MONEY
>THINK OF HOW ITS PROFITABLE FOR US TO JUST TAKE YOUR MONEY AND TELL YOU TO FUCK OFF
>WE ARE ENTITLED TO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND GIVE YOU NOTHING IN RETURN
>WE WILL SUFFER FINANCIALLY IF WE PROVIDE YOU WITH THE THING YOU BOUGHT!!
>SO JUST GIVES US YOUT MONEY, GET NOTHING AND GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!
That's fucking crazy. Not a single industry on this planet is so openly hostile towards it's own customers.

>>715522023
>copy/pasting the same debunked argument every single thread
try harder shill

>>715522023
dumping the server files costs literal pennies
drop all your shit, tell people you'll only host it for a month and you can then fuck off

>>715519960
>the argument is whether or not you have any legal basis to compel them to do so, and you are failing over and over again to prove one should be able to compel this legally.
The proof is that the citizens want the law changed. In all this combative posturing and bravado you seem to have forgotten that laws are things that people change when they don't like them.
>dont like it? DONT FUCKING BUY IT
Don't like the changed law? Don't do business there.
Don't like the fact that citizens can petition for laws to be changed? Move somewhere they can't.

>>715522047
Those guys are the same masochists who love CBT stuff btw

>>715522047
>Not a single industry on this planet is so openly hostile towards it's own customers.
you are like a little baby

>>715516846
fpbp

>>715522047
you made this industry when you bought keys to the crates, retard. its all the consumers fault, control your impulses you drooling monkeybrain

>>715521814
never said you were a bad person
now you're just lying
>lying
>appeal to emotion
lmao

>>715522042
>PLEASE IGNORE THE PROBLEM
No. Dilate.

>>715522047
>Not a single industry on this planet is so openly hostile towards it's own customers.
Monsanto? Health insurance? Photoshop cancellation fees? Plenty of examples of awful corporate behaviour.

>>715522102
actually, a correction
https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#north-america
it costs two fucking cents per gb
and indies are less than that

>>715522023
it's not free if I paid $30 for it

>>715522193
I'd rather just own the things I buy. That's how it's worked for millenia.

>>715516846
fippybippy

>>715516660 (OP)
Just make a banner with all units from a base farmable currency the game already has and leave the current version for download/purchase.

It's not even hard to solve.

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
Disingenuous from the start. Why do you have such a hard time being honest?

>>715522209
>noooo don't call me out!
corpo rat

>>715522047
>That's fucking crazy. Not a single industry on this planet is so openly hostile towards it's own customers.
you don't have a job, I can tell

>>715522164
>no argument
Thank you so much for your insightful comment!

>>715522193
so you're suggesting we should have an industry wide consumer brainwashing instead of just passing a law to make corpos do a good deed for once?

>>715522023
It's not about games from 2016. It's about games in 2026 onward. We can't change the past. It's the future being targeted here.

>>715522272
>he keeps doing it lol

>>715516660 (OP)
>now you have to stop making gacha games
ohh noooooo how terrible

>>715522216
What the fuck is "monsanto industry" or "photoshop industry"? I am pretty sure those are singular companies. And health insurance industry is only fucked in US, in europe it's pretty okay.

>>715522246
you dont own online services retard

>>715520981
>"well you agreed to this" is not a guise, its literally what you agreed to.
And the point of the proposed changes to the law is that "you agreed to it" is no longer a valid argument in this circumstance. The same way we no longer recognize "you agreed to this" as a valid defense of other clauses considered illegal.

>>715522285
>fanfiction
And you are a nigger I can tell.

>>715516660 (OP)
Think twice before making a shitty moneygrubbing gacha games or you will get brutally raped and shanked by niggers in prison.

I see this as an absolute win.

>>715522364
You do when you host the server.

>>715522310
nothing good comes from wanting to play the crew forever. you shouldnt have bouhht online only games to begin with. its your own fault

Exit scammers need to find a better grift, and publishers need to be more upfront about the end of their services. It's common sense, something shills are not paid to display.

>>715522364
one time pruchase software is a product, not a service retard

>>715522364
Those are just a corporate ploy to take away my ownership of products. I'd like to stick to owning things like it's worked for millenias.

>>715522210
who are you quoting, skizzo?

>>715522364
Holy fuck you are actually retarded lmao

>>715522364
Yes I do? I own the dedicated server I WILL be provided with.

>>715522306
anon, what do you want me to say
how agriculture companies literally disable tractors if you don't service them with them for thousands of dollars?
or how car manufacturers are starting to do the same?
or how american food industry is using literal carcinogens?
or how american car dealership will straight up lie to you to make you sign a financing contract?
or how airlines hit passengers with 70 quid fines if their backpack strap hangs out too much?
or the american healthcare industry?
or dozens of other examples?

>>715522436
Online only games should be discouraged. It should've been that way since the day when people were forced to connect to a server to play SimCity or when people couldn't play Diablo 3 on launch because of login issues. (Says a lot that the same exact thing happened with Diablo 4 years later)

>>715522364
Good thing that one time purchase video games are not considered services.
If a game is a service ( like World of Warcraft ), they are within their rights to shut down the game and not give players a playable, offline version, because they paid for a subscription.

>>715521651
learn to read. its all about service 'games' - you don't buy a good, you only pay for a service (or dont even pay anything for f2p/gachas)
this shouldn't be so hard to understand

>>715521784
eulas are written by lawyers according to the laws, there are no laws enforcing any service to be provided indefinitely or any laws granting any ownership to the customers of a service
you dont like real-world examples but legally its exactly the same as digital services, you pay for cloud service - thats all you get, you don't get any ownership, this shouldn't be so hard to understand

>>715522417
awwwwww someone's offended little baby man

>>715522047
Service industry in burgerland assumes the customers will pay their employees wages
Plenty of animation/film studios make dei-ed versions of properties not respecting the source material at all
Corpos slap pride stickers on everything in hopes of getting the lgbt to spend more money, instant gay month is off the pride stickers go away
Automobile dealerships thrive off of overselling shit to customers

>defending gacha Skinnerbox jpeg viewer
Kys

>>715522452
you never owned them in the first place, especially if you buy digital. we warned you years ago, but monkey brained niggers like you are too stupid to just not buy shitty games, especially digital only

Are those commies all literally underage, or just USAnian? I've been here for 17 years and I've never seen easier (You) farming.

>>715517087
If you had valid criticism, copypasting it would take exactly the same amount of effort.

>>715522436
>i-it's your fault you stepped on a turd
Well I didn't and it stinks either way. I will just make it a law to make shitting on streets illegal altogether you disgusting poojeet.

>>715516660 (OP)
no they just need to plan for an offline mode rather than just taking people's money and running.

>>715522608
>you never owned them in the first place
Bingo. That's the problem we're solving, glad to have you on board.

>>715522593
the vast majority of games are a one time-buy products, not services
this shouldn't be so hard to understand

>>715522597
Struck a nerve, huh, niglet

>>715522436
and the chances of the industry magically fixing itself with all the live service shit are zero even if people don't buy it because it requires doing slightly more work for what? goodwill? like they care about that
the only thing that can fix this is the same thing that makes people not commit crimes aka the law
it's either a consumer willpower based stick or a government issued stick

>>715516660 (OP)
>gacha game
>vidya industry
Look at this dumb nigger and laugh!

>>715522193
>you made this industry when you bought keys to the crates
I never bought any keys to any crates, yet I'm still being affected by how game publishers' greedy tactics. Also, "some people are willing to let me exploit them, therefore exploiting people is good" is a terrible argument.

>>715522593
>you don't buy a good,
but i do
no amount of corpo gaslighting will convince anyone in this thread, you corpo motherfucker

> you have no idea what intellectual property is
Pure Dunning-Kruger, love it!

>>715522646
take your meds, retard

>>715522625
No? What a fucking retard LMAO. You will argue with a street sign

>>715522593
>eulas are written by lawyers according to the laws
No, eulas are commonly written with complete bullshit and companies just get away with it, because it's a legally grey area and nobody fought them on it yet. See "destroy your disc on game ban" clause that many AAA companies write there.
But the new once will be written according to the new laws, yes. What's your point?

>>715522597
kek u mad

>>715522735
>some people are willing to let me exploit them, therefore exploiting people is good
yeah, thats not the argument mongoloid. its your own fault for falling for a scam so obvious

>>715516660 (OP)
You dumb nigger you should be executed for stupidity.

>>715522523
Quiet literally every single you wrote is only a problem is US. Feels bad to live in a jew golem state, I guess

>>715516660 (OP)
How do gachas even come into play here. Are they not F2P games and technically services? You arent entitled to something you havent paid for

>>715516660 (OP)
> This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
> Gatchashit
GOOD
Kill it with fire
Based Ross

>>715522892
But why should the scam be allowed?

>>715522740
We're shitting on you for fun. You need to have a brain to be able to be convinced.

>>715522360
All the AA and indie studios aren't affected by SKG and aren't really hostile to their customers either, it's just a few giants like Ubisoft. Monsanto I think has a monopoly/near-monopoly on agricultural seeds in the USA so that's basically a whole industry by itself full of all sorts of awful practices.

>>715521889
This biggest problem with this is distribution rights. These games often contain licensed content, and those licenses expire. It's one thing for them to be able to update the game such that you download all of the data at once and remove social/multiplayer features so you no longer require a connection to a server. Make it all part of the app itself so it's Google/Apple who hosts it on their store and it's the user tasked with downloading it all. But when do they stop offering that download? Usually what kills a gacha is that it being "unprofitable" means they can't keep up the license, so they're no longer allowed to publish it and keep it up on that storefront. Someone has to pay that at the very least. If it's something they legally can't distribute anymore and you get it from a third party source or even directly from other users, at what point does it become piracy? Because I doubt all the original rights holders are going to be okay with all their IPs suddenly becoming freeware/shareware. It really will kill a lot of gachas.

>>715522812
Take a shower rajeesh

>>715522984
i'm an erupoean, but keep being ignorant i guess

>>715516660 (OP)
Wait that's how it works?
I hated SKG at first because the majority here were supporting it so I had to hate it
But I think I hate gachashit way, way more than SKG
I now support SKG

I played Far Cry 5 recently, don't ask why the northern rural america setting looked interesting and sometimes you want to eat mcdonalds.
Everywhere throughout the game there are constant reminders to minigames and leaderboards that obviously 7 years later ubisoft has shut down. If you accidentally click on one of those the game will try to connect for 2 minutes (with no way to cancel) to a service that doesn't exist until it fails.
If for any reason you lose connection to uplay the game will lock down, not pause, like hard lock you can't do anything. It literally happened during the last story sequence, the climax of the story. It almost crashed, windows asked me to shut it down.
I'm glad this company is going out of business.

>>715523004
>i was merely pretending
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

>>715523041
Licensed content that expires is bad and if this helps kill such content I welcome it.

>>715523041
>gacha game dev signs a stupid license contract with the rights holder
>somehow this is the consumers fault

>>715523106
>I hated SKG at first because the majority here were supporting it so I had to hate it
Sigh

>>715523004
>we
nonbinary corpotranny

>>715523041
That's truly an impossible problem to solve, the software licensors would need to change like three whole lines in their license. Impossible.

> 715523146
totally not a commie retard

>>715522892
What if I kill you and say it's your fault for being such a week lardass faggot? Huh? Doesn't sound so good you dumbfuck?

>>715522164
care to provide examples?

>>715516660 (OP)
Just release it with fucking backend like some game did.
Problem solved.

Corpo shit eating shill.

>>715523106
>t first because the majority here were supporting it so I had to hate it
Why?

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
How about no?

> 715523196
totally not a commie retard

>>715523206
I want things that benefit me specifically. I am a customer, not a company. I will obviously advocate for things that benefit the customer. Commies don't even understand the concept of a customer.

>>715523041
it will only allow old consumers to use the product they paid for
new consumers wouldn't be able to buy a game once it's killed obviously
for instance many games had their licenses revoked and were removed from the steam shop, but they weren't removed from the paying customer's library
it is not piracy to use a product you bought

>>715523091
You are the ignorant one you doofus. The tractor thing is old news, manufacturers got sued and assfucked long time ago. You are clueless.

With how many times it's still being misinterpreted as "having to offer endless support and a non-stop service even if it's dead", it's starting to look like a fucking false flag, I swear to god.

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
Just make an offline game like Brown Dust 1 or repackage and sell it as a single-player game like that Mega-Man gacha

>>715523330
Anon it's very obvious not a single person genuinely believes it. Outside of /v/, it's unironic shills trying to gaslight. Inside of /v/ it's just trolls who take the contrarian stance to get that sweet sweet attention.

>>715523320
They just changed a line in the eula

>>715516846
Best post, not just this thread this whole broad

>>715516660 (OP)
Hi Jason, still not understanding stop killing games properly I see

>>715523041
yes its about IP and customers dont get any IP rights so they will never get any legal protection to run their own custom servers either even if the official servers are down

>>715523252
>why
because so many people here were supported of it. I always think the opposite of /v/ as often as possible. I didn't know SKG was to screw over gacha as I never watched any of the video explanations cause usually those videos are too long.

>>715520231
>use machine where the default is infinity copies of anything on it
>faggots set up a roundabout "service" that breaks the functioning of your machine
>retards in government are convinced by these same fags that people using their machine as intended is stealing
>to prevent "stealing", laws are passed where you cannot use the machine as intended
>only the fags "own" the "right" to use their machine as intended
>you will now go to jail if you use your machine as intended
also note that the fags in question are rarely the people who made the thing you are copying infinitely

>>715523041
>it's another episode of NOOOOO ITS UNPROFITABLE FOR US TO STEAL YOUR MONEY!!! THINK OF OUR PROFITS!!! THINK OF [BULLSHIT WE FORCED ONTO OURSELVES]!! WE JUST HAVE TO SCAM YOU OUR PURCHASE!!!
Not a customer's problem.
>It really will kill a lot of gachas
And it's a good thing.

>defending gachas
holy corporate drone

>make online only game
>game fails horribly
>document your server side, publish it along with any server files you may need
>move on

>>715523237
already did a bit further up, anon

>>715523163
I didn't say it was the consumer's fault. At what point do we consider a game "killed"? Is it enough to give a final update that lets the game go offline? If the ability to download that update goes away because the game was delisted, is it enough that the end user had the opportunity to download and play the game forever, or is it considered killed once that download stops being offered? How long do they have to offer that download?

>>715517882
>furthermore, what about moderation?
>if the product is unmoderated, it could effect the ip with footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip
Why would they care about that in a product they effectively abandoned?

>>715523320
oooh, so it got resolved so it's no-no to talk about it now?
no fuck you, i'll keep mentioning it everywhere so people don't forget to hate all the fucking corpos
fuck off and die

>>715523380
And the farmers have the right to repair their tractors with whatever they want. And if they are prohibited, they will assrape manufactorers again. This is how it should be, but corpo slave mind for some reason doesn't understand. You only ever have rights you are willing to fight for.
>no, we should all just bend over and get fucked by companies, actually

>>715519521
>Sure we'll patch the game so it runs on your machine
>Just gotta uprade to W11

>>715523376
> could Ross be an inarticulate retard who scribbled a text full of contradictions? No, it's people who are wrong!

>>715517882
>footage of unsanctioned mods they dont approve of or footage of cheaters running amok in their ip
>meanwhile 50% of everybody in multiplayer games is cheating on official servers and at every esports tournament

>>715523525
BUT PEOPLE WONT BUY MY NEXT SCAM!

>>715523551
They don't have to offer that download. They just need to allow people who already have the game to keep playing it.
And if they're using Steam, Steam is the one offering the download, not them.

>>715523554
obviously corporations care a lot about moderation
like facebook, which removes all those fake and scam ads for products that don't exist or are snake oil, or are straight up AI scams

no wait

My only issue with SKG is with giving access to the EU to regulate shit, how will that affect how private servers are moderated. The EU cares way too much about children and how they interact with media and their online interactions with strangers. See how harsh many corporations are about banning people from playing games just for saying "gg" 5 times with my fingers covering the rest of the word? This is all done to protect those children. They'll have to hold server owners accountable.

>>715523628
its ok when fat jew does this to your whole library

>>715517432
this literally happened to me

>>715523685
what are the contradictions
quote them
and they must be findable quotes or your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>>715516660 (OP)
Based

>>715523628
what are you on about retard

What I don't get is HOW exactly he enforces this
He has petition support, but what is the actual force behind this movement?

>>715523715
EU will enforce 50% women and non-whites representation on your severs

>>715523715
but thats the problem on parents
what the fuck is doing a 12 year old playing games rated 18?
and if the whole rating doesnt work (which doesnt)
it shouldn't exists at all

>>715523715
>company bans you for saying gg
>it's the EUs fault
???

Capcom already solved this when no one asked them to
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2183650/MEGA_MAN_X_DiVE_Offline/

To celebrate communism, I will reinstall cowadooty 1 and play some multiplayer

I know this is an EU petition so it only affects the EU. what if a company simply says 'Okay we just won't sell in the EU'. What's Ross master plan if that happens?

>>715523817
95% of petitions even with bigger support and for real cause like environmentalism are still thrown away
so this is just a nothingburger to shitpost about

>>715516660 (OP)
>Dump final test client into a Mega folder and call it a day
Wow that was hard

>>715523946
Nothing happens, companies can do that if they want

>>715523946
Do you realize how big the european gaming market is?

>>715523946
I guess celebrate that there's less dogshit clogging his country and better games can thrive?

>>715523946
>we go back to when we imported things from japan
whats the problem exactly?

>>715523956
100% of passed ECIs got changes implemented

>>715522992
thats not whats being advocated. they try to keep the scam alive. if you want the scam to stop, you have to kill games. i wouldve signed this shit if it were actively willing to ban all live service, gacha and microtransaction bullshit. youre the one supporting to keep it alive. think for a second.

>>715523946
>global corpo
>willing to sacrifice 1/3 of global market
you must be a successful businessman if you think that's the way things go

>>715523715
>"The game is 18+"

>>715523946
If they're willing to do that bullshit then that's a telltale sign that quality of experience is not they top priority and they don't deserve my money anyway.

>>715523946
Even better. Giant market is now free of live service trash? Sign me the fuck up.

>>715516660 (OP)
SKG doesn't involve f2p games

>>715523946
That just means less EU gatcha games.
No AAA company will want to miss out on a population bigger than the US.

>>715516660 (OP)
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
You don't, you are supposed to pass some devkit to let us do our own servers or at least let us keep the data locally, you dumb chump
You aren't supposed to upkeep it, you are supposed to let us upkeep it.
Now, stop pretending to be retarded, and read the damn thing.

Most likely scenario for gacha games if this thing passes

>developers just stop making gacha games
>depending on the wording of the law. gacha games will be advertised as single player games with optional multiplayer elements. once the game goes down, a barebones single player mode will be left available for download to fulfil their contractual obligation to 'not kill games.'
>developers find legal loop holes. The most likely loop hole is that they create shell companies to sell the right of the game to. shell company are now the legal owners and it's their responsibility to keep the game up. instead they just fold the shell company.
>they transfer the rights to another company/individual. depending on the game and if it's an original IP, they can transfer the right to the game and IP to another company. think of a country who has money to throw around, but no talent to make games. the biggest one to come to mind is Saudi Arabia and it's countless oil prince. Imagine some rich kid just buying the rights to Blue Archive and then holding the rights to release a Blue Archive anime/movie/toy line/etc. Rich people/companies can just buy up dead gacha games to see if they can squeeze any life left from it. A country like India or Saudia Arabia suddenly gains a small foothold in the video game industry by buying dead gacha games and investing money to revive them or whatever.

>>715523827
It's not (now).
I mean that that'll be used as an argument.
Sure we're intelligent enough but these people don't even know USB-C is no fucking standard, so what hope do we have of having them just reason that it doesn't fucking matter that children might not get properly supervised by their parents because it's still their responsibility?

>>715523826
I'm not arguing otherwise, but even then for instance, let's take something similar to Splatoon or Minecraft. Those games are for children mostly, but lots of adults play. Should we then push the rating to +18 to -any- multiplayer game whatsoever?

>>715516660 (OP)
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today

>>715524043
the EU wouldnt throw one of its own to the hounds in the first place. this whole movement is from a bunch of armchair activists that have no idea what theyre doing

>>715523817
It is ECI, not change org petition. After signatures are verified this will be presented to EU commission and they have 6 months to respond to this and propose legislation or reject it

>>715524041
It's not a scam if you get to keep playing the game

>>715524041
No, you are just a sperg who has a mindset of a maximalist teenager and will never achieve anything real.

>>715524128
I'll worry about things as they happen

>>715524143
Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahhahahhahehehehehehehehhehehehehehhhhhe
>EU green deal

>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
Uhh...GOOD? Jewish businessmen trying to chase the next Fortnite to afford their 5th yacht should fuck off back to shareholding movies.

>>715516660 (OP)
good i want it to die it gives nothing of value
i want all live service gone

>>715516660 (OP)
>Get punished for making exploitative garbage
Good?
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
Also good? If publishers and investors refuse to fund non-shit games then they deserve to go under and let competent people take over the industry.

>>715524324
And as you have no way to revert them back because you asked for it? Foresight where?

>>715524117
SKG is only about games that are sold as products but treated as services
Gachas are not sold as products and are entirely treated as services
SKG exclusively applies to AAA online only games

>>715524398
What? Why would it be difficult to revert server censorship?

Why can't we just have single player gachas? Just make it time based on the real date of the world.

>>715524472
Because it would be unlawful?

>>715523956
>95% of petitions even with bigger support and for real cause like environmentalism are still thrown away
name 3

>>715516660 (OP)
>>make gacha game
>>it flops
>>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
>>detractors get to laugh at your game and you have no way to pull it now without repercussions
All this is a good thing thoughbiet

>>715524043
there's a lot of games that get region locked to where you can't get them outside of Japan or certain countries in Asia.
DOA Xtreme Venus Vacation is region locked and if you were to try to install it now on steam you'd find that even a VPN doesn't work anymore, you have to literally change your steam store region by making a purchase in the proper region's currency, and it locks your account to that region for 3 months.

So likely they'll just region lock EU more.

>>715516660 (OP)
Imagine non-gacha gacha games, would be so fucking based and will blow western AAA completely out of the water

>>715524128
>Should we then push the rating to +18 to -any- multiplayer game whatsoever?
yes
kids should be playing on the streets not on a fucking screen wasting their youth

This thread proves that SKG supporters do not understand what they're supporting.

>>715516660 (OP)
>>make gacha game
>>it flops
Good
Stopped reading there btw.

>>715523628
Games are going to stop supporting Windows 10 or older eventually.
Windows 10 will stop being supported in a few months
I don't want to make the move but I'm going to have to.

>>715524585
Already exists, Mega Man X Dive, the one good decision Capcom has made in the last 10 years

>>715524580
Anon, US laws literally forbid companies from doing so because they must optimise for investor profits and investors will always take 5% loss and forcing employees to work more for less than 30% loss

>>715524541
he can't, he's a shill with a shill tactic, it's a classic "everyone else failed, why bother?"

>>715524628
>This thread proves that I am trans
Good for you, sister!

>>715524628
Describe it then.

>>715524585
holocure

>>715516660 (OP)
>commies seething yet again
typical

>>715524619
You could apply this to all videogames.
Kids are already used to this shit too much to just keep them away from them til 18. It's already being excruciatingly painful to take measures against them doing what their fucking parents did when they were 12 (sexting each other, just with iphones instead of nokia bricks).

>>715524534
Changing the law is unlawful?

>>715524684
they already just region lock from the US too.

>>715516660 (OP)
Make an offline version after it dies like nintendo did with ac pocket camp?
Also if skg prevents more shitty fotm gacha games thats just a bonus lol

>>715524673
NEW* games will stop supporting W10 eventually
just like no new game nowadays supports win98
but if you bought a win98 game back then, and still have a win98 computer right now, you can still insert the disc and play it
just like if you buy a win10 game today you should be able to play it on your win10 pc
that's like asking for a ps1 being able to play ps5 games, that's not what skg is about
that's a non-issue you're bringing up

>>715516660 (OP)
IIRC the initiative does not even apply to this scenario.

>>715524241
more than you ever will because i'm not addicted to crappy online games and cries to a trade union to keep his dopamine button alive lol

>>715516660 (OP)
>allow people to host own servers on their home PC's
>???
>profit
Die you retarded zoomer.

>>715524849
my nokia brick is still on my car as "emergency phone"

>>715525074
but then how will the poor corporations force you to buy the shittier new game!?

>>715524805
>commies seething
>commies
you mean capitalists?
You know, the ones who are all-in on usury, selling out and taking advantage of people?
The ones who want to monetize everything?
The ones who'd charge you subscription for breathing if they could.
I get why commies are demonized but they're not the ones defending mega corporations and celebrating the removal of every freedom and right you have as a customer... or at least they shouldn't be

>>715524518
>Why can't we just have single player gachas?
Moemon and Touhoumon exist. Thought I would also appreciate more options, admittedly.

>>715525156
>I get why commies are demonized but they're not the ones defending mega corporations and celebrating the removal of every freedom and right you have as a customer...
Where have you been the past decade?

>>715525156
>I get why commies are demonized but they're not the ones defending mega corporations
Yes they are. It just depends on WHAT megacorporation.

>>715525265
name one

>>715524753
It's a petition to the EU to start a conversation about GaaS being sold to consumers as products and not services and aims to either establish a post life plan for online-only games OR get corporations to end the ambiguity of what they're selling and properly inform the customer that what they're getting isn't a game but a license that gives them access to a service that may not be a perpetual service.
It is about services being commercialized as digital goods. It does not affect games that aren't sold, so it completely excludes free to play games, which gachas are, from the conversation.

>>715521727
>if it's a one time purchase game, then you have to provide an end-of-life plan, to leave the game in a playable state, if it's a subscription based, you can just shut it down, as it is a service.

then all games will become subscription based

I think most ideas are good, outside of most Unreal/Unity games either using Steams or Epic's frameworks. So if anything happens to them, it means a majority of multiplayer games on Steam are put in a bad situation. This initiative wants to remove the ability to take games from sale, no matter how old they are. Before if a game can no longer function, nobody else can buy it anymore. If this passes through like it is, it means a developer can get truly fucked over if years later, a service they use gets fucked. They can't take it down, so they are left with trying to rewrite the codebase for a new system, this usually means hosting those services yourself which leads to more overtime payments. Unity has things publicly for this, but Unreal has the cheapest one being 1 thousand dollars. Having ways to host servers yourselves and have people join from the internet isn't what most major frameworks are made around without Steam/Epic. Most purchasable packs for modern engines don't support dedicated servers anyways. Who's to say this is profitable?

What's being asked for is a foolproof plan for games where it's illogical to do so. It's going to lead to a few developers making dedicated server support, and overcharging devs for access to backend to add to their games. It's going to kill multiplayer games and multiplayer modes as a whole as a viable option for Indies outside people using Source's matchmaking system in Source. And depending on the requirements, it could fuck over already existing games if they want to sell in the EU. I personally expect many games to stop selling in the EU instead of dealing with this, and it's mostly going to be indies that won't be able to afford the changes.

>>715525156
>oh no I'm being "fucked over"
>oh i'm being taken advantage of
>oh no they are stealing from me
>all because a game with five players was taken offline

>>715524946
new games, and games that are live service.
like I used to play Guild Wars, and the game is still up on servers after 20 years, but when it released, it supported Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, and Windows XP.

None of those can be used to log into the game anymore. The oldest they allow on is Vista.

Having to update your OS to a supported OS isn't limited to SKG, it's part of any live service game, which is what this petition is even about. This petition has 0 to do with single player games that never get "killed" anyway.

>>715525039
Well I don't even play online games and I don't have to write fanfiction about you. I see from your posts that you are a moron and your approach to problem solving is to sit on your ass and dream about perfect solution instead of doing anything.

>>715525318
sure anon, this will totally happen

Neo-/v/‘s gacha worship is insane. When did this shit start being acceptable here?

>>715516660 (OP)
since steam only sells LICENSES to games, by proxy any game sold on steam is automatically exempt from any retardo legislation this brings about, since you aren't buying the game but merely a license to access the servers :^)

>>715525329
Why are you anti-ownership?

>>715525303
so why did you say SKG SUPPORTERS don't understand, when half of the supporters in this thread are saying gacha games wouldn't fall under it?

>>715525156
>wanting to own things is actually capitalist not communist chuddie
kill yourself tranny

Why do we even need this initiative
If this shit was as big a deal as moldman was making it out to be people would just refuse to buy games with mandatory online connectivity but they don't because nobody really cares

>>715525295
Nintendo. When it comes to gaming, it has one of the biggest concentrations of commies.

>>715524890
Reverting censorship on a server that by regulations needs to have it would be.
It's not unlawful to change the law. Reverting censorship is more like a dream, a miracle at this point. I don't think you can possibly argue that we need to make children "unsafe".

>>715525329
>RRREEEEEE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STEAL YOUR MONEY BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T USING THIS PRODUCT

>>715525438
Because the more vocal half of them are clearly acting like they do.

>>715525382
>This petition has 0 to do with single player games that never get "killed" anyway

>>715525318
And the industry collapses because it is way harder to sell subscriptions. Or someone makes an initiative against subscriptions

>>715518167
>Just imagine the sheer unending mockery that an early 2000s server would deliver if they spotted some retard who paid hundreds for cosmetics
The people getting bullied now are those who don't spend money on cosmetics

>>715525152
Thankfully the old days have an answer to that as well!
You see when the game companies wanted to sell a new game, they would do this really neat trick where they would release a "Sequel" and improve the gameplay of the previous one, add new game modes, improve the graphics, or continue on from the story if the last game, sometimes even all four!
And the craziest part was that this actually WORKED! They actually managed to get shut-in nerds to stand in line outside a gamestop in freezing weather until midnight so that they could be one of the first to play these "Sequels" as they called them.

>>715525409
>>715525541
Nobody is stealing from you or taking your money, you fucking fell for it LOL

>>715525402
This is what will change after this petition passes anon:^).

>>715525075
Yup, those still work.
But my point is those people texting each other as early teenagers are now in their late 30s and some of them have kids that age.

>>715525508
and which commie is actually defending nintendo?

>>715520873
so out of curiosity, have you considered hosting costs and bandwidth costs for serving these files that have been 'dumped'? Why should I be forced to continue to pay upkeep to serve you these files after my product has reached end of life or my company has gone bankrupt?

>>715525614
i know . also that worked till 20 years ago when they stoped doing that

>>715525549
You said it yourself. Acting. It's in response to people claiming this will kill gacha games. Because the funnier /v/ response is not "ermm ackshually-", it's "good, kill them"

>>715525617
So they are scamming me instead. And scams should not be forbidden why exactly

>>715516660 (OP)
>shills continue to misrepresent the movement
more at 11

>>715525617
>buy thing
>thing gets stolen by the same corporation i got it
>nobody is stealing or taking your money!!
fucking retard

>>715525556
yes, the crew is an online service game.
not a single player game that you just play on your local system.

>>715516660 (OP)
The Megaman X and Senran Kagura gachas did it. Why shouldn't others be expected to follow suit?
>whales happy they go to flex during the game's lifespan
>dolphins pleased they can unlock what they didn't buy
>f2ps joyful they can finally experience the full game

>>715525676
>please, think about those poor corporations
no, fuck off

>>715525648
yea i understand
friend i used to go out with when i was 15 have 2 girls around 15

>>715525303
>It does not affect games that aren't sold, so it completely excludes free to play games, which gachas are, from the conversation.
No. Even in their own material it includes gacha games. Because they sell microtransactions, which means they need an end of life plan too for you to be able to use the things you paid for.

>>715525318
They already tried after WOW became massive. It turns out people can only really stomach one or two subscriptions at a time, so that avenue completely collapsed.

>>715525745
>I call it stealing so it is, even though stealing is a legal definition that isn't what I'm claiming it is
how's it like being mentally retarded?

>>715525617
>Nobody is stealing
>you fell for it
Fell for what?

>>715525676
>have you considered hosting costs and bandwidth costs for serving these files that have been 'dumped'?
yes that will cost the companies billions! and will eat all their profit!

>>715525528
I can

Gachas are free to play skg only applies to games you’ve bought

>>715525614
Sometimes sequels are bad and people would prefer to play the originals.
Case in point, Overwatch.

>>715525789
>I have no rebuttal, my argument can't withstand a single, simple question
this is why any legislation this brings about will never do anything, just like for every other one of these retarded 'citizens initiatives' cope, seethe, dilate

>>715525745
>thing gets stolen
literally did not happen lol

>>715525827
>how's it like being mentally retarded?
dunno, i dont defend coporations you tell me

>>715525329
>buy game
>it can be taken from you at any time
>the importance of your rights of ownership depend on whether some faggot on 4chan thinks enough people owned the thing for it to matter
Good to know.

>>715525863
>>715525882

I will never understand why this retard keeps calling people "communists" when the movement is literally pro-consumer.

>>715525882
no, i just don't feel the need to explain myself to corporate shills
fuck off and die you fucking bootlicker

>>715525761
no it was a solo game with forced online for no reason

>>715525914
>dat pic
America in a nutshell.

>>715525926
>it can be taken from you at any time
never did

>>715525914
concession accepted

>>715525676
You don't have to pay upkeep. You can be against the movement, but could you at the very least criticize it for what it actually is instead of making things up?
Corpos wouldn't have to indefinitely host servers, they just have to release a server that is usable for consumers, meaning that the consumer hosts it themselves and connects to it (either locally or to someone else's server).
Just like how you can play WoW without connecting to Blizzards official servers.

>>715516660 (OP)
If only

>>715525941
Because he's a contrarian shill who can't actually fault SKG but desperately depends on opposing it for attention.

CORPORATIONS FEAR THE MOLD MAN
SHILLS MUST KNEEL NOW OR FACE TOTAL DESTRUCTION

>>715516660 (OP)
why did you bother running a server when it could've been p2p in the first place? It's literally saving you time and money.

>>715525947
sure thing retard, make up whatever story you want to cover up the fact that this movement was poorly thought out by a bunch of dumb faggots who've never had to interact with society and can't fathom the idea that they aren't entitled to the slave labor of others

>>715525507
Clearly over a million people do care. Voting with their wallets hasn't worked, so they're trying to get it written into law that studios have to leave their games in a playable state (or provide the tools for players to do so) when they stop supporting them. Why does that bother you?

>>715525941
because it's a paid shill and it's a tactic to paint the movement in negative light. that's why they use all these comparisons, commies, gamergate nazis, anti-lgtvbbq, goverment whatever, eu sucks, etc etc

>>715525992
???? It has happened multiple times this year alone

>>715525676
Don't ask SKG supporters this, they demonstrably reply only with insults because they know it's a genuine problem

>>715526005
>Just like how you can play WoW without connecting to Blizzards official servers.
wait till the retards tell you the servers are paid by somebody because they never learned to host their own

>>715526079
then it'll fail and that'll be that, what are you so afraid of? :)

>>715525507
>Why do we even need this initiative
American spotted.

>>715526005
>Corpos wouldn't have to indefinitely host servers, they just have to release a server that is usable for consumers, meaning that the consumer hosts it themselves and connects to it (either locally or to someone else's server).
you are forgetting that for people to be able to download these server binaries or other files, they need to be hosted somewhere, this costs money for both storage and bandwidth to download the files, it isn't just free
if the corporation stops paying to host the files, the files disappear, they can no longer be downloaded legally and the corporation is now in violation of the theoretical purpose of this initiative, it's dead in the water before it even started

>>715526121
every week i upload 20 or 30gbs
its costing me billions!!!

>>715526097
nobody is "stealing" your games

>>715516660 (OP)
Gachatrannies SEETHING
Real game chads WINNING
YWNBAVG, GACHATRANNY

>>715525676
Even moldman has already offered up a concession on that that they wouldn't need to provide these files indefinitely and could do so for only a few days to give people enough time to download them.

>>715526121
It costs you nothing to release server binaries at end of life.
Everyone who bought the game already has the files, no one has ever asked for games to be sold indefinitely.

>>715526084
It doesn't really bother me, I just don't see the point in it
Who the fuck is going to go and play shit like the crew 10 years after it released

>>715526154
I'm not afraid of anything, I'm laughing at you retards because you can't even address the most simple, basest of questions without sperging out and throwing tantrums
if you think that attitude is going to fly among actual legislators, the amount of butthurt when it flops is going to be legendary

>>715526220
wasn't some C&C stuff uploaded to gifttub or whatever its called?

>>715526213
Ooooh I get it, so you just post the inverse of reality and expect that to get (You)s?

>>715526121
nah, because it's pointless to talk to shills who argue in bad faith. we all know who you are, it's painfully obvious in every single thread about skg. you're transparent as fuck
fuck off and die

>>715526252
that's not the point

>>715526239
>>715526173

>>715526173
New people don't need to be able to download the game. Just the people who already bought it.
See games delisted from Steam.

>>715525471
Did you misunderstand on purpose?
wanting to sell and take away your purchase because it's not profiting as much anymore is what I was calling capitalistic.
How is it not?
Some boomer in a suit who doesn't play videogames wants to erase the hard work of devs and the access to your game just so they don't have to support it, or so they can sell their next product easier is the peak of greed

>>715526252
Moldman himself. He actually likes that game a lot because of their rendition of the US map.

>>715526252
If they kill the old stuff, there's no incentive to make the new stuff any better.

>>715526220
>Even moldman has already offered up a concession
just like he will be on the rest of it, ultimately resulting in toothless legislation that changes nothing past maybe putting in a couple 'this game has an indeterminate amount of time to play it' in small writing somewhere mixed in the 10k line ToS

>>715525904
>you had thing
>companies press a button and you don't have thing anymore
>uuhhm it's not stealing, achtualey
>...
>piracy is still theft though
This is the mind of a total and utter CORPO SLAVE subhuman

>>715526252
Thankfully the rights of ownership don't depend on whether YOU (whoever the fuck you think you are) care about the people who hold those rights.
Even if no one ever wants to play The Crew again until the end of time, that does not matter to the fact that people who purchase something own it, and for ownership to be meaningful the thing that was purchased must be functional without a games studio maintaining it.

>>715526259
anons have already addressed all of these arguments, time and time again
it's just that you shills just continue to argue in bad faith and continue to post shit like "why haven't these arguments been addressed" to paint the movement ina negative light.
everybody knows it's you
everybody knows your modus operandi
so fuck off and die please :)

>>715526306
I've yet to see a single example of a game worth preserving that this initiative would "save"

>>715526318
>https://github.com/electronicarts/CnC_Red_Alert
i didn't knew electronic arts owned gifthub

>>715526259
just like you're butthurt because your shilling doesn't work
maybe you're just mad your employer will fire you once the movement passes and he realizes you're useless

>>715516660 (OP)
>SKG is moronic
>make gacha game
stopped reading

Prioritizing predatory mechanics doesn't make a game, it makes poison with the facade of one.

>>715526385
That's what's happening right now. So your worst case scenario is current reality.

>>715526332
steam sells limited time licenses, it's not included in this because this is for GAME purchases only
that being said
>don't notice old game is shut down
>miss opportunity to download server binaries
>can't play it ever again without piracy
oopies guess that corpo is violating this initiative!!! time to fine them even if they're out of business!

>>715526318
They don't have to be hosted anywhere, they have to be stored somewhere. You can put them in the files of your game. Now what?

>>715526414
noooooo, not like that!
SHUT IT DOWN!!!!!!!

>>715526259
Holy shit anon I never thought 4chan shitposts are not a good argumentation in parlament debates. You are really smart and insightful, let me suck your gigabrain cock

>>715526409
>anons have already addressed all of these arguments, time and time again
haven't seen a valid answer to the question yet, and I also don't lurk all these threads constantly
if it was so easy to answer, a copypaste reply would have been made by now

>>715526218
jeet trying to snuck in GoY in there lmaoa

>>715526461
What is the difference between a license purchase and a game purchase
define this difference

>>715526296
>a dev patched my game
>omg they stole it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>715525960
it's an online service though.
that's the point.
your whatever the fuck examples you use of windows 95 games that were entirely played on your local machine was never the target of SKG and has nothing to do with SKG. Only online service games where they stop the servers and now you can't play them.

Making an offline version would have no bearing on whether you had to update your OS or not, in fact keeping the servers online would mean you'd DEFINITELY have to update your OS.

>>715526461
The EU will just make a server and host all the dead games

>>715526252
Eventually some (once-)popular live service game like Overwatch will go down, and people who bought the game should still have the right to play it on LAN or on community servers instead of having their software bricked because Blizzard isn't hosting the authentication servers any more.

>>715526413
See >>715526408

>>715526454
that's fine with me, I don't play live service garbage and I'm fine with corpos milking fucking retards like you
>>715526435
>incoherent screeching intensifies
>>715526473
how exactly are you going to download them if they're not available for download, numbnuts? what do you think hosting is?

>>715526408
>for ownership to be meaningful the thing that was purchased must be functional without a games studio maintaining it
Why? If the online functionality is deemed to be an integral part of the experience, it is understood that the game requires said online components in order to work at the moment of purchase, where exactly is the issue? It's not like they pulled the plug on the game after a year like what happened with a bunch of other live services, they maintained it for 10 years.

>>715526461
>>miss opportunity to download server binaries
yes because once something on its on the internet for a few days
a few months later magically disappears!

>>715526461
>without piracy
Why do you care?
>ermm, I don't care, I'm just-
yes you do care
why do you care about piracy
>I'm just making the point that-
No you're not, you're not making a point you're just whining about piracy, why are you whining about piracy?

>>715526532
>haven't seen a valid answer to the question yet
oh shit better repost all that and argue with you because YOU haven't seen an answer yet! let me get right on it, anon.
again, please fuck off and die you corporate shill:)

>>715526406
>you still have thing

>>715526602
The EU will host it

>>715526413
sure, show me your steam library and I'll give you some examples

>>715526602
>how exactly are you going to download them if they're not available for download, numbnuts? what do you think hosting is?
I know you think pretending to be a retard is the funniest thing in the world, but if you purchase the game and download the game files, if the server binaries are in those files, you already fucking have them and they don't have to be "available for download" anywhere. Everyone will already have them.

>>715526582
it was sold as a one time purchase for a computer software, therefore it's not a service it's a product
learn the difference

>>715516660 (OP)
>make gacha game
>it flops
>now have to keep servers up for eternity for the few hundred schmucks who bought waifus and skins in your shit game
Good, making bad decisions is a part of life. Blaming others for your bad decisions is immature.
They should live with their failures as a reminder of what not to do next time.

>>715526609
>If the online functionality is deemed to be an integral part of the experience, it is understood that the game requires said online components in order to work at the moment of purchase
People can host online games without the games studio supporting it, they already do.
You know you're being a total faggot by pretending this is some agreement to pay full price for a game with the acceptance that whenever the studio decides enough is enough you are happy to never play it again.

Purchase means ownership. Ownership means use. If people buy your game they are entitled to play it even after you decide it is no longer worth YOU enabling them to do so.
Neck yourself you faggot shill

>>715517237
why did you post this fucking fairy on my board?

>>715526643
Remind me how can a customer who paid money for The Crew access it now?

>>715526602
suck my dick and lick my balls asshole
no one will fall for your shilling

>>715517882
If the devs released an end of life road map at the outset they would be safe.

>>715526461
here's the thing, if they release an online version of the game it'll eventually get stored and find its way on sites including piracy sites.
if they leave it as a game as a service and end service.. you can't even play it via piracy, it's just gone unless someone has hashed together a private server emulator, which really I only hear about happening for WoW and Star Wars Galaxies.

>buy a book
>one day 3 years later the author breaks in to your house, removes all the pages and replaces them with a single page that says (you)
>this is okay because if you read the small print on your receipt you technically bought a license to read the contents of a book, not the book itself

>>715526632
>Why do you care?
because this entire movement is about making everything above board, if you can't do that then it's a laughable endeavour and I'm going to laugh at you for trying
>>715526617
so your argument is piracy solves all the issues, got it
>>715526635
>I will garner support for my movement by being an autistic faggot
protip: that doesn't actually work
>>715526684
you purchase the game when it's running, this is for end of life. If someone misses the 'patch' because they haven't played in a while, they've effectively lost access, apparently a cardinal sin according to you
>>715526543
the difference is the legal ramifications between ownership of a product vs the limited duration right to access a service

>>715526759
it was always shown to be an online service game what are you on about?

>>715526848
believe it or not, illegal activities are not a valid solution to flaws in your argument

>>715526759
>you can't just sell a product that entitles one to service
>Why not? You just can't, the big daddy megastate gets to decide what does and doesn't get sold
>everything that gets sold is subject to 100 pages of legal definitions
I cannot imagine how communism is considered attractive to anyone with a three digit IQ

>>715526905
I told you, the eu can just host the end of life files on a server.

>>715526461
Good thing piracy is allowed in EU for personal use so thats irrelevant

>>715526905
>you purchase the game when it's running,
Yeah, nah.
You wish games were a service, but they're not. And your corporate masters don't want them to be services either because then they wouldn't be able to sell digital assets in-game anymore because they cannot provide for those assets to be retained as is required under law.
>If someone misses the 'patch' because they haven't played in a while, they've effectively lost access
An end of life plan that could be "missed" like that probably wouldn't be compliant with the regulations. Now what?

>>715526916
where?
it was a one time purchase, you didn't subscribe to it, you didn't pay for a set limited time only
so show me how it was sold as such

>>715527020
>>Why not? You just can't, the big daddy megastate gets to decide what does and doesn't get sold
>>everything that gets sold is subject to 100 pages of legal definitions
>I cannot imagine how communism is considered attractive to anyone with a three digit IQ
Literally describing capitalism, but speak your truth, kween

>>715525676
yeah actually
2 pennies per gigabyte per month
https://cloud.google.com/storage/pricing#north-america

>>715516660 (OP)
>The servers
How about just making it playable offline? Like the old games?

>>715527020
that's really not the point of SKG, nice falseflagging retard

>>715526905
>so your argument is piracy solves all the issues, got it
its not piracy if its abandonaware
but holy shill how much you get paid i need extra income

>>715516660 (OP)
>This nig will unironically kill the vidya industry as it stands today
Only in europe kek, those fags are killing their economy with their regulations. No one will sell video games in the eu anymore.

>>715527045
it used to be, it isn't anymore
>>715527063
>doesn't address the actual point
you don't purchase a game after it's no longer for sale, anon
go try to buy any delisted game from steam or game not sold anymore, you'll find that you can't legally purchase it
you do buy the game when it's running, this movement is an end of life plan requirement, only it can't even address its own points
>An end of life plan that could be "missed" like that probably wouldn't be compliant with the regulations. Now what?
that's what I'm asking you, the supporters of the movement, to address, which is a valid question that any legislator is going to ask
if you have to host the files for people to download them, and that costs money, and you can't force me to have to spend my money indefinitely for your sake, then what's the solution you have in mind?

>>715527231
I wish

>>715527141
inb4 they learn how to compress games properly and games go back to being 600mbs

>>715526905
>the limited duration right to access a service
Where is this stated
no, the word "license" does not immediately translate to "limited duration" or "service".
No, individual game EULAs don't count either, you were talking about Steam as a whole.

>>715526982
sure it is. You can still play a game with an offline mode that you pirated.
You cannot play an online service game once they end server support and nobody has made a server emulator for it.

is there private servers for wildstar?

I'm not aware of any so that MMO remains dead and unplayable. Not even piracy is an option, valid or not.

>>715527231
yes because we didn't learned how import games from the rest of the world 30 years ago

>>715526905
It's not piracy if the product is no longer being offered.
And if you say it's a service, then you can't pirate a service.

>>715526905
>>I will garner support for my movement by being an autistic faggot
nigger :)

>>715527141
cool so if I want to shut down my business, I have to pay to host forever? and you think this is a valid, perfectly fine solution that legislators will see and think 'yeah indefinite indentured servitude is totally the answer'
>>715527195
it is in fact still piracy, the owner of the game's ip still owns the rights to the product and still owns the right to the distribution of any of its files
>>715527316
>Where is this stated
in the laws of every relevant country
since we're talking about the eu, look at this
https://interoperable-europe.ec.europa.eu/collection/eupl/licences-complementary-agreements#:~:text=In%20Europe%2C%20the%20licence%20is,you%20are%20violating%20copyright%20law.

>>715527231
>OY VEY

>>715527324
>sure it is.
sure man, go talk to lawmakers and when they ask you about problems in your initiative just say "don't worry about it, I'll just commit crimes!" and see if they approve your request

>>715527464
>cool so if I want to shut down my business, I have to pay to host forever?
you pay for a few months and tell people you'll stop hosting it and then let it proliferate through torrents
how fucking stupid are you

>>715526585
>Overwatch will go down, and people who bought the game should still have the right to play it on LAN or on community servers
OW1 already no longer exists.
Furthermore, as is the case with any other continually updated game, the developers may make changes that result in the game's meta being worse than before, and players may have quit the game over that. If you want to make a serious argument about preservation, the publisher would have to preserve every version of the game that has ever existed, or else someone's still going to be unhappy.

>>715527020
>we should be able to scam you and take away thing you bought because... uh...... government bad!! communism bad!!

Good gatcha devs are enemy of christ

Also you are wrong, they have the option to let players host it all locally

>>715527464
>blah blah blah
The EU will host it

>>715527408
>I have no actual rebuttal
concession accepted
>>715527382
>It's not piracy if the product is no longer being offered.
yes, it still is, which is why Ninty was able to take down all those websites hosting games they don't sell anymore
>>715527538
>piracy is the answer
yet again, not an argument

>>715527020
You can. But you have to be upfront about what that service entails, and not conflate your product with other products that offer perpetual licenses.
Writing that you can end service whenever you want in tiny font in a 200000 word EULA is predatory.
If you're selling a service, you should have to say up-front that it's a limited license with a stipulated hard end date in big bold letters right on the front page.

>>715527089
I remember seeing it being demo'ed at E3 ages ago and they talked about it being online on servers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IdVoEDK3BA
I mean the moment you talk about multiplayer and players interacting with each other online, there's a service component to the game.

>>715527598
torrents aren't inherently piracy retard
also what fucking piracy when you're no longer fucking selling it?

>>715527243
>you don't purchase a game after it's no longer for sale
Agree.
>you do buy the game when it's running,
No, you buy a game while it is for sale. If studios decide it is no longer for sale while they are no longer hosting servers for it, that's a different matter.
>this movement is an end of life plan requirement
Yes. When you sell a game, you have to have a plan for making it functional after you stop hosting servers for it, if hosting servers for it makes it functional.
That typically means you either make it playable offline, or you make it possible for owners of the game to host their own servers and play with other owners.

This isn't complex and the funniest thing is by pretending it is difficult so you can be a contrarian shill, you actually just like a retard that understands nothing.

>if you have to host the files for people to download them
You don't.
>then what's the solution you have in mind?
I already told you this. If the end of life plan is that owners will be able to host their own servers, then you put the server binaries in the game files. Then anyone who has a copy of the game has the binaries. This is not something you have to do indefinitely, owners will already have them.
If there should be some point at which the data is released to the owners, then like literally all laws, a reasonable notice period would be sufficient and anyone who misses out misses out- or just gets the data peer-to-peer.

Smarter minds than yours have given this all of 5 seconds thought and overcome the ridiculous issues you're clutching at

>>715527243
It is still is, only distribution isn’t. But nothing forbids you to host in some 3rd world shithole that doesnt have the laws lol

>>715527598
i don't need to offer rebutall to a corpo nigger rat :)
fuck off and die corpo scum :)

>>715527652
That's you assuming bullshit. Multiplayer in no way implies a service component.
Quake wasn't a service game.

>>715527316
have you never heard of software licenses for things like autoCAD, solidworks, SAP and so on? those are limited duration software licenses and you don't retain access to the product once they expire

>>715527528
the initial complaint was that they'll eventually delist a game from storefronts after it goes into offline mode.
so you still wouldn't be able to play it
it'll pop up elsewhere and still be playable

vs a live service game that ends service and is just dead.
doesn't matter if you have physical media for it or anything, it's just dead because you have no server to connect to.

>>715527464
>cool so if I want to shut down my business, I have to pay to host forever?
>>715526414

>>715527606
>demand all kinds of silly technicalities
>rage when it's presented in the best possible form: a document
>WAAAAH I'M NOT READING THAT

>>715527795
The duration is specified up front

>>715527652
E3 trailers are always full of shit and games during active development are always at risk of change for obvious reasons
show me where in the shop it was said that The Crew was only accessible for a time
also no, plenty of games that 1) are solo but also have a multiplayer mode (and are not service either) 2)are not service games despite being always online

>>715527554
>we should be able to scam you and take away thing you bought
Shit I guess the next time fighting game devs nerf a DLC character I paid for I should just take them to court

>>715527795
where does steam specify the limited duration

>>715527547
In an ideal world all previous versions of the game would be avaiable, sure. But realistically it will be an improvement if at least the game is left in a playable state when support is dropped.

>private wow servers is a thing
>But gatcha dev won't be able to figure it out

>>715527906
Ah yes anon, very rational. Changes to gameplay are very comparable to completely bricking someone's copy of a game. I applaud you.

>>715527756
>:)
this is how I know you're seething
>>715527741
>It is still is
no, it's not, it's just not prosecuted as widely, this doesn't make it legal
https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/sites/default/files/assets/eurojust-copyright-piracy-report.pdf
>>715527819
the only places it'll 'pop up elsewhere' are illegal solutions, which isn't a strong argument for allowing the legislation to pass
for a law abiding consumer (the ones the legislators care about), the end result is the same, your initiative needs to be able to answer this question if you want it to go anywhere

>>715527848
That's the beauty of the EU, I don't need to read the eula

>>715527906
DLC characters in fighting games should be made illegal, actually.

>>715527483
Look up agenda 2030. The europeans are all about degrowth, mass immigration and not owning anything.

>>715527795
And thus they aren’t “perpetual”. Steam and every other vidya distributor sells perpetual licenses anon

>>715527795
Those have an expiration date built in. They work until you have to re-up. They have nothing in common with 1-time purchase games. WOW for example falls outside the purview of SKG because it has a subscription service where you pay for an exact amount of time.
Also, all those probably have previous versions which were lifetime purchases before they went subscription based.

>>715527953
Then devs are just going to release a patch that ruins the game right before ending support. Wouldn't be anything new.

>>715528006
Just have the eu host a server

>>715527902
yes, yes they are.

Can you play Smash Bros Wii U online against other people right now? No. because Nintendo ended online service for the entire console, all those online components were services and no longer function.

>>715528083
Malicious compliance isn't exactly looked upon favorably by the law. If you want to be a fag about this shit, you don't have to post here.

>>715527848
The problem is it's not presented, though.
"We reserve the right to make your game a paperweight whenever we want" isn't a stipulated hard end date.

>>715528006
I'm saying as a customer, I'd prefer them make an offline version, even if it eventually gets delisted and I have to find it on a pirate site.. than leaving it as a live service game and there is NO possibility to ever play it again.

>>715527906
based
>>715528007
>I love the big daddy EU because I'm a big baby

>>715528017
>confusing some richfag's WEF agenda with the actual wants and needs of your average EU citizen
You're a fucking retard.